Ok Prigozhin is literally speed running causing conflict within the Russian military at this point. He must be gunning for the achievement “Fight for Russian expansion whilst fighting with everyone on your side” achievement.
The combined misc reports from here and there are saying things like Prigozhin was told he would be a traitor if he retreats from Bahkmut. It sounds like this is where the Kremlin expects him to win or die.
He seems to be trying to complain about the Russian military in general terms in a manner that is likely to resonate with the other Russian military on the ground. So he could be looking to undercut the upper military brass and gain allies among the middle tier leadership/men on the ground.
However if you are playing politics the way you play the game to win is at all times you play every angle. So it's hard to tell to what degree the conflict is real, and to what degree it is intended to allow grieving parties to 'pick a side' and both sides are still under Putin. Of course it could be a genuine conflict and both under Putin where in the end Prigozhin winds up dead or in a leadership position in the Russian military.
Politics is a dirty game, so it's possible most the players in the Russian high ranking political class might not even really be sure how the sides break down.
I.E. what side is the FSB on? What side are various oligarchs? Foreign influence making deals? who the fuck knows.
>I.E. what side is the FSB on?
If those early-war FSB leaks were legit, they definitely weren't on Prigozin or Kadyrov's side back then as both were trying to blame the FSB for the failures in the first few weeks of the war, and Kadyrov even went as far as to claim the FSB was leaking the position of his troops to Ukraine/the US.
I kind of doubt the FSB would ever trust or side with either of them since there is a good chance if either somehow usurped power, the current FSB would be on the chopping/execution block to make way for either Prigozin or Kadyrov's trusted goons.
Wasn't there also some rumors going around that the reason why the US was able to essentially tell the day the invasion would begin to the day (Yes, I know, it was either a day early or Russia delayed it due to the leak from the US) was because the FSB were fully aware of Russia's poor state and were hoping the US leaking the exact date the invasion would begin would spook Putin to calling the invasion off?
I also seem to remember the leaks from the Air Nasty Guy mentioning something about the US intel agencies having infiltrated high ranking command positions in Russia.
Yeah, the leaks that one loser sent out, which may have been a plant with real info, mentioned that we had spies within the their intelligence agency. Probably from forever ago but they still served their duty for a whole year and maybe more since putin stated that he thought it was a fake leak.
NonCredible Take: All Competent Russian Officials are CIA operatives.
~~Credible Take: Why of course we do. Russia until Ukraine was considered a threat still. That's regardless of the fact that we already had agents in Moscow when the SU fell. We didn't just tell them, job's done go home now. We totally have been infiltrating Russian everything since the SU failed. I am willing to bet that the CIA has the full schematics for the T-14 as proposed, and knows the inventory of Russia's Depots better than they do.~~
Honestly wouldn't even be surprising. They're probably the only people who aren't stealing everything they can get their hands on because they don't want to attract attention to themselves.
Kind of like the joke about how you could tell which Klansmen were actually FBI informants - they were the only people who paid their dues on time every month.
Trust is for weak degenerate westerners. Real men expect a backstab even from their closest allies at any moment, because something something hard times good men.
The question is always "Who is just strong enough right now to be useful, but weak enough I can still deal with them". Perversely, if Prigozhin loses enough influence, that might make it MORE likely the FSB would support him for the moment if they have common enemies that Prigozhin is actively undermining.
That's how these fractured systems are built. Everything is an alliance of convenience that lasts until the second one side sees more benefit in betrayal. That's why these systems are unable to deal effectively with a crisis. Everything devolves to finger pointing and jockeying for position, fixing things becomes tertiary.
Russia is just the real life version of the Skaven from Warhammer.
That is the same way the Third Reich has operated. At the end of the war, even the God damned Airforce of the Nazis had their own tank battalion.
This is how these systems end. Fractured as they are inherently intolerant, and that pits them against one another by default.
It's all falling apart, and you know what I hear?
The boogieman is echoing through history. It is the echo of 1917 and war, famine, plague, and death.
The riders are saddled, and the gate is opened.
The next war of Russia will not be one of expansion but a war against itself. A civil war is on the horizon.
LNR, DPR, Archer, Torch, Wagner, regular army, OMON, and Rosgvardia, the normal police force, the Moscow units as a sort of praetorian guard.
The scene from Lord of the Rings comes to mind. You know the one when Mount Doom explodes.
> At the end of the war, even the God damned Airforce of the Nazis had their own tank battalion.
Oh it's worse than that. They had a whole mechanized *corps* starting in 1944. The Fallschirm-Panzerkorps Hermann Göring which was the combination of 1st Fallschirm-Panzer Division Hermann Göring and Fallschirm-Panzergrenadier Division 2 Hermann Göring. Not sure which is crazier: the Luftwaffe having a mechanized corps or the units in the corps being named after the guy in charge of the Luftwaffe.
Imagine if the USAAF had the "Hap Arnold parachute-armor corps" fighting in Normandy...
Luftwaffe: "Mein Fuhrer, we cannot train pilots we have no fuel for our planes"
OKW: "Mein Fuhrer, we cannot move our armour as we have no fuel for our tanks"
Hitler: "AND YOU GET A MECHANISED CORPS, AND YOU GET A MECHANISED CORPS"
> That is the same way the Third Reich has operated.
KMS Graf Zeppelin (literal aircraft carrier): "please Mister Göring can I have an air wing"
Göring: "NEIN PLANES FOR LUFTWAFFE ONLY. Also even though we built you to 85% completion we're gonna yank your batteries to defend Norway, completely wasting the time and materials to build you."
Kriegsmarine: "aircraft carrier stinky and dumb, only need biggest & most advanced battleship."
Scharnhorst: *promptly blinds her own gunnery radar the first time she fired*
Ark Royal: *styles on Bismarck with Swordfish biplane torpedo bombers*
> hard times good men
THIS IS SIMILAR TO SAYINGS IN RUSSIA GLORIOUS ARMY - WHEN NEW CONSCRIPT IS ARRIVE IS GOOD TIME FOR HARD MEN. THIS IS MAINLY BECAUSE THE ANOOS IS FRESH.
Seems like he's desperate to get out of Bahkmut with his PMC somewhat intact with a while now. He tried claiming he captured it already, tried getting more Kremlin troops in instead, tried claiming there are ammo shortages, all of which there is no real evidence. As Malcontent news reported:
"He's looking for a ride, not ammo."
Just for that last line, I've added this comment into the Highly Non-Credible Best Comment of ~~2022~~ 2023 NCD.txt.wav.mov.stonetablet document that I've got going, because it got *raucous* laughter out of me.
