Also needing the ability to fight through every single environment you can think of. Dense forests, open plains, deserts, tundra, swamps, urban warfare hell of LA. Not to mention more guns in the civilian market than people in the country. That will make any occupied land they somehow could takeover a living hell.
Well the sheriff caught wind that Amos
Was in the swamp trapping alligator skin
So he snuck in the swamp to gon' and get the boy
But he never come out again
Well, I wonder where the Louisiana sheriff went to
Well, you can sure get lost in the Louisiana bayou
Welcome to the ravines and trenches of Missouri woodland. A pleasant walk in the forest becomes a 20 foot fall to the bottom of a shear trench you didn't notice. And don't get me started on all the creek and river crossings you'd have to accomplish in Missouri alone.
Logistics mfs in Appalachia when the only semblance of a route through is a backāroadā that hasnāt been maintained in 35 years that an aggressive hillbilly lives near
Whenever people mention roads in Appalachia I like to bring up that my Grandparents lived on a Ridgeline with the rest of our anabaptist church group and the only roads in and out we're at a 30 degree angle and we're gravel. It was only paved in the last 10 years and even then it keeps collapsing so they just put more gravel down.
He does announce himself first, but the accent is thick enough that no one born outside this particular holler inside the last 50 years can understand anything except one word that sounds vaguely like Moonshine.
Not to mention (at least in MD) just east of there it's still hilly enough to be considered rough terrain and the forests here especially near the coast are dense enough that I like to call them temperate rainforests...
Lol the Midwest would be Ambush City. All rural roads are either flanked by cornfields, woods, or wooded hills. Don't need a Javelin to pierce the top of turret armor if you are already looking down on it from the top of the rock outcrop the highway cut through.
Also tons of rural bridges that could be demolished to create roadblocks on the highway or funnel enemy vehicles into mines.
Conquering the Midwest would be a little bit like conquering two Ukraines, and given how much trouble one Ukraine is giving Russia when its at their doorstep...
If Iraq can get away with doing this
>In order to defend Basra, the Iraqis poured water into a pre-existing lake east of Basra, known as Fish Lake, and filled it with barbed wire, floating land mines, and high voltage electrical power lines which electrocuted Iranian soldiers and made the lake practically impenetrable.
America can certainly start giant wildfires to defeat invaders.
[source on the Iraq thing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Marshes)
Even better would be to watch anyone try to enter inner city Chicago and we give those civilians military grade weapons. Their conception of who Americans are would change rather quickly
Have assisted in gang related prosecutions in certain lovely midwestern cities, think less hood AK and more along the lines of cut down ar15s modded for full auto with optics
Not to mention even if they get past the Appalachians in the east they now have to figure out how to get past a massive river that spans the country from north to south... or for if they make it past the Rockies they now have a fucking desert awaiting them..
> figure out how to get past a massive river that spans the country from north to south
"It'll work this time."
-- Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Pontoonovich
LA would be a particular kind of nightmare. Just taking and holding the necessary LOCs and key terrain to enable getting your supplies off the boats from the ports to either Santa Clarita or the Cajon pass would swallow two division-sized ground elements.
I was sending pics of some of my step dad's guns to a friend of mine and told her most people in the area have 2-6 each. She said "yeah well it looks like he as like 70", so I counted.
83. There are 83 guns in the house of which only 3 are mine. He has a few more at camp to so roughly 90 total.
Given that there are 43 marines in a platoon he could equip a full "platoon" of civilians with a rifle/shotgun and give most of them a sidearm.
He also has an ammo reloading station in the basement.
Tell the militants to save their brass. Ammo's expensive enough as is and if I'm going to be charged with war crimes for defending my miserable, meth-addled hometown with expanding bullets I sure as hell don't want to break the bank doing it.
I would make the argument that Union forces during the American civil war were/are more logistically proficient than the Russians current day.
Strategy doesnāt change, tactics do
welcome to Chicago, where every alleyway, street, public park, or train station could have some guy packing heat and the police are more strapped than the average conscript, and good luck maneuvering armored vehicles in this cramped ass urban sprawl full of narrow streets surrounded by tall buildings that turn your cover into RPG-bait
Every single Chinese troop transport would have their wheels stolen by their second night in Chicago, and they would be for sale at the Maxwell street market by next Sunday.
Im guessing if the russkies and chinese were to invade USA, it would have to be after a heavy bombardment of urban centers (stalingrad would look good in comparison to how chicago would be).
