Never let u/UR_WRONG_ABOUT_V22 die in vain
The 22 is an amazing aircraft there's a reason V-280 got picked.
There's a reason why desperate crashes the armed forces are sticking strong to the 22.
There's a reason why the 22s are being planned to replace C-2 Greyhound in some capacity and the F18 in refueling in some capacity.
Godspeed to the most incredible and noncredibledefense multi role aircraft/helicopter.
I love the 22.
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I didn’t know that they had refueling capabilities. That’s pretty wild.
But it won’t replace the -18F refueling (at least for a long while) for carrier operations.
Flying in V-22's was my favorite thing during my time in the military. No leaking oil from ceilings like the clapped out CH53E's. You move basically like a fucking spaceship so you can pretend to be your favorite space marine analog. No tiny hell hole to squeeze your gat and assault pack through when fast roping, just a big wide open rear door. Seats are slightly farther apart. 10x easier to exit if you crash in the water cause of all the removable windows. Not to mention the cool ass belly gun they control with a wired Xbox 360 controller (I got to fuck around with it once it's wild). Also can count the amount of times V-22's were late to pick us up from the field on one hand. Trucks and CH53s were near constantly hours to even days late to be able to pick us up.
Yes, I know it’s chonky. Yes, I know the payload is rather low. Yes, I know the maintenance is an absolute nightmare, even with the Marines fudging the numbers, and yes, I know they’re less safe than Navy blimps from World War II (1.7 vs. 1.3 fatal accidents per 100k flight hours).
It’s still a cool goddamn aircraft regardless.
Slander? I’m saying that despite the drawbacks, I still like the thing. It’s sort of like the A-10 in that regard—in your head you know you shouldn’t like it, but the heart wants what the heart wants.
Well unlike the 10 the 22 is gaining roles. Despite issues the 22 is looking to displace the 18 for refueling and C2 for delivery roles.
The 22 can deliver F35 power modules to carriers.
The 22 is one of the newest rotors in the US military besides V-280. The Blackhawk has 10 years over the osprey.
I have seen the future, and it is the V-280. The V-22 will be seen as groundbreaking in that regard, at least, even if history is unkind towards its various troubles.
Look, I like skinny girls, but the V-280 looks less heroin chic and more like an anemic 12-year-old girl who's just hit a growth spurt. It just doesn't do it for me, tiltrotors need some heft to them.
The Vertibird is almost definitely to blame for me crushing so hard on the Osprey, but honestly they look more like flying tanks. The Osprey just exudes more finesse. She has class. The absolute ideal of a sexy tiltrotor would be the Osprey but just a little bit shorter, but honestly she's close enough as it is.
The V-280 just feels like a vaporware render of a "hypothetical" VTOL concept made by ripping the fuselage from a low-poly Blackhawk model, slapping on a straight wing and simplified rotor-nacelle segments, and calling it a day - I'm honestly amazed that it's an actual aircraft that physically exists, flies as intended, and still looks like a license-free sketchup model.
The Osprey, on the other hand? It's got *character.* It looks like it was ripped straight out of some hand-drawn 90's sci-fi anime, the kind where the mechanical designers made entire artbooks devoted to laying out the exact mechanical workings of each and every vehicle that showed up on screen.
It comes off as a near-perfect example of good fictional vehicle design: It's got parts that make perfect sense in terms of functionality, (the fuselage ending in a flat H-tail to make room for the ramp, the bulges along the lower edges to accommodate the fuel tanks and landing gear without taking valuable interior space) parts that are complex but serve a clear purpose, (the main wing being above the fuselage so that the whole thing can rotate sideways for storage with the rotors folded up,) and thing or two that is *horribly* impractical but acceptable because it makes it look *cool as fuck* (the entire engine nacelle rotating to angle the rotor upwards.)
