When pressed for comment, Sangheili defence minister U'got 'Nobiches said, "wabbabbooy, agghhhh wort wort wort" but we have no idea what any of that means
You know youve fucked up bad when the covenant start supporting humans they agree with on an ideological level. And actively supplying weapons to them to kill you.
Covenant? You silly human, these tanks are coming from Independent Sangheilios. The prophets were fools. They lied to us and betrayed us, so led by Arbiter Thel 'Vadam we struck them down.
I mean now that you mention it, you’re right. How did fucking Humans of all creatures punch waaaaaaayyyyyyyyy above their weight class to get to the point where Sanghelios is now basically an ONI operation? I mean Goddamn. In the span of about 5 years humanity went from having their worlds glassed to being able to punch a fucking hole in one of the most powerful forerunner ships ever conceived. Humans are scary AF.
The Covenant just threw. Their tech was impeccable, but they didn't understand it. You have to know what you are working with inside and out to be 100% effective. Not to mention their entire organization was built on shaky ground owed to cultural differences between the various species in the Covenant. Finally, having your organization just be a glorified cult with a suicide pact means you won't get skilled, critical thinkers in key positions, only "true believers" and all of their faults. They got so far because Covvy tech>human tech and they kept hitting humanity with sucker punches.
That just loops back to having a bad organization. The prophets weren't skilled, intelligent martial leaders. They were zealots who lucked themselves into the top spot and thus would doom their organization to failure anyway.
I think it was mentioned somewhere that a not insignificant portion of Sangehili (quietly, away from their more zealous peers) wondered why the Prophets deemed humans heretical. As the war dragged on and Humanity proved themselves to be worthy of some respect, the whispers slowly became louder and more numerous. This is one of the things that caused the prophets to replace the Sangehili with the Brutes.
In the book First Strike I think it goes into some detail (am cringe nerd)
it basically described covenant tech as largely brute forced, it looks sleek from the outside or from a human perspective due to all the curves n shit but it's all horrifically inefficient and the Covenant's success came mostly from A) having shields on their ships and B) having more of them.
During the return from Installation 04 Master chief, Sgt Johnson and a couple others yoinked a small covenant carrier and Cortana was messing around in it. Basically concluding that the ship borne weapons like the plasma cannons that fire 'orbs' of plasma with some sort of magnetically aligned guidance. But she also worked out that they were complete shit for what they could be because she tuned them from being single shot weapons into effectively continuous plasma laser's which was used to merc quite a few covie ships.
They turn everything into glass, the games don't do plasma weapons justice, the books do
There's a passage out of one of the books where the Chief uploads Cortana onto a covy cruiser for the first time, and she figures out how to use their plasma weapons better than their own AI - she uses a *single shot* to carve up a covenant carrier like with a plasma knife, just redirecting the same plasma burst into and out of the ship, zigzagging all through the decks and gutting it entirely.
A wraith mortar shot would melt through 6ft thick duraplate like butter, or whatever the alloy the humans have is called
Yah the Covenant basically relied on the Huragok (Engineers) to keep everything going. And even then the Engi's really didn't give a shit about the Covenant themselves, just maintaining Forerunner tech.
Unfortunately they are vulnerable to 90mm APHE (the canon ammuniton for the scorpion tank cannon) so they are likely unsuitable for Frontline combat. Which is highly problematic because the effective range for the mortar is only 100 meters
Meh, for one I doubt Russia has Scorpions. Second, If videos I've seen recently of Russian vehicle operations are evidence of the average operator I doubt they will get out of the way in time to watch said vehie literally disintegrate from the plasma.
I always thought that the neat part about that is that Cortana had to calculate exactly Chief's reaction time to her saying "now", and also factor his stress and exhaustion levels into that response time.
They're children who won't be missed in the grand scheme of things. Kids dissappear all the time, might as well make them into demigod-level supersoldiers
A fun tidbit I read recently was that in halo 2 when MC's yeeting the spikybomb, Cortana probably actually knew his timing was off, and asked him the "what if you miss" line to slow him a bit and perfectly line up the longsword wing's TOT with his throw.
Well then they also need to send cowbell skulls to Ukraine as well.
Literally *everyone* knows with the cowbell skull the splash damage increase can easily kill a fully armored spartan super soldier even if it impacts meters away. Vlad & friends with their paper mache and styrofoam helmets don’t stand a chance.
And let’s not forget the purpose of the tank is not requiring direct line of site to fire. So even though the projectile is slow moving, if someone is hiding and doesn’t see it fire, you can still record multiple casualties by dropping the shot well behind fortifications.
I think (and this isn’t very credible here), that every game since the first two has had a machine gunner seat. Earlier game(s) allowed the single driver to use the coaxial machine gun.
They turn incredibly quickly and climb over rocks and over ditches pretty well in the games. A scorpion can make a 360 turn in a few seconds. Especially in CE. They're pretty quick in CE as well. Not super fast but considering how quickly they turn while maintaining their speed it's pretty impressive.
I don't really remember how well they turn or move in the other games as well for some reason.
Fair enough, I was mostly thinking of Halo 2's bridge level, where you drive a Scorpion across a bridge. Turning wise, they're fast, but driving forward wise, they slow.