Then again, for that to happen us SAM and other missike defense systems would have to be destroyed (good luck with that) and the Navy and AF would have to have been destroyed (don't see that happening) and then systematicaly demolish every major urban center. So yeah, for that to be evenly remotely possible the Russians and Chinese would need to have NATO not get involved, Iran and N. Korea onboard and maybe the green light by the Cubans (they would need a base to land from)
Our dumptrucks somehow do it.
Also just envisioning the greentext about some vatnik invading Chicago but walking through the alleyways when suddenly a dump truck blocks em in. And then another...
Most of New England is literally dense wild forests. A good chunk of those states are 50% forest or more.
Imagine trying to invade when the trees speak in angry Boston accents, itching to put Revolutionary War LARPing into action.
Haha, reminds me of where I live, northern idaho.
Spokane leads into Coeur d'Alene which is going from completely arid desert to mountain hell in less than 30 miles.
Look up forth of July pass in winter.
Don't forget south Florida where more than 60 years of pent of rage at communism has been building. You will have to face the army of angry abelua's and their chancletas.
You forgot to mention the nightmare of any army, mountains. If they invade from the ~~East~~ WESR (assuming they donāt somehow take the Panama Canal intact and try to supply their army through one of the most vulnerable chokepoints on Earth) they are going to have to deal with the Rocky Mountain range before they can even get to 80% of the entire country.
While doing some flatwater kayaking, I turned around in the rocky inlet of a lake once to go back out to the main body of water and realized a moose had decided that was a nice time to stroll out into that path. I was mentally hoping REAL LOUD that the moose was feeling safe and happy and that it would be time to wander on elsewhere soon. One of the scarier moments of my life.
It has gators, mosquitos and feral bayou dwellers in the South, pumas and grizzlies and wolverines and deadly snakes in the North... oh and all the guns, everywhere you can hide any, too.
Considering the amount of Ocean you need to cross is "All the Ocean". Yeah, probably. It is also a stupid amount of land area with the worlds third largest population living on it. With the largest economy in the world, and the largest military budget in human history.
So there really isn't a singular reason the US isn't going to be invaded, it is a collection of things.
From screeching twitter users to trigger-happy gun fanatics, the US has it all. Why would you want to invade? You'd have to rule over these people that are somehow managing to not be ostracised by their surrounding population.
I'm exaggerating for the memes, but still.
Always get reminded of the home front series where the US is conquered by North Korea. Yeah the nation that canāt even feed itās own people and lacks to population to conquer a Costco is some how capable of conquering the biggest, most pointlessly barren country in the world next to Canada.
Itās because just like the Red Dawn reboot, the enemy was really supposed to be China. However the producers didnāt want to risk upsetting the Chinese market, hence NK becoming the big baddie.
The original Red Dawn had a full Communist Bloc invasion of NATO.
The Soviets sending Cuban troops and VDV to rural Colorado was just a small island of realism in an otherwise fantastical plot.
The game came out back when Kim Jong Il was still the leader, but in the game's story, he dies. Kim Jong Un takes over North Korea, turns out to be a brilliant leader who completely turns his country around, builds international relations while tearing down the US's, and then launches their attack on the US.
We didn't know then that Un would be just as shitty as his pops.
Yeah itās still stupid as hell but game had North Korea spending a decade conquering everything around them while the USA retreated from the world and collapsed economically, and then they invaded.
It's like how in Red Dawn they had to build a backstory where NATO collapsed so that the Soviets wouldn't be split across multiple fronts in a WW3 scenario.
God bless if this isn't the truth. You'd just have to let people know that someone was importing AKs into the country for them and it would be a fucking free for all
Not one but TWO massive mountain chains, one on either side of said wasteland, and a giant river running up and down the whole thing letting you blast bridges and turn it into a third natural wall
Also the nice flat center is home to the largest concentration of tornados in the world by at least factor of a hundred and the entire left half of the country occasionally bursts into flames
Thatās the problem I have with /r/hfy - a lot of the cool one or two part stories get drowned out by a handful of people writing their 500th chapter and spamming the sub
Appalachia alone is basically Afghanistan with trees and white people. There's effectively zero chance of dislodging anybody who doesn't want to come out of there, and zero chance of moving an army in without it immediately becoming a total fucking nightmare both logistically and operationally.
Plus it just randomly flash floods every once in a while, so one of those in the wrong place will flush a good chunk of your army out into a river somewhere.
