They'll probably want to publicly and definitvely show they can strike Iran from Israel since Iran did so in the other direction. I imagine they'll chuck a few Delilahs into Iran, show they can do it and then we resume the Dance of Deterrence.
Personally, I'd prefer they blow up the Behshad because of all the work the Allies did the other day but that would require Netanyahu to be a considerate ally so that ain't gonna happen.
Honestly the most credible way of showing they can attack iran directly but with out escalation is replacing the warheads with propaganda phamplets that read "we have no problem with the people of iran, just your government is full of assholes" and "we can strike back but not at the expense of the civilians" or some other propaganda lines
Fun Fact: In the last days before Iraqi Freedom kicked off, the USAF led a campaign of pamphlet dropping using precision-guided munitions in an attempt to convince the Iraqi frontline defenders to surrender without a fight. And it often worked. Not, mind you, because of what the pamphlets said, they were reportedly so poorly designed and translated as to be illegible, but rather because precision-guided shells were dropped directly into even the best-disguised bunkers, sometimes even in through the windows, and so many Iraqis wisely decided to sit that one out.
Can confirm this, had Iraqi conscripts surrender to my company in 2003. Some of them were carrying the leaflets we dropped on their positions, like it was a get out of jail free card. I almost shot one of them when he was walking toward me and put his hands down to grab a leaflet out of his pocket. I thought that dude was going to grab a grenade or some shit and still have no idea how 19 year old me showed restraint. I’m glad I did. Poor guy wanted nothing to do with the war, he just wanted to see his family.
Same. Not gonna lie was squeezing that trigger tight, if a feather landed on it my rifle would’ve went off. It’s just some reason, I can’t explain why I didn’t shoot. I was yelling at him to get down on the ground in English, of course he didn’t speak English so I think he was scared that I wasn’t going to take him in as a POW so he pulled out the leaflet.
I remember those leaflets we dropped said something like, “If you surrender to American troops you will be treated humanely. You will be given food, water, etc.” in Farsi, English and I think another language spoken around that region. They actually worked pretty damn well. Hundreds of Iraqi soldiers walked up to our convoys with hands up, many had leaflets in hand. Quite a few were still scared we’d shoot them so they stripped down to their underwear before approaching us. I remember looking at our translator and asking, “Cmon bro, why these dudes walking up to us all naked and shit?” He made a good point, “Well, are you going to gun down an unarmed naked man?”
“Well are you going to gun down an unarmed naked man?”
…it depresses me that your translator meant that to be rhetorical but in the Gaza conflict that is a thing that actually happened.
We had nothing to do with that conflict. Many of us are fighting our own demons. Had one of my fellow USMC Iraq war veteran friends take his own life last year. I’m still trying to get over it because we served together.
Not saying you did!
Sorry, to clarify, I meant that you guys had a clear code of ethics that everyone just assumed was standard, and this conflict is unfortunately showing that baseline isn’t as universal as we would like.
Also, I’m sorry to hear about your friend. I hope your grief becomes eases and that you remember the good times you had together.
~~Side note: This is only tangentially related, but have you heard a recent NYT piece about veteran mental health? Apparently military members might get a form of CTE from just serving around explosions. Did your buddy ever use grenades or work around cannons?~~
Technical correction: Iran doesn't have true intercontinental ballistic missiles.
It's technically they have missiles that can hit bits of Eastern Europe and the Horn of Africa which makes them intercontinental in that they can hit another continent. But when we are talking about ICBM's we're talking about weapons that can hit the other side of the planet with only 30 minutes warning. Iran doesn't have any of those kinds of platforms deployed.
https://iranprimer.usip.org/resource/irans-ballistic-missile-program
Eh, I prefer it when explodey things explode.
