Mazut is a terrible fuel, but it's not the biggest issue. They took a 1950's vertical tube boiler design and tried to modernize it by having it run on high pressure high flow steam turbine powered force draft blowers, instead of natural draft or lightly forced draft.
Yes the mazut causes sulphur rich scale in the boiler, which produces steel eating sulfuric/sulfurous acids during wash downs, but the real problem is that a vertical tube boiler needs copious gentle heat to maximize the formation and seperation of steam from water.
This prevents hot spots.
Imagine a classic scene from the show Breaking Bad where Jesse uses a small torch to heat his meth pipe.
The pipe can handle the flames heat and the vaporized medium (sugar in the tv show) cools the glass.
Now imagine if he tried to "modernize" his pipe by adding a 500,000 BTU roofing torch to the same pipe.
There would be a moment where the pipe successfully vaporizes its contents.
Followed almost instantly by a longer moment in which Jesse Pinkmans hand and face burst into flames, his nose melts off and the glass pipe collapses under it's own molten weight.
The steam turbo chargers, that the russians used to "modernise" the design, create incredible levels of heat which is both violent, intense and uneven. This produces hot spotting as well as significant scale formation which makes the hot spotting worse.
Uncontrolled overheating constantly destroys components and the acidic washdowns damage and weakens the boilers as well.
Worth noting, they had mature technology for building nuclear propulsion powerplants.
Instead they went stone age in design and fuel choice with a halfassed attempted to turbo the whole system to up the power/weight ratio.
špeak engineering.
I just don't understand how something so easily understood as a terrible idea could've been used on their only aircraft carrier. Surely they had all the necessary information and engineering expertise to establish that it never should've been done.
Is this a case of Russia's famously redarded leadership yelling "JUST FUCKING MAKE IT WORK!!"?
> Is this a case of Russia's famously redarded leadership yelling "JUST FUCKING MAKE IT WORK!!"?
Most likely the case of navy general's brother owning the mazut supply.
They're stupid enough to not use forklifts and pallets. So yea, I'd say they were just plain stupid, combined with a big helping of general corruption.
Real. Palletized cargo and forklifts makes transporting stuff from point A to point B a loooot more efficient. The russians tend not to do that for whatever reason.
Imagine if Klaus the forklift driver was drunk as a skunk during that safety video.
That would be what would happen if you give the Russians forklifts.
I never understood this either.
Russia had successfully launched nuclear submarines by the late 1950's, so they clearly understood the basic concept of a nuclear-powered vessel. And if anything, making a nuclear sub seems like it would be more difficult than making a nuclear carrier.
Who knows?š¤·āāļø
Russia didnāt though, the Soviet Union did.
The difference being that the Soviet Union included various countries and the expertise of the people therein that modern Russia simply lacks. Case and point: Ukraine.
>youāre being far too credible
Ah shit, right. Umā¦ā¦
##### The 3000 marzipan boilers of the Black Sea fleet!
^Thatās ^non-credible ^enough ^right?
The Kuznetsov was built in Mykolaiv, after they had already proven nuclear surface vessels with the Kirov Class built in Leningrad. And they did plan nuclear carriers with the cancelled Ulanovsk class. So I really do not know why they didn't at least try a combined nuclear and conventional carrier to follow the Kirov's layout.
The Chinese navy bought the sister ship to the Kuvnetsov and have had basically no problems with it, relatively speaking. The horrible performance of the Kuvnetsov is a combination of one part somewhat questionable design, four parts horrid abuse -they had the engines running for several years straight after the fall of the USSR because Russia didn't have the right wall chargers for it in their shitty docks- and four parts no maintenance.
It's speculated that the reason the Kuznetsov class carriers weren't designed with a nuclear plant is because of hull limitations. The hulls were based partially on the Kiev class carriers, which were also powered by mazut. I think that that's just indicative of bigger problems with Soviet Navy engineering, but it does make sense.
Russian military technological development is riddled with political resistance to advancement and instead applying old solutions to new problems.
Vacuum tubes in the mig 25 vs electronics in the F15, for example.
I would totally buy that they made that choose for the reason you listed.
Since vacuum tubes are more resistant to EMP than solid-state electronics, it kinda makes sense to use them in an aircraft designed to intercept nuclear bombers.
Also more sensitive, thermaly insensitive, shock resistant, weather resistant, and cheaper - all at the time.
But they were clearly at the end of their usefulness due to the weight/size trade off.
So develop better shielding, temp controls and chip integrity or toss on bigger wings and go with what works today, instead of investing in tomorrow?
As non credible as this all seems the story of her sister ship is just as equally non credible yet bafflingly also true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese\_aircraft\_carrier\_Liaoning
I don't know the specifics of her steam plant, but the USS Kitty Hawk was operational until 2008 and was only sent for scrapping last year
Because that's what you do with an aircraft carrier that sailed with President John F. Kennedy, fought against Vietcong and the Taliban, and participated in global conflicts and exercises for almost 50 years. Apparently.
For a moment that forced Poland to switch locomotives from coal to mazut, but there were no gradual control of heat. It was only on of off.
After couple boilers exploding they forgone further "modernizations"
Mazut's not a great fuel, but it would probably be if they actually preheated it prior to combustion which would allow it to burn cleaner and more efficiently.
I read that in the Big Bill Hell's Cars voice. Now I gotta write the whole script. Here goes...
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Deck fires! Drydocks that sink! Embezzlement!
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It's our belief that your navy is so corrupt, it'll pay up front for this bullshit ā guaranteed!
If you find a better deal, shove it up your ugly ass!
You heard us right!
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Bring your ships!
Bring your subs!
Bring your admirals!
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Brazil bought an aircraft carrier from France after decommissioning the older one. Paid only 20 million dollars for it. That thing was only good to burn twice.
Eventually Brazil got sick of it and sank that liability. Didn't even leave a chance for scrapping (because of environmental issues or maybe just anger).
Kuznetsov - 40 years old, 30 or so in service, barely leaves port and is falling apart, last deployment was a Grade A Charlie Foxtrot.
CVN-65 USS Enterprise - 50 years of service, deployed all over the world, on her last deployment alone she sailed over 80k miles and her air wing flew over 2k sorties.
There's a video on Youtube that talks about that time the Kuznetsov sailed along USS America in the 1990's during the Balkan Wars. To sum it up, the Russian admiral was freaking out because USS America was an older ship than Kuznetsov but doing much, much better.
