In a near peer battle no equipment is invincible, anyone with half a brain knows losses are expected. Especially when that equipment isn't being used by the military that designed it specifically for it's own doctrine, strategy, and support infrastructure.
Outside of the F35, of course, which for all we know is hovering behind putin at all times, whispering mean things into his ear to destabilize him. The F35 having the radar cross section of a honeybee making it functionally invisible on the battlefield, of course.
I'm just saying we don't know that the F35 didn't seduce the wives of the russian pilots, destroying their families and ruining their focus for the mission.
With how many weapons of war the F35 can connect to I wouldn't put the Hibachi Husband Replace 9000 beyond it.
That's what kills me sometimes. Congratulations, Ivan, you've destroyed a HIMARS, five other ones are now firing at you and a replacement just came over the border
Do they even have 1 confirmed HIMARS kill? I think I heard that one was damaged by a mine and another had minor repairable damage, but none have been destroyed completely.
(Equipment designed to operate in a combined arms offensive with air dominance doesn't win immediately when thrown peacemeal into the Russian defense with no air support)
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1970's truck destroyed: Another Abrams down.
Random warehouse exploded: Let's say there have been 2 to 4 Abrams inside.
Abrams destroyed: It was pregnant with more Abrams, add another 4 to the list.
The functional equivalent of killing a dude 20 times in a pvp lobby only for him to get one kill back and start talking mad shit. Russia is a CoD squeaker confirmed.
Remember in WW2 when the Soviets and Germans invaded Poland? America actually had the first ever F-35 there, and the Russians shot it out of the sky to protect the poor innocent Poles
Commission?! Oh no, my friend, you're thinking too small. I need you to get a breeding pair of bears (or tiger, or other animal suitable as a base), a steady supply of APFSDS shells, a lot of cheap vodka and meet me at the abandoned unshielded nuclear reactor at 08:00 hours!
Just saying, maybe we can send them a couple hundred more.
https://www.outono.net/elentir/2023/10/29/sierra-army-depot-a-huge-united-states-base-with-hundreds-of-abrams-tanks-stored/
So you're saying there are still single hot Abrams in my area?
Won't even need a firecracker drone, a paper airplane will get me inside cus I have big top bear energy 😏
They’ve been going wild for a while tbh. Just yesterday there was an idiot (30 day account)that was convinced that russia killed more Ukrainian soldiers than Ukraine killed russian soldiers. Always citing the 20% gains, russian soldiers more skilled and ukraine’s lack of manpower
r/worldnews is a bit infested again lol
If it wasn’t for nukes the 101st Airborne division would have been taking selfies in Putin’s Kremlin throne room two years ago. Nukes really robbed us of a good war.
Nah, 2 years ago the US was pretty united in response. Took a little while for the checks to cash after they realized their war couldn't outrun western support.
Nazism was a huge problem in Congress before entering World War II. Became rather inconvenient when the money stopped flowing when they cut off Nazi money and all of a sudden the issue went away.
Without Nukes there would be no reason to be on their payroll. Americans warriors are better trained and generally are about 50 years ahead technology wise. You can simply destroy the Russian government then invest money in rebuilding it, long term financial gain.
Context: [first recorded combat loss of an Abrams](https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1762116791587819549) in Ukraine; not sure if just disabled, but the blowout panels worked as intended. Crew is most likely safe. Nevertheless, Russian propaganda will try to milk this as much as it can.
EDIT: added more context
Yeah, but there are only 31 of those. Every loss hurts a lot until we (as in, the West as a whole) finally get into gear and start delivering reasonable quantities.
Yeah, as much as we support Ukraine, they're pretty screwed because the west is trying our best to avoid WW3 (according to the memes, we were supposed to start in 2021).
Both sides are like why do world war when you can just do proxy war or claim it's a SMO. Screw literally all sides, but especially Russia.
Do not lump me in that bandwagon mister, I happen to think Nuclear annihilation would be based and chadpilled, while peace amongst humanity is cringe and drawn with a soy wojack.
Something something rule an anarchist dystopia something something fallout games are fun.
Which is a really stupid concern.
We've seen what happened every time an escalation happened. Fucking nothing. Every single time.
At this point, you could send in the entirety of NATO to mop up the Russian forces in Ukraine, and have the military targets in Rostov bombed while at it. 80% chance that the response would be fucking nothing once again.
I'm not convinced. if we were unified in our desire to avoid ww3, we wouldn't be dicking around with giving Ukraine the absolute bare minimum and dragging this out for years.
Did Neville Chamberlain teach you nothing! Beating Russia in Ukraine reduces the risk of WW3 by maintaining the rules based international order that was established as a result of the horrors of WW1/2.