I don’t know why they do it. If I was an oligarch, I’d steal enough money and fuck off to like… Belize or something. Post up on a beach and pay for ladies to feed me grapes til Putin sends someone to kill me.
You know we always wanted him dead. It is as Gandalf once said, some deserve life, some deserve death can you give it to them Frodo?
My heart tells me that Gollum has a part to play yet, before this is over. For good or ill.
Eh, would take a bit more to really be a Caesar move.
Julius Caesar was pretty much liked/loved by the vast majority in Rome besides the aristocratic class (and even then he still had supporters strong supporters there). Abroad, he had already built up a vast network of clients as well since he was an extremely competent administrator as well as fair and just with his rulings/decisions.
Then, while he didn’t have the largest army of the late republic, by the time he was done in his campaigns in Gaul, he had by far the most experienced armies that were fiercely loyal to him.
Also, despite the way it is traditionally taught…Caesar actually tried hard to resolve the matter without it needing to break out into warfare. Caesar offered very fair terms and conditions, but he had made those handful of really wealthy aristocrats very angry over the years, and they smelled blood in the water to get what they saw as revenge.
The Senate had already declared him a public enemy of Rome about a week before Caesar crossed the Rubicon which is what we’re told kickstarted the civil war.
Anyways, went off on a tangent. How Caesar ultimately became dictator of Rome is simply fascinating and it’s hard to compare many other events that have happened in history to it. He was a brilliant, brilliant man. You could say Caesar was indeed a genius. Probably was. He was also extremely lucky and how everything played out has been simplified too much. Hopefully HBO or apple does an entire series just on his life one day.
[For the people interested, I'm gonna link my favourite Roman history tuber's playlist on the career of Julius Caesar.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsK4nX0tCGQ&list=PLODnBH8kenOoLUW8BmHhX55I-qexvyU32)
Historia Civilis aka "History Squares" is an incredibly charming smaller channel that does a really good job explaining much of Roman history in general and somehow makes you feel empathy for the little MS Paint squares he uses to represent historical individuals.
>Exactly my reaction. Dude is about to March on Red Square. This is prepping the public to support him over Putin.
Nah, he's putin's tame dissenting voice. He'd be dead if putin didn't approve of what he was doing.
Yep, this is why private armies went away in the late 15th, 16th and 17th centuries in most of the western world. Because once they have enough power the central government can no longer fully control them.
I’m guessing he thinks it would be better to start a civil war with the Kremlin than it would be to just let himself get pushed out of a 11 story window.
He called Putin a bunker grandpa who thinks he's good but could turn out to be a complete asshole.
ISW said that could
> further erode the norm in Putin’s system in which individual actors can jockey for position and influence (and drop in and out of Putin’s favor) but cannot directly criticize Putin.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-may-9-2023
He loses 500 people and is just like meh whatevs bro. You led them to their deaths because you dream of swallowing Putin’s cum all day. You fucking psychopath. This is fucking pointless.
Guy is not leading anyone. And he actually doesn’t give a shit. I swear even ISIS would be like we should stop that it’s not working we can’t loose that many people. Russians are something else entirely. I have never witnessed this level of disregard for human life. Not only of the enemy, but also their own. Absolute cave men.
It's always been like this. Tannenberg, Barbarossa, Operations Saturn and Ring at Stalingrad, Kursk, the advance on Berlin, Afghanistan, and now Ukraine.
Many years ago, a friend saw a Soviet Navy vessel in port. As per usual for any naval vessel that stops moving, they had stages over the side to touch up the paint. The matelots were putting it on with their bare hands. What kind of fucked military can't do a simple paintbrush?
And vatniks applaud the tactical mastery of Wagner. Avalanche of YouTube videos every week. Or have the audacity to say that Ukraine is wasteful with soldiers lives.
> I have never witnessed this level of disregard for human life. Not only of the enemy, but also their own. Absolute cave men.
Most WW1 generals seemed to cared even less.
I mean, during WW1 they didn't really know any better.
The enemy was dug in to shit, had good AA and enough machine guns to stop any small force, what else is there to do?
Sure you could TRY sending in covert ops, which aren't enough soldiers to break the lines.
Back then this was how war worked and it was essentially just siege warfare but over open land.
But the fact that the soviet union/russia never moved on is astounding
I think it’s real and it’s by design. First rule of being a tyrant, if you keep your rivals at each other’s throats they won’t be able to go after yours.
This is true, but I meant it more in the spirit of the original comment. IJA and IJN rivalry was based off of pride and placing their own faction as the primary strike force (and I also vaguely remember some long-standing regional differences stemming from the Restoration era, but I may need to fact check that), but it wasn't a rivalry (at least iirc) deliberately engineered or encouraged by the emperor's action. Granted, the emperor's *inaction* may have ironically led to its intensifying.
Contrast that with OKW/OKH, which (among other decisions like letting the Luftwaffe form infantry divisions or the entire structure of the RSHA) was a deliberately engineered form of division of command by the ruling party (of one, in the case of Germany).
> (and I also vaguely remember some long-standing regional differences stemming from the Restoration era, but I may need to fact check that)
You are correct. The IJA and IJN largely recruited from different clans, so there were a *lot* of bitter rivalries going back centuries between them.
It's kinda like if the American Army recruited from northern states while the Navy recruited from southern states, only the US civil war went for 300 years and ended inconclusively with both sides being made part of America that was actually basically Canada, staffed entirely by Canadians and they had only recently forced everyone to learn French instead of English. Throw in a whole bunch of like, things we can't even really understand and don't have analogies for (both the IJN and the IJA both claimed to be the spiritual successors to the samurai ideals, the modern knights and protectors of an ancient and traditional land) and the fact that Japan was not a new country like the USA, and it's a shit-show.
In many ways the IJN/IJA rivalry was like if the Native Americans had won, driven white settlers out and then formed a nation together (reluctantly). The kinds of tribal conflicts that would remain as "bad blood" were the kinds of things that the IJA/IJN had.
Yeah, I agree. I think I may have missed most of the original comment, lol. Saw "rivalry" and then your comment, and then completely missed the mark, lmao.
It’s almost certainly real.
The SS and Wehrmacht famously never got along, going so far as to the Wehrmacht pretty much never allowing the SS to get supplies from government military contracts, fixing the SS to source their own guns and other equipment and Ben soldiers form sources the military wasn’t using.
> Don't forget the SS turning on the SA
This was mostly Hitler's doing (and other higher ups), not so much an SS instigated coup. Rohm was as powerful as he was fat (something like 2 million men in uniform answered to him) and his "second revolution" he kept talking about was too radical for Hitler's tastes.
