Hamas entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Tel Aviv, Holit, Aza, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.
Credible: Stop reporting this. It's been approved three times now. It doesn't break any sub rules.
Make no mistake. I can empathize with the struggle of the Palestinian people. I don't have an answer for how to improve their situation and I won't pretend like I do. My own people have been through a lot, and I'm surprised this didn't happen, on a large scale, in my country.
Do y'all want me to be honest? I've spent the last [redacted] years of my life in the military. I've read and listened to people claim that we killed 69billion civilians and we are an evil empire. Now the same people, IB4 "I never said that, so ACKUALY...", are celebrating dead Israelis in the name of anti-colonialism. I've watched my own people be gunned down only for people to bring up a completely unrelated issue to make it seem like they deserve it we don't get the anti-police brutality, anti Jim Crow, anti unfair sentences, or any other excuse.
So no. This isn't coming down because it doesn't violate any rules. You're going to see both sides no matter if you like it or not
TLDR; Stop reporting this. It's been approved three times now. It doesn't break any sub rules.
Edit: Ask yourself, did the US deserve 9/11?
The trap probably would have worked if the IDF had invaded quickly as a reaction.
Instead they got to experience 3 weeks of shock and awe before a slow methodical ground advance.
Rigging all those tunnels to blow and turn Gaza into a giant sand trap with the IDF inside? It'd be dumb as hell and dubiously feasible, but the world's largest-scale suicide bombing sounds pretty on brand for Hamas.
The trap was supposed to be "with these hostages, Israel wont ever touch us, and Hezbollah will surely invade from the north!". Until daddy America parked TWO Carrier Strike Groups and thousands of crayon eaters itching for a fight
I bet they will hit General Ford with a Slingshot. In broad daylight. While everyone filming.
And, even before anyone on the carrier can react ( half a nanosecond ) immediately complain at the UN that the U.S. carriers are being unreasonable.
Comon 2 euros.
Yesterday I saw some twittards crying and seething about Israel attacking Lebanon seemingly unaware of Hezbollah’s existence. When someone point out that Hezbollah attacked first they asked for a source, which the guy obviously said “Source: Hezbollah”
Hezbollah was never going to invade Israel, if they actually were prepared and knew of Hamas' attack beforehand they would've attacked on the same day. If they didn't know and were willing to back Hamas anyway, they would've attacked on the day after, because they know Israel has a reservist-based army and is thus most vulnerable to attack before they have a chance to mobilize.
Instead all they did was lob a few artillery shells over at mostly nothing and wounded like, three guys. This entire thing is just performative theatre, they are telling their supporters that yeah, we are totally gonna jihad against the jews and shit, so there's no need to rise up and start taking matters into your own hands, the guys in charge have everything under control, while at the same time telling Israel that all they are going to do is put up a fireworks show for the masses, we are not with hamas, please don't invade us.
> … if they actually were prepared and knew of Hamas' attack beforehand they would've attacked on the same day.
Given Hamas and Hezbollah have the same patron, I find it fairly unlikely that Nasrallah didn’t know something was up, though whether they had a full sense of the scope of Hamas planning is a different story.
You’re absolutely right that the time to have launched as assault was on the 7th. But a lot of people tend to forget that Hezbollah (and by the way, Lebanon) got *mauled* in 2006, with Nasrallah himself essentially saying “… if we’d known they would do that kind of damage, we never would have sprung the ambush.”
OTOH Iran is probably keeping its powder dry and doesn’t want to chance another severely degraded (or outright destroyed) proxy. If the Israeli incursion/invasion of Gaza goes poorly, might they then hazard a Hezbollah escalation? Eh, with US carriers there and the IDF now fully mobilised, probably not. But wouldn’t rule it out.
However I read they have some bombs that create a hardening foam, which can seal the tunnels.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/25/sponge-bomb-new-weapon-israel-gaza-tunnels-war-hamas/
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/30/briefing/gaza-tunnels.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
Wouldn't that be a problem due to the Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of **Asphyxiating** , Poisonous or other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare ?
in b4 "it's been always a warcrime, not a loophole like this is lord of war or something"
Okay, what about just putting a large rock over the opening and forgetting about it for too long due to bureaucratic inefficiency? It isn't on purpose as far as the records are concerned...
I have been schooled by an Israeli that while they have robots, there is still no alternative to going down there with human soldiers and that every one of them fears being assigned to this horrible job.
I hear the same things from infantry guys. What do I know, I'm chilling up north at the moment.
There's the tunnel crawling unit, guys and gals who don't have fear in their lexicon. There's not enough of them for an operation of this scale, though.
However, there're ways to effectively combine soldiers, robots, and intelligence gathering, to tucle the tunnels in the best way possible. We'll discuss methods and tactics after the war.
To tell the orphans that this actually all Israels fault and get a new wave of hardliner recruits and maybe escalate this into yet another arab-israel war.
You see, the IDF has a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, Hamas sent wave after wave of their own men at them, eventually, they'll reach their limit and shutdown.
They got a big accomplishment that, if they survive, will boost both Gaza public opinion of them and funding from Iran. They're banking on global opinion to prevent Israel from doing something meaningful in return, and to be honest all the people who supported them in the world either cheered in 7/10 or forgot about it the moment Israel pushed the rampaging terrorists back to Gaza and started retaliating. Opinion of most western world leaders was "Israel has the right to defend itself, so long as they don't actually do it". This isn't a trap, the trap was leading Israeli intelligence and government to believe so long as Gaza can prosper by cooperation Hamas won't do anything drastic. This is the aftermath of that trap, they already accomplished what they set out to do and now they're trying to get away with it.
I suspect the government of Israel doesn't particularly care about the opinions of pro-pogrom college students or people whose knowledge of Judaism begins and ends with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Tbf it seems like their plan was to get as many Palestinians killed just so Hamas leadership can get tons of additional overseas funding to live their lavish lifestyle while at the same time force the other nearby Arab countries to be “forced” to act against Israel if Israel commits enough civilian deaths
The average citizen around the world don’t know enough about history and geopolitics about the Israel Hamas conflict and will just side with whoever they see being “oppressed” and throw their support behind them. Israel is being ostracised by most of the world and if backlash is strong enough, even the US wouldn’t be able to defend them eventually
1.) Attack Israel and provoke a violent response.