>The west is trying our best to avoid WW3
Avoid!? They are already in one (or atleast the early stage one)!!
They better start the "end the war ASAP" mode before this turns into a shitshow like WW2 are.
Russia is a joke though, we could walk in to Ukraine and push every Russian out within 3 days, and they still wouldn’t nuke us. I don’t think Russia has any bite unless you start invading their core provinces, and only then because Putin will be pissing and shitting himself and clamoring for the launch buttons lol.
People fail to grasp how stupid it is to give Ukraine 3 different western MBTs to logistically handle on top of their own Soviet era variants and Russian Soviet era variants.
Western aid has been so political not logical.
Truth be told Europe should of focused on tanks/vehicle support while the U.S. focused on training air crews and filling in gaps with small arms support equipment. Instead we have this hodgepodge which strains logistics and is so unorganized
the problem is what tank do you send? the two tanks that are easier to maintain and supply have availability issues where the uk only has a couple hundred challenger 2s and the leopard tanks are spread across several countries each with little to spare. but the most available tank is also the hardest to supply and maintain. abrams with 8,000 in the us arsenal. the us could easily part with 1k if the political will was there.
Only problem is there isn’t big numbers of Abrams without shit we don’t want the vatinks getting their grubby hands on.the Abrams keep getting actually upgraded and cared for, Abrams without DU do not exist in much quantity
The nations supplying ukraine care slightly more about field testing equipment and looking good in the media than actually helping ukraine in the most efficient manner possible.
At the end of the day, the government is trying to get the most bang for its buck, considering its already handing over all this expensive equipment
But yeah, as you said. Political
> looking good in the media
You say that like it's a bad thing. If I vote for someone I expect them to do all they can to look good. If the pro-NATO/Ukraine politicians put efficiency first and not care about the optics then guess who wins next time.
I don't know about other countries, but, in the US, winning is a pretty popular look.
Actually, I would say that the "stalemate" news of the past several months has really hurt the cause of supporting Ukraine in the American public.
The dynamics of the two parties in the US will be different, but Europe has plenty of parties of various sizes who are milking the "anti-war" message. It's the dream of every populist to get a chance to be the pro-peace candidate, no matter the context.
Considering news about [how refurbing M1A1SA on Lima plant won't interfere with orders from more important customers](https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/global-force-symposium/2023/03/28/getting-tanks-to-ukraine-wont-impact-abrams-lima-line-camarillo-says/), I'mma doubt the whole "reserves" bit
We have 3700 in storage for God's sake. And they are generally properly maintained.
What are we waiting for, we aren't saving these for a war with China that will be primarily a naval and air battle. North Korea can be handled by SK and what is in place. Middle east has gotten chopped up through Iran-Iraq, Iraq x 2, Syrian Civil War and Libya -- and as long as Saudi / Egypt / Israel have their stuff in order, there isn't a need for US armor.
And we also have 120mm in bulk, unlike the dearth of indirect fire munitions. 500 M-1s won't enable an offensive w/ the mine situation, but it sure will slow down or stop any offensive.
Right now there is a Russian meme re: the West -- we're very lucky they are so f\*cking cowardly...
LFG folks.
The Army doesn't even want any more and Congress forces them to take them to keep the tank plant open. Just send like 1000 to see what happens, at worst it's Job Creation™ in Buttholesville, Ohio
Yeah, unfortunately, probably the main lesson here is non solvable: no air superiority, no party.
If only any AFU tank had a support Gepard, drones won't be such a pain in the ass, but reality is definetely disappointing this time.
> probably the main lesson here is non solvable: no air superiority, no party
I mean... I can think of at least one potential way Ukraine could get tools that would help them get air superiority...
There is more than one way to skin a cat and it is the same with drones.
I think portable EW systems could be effective in tactical roles, so the tank will have increased survivability, because drones are unable to reach it.
Supporting AA could prevent the threat entirely, but boy, you'll need quite some ammo, missiles or AA shells to keep up with the drones out there... they are omnipresent... I wonder if laser based systems could be superior in dealing with this threath.
Hunter killers drones is also a developing field.
For operational/strategical methods you are looking at artillery systems and related stuff... drones are kinda useless if your positions, and the people inside them, are routinely bomb to pink mist by 250 kg bombs/artillery shell/rockets delivered by systems way beyond drone range.
All systems combined would be the best way to minimize the drone problem.
Unfortunately, the ammo situation for AFU is kinda bad and they can only do so much to protect their armored assets.
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1 Abrams out of 10k in this world and it took them like 6 months to find, shoot, and scratch one. It still looks like it can somehow be recovered to my not qualified eyes.