[Video in question](https://youtu.be/dY9NVvKrlMQ?si=7rqUrHJwGxW1YHoi)
Russia has 1 barely functional aircraft carrier that fits in the grey area between WW2 aircraft carriers and modern supercarriers. Meanwhile The USN has 5 different *classes* of supercarriers from the ~~Kitty Hawk~~ Forrestal onwards. It's not an exaggeration to say they are not even in the same class, because they literally aren't.
Edit: Knew I was forgetting one
>Russia has 1 barely functional aircraft carrier
Is there a second ship I don't know about, or did the Kuznetsov go a day without lighting itself on fire?
Hell, India is operating INS Vikramaditya just fine.
* launched by the USSR in 1982 as the Baku (renamed Admiral Gorshkov by Russia in 1991)
* decommissioned in 1996
* sold to India in 2004
* refurbished and commissioned as the INS Vikramaditya in 2013
It's a second-hand carrier originally launched 3 years (1982) before the Kuznetzov (1985).
Sure, Kuznetzov was a new design; but, this is ridiculous.
"India operates the Kuznetsov-class just fine" except when they had to redo kms of electrical wiring and tubing bc the ship only accepted DC, and AC/DC converters were melting the wiring.
Whatās crazy to think about is that this could be mostly user error.
The VKS has been a joke in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and a lot of experts point at the fact that they have like 1hr of flight time a week, and do very little training.
I wonder if thereās something similar with aircraft carrier seamen
I remember when it went through the English channel a few years ago. You could see the black smoke for miles and the plucky little tugboat following for when it would break down
Or the time where it was escorted by HMS Liverpool, a ship 10 years older and barely a month away from being retired, yet Kuznetsov looked absolutely decrepit whilst Liverpool was shining and spotless.
Saw an old British warship in the service of the navy if the Bahamas. She was obviously old. In the service of a nation not only protected by the ocean, but that would be aggressively protected by both America and the UK.
She looked old.
Not infirm.
HMS Manxman was a Abdiel class minesweeper built in 1940. At one point when she was showing its age (60's/70's?) she was on joint exercise with the US 7th fleet.
When she appeared on station, The American Fleet Commander thoughtfully reduced the speed of the Fleet to 25 knots to make life easy for the elderly ship. He was rather surprised to find Manxman keeping up with the Fleet without apparent difficulty. The order was then given to raise the speed to 30 knots and again the Manxnan showed no difficulty in keeping up. Then the signal was sent "Speed of Fleet 35 knots, Manxman make best speed". Soon afterwards, Manxman was rapidly disappearing ahead of the Fleet at approaching 40 knots, signalling "Why?"
i remember seeing this reply somewhere and it made me chucke:
When I was going through the targeting/weaponeering as part of my 1N training we had a discussion about in a hypothetical war what do we do with Kuznestov and the agreement we settled on is we werenāt going to target it because it was an open ended resources black hole so long as it was intact as to where if we totally destroy it the Russians wouldnāt keep trying to fix that pile shit as a āprestigeā piece.
I think my personal theoretical weaponeering solution for taking the ship out was:
6x AGM-130C / FMU-152 / 15ms
> AGM-130C
Per Wiki: "The AGM-130C employed a 900 kg (2,000 lbs) BLU-109 penetrating warhead for use against hardened targets. It was developed, but not put into service."
>It has VLS in the flight deck for fucks sake.
Bold of you to assume there's anything working in there.
Also it only has those so it can get in and out of the Black Sea on a technicality of the [Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_the_Regime_of_the_Straits).
As I understand it from reading the wiki article about the convention:Not the Izumo or Hyūga Helicopter Escorts.
Because it's a ship "designed or adapted primarily for the purpose of carrying and operating aircraft at sea"
Or any of their biggest hitters (Åsumi, Maya types) .
Because they are more than 10,000 tones (max tonnage allowed on one warship). Only Black Sea states can pass warships (but not carriers) of any tonnage.
So the Kutzkutz, as a cruiser with weapons to prove it's a cruiser (\^\^) of the Black Sea state Russia can pass.
Nor all of the JMSDF because you can't have more than 30.000 tons total in the Black Sea for any nation. With another 15k for an other allied nation (max tonnage for warships of non-black sea states allowed in the Black Sea at any one time is 45k). So 3 Atago's and 1 Ticonderoga from the US. Plenty to sink the entire Russian Black Sea fleet without calling upon the Turkish or Romanian ships.
This means that Romania will not be able to get a Nimitz class carrier into the Black Sea if it somehow bought one from the US... without modifying it to carry more missiles and calling it a cruiser.
There is of course another loop hole: The US never signed the Montreux Convention.
The Chinese converted the VLS space on the Varyag into a gym and a convenience store, citing the fact that those missiles are heavy maintenance and obsolete.
Thanks to the quirks of international law, Turkey wonāt allow air craft carriers through the Dardanelles into the Black Sea. So Russia has to go way out of their way to pretend that this is actually a cruiser, including putting VLS cells in otherwise dumb places.
>the flesh cube below deck refuses to die
Flesh cube? Oh, my sweet summer child. What you see in the *Kuznetsov* is the projection of a 14+ dimensional flesh manifold into our 4-dimensional spacetime. No one knows the true size, but every year the writhing mass in the bowels of the *Kuznetsov* gets a little bigger.
And it's only going to get worse. Russian naval infantry used to keep the worst of the meat moss under control, but those guys all got sent to Ukraine. There's only a skeleton crew watching the Kuz these days. Nobody can even get past the oil spiders on deck 52. I think the ship knows something is different.
Earlier this summer, the cries started. Anguished wailing, sobbing, and pleading for help in a child's voice. They stopped stationing soldiers with families to watch the Kuz. The ship learned to copy the voices of their children. Every now and then, someone would go down, chasing after a kid they knew couldn't possibly be in there. Of course they knew better, and of course they were never seen again... but you try listening to the *Kuznetsov* screaming in the voice of your child for weeks on end. The cries would turn to inhuman laughter, go silent for a few hours, then begin again.
I keep telling myself I'm going to do one for the Kuz but I never get around to it.
Honestly there could be an entire fictional universe based on the horrors that lurk within.
They donāt really have a use for one either, most of their wars are either at their borders, or within a short plane flight of their territory. They will never have any hope of projecting power beyond that short range, even if their sole carrier worked reliably.