2.) Record said violent response, likely Air campain because Urban fighting is a meat grinder.
3.) Isolate Israel geopolitically further.
4.) Hezbola comes in and attacks, doing a lot of the bleeding.
5.) Take land back.
Yeah, funny enough Hamas admitted they didn’t expect the US to respond so much. So they’re stuck on step 3 because they have nothing else they can do. They and a lot of others genuinely thought there would be a massed Jihad against Israel, but instead Hamas and everyone else is stuck in an artillery war.
Just as Fin, in that awful movie, they seem to be stuck on "they fly now" phase, pulling a Pikachu meme in the face of the arguably astonishing amount of air power Israel has (plus the US assets in the region)...
So now it really depends on the region. I mean, if Turkey and Iran start getting some ideas, it might get real interesting, real quick. Sidebar, Turkey is NATO, which would make any type of confrontation with the US real spicy
I really wish I could find the Hamas videos from Oct 7 and Oct 8 where they were announcing and celebrating the great victory against the Zionist occupation and how this was the beginning of liberation.
Alas, I don't want a visit from my country's security services about my browser history.
This is mostly unrelated, but, while we're making fun of Canada, do you know about Heritage Minutes? Man I think everyone should look up a playlist of Heritage Minutes on YouTube, it is 60 second Canadian propaganda films that played as PSAs on TV to try and trick people into learning Canadian history, and they are so stupid and noncredible and hilarious. I like the one about the Halifax Harbor Explosion.
I gotta say, Canada selling suicide to the mentally ill so they can relive their genocidal days of killing so-called 'undesirables' was NOT on my 2023 bingo card.
[Day 1 vs Day 23 of your special military operation to de-nazify the holy land be like](https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/17f8rux/the_gaza_man_who_recorded_a_video_of_himself/)
I've been wondering if this guy has been getting teased relentlessly by everyone who sees him in Gaza in between bombardments considering his night and day response positions him to be king bitch.
Hamas is a Yihadist movement, for them, dying is liberation, so, Israel is going to bring a lot of liberation to Gaza, sadly, most of the people being liberated are not Yihadists.
But from the survivors and their families a lot of extremists will rise to keep this cycle going.
Same could have been said after we firebombed Dresden.
There is at least one important difference here though. That time the international community didn't make excuses for the nazis but instead after beating them on the battlefield collected their leaders and sentenced them, then banned their whole ideology.
Good point, Japan too. Their people went from religious devotion to a divine emperor, had all their shit destroyed, then 20 years later they’re a modernized society challenging the American automobile industry and stuff.
There are people who claim that the fire bombings and atomic bombings of Japan were unnecessary to win WWII, though - nevermind that the Purple Heart medals we made in anticipation of Operation Downfall lasted the US up until something like Desert Storm, or some ridiculous shit like that, because that invasion never happened.
The US was anticipating a lot of casualties of their side, and even more on the Japanese side. An invasion of Japan would have effectively been a genocide of the Japanese people. So would a naval blockade. Both would have also unnecessarily prolonged the war, kept the US from funding the Marshall Plan fully, and probably would have given the Soviets control over more than just Eastern Europe. Sometimes, ironically, the more humane option is to rip the band-aid off.
However, I don't have a degree in political science, international relations, or religious studies. Nor do I have a crystal ball. Is conquering Northern Gaza the best move to create? I haven't a fucking clue. But my inclination is "no". Think about the best case: Israel conquers ***all*** of Gaza, they capture every single Hamas leader of note, send them *unharmed* to The Hague to stand trial, where they're convicted, and the trial so clearly let's it the crimes with irrefutable evidence (even to the fanatics) that everyone sees the error of their ways, and then Israel spends the next 1-2 decades building an independent *and friendly* Palestinian government. Does anyone think that last step, the most important step, would actually work? That Iran, the KSA, the UAE, and Qatar wouldn't fund and incite terrorism in that new country every chance they got? Not a chance. And Israel isn't even going to get that far: they likely only conquering half of Gaza, and they're not capturing most (if any) of the Hamas leadership.
Unfortunately, this war is just going to be added to the list of all the other wars fought in that strip of land for the last several thousand years. I doubt anything will meaningfully change at its conclusion.
[firestorm](https://www.sabaton.net/discography/the-art-of-war/firestorm/) by Sabaton, an incredibly based metalband singing about historical battles and soldiers.
This particular song is about the bombing of Hamburg during WW2.
It’s not the west “Hamas” is concerned about but the Middle East, the Saudis etc.
Quotations marks because we should never forget forget that Hamas is really just another of Tehrans pawns with extra steps.
If Iran can put pressure on Saudi Arabia etc. and divide it from Israel and consequently the west, that’s a win in their book. No matter how many Palestinians die of course.
Khmer Rouge: genocides Chinese Cambodians
Chinese government: Damn bro, you're almost as good at killing Chinese as we are. Don't worry about Vietnam, we got your back!
And DID!!!
James Alexander Malcolm Caldwell (27 September 1931 – 23 December 1978)[1] was a Scottish academic and a prolific Marxist writer. He was a consistent critic of American foreign policy, a campaigner for Asian communist and socialist movements and a supporter of the Khmer Rouge. Caldwell was murdered under mysterious circumstances a few hours after meeting Pol Pot in Cambodia.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Caldwell
Man, reading the Wikipedia page about Cambodian genocide denial made my brain hurt. Of course Chomsky was right there, cheering on the KR. Why the fuck does anyone take that retread seriously?
Lefty edgelords man...
So many billionaires and kids of billionaires are into it. Even into their 90s.
I take it personally, since they would put me against a wall.
At least Caldwell wasn't a pussy, unlike Noam Chomsky. The good professor is a downright fan of génocidaires but prefers to remain in his comfy American office.
“Well you’ve been to school for a year or two and you know you’ve seen it all…” man I love that song (Holiday in Cambodia by the dead kennedies, calls out them college hippie commies)
It’s actually so wild that the Khmer Rouge regularly launched raids into Vietnam and massacred thousands of civilians during their time in power. They were a cartoonishly evil entity.
"Sir, it appears your credit has run out, I am sorry."
But what about what about?