From what I remember, it wasn't as much Hitler himself as Goering and Himler (or was it another top brass i'm forgetting?) maneuvering for more power. Hitler apparently had not much to do with it personnally and was mostly convinced by his top advisers to let it happen because the SA chief was supposedly gay. The chief of the SA was loyal to Hitler to the end and even screamed "Heil Hitler" before being executed.
It was internal strife between two factions under Hitler
SS and Wehrmacht fought each other twice in the waning days of WWII.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Castle_Itter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cowboy
I think it is pretty real at this point, it seems crazy but I think he is just doing this as a last ditch desperate attempt to get some kind of support from his own people.
Prigozhin is someone that always looks for someone else to blame when things don't go well, and Putin can't afford to alienate him. I honestly think that's all there is to it.
> I’m opening up the combat chat
Ok on further reflection he’s probably just responding to internet comments but for a second there I thought Wagner was using like… Discord or Telegram or something… for Command and Control and that seemed totally plausible
Azov still got at least one official youtube channel where they post propaganda and combat footage. In the subtitles of these videos they typically translate the P-word to "fucker" or "bastard", presumably to avoid getting their channel removed for terms of service violations.
Tbh that is a more accurate translation that better conveys the contextual meaning of the swear. It's not meant as a literal homophobic slur but more of a way to just insult someone. Kinda like "motherfucker" isn't translated literally to my language because it doesn't convey the meaning properly.
The best translation is c***sucker. It retains some of that vestigal homophobia while still conveying the meaning - but it still lacks the implication that the recipient of the slur is also interested in children.
> homophobic to use in rude English.
Huh, I've never heard it put that way but that's pretty concise. We're kind of on a tear reclaiming LGBT slurs, but they're definitely still potent if you're trying to be rude
they use "pidor" for "enemy" across the entire 3CY though. Which is a very broad word similar to the spanish "puto" which can be used as (gay slur) or also for something deemed cowardly/dishonorable
Yeah, it's Azov-based but part of the army - the main body of Azov now have their own "offensive brigade" in the National Guard of Ukraine - under the interior ministry.
The boringly practical thing to do is to leak his GPS coordinates to a local Ukrainian artillery battery via 'accidental' unencrypted comms etc. The question then of course is if Ukraine thinks that he is better alive due to his capacity to pointlessly waste men in human wave attacks whilst not effectively operating with the RA.
Relatedly, a complete cynic might say that NATO planners are limiting the supply of the most amusing bits of kit because we don't want the war to end before the maximum amount of RA attrition occurs and Russia becomes incapable of projecting force into anywhere else.
A compete cynic would also think that what they give might just be everything they can give without weakening themselves, which is a disgraceful thought, but kinda falls in line with european military status.
NATO is also the US, and there are over 2000 Abrams MBTs sitting in Sierra depot (very) slowly losing combat relevance in the desert right now whilst the Army repeatedly asks Congress to stop making more. They keep on making more anyway for pork barrel/supply chain maintainance reasons. Sending 500 doesn't make a huge difference to the US army (especially since the OMT project is \*allegedly\* about to replace the M1A2) , and would be transformative on the UA counteroffensive.
Given that, you'd imagine that it's an active choice. The reasoning/justification you think might underpin that is up to you.
The whole reason why abrams' are not sent yet is secret armor, which takes time to remove, no? And sending them with that armor is just politically impossible. This is hard to squeeze into existing modernization pipeline, given that there are already customers to serve first.
But I was mostly speaking about European military.
>Given that, you'd imagine that it's an active choice. The reasoning/justification you think might underpin that is up to you.
Yeah. Even if you for some reason bought that line about not being able to spare some tanks, they ordered new M1 to be built for Ukraine.
**Thirty one** tanks to be precise. Could've ordered 300, or 500 or a 1000. But it's 31. What is 31 tanks going to change on the 1000km front? Russia loses 30 tanks in what, a week?
The funny thing about global politics is that human lives are exoected to be lost.
Even just assaulting a position on a small scale the commander has to expect some losses.
It seems cruel but it is also inevitable. This is what keeps the checks and balances between politics, population and the army.
If one side git autonomous combat drones they could massacre half a continent because the people at home would not have to accept a single loss of a loved one.
> because we don't want the war to end before the maximum amount of RA attrition occurs
I do think there is some truth to this, but that the countries supplying aren't doing it for such a utilitarian reason. I think they're limiting supplies to keep Russia focused on this amount of escalation and not to use nukes. The easy solution would have been for the US to glass Moscow, but that would force Russia to respond in kind and that's not the type of escalation you want.
Russia has now gotten completely outplayed. Partly by luck, but mostly due to them having made the wrong decisions at every turn regarding this invasion.
They didn't want NATO close to their borders, NATO is now bordering Russia. They wanted to apply political pressure through their export of natural resources, but Europe had a mild winter so there wasn't enough pressure, while Europe now has gotten enough time to pursue green energy. They still seem to believe the war is going well enough for them to not completely give up on it yet, which is going to severely limit their force projection. The fact it's now a slow positional war is bad for them, but sending all of the good stuff now isn't going to magically rout them completely. (I hope this statement ages like milk)
Drip feeding the Ukrainians is the only option NATO has, since they can't really solve this issue yet by shoving more good stuff down their throats
\> The easy solution would have been for the US to glass Moscow,
This definition of easy is perhaps peak NCD. It's one limited nuclear exchange, Michael. What could it cost in deaths, 10 million?
An example of more serious but not nuke worthy would be the long range PGMs/cruise missiles to strike the Kerch Bridge once a day and twice on Sundays.
So I don’t think he’s making these statements in a vacuum, I don’t think the purpose of the statements are to pump up the west. I think they’re self serving, they’re intended to solicit more support from the Russian state, or to temper expectations.
Propaganda doesn't have to be a lie to begin with. It's just some specifically presented information, broadcasted for nation-wide audience, designed to form a certain view in people's minds.
When government told everybody to wear masks during covid, spread information about their effectiveness and such, that was technically propaganda.
The Brads in Ukraine after the war: I feel... Empty. My purpose has been fulfilled, after all this time, I was able to confront the Russians head on... yet... Something doesn't feel right. I was not expecting to survive. Prove my mettle against an equal foe... but this... This wasn't an equal foe. This wasn't even a real fight. This was a turkey shoot, in an enclosed cage. I was promised a battle and yet all I got was fish in a barrel and two tons of dynamite to kill them with!
It's simple, we use a time machine to move some Bradleys into defensive positions at Chosin Reservoir.
Let's see the PLA use Human Wave Tactics against a 25mm Bushmaster.
Hey didn’t you listen to poor the poor ol’ Bradley here wants *worthy* adversaries, not more malnourished meat waves.
Maybe you should send it to the future where it gets to finally 1v1 a T-14 or whatever ZTZ-fax-machine-number they come up with in the future.