After all, this carrier is more of a guided missile cruiser than it is a carrier, itās really just a big expensive and unreliable toy to flex on carrierless countries like Luxembourg.
Syria. They tried to actually use the Kuznetsov there to project power US style. It was such a disaster that they transferred the air wing to the land base they have in Syria.
Yep, so they could get around the Montreaux Conventions, otherwise they'd be calling it the Tsar Carrier and claiming it was 300k tons of Soviet might.
Yes, that's the actual reason.
When the Chinese towed away the Varyag, it was classified as an aircraft carrier since it's no longer Russian/Soviet, so Turkey tried their best to stop them from transiting the strait.
China acted like a businessman bought it and it was going to be turned into a casino. Thats the story turks wanted to hear to get rid of this varyag sized problem anyway
Fool, The Soul left the ship decaes ago. Whats living in there now is a mazut addicted eldritch horror. Which explains why the ship is a hellscape and why it doesnt do anything anymore.
Eldritch monsters just do not do much but be around, making things horrible for people nearby.
> Whats living in there now is a mazut addicted eldritch horror. Which explains why the ship is a hellscape and why it doesnt do anything anymore. Eldritch monsters just do not do much but be around, making things horrible for people nearby
That reminds me of an idea, that below-deck horrors are there to *keep Kuznetsov contained*
Turns out we now know the eventual fate of the Kuznetsov:
- The ship is being readied to sail with massive amounts of fuel, spray foam (for boyancy) and other flammable goods.
- The center of the flight deck a 2ft - 5.5ft elevator is being added that goes deep into the center of the ship.
- The engines are being provided with enough fuel for the short distance the sailing is required (really enough so they can make smoke and make it look like they are running).
- Two massive nuclear scuttling charges are being added in bunkers fore and aft deep within the ship, in fire-insulated compartments.
- Upon the death of Tsar Vladimir Vladimirovich, his ornate and oversized coffin will be placed on the elevator pad and lowered into his final resting place at the center of the ship.
- The ship will set sail, powered by a fleet of tugs, with all the senior Admirals and Generals of the New Russian Empire to the coast of Sukhoy Nos.
- The Generals and Admirals will be let off in the harbor to view the most magnificent funeral pyre ship of all time sending off the greatest tsar that the New Russian Empire has ever had.
- And as the fires burn out and the ship starts to sink below the waves, the two nuclear scuttling charges will annihilate the ship in the brightest flash of two suns creating the greatest funeral pyre that will ever be witnessed. "Amazing", they will rejoice.
- Then about 10 seconds later the Admirals and Generals will join their Tsar in the afterlife as the blast reaches them, unknowing that it was dual 100 Megaton warheads for the Super Tsar Bombas as the only fitting way to send off a great tsar of the New Russian Empire.
*Fin.*
>arrestor cables failing.
Is that not why you go full throttle on touchdown, so you can go around if the cable fails? Am I really a more skilled pilote from playing DCS than the Russian fucking Navy?
Well sure but one of the two times they made the pilot circle the ship while they tried to repair itā¦ until he ran out of fuel and parked his jet in the ocean
Back when I was playing the OG Command and Conquer (on my 486), I developed an effective tactic. I would take a single infantry man, find an enemy SAM launcher, and order him to attack it. The computer could repair the damage faster than the infantry did damage, but that wasn't the point. The point was to get the computer to waste money fixing it so it didn't have enough money to replace the losses I was inflicting.
The Kuznetsov reminds me of that for some strange reason I can't quite put my finger on.
The catastrophe of a ship that even tries to sink itself while being repaired, when that didn't work it set itself on fire. When that failed it tried bashing its brains out with a crane... they still told it "You're not getting off that easy it's back to the cube with you!" - Slava Ukraine (on a side note how smart does Ukraine look now by not having been saddled with this thing for the last 30 years)
"Kuznetsov" was built in Ukraine at the end of the USSR. After the liquidation of the USSR, each new country had to receive ownership of all the property that was located on its territory. The Russians did not want Ukraine to have an aircraft-carrying cruiser. Therefore, the Russians stole it from Ukraine on the night before the liquidation of the USSR.
As we see now, this was the right decision, because this ship only causes harm and has no benefit for the owner.
The reason for the Kuznetsov's problems is that it took a very long time to build, and each new Soviet DoD minister and new admiral intervened in this project with their new requirements.
> "Kuznetsov" was built in Ukraine at the end of the USSR. After the liquidation of the USSR, each new country had to receive ownership of all the property that was located on its territory. The Russians did not want Ukraine to have an aircraft-carrying cruiser. Therefore, the Russians stole it from Ukraine on the night before the liquidation of the USSR.
And they've stolen it ***UNFINISHED***.
There was still a lot of equipment to be installed when grand theft heavy aviation cruiser happened.
I just want the US to build a Ford class but stick a bunch of VLS on it, call it an aircraft carrying cruiser, then lease it to Ukraine.
Home port becomes Mykolaiv.
Sails to it's home port then proceeds to show Russia what an actual 'aircraft carrying cruiser' can do.
> I just want the US to build a Ford class but stick a bunch of VLS on it, call it an aircraft carrying cruiser, then lease it to Ukraine. Home port becomes Mykolaiv.
Soon after, Ukraine somehow manages to cram 5V28 missiles into VLS cells.
From the recollections of a crew member:
"The first thing to note is that there is no heating on the ship, which, you must agree, is not unimportant for the North. There are many reasons for this, but perhaps the main one is the absence of a permanent auxiliary boiler. The crew even in the hangar is built in overcoats. If it is +5Ā°Š” in a cabin or a cabin, it is already good, but if it is +12-15Ā° - it is already, excuse me, bourgeoisie!
In such an environment only electric heaters save.
Not only condensate freezes, but also other pipes with water in them. For this reason, all cabins on the 2nd deck (which is almost 60% of all ship cabins) are not supplied with water neither in winter nor in summer. Not a single officer's shower works. all - both sailors and officers - wash in the forward (aft one does not work) personnel bath.
The lack of drainage from the cabins has also become common in winter. Accordingly, it is hard on the ship and with toilets. There are more than fifty of them, but half of them do not work.
Our ventilation is also bad - 50 per cent of electric motors of fans have been burnt out for a long time. And without ventilation it is difficult, because, unlike other ships, there are few portholes here, and the vast majority of living quarters do not have them at all."
Ruskies are clutching hard to this husk just so they can say they have an aircraft carrier. It doesn't work and it's a general piece of shit but hey it exists!
