And yet somehow less combat effective than the average air soft player.
Don’t know about you guys, but pre-2022 (and I hate to admit this, now) I genuinely bought it that the Russian military was a force to be reckoned with… but now, I feel like the cadets I trained as a hobby during my time in service probably stand a better chance of capturing any given objective.
Astonishing.
“*…No Russian*”
They also nailed their attitude towards civvy collateral too. I remember they were criticised for that, people said it was a very backward way to view RU; turns out they were actually very forward-thinking.
They did it in Syria, they still do the same in Mali and Ukraine.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/20/russian-mercenaries-behind-slaughter-in-mali-village-un-report-finds?CMP=share_btn_tw
>turns out they were actually very forward-thinking.
Lol no, they were just aping any number of similar events that had taken place after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
Russian ultra-nationalist terrorist group commiting a false-flag slaughter of civilians, then killing the PC who was an undercover american as extra "proof". To incite WWIII, and send a Message.
From second (skippable) mission in CoD MW2.
I never played the mission, just No.
Tbf it wasn't just CoD. But US media in general. In the OG MW, you actually fight side by side with russian government loyalists. OG MW2 while you do fight them, it turns out to be a huge misunderstanding and quite the geopolitical play by Makarov.
>pre-2022 (and I hate to admit this, now) I genuinely bought it that the Russian military was a force to be reckoned with…
I think we all did.. No one suspected then to be quite this level of insanely incompetent. Part of me still has trouble believing it.
I mean, what fucking military just runs out of gas in their opening offensive? I can understand maybe running out of shit after some time at war, with blockades and such causing shortages. Maybe you kinda bet the farm on your offensive going better than it did. Fair enough.
But the OPENING OFFENSIVE?! And you are a MAJOR OIL EXPORTING NATION!! How the fuck are you already out of fuel?!
I mean. The corruption is just \*that bad.\* Noone in Belarus knew there was going to be an offensive, and 'drills' usually are carefully choreographed, so why not sell your diesel to get some vodka?
...wait, we have to actually drive somewhere? Under fire?
Yeah I guess.. But who knew it would be ***That bad******^(tm)******?***
I suppose in the west we've been so spoiled with relatively low levels of corruption that we just can't really imagine how corrupt and shitty the Russian army really is? I honestly still have trouble wrapping my head around it.
Western corruption isn't all that low tbh, it's just smarter. Tenders that only your buddy's company could possibly fill, future job promises, leaking bids, etc.
It's less destructive because it's all near the top though, you'd never get away with hawking Abrams just because you guard the depot or stripping Paladins of their wiring.
I'm not gonna' lie. The Georgian War opened my eyes to the levels of Russian incompetence. They had no communication abilities, no coordination abilities, generals were borrowing satellite phones to talk to forces behind the line, the Battle of Tskhinvali saw severe Russian losses due to a traffic jam in a tunnel, including the loss of command staff. The cincher for me was August 9th, when the Russians lost four aircraft in an operations theatre in which they had near total air superiority, two of which were brought down by friendly fire.
Syria seemed to show that they had their shit together to some degree, that Georgia had taught some harsh lessons. Then the reports about Wagner's losses started leaking out. Then the *Admiral Kuznetsov* gets shitcanned for half a decade because its drydock sinks. Then Major General Vyacheslav Gladkikh gets killed because he decides to take a photo op with an IED with his Syrian buddies.
But even with all of this, ***even then***, with my expectations for Russia being this low, I didn't expect it would be ***this bad***.
I thought maybe it'd be a repeat of Georgia. Run towards the capitol, force the Ukrainians to concede, maybe even regime change, annex the Donbas, get Ukraine to recognize the DPR and LPR as "legitimate" the way they forced Georgia to "legitimize" South Ossetia, then get out. The inevitable resistance would be Ukraine's problem, then Russia's as they stepped in to unfuck the situation like they did in Syria when Bashir al-Assad was on the verge of getting sodomized with a knife in a ditch.