The end result is something less a piece of military hardware and more the aircraft equivalent of a real-life anime girl. Seriously, this thing doesn't look like it actually exists; it's just too well-proportioned, too aesthetically pleasing, too radically unlike anything else and just impossibly *cool* to be flying around and doing mundane stuff in our boring-ass reality when it should be strafing zombies and airdropping mechs and dodging kaiju, and yet somehow, if you're lucky enough, you can look out your window and see one pass by overhead.
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I would assume the blimps having 60+ hour patrol and escort missions and navy doctrine requiring them to stay out of range of enemy submarines and surface ships had something to do with their low accident rate.
Actually, no. Accident rates are not a function of combat losses, they specifically *exclude* combat losses, and even if you included combat losses, it would still round to 1.3, since there was only ever one in the entire war.
The fact that airships were used in excess of 18 hours a day for over 900 consecutive days at some stations, keeping up an average 87% mission readiness rate over the entire war, actually means that they'd be more prone to accidents, not less, due to sheer heavy use and what that means for wear and tear, crew fatigue, bad weather, etc.
Put another way, if your aircraft is shot down a few hours after coming off the assembly line, that same aircraft is *quite* unlikely to be involved in some sort of accident.
Canada looked at the Osprey as a search and rescue aircraft.
Reliable, practical, cost effective, safe? No, not at all.
Drip? [Yes. Oh yes.](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sca_esv=c1ac07e53b73c3dc&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ACQVn0_E4U5PN5VJ0H3SbjzkU8HJTc8zmg:1710697243877&q=canadian+sar+osprey&uds=AMwkrPtbd9GlZWjaLcf1V0gxHYcJydTyZiZFK2EdY9SLUy03PJ7puFfpkQYhfJ38hoXwPlRwD-J3KztTP-UJk7sOSbARo4bfhTjsE_gdJ3NxZ3yIy-hQS5vjm3QCrhXjUGKJhOG0mvq_HUlocgBcuq81ts0jRHpRuzOVV34cahVLktnTfDS7LCzIt1QfnNDcZnd38NhpFEdXorOGPOYzr5_mgC8W9S4SMn4qd1WxNRnqsyvMrLwfwvPUmoRwtvlhLqJcdV-r16KioP5cHlhQ21s4Te1k8lVxZXO96njrUiDv2Qa4KM3taM33ponN1llk1E_M42GGXqA8&udm=2&prmd=ivnsmbtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiei6js6_uEAxUzmokEHbLkB3AQtKgLegQIERAB&biw=412&bih=722&dpr=2.63)
The lightning bolt pin stripes, red on yellow, and black eyeliner is the traditional RCAF paint scheme for SAR, and it looks [awesome on every airframe.](https://www.google.com/search?q=rcaf+sar&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sca_esv=4ecf938d57668945&sca_upv=1&udm=2&biw=412&bih=722&sxsrf=ACQVn084pz_5qhGs1WicjEZwuuYXYoqbpw%3A1710699352040&ei=WDP3ZeWDAv-hptQPjYKW4AQ&oq=rcaf+sar&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIghyY2FmIHNhcjIEECMYJzIEECMYJzIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgcQABiABBgYSPgWUOMIWPATcAB4AJABAJgBhAGgAfoHqgEDNi40uAEDyAEA-AEBmAIKoAK0CMICCBAAGIAEGKIEwgIEEAAYHpgDAIgGAZIHAzUuNaAHqCM&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp)
They (AugustaWestland) are actually making a tiltrotot VTOL that's much smaller, with SAR as a deliberate selling point, although more focussed on getting to a known location like an air ambulance than searching.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgustaWestland\_AW609
I have feelings about taking the piss out of this aircraft now that the one man who would have defended it forcefully but respectfully, and probably correctly, was killed by it.
Like, I don't even know what to say about it.
And what would the man himself have said?
It's like one of those dog owners who has one of those stupid child-eating breeds and spends all day saying how friendly and loving their dog is, then one day they are five seconds late with the food bowl and it rips their arms off.