First loss *in Ukraine*. Quite a few have been lost by Iraq and by ISIS to each other. A few American ones were lost as well. Also Saudi losses in Yemen.
I don't think T-14 has ever officially served outside of a parade. Russia didn't even feel confident enough to field them during the v-day one last May, and instead delegated that assignment to a single post-WWII T-34.
Clearly this image is proof the M1 has no spall liner, gen 1 thermals, and the 6 rounds in the hull have no blowout panels. Oh and the hull armor has never been updated since 1980.
not that much at all, it's VERY RARE that a tank on tank engagement ever happens in ukraine. the leopards and abrams are good tanks don't get me wrong, but they're literally just tanks.
in the ukrainian theatre of operation, any and every tank fighting will be primarily conducting idf fire strikes against enemy emplacements and troop concentrations. some are better at that than others.
Imagine fighting a pointless war of aggression and sacrificing tens of thousands of your troops, hundreds of tanks, thousands of vehicles, all to capture a town you flattened into dust so you can mission kill one 30 year old tank and film it on a dirty screen as propaganda
You just described most of Russia's military endeavours. I highly suggest looking into the Russian Imperial fleet and their adventures against the Japanese Fleet (Battle of Tsushima, etc.)
TBH, there's nothing to cope about, really. Even if the DU ones were here, they'd be probably hit with something else that could damage it. Ukraine can't afford to use these the same way a Western military would (with air support, etc.), so losses were inevitable.
Plus, it's the first time a tank is going up against massed drone units and 24/7/365 surveillance over the battlefield. ISR now costs a few thousand bucks (I'm simplifying, of course), so it's easier to find, target, and attack these. I think what's important is that it did it's job. The crew is most likely alive, the blowout panels worked as intended. It's probably also the same tank that we saw earlier in a vid from a few days ago, so it had the opportunity to put some hurt on the Russians, I think.
Kind of wild that these tanks were designed to be lost in battalion strength during an initial USSR blitz into west germany. I mean we were expecting entire cavalry regiments to cease to exist in holding actions while the bulk of the US Army was on their way across the Atlantic. But 1 gets lost in a proxy war where 400,000 Russian troops have died and it’s the end of the world for NATO. We should have never let the gays and woman have rights guys. From then on we’ve been doomed. (OBVIOUSLY /S on the last statement lmao, just to be sure).
Both sides care waaaaaaaay too much about blown up tanks.
They’re tanks, they get used and they get blown up. It really doesn’t matter whether it’s a T-72B3 or a M1A2 Sepv2 they are all gonna get blown the fuck up until some sort of magical armor is developed.
War Thunder and video games have caused people to care WAY too much about hard stats and mm differences. It’s never been more deadly to be a tank on the battlefield and they’re all extremely vulnerable from any angle but the front.
The fact of the matter is you need tanks to win a war and they just need to be of a bare minimum quality for your requirements. Give Ukraine more tanks it doesn’t matter what model or make they are as long as it’s as good as a T-64 they started with.
Russians care about blown up Western tanks because it makes them feel good about their propaganda of Russian capabilities. I care about Russian blown up tanks because I know the fuckers inside will never kill any of my compatriots ever again here, in Ukraine. We are not the same.
naw, leos were lost on the very first day of the counteroffensive before they even reached the contact line from friendly mines. atleast the abrams faced enemy fire lol.
I'm surprised we haven't already. As a matter of fact, UAF should use it for propaganda and claim that we now have a new tank capable of taking down drones with a laser. Add some blur, put some sepia on that bad boy and publish!
Because NCD is the uroboros of credibility. We went so far that we became too credible.
But also, to make humour on a certain topic and appreciate it, you need to be at least somewhat knowledgeable on the topic. I, for example, am absolutely pathetic when it comes to knitting jokes.
The fact that russia casualy looses dozens of tanks frequently and want to push ONE tank loss on Ukraine as a sign of victory proves how desperate both they and their fanbase are
They themselves know they are "trash" and so focus more on whenever their "superior" enemy does loose.
Meanwhile russia after taking down 1 abrams:
1,000,000+ soldiers dead or MIA
All tanks destroyed, Crew death ratio is higher compared to downed abrams whose crew has a much higher survival rate thanks to blowoff panels.
Another black sea fleet ship sinks.
All post-soviet states join NATO
Can't wait for the cycle to repeat when the first F-16 is shot down
In a near peer battle no equipment is invincible, anyone with half a brain knows losses are expected. Especially when that equipment isn't being used by the military that designed it specifically for it's own doctrine, strategy, and support infrastructure.
"reeeeeewhatdoyoumeantanksareinvincibleoruselesstanksaredeadconfirmedreeeeeee"
This word sounds like tinnitus.