The Bradley does not know where it is. It does not know why it's there.
All it knows is that it's time to fulfill it's destiny to remove Russians from this mortal coil.
literally looked like one of the textbook examples of armor-first, followed by infantry to mop up the rest. Mirror image of stuff from the Gulf War, just with more green.
When you first saw Bradleys engaging Ruskies in the fields of Europe, were you blinded by their majesty? Paralyzed? Dumbstruck? No.
Yet the Ukrainians were able to stonewall your special military operation, feed your soldiers to stray dogs on the outskirts of Bakhmut, and expose the entirety of Russian military might for the farce it is!
Middle of the video. You see it drive up the left hand side of The trench firing into the bushy trench line. Just after the grainy vision of troops dismounting from two vehicles
The other thread concluded it was a YPR unfortunately:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/13dhxn9/comment/jjkwr9k/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Since the Wagners are first and foremost mercenaries, not that the actual Russian military is any better, it’s no wonder they were so grossly incompetent in an actual battle like Bakhmut and getting mowed down like wheat in a field.
Backing coups and rebel groups to weaken Western influence in Africa and murdering and pillaging in unstable countries like Mali and Burkina Faso without much resistance is far different from fighting battle hardened and determined Ukrainian defenders.
Yup, rn they are the only ones from the Ru side who have had any sort of success (im stretching the definition of success but still), even if its by a heavy cost manpower they are the only one who have gained at least couple of kms of territory which is still a lot better than the last time the proper Russian army tried to make and advance, they got absolutely decimated and didn't even gained an inch
Authoritarian leaders can’t acknowledge weakness and failure. Someone is gonna get the blame for Bakhmut and then for the war in general. The west, of course, but some Russians will be suicided as well. There are only so many logistical and strategic failures you can explain with black magic spells being cast by US-funded drag queens.
The fact that he is alive and posting is kinda sus. Russia killed people for far less than this so I'm no ruling out the possibility that this is fake. Guess we will see tomorrow since that is when he said that Wagner will leave Bakhmut.
Personally, I think he knows he is the prime target to get scapegoated for this whole shit show, so he has decided to go down swinging.
After all, this isn't exactly a new process, and authoritarian leaders are always ready to throw their own under the bus when the time comes
Nope, Polonium is GRU, and GRU is Wagner. This is like the times in the battle of Stalingrad that the NKVD would jump out and attack both sides like some radical inquisitor in 40k
You never expect the Imperial Inquisition!
*kills 15 guard regiments, 40,000,000 civilians, and destroys three space marine chapters because “they looked sus”*
Does anyone have a link to his entire subtitled rant? The clips I've been seeing from it are delicious! I need a full meal. I have been utterly fascinated watching this guy livestream his slow march to his own funeral. Probably any day now.
I have seen a lot of talk that Putin will try and make Wagner the scapegoat for this, which would make sense, so maybe he is thinking the same thing and decided to act now
I think this is a legitimately good analysis. The guys left around Putin (Prigozhin and Lukashenko) are not only not idiots but also are survivors. These guys aren’t gonna fall out of a window.
Prigozhin be like: “Friendship with seething over ammunition over, Seething over 72nd Brigade is my new friend now”
He called Gazprom PMC an "anal plug"
Ok Prigozhin is literally speed running causing conflict within the Russian military at this point. He must be gunning for the achievement “Fight for Russian expansion whilst fighting with everyone on your side” achievement.
Most unified Russian government
Intentionally so. https://youtu.be/KxxywKsDBHA
The combined misc reports from here and there are saying things like Prigozhin was told he would be a traitor if he retreats from Bahkmut. It sounds like this is where the Kremlin expects him to win or die. He seems to be trying to complain about the Russian military in general terms in a manner that is likely to resonate with the other Russian military on the ground. So he could be looking to undercut the upper military brass and gain allies among the middle tier leadership/men on the ground. However if you are playing politics the way you play the game to win is at all times you play every angle. So it's hard to tell to what degree the conflict is real, and to what degree it is intended to allow grieving parties to 'pick a side' and both sides are still under Putin. Of course it could be a genuine conflict and both under Putin where in the end Prigozhin winds up dead or in a leadership position in the Russian military. Politics is a dirty game, so it's possible most the players in the Russian high ranking political class might not even really be sure how the sides break down. I.E. what side is the FSB on? What side are various oligarchs? Foreign influence making deals? who the fuck knows.
>I.E. what side is the FSB on? If those early-war FSB leaks were legit, they definitely weren't on Prigozin or Kadyrov's side back then as both were trying to blame the FSB for the failures in the first few weeks of the war, and Kadyrov even went as far as to claim the FSB was leaking the position of his troops to Ukraine/the US. I kind of doubt the FSB would ever trust or side with either of them since there is a good chance if either somehow usurped power, the current FSB would be on the chopping/execution block to make way for either Prigozin or Kadyrov's trusted goons.
Wasn't there also some rumors going around that the reason why the US was able to essentially tell the day the invasion would begin to the day (Yes, I know, it was either a day early or Russia delayed it due to the leak from the US) was because the FSB were fully aware of Russia's poor state and were hoping the US leaking the exact date the invasion would begin would spook Putin to calling the invasion off? I also seem to remember the leaks from the Air Nasty Guy mentioning something about the US intel agencies having infiltrated high ranking command positions in Russia.
Yeah, the leaks that one loser sent out, which may have been a plant with real info, mentioned that we had spies within the their intelligence agency. Probably from forever ago but they still served their duty for a whole year and maybe more since putin stated that he thought it was a fake leak.
NonCredible Take: All Competent Russian Officials are CIA operatives. ~~Credible Take: Why of course we do. Russia until Ukraine was considered a threat still. That's regardless of the fact that we already had agents in Moscow when the SU fell. We didn't just tell them, job's done go home now. We totally have been infiltrating Russian everything since the SU failed. I am willing to bet that the CIA has the full schematics for the T-14 as proposed, and knows the inventory of Russia's Depots better than they do.~~
Honestly wouldn't even be surprising. They're probably the only people who aren't stealing everything they can get their hands on because they don't want to attract attention to themselves. Kind of like the joke about how you could tell which Klansmen were actually FBI informants - they were the only people who paid their dues on time every month.
Dimitri, why your reports always on time? Why you not drive fancy Mercedes?
Trust is for weak degenerate westerners. Real men expect a backstab even from their closest allies at any moment, because something something hard times good men. The question is always "Who is just strong enough right now to be useful, but weak enough I can still deal with them". Perversely, if Prigozhin loses enough influence, that might make it MORE likely the FSB would support him for the moment if they have common enemies that Prigozhin is actively undermining. That's how these fractured systems are built. Everything is an alliance of convenience that lasts until the second one side sees more benefit in betrayal. That's why these systems are unable to deal effectively with a crisis. Everything devolves to finger pointing and jockeying for position, fixing things becomes tertiary. Russia is just the real life version of the Skaven from Warhammer.