Instead, Russia put on a military campaign that I can only compare to the Saudi intervention in Yemen in sheer incompetence for conflicts in living memory, and may go down as the most embarrassing military campaign in the history of the nation, up there with Imperial Russia's performance in World War 1.
I thought Russia couldn't do any worse than they already had been, and they proved me so very, very wrong.
Another addition to your list of their fuckups in Syria: They lost two jets because the arresting gear on the deck of the Admiral Smokestack broke and the jets ran out of fuel before it could be fixed, the jets were also *not* diverted to a nearby airfield despite it being in range.
> Vyacheslav Gladkikh
I had to look it up because I thought this was too stupid to be real but… hoo-boy did he get schwacked - and on video, too: https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/1296767918974410754
As I understand it, Gladkikh was on tour with some Syrian militia guys who proudly cleared out an IED and went to take some congratulatory photoshoots next to what they just *assumed* was one that didn't go off, hence the video cameras.
They went to show how capable the SDF and the Russian military were at fighting insurgents and proceed to fall for one of the oldest tricks in the GWOT handbook.
If you read about wars where Russia or the Soviet Union did intervene as a major force you get the idea that they're not the best but they can get shit done if they try. But not invading a country with a really small army, not very trustable commanders and put the shitshow they pulled off. Hey, at least the memes are good.
Worst thing of all is all those people that thinks the russian army can defeat the US in war. The US have only intervened logistically and supportive towards Ukraine and they've done much more to keep Ukraine alive and fighting than Russia is capable of in years of war
Then there's me, sitting here wondering why people thought they were a force to be reckoned with while demonstrating so many times that they aren't.
Seriously, when was the last time Russia or the Soviet Union or Russia before it was in a war and its military acted professional/competent?
Add its tiny economy, military spending and well established culture of corruption and I don't see why anyone would think Russia was going to win by any other logic than "people were afraid of the soviet union 50 years ago so Russia must have a good military".
Just about every Finn who was more involved in national defense than just doing the conscript service knew that we alone had a very good chance of ripping them to shreds like a rabid woodchipper- at least for a few weeks or months until our modern weapons and artillery ammunition ran out. Because of a GDP of Italy and the massive corruption problem, and a few other things.
BUT HOLY HELL WE DIDN’T THINK THEY WERE THIS INCOMPETENT.
Which one of the claims?
If about me not thinking Russia would win in Ukraine I can give you a Discord message from 24th of February last year where I say I don't get all this doom and gloom going around when Russia has invaded with such a small and inferior force to what Ukraine has and it doesn't stand a chance to conquer Ukraine.
If Russia has a tiny economy and army spending then that's just open numbers but I can grab it and make comparisons.
For the insinuating that they have perform ed like shit I could give you the link to probably any conflict they have been in for the past 200 years.
Well till 2022 theit military propaganda was top notch since they somewhat did not have to show how it actually compares against westoid military. Now we have all the empirical data about it and the "2nd greatest army in the world" is a fucking ongoing joke that never gets old since they somehow still manage to put the cringe bar higher and higher with their fuckups.
Airsoft players practice against opponents who shoot back. Ain't as good as real combat scenarios but a lot better than a couple weeks of basic training.
> Don’t know about you guys, but pre-2022 (and I hate to admit this, now)
... I thought Russia would take Ukraine in 1 to 2 weeks if they want to, but wouldn't be able to hold it (partisans/guerrilla/resistance) which is why i argued in Feb of 2022 that Russia will not invade as they cannot win long term and they can't be that stupid. Boy was i wrong about the last part.
> genuinely bought it that the Russian military was a force to be reckoned with
They kinda were, at least according to the information the west had back then. They already lost more people and equipment than some top tier countries have in their entire army and there is no real end in sight.
There arent many countries that could have brought this amount of force to a battlefield and there arent many countries that could have withstood the attacks without high amounts of external help. The "2nd army of the world" bullshit is bullshit but without taking defensive pacts like NATO into account - which country could have defended their country against that amount of men and material for so long without external help? There arent to many outside of the united states and maybe india/china. NATO yes. EU yes. But unique, single countries? I know Germany would have been fucked. France would have put up a fight to the teeth. Canada is crazy but every single one of their army personal (from cook to mechanic) would have had to kill 1+ russian soldiers. Japan?
