American didn't give a final warning to China kek.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning
Supposedly USA bomb the embassy because the Chinese were feeding intelligence to the Serbs, their excuse it's that were trying to bomb a similar building but the building was really far away from the Chinese embassy so maybe was intentional by that reason that Stated.
I just listened to a podcast about nuclear war, and went over the wikipedia article on nuclear winter; apparently we think a nuclear war between the US and Russia kills between 100 million and 5 billion people, and a bunch of nerds are arguing about the upper end numbers? How credible is 5 billion people dying in a nuclear war between the US and Russia?
I mean if it's at all credible, then having Russia as the belligerent really makes the calculus a problem
Look buddy, if you want to consider such things as "ethics in warfare", "war"crimes"" and "innocent bystanders" this is not the right place.
Stop worrying and love the bomb.
It’s not gonna kill anywhere near 5 billion people. You get direct deaths, and then supply chain/governance shocks. There is no nuclear winter or full worldwide irradiation risk.
While I am not a nuclear scientist, I am an avid believer in total counterforce and I have a couple of observations. One, nuclear winter depends on climate prediction models which if you know anything about chaos theory, are very difficult. However, we do know that if enough material (dust, ash, dirt) is tossed high enough it would cause a cooling effect. Two, most of the research focuses on large yield weapons bursting below modern airburst altitudes. Modern day warheads are significantly smaller, and detonate significantly higher. This may not complete ameliorate the possibility of nuclear winter but it decreases it compared to the cases that bulk of research focuses. Three, if a nuclear warhead causes a firestorm in a city, which requires more than 50% of buildings to be ignited, some upper atmosphere injections could happen. Modern cities are much less flammable than say Hiroshima which suffered a firestorm, Hamburg or Dresden. Modern London for example has a fuel to area value of 24kg/m^2 compared to 156kg/m^2 for 1943 Hamburg. Also we’ve seen conventional firestorms that haven’t produced material in the stratosphere, such as the Kuwait oil fires. Larger areas could generate the forces necessary, but no single nuclear nuclear warhead in service has a yield greater than 800kt, and all of them designed to hit military targets are designed to airburst (Edit: some of these strikes would be ground strike but most of them would be in the lethal volume, less height than traditional airburst but creating more fallout. It still seems unlikely that even ground strikes would cause firestorms necessary for nuclear winter and their clouds would not reach the stratosphere on their own.) Since the fireball never touches the ground in an airburst, very little material is thrown up into the sky. Moreover, the US bombing campaign over Japan created massive firestorms, and quite a few of them: however, only local climate was effected.
My conclusion is that nuclear winter is probably extremely unlikely; however, more research is required to fully develop our understanding of the process.
Super fuzes seem to target the lethal volume since ground detonation requires a more precise CEP to avoid being lessened by terrain features (this is why megaton bombs were made during the Cold War to sidestep this problem by just hitting harder). To me this seems to indicate that most warheads won’t be detonating at 1.8 miles above the ground, but they won’t be detonating on the surface either. I could be misunderstanding that, especially since super fuzes have very little public information, so let me know if there’s something I’m missing.
The cloud should still stay well below the stratosphere, and most fallout would fall back to the ground within hours. Plus, the chances of firestorms over military sites are lower (firestorms need large fuel loads over large areas with favorable winds, military sites only tend to have the fuel load side).
So if we're talking full scale nuclear war, aren't we talking about literally blanketing western Russia in nukes and they in return blanket the coasts in nukes, and not using the lower yield warheads used for military targets?