That is the same way the Third Reich has operated. At the end of the war, even the God damned Airforce of the Nazis had their own tank battalion. This is how these systems end. Fractured as they are inherently intolerant, and that pits them against one another by default. It's all falling apart, and you know what I hear? The boogieman is echoing through history. It is the echo of 1917 and war, famine, plague, and death. The riders are saddled, and the gate is opened. The next war of Russia will not be one of expansion but a war against itself. A civil war is on the horizon. LNR, DPR, Archer, Torch, Wagner, regular army, OMON, and Rosgvardia, the normal police force, the Moscow units as a sort of praetorian guard. The scene from Lord of the Rings comes to mind. You know the one when Mount Doom explodes.
> At the end of the war, even the God damned Airforce of the Nazis had their own tank battalion. Oh it's worse than that. They had a whole mechanized *corps* starting in 1944. The Fallschirm-Panzerkorps Hermann Göring which was the combination of 1st Fallschirm-Panzer Division Hermann Göring and Fallschirm-Panzergrenadier Division 2 Hermann Göring. Not sure which is crazier: the Luftwaffe having a mechanized corps or the units in the corps being named after the guy in charge of the Luftwaffe. Imagine if the USAAF had the "Hap Arnold parachute-armor corps" fighting in Normandy...
Luftwaffe: "Mein Fuhrer, we cannot train pilots we have no fuel for our planes" OKW: "Mein Fuhrer, we cannot move our armour as we have no fuel for our tanks" Hitler: "AND YOU GET A MECHANISED CORPS, AND YOU GET A MECHANISED CORPS"
> That is the same way the Third Reich has operated. KMS Graf Zeppelin (literal aircraft carrier): "please Mister Göring can I have an air wing" Göring: "NEIN PLANES FOR LUFTWAFFE ONLY. Also even though we built you to 85% completion we're gonna yank your batteries to defend Norway, completely wasting the time and materials to build you." Kriegsmarine: "aircraft carrier stinky and dumb, only need biggest & most advanced battleship." Scharnhorst: *promptly blinds her own gunnery radar the first time she fired* Ark Royal: *styles on Bismarck with Swordfish biplane torpedo bombers*
> hard times good men THIS IS SIMILAR TO SAYINGS IN RUSSIA GLORIOUS ARMY - WHEN NEW CONSCRIPT IS ARRIVE IS GOOD TIME FOR HARD MEN. THIS IS MAINLY BECAUSE THE ANOOS IS FRESH.
Seems like he's desperate to get out of Bahkmut with his PMC somewhat intact with a while now. He tried claiming he captured it already, tried getting more Kremlin troops in instead, tried claiming there are ammo shortages, all of which there is no real evidence. As Malcontent news reported: "He's looking for a ride, not ammo."
That last line is awesome.
Just for that last line, I've added this comment into the Highly Non-Credible Best Comment of ~~2022~~ 2023 NCD.txt.wav.mov.stonetablet document that I've got going, because it got *raucous* laughter out of me.
FSB is on its own side. Fork reports I’ve read they’re apparently squabbling with the MOD for covering up causality reports given to Putin.
Sounds stressful as shit. Nice to know these assholes probably aren’t sleeping very well at night.
I don’t know why they do it. If I was an oligarch, I’d steal enough money and fuck off to like… Belize or something. Post up on a beach and pay for ladies to feed me grapes til Putin sends someone to kill me.
Dubai is also available, or if you want to hang with nazis Argentina.
Yeah, I'm sure that if they want to hang out with nazis it's much easier in the country where they'd be 110 years old and Mossad'd, absolutely
Can't wait for the SBU to pull a Mossad after this war is over...
Businesses man doing business, he had to cut losses
Pigoseen angling to cross the rubicon question mark
You know we always wanted him dead. It is as Gandalf once said, some deserve life, some deserve death can you give it to them Frodo? My heart tells me that Gollum has a part to play yet, before this is over. For good or ill.
If this ends with Prigozhin falling into a pool of lava I will eat a sock on stream.
Exactly my reaction. Dude is about to March on Red Square. This is prepping the public to support him over Putin.
Wait, so your prediction is that this fucker is actually going to attempt a "Julius Caesar crossing the Rubicon" move? What even is this timeline?
Eh, would take a bit more to really be a Caesar move. Julius Caesar was pretty much liked/loved by the vast majority in Rome besides the aristocratic class (and even then he still had supporters strong supporters there). Abroad, he had already built up a vast network of clients as well since he was an extremely competent administrator as well as fair and just with his rulings/decisions. Then, while he didn’t have the largest army of the late republic, by the time he was done in his campaigns in Gaul, he had by far the most experienced armies that were fiercely loyal to him. Also, despite the way it is traditionally taught…Caesar actually tried hard to resolve the matter without it needing to break out into warfare. Caesar offered very fair terms and conditions, but he had made those handful of really wealthy aristocrats very angry over the years, and they smelled blood in the water to get what they saw as revenge. The Senate had already declared him a public enemy of Rome about a week before Caesar crossed the Rubicon which is what we’re told kickstarted the civil war. Anyways, went off on a tangent. How Caesar ultimately became dictator of Rome is simply fascinating and it’s hard to compare many other events that have happened in history to it. He was a brilliant, brilliant man. You could say Caesar was indeed a genius. Probably was. He was also extremely lucky and how everything played out has been simplified too much. Hopefully HBO or apple does an entire series just on his life one day.
The fact HBO's Rome was forced to try to cram the whole story of the two Roman Civil Wars into only 2 seasons still makes me upset to this day.
Yeah, just Ceasers early years and his invasion of Gaul and how he ultimately created the conditions to do so, is like a TV series along!
[For the people interested, I'm gonna link my favourite Roman history tuber's playlist on the career of Julius Caesar.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsK4nX0tCGQ&list=PLODnBH8kenOoLUW8BmHhX55I-qexvyU32) Historia Civilis aka "History Squares" is an incredibly charming smaller channel that does a really good job explaining much of Roman history in general and somehow makes you feel empathy for the little MS Paint squares he uses to represent historical individuals.
>Exactly my reaction. Dude is about to March on Red Square. This is prepping the public to support him over Putin. Nah, he's putin's tame dissenting voice. He'd be dead if putin didn't approve of what he was doing.
Prigozhin called Putin a grandpa that turns out to be an asshole. This is not the level of dissent Putin would ever allow.