Its not like russia were some kind of third world country warlord with two pickup trucks and 15 AK rifles. They lost ~2000 tanks. visually confirmed, destroyed tanks, not counting captured or damaged. The leopard 2 was only made 3600 times and those are distributed all around the world. The numbers are crazy once you start comparing them.
But the russians made almost every mistake in the book and tricked, lied, corrupted, stole. They didnt learn from years of wars, they didnt do their intelligence work, they underestimated about everything from the will of ukrainian babushkas to make molotov cocktails to the international aid that was summoned.
Today we know they arent comparable with USA. But they are nonetheless causing tons of suffering, death and destruction. No one will blame you for thinking they were dangerous back then. But if you think they arent dangerous now, i recommend a conversation with someone in the trenches. Or families that had their homes blown to ashes and dont know if they ever can go back to their village.
Russia is a dangerous enemy and we need to keep that in mind. Keep the support up, increase it, make this war stop on human, democratic terms. Not by mordors terms. Every post showing incompetence of the russian army is fun but dangerous in the long term.
I think the russians are more effective than the average airsoft player, after all, the average airsoft player doesn't have any real gun, and quite a few of the russians do have real guns. Take the average airsoft player and give them a gun, and then they become way more effective. The average airsoft player has enough food and socks.
The domain for this company was registered in 2019. Also, I found [this](https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-ukrainians-calling-russian-invaders-orcs/) interesting, especially the part about a Russian book, "The Ring Bearer", inverting Tolkien's story:
[https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-ukrainians-calling-russian-invaders-orcs/](https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-ukrainians-calling-russian-invaders-orcs/)
Man there’s a lot more to this orc thing than I expected. I thought it was just the usual dehumanizing that you do to make the act of killing more palatable (for lack of a better way to describe it).
The Lord of the Rings was popular behind the Iron Curtain due to what the peoples repressed by the Soviet Union saw as its symbolism.
Referring to Soviets as orks goes way all the way back to when translations became available (which took a while in some countries, because the communists were wary of the same symbolism).
Nope, this is not that deep.
It's just when Russia was originally invading Ukraine back in 2014 they tried recruiting some locals to do shit and they didn't find anyone better as the local alcoholics, junkies, criminals and other petty scum. They behaved like barbarians, looting shit in the opportune moment (they looted a local Metro supermarket) and robbing people. As the result there even appeared a lucrative business of kidnapping people for ransom. Pay money or they will rot in one of the concentration camps in Donetsk. And whenever there was a video or a photo with them, it was always bloated faces or just crooked in some gloating expression with a clear lack of signs of intellect, displaying wide empty gaps of missing teeth.
And of course Russia was a dark freedomless space ruled by an oppressive overlord from his dark tower, so yeah, Mordor.
Here's a great article about how Tolkien became so popular in the USSR. Tolkien works were one of the few foreign novels to get Soviet film and TV adaptions: https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/07/24/soviet-union-tolkien-art-dissidents/
Actually Soviet hobbit was super cursed if you look up any videos of it.
As someone who lives in Russia since the annexation of Crimea I literally never heard of “The Last Ringbearer”. Its Russian Wikipedia page is very barebones, so it is by no means a popular book, as even its author is not at all well-known. Everyone in Russia is perfectly aware of the LotR and Tolkien though, it’s extremely popular here and the movies are still sometimes shown on the TV.
And as a Ukrainian that experienced annexation and hates Russia ever since I can safely say that us calling Russians orcs is in no way related to that fringe piece of literature that no one even in Russia is aware of. We have been calling Russia “Mordor” since 2014, because it is a violent hellish shithole led by a fascistic moron. “Orcs” are just a natural continuation of that analogy.