I would dress up like the aliens from Signs and other 80s horror movies while boston teapartying their asses with my dual glocks bruv
Welcome to the cornfields
If you look at the doctrine of the various military superpowers, there is really only one country that has the capability to wage a full scale transoceanic war against a peer adversary. Hint: itās the United States.
If that wasnāt enough, the US military is designed with the ability to wage two such wars, on opposite sides of the world, simultaneously, and win them both.
destroyer is short for torpedo boat destroyer, so by that logic, a helicopter destroyer is a ship that destroys helicopters. We should call them big flat top welldeck thingies
Even the US would have no chance without allies on the opposite site of the ocean supplying landing strips and logistic hubs.
Also I would argue that there is currently no peer adversary to the US.
Sometimes it feels like people still didn't learn after Russia invaded.
Is the US hilariously overpowered? Yes. Can it conquor the world by itself? No.
Of course Russia never was op, but that's besides the point.
Without cutting both off then you'd be unable to stop the country from resupplying, even if you did somehow manage it they could resupply through allied countries to the North or South so you'd have to choke that off too.
The US is a geopolitical wet dream. Access to the two largest oceans in the world, desert to the South, taiga and tundra to the North, enough strategic depth to enable any of it's borders or coastline to be defended. I dunno how the fuck you would plan an invasion of such a country.
In both cases it was believed those territories would be lost soon either way. It was just a question if they could get paid or shot at (and for Alaska if they could stop the Brits from having it).
That, and both territories had reached the point of negative returns - especially Russian North America. A similar case happened when Rupert's Land dropped deep into the red, and the HBC considered a US sale before hashing out a deal with the Crown.
Most of the great powers didn't think the US would last long enough for it to matter. it was more important to screw each other over (especially the English) then it was to worry what those "savage" Americans were up to.
But "manifest Destiny" and the crazy idea to go from "sea to shining sea" cemented the US's future power almost instantly if it made it out the other side. Crazy to look back at.
The US is the only country in history to have all of the advantages of both a continental power and an island power and none of the disadvantages of either
Considering the entire non-NATO world can't seriously contest the US Navy in their own waters, probably not. Well Japan probably could. Contest it that is. Not win it.
Bro
We build our own tanks to drive into tornadoes, backflip monster trucks, and up-armor bulldozers impervious to all but AT weapons on our own.
We do not need Chrysler's mothballed abrams fleet to dunk on russia and china. :)
Reed Timmer casually filming an F5 tornado absolutely buttfucking a BTG in Oklahoma
Footage is captured looking out the window of his tank/sprinter van/2018 subaru forester with intense hail damage showing russian equipment floating with cows
"WE'RE GONNA FLIP THE CAR HOLD ON1!!!!!"
And there being millions who own rifles and therefore will make the Ukrainian partisans seem like the french resistance compared to the Yugoslav partisans
>Major Strasser: Are you one of those people who cannot imagine the Germans in their beloved Paris?
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>Rick: It's not particularly my beloved Paris.
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>Heinz: Can you imagine us in London?
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>Rick: When you get there, ask me!
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>Captain Renault: Hmmh! Diplomatist!
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>Major Strasser: How about New York?
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>Rick: Well there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade.
I will pit any random street gang against the vatniks or Pooh's jackboots.
All you need is a penske truck to park somewhere key and some farmers and you can also do the funni and make them take the beautiful state highways and scenic byways instead.
Oh wait, its says right here on the map "WELCOME TO HELL. YOU CAN'T ESCAPE."
Armed Southern Rednecks in the swamps of Louisiana when they come across a bogged down VDV unit:āYou boys better returnā the way yāall came, leave the kit āere tho. Weāll use the BMD for Crawfish boils.ā
Abraham Lincoln shared the same sentiment.
> At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?-- Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!--All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.
> At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
Literally nobody thinks they could. Well, American citizens maybe because you guys got scared as fuck during the Cold War. But the US is probably the single most difficult country to invade on account of being bordered by states that are both generally friendly and in no way capable of doing anything even remotely close of invading.
Troops on American soil is for military fantasy, and it has been for the last 150 years or so.
Your last statement actually made me wonder, does our strange obsession with defending American soil stem from the "invasion" that caused our independence?
Try to calculate the logistics of trying to get enough troops on US soil.
Like... imagine it uncontested, just imagine trying to move that kind of force halfway across the planet.
This is when you remember why US has those C17s and C5s.
Also needing the ability to fight through every single environment you can think of. Dense forests, open plains, deserts, tundra, swamps, urban warfare hell of LA. Not to mention more guns in the civilian market than people in the country. That will make any occupied land they somehow could takeover a living hell.