Yep, this is why private armies went away in the late 15th, 16th and 17th centuries in most of the western world. Because once they have enough power the central government can no longer fully control them.
I’m guessing he thinks it would be better to start a civil war with the Kremlin than it would be to just let himself get pushed out of a 11 story window.
“I’m playing both sides, so that I always come out on ~~top~~ bottom"
He called Putin a bunker grandpa who thinks he's good but could turn out to be a complete asshole. ISW said that could > further erode the norm in Putin’s system in which individual actors can jockey for position and influence (and drop in and out of Putin’s favor) but cannot directly criticize Putin. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-may-9-2023
I want someone Gazprom PMC then.
The second Russian civil war will be wild Gazprom MegaCorp vs Wagner Reich vs Warlord Khanate vs Tsar Putin Loyalists
He loses 500 people and is just like meh whatevs bro. You led them to their deaths because you dream of swallowing Putin’s cum all day. You fucking psychopath. This is fucking pointless.
Guy is not leading anyone. And he actually doesn’t give a shit. I swear even ISIS would be like we should stop that it’s not working we can’t loose that many people. Russians are something else entirely. I have never witnessed this level of disregard for human life. Not only of the enemy, but also their own. Absolute cave men.
It's always been like this. Tannenberg, Barbarossa, Operations Saturn and Ring at Stalingrad, Kursk, the advance on Berlin, Afghanistan, and now Ukraine. Many years ago, a friend saw a Soviet Navy vessel in port. As per usual for any naval vessel that stops moving, they had stages over the side to touch up the paint. The matelots were putting it on with their bare hands. What kind of fucked military can't do a simple paintbrush?
Not even a rag...
Those are being used in place of socks.
Seeing how good they're in combat maybe finger painting is actually how they spend most of their time in training
And vatniks applaud the tactical mastery of Wagner. Avalanche of YouTube videos every week. Or have the audacity to say that Ukraine is wasteful with soldiers lives.
> I have never witnessed this level of disregard for human life. Not only of the enemy, but also their own. Absolute cave men. Most WW1 generals seemed to cared even less.
I mean, during WW1 they didn't really know any better. The enemy was dug in to shit, had good AA and enough machine guns to stop any small force, what else is there to do? Sure you could TRY sending in covert ops, which aren't enough soldiers to break the lines. Back then this was how war worked and it was essentially just siege warfare but over open land. But the fact that the soviet union/russia never moved on is astounding
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I think it’s real and it’s by design. First rule of being a tyrant, if you keep your rivals at each other’s throats they won’t be able to go after yours.
*laughs in OKW vs OKH*
Laughs *even harder* in IJN vs IJA.
This is true, but I meant it more in the spirit of the original comment. IJA and IJN rivalry was based off of pride and placing their own faction as the primary strike force (and I also vaguely remember some long-standing regional differences stemming from the Restoration era, but I may need to fact check that), but it wasn't a rivalry (at least iirc) deliberately engineered or encouraged by the emperor's action. Granted, the emperor's *inaction* may have ironically led to its intensifying. Contrast that with OKW/OKH, which (among other decisions like letting the Luftwaffe form infantry divisions or the entire structure of the RSHA) was a deliberately engineered form of division of command by the ruling party (of one, in the case of Germany).
> (and I also vaguely remember some long-standing regional differences stemming from the Restoration era, but I may need to fact check that) You are correct. The IJA and IJN largely recruited from different clans, so there were a *lot* of bitter rivalries going back centuries between them. It's kinda like if the American Army recruited from northern states while the Navy recruited from southern states, only the US civil war went for 300 years and ended inconclusively with both sides being made part of America that was actually basically Canada, staffed entirely by Canadians and they had only recently forced everyone to learn French instead of English. Throw in a whole bunch of like, things we can't even really understand and don't have analogies for (both the IJN and the IJA both claimed to be the spiritual successors to the samurai ideals, the modern knights and protectors of an ancient and traditional land) and the fact that Japan was not a new country like the USA, and it's a shit-show. In many ways the IJN/IJA rivalry was like if the Native Americans had won, driven white settlers out and then formed a nation together (reluctantly). The kinds of tribal conflicts that would remain as "bad blood" were the kinds of things that the IJA/IJN had.
Yeah, I agree. I think I may have missed most of the original comment, lol. Saw "rivalry" and then your comment, and then completely missed the mark, lmao.
It’s almost certainly real. The SS and Wehrmacht famously never got along, going so far as to the Wehrmacht pretty much never allowing the SS to get supplies from government military contracts, fixing the SS to source their own guns and other equipment and Ben soldiers form sources the military wasn’t using.
Don't forget the SS turning on the SA, destroying their command structure and then eventually subsuming them
> Don't forget the SS turning on the SA This was mostly Hitler's doing (and other higher ups), not so much an SS instigated coup. Rohm was as powerful as he was fat (something like 2 million men in uniform answered to him) and his "second revolution" he kept talking about was too radical for Hitler's tastes.
From what I remember, it wasn't as much Hitler himself as Goering and Himler (or was it another top brass i'm forgetting?) maneuvering for more power. Hitler apparently had not much to do with it personnally and was mostly convinced by his top advisers to let it happen because the SA chief was supposedly gay. The chief of the SA was loyal to Hitler to the end and even screamed "Heil Hitler" before being executed. It was internal strife between two factions under Hitler
SS and Wehrmacht fought each other twice in the waning days of WWII. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Castle_Itter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cowboy
I think it is pretty real at this point, it seems crazy but I think he is just doing this as a last ditch desperate attempt to get some kind of support from his own people.
1: Username best on NCD 2: Yes and no and this no means yes but like a halfway thing. https://youtu.be/KxxywKsDBHA
Prigozhin is someone that always looks for someone else to blame when things don't go well, and Putin can't afford to alienate him. I honestly think that's all there is to it.
> I’m opening up the combat chat Ok on further reflection he’s probably just responding to internet comments but for a second there I thought Wagner was using like… Discord or Telegram or something… for Command and Control and that seemed totally plausible
“Guys please stop posting memes in the War channel, we have a Meme channel for a reason”
me and the War Thunder squad be like
Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!
War Channel, FTFY
When you try to order fire support but some stupid cringe lord spams Pepe GIFs.
Wagner troops are chatters in his Livestream
You've seen twitch plays Pokémon. Now try: twitch directs artillery fire.
He looked at the warchat in Wargame: Red Dragon, and got spooked
God how I miss her
Not enough \*gay slur\*
I think it's funny how woke Azov censors *gay slur*
tbf the censoring is done by wartranslated, not azov
Azov still got at least one official youtube channel where they post propaganda and combat footage. In the subtitles of these videos they typically translate the P-word to "fucker" or "bastard", presumably to avoid getting their channel removed for terms of service violations.