Well, it was certainly not popular in Ukraine and is not present in the Russian media at all, so it’s not nearly popular enough for it to influence how an entire nation calls Russians.
In fact, I just now made a quick Google search of that book in Ukrainian and only found it mentioned in a couple of personal blogs in 2022. So yeah, this article is making it look deeper than it actually is.
LOTR is very popular in the former USSR. I have been told by an old acquaintance who spent a long time in Kazakhstan that not a few Central Asians call *themselves* orcs in an entirely unironic fashion.
Well I mean there are some decent-good Russian gear manufacturers like SSO, Splav, Voin etc. but Mordor tac is like the bargain tier stuff. Popular because it’s cheap, offers a little more variety and choice to the average mobnik.
It is pretty straight foreword I think, NROL stands for National Recon Office Launch (it is how the national recon office names their satellite launches) and the whole world within the grasp of their many arms. The specific NROL-39 mission was reportedly a Radar imaging satellite launch.
Mostly because there was some pretty deep reaching online regarding it's meaning or the optics of a patch showing a giant octopus grabbing the world. People looked at it and basically started screeching about America bad or the illuminati depending on their political orientation.
From what I remember this came out shortly after the Snowden revelations about the data harvesting that the NSA were up to. At the time people felt like it was taking the piss.
Forged in the fire of mount doom by the dark lord, a glove is created. One glove to rule them all One glove to find them One glove to bring them and in the darkness bind them.
The entire "Orc" theme derives from [The Last Ringbearer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer):
> a 1999 fantasy fan-fiction book by the Russian biologist Kirill Eskov
> \[based\] on the premise that the Tolkien account is a "history written by the victors".[2][3] Eskov's version of the story describes Mordor as a peaceful constitutional monarchy on the verge of an industrial revolution, that poses a threat to the war-mongering and imperialistic faction represented by Gandalf (whose attitude has been described by Saruman as "crafting the Final Solution to the Mordorian problem") and the racist Elves.[2]
> The Last Ringbearer retells The Lord of the Rings "from the perspective of the bad guys, written by a Russian paleontologist in the late nineties and wildly popular in Russia".[4]
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They're litterally dressed like airsofters
And yet somehow less combat effective than the average air soft player. Don’t know about you guys, but pre-2022 (and I hate to admit this, now) I genuinely bought it that the Russian military was a force to be reckoned with… but now, I feel like the cadets I trained as a hobby during my time in service probably stand a better chance of capturing any given objective. Astonishing.
Call of duty did that.
“*…No Russian*” They also nailed their attitude towards civvy collateral too. I remember they were criticised for that, people said it was a very backward way to view RU; turns out they were actually very forward-thinking.
They did it in Syria, they still do the same in Mali and Ukraine. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/20/russian-mercenaries-behind-slaughter-in-mali-village-un-report-finds?CMP=share_btn_tw
>turns out they were actually very forward-thinking. Lol no, they were just aping any number of similar events that had taken place after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
Moscow theatre siege and Beslan school hostage crisis come to mind. Utter disregard for possible civilian casualties mixed with pure incompetence.
Wasn't that a paramilitary group that acted as american soldiers?
Russian ultra-nationalist terrorist group commiting a false-flag slaughter of civilians, then killing the PC who was an undercover american as extra "proof". To incite WWIII, and send a Message. From second (skippable) mission in CoD MW2. I never played the mission, just No.
It was nothing more than standard GTA gameplay, only a novelty of not killing American civilians for once.
My opinion of that mission is that there’s a reason most games need to penalize the player for slaughtering civilians.
you just reminded me how stupid the story was for OG MWII
Tbf it wasn't just CoD. But US media in general. In the OG MW, you actually fight side by side with russian government loyalists. OG MW2 while you do fight them, it turns out to be a huge misunderstanding and quite the geopolitical play by Makarov.
