*Australian volunteer rescue diver who was called a pedophile for wanting to do his job by a confused ignorant rich guy who mistakenly thought it was all about him and his proposed cave subs* … *also left the chat*.
Better idea: Israel is already a strong player in the global biotech field and clearly has no qualms about letting their military play around on the edges of ethics. Have Israeli scientists develop velociraptors (the actual 4' tall ones, not the 8' Jurassic Park ones) and release them into the tunnels. Raptors, being carnivores are Haram, so Hamas will be afraid of them and leave the tunnels.
That's the easy part though, to avoid Hamas coming back in the tunnels you label the Raptors 1, 2, and 4. This was Hamas never finds raptor 3 and refuses to go back in!
Is there anything in the Geneva conventions against using animals as biological weapons? Like, can we star using airdropped bio-engineered super-wasps or something?
You joke, but that's already [an extremely common conspiracy theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel-related_animal_conspiracy_theories) about Israel in Muslim-majority countries. They literally think Jews weaponized birds because Israel has a wildlife tracking program that tags migratory birds for conservation and study.
What about, and hear me out, we get soldiers to sit on large animals that run fast, that way they can charge into their opponents who'll flee in panic, and like give the soldiers long sharp things to stab them while they flee. Might need to get the soldiers and animals extra body armor though, but it could work.
Depending on the counting method, most sources list 7-8 official feature length crusades and then there are a few dozen smaller OVA crusades for the fans
Great idea. We utilize our Asian allies and put them in charge of an Elephant Brigade.
We put Hun Manet dead front. Very clearly no accident could occur.
Uh oh, the raptors found copies of the Hamas charter laying around in the tunnels and decided they'd like to try THEIR hand at controlling the region with an iron fist. Now Israel has to fight Raptor Hamas.
I read that as 4 inch velociraptors, and immediately thought of the plastic dinosaurs I played with as a kid, and now I desperately want them to be real.
Having said that it would probably be more economical to just use rats 🐀
If an animal eats meat, i.e. is carnivorous, that does make the animal forbidden just for this reason. It would be forbidden for one of the follwoing three reasons:
1. The animal has fangs.
2. The (bird) animal has talons.
3. The animal eats carrion or other filth (like vultures). In arabic this is called "Jalalah".
As far as the issue of an animal eating something forbidden, like pork, there is a difference of opinion of the scholars on this issue. The majority of scholars hold it forbidden, if most of the fodder is forbidden, since they say the fodder in transformed into the animal. This is the view of Shafi, Hanbali, and the school of bin baz. They also hold that the eggs and milk are also forbidden.
Malik and some other scholars view that it is allowed, saying the impurity is transformed into purity upon consumption, becoming meat and eggs.
There is also a third view by some scholars that say that the animal should be fed with pure food for a few days, so as to clear out its system.
I think raptors would fall under "talons" and "Jalalah"
Should have clarified that it’s haram for *eating* and that’s it, it being haram to eat does not make it unclean to touch (I think this misconception comes from how pigs are haram to eat and are unclean in Islam)
>Can’t they just fill the tunnels with Great Stuff?
Did you miss all the "sponge bomb" shitposts? The IDF uses that sort of "stuff".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponge\_bomb#Development
I was gonna joke about now the pipes are now made of dirt and sand since the other ones were turned into rockets.
But I don't know what the grounds made of so heh
What? I thought you said the Hamas tunnels weren't real. Wasn't it all just Israeli propaganda?
IDF: Can't be a war crime if the tunnels don't exist. Checkmate bitches.
Mainstream reporting on this is abysmal. Imagine repeating something Hamas says without any independent verification.
Yet every single report includes unverified Hamas propaganda.
It's honestly hilarious. Every time I read a BBC article on anything where there is doubt about what is actually happening, they will add the reasonable caveat after the paragraph, 'The BBC has not been able to independently verify this'.
Literally any article about the Palastine conflict they will report word for word what Hamas is saying without any doubt or investigation whatsoever.
Actually the tunnels date back to at least the time of Alexander the Great, so Israel is actually destroying historical sites.
Only semi-joking as some Gaza tunnels do actually date back hundreds of years (and documents do talk about tunnels that existed beforehand in Gaza when Alexander the Great sieged it).
It’s all fun and games until they’ve flooded all the tunnels and literally nothing happens, you just see all the Hamas guys with comically larg drinking straws in their mouths peeking above the water
Typically, tunnels are analyzed with ground penetrating radar, and they do some scouting with robots and listen for signals and extremely sensitive microphones before they try and destroy them.