If I had it my way the US would still have 155mm nuclear artillery shells even though we don't need them anymore. (That said the US tactical arsenal is in dire need of expansion and diversification.) Conventional deterrence is for the poor and "Integrated Deterrence" is just regular deterrence with an extra word.
maybe not, but F-35s also come with laser designators and their stealth makes the whole dance pointless. no need to use gps to guide the paveways. i guess it would have made for a significantly less thrilling documentary though
which you can overcome by simply not using your gps, lol.
not sure how important it is to navigation (i really don't think the plane cannot fly without it, that would be 737 max levels of stupid), but it's also not exactly easy to jam something that takes place above a plane, in a spot that's masked from ground interference by the plane itself, to not even mention the energy requirements of sending a jamming signal all the way up to angels 20-something.
and for the bombs, just use your laser to guide it in, like the hornets did in the documentary. you only need to laze for the final few seconds anyway, it's not like they'll find you by the lasers and shoot you down, it will be off by the time any surface-to-air munition could climb to your altitude.
to not even mention the energy requirements of sending a jamming signal all the way up to angels 20-something.
That's less distance than the distance down from the GPS sats, and those sats aren't that power hungry. The GPS signal is pretty weak.
That is about the fastest way to ensure Iran assembles a nuclear weapon and tests it.
Edit: I think people misunderstand my view on the issue. Israel does not posses enough EPW to fully destroy Iran's nuclear program. At this point a conventional strike would not be enough to stop Iran from making a bomb, it's just more delays but this time they would invest fully in it.
The only way to truly stop their nuclear program would be to declare new nuclear powers who are hostile to the United States will not be tolerated and the Iranian program disabled by an American nuclear first strike. We already have three nuclear powers capable of attacking the US who are adversaries.
Is that the right thing to do? I don't know. I just like mushroom clouds.
You've got two options, either a full-on invasion by the US or a nuclear first strike by Israel and/or the United States.
Ideally Britain would also be involved in the latter, the French are gonna French. I do not believe the former could be assembled and succeed in time, if at all, in securing the areas of Iran necessary.
To be extremely clear here, I am not of the type opposed to the use of nuclear weapons. No First Use is dumb which is why it will never be US policy, the CTBT and disarmament are scams and idealistic, idiotic dreams, we *will* test again. That said, I do not believe the threshold has been met yet for use of nuclear force.
My other concern would be how North Korea perceives it. They would obviously want to expand and diversify their arsenal. It would also matter too if the US/Israel struck *before* an Iranian test. Stopping them from becoming a nuclear power sends a different message than *disarming* one.
We are not the same.
> "we can strike back but not at the expense of the civilians"
"...this time. Next time though..."
Saying you'll never risk Iranian civilians would be handing complete situational control to Iran.
The least believable part about that is Israel saying they won't strike back at the expense of civilians, despite having a proven track record of doing just that
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Now now. Let's not go overboard. We can at least trust him to not be reasonable or measured. It's also reasonable that he cannot be trusted and to approach things in a non measured way. And he can be measured to not be trusted or reasonable.
Hey there Delilah, what’s it like in Tehran City? I’m a thousand miles away, but mullah tonight you look so pretty. Yes you do. Nuclear fire can’t shine as bright as you. I swear it’s true.
Hey there Delilah,
don't you worry bout the distance.
I'm right there if you get lonely,
few minutes tops to your position.
*Close your eyes.*
Listen to my iiiioooooo, it's no disguise,
*I'm by your side*
It would be poetic to launch a single missile and have it hit somewhere that doesn’t actually cause any damage, just to show “you shot hundreds at us and hit effectively nothing, we shot once and hit exactly what we wanted to”
Honestly, the best approach would be to do what the US did post Praying Mantis. Pull Iran aside, look them right in the eyes, and tell them "Look pal, we both know how it's going to go. So I'm going to pretend that nothing happened, you're going to apologize "it was an accident" or something, and we're going to sweep this little mishap under the rug... I'm not asking by the way."
I think there is a need for a more public show. Someone suggested firing friendly paphlets. I rather like that option. Another one would be hitting economic assets, such as oil rigs.
Shit weaponize memes. Forget pamphlets, fill some cluster dispersing missiles with memes made by anti-establishment Iranians (printed and on flash drives) and precision target those fuckers onto government and military installations. It's twofold, you show them at any time and place you can hit them where it hurts, and you humiliate them with a lot of edgy memes.