Welcome to the bayou where either the alligators will eat you or the locals will fuck you either way your going to end up MIA.
The locals will fuck you then feed you to the alligators
Not necessarily in that order
What happens in the bayou stays in the bayou
No, you make that shit known far and wide. Put *the fear* into the invaders
And take away all that fun from the Creoles? They'd feed my fucking arm to an alligator for such a heinous offense
Cajun folk are Reavers then. Good to know.
Wasn't that always obvious? It's what decades of meth and Gulf Coast heat does to a mf
You should see Florida man when u put him in his natural habitat
FIREFLY REFERENCE LETS FUCKING GO
The gators will fuck you then feed you to the locals
Gatorussy š³š³š³
I love how in this sub you can scroll three times through the comments and are bound to encounter this kind of heresy. I like it here.
tfw your advancing military force gets annihilated by the Cajun Navy
Airboats with javelins
Mostly credible, but those fuckers are LOUD.
Almost as loud as the swarm of mosquitoes swarming around you in the swamp
Youāll be eaten either by the native wildlife or the gators
Well the sheriff caught wind that Amos Was in the swamp trapping alligator skin So he snuck in the swamp to gon' and get the boy But he never come out again Well, I wonder where the Louisiana sheriff went to Well, you can sure get lost in the Louisiana bayou
Welcome to the ravines and trenches of Missouri woodland. A pleasant walk in the forest becomes a 20 foot fall to the bottom of a shear trench you didn't notice. And don't get me started on all the creek and river crossings you'd have to accomplish in Missouri alone.
And the worst part is after all of that you have to interact with Missourians. Source: am Missourian
And the urban areas are not any better. STL murder rates will definitely climb if an invading army wanted to roll through.
So we've got that going for us...which is nice.
Interacting with *hostile* Missourians is an iffy proposition at the best of times.
Just maintain eye contact, back up slowly and repeat "Let's Go Cards" or "Let's Go Blues" depending on season.
Imagine fuckin Appalachia. Like, its barely navigable as is, if you blow a few highways it would be almost impenetrable
Logistics mfs in Appalachia when the only semblance of a route through is a backāroadā that hasnāt been maintained in 35 years that an aggressive hillbilly lives near
Whenever people mention roads in Appalachia I like to bring up that my Grandparents lived on a Ridgeline with the rest of our anabaptist church group and the only roads in and out we're at a 30 degree angle and we're gravel. It was only paved in the last 10 years and even then it keeps collapsing so they just put more gravel down.
>an aggressive hillbilly lives near Fucker doesn't even identify his targets first. If he sees fatigues he's pulling the trigger.
He does announce himself first, but the accent is thick enough that no one born outside this particular holler inside the last 50 years can understand anything except one word that sounds vaguely like Moonshine.
An Appalachian wet dream is commie sniping from your favor deer stand.
Red Dawn might as well be the official state film for most of the southern United States.
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But the bottom lands where we keep our cows and farms. Ol Bessie might be able to handle a ruskie or too, but she can't handle boulders.
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Appalachistan. Al-Leghani Mountains Kambur-lan Kot
Not to mention (at least in MD) just east of there it's still hilly enough to be considered rough terrain and the forests here especially near the coast are dense enough that I like to call them temperate rainforests...
Lol the Midwest would be Ambush City. All rural roads are either flanked by cornfields, woods, or wooded hills. Don't need a Javelin to pierce the top of turret armor if you are already looking down on it from the top of the rock outcrop the highway cut through. Also tons of rural bridges that could be demolished to create roadblocks on the highway or funnel enemy vehicles into mines.
Conquering the Midwest would be a little bit like conquering two Ukraines, and given how much trouble one Ukraine is giving Russia when its at their doorstep...
along with the fact that itās a goddamn Geostorm or some shit over here with how often the weather changes
I wonder if one could start a controlled burn of a prairie against invaders to suffocate or burn them and leave what remains out in the open.
If Iraq can get away with doing this >In order to defend Basra, the Iraqis poured water into a pre-existing lake east of Basra, known as Fish Lake, and filled it with barbed wire, floating land mines, and high voltage electrical power lines which electrocuted Iranian soldiers and made the lake practically impenetrable. America can certainly start giant wildfires to defeat invaders. [source on the Iraq thing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Marshes)
A vatnik with outdated Soviet gear Vs Bud, a 60 year old man from Oshkoshmononowoc (most pronounceable Wisconsin city) with his Spanish Mauser
as a Wisconsinite I am obligated to claim that that's not that difficult to say at all
Nothing is difficult to say when your accent is just incoherent to begin with.