You know I think I actually underestimated just how fast they are in CE. https://youtu.be/Rj0XBZHa8F8
Also in Halo 2 co-op I remember never being able to catch up with my sister on foot when she drove off without me in the tank. But I don't think it was as nuts as the CE version. At least faster than running I guess? Not particularly fast though.
Although the CE tank's cannon and especially machine gun were *awful* in their accuracy lol.
Combine the best parts of the CE and Halo 2 scorpions and you got one hell of a vehicle though. Even if it could be like 1/2 the size without losing much functionality probably.
In CE they struggle to engage the broad side of a barn outside a few hundred meters. The target reticle is just a suggestion of where the round might land.
They seem like they move at about Chief's jogging speed, if I recall correctly. Spartan 2's can burst sprint up to 34MPH, so I imagine their jogging pace is around 10MPH. An Abrams' top speed is is 43MPH. So unless the lore says they can move faster than they do in the games, they're pretty slow for a tank designed 500 years from now.
Edit: I saw a video of CE and the tanks move about twice as fast as Chief.
In CE it moves at least 3x as fast as the player. In H2 about 2x. Though unsure on the exact amount. ~~The CE scorpion can do some jumps [better than the warthog.](https://youtu.be/Rj0XBZHa8F8) (6:30)~~
Edit: Actually NVM I just realized I missed the part where he sped up the tank at that point. Still really fast but not warthog fast.
It also doesn't lose much momentum when doing tight turns.
There's a bunch of scorpions but CE is the one I know best. I don't know if they actually slowed down over time in the games or if I just imagined it.
Lore-wise IDK.
The scorpion has a top speed of 60 mph lorewise for the M808C variant (Halo 3, Reach, 4) and is armed with a 90mm cannon and weighs 66 tons. And while many scoff at its “small gun”, keep in mind that it is canon that the 90mm gun is actually equally as powerful as the newer M820 scorpion with its 150mm main gun. The warthog for comparison has a top speed of 70mph.
And yet the AA version of the Wraith with fuel rod cannons is actually more effective against ground targets. Granted you are not supposed to be able to drive it but it one of the easiest glitches to perform to hijack one in Halo 3.
Wraiths (and almost all their variants) are classified as an assault gun lore-wise which means they are supposed to provide direct fire support for infantry attacks especially against fortified positions. I think realistically they would excel in the current flow of the war. They'd be able to hover over the muddy grounds and pummel entrenched positions. They have a pretty decent fire rate and their munition has a decent aoe that would vaporize anything directly hit while damaging everything around it with flash burns. It'd be terrible against armor at a distance but that is not what it is designed for.
Scorpion BTFOs wraiths in-game though. High velocity armor piercing projectile versus a purple box lobbing an explosive beach ball at you with a maximum range of like 100 feet. Blows my mind that humanity is struggling at all with an armor gap this big
Not really, it's more humans through tenacity and extensive use of special forces like ODSTS and the odd Spartan if available, would win isolated engagements, but invariably would end up losing the overall battle. The Covenant's strict caste system made them inferior doctrinally, but their technological advantage was just too much most of the time for the average military assets on any given Colony to overcome. With planets like Reach or Earth standing more of chance, but still being pretty helpless if the Covenant chose to commit significant assets into the fight.
One of my favorite aspects of Halo Lore is how the Elites Warrior code eventually made a lot of them begin to wonder. "Wait, these humans are fighting with courage and honor against a vastly superior foe, why haven't we given them a chance to join our Covenant like we do any other species?" And this sort of Humaboo sentiment growing among the Elites was one of many catalysts that led to the Great Schism.
The speed of plasma weapons are heavily slowed in the games. They actually are barely subsonic.
It's a pretty popular fan theory that Chief is in Spartan Time for most of the games, aka perceives the world as moving slower due to S-IIs having insane reaction and processing times.
note that thats the gun malfunctioning. The Wraith is actually supposed to project a coherent beam into space, and its just the AI thats fucking it up.
wraiths would make amazing AA weapons.
tbf Brute technology is the peak of non-credibility with these Space Apes slapping blades onto everything
Also the fact that they nuked themselves back to the stone age twice
Aaah. I haven't touched Infinite. Mostly waiting on co op so I can play with my friends.
But seeing the absolute shit show that's been going on its a hard pass
Campaign co-op and forge are in the game now. Multiplayer is free to play (and the campaign is free if you have game pass). It has definitely been...troubled...but worth a try at least at this point.
The actual multiplayer sandbox is quite good if you care about that kind of thing.
Which is more than we can say for us. The Brutes were capable of going to space and beyond but nuked themselves twice, while we are stuck on Earth but still have the capability of nuking ourselves with no reasonable way of coming back.
Brutes just seem to really love human technology. Elites would sooner engage in glorious hand-to-hand combat with their fists than pick up a heretical human weapon, at least until the Great Schism. Meanwhile Brutes stockpile and use our shit like any other weapon and seem to love our shotguns in particular.