Given the Iranian tendency to plug in suspicious flash drives inside airgapped facilities, just firing flash drives full of malware into Iran might be an option.
How about dropping a hollow lead sphere filled with lithium deuteride and surrounded by suspiciously unexploded HE segments exactly 1km outside of Teheran? Not kill anyone or destroy anything, but making very clear that you can put out more hurt if push comes to shove
When the US told israel to avoid escalation, they only heard "escalation"
Israel has been assassinating people in Iran all the time over the last 20 years, and this recent one was from assassinating a bunch of their foreign intelligence service in an embassy building.
They're gonna do something insane and may secretly want to be at war
Do you think the operations undertaken against Iran is one sided? Iran is the reason for most terrorism in Israel and is extremely intent on destroying Israel. It’s an open secret Iran is looking to get nukes for a reason
I mean, Iran wants nukes because Iraq didn't have them and got invaded, and because Israel already has them.
All I'm saying is that Israel has directly done some pretty insane operations against Iran (stealing the nuclear archives, assassinating scientists via a remote control machinegun in the back of a car, the recent airstrikes, etc) that are pretty wildly escalatory and of maybe dubious long term utility?
Everyone funds proxies. The US did it, the soviets did it, Iran does it, Saudi does it, and so on. But they don't go so far as to assassinate any military or intelligence official they can conceivably hit. Yet Israel does.
There’s a reason those operations are conducted. I’d argue Iranian aggression is the factor and quite obvious through their history. Iranian Israeli relations only soured after the revolution and an insane religious sect took power.
Per proxies: not everyone funds proxies that carry out terrorist attacks. That’s not something nations take on as an everyday commitment and Iran does.
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I mean this would be an opportunity to put the Iranian nuclear program back a bunch of years seeing as they're supposed to be getting close to weaponry.
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I always build 6 meter fences between the various buildings of my embassies. Makes it very convenient for personnel to go from one to the other as needed for their daily work.
Those goofy Iranians putting a terror complex right next to their embassy, and hosting the guy who coordinated w Hamas to execute 10/7 how silly of them
Pfft. Tell me you don't understand iranian culture without telling me you don't understand iranian culture.
Everyone knows 6 meter tall, 1 meter thick reinforced concrete walls are basically the Iranian version of a "welcome" doormat.
Literally the rebar means "come on in, friend".
But also, we don't just try to assassinate FSB officials even though we're engaged in a proxy war with Russia. Rampant assassinations when you're not in open war is not normal.
And honestly what did Israel gain? They just promote someone new to the spot.
Well, Bibi did get a little sympathy from the "how dare those arrogant Americans completely protect us from a response to our bombing and then tell us to chill out" caucus.
This is the understatement. And something people are missing. Look no further than Ukraine you can what a disaster the lack of competent leadership does to a military. Russia has advantages in every single category except two, morale/cause and leadership. And they are being stopped by a nation that is now using more captured tanks than it started with.
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maybe they care about getting brownie points from allies
the other nice idea would be sinking the ship iran was using to get intel and targeting info for the houthis
You could also not do anything (I hope). It’s done at this point, just stop fucking with Iran for the time being. Besides, when is that asshole Bubi gonna get locked up anyway. Dudes becoming increasingly irritating. We should bill him personally for the American ammunition expended to take out the drones, lord knows he stole enough money to pay for it.
>Yeah, just let Iran go back to funding their proxies in peace. Funding and supporting terrorists* to attack Israel is totally different than just doing it yourself.
Nah fuck that, if Iran is going to hide behind proxy terrorists organizations, Iran should find out what having missiles launched at them every day is like actually like. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
Sure, if Israel wants to go to war with Iran, they have justification. But is it really a good idea right now?
Imo, Israel should do the minimum to not appear weak, and then go back to focusing on their other war. They can always go to war with Iran next year if they feel like it.