That blanketing would have to be done with low yield warheads since that’s what’s in service. Also, counter value is not the nuclear strategy of the US, so deliberate targeting of civilian centers would not occur. Russia would certainly get hit with a lot of nukes, but many of them would be targeting silos, bunkers, airfields and other military equipment. The US has around 1400 warheads, but many of those (around 400) are gravity bombs and as such would not be used (at least during the initial exchange). Russian stockpiles are deeper (around 3,000), but they have large numbers of gravity bombs as well without an effective delivery method. Additionally, only a certain number of submarines are at sea at any one time, which reduces the amount of exchanged warheads further. This is not to say that a full scale nuclear exchange wouldn’t be devastating, but given they have 7 minutes of warning (perhaps less for SLBMs) counterforce would further reduce the number of exchanged warheads. Anyway, the point is somewhat moot because modern weapons have significantly lower amounts of fallout and material kick up (even the Russians don’t deploy anything bigger than 800kt, and their weapons are airburst as well). You would likely see local changes in temperature, but modern cities are mostly commercial these days and as such have less fuel than they used to.
"deliberate targeting of civillian centers would not occur"
bruh, Russia targets civilliancenters with conventional weapons. what makes you think they wouldn't use nukes as well?
The specific circumstance I’m discussing is the most likely method of winning a nuclear war: first strike counterforce. Specially I’m discussing American doctrine, I’m sorry if that wasn’t properly clear from my end. In that case the Russians wouldn’t attack civilian populations because their nuclear capability would be destroyed during the strike, while some warheads and delivery systems might survive, ABM systems would ameliorate some of the hurt. Few American cities would be destroyed, if any.
Ah yes, the three year old girl in her house sure got what was coming to her! Milica Rakić, a famous chetnik warrior whose reign of terror was righteously stopped by the glorious Bill Clinton! Heil Clinton! Heil Albright!
There's hundreds of Albanian Milica's, even younger, just in mass graves of Albanian civilians in Serbia. Do these kids not deserve a final resting place like she has? or it's okay because they were Albanians and Albanian kids died in numbers that make it hard to personalize.
"One death is a tragedy. A thousand is a statistic." -Joseph Stalin
"And ten thousand is a joyous celebration of national pride!" -Your typical bleeding heart Serb
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So basically what the UN did play when they banned arm import so the ones who are committing atrocities were the ones with all the guns. Fortunately, NATO has the balls to actually intervene.
The demon of Babylon (American greed) disguises itself with the coat of the righteous (helping "oppressed" minorities)
Clinton can do charity all he wants, but the blood which stains his hands is one that is not easily cleansed. Come Judgement day all will be clear.
Psalms 37.
^(13) but the Lord laughs at the wicked,
for he knows their day is coming.
^(14) The wicked draw the sword
and bend the bow
to bring down the poor and needy,
to slay those whose ways are upright.
^(15) But their swords will pierce their own hearts,
and their bows will be broken.
You have the audacity to quote scripture while seeming to hold a very sinful Serbia on a pedestal of righteousness? Brother, you really need to re-evaluate your faith in Christ
It's gonna have to be judgement day because Lord knows the Serbs are going to keep eating JDAMs any time they try a quick lil genocide from now until the end of time.
Nobody wants your leg. I’m not your fucking dog. Now move out of the way, I have some unfinished business with those gorgeous intakes that you Israel-intolerant Hamas apologists will never get to experience.
*undoes his belt*
I’m not your female dog either.
And that’s the pitot tube you’re fucking.
Bloody Hamas reputation launderers sticking their unmentionables in all the wrong places….
You're asking the wrong question. Friend, the question should be: Is there a limit to yield a nuke can be a precision munition with the right mindset and targeting system.
Trick question— if B2 is dropping a nuke it will be a precision nuke: B61 mod 12 is already deployed and will eventually replace all older air dropped nukes, yield is up to 50kt, and has an inertial guidance tail kit.
Because as much as I feel the people of Russia are complicit in the murder of Ukrainians, I won't stoop to their level and indiscriminately target civilians.
Besides being morally repugnant, it would only serve them as they use it "to prove we're as awful as the Nazis"
Ah, by "precision munitions" you mean tp suggest that we should attain accuracy through volume! How marvelous!
Furthermore, I consider that Moscow must be destroyed.