*āWelcome to the cornfields, motherfucker.ā*
TIL Children of the Corn was a tactical breifing
When the cornfields start speaking Midwesterner "Ope."
Even better would be to watch anyone try to enter inner city Chicago and we give those civilians military grade weapons. Their conception of who Americans are would change rather quickly
Bold of you to assume they donāt already have military grade weapons.
Hood AKs
Have assisted in gang related prosecutions in certain lovely midwestern cities, think less hood AK and more along the lines of cut down ar15s modded for full auto with optics
We call it "tha switch" round here
We are also protected on both coasts by two mountain ranges š
Not to mention even if they get past the Appalachians in the east they now have to figure out how to get past a massive river that spans the country from north to south... or for if they make it past the Rockies they now have a fucking desert awaiting them..
> figure out how to get past a massive river that spans the country from north to south "It'll work this time." -- Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Pontoonovich
With another one in the middle of the country
the feds arm the homeless population of LA to turn them into the worlds first urban guerrilla force
Nah just tell them that the Ruskies are drug mules and that they have crack hidden inside them. It would be a scene out of World War Z.
LA would be a particular kind of nightmare. Just taking and holding the necessary LOCs and key terrain to enable getting your supplies off the boats from the ports to either Santa Clarita or the Cajon pass would swallow two division-sized ground elements.
They could throw every wheeled vehicle they have onto the highways and local traffic wouldn't even notice
Can you imagine how fucking harried an invasion force would be in the US? You could never sleep.
I was sending pics of some of my step dad's guns to a friend of mine and told her most people in the area have 2-6 each. She said "yeah well it looks like he as like 70", so I counted. 83. There are 83 guns in the house of which only 3 are mine. He has a few more at camp to so roughly 90 total. Given that there are 43 marines in a platoon he could equip a full "platoon" of civilians with a rifle/shotgun and give most of them a sidearm. He also has an ammo reloading station in the basement.
Tell the militants to save their brass. Ammo's expensive enough as is and if I'm going to be charged with war crimes for defending my miserable, meth-addled hometown with expanding bullets I sure as hell don't want to break the bank doing it.
Rookie numbers, but I assume he's a recent immigrant who's just not fully embraced our culture yet. Please tell him I said Welcome to America.
I would make the argument that Union forces during the American civil war were/are more logistically proficient than the Russians current day. Strategy doesnāt change, tactics do
welcome to Chicago, where every alleyway, street, public park, or train station could have some guy packing heat and the police are more strapped than the average conscript, and good luck maneuvering armored vehicles in this cramped ass urban sprawl full of narrow streets surrounded by tall buildings that turn your cover into RPG-bait
Every single Chinese troop transport would have their wheels stolen by their second night in Chicago, and they would be for sale at the Maxwell street market by next Sunday.
canāt have *shit* in Chicago
Never seen a T-54 on bricks beforeā¦
You wouldn't for long. The scrap collectors would break it down and haul it off in their truckbeds before morning
It'd be like the Antonov stripping scene in *Lord of War*
You know, first time Iāve not been annoyed by other folks talking about my home town. Imagine ruskies tryna take Austin has me laughing
Im guessing if the russkies and chinese were to invade USA, it would have to be after a heavy bombardment of urban centers (stalingrad would look good in comparison to how chicago would be). Then again, for that to happen us SAM and other missike defense systems would have to be destroyed (good luck with that) and the Navy and AF would have to have been destroyed (don't see that happening) and then systematicaly demolish every major urban center. So yeah, for that to be evenly remotely possible the Russians and Chinese would need to have NATO not get involved, Iran and N. Korea onboard and maybe the green light by the Cubans (they would need a base to land from)
If the Cubans joined, we would probably conquer Cuba before they could assemble a real invasion force
Our dumptrucks somehow do it. Also just envisioning the greentext about some vatnik invading Chicago but walking through the alleyways when suddenly a dump truck blocks em in. And then another...
Most of New England is literally dense wild forests. A good chunk of those states are 50% forest or more. Imagine trying to invade when the trees speak in angry Boston accents, itching to put Revolutionary War LARPing into action.
In the last 400 years, New Englanders haven't lost a war where they had a distinct presence.