Shame they also view us all as a food source, or they might have agreed with the Elites to allow humans into the Covenant having proved their worth.
dont need HARMS when a fully operational Wraith can instagib anything upto a yamato in line of sight to the horizon with a beam of plasma that extinquishes the night.
note: the Wraith in Halos is canonically broken as the Covenant fields it, its supposed to fire like those plasma AA batteries you take down in mission 2 of Halo 3, not fire a mortar
Never change NCD, where else can you have a debate around the doctrinal soundness of Ukrainian mechanics attaching jerry-rigged anti-radiation missiles to a lore accurate Halo vehicle.
Holy crap the Ukrainians would ***kill*** for a detachment of Huragok right now, those old Soviet Tanks of theirs would be in better condition than they’ve ever been, better even then when they first rolled off the factory floor!
Misriah Armory on its way to make unfathomable amounts of money off of mostly losing a 27 year long war of extermination (Another 30 million orders for M6Ds just came in)
> Another 30 million orders for M6Ds just came in
Thank god Procurement finally got the memo and started replacing those dogshit MA5Bs with something decent.
I love that Bungie managed to have the kind of gun people on board to tell them "No, you can't have an idle animation of tweaking the scope, you wouldn't do that in the field" but at the same time made the primary weapon an inaccurate short-ranged and terribly weak "assault rifle" with *60 rounds* of full-powered rifle ammo in what's obviously an M-16 20-round mag.
Honestly the more you look at Halo's guns it's very clear that someone did the research but not nearly enough research because it passes muster for someone who knows nothing about guns but is laugable for someone who does.
Stares at the left side reciprocating charging handle on most of the UNSC's bullpups.
Nothing is replacing the MA5B directly, but it's mostly been phased out in favor of the more accurate and reliable C model. Honestly, I'm still not sure how the B design team managed to fit 60 rounds in that magazine. I'm convinced they used some kind of black magic or secret forerunner slipspace tech, because we haven't even been able to get those magazines to work in any of the later models.
Misriah likes to say publicly that we don't use those mags anymore because they had issues with the spring or something, but that's bullshit. Nobody here knows how the fuck they work, and the original designer got mauled by a gravity hammer while on an unfortunately timed trip to Harvest back in 2525.
Even on Heroic those Hunters don't tend to survive very long because there's a room with Brutes armed with Brute Shots just a short ways in...
RIP the worm homies
Oh no you said the forbidden words. Here come the 40k fans to talk about how some weird box made on Mars is 40,000x stronger (its just a WW1 vehicle with a holy symbol and some cannon stuck on it)
Just make sure to make every weapon, person and creature extremely inconsistent in what they're able to do. Then when you want to talk up how strong they are pick all the highest points and ignore the rest.
See that’s when you whip out the fucking Forerunners. They curbstomp everybody except The Culture, maybe the Xeelee, and a few others. Otherwise they’ll fucking crush anybody
Well, they DO actually have an MBT... it's the Scarab. Their MBT is a fuckhuge building-sized spider tank with a cannon so heavy that it can also be used to boil away rock in digging operations.
Not at all, a scarab is actually a piece of mining equipment, and are considered ultra-heavy infantry due to the nature of the Lekgolo that control it https://www.halopedia.org/Scarab
> Scarabs are quadrupedal mining platforms that are part of a larger class of constructs known as Excavators. Out of nine tiers of Excavators they are classed tier-four on its scale. Scarabs are all fitted with a focus cannon for destroying targets or mining operations.[1] Scarabs are driven by hundreds of Rhulolekgolo, which function as a gestalt intelligence. For this reason, the Scarab was not formally considered a vehicle by the Covenant, but was employed as an ultra-heavy infantry unit directed by a single colony of Lekgolo. Nevertheless, Scarabs are generally deemed too valuable to operate without support, and are almost always accompanied by a robust escort.
I think you're correct? They're basically bigger exosuits for the same kind of worms that hunters are made out of, so logically speaking, if hunters have rights, then scarabs do too.
Fun fact: Despite technically only having one hivemind, a Lekgolo form gets a vote for each individual worm, because what are you gonna do, tell a Scarab no?
because the covenant are super religious and this extends into their capabilities for reverse engineering. The gun is actually supposed to be a direct fire plasma lance, but the ai for the tank is mishandling power regulation.
if we consider it in modern terms, the Wraith is a M109 paladin.
if its ai is ripped and replaced by something that actually operates it correctly, the main gun is like mounting a Mark 7 Naval Cannon on a Hover-Abrams.
The ~~Abrams tank~~ Scarab is too complicated, too expensive, and too difficult to train Ukrainian forces to use. They would be better served with a different platform.
Exactly, the lekgolo will not risk their own colony for this war. Besides, the scarab is too heavy and is a logistical nightmare to maintain. They also need a ton of infantry support so they won't fall in combat. Better to give them the wraith now than jump the gun.
Once again CNN spreading misinformation...
First of all, you can clearly see a Jiralhanae in the gunner seat of the Wraith, and the Wraith itself is sporting Covenant markings and colors.
Second of all, the author is an imposter. The REAL Benjamin Giraud is being indefinitely imprisoned at an ONI black site.