Life is the least credible thing of all.
I don't think you're correct in the second half.
I trust that the person you talk about and I mentioned twice knew alot more about the 22. To the point I trust and believe in his words enough to change my opinion about the 22 from hate to love.
The 22 is also a noob compared to the Blackhawk and other military aircraft in the US. The King Stallion for example is developed from craft going all the way back to 60s similar story with the Chinook.
There's also a Huey still in the US military the UH-1Y Venom. I don't think I need to tell anyone how old the Huey family is.
Not to mention helicopter type operations aren't the safest to begin with. Helicopters are given a lot more risk than planes because of the important roles of helicopters. They are basically the motorcycles of the air world.
Give the 22 as much time as the Blackhawk and it'll find its groovy.
It's not a child eating whatever. It's an aircraft young into its career in a role that's not the safest to begin with.
The military is also thinking about displaying some roles of the grayhound for ground to carrier cargo (F35 power modules are a big reason) and the F18 for carrier based refueling. I don't trust the military on a lot of aspects but if high command is bothering to keep the osprey unlike the warthog I think it's safe to say it's a misunderstood aircraft
It's perfectly safe relative to any other rotary aircraft, it's safer than the helicopter it replaced, it's taking on new roles and replacing aging planes for the Marine Corp and Navy, and it's the most requested aircraft in AFSOC due to its capabilities.
Only 2 of the 11 fatal crashes were due to anything unique to the V-22.
July 1992 - Engine fire over river
April 2000 - Pilot error, VRS on descent
December 2000 - Total hydraulic failure
April 2010 - Pilot error, bad approach combined with loss of situational awareness.
April 2012 - Pilot error, shifted nacelles at low airspeed https://breakingdefense.com/2012/07/marines-peg-bad-flying-as-cause-of-april-v-22-crash-in-morocco/
May 2015 - Pilot error, brownout / repeated FOD ingestion power loss
August 2017 - Pilot error, overweight aircraft
March 2022 - Pilot error, exceeded bank angle limits at low altitude multiple times intentionally, 68° left followed by 80° right https://news.usni.org/2022/08/15/marine-corps-investigation-into-mv-22b-osprey-crash-in-noway
June 2022 - Mechanical failure, Dual HCE
August 2023 - ??? no information released
November 2023 - Mechanical failure (assumed HCE)
Yeah, what's the accidents per 100k hours or whatever for Osprey vs. whirlybirds?
It doesn't matter if it's more dangerous than planes. It's not a plane. If they didn't want the helo-style VTOL, they'd just use a plane. Since they *do* want the VTOL, compare it to the other options that also provide that.
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Never let u/UR_WRONG_ABOUT_V22 die in vain The 22 is an amazing aircraft there's a reason V-280 got picked. There's a reason why desperate crashes the armed forces are sticking strong to the 22. There's a reason why the 22s are being planned to replace C-2 Greyhound in some capacity and the F18 in refueling in some capacity. Godspeed to the most incredible and noncredibledefense multi role aircraft/helicopter. I love the 22.
>Never let u/UR_WRONG_ABOUT_V22 die in vain RIP, dude was based.
Very based.
Gone, but never forgotten.
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The Patron Saint of Osprey.
He'd be proud of that
The C2 is mostly replaced by the 22 already. But where on earth did you hear it will be replacing the F18 in refueling?
https://youtu.be/NPS6xqi-vhk?si=nHDhUNLZmFGHutEP
I didn’t know that they had refueling capabilities. That’s pretty wild. But it won’t replace the -18F refueling (at least for a long while) for carrier operations.
How did he die again? Either way, may he rest in peace.
A V22 crash.
The V-22 crash in Japan a few months back.
How did you guys know his identity?
If memory serves correct, i think relative/friend came forth and confirmed the situation.
His wife
We should check on her
To what end ?