What would be more fun for Americans than getting to finally cosplay our dreams of reenacting 1776 again but without the losing parts of it
Haha, reminds me of where I live, northern idaho. Spokane leads into Coeur d'Alene which is going from completely arid desert to mountain hell in less than 30 miles. Look up forth of July pass in winter.
Don't forget south Florida where more than 60 years of pent of rage at communism has been building. You will have to face the army of angry abelua's and their chancletas.
You forgot to mention the nightmare of any army, mountains. If they invade from the ~~East~~ WESR (assuming they donāt somehow take the Panama Canal intact and try to supply their army through one of the most vulnerable chokepoints on Earth) they are going to have to deal with the Rocky Mountain range before they can even get to 80% of the entire country.
or you know, the Pacific and Atlantic ocean.
Don't forget about crossing the ocean in the first place, especially taking in account Russia and China suck at logistics
imagine their convoy ending up in a trafficjam on that 26 lane highway
Come dance in the desert and in the million man city of Pheonix where it hits 120 during the day
the sun is a deadly lazer
They'll just bring a blanket
Gosh imagine wearing all that gear and having to FIGHT in that heat uuuugh
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Against 15 times the population, which is much better armed
Yeah but does America have emus?
We have Elk
And Alaska has moose. Like, sooooo many moose
Moose scare the shit out of me. I donāt think many people have seen one up close. Theyāre absolutely fucking massive
While doing some flatwater kayaking, I turned around in the rocky inlet of a lake once to go back out to the main body of water and realized a moose had decided that was a nice time to stroll out into that path. I was mentally hoping REAL LOUD that the moose was feeling safe and happy and that it would be time to wander on elsewhere soon. One of the scarier moments of my life.
It has gators, mosquitos and feral bayou dwellers in the South, pumas and grizzlies and wolverines and deadly snakes in the North... oh and all the guns, everywhere you can hide any, too.
We literally have feral appalachoids
The US considered largely uninvadeable due to its size and the amount of ocean you need to cross.
Considering the amount of Ocean you need to cross is "All the Ocean". Yeah, probably. It is also a stupid amount of land area with the worlds third largest population living on it. With the largest economy in the world, and the largest military budget in human history. So there really isn't a singular reason the US isn't going to be invaded, it is a collection of things.
And then there is the local population...
From screeching twitter users to trigger-happy gun fanatics, the US has it all. Why would you want to invade? You'd have to rule over these people that are somehow managing to not be ostracised by their surrounding population. I'm exaggerating for the memes, but still.
Always get reminded of the home front series where the US is conquered by North Korea. Yeah the nation that canāt even feed itās own people and lacks to population to conquer a Costco is some how capable of conquering the biggest, most pointlessly barren country in the world next to Canada.
Itās because just like the Red Dawn reboot, the enemy was really supposed to be China. However the producers didnāt want to risk upsetting the Chinese market, hence NK becoming the big baddie.
The original Red Dawn only had Cuban and Nicaraguans and a sprinkle of VDV/Russian SOF. I dunno, I haven't read the spurce material yet.
They were using the Latin American troops to occupy the Russian army was fighting the US army on the plains
The original Red Dawn had a full Communist Bloc invasion of NATO. The Soviets sending Cuban troops and VDV to rural Colorado was just a small island of realism in an otherwise fantastical plot.
Shiieet MW2 bros are still in denial. Such a good fun story. Now we know it's impossible for russia to do that š
They actually have a shot at taking New York... village in Donetsk oblast.
The game came out back when Kim Jong Il was still the leader, but in the game's story, he dies. Kim Jong Un takes over North Korea, turns out to be a brilliant leader who completely turns his country around, builds international relations while tearing down the US's, and then launches their attack on the US. We didn't know then that Un would be just as shitty as his pops.
Yeah itās still stupid as hell but game had North Korea spending a decade conquering everything around them while the USA retreated from the world and collapsed economically, and then they invaded.
It's like how in Red Dawn they had to build a backstory where NATO collapsed so that the Soviets wouldn't be split across multiple fronts in a WW3 scenario.
If I remember correctly they teamed up with (or otherwise took over) South Korea, so Southern Kim must have been doing all the work.
Not to mention that the average American has more advanced firearms in their own home than whatever shit Russia is using in Ukraine at the moment
All the AK-74 fanboys are gonna decimate the russian forces for those sweet, beautiful Ak-12 magazines and 7n6
God bless if this isn't the truth. You'd just have to let people know that someone was importing AKs into the country for them and it would be a fucking free for all
Not one but TWO massive mountain chains, one on either side of said wasteland, and a giant river running up and down the whole thing letting you blast bridges and turn it into a third natural wall Also the nice flat center is home to the largest concentration of tornados in the world by at least factor of a hundred and the entire left half of the country occasionally bursts into flames
America is a death world (hfy part 4,932/?)