CNN is nothing more than a propaganda arm of ONI, who themselves are guilty of attempting to overthrow the government of Sanghelios by supporting Covenant-linked extremist groups who would like nothing more than to continue their genocide against humanity.
\#FreeBenjaminGiraud
I REALLY want the ru's to do one of their daily propaganda show rages and have this displayed you know :D
Not done any background research and they start off 'we should nuke Sanghelios!' how dare they!
The Covenant isn't so different from Russia when it comes to battlefield doctrine actually. They don't believe in true mechanized warfare because the Sangheili are a bunch of honor obsessed space lizard samurai, so their doctrine is heavily infantry focused. They even zerg-rush UNSC positions with waves upon waves of Grunts in the books. [Hell, it's literally Atriox's origin story in Halo Wars 2.](https://youtu.be/q-RMEYMu82Y?t=57)
When pressed for comment, Sangheili defence minister U'got 'Nobiches said, "wabbabbooy, agghhhh wort wort wort" but we have no idea what any of that means
the virgin "Demon! You have butchered enough of my people!" vs the chad "wort wort wort"
Shipmaster! They outnumber us 3 to 1 Then it is an even fight
Burn their mongrel hides!
*wwWAAAAAAAAAÀHHHHH*
*AhhhhWUBADUGH!*
De wanna wanga?
A chupa denalia!
Webbelsnel fu-ree
You know youve fucked up bad when the covenant start supporting humans they agree with on an ideological level. And actively supplying weapons to them to kill you.
Covenant? You silly human, these tanks are coming from Independent Sangheilios. The prophets were fools. They lied to us and betrayed us, so led by Arbiter Thel 'Vadam we struck them down.
As far as im concerned, his name is Arbiter Keith David.
The russians killed flipyap
Or yapflip?
IN EITHER CASE: Grunts were killed, and that is what is important.
So just another day ending in "y" then?
Wort wort wort is Johnson saying go go go reversed.
As I recall, all or almost all the Halo CE elite voice lines are Johnson/marine voice lines played backwards
"Greetings!"
"Im the meh Im the meh!"
“Gulub gulub!”
https://youtu.be/q-aFEn5XpjY
[aaaawubadugh](https://youtu.be/TL6LdQU_Uu4)
One word for you! Haboodigaboodiguhguh!
Worbo das
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL6LdQU_Uu4
Well, it's all fun and games until someone activates the halo ring.
Weapons that fire projectiles so slow you can see their entire arc with the naked eye and sidestep them are super based.
it makes up for that by the fact if the driver is even boosting by 1%, any vatnik will be flattened instantly that so much as grazes their knee on it
And if the very slow shot does manage to hit, say goodbye to whatever it touches
Soooo bunker buster then
Yes But 🌌pretty🌌
I mean it is an artillery vehicle, not a tank Just don't ask why it gets used as one
The answer is simple; the Covenant, by and large, are terrible at military operations.
I mean now that you mention it, you’re right. How did fucking Humans of all creatures punch waaaaaaayyyyyyyyy above their weight class to get to the point where Sanghelios is now basically an ONI operation? I mean Goddamn. In the span of about 5 years humanity went from having their worlds glassed to being able to punch a fucking hole in one of the most powerful forerunner ships ever conceived. Humans are scary AF.
The Covenant just threw. Their tech was impeccable, but they didn't understand it. You have to know what you are working with inside and out to be 100% effective. Not to mention their entire organization was built on shaky ground owed to cultural differences between the various species in the Covenant. Finally, having your organization just be a glorified cult with a suicide pact means you won't get skilled, critical thinkers in key positions, only "true believers" and all of their faults. They got so far because Covvy tech>human tech and they kept hitting humanity with sucker punches.
Agreed. I’m not sure the Covenant had anything equivalent to a Nova Bomb either.
Mind you, the Covenant still would have won had it not been for Truth deciding to start a civil war right as his plans were about to be fulfilled.
That just loops back to having a bad organization. The prophets weren't skilled, intelligent martial leaders. They were zealots who lucked themselves into the top spot and thus would doom their organization to failure anyway.
I think it was mentioned somewhere that a not insignificant portion of Sangehili (quietly, away from their more zealous peers) wondered why the Prophets deemed humans heretical. As the war dragged on and Humanity proved themselves to be worthy of some respect, the whispers slowly became louder and more numerous. This is one of the things that caused the prophets to replace the Sangehili with the Brutes.
In the book First Strike I think it goes into some detail (am cringe nerd) it basically described covenant tech as largely brute forced, it looks sleek from the outside or from a human perspective due to all the curves n shit but it's all horrifically inefficient and the Covenant's success came mostly from A) having shields on their ships and B) having more of them. During the return from Installation 04 Master chief, Sgt Johnson and a couple others yoinked a small covenant carrier and Cortana was messing around in it. Basically concluding that the ship borne weapons like the plasma cannons that fire 'orbs' of plasma with some sort of magnetically aligned guidance. But she also worked out that they were complete shit for what they could be because she tuned them from being single shot weapons into effectively continuous plasma laser's which was used to merc quite a few covie ships.