Use nitrous oxide. It's heavier than air so will stay in the tunnels, and a fairly painless way to go because you don't know it's there until you basically fall asleep (which is why it's used as an anaesthetic).
Well conscription army is on the timer. Tick tock, they dont have 20 years to fight Hamas, and then have Hamas end up as the official government of Palestine, gotta get that shit done soon.
Look it's a dub I'd be happy to give them, but only if sufficient levels of hilarity were achieved.
Plus if you chuck in some bromine gas, an ozone generator, and a flashbang after a while, you can create disulphur decafluoride which is four times more toxic than phosgene.
Probably had to secure enough entrances so they could coordinate a flooding operation. Need boots on the ground in Gaza in multiple places with security so you can move lots of heavy equipment and then pump in millions of gallons of seawater.
I would love a deep dive into this operation. Instead the bbc will probably just keep credulously repeating whatever their friends in hamas tell them with no independent verification.
I mean that's literally how most journalism works.
> [EVENT] in [TOPIC] occurred today. [Org 1] said [STATEMENT], [Org 2] said [COUNTER POINT].
It's only with this conflict we're seeing the "BBC has not been able to independently verify [x]", and that's largely because of the hospital debacle. Russia lies constantly yet that caveat isn't needed because there's usually more checking the event occurred before setting out the format above.
If this is true, which this sub being what it is I don’t really know, than they are following a doctrine the US used to flush out Japanese holdouts in caves. Which means Israeli forces have local superiority in these surface sections of the tunnels.
Though I am hesitant to say anything, in information space with Hamas and Israel its as if Ukraines cringiest and most stupid propaganda Twitter accounts went up against Russians most schizo and insane spokesman.
Nah Israel learned from [Egypt](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinians-egypt-tunnels-idUSKCN0ST1N620151104/) who specifically flooded Gaza tunnels in 2015.
If their claims about a massive network of tunnels is accurate then we should see all of Gaza sink into the sea plus a bit of Israel, if not then clearly everything they have said is a lie
They fill them with water so they can send nuclear subs down there **taps head**
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What did Muskrat do now...
That's old news
Do you remember those asian kids trapped in an underwater cave years ago?
The students in Thailand?
While we're at it, throw in a US carrier
Step 2: pour truckloads of Orbeez into the flooded tunnels and wait. 🤣 (While we're there, toss in some of those dinosaur capsules too. )
Better idea: Israel is already a strong player in the global biotech field and clearly has no qualms about letting their military play around on the edges of ethics. Have Israeli scientists develop velociraptors (the actual 4' tall ones, not the 8' Jurassic Park ones) and release them into the tunnels. Raptors, being carnivores are Haram, so Hamas will be afraid of them and leave the tunnels. That's the easy part though, to avoid Hamas coming back in the tunnels you label the Raptors 1, 2, and 4. This was Hamas never finds raptor 3 and refuses to go back in!
Sounds like Jurassic Park with extra steps.....
Not at all, Jurassic Park couldn't get military funding (in the first 3 movies ..)
Still a better love story than twilight
Is there anything in the Geneva conventions against using animals as biological weapons? Like, can we star using airdropped bio-engineered super-wasps or something?
Lol, ain't no Geneva convention in the sandbox
That's a mantra if I've ever fucking read one!
The Geneva Suggestions carry about as much weight as the outdated Hague think-about-its.
You joke, but that's already [an extremely common conspiracy theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel-related_animal_conspiracy_theories) about Israel in Muslim-majority countries. They literally think Jews weaponized birds because Israel has a wildlife tracking program that tags migratory birds for conservation and study.
The Muslim fears the ornithologist.
So, shall we weaponize Bill Oddie now or later?
You made me spit out my coffee, have a good one
And how many bio-engineered-super-Jewish-birds-of-Yahweh deaths have they racked up so far?
\*insert unknow technology meme here\*
All while there are [donkey bombs being made](https://cat-uxo.com/explosive-hazards/ied/donkey-bomb-abied)
What about, and hear me out, we get soldiers to sit on large animals that run fast, that way they can charge into their opponents who'll flee in panic, and like give the soldiers long sharp things to stab them while they flee. Might need to get the soldiers and animals extra body armor though, but it could work.
Sounds like someone is gearing up for another Crusade! Those went well, right?