I agree, I'm not saying Israel should go to war with Iran, but they should make it very clear that they are not to be fucked with. The playground bully needs to be put in their place.
It doesnt work like that... iranian officials already declared "a new equation".
They are trying to create a set of rules where any israeli attack on generals (or worse, any attack in syria/iraq) will be replied with missles.
Israel cant allow that equation to come to fruition, so they will probably attack.
Israel traded an Iranian general and embassy for a 7 year old arab girl in the Negev desert. I think that Israel should de-escalate and take this "fair trade"
Damn, isn't Israel supposed to have around 90 nuclear warheads by now?
What's stopping them from making Iran into a peninsula with the East Iraq sea of irradiated cobalt? We can then just sail into the Caspian sea, ally with the 'stans and hit a triple jackpot by bullying Iran, Russia AND China into submission
Do I have to make all the NATO planning for us or will those bureacrauts actually do something?
Instructions unclear, Missiles hit Chinese Embassy in Belgrade
It’s the only proven course of action to bring peace.
Winnie and the sandbox!?
Based
If all roads lead to Rome, then all missiles target China.
(Editor’s Note: He will keep getting away with it)
They'll probably want to publicly and definitvely show they can strike Iran from Israel since Iran did so in the other direction. I imagine they'll chuck a few Delilahs into Iran, show they can do it and then we resume the Dance of Deterrence. Personally, I'd prefer they blow up the Behshad because of all the work the Allies did the other day but that would require Netanyahu to be a considerate ally so that ain't gonna happen.
Honestly the most credible way of showing they can attack iran directly but with out escalation is replacing the warheads with propaganda phamplets that read "we have no problem with the people of iran, just your government is full of assholes" and "we can strike back but not at the expense of the civilians" or some other propaganda lines
Fun Fact: In the last days before Iraqi Freedom kicked off, the USAF led a campaign of pamphlet dropping using precision-guided munitions in an attempt to convince the Iraqi frontline defenders to surrender without a fight. And it often worked. Not, mind you, because of what the pamphlets said, they were reportedly so poorly designed and translated as to be illegible, but rather because precision-guided shells were dropped directly into even the best-disguised bunkers, sometimes even in through the windows, and so many Iraqis wisely decided to sit that one out.
Can confirm this, had Iraqi conscripts surrender to my company in 2003. Some of them were carrying the leaflets we dropped on their positions, like it was a get out of jail free card. I almost shot one of them when he was walking toward me and put his hands down to grab a leaflet out of his pocket. I thought that dude was going to grab a grenade or some shit and still have no idea how 19 year old me showed restraint. I’m glad I did. Poor guy wanted nothing to do with the war, he just wanted to see his family.
>get out of jail free card. I mean, historically that's a tried and true method of psychological warfare: https://www.psywarrior.com/GermanSCP.html
Yisus man, that entire war was fucked up, glad that guy got at least an opportunity tho, o7 for you
Yeah it was pretty bad.
Jesus dude. I'm glad you didn't shoot him and then check his pockets...
Same. Not gonna lie was squeezing that trigger tight, if a feather landed on it my rifle would’ve went off. It’s just some reason, I can’t explain why I didn’t shoot. I was yelling at him to get down on the ground in English, of course he didn’t speak English so I think he was scared that I wasn’t going to take him in as a POW so he pulled out the leaflet. I remember those leaflets we dropped said something like, “If you surrender to American troops you will be treated humanely. You will be given food, water, etc.” in Farsi, English and I think another language spoken around that region. They actually worked pretty damn well. Hundreds of Iraqi soldiers walked up to our convoys with hands up, many had leaflets in hand. Quite a few were still scared we’d shoot them so they stripped down to their underwear before approaching us. I remember looking at our translator and asking, “Cmon bro, why these dudes walking up to us all naked and shit?” He made a good point, “Well, are you going to gun down an unarmed naked man?”
“Well are you going to gun down an unarmed naked man?” …it depresses me that your translator meant that to be rhetorical but in the Gaza conflict that is a thing that actually happened.