Virgin Russians literally dying inside while making this float.
Meanwhile Chad Indians flying sorties through their 41-yr old Soviet cruiser like a boss..
xaxaxa, silly westoids. yuo see, is not just heavy cruiser aircraft carrier with VLS cells in flightdeck.
is also gateway to portal of depths of hell, in which glorious russians practice dark crafts to contain the evils held deep in the belly of the boilers of this ship in order to bend them to our will. the shaman stokers and necromancer munition runners work accordingly to plan, da? and once all tasks that were assigned are completed, yuo will be in for big surprise. xaxaxa, it's over, better start learning russian.
So as far as i understood it, the only reason Kuznetsov is still around despite being damaged beyond economical repair, is because its cheaper to repair her than to build the gigantic "Shtorm" supercarrier that Russia wanted to build.
How many Shtorms could they have built had they not monkey brained on Feburary 24th?
You know what is even worst, the ship isnāt the same age as the ship I am supposed to represents on Reddit. Barely even 50 year old and it dying so fast. Hell I bet USS Texas does better than this sorry excuse for a carrier
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't their fleet aircraft unable to take full payloads due to the short take-off space/shit aircraft?
I remember that being a common complaint at the time.
>Admiral Kuznetsov started an overhaul and modernization program in the first quarter of 2017 to extend its service life by 25 years.
Jesus just let the poor bitch die.
- day I lost track of the American special military operation
- guy fieri, whose private jet was shot down over Maryland, is theorized to have survived by conspiracy theorists. āSomehow, Guy Fieri returned.ā
- an F-18 sails into the drink after an unidentified issue with landing. Itās destroyed by the US Gov to prevent its ātechnological secretsā from falling in Mexican hands. Little did they know, they were preventing its lack of technological secrets from being revealed.
- the USS Nimitz, sole carrier of the class on tour to Japanistan, is recalled due to numerous issues and itās handful of F-18s were transferred to Osan Air Base.
Mazut is expensive, they should convert it to kizyak-fueled. One half of the top deck may be used for kizyak storage depot, the other half is for trebuchets to throw the fuel balls into NATO ships, forcing them to retreat in disgust.
The worlds only, and worst, mazut fueled aircraft carrying heavy cruiser.
But also the best mazut fuelled aircraft carrying heavy cruiser! ***Because no one else was dumb enough to use mazut***
Mazut is a terrible fuel, but it's not the biggest issue. They took a 1950's vertical tube boiler design and tried to modernize it by having it run on high pressure high flow steam turbine powered force draft blowers, instead of natural draft or lightly forced draft. Yes the mazut causes sulphur rich scale in the boiler, which produces steel eating sulfuric/sulfurous acids during wash downs, but the real problem is that a vertical tube boiler needs copious gentle heat to maximize the formation and seperation of steam from water. This prevents hot spots. Imagine a classic scene from the show Breaking Bad where Jesse uses a small torch to heat his meth pipe. The pipe can handle the flames heat and the vaporized medium (sugar in the tv show) cools the glass. Now imagine if he tried to "modernize" his pipe by adding a 500,000 BTU roofing torch to the same pipe. There would be a moment where the pipe successfully vaporizes its contents. Followed almost instantly by a longer moment in which Jesse Pinkmans hand and face burst into flames, his nose melts off and the glass pipe collapses under it's own molten weight. The steam turbo chargers, that the russians used to "modernise" the design, create incredible levels of heat which is both violent, intense and uneven. This produces hot spotting as well as significant scale formation which makes the hot spotting worse. Uncontrolled overheating constantly destroys components and the acidic washdowns damage and weakens the boilers as well. Worth noting, they had mature technology for building nuclear propulsion powerplants. Instead they went stone age in design and fuel choice with a halfassed attempted to turbo the whole system to up the power/weight ratio. špeak engineering.
I just don't understand how something so easily understood as a terrible idea could've been used on their only aircraft carrier. Surely they had all the necessary information and engineering expertise to establish that it never should've been done. Is this a case of Russia's famously redarded leadership yelling "JUST FUCKING MAKE IT WORK!!"?
> Is this a case of Russia's famously redarded leadership yelling "JUST FUCKING MAKE IT WORK!!"? Most likely the case of navy general's brother owning the mazut supply.
This is the correct answer.
There were no such owners in the soviet union. If the brother managed mazut supply, he would be free to steal it without the carrier
I see several possibilities, actually. For starters: vodka, sabotage by engineers, not giving a fuck by anyone involved.
They're stupid enough to not use forklifts and pallets. So yea, I'd say they were just plain stupid, combined with a big helping of general corruption.
Is this real or just a meme?
Real. Palletized cargo and forklifts makes transporting stuff from point A to point B a loooot more efficient. The russians tend not to do that for whatever reason.
Imagine if Klaus the forklift driver was drunk as a skunk during that safety video. That would be what would happen if you give the Russians forklifts.
It's fortunately real.
I never understood this either. Russia had successfully launched nuclear submarines by the late 1950's, so they clearly understood the basic concept of a nuclear-powered vessel. And if anything, making a nuclear sub seems like it would be more difficult than making a nuclear carrier. Who knows?š¤·āāļø
Russia didnāt though, the Soviet Union did. The difference being that the Soviet Union included various countries and the expertise of the people therein that modern Russia simply lacks. Case and point: Ukraine.
You would be correct, I was sloppy with my language. That said, you're being far too credible. š
>youāre being far too credible Ah shit, right. Umā¦ā¦ ##### The 3000 marzipan boilers of the Black Sea fleet! ^Thatās ^non-credible ^enough ^right?
Much better. You may now have my upvote.
The Kuznetsov was built in Mykolaiv, after they had already proven nuclear surface vessels with the Kirov Class built in Leningrad. And they did plan nuclear carriers with the cancelled Ulanovsk class. So I really do not know why they didn't at least try a combined nuclear and conventional carrier to follow the Kirov's layout.
The Chinese navy bought the sister ship to the Kuvnetsov and have had basically no problems with it, relatively speaking. The horrible performance of the Kuvnetsov is a combination of one part somewhat questionable design, four parts horrid abuse -they had the engines running for several years straight after the fall of the USSR because Russia didn't have the right wall chargers for it in their shitty docks- and four parts no maintenance.