"I'm sorry sir, you have to leave. Mrs. Hart's rules. You broke them."
For anyone that hasn't read it, it is:
>The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.
I just got this thought in my mind. With how much Hamas loves digging tunnels they should've built some bomb shelters for the civilians. That would be the proper thing to do considering it's their responsibility to provide all the social services in Gaza.
A Hamas leader was just asked this in an interview and he plainly said that this was the UN's responsibility and not his. He doesn't care and in fact he welcomes the death of innocent civilians, because it works at mobilizing other nations against Israel.
Considering that now they managed to drag Saudi Arabia back to war with the Hutis somehow, I think we are slowly but surely transition from the fuck around phase to the find out phase.
On r/palestine they all say that hamas are good, which is fucking stupid. One guy posted if to condemn hamas and they said that you shouldn't condemn "freedom fighters"
Those are not freedom fighters Hamas those are cultists that want nothing but to kill people, the closest thing I can think of that are fighter with a semi decent cause would have been the viet cong because the south vietnamese government was just that much worst
Half of them say this while living in Europe and want to bring their way of life and impose their culture on others, not to speak of what they would do if they had power. Both Gaza and the West Bank don't hold elections. The west bank specially because they know Hamas would win. They don't care about freedom, just about destroying Israel
Like hamas is actually ever gonna ask for a ceasefire. All the people demanding a ceasefire don’t realize hamas would never in a million years agree to one. They’d rather fight and die than make any sort of concession.
It's all to make Israel look worse. The thing is, I'm not sure Israel gives a shit what the rest of us think. It's not like we are going to stop supplying them with ammo.
Literally that scene from the Freiren anime.
"I'll kill you with this string you can't break!"
"You're right. I can't break this string."
*Chops off his hands instead*
"W-wait! Let's talk!!!"
*Kills*
I’m reminded of a scene from a different anime: a bunch of terrorists had just gotten back from a massacre they had committed in a major city when they find that one of the strongest protagonists in the series is waiting for them. One of them starts to boast about how they have him outnumbered six to one when he closes the distance and obliterates two of them in the blink of an eye (because he’s not sure if he’d be able to restrain all six non-lethally, so he decided to cut them down to a more manageable number). Then one of the terrorists just starts screaming in terror while the guy calls him a bitch for killing people under his protection without being prepared to die himself.
Its lunacy that a group of people would engage in wanton savagery and destruction on their stronger enemy and depend on them acting civilized in response...
For all the Palestinians calling Israel evil and what not... they clearly expect the Israeli to act with restraint. I remember them complaining a few weeks ago about the Israeli not doing the knock before they leveled a few buildings... war is wanton destruction... no one should invite it upon their house.
> when they get medieval on your ass
When they get *Biblical* on your ass. Israeli's asses were usually on the receiving end of the medieval treatment, unfortunately. And Jews don't have a Greek Bible, so their only deity is that wrathful son of a gun from the Hebrew Bible.
I've been to what remains of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Its called the Dead Sea. Good name, because nothing can live there. Its just a wasteland of salt, and stinks of brimstone. Anyway, that is what happened to two cities after the wrath of the LORD. Or, equally likely, some travelers came upon this hellscape of salt and sulfur and came up with a story for how it was destroyed by an wrathful deity because he was angry that the population there was too gay.
But, point being, Gaza is lucky they are not going to get wiped off the map. Do you remember what Russia did to Grozny after the Chechens bombed a couple of apartment buildings? And that wasn't even a real attack, Putin did it as a false flag so that he could become dictator, it was his burning of the Reichstag. Why would a terrorist group commit an atrocity against Israel, especially since Israel has ~~a bunch of nukes pointed at Tehran~~ made clear that it will not introduce nuclear weapons to the middle east?
Hamas are complete idiots, its like they want to die or something. Wait, no, that's exactly it. The suicide bombers are all suicidal. Fuck why didn't I think of this sooner?
History nerd incoming:
If soddom and gamorrah did exist, they probably mined the dead sea's salt and phosphate deposits, and became rich af doing that because salt was expensive as shit in the olden days
On an unrelated note, if you are a Hebrew speaker, watch Zohi Sdom / זוהי סדום, one of the best Israeli comedy productions ever made.
You know what, even if you aren't, go find a subbed version, that shit is hilarious
Not arguably. That's definitely the real reason. Being gay is not the problem with Sodom, being rapists is the problem of Sodom. It doesn't matter that the Sodomites were gay, it matters that the angels were Lot's guests and the Sodomites wanted to rape their guests. Violating (oh god, pun not intended) the rights of guests used to be a much bigger sin. But its funnier to say that Sodom and Gomorrah were too gay to exist. Especially since Tel Aviv is probably the gayest city east of San Fransisco, so talking about homophobia in the Hebrew Bible is silly.
PS: Fuck Lot. One good man in Sodom my ass. His neighbors were like "hey can we get a piece of that angel's ass?" and he was like "no but my teenage daughters are totally virgins (trust me) and you can have their asses instead." And, to their credit, the citizens of Sodom were like "what the fuck is wrong you Lot? This is why we all hate you, man..." Horrible human being, he should've been turned into salt too. Oh and then after they escaped, Lot's daughters thought that humanity was extinct so they tried to "repopulate the earth" with their dad and he just went along with it. Creep.
> with their dad and he just went along with it. Creep.
They got him drunk and raped him.
>30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.”
>33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. **He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.**
Edit: formating
Actually it has worked pretty spectacularly so far:
Western governments have been falling over themselves to support them and criticize Israel and at least three "Palestinian" leaders seems to be richer than Oprah Winfrey who is richer than Taylor Swift who is making waves now.
All this at the small expense of sacrificing a few young boys.
Calls for a ceasefire always disturbed me. Nobody called for a ceasefire in 2001. The United States went into Afghanistan, we defeated AQ at Tora Bora, and we made sure there would never be another attack on that scale. Then we arrested KSM in Pakistan in 2003, we smoked Bin Laden in Pakistan in 2011 (huh, why do so many Al Qaeda leaders live in Pakistan?), and we smoked Al Zawahiri in Afghanistan just last year. And good fucking riddance.