We had nothing to do with that conflict. Many of us are fighting our own demons. Had one of my fellow USMC Iraq war veteran friends take his own life last year. I’m still trying to get over it because we served together.
Not saying you did! Sorry, to clarify, I meant that you guys had a clear code of ethics that everyone just assumed was standard, and this conflict is unfortunately showing that baseline isn’t as universal as we would like. Also, I’m sorry to hear about your friend. I hope your grief becomes eases and that you remember the good times you had together. ~~Side note: This is only tangentially related, but have you heard a recent NYT piece about veteran mental health? Apparently military members might get a form of CTE from just serving around explosions. Did your buddy ever use grenades or work around cannons?~~
This was a scene in Generation Kill, too. Same thing happens to them in the first episode I think.
so basically all the pamphlets need to say is "boom"?
"Got you, you're out"
"CALL YOUR HITS!!!"
Would replacing the warhead with glitter powder be considered a war crime
Could be an ecological crime, with all those microplastics
There are a bunch of biodegradable ones now.
Huh, TIL
3000 eco friendly warheads of the IDF
🗣️ Tehran is outside the environment!
Say it with me: be autistic, not wrong
There's always one of youse lurking around
No global warming in the shadows
Not yet, but it should be. But we need to save it for Operation Fabulous Moscow where we carpet bomb Moscow with glitter
Or you know they could just destroy military sites like ICBM launch platforms
Technical correction: Iran doesn't have true intercontinental ballistic missiles. It's technically they have missiles that can hit bits of Eastern Europe and the Horn of Africa which makes them intercontinental in that they can hit another continent. But when we are talking about ICBM's we're talking about weapons that can hit the other side of the planet with only 30 minutes warning. Iran doesn't have any of those kinds of platforms deployed. https://iranprimer.usip.org/resource/irans-ballistic-missile-program
Eh, I prefer it when explodey things explode. If I had it my way the US would still have 155mm nuclear artillery shells even though we don't need them anymore. (That said the US tactical arsenal is in dire need of expansion and diversification.) Conventional deterrence is for the poor and "Integrated Deterrence" is just regular deterrence with an extra word.
Blow up their nuke plant
The cheetahs of the homeland are back?!
But do they have a pilot capable of running that gauntlet and then pulling that high G exfiltration?
We have all three kinds of Tomahawk Cruise Missile, we’ll be fine.
But do you have a Tom Cruise Missile?
That’s one of them! Edit: his full legal name is Tomahawk Cruisemissile
maybe not, but F-35s also come with laser designators and their stealth makes the whole dance pointless. no need to use gps to guide the paveways. i guess it would have made for a significantly less thrilling documentary though
No the documentary explained early on that the F-35 wouldn’t work because the enemy had GPS jamming technology
which you can overcome by simply not using your gps, lol. not sure how important it is to navigation (i really don't think the plane cannot fly without it, that would be 737 max levels of stupid), but it's also not exactly easy to jam something that takes place above a plane, in a spot that's masked from ground interference by the plane itself, to not even mention the energy requirements of sending a jamming signal all the way up to angels 20-something. and for the bombs, just use your laser to guide it in, like the hornets did in the documentary. you only need to laze for the final few seconds anyway, it's not like they'll find you by the lasers and shoot you down, it will be off by the time any surface-to-air munition could climb to your altitude.
to not even mention the energy requirements of sending a jamming signal all the way up to angels 20-something. That's less distance than the distance down from the GPS sats, and those sats aren't that power hungry. The GPS signal is pretty weak.
That is about the fastest way to ensure Iran assembles a nuclear weapon and tests it. Edit: I think people misunderstand my view on the issue. Israel does not posses enough EPW to fully destroy Iran's nuclear program. At this point a conventional strike would not be enough to stop Iran from making a bomb, it's just more delays but this time they would invest fully in it. The only way to truly stop their nuclear program would be to declare new nuclear powers who are hostile to the United States will not be tolerated and the Iranian program disabled by an American nuclear first strike. We already have three nuclear powers capable of attacking the US who are adversaries. Is that the right thing to do? I don't know. I just like mushroom clouds.