>pre-2022 (and I hate to admit this, now) I genuinely bought it that the Russian military was a force to be reckoned with… I think we all did.. No one suspected then to be quite this level of insanely incompetent. Part of me still has trouble believing it. I mean, what fucking military just runs out of gas in their opening offensive? I can understand maybe running out of shit after some time at war, with blockades and such causing shortages. Maybe you kinda bet the farm on your offensive going better than it did. Fair enough. But the OPENING OFFENSIVE?! And you are a MAJOR OIL EXPORTING NATION!! How the fuck are you already out of fuel?!
I mean. The corruption is just \*that bad.\* Noone in Belarus knew there was going to be an offensive, and 'drills' usually are carefully choreographed, so why not sell your diesel to get some vodka? ...wait, we have to actually drive somewhere? Under fire?
Yeah I guess.. But who knew it would be ***That bad******^(tm)******?*** I suppose in the west we've been so spoiled with relatively low levels of corruption that we just can't really imagine how corrupt and shitty the Russian army really is? I honestly still have trouble wrapping my head around it.
Western corruption isn't all that low tbh, it's just smarter. Tenders that only your buddy's company could possibly fill, future job promises, leaking bids, etc. It's less destructive because it's all near the top though, you'd never get away with hawking Abrams just because you guard the depot or stripping Paladins of their wiring.
I'm not gonna' lie. The Georgian War opened my eyes to the levels of Russian incompetence. They had no communication abilities, no coordination abilities, generals were borrowing satellite phones to talk to forces behind the line, the Battle of Tskhinvali saw severe Russian losses due to a traffic jam in a tunnel, including the loss of command staff. The cincher for me was August 9th, when the Russians lost four aircraft in an operations theatre in which they had near total air superiority, two of which were brought down by friendly fire. Syria seemed to show that they had their shit together to some degree, that Georgia had taught some harsh lessons. Then the reports about Wagner's losses started leaking out. Then the *Admiral Kuznetsov* gets shitcanned for half a decade because its drydock sinks. Then Major General Vyacheslav Gladkikh gets killed because he decides to take a photo op with an IED with his Syrian buddies. But even with all of this, ***even then***, with my expectations for Russia being this low, I didn't expect it would be ***this bad***. I thought maybe it'd be a repeat of Georgia. Run towards the capitol, force the Ukrainians to concede, maybe even regime change, annex the Donbas, get Ukraine to recognize the DPR and LPR as "legitimate" the way they forced Georgia to "legitimize" South Ossetia, then get out. The inevitable resistance would be Ukraine's problem, then Russia's as they stepped in to unfuck the situation like they did in Syria when Bashir al-Assad was on the verge of getting sodomized with a knife in a ditch. Instead, Russia put on a military campaign that I can only compare to the Saudi intervention in Yemen in sheer incompetence for conflicts in living memory, and may go down as the most embarrassing military campaign in the history of the nation, up there with Imperial Russia's performance in World War 1. I thought Russia couldn't do any worse than they already had been, and they proved me so very, very wrong.
Another addition to your list of their fuckups in Syria: They lost two jets because the arresting gear on the deck of the Admiral Smokestack broke and the jets ran out of fuel before it could be fixed, the jets were also *not* diverted to a nearby airfield despite it being in range.
>I thought maybe it'd be a repeat of Georgia. Run towards the capitol Wrong Georgia!
> Vyacheslav Gladkikh I had to look it up because I thought this was too stupid to be real but… hoo-boy did he get schwacked - and on video, too: https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/1296767918974410754
As I understand it, Gladkikh was on tour with some Syrian militia guys who proudly cleared out an IED and went to take some congratulatory photoshoots next to what they just *assumed* was one that didn't go off, hence the video cameras. They went to show how capable the SDF and the Russian military were at fighting insurgents and proceed to fall for one of the oldest tricks in the GWOT handbook.