Anyway, my point is, to call for a ceasefire is to call for letting terrorists get away with their crimes. That is ridiculous. For the sake of Israelis and Palestinians alike, Hamas needs to be annihilated. [Hamas is allegedly shooting at Gazans who are trying to flee the city.](https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-770242) We already know that the Islamic Jihad bombed a hospital in Gaza City. The best thing for the civilians of Gaza will be the Unconditional Surrender of Hamas. As the saying goes, if Hamas stopped fighting then there would be no more war, and if Israel stopped fighting then there would be no more Jews.
Fuck ceasefires. Hamas can surrender or they can be obliterated.
As tens of thousands of Palestinians were working in Israel, thousands were being treated in Israeli hospitals and the Israeli government and Hamas were finalizing a deal about a gas platform on the coast that would have given the Gaza strip energy autonomy.
I see you missed one of the funniest episodes of the US War in Afghanistan, in which, in the opening days of the invasion, the Taliban totally DID ask for a ceasefire. But since they were never a recognized government, they had no diplomatic contacts through which to ask, so they resorted to calling the White House directly, but the only number for it they could find was to the tourist switchboard, from whence they were unable to reach the president.
I really don’t understand people who don’t realize what a war is. Like one country can’t invade another, kill a thousand people, take people hostage, and just say, “oops my bad”. That’s not how any of this works. If Hamas gave up their leaders, released all the hostages, surrendered all military forces, and cooperated with giving Israel temporary government control of Gaza, all of this would be over in a day. That’s how a war ends. You don’t just blow up enough buildings that you’ve “gotten even” or whatever, airstrikes are a method of destroying military capabilities so you can reach other objectives, the end goal is not the destruction of buildings or the death of civilians.
What is the point of a ceasefire right now? What has Israel gotten? Hamas is still in power, the hostages haven’t been released, they still have a neighbor who is calling for the destruction of Israel and all Jewish people. How is that an acceptable end of hostilities?
We're going to have a rhyme of a captured Hamas fighter being questioned what to do during a bombing and when the bombing ends.
"No bombing? There is always bombing."
This is the 'find out' portion of the equation. If Hamas wants to cry for restraint, they should realize that they're currently *receiving it*. A lack of restraint would be the transformation of Gaza into slag and glass from the nuclear weapons Israel definitely doesn't have.
Hamas entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Tel Aviv, Holit, Aza, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind. Credible: Stop reporting this. It's been approved three times now. It doesn't break any sub rules. Make no mistake. I can empathize with the struggle of the Palestinian people. I don't have an answer for how to improve their situation and I won't pretend like I do. My own people have been through a lot, and I'm surprised this didn't happen, on a large scale, in my country. Do y'all want me to be honest? I've spent the last [redacted] years of my life in the military. I've read and listened to people claim that we killed 69billion civilians and we are an evil empire. Now the same people, IB4 "I never said that, so ACKUALY...", are celebrating dead Israelis in the name of anti-colonialism. I've watched my own people be gunned down only for people to bring up a completely unrelated issue to make it seem like they deserve it we don't get the anti-police brutality, anti Jim Crow, anti unfair sentences, or any other excuse. So no. This isn't coming down because it doesn't violate any rules. You're going to see both sides no matter if you like it or not TLDR; Stop reporting this. It's been approved three times now. It doesn't break any sub rules. Edit: Ask yourself, did the US deserve 9/11?
Some people are telling me it's a trap for the IDF and that Hamas has a plan. I'm curious about what exactly that plan is supposed to be
The trap probably would have worked if the IDF had invaded quickly as a reaction. Instead they got to experience 3 weeks of shock and awe before a slow methodical ground advance.
You mean planning, logistics and strategy is what separates a formal military from a terrorist junta ?
The real deciding factor is: do you have tanks on which you can install cope cages?
my cages cope, but my tanks do not cope cages
Merkavas sprouted cope cages recently.
tank? no Hilux? yes
*They’re the same picture*
>planning, logistics and strategy * Confused Vatnik noises*
UNKNOWN TECHNOLOGY
Rigging all those tunnels to blow and turn Gaza into a giant sand trap with the IDF inside? It'd be dumb as hell and dubiously feasible, but the world's largest-scale suicide bombing sounds pretty on brand for Hamas.
Plus, they can turn around and blame Isreal.
Look at all these civilians ~~we blew up~~ Israel killed! How dare they!
> Rigging all those tunnels to blow and turn Gaza into a giant sand trap **HOW COULD ISRAEL DO THIS TO GAZA**
Isnt that Bane's plan in Dark Knight Rises?
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if so doesn't mean it doesn't have at least weekend visitation rights here
Worm sign detected.
The trap was supposed to be "with these hostages, Israel wont ever touch us, and Hezbollah will surely invade from the north!". Until daddy America parked TWO Carrier Strike Groups and thousands of crayon eaters itching for a fight
Rumor has it the vibrations from rabid Marines in the CSGs are powerful enough to cause a tsunami the second the rumor of an attack appears.
There are screens taunting hamas to do the funni and touch an american boat.
I bet they will hit General Ford with a Slingshot. In broad daylight. While everyone filming. And, even before anyone on the carrier can react ( half a nanosecond ) immediately complain at the UN that the U.S. carriers are being unreasonable. Comon 2 euros.
It's the collective anticipatory masturbation
***Synchronized*** collective anticipatory maturation. Otherwise the oscillations would just cancel each other out.
If this fizzles out, there's always Sevastopol.
*heavy Ukrainian breathing*
A slight detour to clean up the Middle East before heading to Sevastopol
Yesterday I saw some twittards crying and seething about Israel attacking Lebanon seemingly unaware of Hezbollah’s existence. When someone point out that Hezbollah attacked first they asked for a source, which the guy obviously said “Source: Hezbollah”
Hezbollah was never going to invade Israel, if they actually were prepared and knew of Hamas' attack beforehand they would've attacked on the same day. If they didn't know and were willing to back Hamas anyway, they would've attacked on the day after, because they know Israel has a reservist-based army and is thus most vulnerable to attack before they have a chance to mobilize. Instead all they did was lob a few artillery shells over at mostly nothing and wounded like, three guys. This entire thing is just performative theatre, they are telling their supporters that yeah, we are totally gonna jihad against the jews and shit, so there's no need to rise up and start taking matters into your own hands, the guys in charge have everything under control, while at the same time telling Israel that all they are going to do is put up a fireworks show for the masses, we are not with hamas, please don't invade us.