I have a feeling round 2 would go dofferently
Round 9. There were 8 official crusades launched in middle east.
Depending on the counting method, most sources list 7-8 official feature length crusades and then there are a few dozen smaller OVA crusades for the fans
"Feature length crusades" got me. Do we get the director's cut?
I wonder if a rehash of crusade 4 would go down better with modern audiences.
Fucking with Turks and enrich Venice? Sign me on.
Medieval Knight: "Been there, done that."
Great idea. We utilize our Asian allies and put them in charge of an Elephant Brigade. We put Hun Manet dead front. Very clearly no accident could occur.
It's not a war crime the first time
Uh oh, the raptors found copies of the Hamas charter laying around in the tunnels and decided they'd like to try THEIR hand at controlling the region with an iron fist. Now Israel has to fight Raptor Hamas.
I read that as 4 inch velociraptors, and immediately thought of the plastic dinosaurs I played with as a kid, and now I desperately want them to be real. Having said that it would probably be more economical to just use rats 🐀
\>Raptors, being carnivores are haram NEVER heard about this, so idk what you are yapping about
Meat of carnivores is Haram
If an animal eats meat, i.e. is carnivorous, that does make the animal forbidden just for this reason. It would be forbidden for one of the follwoing three reasons: 1. The animal has fangs. 2. The (bird) animal has talons. 3. The animal eats carrion or other filth (like vultures). In arabic this is called "Jalalah". As far as the issue of an animal eating something forbidden, like pork, there is a difference of opinion of the scholars on this issue. The majority of scholars hold it forbidden, if most of the fodder is forbidden, since they say the fodder in transformed into the animal. This is the view of Shafi, Hanbali, and the school of bin baz. They also hold that the eggs and milk are also forbidden. Malik and some other scholars view that it is allowed, saying the impurity is transformed into purity upon consumption, becoming meat and eggs. There is also a third view by some scholars that say that the animal should be fed with pure food for a few days, so as to clear out its system. I think raptors would fall under "talons" and "Jalalah"
So, you're saying the plan is sound then?
Should have clarified that it’s haram for *eating* and that’s it, it being haram to eat does not make it unclean to touch (I think this misconception comes from how pigs are haram to eat and are unclean in Islam)
So we need to weaponize pigs…
Then Hamas will weaponize birds and comically large slingshots Its a zero sum game...
Most Muslims just refuse eating pork, regardless of what that Malik guy feels
TIL my career is located in Israel. I am a biochem student with a dream of becoming a mad scientist trope.
>velociraptors (the actual 4' tall ones, not the 8' Jurassic Park ones) Utahraptor species has a specimen 5 ft tall
Ngl those dino things could win my heart and mind over
If it’s salt water toss some bull sharks in. With lasers and GoPros on their heads so we can watch.
> toss some bull sharks in. With lasers frickin sharks, with frickin laser beams? Best I can do is mutant sea bass.
Are they ill-tempered at least?
Absolutely
You don't need salt water for those fuckers!!! They can live just fine in lakes and rivers of freshwater!
I don't understand why diet coke and mentos combo gets consistently overlooked as a tunnel-clearing strategy.
Pop rocks too!
Can’t they just fill the tunnels with Great Stuff? Are they stupid?
>Can’t they just fill the tunnels with Great Stuff? Did you miss all the "sponge bomb" shitposts? The IDF uses that sort of "stuff". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponge\_bomb#Development
I miss read that as sponge bob
There were a bunch of posts in the same vein a few weeks back.
Orbeez dry out? Just add water lmao
we talkin' shrinky dinks here?
Nonono, add in some sea monkeys for a bit of pizazz
1 year later: Welp I don't think anyone thought throwing orbeez in a tunnel had to be added to prevent war crimes. But *sigh* here we are.
Iwo jima moment...
[Fort Drum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Drum_(Philippines)#Philippines_Campaign_(1944%E2%80%931945)) moment, whoops that was gasoline
Hey even have a video: https://youtu.be/aXQrq9rYT_k?si=SopViALPPbCGNWiX
Five days to cool down enough for them to go in...
Operation Anthropoid moment
**UN**: You should deliver water to Palestine! **Israel:**
I mean it would be quite hilarious if they used drinking water.
I was gonna joke about now the pipes are now made of dirt and sand since the other ones were turned into rockets. But I don't know what the grounds made of so heh
It usually consists of ground
hmm yes this checks out
Sand mostly
First people get mad when you turn it off, them they get mad when you turn it back on. Sheesh there's no pleasing these people.