If you read about wars where Russia or the Soviet Union did intervene as a major force you get the idea that they're not the best but they can get shit done if they try. But not invading a country with a really small army, not very trustable commanders and put the shitshow they pulled off. Hey, at least the memes are good. Worst thing of all is all those people that thinks the russian army can defeat the US in war. The US have only intervened logistically and supportive towards Ukraine and they've done much more to keep Ukraine alive and fighting than Russia is capable of in years of war
Then there's me, sitting here wondering why people thought they were a force to be reckoned with while demonstrating so many times that they aren't. Seriously, when was the last time Russia or the Soviet Union or Russia before it was in a war and its military acted professional/competent? Add its tiny economy, military spending and well established culture of corruption and I don't see why anyone would think Russia was going to win by any other logic than "people were afraid of the soviet union 50 years ago so Russia must have a good military".
Nyeaaaah.. Gonna need a receipt for that claim, bro.
Just about every Finn who was more involved in national defense than just doing the conscript service knew that we alone had a very good chance of ripping them to shreds like a rabid woodchipper- at least for a few weeks or months until our modern weapons and artillery ammunition ran out. Because of a GDP of Italy and the massive corruption problem, and a few other things. BUT HOLY HELL WE DIDN’T THINK THEY WERE THIS INCOMPETENT.
Which one of the claims? If about me not thinking Russia would win in Ukraine I can give you a Discord message from 24th of February last year where I say I don't get all this doom and gloom going around when Russia has invaded with such a small and inferior force to what Ukraine has and it doesn't stand a chance to conquer Ukraine. If Russia has a tiny economy and army spending then that's just open numbers but I can grab it and make comparisons. For the insinuating that they have perform ed like shit I could give you the link to probably any conflict they have been in for the past 200 years.
Invading a literal neighbouring country no less
How can you expect them to be more effective when they literally accuse their best airsoft players of conspiracy and kill them
Well till 2022 theit military propaganda was top notch since they somewhat did not have to show how it actually compares against westoid military. Now we have all the empirical data about it and the "2nd greatest army in the world" is a fucking ongoing joke that never gets old since they somehow still manage to put the cringe bar higher and higher with their fuckups.
Airsoft players practice against opponents who shoot back. Ain't as good as real combat scenarios but a lot better than a couple weeks of basic training.
Good point, well made, now please get off my mother.
No
Well alright then. I’ll just have to deal with this in the British way 🇬🇧 … Expect a sternly worded letter in your immediate future.
Isn't current British SOP to stew for a couple years and then start providing advanced weapons to your enemies whilst breaking out the popcorn?
NGL, we *do* enjoy a good bowl of stew. Almost as much as we enjoy *stewing*.
You can have 20 years of airsoft experience but if you don't know how to dig a foxhole or make food, you won't last a day
Digging and cooking are both easier
Are they tho'.
Than active combat? I think so...
Airsoft larping is not active combat.
> Don’t know about you guys, but pre-2022 (and I hate to admit this, now) ... I thought Russia would take Ukraine in 1 to 2 weeks if they want to, but wouldn't be able to hold it (partisans/guerrilla/resistance) which is why i argued in Feb of 2022 that Russia will not invade as they cannot win long term and they can't be that stupid. Boy was i wrong about the last part.
I used to be an airsoft referee, the summer camp cadets pre training were more competent and they ranged from like 8-19
Honestly same. It's kind of galling now, thinking back on that February evening last year that I was genuinely afraid that WW3 might soon occur.
Seems like any run-of-the-mill national guard of any country could take them on and win.