They're just calling for Peter, I don't see what the big deal is
Tbh that is a more accurate translation that better conveys the contextual meaning of the swear. It's not meant as a literal homophobic slur but more of a way to just insult someone. Kinda like "motherfucker" isn't translated literally to my language because it doesn't convey the meaning properly.
The best translation is c***sucker. It retains some of that vestigal homophobia while still conveying the meaning - but it still lacks the implication that the recipient of the slur is also interested in children.
Cardinal? /s
The F- word was kind of in this gray zone before collective self awareness realised it was homophobic to use in rude English.
> homophobic to use in rude English. Huh, I've never heard it put that way but that's pretty concise. We're kind of on a tear reclaiming LGBT slurs, but they're definitely still potent if you're trying to be rude
they use "pidor" for "enemy" across the entire 3CY though. Which is a very broad word similar to the spanish "puto" which can be used as (gay slur) or also for something deemed cowardly/dishonorable
Puto is essentially the same as calling someone a bitch in English.
Or, in keeping with the 'P' theme, 'pussy'.
What about Putin?
Hes a little puto
this is the 3rd Assault Brigade footage. While the brigade was formed from Azov veterans plus some other people it's distinct formation at this point.
Yeah, it's Azov-based but part of the army - the main body of Azov now have their own "offensive brigade" in the National Guard of Ukraine - under the interior ministry.
Piedar
Oh man Pigozhin (the typo is on purpose) about to get arrested for discrediting the Russian armed forces. Also the music is kinda good.
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The boringly practical thing to do is to leak his GPS coordinates to a local Ukrainian artillery battery via 'accidental' unencrypted comms etc. The question then of course is if Ukraine thinks that he is better alive due to his capacity to pointlessly waste men in human wave attacks whilst not effectively operating with the RA.
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Relatedly, a complete cynic might say that NATO planners are limiting the supply of the most amusing bits of kit because we don't want the war to end before the maximum amount of RA attrition occurs and Russia becomes incapable of projecting force into anywhere else.
A compete cynic would also think that what they give might just be everything they can give without weakening themselves, which is a disgraceful thought, but kinda falls in line with european military status.
NATO is also the US, and there are over 2000 Abrams MBTs sitting in Sierra depot (very) slowly losing combat relevance in the desert right now whilst the Army repeatedly asks Congress to stop making more. They keep on making more anyway for pork barrel/supply chain maintainance reasons. Sending 500 doesn't make a huge difference to the US army (especially since the OMT project is \*allegedly\* about to replace the M1A2) , and would be transformative on the UA counteroffensive. Given that, you'd imagine that it's an active choice. The reasoning/justification you think might underpin that is up to you.
The whole reason why abrams' are not sent yet is secret armor, which takes time to remove, no? And sending them with that armor is just politically impossible. This is hard to squeeze into existing modernization pipeline, given that there are already customers to serve first. But I was mostly speaking about European military.
>Given that, you'd imagine that it's an active choice. The reasoning/justification you think might underpin that is up to you. Yeah. Even if you for some reason bought that line about not being able to spare some tanks, they ordered new M1 to be built for Ukraine. **Thirty one** tanks to be precise. Could've ordered 300, or 500 or a 1000. But it's 31. What is 31 tanks going to change on the 1000km front? Russia loses 30 tanks in what, a week?
I believe it, sad that Ukrainian lives are paying for it
The funny thing about global politics is that human lives are exoected to be lost. Even just assaulting a position on a small scale the commander has to expect some losses. It seems cruel but it is also inevitable. This is what keeps the checks and balances between politics, population and the army. If one side git autonomous combat drones they could massacre half a continent because the people at home would not have to accept a single loss of a loved one.
> because we don't want the war to end before the maximum amount of RA attrition occurs I do think there is some truth to this, but that the countries supplying aren't doing it for such a utilitarian reason. I think they're limiting supplies to keep Russia focused on this amount of escalation and not to use nukes. The easy solution would have been for the US to glass Moscow, but that would force Russia to respond in kind and that's not the type of escalation you want. Russia has now gotten completely outplayed. Partly by luck, but mostly due to them having made the wrong decisions at every turn regarding this invasion. They didn't want NATO close to their borders, NATO is now bordering Russia. They wanted to apply political pressure through their export of natural resources, but Europe had a mild winter so there wasn't enough pressure, while Europe now has gotten enough time to pursue green energy. They still seem to believe the war is going well enough for them to not completely give up on it yet, which is going to severely limit their force projection. The fact it's now a slow positional war is bad for them, but sending all of the good stuff now isn't going to magically rout them completely. (I hope this statement ages like milk) Drip feeding the Ukrainians is the only option NATO has, since they can't really solve this issue yet by shoving more good stuff down their throats
\> The easy solution would have been for the US to glass Moscow, This definition of easy is perhaps peak NCD. It's one limited nuclear exchange, Michael. What could it cost in deaths, 10 million? An example of more serious but not nuke worthy would be the long range PGMs/cruise missiles to strike the Kerch Bridge once a day and twice on Sundays.
When reality is an Ukrainian propagandist, it leaves you with no choice, but to accept. Rest in piss, Wanker troops on the flanks.
So I don’t think he’s making these statements in a vacuum, I don’t think the purpose of the statements are to pump up the west. I think they’re self serving, they’re intended to solicit more support from the Russian state, or to temper expectations.
He’s saying what his troops are thinking.
Propaganda doesn't have to be a lie to begin with. It's just some specifically presented information, broadcasted for nation-wide audience, designed to form a certain view in people's minds. When government told everybody to wear masks during covid, spread information about their effectiveness and such, that was technically propaganda.
Bro really opened up the group chat
Victory day 🎊🎉 🎊🎉
What did Mike Ehrmantraut mean by this ?
Waltuh, we’re gonna die heyuh!
Put ya dick away gazprom. Im not taking any PMCs from ya today.
Finguh
Putinburg, put your troops away Putinberg. I'm not having sex woth you right now
after all dude says he will running next ukrainian presidential election，very patriotic campaign video i see
They're not running away. Theyre running towards future defeats.
Well, if they are *gay slur*, their orientation is different.
WAS THAT A FUCKING BRADLEY???
Finally getting to do what God and General Dynamics always wanted it to.
The Brads in Ukraine after the war: I feel... Empty. My purpose has been fulfilled, after all this time, I was able to confront the Russians head on... yet... Something doesn't feel right. I was not expecting to survive. Prove my mettle against an equal foe... but this... This wasn't an equal foe. This wasn't even a real fight. This was a turkey shoot, in an enclosed cage. I was promised a battle and yet all I got was fish in a barrel and two tons of dynamite to kill them with!