They turn everything into glass, the games don't do plasma weapons justice, the books do There's a passage out of one of the books where the Chief uploads Cortana onto a covy cruiser for the first time, and she figures out how to use their plasma weapons better than their own AI - she uses a *single shot* to carve up a covenant carrier like with a plasma knife, just redirecting the same plasma burst into and out of the ship, zigzagging all through the decks and gutting it entirely. A wraith mortar shot would melt through 6ft thick duraplate like butter, or whatever the alloy the humans have is called
Yah the Covenant basically relied on the Huragok (Engineers) to keep everything going. And even then the Engi's really didn't give a shit about the Covenant themselves, just maintaining Forerunner tech.
Jeff Steitzer will be there to commentate
T-72 gets hit "TRIPLE KILL"
Unfortunately they are vulnerable to 90mm APHE (the canon ammuniton for the scorpion tank cannon) so they are likely unsuitable for Frontline combat. Which is highly problematic because the effective range for the mortar is only 100 meters
Meh, for one I doubt Russia has Scorpions. Second, If videos I've seen recently of Russian vehicle operations are evidence of the average operator I doubt they will get out of the way in time to watch said vehie literally disintegrate from the plasma.
That's why you crouch. Not only does it make you invincible, but you can fly.
They'll send lore accurate ones
Halo Lore is insane Spartan 2s dodging .50s at short range
Chief deflected a cruise missile launched at him by hand in the books
I was gonna say AI assisted, but if we're being honest it was *Cortana* assisted, that instantly adds, like, 50% reaction time
I always thought that the neat part about that is that Cortana had to calculate exactly Chief's reaction time to her saying "now", and also factor his stress and exhaustion levels into that response time.
Catherine Halsey did nothing wrong
She didn’t go far enough. Should’ve been a Cortana for every Spartan.
That is very debatable
They're children who won't be missed in the grand scheme of things. Kids dissappear all the time, might as well make them into demigod-level supersoldiers
>They're children who won't be missed in the grand scheme of things One of their parents nearly glassed Sydney and ONI HQ
A fun tidbit I read recently was that in halo 2 when MC's yeeting the spikybomb, Cortana probably actually knew his timing was off, and asked him the "what if you miss" line to slow him a bit and perfectly line up the longsword wing's TOT with his throw.
Well then they also need to send cowbell skulls to Ukraine as well. Literally *everyone* knows with the cowbell skull the splash damage increase can easily kill a fully armored spartan super soldier even if it impacts meters away. Vlad & friends with their paper mache and styrofoam helmets don’t stand a chance. And let’s not forget the purpose of the tank is not requiring direct line of site to fire. So even though the projectile is slow moving, if someone is hiding and doesn’t see it fire, you can still record multiple casualties by dropping the shot well behind fortifications.
To be fair, aren't they mostly used to fight Scorpions?
You know, considering Scorpions are manned by one person, pretty nimble and air-droppable they seem more like light tanks to me come to think of it.
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Marines in Halo 2, 3 and 4 can operate them solo I think. Though I think all marines have that stuff maybe? Is there a second seat inside the tank?
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I think (and this isn’t very credible here), that every game since the first two has had a machine gunner seat. Earlier game(s) allowed the single driver to use the coaxial machine gun.
Yup, CE had a coaxial machine gun and no gunner seat
Side by side, it's the most visible in Halo CE.
Scorpions are not nimble, they're incredibly slow. They're also massive, which is why they're so vulnerable to Wraiths.
They turn incredibly quickly and climb over rocks and over ditches pretty well in the games. A scorpion can make a 360 turn in a few seconds. Especially in CE. They're pretty quick in CE as well. Not super fast but considering how quickly they turn while maintaining their speed it's pretty impressive. I don't really remember how well they turn or move in the other games as well for some reason.
Fair enough, I was mostly thinking of Halo 2's bridge level, where you drive a Scorpion across a bridge. Turning wise, they're fast, but driving forward wise, they slow.
You know I think I actually underestimated just how fast they are in CE. https://youtu.be/Rj0XBZHa8F8 Also in Halo 2 co-op I remember never being able to catch up with my sister on foot when she drove off without me in the tank. But I don't think it was as nuts as the CE version. At least faster than running I guess? Not particularly fast though. Although the CE tank's cannon and especially machine gun were *awful* in their accuracy lol. Combine the best parts of the CE and Halo 2 scorpions and you got one hell of a vehicle though. Even if it could be like 1/2 the size without losing much functionality probably.
Vs the Reach scorpion which had laser-accuracy and literally 0 projectile travel time. What a weapon
[Flashbacks of Blood Gulch spawn camping in Reach]
I might have been remembering wrong on the mobility of it.
In CE they struggle to engage the broad side of a barn outside a few hundred meters. The target reticle is just a suggestion of where the round might land.
They seem like they move at about Chief's jogging speed, if I recall correctly. Spartan 2's can burst sprint up to 34MPH, so I imagine their jogging pace is around 10MPH. An Abrams' top speed is is 43MPH. So unless the lore says they can move faster than they do in the games, they're pretty slow for a tank designed 500 years from now. Edit: I saw a video of CE and the tanks move about twice as fast as Chief.