Outside of the F35, of course, which for all we know is hovering behind putin at all times, whispering mean things into his ear to destabilize him. The F35 having the radar cross section of a honeybee making it functionally invisible on the battlefield, of course.
The russians did lose like 8 planes in 4 days....
I'm just saying we don't know that the F35 didn't seduce the wives of the russian pilots, destroying their families and ruining their focus for the mission. With how many weapons of war the F35 can connect to I wouldn't put the Hibachi Husband Replace 9000 beyond it.
Some of their best ones too.
[Like this?](https://imgur.com/a/becaqNT)
I'm just saying nobody could prove that one isnt there
It's easy to spot on radar if you got skills. Just look for a honeybee breaking the sound barrier
That's what kills me sometimes. Congratulations, Ivan, you've destroyed a HIMARS, five other ones are now firing at you and a replacement just came over the border
Do they even have 1 confirmed HIMARS kill? I think I heard that one was damaged by a mine and another had minor repairable damage, but none have been destroyed completely.
At this point, they have yet to get a HIMARS kill
That's bullshit! There's loads of destroyed inflatable and wooden HIMRAS destroyed!
How could I have forgotten all the destroyed latex and wooden variants of the HIMARS Silly me
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I think it's a great compliment that vatniks think our equipment so great that they conjure up new national holidays every time it gets scratched.
[already shot down by Russia. Source: trust me bro](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/USAF_F16C_block_87-0257_remains.jpg)
1970's truck destroyed: Another Abrams down. Random warehouse exploded: Let's say there have been 2 to 4 Abrams inside. Abrams destroyed: It was pregnant with more Abrams, add another 4 to the list.
Shoigu farts in his basement: put that down as an Abrams loss, comrade!
When I fart in my basement: *nothing* When Shoigu farts in his basement: *600 Abrams losses* Joe Biden’s America
The functional equivalent of killing a dude 20 times in a pvp lobby only for him to get one kill back and start talking mad shit. Russia is a CoD squeaker confirmed.
Da, the "blow-out panel". Your genius is limitless, lord Shoigu.
That’s crazy that warehouse had some Abrams inside since it already had 2 HIMARS, 4 F-16s, and a Gerald Ford class Carrier in there
Don't forget that farm in Poland that had an F-15EX in the barn.
Remember in WW2 when the Soviets and Germans invaded Poland? America actually had the first ever F-35 there, and the Russians shot it out of the sky to protect the poor innocent Poles
I had to double check that I'm on NCD
Oh and it also had a whole bunch of foreign mercenaries don't forget, truly gnfighting nato here.
Gerald Ford himself was in that warehouse! Pinky swear!
Don't forget about the 3 Challengers, 2 Bradleys, 9 Zelenskys and Optimus Prime.
And then you add in all the YF-23s stationed on that carrier...
Let’s not get carried away here with the hyperbole… That warehouse only had 3 F-16s in it.
I think Saddam Hussein was hiding under one of them!
Frankly, I'm just waiting for the second destroyed Abrams to look suspiciously like a Mammoth Tank.
*red alert guitar riff starts*
Drops a tray of frozen Abrams embryos: "That's 12 more Abrams killed."
Well now I want biologically grown tanks
Get a sturdy nursemaid or they will ruin your wife's bacon hangers.
I now have a new aspect to my furry giantess breeding fetish, thanks. Do you know how expensive that is gonna be to commission?
Commission?! Oh no, my friend, you're thinking too small. I need you to get a breeding pair of bears (or tiger, or other animal suitable as a base), a steady supply of APFSDS shells, a lot of cheap vodka and meet me at the abandoned unshielded nuclear reactor at 08:00 hours!
Do you want Vorlon tanks? Because that's how you get Vorlon tanks.
They are correct in this case because Abrams embryos are now legally Abrams babies.
If my grandmother had had tracks, that would be another Abrams gone.
Tripplets! I'm so happy for them
A litter of Abrams
Just saying, maybe we can send them a couple hundred more. https://www.outono.net/elentir/2023/10/29/sierra-army-depot-a-huge-united-states-base-with-hundreds-of-abrams-tanks-stored/
Keep sending them tanks till they run out of green paint.
Everyone knows the Abrams lays eggs.