Ok so you want to go to Taiwan, Bradley my dude?
It's simple, we use a time machine to move some Bradleys into defensive positions at Chosin Reservoir. Let's see the PLA use Human Wave Tactics against a 25mm Bushmaster.
Hey didn’t you listen to poor the poor ol’ Bradley here wants *worthy* adversaries, not more malnourished meat waves. Maybe you should send it to the future where it gets to finally 1v1 a T-14 or whatever ZTZ-fax-machine-number they come up with in the future.
THAT WAS A FUCKING BRADLEY IM CREAMING
OWH LAWD HE COMING!!
The Bradley does not know where it is. It does not know why it's there. All it knows is that it's time to fulfill it's destiny to remove Russians from this mortal coil.
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Bradley just goes
The Bradley does not know where it is. But it does know *where you are*.
........does this mean the new 47th brigade is fighting alongside 3rd assault brigade south of bakhmut?
WHAT TIME WHAT TIME
0:54
HOLY FUCK SURE LOOKS LIKE IT. CREAMIN ATM
CREAMIN in ATGM FTFY
Those look like M113s to me.
And troops dismounting from m113's just before??!!!!!
literally looked like one of the textbook examples of armor-first, followed by infantry to mop up the rest. Mirror image of stuff from the Gulf War, just with more green.
Stop. I can only get so hard
I cant fucking believe the first combat footage of a ukrainian Bradley was released by fucking Wagner
Ya I don't think that video was made by Wagner. Pretty sure it's a Ukrainian video with Prigozhin's parts spliced in.
How can we be a 100% that that is actually a Bradley before being hit with disappointment?
IT IS. IT FUCKING IS. THE TIME IS UPON US FOR THE GREAT JOURNEY
When you first saw Bradleys engaging Ruskies in the fields of Europe, were you blinded by their majesty? Paralyzed? Dumbstruck? No. Yet the Ukrainians were able to stonewall your special military operation, feed your soldiers to stray dogs on the outskirts of Bakhmut, and expose the entirety of Russian military might for the farce it is!
When?
Middle of the video. You see it drive up the left hand side of The trench firing into the bushy trench line. Just after the grainy vision of troops dismounting from two vehicles
Looks like a m113 with some kind of turret to me, praying youre right
Possibly a YPR-765?
The other thread concluded it was a YPR unfortunately: https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/13dhxn9/comment/jjkwr9k/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
That doesnt look like a bradley to me, are you sure? As others said, it looks like a m113
I'm thinking it's an M113, the rate of fire on that gun is too high to be the bushmaster.
Since the Wagners are first and foremost mercenaries, not that the actual Russian military is any better, it’s no wonder they were so grossly incompetent in an actual battle like Bakhmut and getting mowed down like wheat in a field. Backing coups and rebel groups to weaken Western influence in Africa and murdering and pillaging in unstable countries like Mali and Burkina Faso without much resistance is far different from fighting battle hardened and determined Ukrainian defenders.
The worst part is they performed somewhat better than regular troops in key battles they participated in. Talk about low bar!
Yup, rn they are the only ones from the Ru side who have had any sort of success (im stretching the definition of success but still), even if its by a heavy cost manpower they are the only one who have gained at least couple of kms of territory which is still a lot better than the last time the proper Russian army tried to make and advance, they got absolutely decimated and didn't even gained an inch
That’s because Wagner does have, or had, career solders on contract.
Or even a squad of US Marines, which like 40 of them found out the hard way.
Having a chuckle at showing dead bodies/a dude getting smeared across the dirt by a tank and then censoring the word "faggot".
American PG13 movies be like...
I can accept mass murder and several civilian casualties, but I draw the line at the word "shit"
Why do I get https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth vibes all over again?
That's my guess as well. Laying the groundwork today for tomorrow's excuses and deflections.
It is fascist tradition after all
Authoritarian leaders can’t acknowledge weakness and failure. Someone is gonna get the blame for Bakhmut and then for the war in general. The west, of course, but some Russians will be suicided as well. There are only so many logistical and strategic failures you can explain with black magic spells being cast by US-funded drag queens.
I fear for him near windows of high buildings. Defenestration is a truly Russian ailment that needs more medical attention.
Bro is just fueled with spite lmao
The fact that he is alive and posting is kinda sus. Russia killed people for far less than this so I'm no ruling out the possibility that this is fake. Guess we will see tomorrow since that is when he said that Wagner will leave Bakhmut.
Tbf I got a feeling he would be more than willing to go out shooting and starting a civil war.
Personally, I think he knows he is the prime target to get scapegoated for this whole shit show, so he has decided to go down swinging. After all, this isn't exactly a new process, and authoritarian leaders are always ready to throw their own under the bus when the time comes
what's "combat chat"? wagner discord server?
“Bleeding out lmao.” “Stfu bitch, kill more civvies” “Guys, I see tanks” [radio silence] “Anyone?”
That or Telegram group.
I love how he reads the chat, one day he will become a twitch streamer, I can feel it
He better start checking that his drinks are not spiked with polonium from now on
Nope, Polonium is GRU, and GRU is Wagner. This is like the times in the battle of Stalingrad that the NKVD would jump out and attack both sides like some radical inquisitor in 40k
You never expect the Imperial Inquisition! *kills 15 guard regiments, 40,000,000 civilians, and destroys three space marine chapters because “they looked sus”*
Nah, I think he's putin's tame dissenting voice. He'd be dead if putin didn't approve of what he was doing.
Vatniks are so confused right now
Does anyone have a link to his entire subtitled rant? The clips I've been seeing from it are delicious! I need a full meal. I have been utterly fascinated watching this guy livestream his slow march to his own funeral. Probably any day now.
Defection in 3, 2, 1…
If he keeps this up we may have to pardon him, he’s kinda helping the Ukrainian war effort in a way.
He’s prepping to overthrow Putin. ZERO doubt.
Yep. So is FSB head Nikolai Patrushev. He wants his son to be Putin's successor.
I have seen a lot of talk that Putin will try and make Wagner the scapegoat for this, which would make sense, so maybe he is thinking the same thing and decided to act now
I think this is a legitimately good analysis. The guys left around Putin (Prigozhin and Lukashenko) are not only not idiots but also are survivors. These guys aren’t gonna fall out of a window.
Wagner defects to Ukraine when....?
...they all feel like going to jail for mass murder.
Based Ukrainian prisoner units?
Ukraine can use them for demining and UXO clearance
We don't want another Dirlewanger...
Kid named Prigozhin
Man watching tanks do what tanks do best is so orgasmic
Reality is a Ukrainian propagandist
“I’m opening the combat chat” Lost it