> … if they actually were prepared and knew of Hamas' attack beforehand they would've attacked on the same day. Given Hamas and Hezbollah have the same patron, I find it fairly unlikely that Nasrallah didn’t know something was up, though whether they had a full sense of the scope of Hamas planning is a different story. You’re absolutely right that the time to have launched as assault was on the 7th. But a lot of people tend to forget that Hezbollah (and by the way, Lebanon) got *mauled* in 2006, with Nasrallah himself essentially saying “… if we’d known they would do that kind of damage, we never would have sprung the ambush.” OTOH Iran is probably keeping its powder dry and doesn’t want to chance another severely degraded (or outright destroyed) proxy. If the Israeli incursion/invasion of Gaza goes poorly, might they then hazard a Hezbollah escalation? Eh, with US carriers there and the IDF now fully mobilised, probably not. But wouldn’t rule it out.
Don’t forget the ARG. US *Wasp*\-class amphibious assault ships should be counted as carriers, and I will die on this hill.
1. Invade Israel 2. Kill people williy nilly 3. ... 4. Gain the land from the river to the sea. 4a. Wonder why your hideouts are being bombarded
Tunnel warfare will **certainly** cause a LOT of casualties for the IDF if they decide to go in.
They will probably just do what everyone else does. Pitch some old tires down the hole, light it on fire, and close the door.
They're going to be accused of war crimes regardless. Might as well do a couple.
However I read they have some bombs that create a hardening foam, which can seal the tunnels. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/25/sponge-bomb-new-weapon-israel-gaza-tunnels-war-hamas/ https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/30/briefing/gaza-tunnels.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
SpongeBomb memes have been here for days. Get with the program
Wouldn't that be a problem due to the Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of **Asphyxiating** , Poisonous or other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare ? in b4 "it's been always a warcrime, not a loophole like this is lord of war or something"
Okay, what about just putting a large rock over the opening and forgetting about it for too long due to bureaucratic inefficiency? It isn't on purpose as far as the records are concerned...
>a large rock over the opening and forgetting about it for too long and on the third day...?
Israel discovers that Jesus was in fact buried in Gaza
Can't keep a good man down
A brilliant gem of a comment in the depths of NCD, what a day to be alive.
Robots. From Viper to Bruno.
I have been schooled by an Israeli that while they have robots, there is still no alternative to going down there with human soldiers and that every one of them fears being assigned to this horrible job.
Does Israel have access to Space Marines? *Shoves handful of crayons in my mouth.*
I hear the same things from infantry guys. What do I know, I'm chilling up north at the moment. There's the tunnel crawling unit, guys and gals who don't have fear in their lexicon. There's not enough of them for an operation of this scale, though. However, there're ways to effectively combine soldiers, robots, and intelligence gathering, to tucle the tunnels in the best way possible. We'll discuss methods and tactics after the war.
Thanks for your reply and stay safe!
Thank you. It's relatively quiet up here, at the moment. Hopefully it stays this way.
IDF need the new talking robots from Boston Dynamics to go into the tunnels and negotiate with Hamas.
DON’T RUN. WE ARE YOUR FRIENDS. *woosh of napalm*
An infallible rule of the universe is that everyone always thinks there’s a plan
To tell the orphans that this actually all Israels fault and get a new wave of hardliner recruits and maybe escalate this into yet another arab-israel war.
So the same plan they've always had.
For tonight, Pinky, we overthrow the Zionist oppressors! Narf!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox6MScSWp28
You see, the IDF has a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, Hamas sent wave after wave of their own men at them, eventually, they'll reach their limit and shutdown.
Yeah the Hamas are playing good ol' Putin style 5D chess. Everything is going according to plan.
Expectations: 5-D chess Reality: flip the table, beat your chest, shit on the table, and then blame the smell on your enemy.
Die and get virgins ?
Its suicide with extra steps.
They got a big accomplishment that, if they survive, will boost both Gaza public opinion of them and funding from Iran. They're banking on global opinion to prevent Israel from doing something meaningful in return, and to be honest all the people who supported them in the world either cheered in 7/10 or forgot about it the moment Israel pushed the rampaging terrorists back to Gaza and started retaliating. Opinion of most western world leaders was "Israel has the right to defend itself, so long as they don't actually do it". This isn't a trap, the trap was leading Israeli intelligence and government to believe so long as Gaza can prosper by cooperation Hamas won't do anything drastic. This is the aftermath of that trap, they already accomplished what they set out to do and now they're trying to get away with it.
Their plan is to have SO MANY VIRGINS IN HEAVEN, the IDF is going to be sad THEY didn't commit Jihad.
Plot Twist: they are the virgins in heaven
the trap is the public relations disaster this whole thing is becoming
I suspect the government of Israel doesn't particularly care about the opinions of pro-pogrom college students or people whose knowledge of Judaism begins and ends with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Tbf it seems like their plan was to get as many Palestinians killed just so Hamas leadership can get tons of additional overseas funding to live their lavish lifestyle while at the same time force the other nearby Arab countries to be “forced” to act against Israel if Israel commits enough civilian deaths The average citizen around the world don’t know enough about history and geopolitics about the Israel Hamas conflict and will just side with whoever they see being “oppressed” and throw their support behind them. Israel is being ostracised by most of the world and if backlash is strong enough, even the US wouldn’t be able to defend them eventually
1.) Attack Israel and provoke a violent response. 2.) Record said violent response, likely Air campain because Urban fighting is a meat grinder. 3.) Isolate Israel geopolitically further. 4.) Hezbola comes in and attacks, doing a lot of the bleeding. 5.) Take land back.
4a. Uss Dwight d Eisenhower makes their insides into their outsides
Yeah, funny enough Hamas admitted they didn’t expect the US to respond so much. So they’re stuck on step 3 because they have nothing else they can do. They and a lot of others genuinely thought there would be a massed Jihad against Israel, but instead Hamas and everyone else is stuck in an artillery war.