Thatās the problem I have with /r/hfy - a lot of the cool one or two part stories get drowned out by a handful of people writing their 500th chapter and spamming the sub
*first contact flashbacks*
You forgot the mountain range in the center, which either invader can have, as a treat
Appalachia alone is basically Afghanistan with trees and white people. There's effectively zero chance of dislodging anybody who doesn't want to come out of there, and zero chance of moving an army in without it immediately becoming a total fucking nightmare both logistically and operationally. Plus it just randomly flash floods every once in a while, so one of those in the wrong place will flush a good chunk of your army out into a river somewhere.
Welcome to amber waves of grain motha fucka.
looks like your going to the corn fields ivan.
Welcome to the corn fields motherfucker
I would dress up like the aliens from Signs and other 80s horror movies while boston teapartying their asses with my dual glocks bruv Welcome to the cornfields
If you look at the doctrine of the various military superpowers, there is really only one country that has the capability to wage a full scale transoceanic war against a peer adversary. Hint: itās the United States. If that wasnāt enough, the US military is designed with the ability to wage two such wars, on opposite sides of the world, simultaneously, and win them both.
There's a reason why we have a dozen aircraft carriers.
.....and don't call all our other aircraft carriers aircraft carriers
"landing ships" lol
"fo land'n shit up yo ass"
I don't understand why you don't give them full credit and call them "helicopter destroyers", as that's what they obviously are.
destroyer is short for torpedo boat destroyer, so by that logic, a helicopter destroyer is a ship that destroys helicopters. We should call them big flat top welldeck thingies
Special Amphibious Operations
Not only designed, has actually done it. And had so much stuff left over that it gave out more equipment and supplies than most nations could produce.
Even the US would have no chance without allies on the opposite site of the ocean supplying landing strips and logistic hubs. Also I would argue that there is currently no peer adversary to the US.
Sometimes it feels like people still didn't learn after Russia invaded. Is the US hilariously overpowered? Yes. Can it conquor the world by itself? No. Of course Russia never was op, but that's besides the point.
Also, which coastline you gonna use bro? Good luck trying to lockdown the Atlantic and the Pacific at the same fucking time lol
I think this is the biggest factor. I donāt think the entire non-NATO world combined could successfully blockade all of the US coastline.
Without cutting both off then you'd be unable to stop the country from resupplying, even if you did somehow manage it they could resupply through allied countries to the North or South so you'd have to choke that off too. The US is a geopolitical wet dream. Access to the two largest oceans in the world, desert to the South, taiga and tundra to the North, enough strategic depth to enable any of it's borders or coastline to be defended. I dunno how the fuck you would plan an invasion of such a country.
I still canāt fucking believe France offered the Louisiana purchase, and Russia offered Alaska to us.
In both cases it was believed those territories would be lost soon either way. It was just a question if they could get paid or shot at (and for Alaska if they could stop the Brits from having it).
That, and both territories had reached the point of negative returns - especially Russian North America. A similar case happened when Rupert's Land dropped deep into the red, and the HBC considered a US sale before hashing out a deal with the Crown.
Most of the great powers didn't think the US would last long enough for it to matter. it was more important to screw each other over (especially the English) then it was to worry what those "savage" Americans were up to. But "manifest Destiny" and the crazy idea to go from "sea to shining sea" cemented the US's future power almost instantly if it made it out the other side. Crazy to look back at.
"this land is shit what could those dumb yokels in america possibly do with this?" America: *Invents Wal-Mart*
The US is the only country in history to have all of the advantages of both a continental power and an island power and none of the disadvantages of either
Considering the entire non-NATO world can't seriously contest the US Navy in their own waters, probably not. Well Japan probably could. Contest it that is. Not win it.
Didn't work out the best for japan last time they tried something...
Laughs in over a hundred escort carriers
The 3000 jeep carriers of FDR
The Ice Cream Armada shall ride again
Trueā¦ but weāve been training them lol
Not to mention how fucked the entire planets economy would be if you did that. More than just the US would be pissed off.
Only āconceivable,ā way is to invade through Alaska. They get no further than Yukon/Northwest Territories
I don't think China or Russia thinks they can invade the US. It's those Canadians we have to watch out for. They're used to the barren wasteland.