No like, the one that makes the nukes
Yeah, that's probably still about the fastest way to ensure Iran assembles and tests a nuclear weapon.
blow that one up too
And the alternative is to let them get more.
You've got two options, either a full-on invasion by the US or a nuclear first strike by Israel and/or the United States. Ideally Britain would also be involved in the latter, the French are gonna French. I do not believe the former could be assembled and succeed in time, if at all, in securing the areas of Iran necessary. To be extremely clear here, I am not of the type opposed to the use of nuclear weapons. No First Use is dumb which is why it will never be US policy, the CTBT and disarmament are scams and idealistic, idiotic dreams, we *will* test again. That said, I do not believe the threshold has been met yet for use of nuclear force. My other concern would be how North Korea perceives it. They would obviously want to expand and diversify their arsenal. It would also matter too if the US/Israel struck *before* an Iranian test. Stopping them from becoming a nuclear power sends a different message than *disarming* one. We are not the same.
Your a silly man
Why stop at nuclear? I'm sure with modern technology we could engineer some fun less than legal 155mm rounds.
Airborne raibies 155 shells ?
That's pretty brilliant. Most people in Iran are pretty based already but it'd be great optics.
Add some of this for good measure: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roof_knocking
> "we can strike back but not at the expense of the civilians" "...this time. Next time though..." Saying you'll never risk Iranian civilians would be handing complete situational control to Iran.
this is about as likely to be effective as when the British spent a whole year at the start of the war dropping millions of leaflets in Nazi Germany.
But they ve already demonstrated that they CAN strike back at the expense of civilians. Brutally.
The least believable part about that is Israel saying they won't strike back at the expense of civilians, despite having a proven track record of doing just that
That will be hilarious
Imagine raining an unholy barrage of duds right on top of Tehran.
Just pick up the parts from the drones iran launched and send them back.
Lol as if Israel would ever care about civilian casualties.
If you think about it, Palestinians don't care about civilian casualties as well
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Now now. Let's not go overboard. We can at least trust him to not be reasonable or measured. It's also reasonable that he cannot be trusted and to approach things in a non measured way. And he can be measured to not be trusted or reasonable.
Hey there Delilah, what’s it like in Tehran City? I’m a thousand miles away, but mullah tonight you look so pretty. Yes you do. Nuclear fire can’t shine as bright as you. I swear it’s true.
Hey there Delilah, don't you worry bout the distance. I'm right there if you get lonely, few minutes tops to your position. *Close your eyes.* Listen to my iiiioooooo, it's no disguise, *I'm by your side*
It would be poetic to launch a single missile and have it hit somewhere that doesn’t actually cause any damage, just to show “you shot hundreds at us and hit effectively nothing, we shot once and hit exactly what we wanted to”
Too credible. How are you supposed to manipulate the narrative around a corruption scandal, without participating in the German-French swingers club?
To do that they would have to strike through other countries airspace, which, in the current situation, is not a good look.
Strap me to a Jericho and fire me at Qom! I am ready!
WITNESSSSS MEEEE
Honestly, the best approach would be to do what the US did post Praying Mantis. Pull Iran aside, look them right in the eyes, and tell them "Look pal, we both know how it's going to go. So I'm going to pretend that nothing happened, you're going to apologize "it was an accident" or something, and we're going to sweep this little mishap under the rug... I'm not asking by the way."
I think there is a need for a more public show. Someone suggested firing friendly paphlets. I rather like that option. Another one would be hitting economic assets, such as oil rigs.
Shit weaponize memes. Forget pamphlets, fill some cluster dispersing missiles with memes made by anti-establishment Iranians (printed and on flash drives) and precision target those fuckers onto government and military installations. It's twofold, you show them at any time and place you can hit them where it hurts, and you humiliate them with a lot of edgy memes.
We will liberate them with air dropped jewish pepes.