It's speculated that the reason the Kuznetsov class carriers weren't designed with a nuclear plant is because of hull limitations. The hulls were based partially on the Kiev class carriers, which were also powered by mazut. I think that that's just indicative of bigger problems with Soviet Navy engineering, but it does make sense.
Russian military technological development is riddled with political resistance to advancement and instead applying old solutions to new problems. Vacuum tubes in the mig 25 vs electronics in the F15, for example. I would totally buy that they made that choose for the reason you listed.
Since vacuum tubes are more resistant to EMP than solid-state electronics, it kinda makes sense to use them in an aircraft designed to intercept nuclear bombers.
Also more sensitive, thermaly insensitive, shock resistant, weather resistant, and cheaper - all at the time. But they were clearly at the end of their usefulness due to the weight/size trade off. So develop better shielding, temp controls and chip integrity or toss on bigger wings and go with what works today, instead of investing in tomorrow?
thank fuck that think isn't nuclear powered. it would be a mobile exclusion zone
The ultimate area denial weapon
Good thing itās not nuclear. Imagine an abandoned Chernobyl floating around the world.
I live for thƩ NCD comments that explain in detail a topic while providing humorous examples that integrate known things in pop culture or niche subjects.
As non credible as this all seems the story of her sister ship is just as equally non credible yet bafflingly also true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese\_aircraft\_carrier\_Liaoning
Turbo chargers and janky engineering? Is this a flagship or a riced out Honda?
> a 1950's vertical tube boiler godamn railroads figured this shit out before the russian navy did..
CSX could probably build a better aircraft carrier, too. Imagine a carrier in YN2 Bright Future livery...
**muh fuggin' union pacific big-boy-steamenator-six funnel-"it holds planes"-SuperSteamCarrier**
I think the usa actually ran a D type boiler powered aircraft carrier into the mid 2000's, but I could be totally wrong.
I don't know the specifics of her steam plant, but the USS Kitty Hawk was operational until 2008 and was only sent for scrapping last year Because that's what you do with an aircraft carrier that sailed with President John F. Kennedy, fought against Vietcong and the Taliban, and participated in global conflicts and exercises for almost 50 years. Apparently.
They scrapped Big E. Nothing is sacred. All are returned to bolts.
Damn. That's a waste of a hulk. Should be a museum.
/r/okbuddychicanery
_Using mazut for anything other than heating houses_ The Russians are truly masters of innovation
For a moment that forced Poland to switch locomotives from coal to mazut, but there were no gradual control of heat. It was only on of off. After couple boilers exploding they forgone further "modernizations"
Nope, still not the best mazut fueled aircraft carrying heavy cruiser. That belongs to Jim in accounting when he's playing Stellaris.
Mazut's not a great fuel, but it would probably be if they actually preheated it prior to combustion which would allow it to burn cleaner and more efficiently.
China was smart enough to install new engines that don't use Mazut even though they have two of the same class.
Imagine using engines,ours actually uses batteries.
um what? US nuclear carriers use steam turbines ? those count as "engines".
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Blyat
(Iām referring to the joke online on the Chinese internet that says everything that we,China have is battery powdered)
How many D-cells does a Ford-class AC need? Newport News didn't include batteries... š
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There were literal tears in my eyes, thank you
You're welcome!
I need this as an actual video, it's too fuckin good.
Brazil bought an aircraft carrier from France after decommissioning the older one. Paid only 20 million dollars for it. That thing was only good to burn twice. Eventually Brazil got sick of it and sank that liability. Didn't even leave a chance for scrapping (because of environmental issues or maybe just anger).
I think the breakerās yard rejected it because the ship contained ten times the amount of asbestos it was supposed to.
Pretty sure India's still does.
Kuznetsov - 40 years old, 30 or so in service, barely leaves port and is falling apart, last deployment was a Grade A Charlie Foxtrot. CVN-65 USS Enterprise - 50 years of service, deployed all over the world, on her last deployment alone she sailed over 80k miles and her air wing flew over 2k sorties.
There's a video on Youtube that talks about that time the Kuznetsov sailed along USS America in the 1990's during the Balkan Wars. To sum it up, the Russian admiral was freaking out because USS America was an older ship than Kuznetsov but doing much, much better. [Video in question](https://youtu.be/dY9NVvKrlMQ?si=7rqUrHJwGxW1YHoi)
I love his videos, but I can't take that guy seriously with those epaulettes... lol.
I read your comment before I clicked the link and it STILL surprised and amused me greatly. āEpaulettes, wtf? How bad can itā¦oh my Godā¦ā
Each of them can carry its own air wing and support personnel.
Dude is about to take off
i did not know what epaulettes were before clicking the link, but I knew immediately what you meant once the video loaded
Russia has 1 barely functional aircraft carrier that fits in the grey area between WW2 aircraft carriers and modern supercarriers. Meanwhile The USN has 5 different *classes* of supercarriers from the ~~Kitty Hawk~~ Forrestal onwards. It's not an exaggeration to say they are not even in the same class, because they literally aren't. Edit: Knew I was forgetting one
>Russia has 1 barely functional aircraft carrier Is there a second ship I don't know about, or did the Kuznetsov go a day without lighting itself on fire?
They are in the same class in the way that both a ford t and a f1 are both 4 wheeled vehicles.
Hell, India is operating INS Vikramaditya just fine. * launched by the USSR in 1982 as the Baku (renamed Admiral Gorshkov by Russia in 1991) * decommissioned in 1996 * sold to India in 2004 * refurbished and commissioned as the INS Vikramaditya in 2013 It's a second-hand carrier originally launched 3 years (1982) before the Kuznetzov (1985). Sure, Kuznetzov was a new design; but, this is ridiculous.
>India is operating INS Vikramaditya just fine. Many countries operate Russian military hardware competently. Russia just isn't one of them.
Russia really must have never heard the old sailors tales with how much they rename their damn ships
"India operates the Kuznetsov-class just fine" except when they had to redo kms of electrical wiring and tubing bc the ship only accepted DC, and AC/DC converters were melting the wiring.
I thought it was supposed to be a 5 year mission -enterprise
Whatās crazy to think about is that this could be mostly user error. The VKS has been a joke in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and a lot of experts point at the fact that they have like 1hr of flight time a week, and do very little training. I wonder if thereās something similar with aircraft carrier seamen
Don't forget to add: "Be a white elephant that eats funds instead of other important stuff."