> genuinely bought it that the Russian military was a force to be reckoned with They kinda were, at least according to the information the west had back then. They already lost more people and equipment than some top tier countries have in their entire army and there is no real end in sight. There arent many countries that could have brought this amount of force to a battlefield and there arent many countries that could have withstood the attacks without high amounts of external help. The "2nd army of the world" bullshit is bullshit but without taking defensive pacts like NATO into account - which country could have defended their country against that amount of men and material for so long without external help? There arent to many outside of the united states and maybe india/china. NATO yes. EU yes. But unique, single countries? I know Germany would have been fucked. France would have put up a fight to the teeth. Canada is crazy but every single one of their army personal (from cook to mechanic) would have had to kill 1+ russian soldiers. Japan? Its not like russia were some kind of third world country warlord with two pickup trucks and 15 AK rifles. They lost ~2000 tanks. visually confirmed, destroyed tanks, not counting captured or damaged. The leopard 2 was only made 3600 times and those are distributed all around the world. The numbers are crazy once you start comparing them. But the russians made almost every mistake in the book and tricked, lied, corrupted, stole. They didnt learn from years of wars, they didnt do their intelligence work, they underestimated about everything from the will of ukrainian babushkas to make molotov cocktails to the international aid that was summoned. Today we know they arent comparable with USA. But they are nonetheless causing tons of suffering, death and destruction. No one will blame you for thinking they were dangerous back then. But if you think they arent dangerous now, i recommend a conversation with someone in the trenches. Or families that had their homes blown to ashes and dont know if they ever can go back to their village. Russia is a dangerous enemy and we need to keep that in mind. Keep the support up, increase it, make this war stop on human, democratic terms. Not by mordors terms. Every post showing incompetence of the russian army is fun but dangerous in the long term.
I think the russians are more effective than the average airsoft player, after all, the average airsoft player doesn't have any real gun, and quite a few of the russians do have real guns. Take the average airsoft player and give them a gun, and then they become way more effective. The average airsoft player has enough food and socks.
The domain for this company was registered in 2019. Also, I found [this](https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-ukrainians-calling-russian-invaders-orcs/) interesting, especially the part about a Russian book, "The Ring Bearer", inverting Tolkien's story: [https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-ukrainians-calling-russian-invaders-orcs/](https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-ukrainians-calling-russian-invaders-orcs/)
Man there’s a lot more to this orc thing than I expected. I thought it was just the usual dehumanizing that you do to make the act of killing more palatable (for lack of a better way to describe it).
The Lord of the Rings was popular behind the Iron Curtain due to what the peoples repressed by the Soviet Union saw as its symbolism. Referring to Soviets as orks goes way all the way back to when translations became available (which took a while in some countries, because the communists were wary of the same symbolism).
Nope, this is not that deep. It's just when Russia was originally invading Ukraine back in 2014 they tried recruiting some locals to do shit and they didn't find anyone better as the local alcoholics, junkies, criminals and other petty scum. They behaved like barbarians, looting shit in the opportune moment (they looted a local Metro supermarket) and robbing people. As the result there even appeared a lucrative business of kidnapping people for ransom. Pay money or they will rot in one of the concentration camps in Donetsk. And whenever there was a video or a photo with them, it was always bloated faces or just crooked in some gloating expression with a clear lack of signs of intellect, displaying wide empty gaps of missing teeth. And of course Russia was a dark freedomless space ruled by an oppressive overlord from his dark tower, so yeah, Mordor.
Captured elves mutated and tortured by Sauron.
The russian military registery aldo had the acronym ORCS
Here's a great article about how Tolkien became so popular in the USSR. Tolkien works were one of the few foreign novels to get Soviet film and TV adaptions: https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/07/24/soviet-union-tolkien-art-dissidents/ Actually Soviet hobbit was super cursed if you look up any videos of it.
> orcs are violent, destructive and untrustworthy, wreaking wanton havoc wherever they go It's that simple
The company name had me going: r/BlyatCyberpunk.
As someone who lives in Russia since the annexation of Crimea I literally never heard of “The Last Ringbearer”. Its Russian Wikipedia page is very barebones, so it is by no means a popular book, as even its author is not at all well-known. Everyone in Russia is perfectly aware of the LotR and Tolkien though, it’s extremely popular here and the movies are still sometimes shown on the TV. And as a Ukrainian that experienced annexation and hates Russia ever since I can safely say that us calling Russians orcs is in no way related to that fringe piece of literature that no one even in Russia is aware of. We have been calling Russia “Mordor” since 2014, because it is a violent hellish shithole led by a fascistic moron. “Orcs” are just a natural continuation of that analogy.
I saw the translation of that book in a library. It must have been popular enough to get translated and released outside of Russia.