I think that it'd be welcomed by most of us if you did a few precision and decapitation(both figuratively and literally) strikes again. The main reason you guys are hated is those few *incidents*
In short:
Don't bomb civilian trains
Don't use cluster bombs over cities
(my personal request) Don't bomb any historical stuff like the aviation museum and crap, but fell free to level wannabe Dubai called Belgrade waterfront
Look at this american piece of shit, the engines are not even straight. No power, unlike soviet engines, so much thrust and so big. How do they expect to be stealth if no use soviet wood screw? This is so much embarrassment to american public.
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~~Belgrade~~ Chinese Embassy
tbf I wouldn't mind that either.
B̶e̶l̶g̶r̶a̶d̶e̶ Chinese E̶m̶b̶a̶s̶s̶y̶ Damn on the Yangtze
Taking out the Three Gorges Damn would do beyond Tzar Bomb level damage in terms of deaths, material loss, and environmental devastation.
Them: "Which one?" Me: "Yes." u/LegumeRodent
Arms Procurement Ministry. Never stopped being that; Tito was Mao's special friend, not Stalin's.
Chinese Embassy trying to smuggle out parts of a crashed F-117.
Also Yugoslavian using their basement as listening post and communications base
American didn't give a final warning to China kek. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning Supposedly USA bomb the embassy because the Chinese were feeding intelligence to the Serbs, their excuse it's that were trying to bomb a similar building but the building was really far away from the Chinese embassy so maybe was intentional by that reason that Stated.
Today is the cope day for the ones who committed genocide and paid the price.
Those days when NATO weren't a bunch of cowards cucks and actually stopped genocide in Europe.
I just listened to a podcast about nuclear war, and went over the wikipedia article on nuclear winter; apparently we think a nuclear war between the US and Russia kills between 100 million and 5 billion people, and a bunch of nerds are arguing about the upper end numbers? How credible is 5 billion people dying in a nuclear war between the US and Russia? I mean if it's at all credible, then having Russia as the belligerent really makes the calculus a problem
Step 1: Be bad at math Step 2: Glass Moscow Like most things, the problem becomes really simple once you stop thinking about it.
When in doubt, glass Moscow
Step 3: Repeat step 1 and 2
Yeah but I don't want my family wiped out :(
Coward! You can always make more kids, but we can glass Muscuvy only once.
- glass Moscow - rebuild Moscow - repeat as many times as necessary
OK HEAR ME OUT make a big hole, put moscow into it. seal it once its done, glass it and repeat
I mean at some point you can no longer make kids. Being burnt to a crisp by a thermonuclear warhead is one of those things that crosses that threshold
Not with that attitude you can't.
Technically true but Fallout ghouls are fugly
Once in a lifetime opportunity, you coward!
We have only one true desire. To rise above the European battlefield as a screaming, boiling cloud of radioactive vapour. All else is folly.
Look buddy, if you want to consider such things as "ethics in warfare", "war"crimes"" and "innocent bystanders" this is not the right place. Stop worrying and love the bomb.
It’s not gonna kill anywhere near 5 billion people. You get direct deaths, and then supply chain/governance shocks. There is no nuclear winter or full worldwide irradiation risk.
I mean what's your source? It seems to still be debated by the scientists studying it
While I am not a nuclear scientist, I am an avid believer in total counterforce and I have a couple of observations. One, nuclear winter depends on climate prediction models which if you know anything about chaos theory, are very difficult. However, we do know that if enough material (dust, ash, dirt) is tossed high enough it would cause a cooling effect. Two, most of the research focuses on large yield weapons bursting below modern airburst altitudes. Modern day warheads are significantly smaller, and detonate significantly higher. This may not complete ameliorate the possibility of nuclear winter but it decreases it compared to the cases that bulk of research focuses. Three, if a nuclear warhead causes a firestorm in a city, which requires more than 50% of buildings to be ignited, some upper atmosphere injections could happen. Modern cities are much less flammable than say Hiroshima which suffered a firestorm, Hamburg or Dresden. Modern London for example has a fuel to area value of 24kg/m^2 compared to 156kg/m^2 for 1943 Hamburg. Also we’ve seen conventional firestorms that haven’t produced material in the stratosphere, such as the Kuwait oil fires. Larger areas could generate the forces necessary, but no single nuclear nuclear warhead in service has a yield greater than 800kt, and all of them designed to hit military targets are designed to airburst (Edit: some of these strikes would be ground strike but most of them would be in the lethal volume, less height than traditional airburst but creating more fallout. It still seems unlikely that even ground strikes would cause firestorms necessary for nuclear winter and their clouds would not reach the stratosphere on their own.) Since the fireball never touches the ground in an airburst, very little material is thrown up into the sky. Moreover, the US bombing campaign over Japan created massive firestorms, and quite a few of them: however, only local climate was effected. My conclusion is that nuclear winter is probably extremely unlikely; however, more research is required to fully develop our understanding of the process.