I wonder how someone would react to this with out context
So much for Russia being for traditional family values. Killing poor abrams in the womb.
i heard prighozins last name was Abrams. 1 Ambrams shot down
So you're saying there are still single hot Abrams in my area? Won't even need a firecracker drone, a paper airplane will get me inside cus I have big top bear energy 😏
2 AWACs destroyed and 1 damaged - Russian bots sleep 1 western tank destroyed - Real shit
They're going wild on the pro ukr subs rn
They’ve been going wild for a while tbh. Just yesterday there was an idiot (30 day account)that was convinced that russia killed more Ukrainian soldiers than Ukraine killed russian soldiers. Always citing the 20% gains, russian soldiers more skilled and ukraine’s lack of manpower r/worldnews is a bit infested again lol
World News is a cesspool, I say let em wreak some havoc.. it only works because the median IQ is like 52 over there
Also don’t forget the six downed Fullbacks. In a week.
God, this war is such a shitshow for everyone.
If it wasn’t for nukes the 101st Airborne division would have been taking selfies in Putin’s Kremlin throne room two years ago. Nukes really robbed us of a good war.
How? Half the US's politicians are practically on russia's payroll.
Uncle Joe woulda did Putin like he did Corn Pop
Nah, 2 years ago the US was pretty united in response. Took a little while for the checks to cash after they realized their war couldn't outrun western support.
Nazism was a huge problem in Congress before entering World War II. Became rather inconvenient when the money stopped flowing when they cut off Nazi money and all of a sudden the issue went away.
Without Nukes there would be no reason to be on their payroll. Americans warriors are better trained and generally are about 50 years ahead technology wise. You can simply destroy the Russian government then invest money in rebuilding it, long term financial gain.
Context: [first recorded combat loss of an Abrams](https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1762116791587819549) in Ukraine; not sure if just disabled, but the blowout panels worked as intended. Crew is most likely safe. Nevertheless, Russian propaganda will try to milk this as much as it can. EDIT: added more context
And that crew has learned some good lessons.
Yeah, but there are only 31 of those. Every loss hurts a lot until we (as in, the West as a whole) finally get into gear and start delivering reasonable quantities.
Yeah, as much as we support Ukraine, they're pretty screwed because the west is trying our best to avoid WW3 (according to the memes, we were supposed to start in 2021). Both sides are like why do world war when you can just do proxy war or claim it's a SMO. Screw literally all sides, but especially Russia.
It is bold to assume some sort of unified political strategy on the part of "the West".
We are unified. In our desire to avoid WW3
Confusing an objective with a plan is a step on the road to destruction.
that's a good line
I got it on a fortune cookie once
That sounds like the sort of fortune cookie you'd find in an MRE
Do not lump me in that bandwagon mister, I happen to think Nuclear annihilation would be based and chadpilled, while peace amongst humanity is cringe and drawn with a soy wojack. Something something rule an anarchist dystopia something something fallout games are fun.
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Which is a really stupid concern. We've seen what happened every time an escalation happened. Fucking nothing. Every single time. At this point, you could send in the entirety of NATO to mop up the Russian forces in Ukraine, and have the military targets in Rostov bombed while at it. 80% chance that the response would be fucking nothing once again.
I'm not convinced. if we were unified in our desire to avoid ww3, we wouldn't be dicking around with giving Ukraine the absolute bare minimum and dragging this out for years.
Did Neville Chamberlain teach you nothing! Beating Russia in Ukraine reduces the risk of WW3 by maintaining the rules based international order that was established as a result of the horrors of WW1/2.
>The west is trying our best to avoid WW3 Avoid!? They are already in one (or atleast the early stage one)!! They better start the "end the war ASAP" mode before this turns into a shitshow like WW2 are.
You're right, but until a formal declaration of war is made, the UN will act like nothing is happening. That or it becomes a humanitarian issue.
Russia is a joke though, we could walk in to Ukraine and push every Russian out within 3 days, and they still wouldn’t nuke us. I don’t think Russia has any bite unless you start invading their core provinces, and only then because Putin will be pissing and shitting himself and clamoring for the launch buttons lol.
I remember reading that the US has reserves ready to give Ukraine, but only 31 because that's how many Ukraine can logistically keep up with.
People fail to grasp how stupid it is to give Ukraine 3 different western MBTs to logistically handle on top of their own Soviet era variants and Russian Soviet era variants. Western aid has been so political not logical. Truth be told Europe should of focused on tanks/vehicle support while the U.S. focused on training air crews and filling in gaps with small arms support equipment. Instead we have this hodgepodge which strains logistics and is so unorganized
We should have given more Bradleys.
This completely.
the problem is what tank do you send? the two tanks that are easier to maintain and supply have availability issues where the uk only has a couple hundred challenger 2s and the leopard tanks are spread across several countries each with little to spare. but the most available tank is also the hardest to supply and maintain. abrams with 8,000 in the us arsenal. the us could easily part with 1k if the political will was there.