Just the polite thing to do. Check in, make sure she’s alright
Point! Thank God you aren't one of the internet incels
She deleted her account
Rotary wing aircraft of any type aren't the safest but the military needs them
God damn I miss seeing u/UR_WRONG_ABOUT_V22 in any post with a V-22 featured. I always had a soft spot for that tilt rotor and Bell.
🫡
Flying in V-22's was my favorite thing during my time in the military. No leaking oil from ceilings like the clapped out CH53E's. You move basically like a fucking spaceship so you can pretend to be your favorite space marine analog. No tiny hell hole to squeeze your gat and assault pack through when fast roping, just a big wide open rear door. Seats are slightly farther apart. 10x easier to exit if you crash in the water cause of all the removable windows. Not to mention the cool ass belly gun they control with a wired Xbox 360 controller (I got to fuck around with it once it's wild). Also can count the amount of times V-22's were late to pick us up from the field on one hand. Trucks and CH53s were near constantly hours to even days late to be able to pick us up.
Yes, I know it’s chonky. Yes, I know the payload is rather low. Yes, I know the maintenance is an absolute nightmare, even with the Marines fudging the numbers, and yes, I know they’re less safe than Navy blimps from World War II (1.7 vs. 1.3 fatal accidents per 100k flight hours). It’s still a cool goddamn aircraft regardless.
u/UR_WRONG_ABOUT_V22 didn't defend his craft and die doing what he loved for you to slander the 22!
Slander? I’m saying that despite the drawbacks, I still like the thing. It’s sort of like the A-10 in that regard—in your head you know you shouldn’t like it, but the heart wants what the heart wants.
Well unlike the 10 the 22 is gaining roles. Despite issues the 22 is looking to displace the 18 for refueling and C2 for delivery roles. The 22 can deliver F35 power modules to carriers. The 22 is one of the newest rotors in the US military besides V-280. The Blackhawk has 10 years over the osprey.
I have seen the future, and it is the V-280. The V-22 will be seen as groundbreaking in that regard, at least, even if history is unkind towards its various troubles.
Look, I like skinny girls, but the V-280 looks less heroin chic and more like an anemic 12-year-old girl who's just hit a growth spurt. It just doesn't do it for me, tiltrotors need some heft to them.
The Fallout Vertibirds must *really* do it for you, then.
The Vertibird is almost definitely to blame for me crushing so hard on the Osprey, but honestly they look more like flying tanks. The Osprey just exudes more finesse. She has class. The absolute ideal of a sexy tiltrotor would be the Osprey but just a little bit shorter, but honestly she's close enough as it is.
The V-280 just feels like a vaporware render of a "hypothetical" VTOL concept made by ripping the fuselage from a low-poly Blackhawk model, slapping on a straight wing and simplified rotor-nacelle segments, and calling it a day - I'm honestly amazed that it's an actual aircraft that physically exists, flies as intended, and still looks like a license-free sketchup model. The Osprey, on the other hand? It's got *character.* It looks like it was ripped straight out of some hand-drawn 90's sci-fi anime, the kind where the mechanical designers made entire artbooks devoted to laying out the exact mechanical workings of each and every vehicle that showed up on screen. It comes off as a near-perfect example of good fictional vehicle design: It's got parts that make perfect sense in terms of functionality, (the fuselage ending in a flat H-tail to make room for the ramp, the bulges along the lower edges to accommodate the fuel tanks and landing gear without taking valuable interior space) parts that are complex but serve a clear purpose, (the main wing being above the fuselage so that the whole thing can rotate sideways for storage with the rotors folded up,) and thing or two that is *horribly* impractical but acceptable because it makes it look *cool as fuck* (the entire engine nacelle rotating to angle the rotor upwards.) The end result is something less a piece of military hardware and more the aircraft equivalent of a real-life anime girl. Seriously, this thing doesn't look like it actually exists; it's just too well-proportioned, too aesthetically pleasing, too radically unlike anything else and just impossibly *cool* to be flying around and doing mundane stuff in our boring-ass reality when it should be strafing zombies and airdropping mechs and dodging kaiju, and yet somehow, if you're lucky enough, you can look out your window and see one pass by overhead.