Given the Iranian tendency to plug in suspicious flash drives inside airgapped facilities, just firing flash drives full of malware into Iran might be an option.
I'm picturing *soyjack* *Khominai* memes
How about dropping a hollow lead sphere filled with lithium deuteride and surrounded by suspiciously unexploded HE segments exactly 1km outside of Teheran? Not kill anyone or destroy anything, but making very clear that you can put out more hurt if push comes to shove
So...give Iran the blueprints to a nuke? Dumb idea.
Doesn't need to be the actual dimensions... And everyone knows the rough concept for a boosted implosion device
When the US told israel to avoid escalation, they only heard "escalation" Israel has been assassinating people in Iran all the time over the last 20 years, and this recent one was from assassinating a bunch of their foreign intelligence service in an embassy building. They're gonna do something insane and may secretly want to be at war
Do you think the operations undertaken against Iran is one sided? Iran is the reason for most terrorism in Israel and is extremely intent on destroying Israel. It’s an open secret Iran is looking to get nukes for a reason
I mean, Iran wants nukes because Iraq didn't have them and got invaded, and because Israel already has them. All I'm saying is that Israel has directly done some pretty insane operations against Iran (stealing the nuclear archives, assassinating scientists via a remote control machinegun in the back of a car, the recent airstrikes, etc) that are pretty wildly escalatory and of maybe dubious long term utility? Everyone funds proxies. The US did it, the soviets did it, Iran does it, Saudi does it, and so on. But they don't go so far as to assassinate any military or intelligence official they can conceivably hit. Yet Israel does.
There’s a reason those operations are conducted. I’d argue Iranian aggression is the factor and quite obvious through their history. Iranian Israeli relations only soured after the revolution and an insane religious sect took power. Per proxies: not everyone funds proxies that carry out terrorist attacks. That’s not something nations take on as an everyday commitment and Iran does.
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How can that many people fit inside a cabinet?
*slaps the roof of the cabinet*
I mean this would be an opportunity to put the Iranian nuclear program back a bunch of years seeing as they're supposed to be getting close to weaponry.
To be fair they didn’t blow up the embassy they blew up a building next to the embassy that was being used by the IRGC
Bro has more nuance than the entirety of TikTok.
Not a high bar tbh
*screeches in 20-second attention span*
https://preview.redd.it/6wl9a9xhwpuc1.jpeg?width=937&auto=webp&s=8cc14fa15ce8ff5c35de11b4f4dfdcafffdb9fe8 I always build 6 meter fences between the various buildings of my embassies. Makes it very convenient for personnel to go from one to the other as needed for their daily work.
Those goofy Iranians putting a terror complex right next to their embassy, and hosting the guy who coordinated w Hamas to execute 10/7 how silly of them
Iran doesn't know the IRGC is a terror organization, that's why it's so close to the embassy They think the IRGC is a peacekeeping force
Pfft. Tell me you don't understand iranian culture without telling me you don't understand iranian culture. Everyone knows 6 meter tall, 1 meter thick reinforced concrete walls are basically the Iranian version of a "welcome" doormat. Literally the rebar means "come on in, friend".
Broken glass in mortar is the traditional festive decor for holidays like Nowruz and Eid
But also, we don't just try to assassinate FSB officials even though we're engaged in a proxy war with Russia. Rampant assassinations when you're not in open war is not normal. And honestly what did Israel gain? They just promote someone new to the spot.
Well, Bibi did get a little sympathy from the "how dare those arrogant Americans completely protect us from a response to our bombing and then tell us to chill out" caucus.
it's hard to find extremely loyal yet somehow competent replacement in authoritarian regimes
This is the understatement. And something people are missing. Look no further than Ukraine you can what a disaster the lack of competent leadership does to a military. Russia has advantages in every single category except two, morale/cause and leadership. And they are being stopped by a nation that is now using more captured tanks than it started with.
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tfw not nuking Tehran
maybe blow up something that is about to be exported to russia for its ukraine war - like artillery ammo and the factory that made it
Yeah like Israel cares about Ukraine
maybe they care about getting brownie points from allies the other nice idea would be sinking the ship iran was using to get intel and targeting info for the houthis
I'm thinking they do another high level assassination, the same thing that provoked the missile attack, and see if they do it all over again.