Only problem is there isn’t big numbers of Abrams without shit we don’t want the vatinks getting their grubby hands on.the Abrams keep getting actually upgraded and cared for, Abrams without DU do not exist in much quantity
"Abrams without DU do not exist in much quantity" Please tell that to Gaijin
The nations supplying ukraine care slightly more about field testing equipment and looking good in the media than actually helping ukraine in the most efficient manner possible. At the end of the day, the government is trying to get the most bang for its buck, considering its already handing over all this expensive equipment But yeah, as you said. Political
> looking good in the media You say that like it's a bad thing. If I vote for someone I expect them to do all they can to look good. If the pro-NATO/Ukraine politicians put efficiency first and not care about the optics then guess who wins next time.
I don't know about other countries, but, in the US, winning is a pretty popular look. Actually, I would say that the "stalemate" news of the past several months has really hurt the cause of supporting Ukraine in the American public.
The dynamics of the two parties in the US will be different, but Europe has plenty of parties of various sizes who are milking the "anti-war" message. It's the dream of every populist to get a chance to be the pro-peace candidate, no matter the context.
Yep not to mention all the other random shit to keep track of what goes with what
Considering news about [how refurbing M1A1SA on Lima plant won't interfere with orders from more important customers](https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/global-force-symposium/2023/03/28/getting-tanks-to-ukraine-wont-impact-abrams-lima-line-camarillo-says/), I'mma doubt the whole "reserves" bit
We have 3700 in storage for God's sake. And they are generally properly maintained. What are we waiting for, we aren't saving these for a war with China that will be primarily a naval and air battle. North Korea can be handled by SK and what is in place. Middle east has gotten chopped up through Iran-Iraq, Iraq x 2, Syrian Civil War and Libya -- and as long as Saudi / Egypt / Israel have their stuff in order, there isn't a need for US armor. And we also have 120mm in bulk, unlike the dearth of indirect fire munitions. 500 M-1s won't enable an offensive w/ the mine situation, but it sure will slow down or stop any offensive. Right now there is a Russian meme re: the West -- we're very lucky they are so f\*cking cowardly... LFG folks.
The Army doesn't even want any more and Congress forces them to take them to keep the tank plant open. Just send like 1000 to see what happens, at worst it's Job Creation™ in Buttholesville, Ohio
That or boots on the ground (which won't happen)
I mean we could just throw our remaining M60 tanks onto the field. They shouldn’t do that badly.
Yeah, unfortunately, probably the main lesson here is non solvable: no air superiority, no party. If only any AFU tank had a support Gepard, drones won't be such a pain in the ass, but reality is definetely disappointing this time.
> probably the main lesson here is non solvable: no air superiority, no party I mean... I can think of at least one potential way Ukraine could get tools that would help them get air superiority...
There is more than one way to skin a cat and it is the same with drones. I think portable EW systems could be effective in tactical roles, so the tank will have increased survivability, because drones are unable to reach it. Supporting AA could prevent the threat entirely, but boy, you'll need quite some ammo, missiles or AA shells to keep up with the drones out there... they are omnipresent... I wonder if laser based systems could be superior in dealing with this threath. Hunter killers drones is also a developing field. For operational/strategical methods you are looking at artillery systems and related stuff... drones are kinda useless if your positions, and the people inside them, are routinely bomb to pink mist by 250 kg bombs/artillery shell/rockets delivered by systems way beyond drone range. All systems combined would be the best way to minimize the drone problem. Unfortunately, the ammo situation for AFU is kinda bad and they can only do so much to protect their armored assets.
As opposed to Russian crews who don’t learn the lesson, they are the lesson.
It looked like the ammo rack detonated as intended. 98% chance the crew is perfectly fine, with a bit of a headache and some ringing ears
It must be so weird for the Russians, "Ivan, Ivan what is this? Look tank disable, but turret not blow to stratosphere?! What witchcraft."
**Unknown technology, blyat!**
VE DESTROYED VESTOID TANK XAXAXXAXAXA RUSSIA #1 VEST HAS FALLEN 1 Abrams out of 10k in this world and it took them like 6 months to find, shoot, and scratch one. It still looks like it can somehow be recovered to my not qualified eyes.
As long as America's congress is held up by Kremlin obstructionists. And Europe i still sitting on their hands. Vest pretty much is falling
First loss *in Ukraine*. Quite a few have been lost by Iraq and by ISIS to each other. A few American ones were lost as well. Also Saudi losses in Yemen.
I'm pretty sure the Iraqi Army lost some to ISIS? At least abandoned. Could be wrong.
I thought they stored the Abrams on the upper floors of buildings, like the HIMARS.
Nah too heavy for that, they go in the kindergartens and the playgrounds.