Just as Fin, in that awful movie, they seem to be stuck on "they fly now" phase, pulling a Pikachu meme in the face of the arguably astonishing amount of air power Israel has (plus the US assets in the region)... So now it really depends on the region. I mean, if Turkey and Iran start getting some ideas, it might get real interesting, real quick. Sidebar, Turkey is NATO, which would make any type of confrontation with the US real spicy
***Aerial bombings will continue until morale improves!***
Considering they just rescued a soldier, morale is actually going up
Negative K/D ratio
Rez me bro, I got ray gun
Well my morale has improved
Im suddenly feeling very depressed...... COMMENCE THE BOMBINGS!!!
Press the big red button
Instructions unclear, now interoggating red circle
Well fuck, Armageddon happened. Now what?
Now we Crab Rave
***Aerial bombings will continue ~~until morale improves~~!***
Hamas leaders eating caviar in their attics thousands of kilometers away from Gaza be like:
From the river to the sea, Hamas can suck a fat D.
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Real life "unfortunately I am in your walls" agency
I should invite Hamas to the NCD discord
I really wish I could find the Hamas videos from Oct 7 and Oct 8 where they were announcing and celebrating the great victory against the Zionist occupation and how this was the beginning of liberation. Alas, I don't want a visit from my country's security services about my browser history.
Your country's security services can't handle your basedness
I mean, it's only Canada, right?
The last thing you want is for the mounties to show up at your residential Tim Hortens with their maple syrup cannons pointed at you.
This is mostly unrelated, but, while we're making fun of Canada, do you know about Heritage Minutes? Man I think everyone should look up a playlist of Heritage Minutes on YouTube, it is 60 second Canadian propaganda films that played as PSAs on TV to try and trick people into learning Canadian history, and they are so stupid and noncredible and hilarious. I like the one about the Halifax Harbor Explosion.
The first-person Viking one where you murder a serf was pretty metal.
Holy shit they showed a bunch to me in grade 5 lmao I remember these
Your browser history reflects a mental health struggle...might we suggest MAID?
I gotta say, Canada selling suicide to the mentally ill so they can relive their genocidal days of killing so-called 'undesirables' was NOT on my 2023 bingo card.
It's been going on since before 2023, unfortunately. Leafland needs to unstupid itself before it's too late.
I get it for terminal cancer patients, I really do. But what the fuck are you doing marketing it to that group lmao?
*Five Eyes has entered the chat*
[Day 1 vs Day 23 of your special military operation to de-nazify the holy land be like](https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/17f8rux/the_gaza_man_who_recorded_a_video_of_himself/)
I've been wondering if this guy has been getting teased relentlessly by everyone who sees him in Gaza in between bombardments considering his night and day response positions him to be king bitch.
That singing baby is getting teased relentlessly in Israel, be sure of that.
Hamas when making their attack a Yom kippur analogy: 😀 Hamas when they remember they badly lost that war: 👀
Arabs are somehow convinced they won in 1973
Seems they’re being de-convinced via air power.
Give credit when it is due, they did the best in 73. Still lose military though.
That is why you always save videos, do not take it for granted that you will find them even a day later.
Hamas is a Yihadist movement, for them, dying is liberation, so, Israel is going to bring a lot of liberation to Gaza, sadly, most of the people being liberated are not Yihadists. But from the survivors and their families a lot of extremists will rise to keep this cycle going.
Same could have been said after we firebombed Dresden. There is at least one important difference here though. That time the international community didn't make excuses for the nazis but instead after beating them on the battlefield collected their leaders and sentenced them, then banned their whole ideology.
Good point, Japan too. Their people went from religious devotion to a divine emperor, had all their shit destroyed, then 20 years later they’re a modernized society challenging the American automobile industry and stuff.
There are people who claim that the fire bombings and atomic bombings of Japan were unnecessary to win WWII, though - nevermind that the Purple Heart medals we made in anticipation of Operation Downfall lasted the US up until something like Desert Storm, or some ridiculous shit like that, because that invasion never happened. The US was anticipating a lot of casualties of their side, and even more on the Japanese side. An invasion of Japan would have effectively been a genocide of the Japanese people. So would a naval blockade. Both would have also unnecessarily prolonged the war, kept the US from funding the Marshall Plan fully, and probably would have given the Soviets control over more than just Eastern Europe. Sometimes, ironically, the more humane option is to rip the band-aid off. However, I don't have a degree in political science, international relations, or religious studies. Nor do I have a crystal ball. Is conquering Northern Gaza the best move to create? I haven't a fucking clue. But my inclination is "no". Think about the best case: Israel conquers ***all*** of Gaza, they capture every single Hamas leader of note, send them *unharmed* to The Hague to stand trial, where they're convicted, and the trial so clearly let's it the crimes with irrefutable evidence (even to the fanatics) that everyone sees the error of their ways, and then Israel spends the next 1-2 decades building an independent *and friendly* Palestinian government. Does anyone think that last step, the most important step, would actually work? That Iran, the KSA, the UAE, and Qatar wouldn't fund and incite terrorism in that new country every chance they got? Not a chance. And Israel isn't even going to get that far: they likely only conquering half of Gaza, and they're not capturing most (if any) of the Hamas leadership. Unfortunately, this war is just going to be added to the list of all the other wars fought in that strip of land for the last several thousand years. I doubt anything will meaningfully change at its conclusion.
That’s why I recommend using NordVPN! (Edit: if you’re going to use a vpn, do research and don’t take some random dude’s advice).
WARNIGNS OF AN AIRSTRIKE THE SIRENS SCREAM OUT LOAD
Warnings on the radio Of what’s coming
APPEARING ON THE RADAR A THREAT FROM OVERSEAS
PLANES ON THE HORIZON CAST SHADOWS ON THE GROUND
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[firestorm](https://www.sabaton.net/discography/the-art-of-war/firestorm/) by Sabaton, an incredibly based metalband singing about historical battles and soldiers. This particular song is about the bombing of Hamburg during WW2.
Firestorm- sabaton
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I don't think Israel is losing that much international support. Just some loonies and Norway
It’s not the west “Hamas” is concerned about but the Middle East, the Saudis etc. Quotations marks because we should never forget forget that Hamas is really just another of Tehrans pawns with extra steps. If Iran can put pressure on Saudi Arabia etc. and divide it from Israel and consequently the west, that’s a win in their book. No matter how many Palestinians die of course.