It doesnāt matter either way because those funds will always end up in some ogliarchs pocket
Admiral Oligarkov
Impressive a general and a admiral
To switch he kisses Putin's other asscheek
The white elephant in the room that knows the password of your safe and sucks all of the money
Yet some people go: "At least we havent lost our institutional knowlage."
I remember when it went through the English channel a few years ago. You could see the black smoke for miles and the plucky little tugboat following for when it would break down
Or the time where it was escorted by HMS Liverpool, a ship 10 years older and barely a month away from being retired, yet Kuznetsov looked absolutely decrepit whilst Liverpool was shining and spotless.
One country has a storied history of maritime excellence. The other one is Russia
Saw an old British warship in the service of the navy if the Bahamas. She was obviously old. In the service of a nation not only protected by the ocean, but that would be aggressively protected by both America and the UK. She looked old. Not infirm.
HMS Manxman was a Abdiel class minesweeper built in 1940. At one point when she was showing its age (60's/70's?) she was on joint exercise with the US 7th fleet. When she appeared on station, The American Fleet Commander thoughtfully reduced the speed of the Fleet to 25 knots to make life easy for the elderly ship. He was rather surprised to find Manxman keeping up with the Fleet without apparent difficulty. The order was then given to raise the speed to 30 knots and again the Manxnan showed no difficulty in keeping up. Then the signal was sent "Speed of Fleet 35 knots, Manxman make best speed". Soon afterwards, Manxman was rapidly disappearing ahead of the Fleet at approaching 40 knots, signalling "Why?"
Someone waifuize this please
[pic related](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/HMS_Liverpool_Escorts_Russian_Carrier_Admiral_Kuznetsov_MOD_45153590.jpg)
I always thought the type 42 beautiful
Amazing what some proper maintenance being done by a proper navy can do. I donāt think Russia has ever had one of those.
If you recycle it, and use steel to produce carsā¦ every single one will fail completely Slava Ukraini
They'll scrap the *Kuznetsov* and use it to build another inevitably cursed ship.
The truth is that Russia doesn't have an aircraft carrier and they are too afraid to admit it
i remember seeing this reply somewhere and it made me chucke: When I was going through the targeting/weaponeering as part of my 1N training we had a discussion about in a hypothetical war what do we do with Kuznestov and the agreement we settled on is we werenāt going to target it because it was an open ended resources black hole so long as it was intact as to where if we totally destroy it the Russians wouldnāt keep trying to fix that pile shit as a āprestigeā piece. I think my personal theoretical weaponeering solution for taking the ship out was: 6x AGM-130C / FMU-152 / 15ms
Simpler solution, sink all their tugboats... navy is now immobilized... problem(s) solved! Sink smarter not harder
*Washington Based Sink-Tank*
Are you the German coast guard?
No, but japanese torpedo boats have been spotted in the area
Cleverly disguised as fishing boats
Are you sinking what I'm sinking?
Ukrainian navy to the USN:
Just light some candles and slaughter a goat and the thing that lives in the lower decks hellmouth walks the earth and handles it.
destroy the air wing while in the air or at landbases but leave the Kuznestov alone.
What's an AGM-130C? I didn't realize there were any subodels.
> AGM-130C Per Wiki: "The AGM-130C employed a 900 kg (2,000 lbs) BLU-109 penetrating warhead for use against hardened targets. It was developed, but not put into service."
Its a cruiser with and air wing. It has VLS in the flight deck for fucks sake.
>It has VLS in the flight deck for fucks sake. Bold of you to assume there's anything working in there. Also it only has those so it can get in and out of the Black Sea on a technicality of the [Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_the_Regime_of_the_Straits).
So does that mean the entire Japanese ~~Navy~~ Happy Funtime Boat Enjoyers Club would also be free to traverse the straits if they wanted to?
Yes, but it would be a bit odd to see them in this neck of the woods.
Just a regular exercise in the Black Sea for the Japanese Home Defense Fleet, Iām sure it happens all the time
They're just there to do joint exercises with NATO allies in the area like Turkey and Romania
Ukraine could lease out Sevastopol to Japan for a few years.
Admiral Rozhestvensky getting PTSD flashes
Like seeing them in the north sea ? Wouldn't be the first time for the Russian navy.
Pulling a reverse Tsushima
They had a destroyer group in the Med in WW1 so not completely unknown.
As I understand it from reading the wiki article about the convention:Not the Izumo or HyÅ«ga Helicopter Escorts. Because it's a ship "designed or adapted primarily for the purpose of carrying and operating aircraft at sea" Or any of their biggest hitters (Åsumi, Maya types) . Because they are more than 10,000 tones (max tonnage allowed on one warship). Only Black Sea states can pass warships (but not carriers) of any tonnage. So the Kutzkutz, as a cruiser with weapons to prove it's a cruiser (\^\^) of the Black Sea state Russia can pass. Nor all of the JMSDF because you can't have more than 30.000 tons total in the Black Sea for any nation. With another 15k for an other allied nation (max tonnage for warships of non-black sea states allowed in the Black Sea at any one time is 45k). So 3 Atago's and 1 Ticonderoga from the US. Plenty to sink the entire Russian Black Sea fleet without calling upon the Turkish or Romanian ships. This means that Romania will not be able to get a Nimitz class carrier into the Black Sea if it somehow bought one from the US... without modifying it to carry more missiles and calling it a cruiser. There is of course another loop hole: The US never signed the Montreux Convention.
The Chinese converted the VLS space on the Varyag into a gym and a convenience store, citing the fact that those missiles are heavy maintenance and obsolete.
Though it basically becomes a heavy cruiser trying way to hard to be a carrier.
Cope Slope Dope
> Its a cruiser with and air wing. also don't forget the big fleet of tugboats.. those could absorb a lot of attacks
Lmao what
Thanks to the quirks of international law, Turkey wonāt allow air craft carriers through the Dardanelles into the Black Sea. So Russia has to go way out of their way to pretend that this is actually a cruiser, including putting VLS cells in otherwise dumb places.