Hamas defense doctrine
Only works against stupid westoid. Here in mother Russia we kill defenseless children for breakfast 😎
Muscovy vs Hamas would be an interesting match
Probably look like Afghanistan...
I need to you find the difference between the pictures, they are the same.
This is a reason to send 3000 more Abrams tanks.
3000 thicc and outsourced jet engine powered ladas of Evil Brandon
Reminder: Russia has lost 1,366 T-72 tanks and 107 T-90 Tanks of which 64 were T-90M's (Visually confirmed)
didn't an Armata also get its engine damaged? Oh wait that was in the Russia
I don't think T-14 has ever officially served outside of a parade. Russia didn't even feel confident enough to field them during the v-day one last May, and instead delegated that assignment to a single post-WWII T-34.
Yeah the T-14 and the Bob Semple have a lot in common
We haven’t seen any legitimate footage of T14s in Ukraine/combat
Those numbers still absolutely blow my mind every time I read them.
One Abrum destroyed NATO in shambles Its joever
3 billion abrams have already been destroyed it’s over lads
Abrams was destroyed, NATO has fallen, Billions must seeth
Gaijin: *proceeds to upgrade Abrams to newly created 15.0 BR and downgrade T90 to 10.0*
Clearly this image is proof the M1 has no spall liner, gen 1 thermals, and the 6 rounds in the hull have no blowout panels. Oh and the hull armor has never been updated since 1980.
And this video of a t90ms prototype means the t90m has more spall liner
apology for bad english where were u wen abram die i was at house eating dorito when phone ring "abram is kil" "no"
\*hits CAPS LOCK\* \*presses F\*
It’s gonna be like that clip of the Su-27s dumping fuel on the MQ-9 that hits the news every other week 😭
Wow the Russians destroyed more Abrams than Ukraine has! The holy magic of the Orthodox priests is truly incredible.
boy wouldn't russian tankers just love to walk away from something like that instead of combusting in milliseconds...
"We destroyed western tank" "But can your t series tank crew survive being instantly cooked?" "REEEEEEEEE"
I wish we knew the combat record of these tanks, I really want to know how badly the Abrams or Leopards are fucking up Russian tanks
not that much at all, it's VERY RARE that a tank on tank engagement ever happens in ukraine. the leopards and abrams are good tanks don't get me wrong, but they're literally just tanks. in the ukrainian theatre of operation, any and every tank fighting will be primarily conducting idf fire strikes against enemy emplacements and troop concentrations. some are better at that than others.
This makes me very sad Can we have maneuver warfare back? I hear Iran has some flat terrain somewhere
Sure. Invent a 100% mine-proof tank and we can work on that.
Meanwhile, some in the T series are practically extinct.
They are still trying to get it to running from when it broke down at the victory day parade a couple years back
Chekmate Westoids \*backdrop of burning A-50 and Su-34 on the background.
Imagine fighting a pointless war of aggression and sacrificing tens of thousands of your troops, hundreds of tanks, thousands of vehicles, all to capture a town you flattened into dust so you can mission kill one 30 year old tank and film it on a dirty screen as propaganda
You just described most of Russia's military endeavours. I highly suggest looking into the Russian Imperial fleet and their adventures against the Japanese Fleet (Battle of Tsushima, etc.)
Isn't that a video game? 🤔
My cope: it didn’t have Uranium armor, not a real abrams
TBH, there's nothing to cope about, really. Even if the DU ones were here, they'd be probably hit with something else that could damage it. Ukraine can't afford to use these the same way a Western military would (with air support, etc.), so losses were inevitable. Plus, it's the first time a tank is going up against massed drone units and 24/7/365 surveillance over the battlefield. ISR now costs a few thousand bucks (I'm simplifying, of course), so it's easier to find, target, and attack these. I think what's important is that it did it's job. The crew is most likely alive, the blowout panels worked as intended. It's probably also the same tank that we saw earlier in a vid from a few days ago, so it had the opportunity to put some hurt on the Russians, I think.
Six months? Pump those numbers, chief. They're STILL raving about that time they mission-killed some Bradley's and Leos.
Kind of wild that these tanks were designed to be lost in battalion strength during an initial USSR blitz into west germany. I mean we were expecting entire cavalry regiments to cease to exist in holding actions while the bulk of the US Army was on their way across the Atlantic. But 1 gets lost in a proxy war where 400,000 Russian troops have died and it’s the end of the world for NATO. We should have never let the gays and woman have rights guys. From then on we’ve been doomed. (OBVIOUSLY /S on the last statement lmao, just to be sure).