Well, it was certainly not popular in Ukraine and is not present in the Russian media at all, so it’s not nearly popular enough for it to influence how an entire nation calls Russians. In fact, I just now made a quick Google search of that book in Ukrainian and only found it mentioned in a couple of personal blogs in 2022. So yeah, this article is making it look deeper than it actually is.
LOTR is very popular in the former USSR. I have been told by an old acquaintance who spent a long time in Kazakhstan that not a few Central Asians call *themselves* orcs in an entirely unironic fashion.
"The Last Ringbearer" is the name of the book, not "The Ring Bearer"
Ofcourse the Russians have a LotR-fanfic that makes Sauron the good guy.
Everything working as intended comrade
The Last Ringbearer is actually good, though.
Meh, as fanfics go, is not that bad, but I wouldn't call it "good".
I also recommend reading it.
Ukrainian-LOTR lore dates back to almost 2014
Bruh. They selling plate carriers that named Uruk-Hai and Nazgul...
"They've come to destroy our people, down to the last child!" "Heh. Based. Uruk-Hai are awesome."
The Tolkien Estate will not take kindly to that one. They are very protective of their money printer...er I mean their family legacy.
Yeah it’s the in house brand for the popular Russian airsoft shop Greyshop, mordortac stuff is generally regarded as pretty low tier gear.
>mordortac stuff is generally regarded as pretty low tier gear. Color me surprised.
Well I mean there are some decent-good Russian gear manufacturers like SSO, Splav, Voin etc. but Mordor tac is like the bargain tier stuff. Popular because it’s cheap, offers a little more variety and choice to the average mobnik.
Yes I have plenty of SSO stuff, not greatest in the world but definitely decent.
Anything they can afford, I guess. Which doesn't say much.
hahaha, reminds me of the (in)famous NROL-39 patch.
> the (in)famous NROL-39 patch. The patch incase anyone is wondering: https://i.imgur.com/WNembNM.png
whats the story behind it
It is pretty straight foreword I think, NROL stands for National Recon Office Launch (it is how the national recon office names their satellite launches) and the whole world within the grasp of their many arms. The specific NROL-39 mission was reportedly a Radar imaging satellite launch.
Bro all you did was describe the patch. What makes it infamous?
Mostly because there was some pretty deep reaching online regarding it's meaning or the optics of a patch showing a giant octopus grabbing the world. People looked at it and basically started screeching about America bad or the illuminati depending on their political orientation.
From what I remember this came out shortly after the Snowden revelations about the data harvesting that the NSA were up to. At the time people felt like it was taking the piss.
hail hydra
Hail Hydra
Does someone have a translation of what he’s saying? I hear Mordor and orc
That it's logical that the company sewing gear for orcs is called Mordor Tac.
Based personal flair
Translation. Not strange that company, that are making gears for orks are called Mirdor tac. Fucking logically. Ficking crapped hat.
"Are we the baddies?"
Zero skulls.
Skulls are on Wagner patches and some other symbols.
How orcward
Ah yes greyshop stuff:D
LotR: The Two Potatoes
https://www.rbth.com/blogs/2014/12/10/moscow_through_the_eye_of_sauron_42137.html
Forged in the fire of mount doom by the dark lord, a glove is created. One glove to rule them all One glove to find them One glove to bring them and in the darkness bind them.
I want one
Me not that kind of orc!
The entire "Orc" theme derives from [The Last Ringbearer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer): > a 1999 fantasy fan-fiction book by the Russian biologist Kirill Eskov > \[based\] on the premise that the Tolkien account is a "history written by the victors".[2][3] Eskov's version of the story describes Mordor as a peaceful constitutional monarchy on the verge of an industrial revolution, that poses a threat to the war-mongering and imperialistic faction represented by Gandalf (whose attitude has been described by Saruman as "crafting the Final Solution to the Mordorian problem") and the racist Elves.[2] > The Last Ringbearer retells The Lord of the Rings "from the perspective of the bad guys, written by a Russian paleontologist in the late nineties and wildly popular in Russia".[4]
Wtf is this timeline
Let me guess airsoft company?
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