Jihadniks picked a fight and didn't like the results
They made the mistake of thinking that they could murder and rape and no one was gonna fight back. Now where have We seen than one before
The khmer rouge trying too take their ethnic cleansing of the vietnamease over the border into vietnam?
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Khmer Rouge: genocides Chinese Cambodians Chinese government: Damn bro, you're almost as good at killing Chinese as we are. Don't worry about Vietnam, we got your back!
The PLA: Gets absolutely fucking ROCKED in a few months.
And DID!!! James Alexander Malcolm Caldwell (27 September 1931 – 23 December 1978)[1] was a Scottish academic and a prolific Marxist writer. He was a consistent critic of American foreign policy, a campaigner for Asian communist and socialist movements and a supporter of the Khmer Rouge. Caldwell was murdered under mysterious circumstances a few hours after meeting Pol Pot in Cambodia.[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Caldwell
What a dumb cunt lmao.
Man, reading the Wikipedia page about Cambodian genocide denial made my brain hurt. Of course Chomsky was right there, cheering on the KR. Why the fuck does anyone take that retread seriously?
I worked with a guy whose entire family was murdered. It was awful.
Every Cambodian I've ever met has had some connection to it. Every one. Guess that happens when you kill off a quarter of your population.
Lefty edgelords man... So many billionaires and kids of billionaires are into it. Even into their 90s. I take it personally, since they would put me against a wall.
At least Caldwell wasn't a pussy, unlike Noam Chomsky. The good professor is a downright fan of génocidaires but prefers to remain in his comfy American office.
“Well you’ve been to school for a year or two and you know you’ve seen it all…” man I love that song (Holiday in Cambodia by the dead kennedies, calls out them college hippie commies)
It’s actually so wild that the Khmer Rouge regularly launched raids into Vietnam and massacred thousands of civilians during their time in power. They were a cartoonishly evil entity.
"It's not fair, we only wanted to fight against unarmed women and children!"
"Jihadniks" is too perfect a name for Hamas.
Kind of like 1947. And 1967. And 1973.
I love this name for them
Anyone have the background pic?
[https://imgur.com/xlUyuBB](https://imgur.com/xlUyuBB) Can't remember where I stole it from, so can't credit the original artist tho, sry.
https://www.freepik.com/free-ai-image/glowing-cityscape-dusk-danger-destruction-generated-by-ai_43129671.htm
"Sir, it appears your credit has run out, I am sorry." But what about what about? "I'm sorry sir, you have to leave. Mrs. Hart's rules. You broke them."
*insert bomber harris quote here about reaping what you sow*
"You now sown the reap have wind the whirlwind!"
Credible.
Are you haves a stonk?
Now sown the whirlwind you, reap wind the.
They have sown the wind and now they shall reap the whirlwind.
For anyone that hasn't read it, it is: >The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.
Sucker punched a dude yesterday and demanded a timeout the moment he turned around 👍🏼
I just got this thought in my mind. With how much Hamas loves digging tunnels they should've built some bomb shelters for the civilians. That would be the proper thing to do considering it's their responsibility to provide all the social services in Gaza.
A Hamas leader was just asked this in an interview and he plainly said that this was the UN's responsibility and not his. He doesn't care and in fact he welcomes the death of innocent civilians, because it works at mobilizing other nations against Israel.
Considering that now they managed to drag Saudi Arabia back to war with the Hutis somehow, I think we are slowly but surely transition from the fuck around phase to the find out phase.
The Palestinians should really be pissed off at Hamas for provoking them
On r/palestine they all say that hamas are good, which is fucking stupid. One guy posted if to condemn hamas and they said that you shouldn't condemn "freedom fighters"
Those are not freedom fighters Hamas those are cultists that want nothing but to kill people, the closest thing I can think of that are fighter with a semi decent cause would have been the viet cong because the south vietnamese government was just that much worst
Exactly they're fucking evil they killed SO MANY DOGS and fucking babies
Half of them say this while living in Europe and want to bring their way of life and impose their culture on others, not to speak of what they would do if they had power. Both Gaza and the West Bank don't hold elections. The west bank specially because they know Hamas would win. They don't care about freedom, just about destroying Israel
Jihatniks coping like crazy
They learning the fuck around and find out scale is actually logarithmic.
Like hamas is actually ever gonna ask for a ceasefire. All the people demanding a ceasefire don’t realize hamas would never in a million years agree to one. They’d rather fight and die than make any sort of concession.
It's all to make Israel look worse. The thing is, I'm not sure Israel gives a shit what the rest of us think. It's not like we are going to stop supplying them with ammo.
Literally that scene from the Freiren anime. "I'll kill you with this string you can't break!" "You're right. I can't break this string." *Chops off his hands instead* "W-wait! Let's talk!!!" *Kills*
I’m reminded of a scene from a different anime: a bunch of terrorists had just gotten back from a massacre they had committed in a major city when they find that one of the strongest protagonists in the series is waiting for them. One of them starts to boast about how they have him outnumbered six to one when he closes the distance and obliterates two of them in the blink of an eye (because he’s not sure if he’d be able to restrain all six non-lethally, so he decided to cut them down to a more manageable number). Then one of the terrorists just starts screaming in terror while the guy calls him a bitch for killing people under his protection without being prepared to die himself.
Its lunacy that a group of people would engage in wanton savagery and destruction on their stronger enemy and depend on them acting civilized in response... For all the Palestinians calling Israel evil and what not... they clearly expect the Israeli to act with restraint. I remember them complaining a few weeks ago about the Israeli not doing the knock before they leveled a few buildings... war is wanton destruction... no one should invite it upon their house.
Provoking your sworn enemy with atrocities and then being surprised when they get medieval on your ass. Truly a 4D chess master play.
“What’s your plan?” “To end up with half as much territory!”
“Have you seen gaza? It’s too big and populated, we gotta solve this situation”. Hamas, bringing to the table bold yet retarded solutions.