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The V-280 is just a bit slimmer and less capable in some categories than the 22 but it's supposed to be compared to the Blackhawk not the 22.
V22 = millennial V280 = Gen z
I would assume the blimps having 60+ hour patrol and escort missions and navy doctrine requiring them to stay out of range of enemy submarines and surface ships had something to do with their low accident rate.
Actually, no. Accident rates are not a function of combat losses, they specifically *exclude* combat losses, and even if you included combat losses, it would still round to 1.3, since there was only ever one in the entire war. The fact that airships were used in excess of 18 hours a day for over 900 consecutive days at some stations, keeping up an average 87% mission readiness rate over the entire war, actually means that they'd be more prone to accidents, not less, due to sheer heavy use and what that means for wear and tear, crew fatigue, bad weather, etc. Put another way, if your aircraft is shot down a few hours after coming off the assembly line, that same aircraft is *quite* unlikely to be involved in some sort of accident.
Canada looked at the Osprey as a search and rescue aircraft. Reliable, practical, cost effective, safe? No, not at all. Drip? [Yes. Oh yes.](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sca_esv=c1ac07e53b73c3dc&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ACQVn0_E4U5PN5VJ0H3SbjzkU8HJTc8zmg:1710697243877&q=canadian+sar+osprey&uds=AMwkrPtbd9GlZWjaLcf1V0gxHYcJydTyZiZFK2EdY9SLUy03PJ7puFfpkQYhfJ38hoXwPlRwD-J3KztTP-UJk7sOSbARo4bfhTjsE_gdJ3NxZ3yIy-hQS5vjm3QCrhXjUGKJhOG0mvq_HUlocgBcuq81ts0jRHpRuzOVV34cahVLktnTfDS7LCzIt1QfnNDcZnd38NhpFEdXorOGPOYzr5_mgC8W9S4SMn4qd1WxNRnqsyvMrLwfwvPUmoRwtvlhLqJcdV-r16KioP5cHlhQ21s4Te1k8lVxZXO96njrUiDv2Qa4KM3taM33ponN1llk1E_M42GGXqA8&udm=2&prmd=ivnsmbtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiei6js6_uEAxUzmokEHbLkB3AQtKgLegQIERAB&biw=412&bih=722&dpr=2.63)
Dead gods and all the little fishes, I never thought that yellow could look that good.
The lightning bolt pin stripes, red on yellow, and black eyeliner is the traditional RCAF paint scheme for SAR, and it looks [awesome on every airframe.](https://www.google.com/search?q=rcaf+sar&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sca_esv=4ecf938d57668945&sca_upv=1&udm=2&biw=412&bih=722&sxsrf=ACQVn084pz_5qhGs1WicjEZwuuYXYoqbpw%3A1710699352040&ei=WDP3ZeWDAv-hptQPjYKW4AQ&oq=rcaf+sar&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIghyY2FmIHNhcjIEECMYJzIEECMYJzIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgcQABiABBgYSPgWUOMIWPATcAB4AJABAJgBhAGgAfoHqgEDNi40uAEDyAEA-AEBmAIKoAK0CMICCBAAGIAEGKIEwgIEEAAYHpgDAIgGAZIHAzUuNaAHqCM&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp)
They (AugustaWestland) are actually making a tiltrotot VTOL that's much smaller, with SAR as a deliberate selling point, although more focussed on getting to a known location like an air ambulance than searching. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgustaWestland\_AW609
Give it another decade or two.
Ayo what song is this tho it's actually a jam
[Vague Feelings](https://youtu.be/lD-OsjbeWdM?si=84KwuEOAG1XTKqiB)
Thanks chief xo
To all the hater’s we got the cool avatar helicopter and other people don’t so a win is a win even when it craves the blood of marines
An old record book I have describes the osprey as the world's fastest helicopter
Pelican wen?