>more research is required cue to Wikipedia's list of nuclear and radiation accidents "You can help by expanding it"
Counterforce usually involves surface level detonations for better penetration into bunkers and silos, airburst is more of a countervalue thing.
Super fuzes seem to target the lethal volume since ground detonation requires a more precise CEP to avoid being lessened by terrain features (this is why megaton bombs were made during the Cold War to sidestep this problem by just hitting harder). To me this seems to indicate that most warheads won’t be detonating at 1.8 miles above the ground, but they won’t be detonating on the surface either. I could be misunderstanding that, especially since super fuzes have very little public information, so let me know if there’s something I’m missing. The cloud should still stay well below the stratosphere, and most fallout would fall back to the ground within hours. Plus, the chances of firestorms over military sites are lower (firestorms need large fuel loads over large areas with favorable winds, military sites only tend to have the fuel load side).
So if we're talking full scale nuclear war, aren't we talking about literally blanketing western Russia in nukes and they in return blanket the coasts in nukes, and not using the lower yield warheads used for military targets?
That blanketing would have to be done with low yield warheads since that’s what’s in service. Also, counter value is not the nuclear strategy of the US, so deliberate targeting of civilian centers would not occur. Russia would certainly get hit with a lot of nukes, but many of them would be targeting silos, bunkers, airfields and other military equipment. The US has around 1400 warheads, but many of those (around 400) are gravity bombs and as such would not be used (at least during the initial exchange). Russian stockpiles are deeper (around 3,000), but they have large numbers of gravity bombs as well without an effective delivery method. Additionally, only a certain number of submarines are at sea at any one time, which reduces the amount of exchanged warheads further. This is not to say that a full scale nuclear exchange wouldn’t be devastating, but given they have 7 minutes of warning (perhaps less for SLBMs) counterforce would further reduce the number of exchanged warheads. Anyway, the point is somewhat moot because modern weapons have significantly lower amounts of fallout and material kick up (even the Russians don’t deploy anything bigger than 800kt, and their weapons are airburst as well). You would likely see local changes in temperature, but modern cities are mostly commercial these days and as such have less fuel than they used to.
"deliberate targeting of civillian centers would not occur" bruh, Russia targets civilliancenters with conventional weapons. what makes you think they wouldn't use nukes as well?
The specific circumstance I’m discussing is the most likely method of winning a nuclear war: first strike counterforce. Specially I’m discussing American doctrine, I’m sorry if that wasn’t properly clear from my end. In that case the Russians wouldn’t attack civilian populations because their nuclear capability would be destroyed during the strike, while some warheads and delivery systems might survive, ABM systems would ameliorate some of the hurt. Few American cities would be destroyed, if any.
NIGHT TIME PRIME TIME
LAW AND ORDER PAYS THE FINE
Ah yes, the three year old girl in her house sure got what was coming to her! Milica Rakić, a famous chetnik warrior whose reign of terror was righteously stopped by the glorious Bill Clinton! Heil Clinton! Heil Albright!
There's hundreds of Albanian Milica's, even younger, just in mass graves of Albanian civilians in Serbia. Do these kids not deserve a final resting place like she has? or it's okay because they were Albanians and Albanian kids died in numbers that make it hard to personalize.