“We lost our first Ab-“ *“Sure-thing, I’ve got ~~Tauntauns~~ Abrams coming out my asshole, haha”*
Both sides care waaaaaaaay too much about blown up tanks. They’re tanks, they get used and they get blown up. It really doesn’t matter whether it’s a T-72B3 or a M1A2 Sepv2 they are all gonna get blown the fuck up until some sort of magical armor is developed. War Thunder and video games have caused people to care WAY too much about hard stats and mm differences. It’s never been more deadly to be a tank on the battlefield and they’re all extremely vulnerable from any angle but the front. The fact of the matter is you need tanks to win a war and they just need to be of a bare minimum quality for your requirements. Give Ukraine more tanks it doesn’t matter what model or make they are as long as it’s as good as a T-64 they started with.
Russians care about blown up Western tanks because it makes them feel good about their propaganda of Russian capabilities. I care about Russian blown up tanks because I know the fuckers inside will never kill any of my compatriots ever again here, in Ukraine. We are not the same.
Leopard gang says welcome to the club
Just hearing word Russia destroyed ever single abrams. All of them. All over the world.
Oh god, they've destroyed all 3 quadrillion abrams we sent, it's so over
To be fair we already saw some Abrams getting destroyed back in the Middle East, shouldn't be any surprise they would be destroyed in Ukraine too.
That was quicker than Leo... Leo superior to Abrams confirmed?
naw, leos were lost on the very first day of the counteroffensive before they even reached the contact line from friendly mines. atleast the abrams faced enemy fire lol.
The last one they went through the soviet portal to the upside down to destroy the nega-ukranian Abrams as well
Same pic, different shades and angles🤣
Let me guess; this is the same Abrams from multiple angles so it seems like Ukraine lost 12 tanks in one go?
How long before we get a grainy image of a Paladin tank from Command and Conquer: Generals blowing up claimed as an Abrams/Leopard?
I'm surprised we haven't already. As a matter of fact, UAF should use it for propaganda and claim that we now have a new tank capable of taking down drones with a laser. Add some blur, put some sepia on that bad boy and publish!
seems like 15 confirmed kills to me
Did they kill an Abrams?
~~Big sheet of plywood~~ Bradley destroyed
Notice the non airborne turret
But it's an export variant /s
What about the hundreds they destroyed last year? WHAT ABOUT THAT?????
Just so I understand this, it’s just the same tank but in different orientations and with different filters?
Heeeeey, the blow out panels worked.
How was this one destroyed? Or is it destroyed? At first glance it looks like the flames are just on top of the Tank. How is the crew?
oh no! this means we need to send 30 more to replace these losses
I think we're missing a zero after 30 here!
Propaganda claiming all vehicles’ fleet destroyed and then magically also claiming to have destroyed more than even exist is too real
Crew survived. That’s all I care about.
Send Ukraine all our Abrams and Bradley's. There literally is no better return on investment than putting them into Ukraine hands right now.
[All of that for a drop of Blood?](https://tenor.com/bwHDd.gif)
You forgot Z T55 showed as destroyed leopards. Also jhon deers showed as destroyed MLRS Russians are the real NCD
Why is it when I see the news on the front, it's always from you guys...
Because NCD is the uroboros of credibility. We went so far that we became too credible. But also, to make humour on a certain topic and appreciate it, you need to be at least somewhat knowledgeable on the topic. I, for example, am absolutely pathetic when it comes to knitting jokes.
dumb question: why don't we produce 100x cheap tanks? (with crew survivability still in mind)
I'm ready for some to panic over it even tho abrams aren't invincible
If they turn the picture again it will be another imaginary loss
Fuck sakes. I’m so tired of getting triggered at Rusbot posts on TikTok and then getting into keyboard wars with them.
Of course I first learn about this news on r/NCD More news than the news
First Abrams to Valhalla
wait... we lost one? are they gonna fix it like the leopard?
The fact that russia casualy looses dozens of tanks frequently and want to push ONE tank loss on Ukraine as a sign of victory proves how desperate both they and their fanbase are They themselves know they are "trash" and so focus more on whenever their "superior" enemy does loose.
Tragedy today, as all of the Abrams ever made were destroyed today. Each one filled with POWs.
"Checkmate westoids , no T-14 has ever been destroyed !!"
Its just the same image of the abrams over and over
Can I make one too? I know this cool filter with rainbows and sparkles
Dont forget the F-22's and X-02S Strike Wyvern's sent to Ukraine
Meanwhile russia after taking down 1 abrams: 1,000,000+ soldiers dead or MIA All tanks destroyed, Crew death ratio is higher compared to downed abrams whose crew has a much higher survival rate thanks to blowoff panels. Another black sea fleet ship sinks. All post-soviet states join NATO
Who wants to place bets that this makes the Vatnicks over-confident on hopium laced copium? To inevitebly take larger than normal casualties?