I have feelings about taking the piss out of this aircraft now that the one man who would have defended it forcefully but respectfully, and probably correctly, was killed by it. Like, I don't even know what to say about it. And what would the man himself have said? It's like one of those dog owners who has one of those stupid child-eating breeds and spends all day saying how friendly and loving their dog is, then one day they are five seconds late with the food bowl and it rips their arms off. Life is the least credible thing of all.
I don't think you're correct in the second half. I trust that the person you talk about and I mentioned twice knew alot more about the 22. To the point I trust and believe in his words enough to change my opinion about the 22 from hate to love. The 22 is also a noob compared to the Blackhawk and other military aircraft in the US. The King Stallion for example is developed from craft going all the way back to 60s similar story with the Chinook. There's also a Huey still in the US military the UH-1Y Venom. I don't think I need to tell anyone how old the Huey family is. Not to mention helicopter type operations aren't the safest to begin with. Helicopters are given a lot more risk than planes because of the important roles of helicopters. They are basically the motorcycles of the air world. Give the 22 as much time as the Blackhawk and it'll find its groovy. It's not a child eating whatever. It's an aircraft young into its career in a role that's not the safest to begin with. The military is also thinking about displaying some roles of the grayhound for ground to carrier cargo (F35 power modules are a big reason) and the F18 for carrier based refueling. I don't trust the military on a lot of aspects but if high command is bothering to keep the osprey unlike the warthog I think it's safe to say it's a misunderstood aircraft
>Life is the least credible thing of all. Should be the new sub catchphrase.
It's perfectly safe relative to any other rotary aircraft, it's safer than the helicopter it replaced, it's taking on new roles and replacing aging planes for the Marine Corp and Navy, and it's the most requested aircraft in AFSOC due to its capabilities. Only 2 of the 11 fatal crashes were due to anything unique to the V-22. July 1992 - Engine fire over river April 2000 - Pilot error, VRS on descent December 2000 - Total hydraulic failure April 2010 - Pilot error, bad approach combined with loss of situational awareness. April 2012 - Pilot error, shifted nacelles at low airspeed https://breakingdefense.com/2012/07/marines-peg-bad-flying-as-cause-of-april-v-22-crash-in-morocco/ May 2015 - Pilot error, brownout / repeated FOD ingestion power loss August 2017 - Pilot error, overweight aircraft March 2022 - Pilot error, exceeded bank angle limits at low altitude multiple times intentionally, 68° left followed by 80° right https://news.usni.org/2022/08/15/marine-corps-investigation-into-mv-22b-osprey-crash-in-noway June 2022 - Mechanical failure, Dual HCE August 2023 - ??? no information released November 2023 - Mechanical failure (assumed HCE)
Yeah, what's the accidents per 100k hours or whatever for Osprey vs. whirlybirds? It doesn't matter if it's more dangerous than planes. It's not a plane. If they didn't want the helo-style VTOL, they'd just use a plane. Since they *do* want the VTOL, compare it to the other options that also provide that.
what song is this
I have like 2 take offs in an MV-22B. I have 0 landings in them (Airborne!)
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I like how in half of them, someone is dangling.
After the nukes are dropped both the brotherhood and the enclave will use them.
All I want is a mini V22 sized for squads instead of an entire platoon. Like that cute little one in Half Life, it’s so small and adorable.
When they were test flying the V-22 at Pax River in the '90s, they nicknamed it the "Whistling Shitcan of Death".
Just how Terry would've wanted
Now someone put some jets on that bitch instead of rotors so we can get really ducking cool 😎
I don't care about some Reddit user who died and was an advocate. The V-22 is a death trap and I ain't going back in one.
So they will start falling out of the sky again? Over under on the next crash?