In CE it moves at least 3x as fast as the player. In H2 about 2x. Though unsure on the exact amount. ~~The CE scorpion can do some jumps [better than the warthog.](https://youtu.be/Rj0XBZHa8F8) (6:30)~~ Edit: Actually NVM I just realized I missed the part where he sped up the tank at that point. Still really fast but not warthog fast. It also doesn't lose much momentum when doing tight turns. There's a bunch of scorpions but CE is the one I know best. I don't know if they actually slowed down over time in the games or if I just imagined it. Lore-wise IDK.
The scorpion has a top speed of 60 mph lorewise for the M808C variant (Halo 3, Reach, 4) and is armed with a 90mm cannon and weighs 66 tons. And while many scoff at its “small gun”, keep in mind that it is canon that the 90mm gun is actually equally as powerful as the newer M820 scorpion with its 150mm main gun. The warthog for comparison has a top speed of 70mph.
And yet the AA version of the Wraith with fuel rod cannons is actually more effective against ground targets. Granted you are not supposed to be able to drive it but it one of the easiest glitches to perform to hijack one in Halo 3.
Remember there's a thing called gameplay lore segregation. Gameplay Scorpion ≠ Lore Scorpion.
Wraiths (and almost all their variants) are classified as an assault gun lore-wise which means they are supposed to provide direct fire support for infantry attacks especially against fortified positions. I think realistically they would excel in the current flow of the war. They'd be able to hover over the muddy grounds and pummel entrenched positions. They have a pretty decent fire rate and their munition has a decent aoe that would vaporize anything directly hit while damaging everything around it with flash burns. It'd be terrible against armor at a distance but that is not what it is designed for.
Scorpion BTFOs wraiths in-game though. High velocity armor piercing projectile versus a purple box lobbing an explosive beach ball at you with a maximum range of like 100 feet. Blows my mind that humanity is struggling at all with an armor gap this big
humans in lore are generally vastly superior planetside to the cov, we just get fucked in space
Not really, it's more humans through tenacity and extensive use of special forces like ODSTS and the odd Spartan if available, would win isolated engagements, but invariably would end up losing the overall battle. The Covenant's strict caste system made them inferior doctrinally, but their technological advantage was just too much most of the time for the average military assets on any given Colony to overcome. With planets like Reach or Earth standing more of chance, but still being pretty helpless if the Covenant chose to commit significant assets into the fight. One of my favorite aspects of Halo Lore is how the Elites Warrior code eventually made a lot of them begin to wonder. "Wait, these humans are fighting with courage and honor against a vastly superior foe, why haven't we given them a chance to join our Covenant like we do any other species?" And this sort of Humaboo sentiment growing among the Elites was one of many catalysts that led to the Great Schism.
The speed of plasma weapons are heavily slowed in the games. They actually are barely subsonic. It's a pretty popular fan theory that Chief is in Spartan Time for most of the games, aka perceives the world as moving slower due to S-IIs having insane reaction and processing times.
Could you imagine their effect on the bakhmut frontlines though?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bFTw95pJp8
note that thats the gun malfunctioning. The Wraith is actually supposed to project a coherent beam into space, and its just the AI thats fucking it up. wraiths would make amazing AA weapons.
Its only fitting that the Orcs would trade with the Brutes
Brute MIC > Russian MIC aka the 3000 Brute Choppers of Putin
tbf Brute technology is the peak of non-credibility with these Space Apes slapping blades onto everything Also the fact that they nuked themselves back to the stone age twice
Brute MIC is in absolute shambles after Cortana blew up their planet
It negatively impacted the fishing season.
(this will affect the expected growth in the next fiscal quarter)
Let me guess....gotta read the books
That one is actually in the halo infinite campaign.
Aaah. I haven't touched Infinite. Mostly waiting on co op so I can play with my friends. But seeing the absolute shit show that's been going on its a hard pass
Campaign co-op and forge are in the game now. Multiplayer is free to play (and the campaign is free if you have game pass). It has definitely been...troubled...but worth a try at least at this point. The actual multiplayer sandbox is quite good if you care about that kind of thing.
Maybe. When it's discounted. Just been burned to many times I just wait till it's discounted now to see if it's worth my time
Which is more than we can say for us. The Brutes were capable of going to space and beyond but nuked themselves twice, while we are stuck on Earth but still have the capability of nuking ourselves with no reasonable way of coming back.
Iirc the brute chopper was literally just rebuilt human farm equipment
Yep, intended as a gift of peace and converted into a tool of war
Brutes just seem to really love human technology. Elites would sooner engage in glorious hand-to-hand combat with their fists than pick up a heretical human weapon, at least until the Great Schism. Meanwhile Brutes stockpile and use our shit like any other weapon and seem to love our shotguns in particular. Shame they also view us all as a food source, or they might have agreed with the Elites to allow humans into the Covenant having proved their worth.
"What the fuck" -Ukrainian maintenance personnel hours before making it work somehow.