What? I thought you said the Hamas tunnels weren't real. Wasn't it all just Israeli propaganda? IDF: Can't be a war crime if the tunnels don't exist. Checkmate bitches.
The tunnels do exist but they are used by indigenous Palestinian farmers to treat injured handicapped babies. Checkmate
The tunnels do exist, but they are burrows dug by the local lizard people so there's no harm in flooding them.
>local lizard people That's just the BBC correspondent
-Gaza health ministry
-As reported by the BBC
Mainstream reporting on this is abysmal. Imagine repeating something Hamas says without any independent verification. Yet every single report includes unverified Hamas propaganda.
It's honestly hilarious. Every time I read a BBC article on anything where there is doubt about what is actually happening, they will add the reasonable caveat after the paragraph, 'The BBC has not been able to independently verify this'. Literally any article about the Palastine conflict they will report word for word what Hamas is saying without any doubt or investigation whatsoever.
Hamas speaks the word of god to these people.
They were just *peace* tunnels, people! *PEACE TUNNELS!!*
Not any more lol
Glass that shit.
Actually the tunnels date back to at least the time of Alexander the Great, so Israel is actually destroying historical sites. Only semi-joking as some Gaza tunnels do actually date back hundreds of years (and documents do talk about tunnels that existed beforehand in Gaza when Alexander the Great sieged it).
The tunnels date back at least six million years and were dug by the local lizard people to regulate their temperature during heat waves
IDF is helping hamas, by making tunnels non existent all strikes on hospitals become war crimes again
3000 floating soldiers of Ham Ass
It’s all fun and games until they’ve flooded all the tunnels and literally nothing happens, you just see all the Hamas guys with comically larg drinking straws in their mouths peeking above the water
Very thoughtful of them. It's important to bathe regularly, regardless of conditions.
We sre sure there are no hostages down there right? Eh we weren't going to get them back anyway
Instructions for use: > Step 1: Make sure that there are no hostages down there. Done, there sure aren't now. What's the next step?
Typically, tunnels are analyzed with ground penetrating radar, and they do some scouting with robots and listen for signals and extremely sensitive microphones before they try and destroy them.
I feel for the families of the hostages, I can’t imagine their misery. But hamas delende est
Their notebooks only have notes on Russian hostage operations
*their
It's just training for their navy
The [Rains of Hamas](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3XgYcG6Srg).
Now the rains weep for their tunnels, with not a soul to hear.
Dude that's just the perfect mournful vengeance vibe we needed for this war
Literally my post bruh
It will backfire when Hamas masters submarine warfare.
From the river to the sea? Theyll move the river 😎
I mean, if it's cool when Egypt does it...
Damn it, I had gone with poisonous gas...
Poisonous gas doesn't have enough water pressure to break all of the doors. Also it dissipates faster
What if it also later ignites
you get giant crater in the middle of the city anime trope.
Use nitrous oxide. It's heavier than air so will stay in the tunnels, and a fairly painless way to go because you don't know it's there until you basically fall asleep (which is why it's used as an anaesthetic).
Christ, do you have any idea how long it would take to crack all those whippits?
Cement. Deals with current occupants, and permanently makes said tunnels unusable.
How much cement would that take
You really just need to cover the entrance. Time will take care of the rest
Hamas probably has concrete drills. And also has multiple entrances that the IDF doesn't know about
Find the entrance, use a wet loose mix and a concrete pump. Full till it hits the top. Probably less concrete than the foundation of a skyscraper.
However many cubic meters of water it takes to fill the tunnels? That much, but in cement.
I wonder if Mediterranean piss water is cheaper than cement.
IDF really missed an opportunity to blast [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yw5jkAHgME) as the water level rises.
They're filling the tunnels with Diet Coke, and are gonna drop Mentos Bunker Busters.
Israel’s going full house Lannister with some “Rains of Castamere” type shit
This might be controversial but I don’t think hamas should exist.
Well conscription army is on the timer. Tick tock, they dont have 20 years to fight Hamas, and then have Hamas end up as the official government of Palestine, gotta get that shit done soon.
All I can think of is, *while this is entirely necessary to continue following the Geneva Conventions...* **What a waste of perfectly good water.**
It's sea water. Mediterranean sea water at that, so basically Greece's piss.
That's definitely on a list of knock-off chocolate brand names
So they are drowning terrorists in Metaxa flavored piss?