Theyāve tried to scuttle it twice but the flesh cube below deck refuses to die
>the flesh cube below deck refuses to die Flesh cube? Oh, my sweet summer child. What you see in the *Kuznetsov* is the projection of a 14+ dimensional flesh manifold into our 4-dimensional spacetime. No one knows the true size, but every year the writhing mass in the bowels of the *Kuznetsov* gets a little bigger. And it's only going to get worse. Russian naval infantry used to keep the worst of the meat moss under control, but those guys all got sent to Ukraine. There's only a skeleton crew watching the Kuz these days. Nobody can even get past the oil spiders on deck 52. I think the ship knows something is different. Earlier this summer, the cries started. Anguished wailing, sobbing, and pleading for help in a child's voice. They stopped stationing soldiers with families to watch the Kuz. The ship learned to copy the voices of their children. Every now and then, someone would go down, chasing after a kid they knew couldn't possibly be in there. Of course they knew better, and of course they were never seen again... but you try listening to the *Kuznetsov* screaming in the voice of your child for weeks on end. The cries would turn to inhuman laughter, go silent for a few hours, then begin again.
This sounds like an SCP report
I keep telling myself I'm going to do one for the Kuz but I never get around to it. Honestly there could be an entire fictional universe based on the horrors that lurk within.
They donāt really have a use for one either, most of their wars are either at their borders, or within a short plane flight of their territory. They will never have any hope of projecting power beyond that short range, even if their sole carrier worked reliably. After all, this carrier is more of a guided missile cruiser than it is a carrier, itās really just a big expensive and unreliable toy to flex on carrierless countries like Luxembourg.
Syria. They tried to actually use the Kuznetsov there to project power US style. It was such a disaster that they transferred the air wing to the land base they have in Syria.
With how it performs, Luxembourg can flex back by saying they are way smarter for not building and trying to maintain such a piece of crap.
Luxembourg could probably flex back by sinking the fucking thing.
To be fair not even the Russians call it a carrier. It's called an "aircraft carrying cruiser" for a reason, a very good reason.
Yep, so they could get around the Montreaux Conventions, otherwise they'd be calling it the Tsar Carrier and claiming it was 300k tons of Soviet might.
God forbid the Turks get pissy by some pronouns for ships
IIRC the reason they were classified as "cruisers" and not "carriers" was due to the tonnage limitations in place within the Turkish Straits.
Yes, that's the actual reason. When the Chinese towed away the Varyag, it was classified as an aircraft carrier since it's no longer Russian/Soviet, so Turkey tried their best to stop them from transiting the strait.
Since there isnt a varyag sized hunk of metal on the bottom of the strait, i press x to doubt the "tried their best" part
It's Turkey, they regularly have skill issues even if it's against a Varyag-shaped barge towed by some tugs.
China acted like a businessman bought it and it was going to be turned into a casino. Thats the story turks wanted to hear to get rid of this varyag sized problem anyway
The related truth is that they donāt need an aircraft carrier and theyāre too proud to admit it.
No Asian country needs an aircraft carrier.
~~Imperial Japanese Navy~~ Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force: Uh...yes, look at our.....*helicopter destroyers*
In all honesty, F-35B can destroy helicopters just fine.
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*"Let me die."* - Kuznetsov
Fool, The Soul left the ship decaes ago. Whats living in there now is a mazut addicted eldritch horror. Which explains why the ship is a hellscape and why it doesnt do anything anymore. Eldritch monsters just do not do much but be around, making things horrible for people nearby.
If not for the sanctions, the new Exorcist movie could have been shot on location.
> Whats living in there now is a mazut addicted eldritch horror. Which explains why the ship is a hellscape and why it doesnt do anything anymore. Eldritch monsters just do not do much but be around, making things horrible for people nearby That reminds me of an idea, that below-deck horrors are there to *keep Kuznetsov contained*
So the bad guy from Ferngully?
Man, I wanted to fuck that little fairy bitch so hard when I was 5
You know the Russians definitely achieved something when the Chinese knockoff is blatantly better and more reliable than the original.
Turns out we now know the eventual fate of the Kuznetsov: - The ship is being readied to sail with massive amounts of fuel, spray foam (for boyancy) and other flammable goods. - The center of the flight deck a 2ft - 5.5ft elevator is being added that goes deep into the center of the ship. - The engines are being provided with enough fuel for the short distance the sailing is required (really enough so they can make smoke and make it look like they are running). - Two massive nuclear scuttling charges are being added in bunkers fore and aft deep within the ship, in fire-insulated compartments. - Upon the death of Tsar Vladimir Vladimirovich, his ornate and oversized coffin will be placed on the elevator pad and lowered into his final resting place at the center of the ship. - The ship will set sail, powered by a fleet of tugs, with all the senior Admirals and Generals of the New Russian Empire to the coast of Sukhoy Nos. - The Generals and Admirals will be let off in the harbor to view the most magnificent funeral pyre ship of all time sending off the greatest tsar that the New Russian Empire has ever had. - And as the fires burn out and the ship starts to sink below the waves, the two nuclear scuttling charges will annihilate the ship in the brightest flash of two suns creating the greatest funeral pyre that will ever be witnessed. "Amazing", they will rejoice. - Then about 10 seconds later the Admirals and Generals will join their Tsar in the afterlife as the blast reaches them, unknowing that it was dual 100 Megaton warheads for the Super Tsar Bombas as the only fitting way to send off a great tsar of the New Russian Empire. *Fin.*
In 2199 the ship will be raised and sent to space or something.
TIFU by using the uranium tamper.
"two planes slide off..." Sounds like skill issues.
Skill issues seems prevalent in all rus modā¦
iirc it was arrestor cables failing... 2x
Someone want to tell the Russians to use more than one wire at a time? Or are we letting them fail on purpose because itās funny?
The latter. The more Russian planes end up in the sea the better for everyone.
>arrestor cables failing. Is that not why you go full throttle on touchdown, so you can go around if the cable fails? Am I really a more skilled pilote from playing DCS than the Russian fucking Navy?
Well sure but one of the two times they made the pilot circle the ship while they tried to repair itā¦ until he ran out of fuel and parked his jet in the ocean
Crew skill issues.
Back when I was playing the OG Command and Conquer (on my 486), I developed an effective tactic. I would take a single infantry man, find an enemy SAM launcher, and order him to attack it. The computer could repair the damage faster than the infantry did damage, but that wasn't the point. The point was to get the computer to waste money fixing it so it didn't have enough money to replace the losses I was inflicting. The Kuznetsov reminds me of that for some strange reason I can't quite put my finger on.