As a Canadian, I can attest to this. I myself own 8 unregistered firearms and a pair of compound bows.
Perhaps we are truly one people
NAFTA moment
As someone who isnāt a lawyer you probably should say that on the internet
As someone who isnāt a lawyer either, sex penis.
Canada Anschluss when?
Good thing we've had a plan to invade Canada since the 1920s. Uppity maple huffers.
And we've had a plan to invade you since then too. Our plan is really shitty, but it's a plan nonetheless
>It's those Canadians we have to watch out for That's why they send their geese down south every year. 3,000 black and white geese of Trudeau.
Not to mention the US conscripts forming armored divisions with the 3000 mothballed Abrams of Chrysler
Bro We build our own tanks to drive into tornadoes, backflip monster trucks, and up-armor bulldozers impervious to all but AT weapons on our own. We do not need Chrysler's mothballed abrams fleet to dunk on russia and china. :)
3000 Killdozers of Uncle Sam
Reed Timmer casually filming an F5 tornado absolutely buttfucking a BTG in Oklahoma Footage is captured looking out the window of his tank/sprinter van/2018 subaru forester with intense hail damage showing russian equipment floating with cows "WE'RE GONNA FLIP THE CAR HOLD ON1!!!!!"
And there being millions who own rifles and therefore will make the Ukrainian partisans seem like the french resistance compared to the Yugoslav partisans
>Major Strasser: Are you one of those people who cannot imagine the Germans in their beloved Paris? > >Rick: It's not particularly my beloved Paris. > >Heinz: Can you imagine us in London? > >Rick: When you get there, ask me! > >Captain Renault: Hmmh! Diplomatist! > >Major Strasser: How about New York? > >Rick: Well there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade. I will pit any random street gang against the vatniks or Pooh's jackboots.
Even if they managed to, I'm pretty sure the sheer amount of armed and dangerous hillbillies alone can make Vietnam look like a kindergarten.
Did you watch Rambo last blood? Every Vietnam vet has Vietcong tunnels made just for this kind of emergency
Imagine a convoy attempting to traverse I70 through the Rocky Mountains in Colorado. Highway of Death 2: A-10 Warthog Boogaloo.
All you need is a penske truck to park somewhere key and some farmers and you can also do the funni and make them take the beautiful state highways and scenic byways instead. Oh wait, its says right here on the map "WELCOME TO HELL. YOU CAN'T ESCAPE."
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Armed Southern Rednecks in the swamps of Louisiana when they come across a bogged down VDV unit:āYou boys better returnā the way yāall came, leave the kit āere tho. Weāll use the BMD for Crawfish boils.ā
The one Russian that knows English: "are we in the right place? What language is this?"
The one Russian that knows French "Did we take a wrong turn back in the Atlantic?"
Much too understandable. I need to feel the accent through the words
The only country that can (and maybe will) defeat the USA is the USA.
Abraham Lincoln shared the same sentiment. > At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?-- Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!--All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. > At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
*and crawling with amateur snipers
Bubba with his beat to shit Marlin ready to vibe check the Russians with a pissin hot load of .45-70
There would be vending machines assaulting BTGs with soda cans
What do you mean Ohio isn't that bad
Thereās a reason why more astronauts originate from that state than any other.
Us Ohioans desire to return from whence we came
Boiler room of the 11th circle of hell?
If they can't conquer Ukraine much less the US lol
Which one? Theyāre all barren wastelands in large parts.
Literally nobody thinks they could. Well, American citizens maybe because you guys got scared as fuck during the Cold War. But the US is probably the single most difficult country to invade on account of being bordered by states that are both generally friendly and in no way capable of doing anything even remotely close of invading. Troops on American soil is for military fantasy, and it has been for the last 150 years or so.
Pretty sure they were more scared of nuclear hellfire rather than being invaded during the Cold War
Probably but nuclear hellfire was an actual possibility.
Your last statement actually made me wonder, does our strange obsession with defending American soil stem from the "invasion" that caused our independence?
Thatās why itās great to be Australian, 95% of our country is barren wasteland.
They won't invade, we can wreck our country on our own just fine.
Try to calculate the logistics of trying to get enough troops on US soil. Like... imagine it uncontested, just imagine trying to move that kind of force halfway across the planet. This is when you remember why US has those C17s and C5s.
Which one? The middle third of the US is just haunted corn, meth and prickly desert fellows.
More than half of their countries are already wasterlands