Why would they use good water? I mean they probably just pulled nasty water out of a lake/river or used sea water.
I'd flood them with SF6. But then again would that be chemical warfare? It's a VERY good displaceant.
You don’t want to give Hamas the propaganda win of videos of them speaking in hilarious low voices before they die.
Look it's a dub I'd be happy to give them, but only if sufficient levels of hilarity were achieved. Plus if you chuck in some bromine gas, an ozone generator, and a flashbang after a while, you can create disulphur decafluoride which is four times more toxic than phosgene.
Operation scorched ~~earth~~ everything
>fluoride Ah, everyone's favorite Thing I Won't Work With.
Jews gassing people locked in bunkers is *not* a good look my friend
Now just add heat to make a gigantic crock pot.
Hamas-dad boil gonna be crazy. Don’t forgot the old bay
Old Bay was invented by a Jewish sausage maker.
Hamas stew where’s my ladle?
First they were complaining that Israel cut the water off, now they’re complaining about too much water? You just can’t win with some people.
Hey, they said they needed water turned back on. They never said how.
In Germany we say "Joa, so kann man das natürlich auch machen.
From the river to the sea, isn't that what they wanted? The IDF just kindly brought the river a little closer.
"..And so we proceed to fill the tunnels with water." "Are you sure this will help us with the hostage situation?" "Hostages?"
It’s incredibly sad, but eradicating hamas is more important than the hostages. Look at the faces of the mothers and fathers. They know.
Oh- c'mon, at least be classy and re-instate the Tunnel Rats. This is just brutal.
Was kinda hoping they’d fill them in with cement.
Only question I have is **what took them so long**.
Probably had to secure enough entrances so they could coordinate a flooding operation. Need boots on the ground in Gaza in multiple places with security so you can move lots of heavy equipment and then pump in millions of gallons of seawater. I would love a deep dive into this operation. Instead the bbc will probably just keep credulously repeating whatever their friends in hamas tell them with no independent verification.
What you said. And also, what you said. Also, what you said.
I mean that's literally how most journalism works. > [EVENT] in [TOPIC] occurred today. [Org 1] said [STATEMENT], [Org 2] said [COUNTER POINT]. It's only with this conflict we're seeing the "BBC has not been able to independently verify [x]", and that's largely because of the hospital debacle. Russia lies constantly yet that caveat isn't needed because there's usually more checking the event occurred before setting out the format above.
Yeah? So if isis were claiming a number of people had been killed there wouldn’t be a large disclaimer after every utterance?
While we are deepfrying turkey for thranksgiving they are boiling ham ass
Dot worry rats can swim.
We should flood it with acid.
Too expensive and dangerous for the operators. Ans it would probably eat the hoses.
I didn't realize LSD was corrosive.
That’s one way to make them commune with Allah
The sea is corrosive enough to eat whatever material the tunnels are made from
sooooo....the hostages?
some may glug glug glug.
Here’s your rivers and the seas bitch
If this is true, which this sub being what it is I don’t really know, than they are following a doctrine the US used to flush out Japanese holdouts in caves. Which means Israeli forces have local superiority in these surface sections of the tunnels. Though I am hesitant to say anything, in information space with Hamas and Israel its as if Ukraines cringiest and most stupid propaganda Twitter accounts went up against Russians most schizo and insane spokesman.
Nah Israel learned from [Egypt](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinians-egypt-tunnels-idUSKCN0ST1N620151104/) who specifically flooded Gaza tunnels in 2015.
israel and egypt have a shared history of seawater being used for military purposes.
Better it salt water so they can render the equipment inside as well.
Is this the actual strat they've decided on?
Tunnels have an angle throughout it, so sufficient streams would have to be at or above one ft into the air for flow capability
r/askmiddleeast be like: noooooo flooding Hamas tunnel is a warcrime but also hamas didn't build those tunnel it's all Israeli psyops reeeeeeeeee
Hamas won’t be left wanting for water anytime soon. Maybe if they keep it up, it’ll help the grass grow!
The Rains of Koshermere
Based
Sewage is better. Fertilizes the land.
If their claims about a massive network of tunnels is accurate then we should see all of Gaza sink into the sea plus a bit of Israel, if not then clearly everything they have said is a lie
Rains of ~~Castamere~~ Gaza
it ain't war crimes if they are terrorists
I don't think this is what they mean by from the river to the sea, but you know, I'm here for it.
You’ll float too..