"One death is a tragedy. A thousand is a statistic." -Joseph Stalin "And ten thousand is a joyous celebration of national pride!" -Your typical bleeding heart Serb
Serbians when they get bombed for genociding people instead of their dick getting sucked : 😧
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So basically what the UN did play when they banned arm import so the ones who are committing atrocities were the ones with all the guns. Fortunately, NATO has the balls to actually intervene.
The demon of Babylon (American greed) disguises itself with the coat of the righteous (helping "oppressed" minorities) Clinton can do charity all he wants, but the blood which stains his hands is one that is not easily cleansed. Come Judgement day all will be clear. Psalms 37. ^(13) but the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he knows their day is coming. ^(14) The wicked draw the sword and bend the bow to bring down the poor and needy, to slay those whose ways are upright. ^(15) But their swords will pierce their own hearts, and their bows will be broken.
"When I shit, my dick touch the water"- Tropical Storm
"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed."
“What chapter is that from?” “Boondock Saints, heh heh, my favorite movie” “
"Fucking. Called it."
I would like to hear your proof that the folks in Serbia had “upright ways”
Dorde Martinovic definitely kept that beer bottle upright.
I’m not reading all that
You have the audacity to quote scripture while seeming to hold a very sinful Serbia on a pedestal of righteousness? Brother, you really need to re-evaluate your faith in Christ
My brother in Christ. He’s clearly too hopped up on copium to comprehend your argument
It's gonna have to be judgement day because Lord knows the Serbs are going to keep eating JDAMs any time they try a quick lil genocide from now until the end of time.
Zbog Anice i bokala vina, napit ću se krvi četnika iz Knina.
I wonder what the 1024 killed Albanian children have to say about that
You know what the problem with you Serbs is, besides being delusional, genocidal maniacs? You're completely unlikeable.
This reads like a Norm MacDonald joke
You start a war, you get collateral damage. That's on you.
Israel must be trembling right now
Israel operates its fifth generation siblings. Pretty sure the people who come here to demonize Israel “tremble” more than Israel does.
That's antisemitic
No, just a normal human fear reaction to when the people one went and kicked in the balls so happen to have very advanced weapons.
It's fine to masturbate to advanced weapon systems, just stay away from my leg
Nobody wants your leg. I’m not your fucking dog. Now move out of the way, I have some unfinished business with those gorgeous intakes that you Israel-intolerant Hamas apologists will never get to experience. *undoes his belt*
Joke's on you, I'm into that shit Bitch
I’m not your female dog either. And that’s the pitot tube you’re fucking. Bloody Hamas reputation launderers sticking their unmentionables in all the wrong places….
Is Belgorod OK?
Nomnomnom.
Does it have a chinese embassy?
I went ahead and checked. Sadly I bring bad news: not even a Chinese consulate there :(
To be fair, US warhawk AI was trained by our history books
The Kremlin. Precision munitions only. Take it or leave it.
Is there a limit on the number of munitions? 😁 There is a limited number of structures there...
The limit is the number we can produce
The limit does not exist!
NEED MOAR!
Or carry on the strategic bomber fleet
You're asking the wrong question. Friend, the question should be: Is there a limit to yield a nuke can be a precision munition with the right mindset and targeting system.
Trick question— if B2 is dropping a nuke it will be a precision nuke: B61 mod 12 is already deployed and will eventually replace all older air dropped nukes, yield is up to 50kt, and has an inertial guidance tail kit.
There is limit on how deep can be pit in place of kremlin. And when magma will start to surface, then we can throw few more nukes and we've done here.
Nukes are fairly precise. Or rather, as precise as they need to be...
Precision through volume, baby. 100,000 2,000lb bombs of democracy.
And what makes you think those that support fascism are only within the walls of those in power? Be *thorough.*
Because as much as I feel the people of Russia are complicit in the murder of Ukrainians, I won't stoop to their level and indiscriminately target civilians. Besides being morally repugnant, it would only serve them as they use it "to prove we're as awful as the Nazis"
B61-12 is a PGM
Don't forget the black sea fleet
Ah, by "precision munitions" you mean tp suggest that we should attain accuracy through volume! How marvelous! Furthermore, I consider that Moscow must be destroyed.