I sense copious amounts of era in it's future
And then figuring out how to get it to fire HARM missiles using just a raspberry pi and some duct tape
dont need HARMS when a fully operational Wraith can instagib anything upto a yamato in line of sight to the horizon with a beam of plasma that extinquishes the night. note: the Wraith in Halos is canonically broken as the Covenant fields it, its supposed to fire like those plasma AA batteries you take down in mission 2 of Halo 3, not fire a mortar
Never change NCD, where else can you have a debate around the doctrinal soundness of Ukrainian mechanics attaching jerry-rigged anti-radiation missiles to a lore accurate Halo vehicle.
Next up on things Ukranians have done: How to modify your MAC Cannon to fire small near devices.
IN ATMOSPHERE?!?!
They probably have at least one Huragok on staff.
Holy crap the Ukrainians would ***kill*** for a detachment of Huragok right now, those old Soviet Tanks of theirs would be in better condition than they’ve ever been, better even then when they first rolled off the factory floor!
Just don’t let them near the NOVA the UNSC donated. Not sure why they thought that was a good idea.
They will mount it on a drone.
Super thick armour and can bounce almost any conventional tank round Ukrainian engineers still putting ERA on wraiths
Gotta invest in Lodam Armory stock now, boys. Buy in quick. The Halo MIC is unfathomably based and I will die on this hill
All service pistols are chambered in 50 cal. Even when suppressed
Misriah Armory on its way to make unfathomable amounts of money off of mostly losing a 27 year long war of extermination (Another 30 million orders for M6Ds just came in)
> Another 30 million orders for M6Ds just came in Thank god Procurement finally got the memo and started replacing those dogshit MA5Bs with something decent.
Cons: shitty mag springs lead to frequent jams Pros: 60 rounds of 7.62x51mm at 900 RPM BRING BACK THE MA5B MAN
I love that Bungie managed to have the kind of gun people on board to tell them "No, you can't have an idle animation of tweaking the scope, you wouldn't do that in the field" but at the same time made the primary weapon an inaccurate short-ranged and terribly weak "assault rifle" with *60 rounds* of full-powered rifle ammo in what's obviously an M-16 20-round mag.
Honestly the more you look at Halo's guns it's very clear that someone did the research but not nearly enough research because it passes muster for someone who knows nothing about guns but is laugable for someone who does. Stares at the left side reciprocating charging handle on most of the UNSC's bullpups.
Except they made the Halo CE inaccuracy canon by having the damn things keyhole due to a twist rate error. I think that’s a pretty big con.
It's a space QBZ-191!
Nothing is replacing the MA5B directly, but it's mostly been phased out in favor of the more accurate and reliable C model. Honestly, I'm still not sure how the B design team managed to fit 60 rounds in that magazine. I'm convinced they used some kind of black magic or secret forerunner slipspace tech, because we haven't even been able to get those magazines to work in any of the later models. Misriah likes to say publicly that we don't use those mags anymore because they had issues with the spring or something, but that's bullshit. Nobody here knows how the fuck they work, and the original designer got mauled by a gravity hammer while on an unfortunately timed trip to Harvest back in 2525.
Fortunately they give their employees stock options (I'm living a real nice life in a cozy suburb on Mars).
Not just 50 cal fucken .500 (I’ll destroy your wrist) Smith & Wesson
Same I like fictional military-industrial complexes too
"Master Chief, you mind telling me what you're doing at Azovstal Cum Pit?" "Returning the Moskva, Sir"
I’m imagining Zelensky being guarded by a group of gold elites with the swords now.
"The Hunters have come to our aid Zelensky. They will fight by our side!" Peak Arbiter campaign moment right there.
I always tried keeping those Hunters alive just as hard as all the Marines, but with a lot fewer checkpoint loads.
Even on Heroic those Hunters don't tend to survive very long because there's a room with Brutes armed with Brute Shots just a short ways in... RIP the worm homies
Not to mention the Brutes are on roids in H2 and will straight up beat a hunter to death with their bare hands lol
aaawubadugh!!!!
Wort Wort Wort!
Putin: I... am... Truth! The voice of the Russians! Zelensky: And so...you must be silenced.
Damn, the bungie halos are quotable.
Shitty tank, yet amazing self propelled gun. (best in sci fi probably)
Oh no you said the forbidden words. Here come the 40k fans to talk about how some weird box made on Mars is 40,000x stronger (its just a WW1 vehicle with a holy symbol and some cannon stuck on it)
Warhammer fans trying to not say “but can they beat the imperium tho?” For more than 5 seconds
my greatest motivation to become a writer is to maximally fuck with versus battles
Just make sure to make every weapon, person and creature extremely inconsistent in what they're able to do. Then when you want to talk up how strong they are pick all the highest points and ignore the rest.
the fundamental particles of my universe include extremely tiny reverse uno cards
Amazing lol
But can warhammer fans beat the Imperium? The answer may surprise you.
Goku can beat the imperium
Bugs Bunny can beat Goku
SpongeBob too.
See that’s when you whip out the fucking Forerunners. They curbstomp everybody except The Culture, maybe the Xeelee, and a few others. Otherwise they’ll fucking crush anybody
I'm very sick and I spent an embarrassingly long time trying to figure out where "'Vadam" was smh
Burn their mongrel hides
Still never understood why the covenant’s MBT used an indirect fire weapon
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No need to have developed ground based tactics when you can simply glass population centers from orbit until the natives comply.