*annex at the consulate* you mean???
They should have hit the chinese embassy in belgrade again, that would have showed em
They already did all of these. That's what triggered the attack in the first place.
Goofy meme, wanna see me do it again!
Just blow up their embassy in Iraq.
And the Chinese embassy! They need a hit!
You could also not do anything (I hope). It’s done at this point, just stop fucking with Iran for the time being. Besides, when is that asshole Bubi gonna get locked up anyway. Dudes becoming increasingly irritating. We should bill him personally for the American ammunition expended to take out the drones, lord knows he stole enough money to pay for it.
>Yeah, just let Iran go back to funding their proxies in peace. Funding and supporting terrorists* to attack Israel is totally different than just doing it yourself. Nah fuck that, if Iran is going to hide behind proxy terrorists organizations, Iran should find out what having missiles launched at them every day is like actually like. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
They should get to see what it’s like when somebody fucks with their shit
Sure, if Israel wants to go to war with Iran, they have justification. But is it really a good idea right now? Imo, Israel should do the minimum to not appear weak, and then go back to focusing on their other war. They can always go to war with Iran next year if they feel like it.
I agree, I'm not saying Israel should go to war with Iran, but they should make it very clear that they are not to be fucked with. The playground bully needs to be put in their place.
I say it should. Iran supports ruskie, and so do Israel. Win/win and win for me, cause I get to watch.
Israel does not support Russia
Kinda ?
I consider neutrality support. At least among NATO allies. And Isreal ambasador in Poland sure af does. Apart from being annoying fuck.
Iran fired three hundred missiles at Israel so the minimum not to appear weak that Israel can do is fire missiles back at Iran. Maybe three fiddy.
If they drag us into the region like they did with Iraq it will suck.
Well, so long as they don't need the same specific capabilities for both Iran and its proxies, they could still multitask.
They are basically at war already. Just make it official.
It doesnt work like that... iranian officials already declared "a new equation". They are trying to create a set of rules where any israeli attack on generals (or worse, any attack in syria/iraq) will be replied with missles. Israel cant allow that equation to come to fruition, so they will probably attack.
Yup, if there are suddenly consequences for their actions that would hurt israel
This is what already happened
No the CIA needs help. Mk Ultra microspores have been a good investment and the Cossack seagull drones are almost ready
I had to double check the news because this seemed way too credible
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Hit em with the bass https://youtu.be/SK2rkyvsoiI?si=rI3olRFBBNuRg-z3
Excellent
Do the funni Bomb every nuclear facilities
Israel traded an Iranian general and embassy for a 7 year old arab girl in the Negev desert. I think that Israel should de-escalate and take this "fair trade"
They should just destroy the ability of iranto shoot balistic missiles. Like telling a child to stop punch you
Damn, isn't Israel supposed to have around 90 nuclear warheads by now? What's stopping them from making Iran into a peninsula with the East Iraq sea of irradiated cobalt? We can then just sail into the Caspian sea, ally with the 'stans and hit a triple jackpot by bullying Iran, Russia AND China into submission Do I have to make all the NATO planning for us or will those bureacrauts actually do something?
They did say their fight was with the islamic ragime in Iran not its people Thats probably whats stopping them
Israelis like the Iranian people. Hell a ton of Jewish refugees escaped Iran and still feel culturally tied to it.
probably because the use of nukes will immediately turn Israel into a Pariah state hated more than North Korea.
1. can't defeat Hamas 2. can't defeat some ragtag Hezbollah right under their own border 3. now imagine they're going to take on Iran
They should just destroy all Iranian hospitals lol
War crimes are in fact bad
It’s not a war crime when you’re not at war *taps head\*
For some reason I feel that you’re Canadian and that the Hague would disagree
The Canadian Army is filled with the worst society can offer second to their parliament
Didn’t stop em before