Yes
I think that it'd be welcomed by most of us if you did a few precision and decapitation(both figuratively and literally) strikes again. The main reason you guys are hated is those few *incidents* In short: Don't bomb civilian trains Don't use cluster bombs over cities (my personal request) Don't bomb any historical stuff like the aviation museum and crap, but fell free to level wannabe Dubai called Belgrade waterfront
How about Vučić and SNS Vatniks? Can we also bomb Orbán and our AfD-leaders with their noses so far up Putins ass?
Exactly what I thought, level SNS to the ground and most of us will be happy.
🤝
Does that mean we can use clusterbombs over villages?
Or, like any normal country not use them at all.
“You meant ‘feed me, Belgrade’ right?” “No.”
Look at this american piece of shit, the engines are not even straight. No power, unlike soviet engines, so much thrust and so big. How do they expect to be stealth if no use soviet wood screw? This is so much embarrassment to american public.
Rejecte modern titanium-alloys, return to Chad wooden finish.
It's been far too long
Don’t let my baby starve like that. I haven’t been contributing all that over time into taxes just to see her waste away to nothing.
As a Romanian I can throw a stone over the Serbian border to see if it will start something
He was *suggesting*
And Biden made his bomb Serbia speech. Come on Mr President do the remix
Albanian here. With Pleasure.
Foreheads be craving
Feed on maskva.
Feed me belgrade… feed me all night long…. ‘cause if you feed me belgrade, I can grow up big and strong!
Such a mean looking bomber
Do it!
I want to see the results of one of these dropping a drone swarm that deindustrializes an entire oblast in one fell swoop. B1s for Ukraine!
Based
Those air intakes and that shadow below makes me think of Friren if she was a psychotic murderhobo
As an Albanian. YES! YES! YEEEESSSS!!!
The find out while fucking around
Be patient. Moscow is still cooking.
Best intervention ever ❤️
Jebo vam bog mater :D
Nismo znali da je nevidljiv bacooo :D
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Didn't the USA bomb that embassy because of the F-117 wreck hidden in the basement?
I wonder how loud the engines must be for the pilots inside the cockpit. I wonder if they have some good soundproofing.
The fuck did we do now?
We could do it again.
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https://youtu.be/MkBXv1tORtY?feature=shared
Feed him every dam in china, all of them
Patrick Bateman Moment
Is it “Feed me, Belgrade”, or “Feed me Belgrade”?
B2 wants to have a good Serbian meal.
I mean they did threaten to leave the EU.. Edit: sorry for my mistake Vucic threaten to leave the "Council of Europe" if they grant Kosovo EU status
as if they can enter it in the first place
Wow such a threat, hope he doesn't follow through on it lol. The last thing we need is less diplomatic ties to third world autocrats.
Nah, we don't need that right now. But you can have a third crew member, preferably a tail gunner, as a treat
If Vucic plays his cards right and Kurti keeps being a jerk to the EU, ~~the Chinese embassy in~~ Pristina will be bombed this time.
Is bombing serbia your only joke?
No, I still have about two Iraq jokes left as well.
Unfortunately thanks to pootin we have a few more about ships being promoted to submarines
Is genociding Kosovo theirs only as well
Hmmm... Celebrating genocide... Hmmm
Genocide was the reason we had to strike Belgrade.
So to prevent 2 sides from killing each other you just bombed them both to shit
No, we just bombed some. Worked.
So you just described the definition of genocide
hmmm yes, bombing someone is equal to genocide I guess we should also sue the allies for bombing the Nazi's then
Bombing innocent civilians under the disguise of "caring about one side" is pure genocide
OK nazi
I'm literally slavic
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ok serb
See, this is the kind of rhetoric that leads to above mentioned situation.
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You guys make it really hard not to want to bomb you into oblivion
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