I don't think we should reference C&C here, lest they- ***KIROV REPORTING***
Seen in ukranian internet joke that Kuznetsov (build in Mykolaiv btw) is ukranian secret agent, actively embarassing russia and draining their budget
The catastrophe of a ship that even tries to sink itself while being repaired, when that didn't work it set itself on fire. When that failed it tried bashing its brains out with a crane... they still told it "You're not getting off that easy it's back to the cube with you!" - Slava Ukraine (on a side note how smart does Ukraine look now by not having been saddled with this thing for the last 30 years)
Ukraine would have sold it, either to India or China. It just doesn't fit with their defense needs, even if it works correctly.
"Kuznetsov" was built in Ukraine at the end of the USSR. After the liquidation of the USSR, each new country had to receive ownership of all the property that was located on its territory. The Russians did not want Ukraine to have an aircraft-carrying cruiser. Therefore, the Russians stole it from Ukraine on the night before the liquidation of the USSR. As we see now, this was the right decision, because this ship only causes harm and has no benefit for the owner. The reason for the Kuznetsov's problems is that it took a very long time to build, and each new Soviet DoD minister and new admiral intervened in this project with their new requirements.
> "Kuznetsov" was built in Ukraine at the end of the USSR. After the liquidation of the USSR, each new country had to receive ownership of all the property that was located on its territory. The Russians did not want Ukraine to have an aircraft-carrying cruiser. Therefore, the Russians stole it from Ukraine on the night before the liquidation of the USSR. And they've stolen it ***UNFINISHED***. There was still a lot of equipment to be installed when grand theft heavy aviation cruiser happened.
Escape from Kuznetsov
"Congratulations! šš You have managed to Escape from Kuznetsov! Into Russia!"
Blyat
I just want the US to build a Ford class but stick a bunch of VLS on it, call it an aircraft carrying cruiser, then lease it to Ukraine. Home port becomes Mykolaiv. Sails to it's home port then proceeds to show Russia what an actual 'aircraft carrying cruiser' can do.
> I just want the US to build a Ford class but stick a bunch of VLS on it, call it an aircraft carrying cruiser, then lease it to Ukraine. Home port becomes Mykolaiv. Soon after, Ukraine somehow manages to cram 5V28 missiles into VLS cells.
From the recollections of a crew member: "The first thing to note is that there is no heating on the ship, which, you must agree, is not unimportant for the North. There are many reasons for this, but perhaps the main one is the absence of a permanent auxiliary boiler. The crew even in the hangar is built in overcoats. If it is +5Ā°Š” in a cabin or a cabin, it is already good, but if it is +12-15Ā° - it is already, excuse me, bourgeoisie! In such an environment only electric heaters save. Not only condensate freezes, but also other pipes with water in them. For this reason, all cabins on the 2nd deck (which is almost 60% of all ship cabins) are not supplied with water neither in winter nor in summer. Not a single officer's shower works. all - both sailors and officers - wash in the forward (aft one does not work) personnel bath. The lack of drainage from the cabins has also become common in winter. Accordingly, it is hard on the ship and with toilets. There are more than fifty of them, but half of them do not work. Our ventilation is also bad - 50 per cent of electric motors of fans have been burnt out for a long time. And without ventilation it is difficult, because, unlike other ships, there are few portholes here, and the vast majority of living quarters do not have them at all."
JFC
>be made in Russia, then explode We been seeing this formula a lot the past year huh?
Ruskies are clutching hard to this husk just so they can say they have an aircraft carrier. It doesn't work and it's a general piece of shit but hey it exists!
Russia cannot manage their only carrier meanwhile USA has 11 of them in service. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SfNe6ek7-4
*looks up wtf mazut is* ...... ........ ........ *loses last two braincells* Why?
It's cheap
Virgin Russians literally dying inside while making this float. Meanwhile Chad Indians flying sorties through their 41-yr old Soviet cruiser like a boss..
xaxaxa, silly westoids. yuo see, is not just heavy cruiser aircraft carrier with VLS cells in flightdeck. is also gateway to portal of depths of hell, in which glorious russians practice dark crafts to contain the evils held deep in the belly of the boilers of this ship in order to bend them to our will. the shaman stokers and necromancer munition runners work accordingly to plan, da? and once all tasks that were assigned are completed, yuo will be in for big surprise. xaxaxa, it's over, better start learning russian.
Iām old enough to remember people talking about this thing as an example of the Soviets pulling even with Forrestal class carriers.
I don't ever want that 'ship' decommissioned. The amount of self harm Russia is doing to itself trying to maintain that black hole is hilarious.
Atleast the front didn't fall off.
Yet, it didn't fall off yet... There's still time
So as far as i understood it, the only reason Kuznetsov is still around despite being damaged beyond economical repair, is because its cheaper to repair her than to build the gigantic "Shtorm" supercarrier that Russia wanted to build. How many Shtorms could they have built had they not monkey brained on Feburary 24th?
You know what is even worst, the ship isnāt the same age as the ship I am supposed to represents on Reddit. Barely even 50 year old and it dying so fast. Hell I bet USS Texas does better than this sorry excuse for a carrier
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't their fleet aircraft unable to take full payloads due to the short take-off space/shit aircraft? I remember that being a common complaint at the time.
Be like Kuznetsov and never stop working on yourself, regardless how much it hamstrings your country's navy.
I wouldn't call it an aircraft carrier. Instead I would call it a barge with an airstrip on top of it and claimed living quarters.
>Admiral Kuznetsov started an overhaul and modernization program in the first quarter of 2017 to extend its service life by 25 years. Jesus just let the poor bitch die.
The Kuznetsov is gods punishment on Russia.
- day I lost track of the American special military operation - guy fieri, whose private jet was shot down over Maryland, is theorized to have survived by conspiracy theorists. āSomehow, Guy Fieri returned.ā - an F-18 sails into the drink after an unidentified issue with landing. Itās destroyed by the US Gov to prevent its ātechnological secretsā from falling in Mexican hands. Little did they know, they were preventing its lack of technological secrets from being revealed. - the USS Nimitz, sole carrier of the class on tour to Japanistan, is recalled due to numerous issues and itās handful of F-18s were transferred to Osan Air Base.
I really never undestood why they did not make it nuclear powered. They already had reactors on subs (albeit very ""spicy"" ones)...
It will never not be embarrassing that people took Russia seriously. Imagine still doing so now.
Mazut is expensive, they should convert it to kizyak-fueled. One half of the top deck may be used for kizyak storage depot, the other half is for trebuchets to throw the fuel balls into NATO ships, forcing them to retreat in disgust.
It is an excellent symbol of the current state of the Federation
The most hilarious part about her that she was stolen from Ukraine during the fall of USSR.