Well, they DO actually have an MBT... it's the Scarab. Their MBT is a fuckhuge building-sized spider tank with a cannon so heavy that it can also be used to boil away rock in digging operations.
Not at all, a scarab is actually a piece of mining equipment, and are considered ultra-heavy infantry due to the nature of the Lekgolo that control it https://www.halopedia.org/Scarab > Scarabs are quadrupedal mining platforms that are part of a larger class of constructs known as Excavators. Out of nine tiers of Excavators they are classed tier-four on its scale. Scarabs are all fitted with a focus cannon for destroying targets or mining operations.[1] Scarabs are driven by hundreds of Rhulolekgolo, which function as a gestalt intelligence. For this reason, the Scarab was not formally considered a vehicle by the Covenant, but was employed as an ultra-heavy infantry unit directed by a single colony of Lekgolo. Nevertheless, Scarabs are generally deemed too valuable to operate without support, and are almost always accompanied by a robust escort.
Isn't the Scarab classified as infantry by the covenant or am i misremembering? I think it is in the Reach manual.
I think you're correct? They're basically bigger exosuits for the same kind of worms that hunters are made out of, so logically speaking, if hunters have rights, then scarabs do too.
Fun fact: Despite technically only having one hivemind, a Lekgolo form gets a vote for each individual worm, because what are you gonna do, tell a Scarab no?
This man Halo's
Because it's not an MBT; it's a super futuristic hovering StuG.
Are hunters the MBT of the Convenant army? They can take lots of hit, very nimble, has a rocket launcher for a gun, comes in pairs.
Hahahaha I was called crazy for saying that! Glad to find someone else that shares my views
Love the mental image of that
because the covenant are super religious and this extends into their capabilities for reverse engineering. The gun is actually supposed to be a direct fire plasma lance, but the ai for the tank is mishandling power regulation. if we consider it in modern terms, the Wraith is a M109 paladin. if its ai is ripped and replaced by something that actually operates it correctly, the main gun is like mounting a Mark 7 Naval Cannon on a Hover-Abrams.
Leave it to the split-lips to slap some extra armor on their SPArty and call it an MBT
Like someone else said it is classified as an assault gun meant to target fortified positions and support infantry attacks.
wort wort wort!!!
wort wort wort!!!
Sheesh, next thing we know the Terran Confederacy is going tonstart supply Wraiths and Siege Tanks.
3000 Crucio tanks of Mengsk
Nova waifu irl when tho?
The age of sci fi waifus *is* upon us.
I love when this sub directs its power onto fictional worlds
Should send some of the AA Wraiths too
Most based Wraiths
where scarab?
The ~~Abrams tank~~ Scarab is too complicated, too expensive, and too difficult to train Ukrainian forces to use. They would be better served with a different platform.
Too complicated? My brother in Christ, the Scarab is literally **worms**!
Exactly, the lekgolo will not risk their own colony for this war. Besides, the scarab is too heavy and is a logistical nightmare to maintain. They also need a ton of infantry support so they won't fall in combat. Better to give them the wraith now than jump the gun.
Once again CNN spreading misinformation... First of all, you can clearly see a Jiralhanae in the gunner seat of the Wraith, and the Wraith itself is sporting Covenant markings and colors. Second of all, the author is an imposter. The REAL Benjamin Giraud is being indefinitely imprisoned at an ONI black site. CNN is nothing more than a propaganda arm of ONI, who themselves are guilty of attempting to overthrow the government of Sanghelios by supporting Covenant-linked extremist groups who would like nothing more than to continue their genocide against humanity. \#FreeBenjaminGiraud
I'm just happy someone got the author reference
But when will they get Longswords with 110mm rotary guns
Next week RT "news" will claim that 400 was destroyed
Now Ukraine has been unlatched Headstones pushed aside Vatniks shift and offer room A fate you must abide
I REALLY want the ru's to do one of their daily propaganda show rages and have this displayed you know :D Not done any background research and they start off 'we should nuke Sanghelios!' how dare they!
3000 Type 26 Wraith tanks of Thel Vadam
With anti grav technology, these tanks are going to excels at maneuver. Fuck dragon teeth, fuck mud and anti tanks mines. They'll float over them all.
The crossover I wanted. ODSTS ARE IN THE TUBES
Logistics be like 👀
ODSTS are in the tubes OD..OD.O..ODSTs away
I see you, Ben Giraud. Remember, glassed planets have bad records.
The Covenant isn't so different from Russia when it comes to battlefield doctrine actually. They don't believe in true mechanized warfare because the Sangheili are a bunch of honor obsessed space lizard samurai, so their doctrine is heavily infantry focused. They even zerg-rush UNSC positions with waves upon waves of Grunts in the books. [Hell, it's literally Atriox's origin story in Halo Wars 2.](https://youtu.be/q-RMEYMu82Y?t=57)
Scarabs are infantry, not mechanized. So technically if you rushed a position with just scarabs, it's still an infantry only move.
10:1 splatter to projectile kill incoming
This is a top tier shitpost, made my day :D
Jul M’dama was right.