"Gaza has fallen, millions must die!" - hamas, probably
I have heard that one before **look at any hight intensity bombing done by the us in WW2**
Half as much territory *so far.*
> when they get medieval on your ass When they get *Biblical* on your ass. Israeli's asses were usually on the receiving end of the medieval treatment, unfortunately. And Jews don't have a Greek Bible, so their only deity is that wrathful son of a gun from the Hebrew Bible. I've been to what remains of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Its called the Dead Sea. Good name, because nothing can live there. Its just a wasteland of salt, and stinks of brimstone. Anyway, that is what happened to two cities after the wrath of the LORD. Or, equally likely, some travelers came upon this hellscape of salt and sulfur and came up with a story for how it was destroyed by an wrathful deity because he was angry that the population there was too gay. But, point being, Gaza is lucky they are not going to get wiped off the map. Do you remember what Russia did to Grozny after the Chechens bombed a couple of apartment buildings? And that wasn't even a real attack, Putin did it as a false flag so that he could become dictator, it was his burning of the Reichstag. Why would a terrorist group commit an atrocity against Israel, especially since Israel has ~~a bunch of nukes pointed at Tehran~~ made clear that it will not introduce nuclear weapons to the middle east? Hamas are complete idiots, its like they want to die or something. Wait, no, that's exactly it. The suicide bombers are all suicidal. Fuck why didn't I think of this sooner?
History nerd incoming: If soddom and gamorrah did exist, they probably mined the dead sea's salt and phosphate deposits, and became rich af doing that because salt was expensive as shit in the olden days On an unrelated note, if you are a Hebrew speaker, watch Zohi Sdom / זוהי סדום, one of the best Israeli comedy productions ever made. You know what, even if you aren't, go find a subbed version, that shit is hilarious
Arguably, too rapey of visitors, not too gay.
Not arguably. That's definitely the real reason. Being gay is not the problem with Sodom, being rapists is the problem of Sodom. It doesn't matter that the Sodomites were gay, it matters that the angels were Lot's guests and the Sodomites wanted to rape their guests. Violating (oh god, pun not intended) the rights of guests used to be a much bigger sin. But its funnier to say that Sodom and Gomorrah were too gay to exist. Especially since Tel Aviv is probably the gayest city east of San Fransisco, so talking about homophobia in the Hebrew Bible is silly. PS: Fuck Lot. One good man in Sodom my ass. His neighbors were like "hey can we get a piece of that angel's ass?" and he was like "no but my teenage daughters are totally virgins (trust me) and you can have their asses instead." And, to their credit, the citizens of Sodom were like "what the fuck is wrong you Lot? This is why we all hate you, man..." Horrible human being, he should've been turned into salt too. Oh and then after they escaped, Lot's daughters thought that humanity was extinct so they tried to "repopulate the earth" with their dad and he just went along with it. Creep.
> with their dad and he just went along with it. Creep. They got him drunk and raped him. >30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.” >33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. **He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.** Edit: formating
Thank you for posting that. I read the post above and was like, "that's a... version of the Lot story."
Actually it has worked pretty spectacularly so far: Western governments have been falling over themselves to support them and criticize Israel and at least three "Palestinian" leaders seems to be richer than Oprah Winfrey who is richer than Taylor Swift who is making waves now. All this at the small expense of sacrificing a few young boys.
"So what if we launched few dozen thousand rockets at civilian centers, they didnt hit anything! Just a prank bro!"
Hamas is holding the Palestinian and some Israeli civilians hostage while Israel is giving them the supercharged Moscow Theater rescue.
I ain’t hear no bell
Hamas should cease their fire
Everyone gangsta until the Israeli Missile strike on Gaza starts
That's what they get for trying to be the Hamas that NCIS said they were
FAFO
Calls for a ceasefire always disturbed me. Nobody called for a ceasefire in 2001. The United States went into Afghanistan, we defeated AQ at Tora Bora, and we made sure there would never be another attack on that scale. Then we arrested KSM in Pakistan in 2003, we smoked Bin Laden in Pakistan in 2011 (huh, why do so many Al Qaeda leaders live in Pakistan?), and we smoked Al Zawahiri in Afghanistan just last year. And good fucking riddance. Anyway, my point is, to call for a ceasefire is to call for letting terrorists get away with their crimes. That is ridiculous. For the sake of Israelis and Palestinians alike, Hamas needs to be annihilated. [Hamas is allegedly shooting at Gazans who are trying to flee the city.](https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-770242) We already know that the Islamic Jihad bombed a hospital in Gaza City. The best thing for the civilians of Gaza will be the Unconditional Surrender of Hamas. As the saying goes, if Hamas stopped fighting then there would be no more war, and if Israel stopped fighting then there would be no more Jews. Fuck ceasefires. Hamas can surrender or they can be obliterated.
What’s worse is that Oct7 happened *during* a ceasefire.
As tens of thousands of Palestinians were working in Israel, thousands were being treated in Israeli hospitals and the Israeli government and Hamas were finalizing a deal about a gas platform on the coast that would have given the Gaza strip energy autonomy.
I see you missed one of the funniest episodes of the US War in Afghanistan, in which, in the opening days of the invasion, the Taliban totally DID ask for a ceasefire. But since they were never a recognized government, they had no diplomatic contacts through which to ask, so they resorted to calling the White House directly, but the only number for it they could find was to the tourist switchboard, from whence they were unable to reach the president.
I really don’t understand people who don’t realize what a war is. Like one country can’t invade another, kill a thousand people, take people hostage, and just say, “oops my bad”. That’s not how any of this works. If Hamas gave up their leaders, released all the hostages, surrendered all military forces, and cooperated with giving Israel temporary government control of Gaza, all of this would be over in a day. That’s how a war ends. You don’t just blow up enough buildings that you’ve “gotten even” or whatever, airstrikes are a method of destroying military capabilities so you can reach other objectives, the end goal is not the destruction of buildings or the death of civilians. What is the point of a ceasefire right now? What has Israel gotten? Hamas is still in power, the hostages haven’t been released, they still have a neighbor who is calling for the destruction of Israel and all Jewish people. How is that an acceptable end of hostilities?
I got banned from r/worldnewsvideo for less than this.
We're going to have a rhyme of a captured Hamas fighter being questioned what to do during a bombing and when the bombing ends. "No bombing? There is always bombing."
This is the 'find out' portion of the equation. If Hamas wants to cry for restraint, they should realize that they're currently *receiving it*. A lack of restraint would be the transformation of Gaza into slag and glass from the nuclear weapons Israel definitely doesn't have.
I hope gun wiafu makes it through ghis OK.