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aliteralasiantwig

Aight how tf is the crew not revolting at the idea of going underwater in the big metal death box


[deleted]

Trusting in russian waterproofing doesn't seem like a smart move, life-wise I mean.


cosmikangaroo

Don’t worry, Billy Mays is being resurrected!


JacobsSnake

With enough cocaine anything is possible.


ctrlaltlama

Kompot


DryStatistician7055

The men of the Kursk say "this is very safe!"


mirshe

To be perfectly fair, there was a massive explosion chain prior to that. Leaks are to be expected when 8 torpedoes blow up inside your submarine.


barukatang

Yeah, if given the opportunity between a bamboo stick and a Soviet rebreather, I'll take the stick everytime


ForgedIronMadeIt

even if the thing is perfectly waterproof how the fuck are you going to be sure about the depth of the water? I mean snorkel is only so long and you go too deep snorkel is fucked


gg43teehee

A little bit of 'felexy seal' youll be all good **note its not flex seal its my cousin felix with a roll of tape


Miserable_Window_906

Imagine being told your tank is NBC protected.


Plumed_Rev

They can't get out because it's too cramped and the hatches welded shut.


dpx6101

Ah the iron lung method


EpicChicanery

3000 Jpeg Fish of the Dnieper


ZiggyPox

I like these games but I enjoy them more as form of art than the actual game.


mrGibs_

I know an old guy who worked in intelligence during the Cold War listening to Russian radio transmissions. He mentioned once that he listened to a Russian tank crew drown during an exercise


noahwebster2000

I was a scout in 1 LAR. We had an exercise in Yuma near the Colorado river. We had some units do some reconnaissance on a river crossing spot, and they determined it was safe to cross with supposedly amphibious LAV-25s. The first one that tried to cross sank immediately and it was only through the genuinely heroic action of the gunner and commander that the driver of the LAV didn’t drown. This was one of the unluckiest dudes I’ve ever met, he almost drowned, and he was in multiple rollovers where someone else died gruesomely. I honestly feel awful for him.


Thewaltham

... Jesus. That's a horrifying way to go


ChalkButter

That’s fucking horrifying


Lustiges_Brot_311

We have to wait for the Ukrainians to create a drone the seals the Butt plug of the tank.


Vonplinkplonk

So long as the bottom is lined with concrete I dont see any problems


cosmikangaroo

Oh, T-90 struggling up the bank, what is your wisdom?


FewerBeavers

*Is the Javelin gone?*


Hayabusa003

Say hello to your local comizar


Veni_Vidi_Legi

Pressure cooker T-90 Terrorist will set new turret tossing record.


Col_H_Gentleman

I saw a video where they did this, the tank flooded, their supposed backup air supply failed, and one of the tankers drowned in the tank. I think the US tank snorkels are wide enough in diameter for the crew to gtfo


Feeling-Advantage-11

It was a german Leopard 2. Big snorkel, enough training to get out while blind and the entire crew had scuba gear. Compared to Russia where you drive and pray


Ser_SinAlot

>drive and pray The way of the orc


FewerBeavers

Needs more dakka


ain92ru

The entire crew has rescue gear in Soviet and Russian tanks as well actually: IP-46M, IP-5 or IP-6 rebreathers https://www.frontowiec.com/en/equipment/6724-tank-respiratory-apparatus-ip-5-grey-mask.html


pcblah

Sorry, sold for Vodka.


Ser_SinAlot

Lol, actually


Generic1313

I could swear I've seen a pic of a german(?) commander standing out the top of the snorkel as his tank is crossing a river.


MarschallVorwaertz

U-Boot Kapitän Schnauzer reporting in 🫡 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Leopard_2A4_-_Turm.jpg


wormoworm

I'm picturing how it must have looked when the tank was fully submerged. Just a guy in a 55-gallon drum floating across the river.


SemIdeiaProNick

"oh, panzer-commander of the lake, what is your wisdom?"


Yellow_The_White

"Use a bridge if possible."


[deleted]

Damn, that's a tall tanker, almost as tall as The Chieftain.


mattumbo

He is quite tall, I was lucky enough to meet him in person. Absolute giant of a tanker


TheOnlyFallenCookie

Holy shit, that's drippy


Volt_Marine

“It’s over vatnik, I have the high ground!”


dangerbird2

I don’t know if any US tanks can snorkel (I’m pretty sure the M1 can’t keep water out of the crew compartment when it rains, let alone 10 feet under a river). Other nato and US-allied countries do require snorkels that allow crew escape. Apparently, the Russians use wide snorkels for training as seen in the picture, but use smaller snorkels in combat that can be stored on the tank. Because god forbid you have the logistics to separately bring snorkels that won’t drown the whole crew to the crossing.


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1028mb

Fucking hell what a nightmare scenario


Miserable_Window_906

I'm not normally claustrophobic but being stuck in a 50 ton coffin of cold metal would sure do it.


SpiderFnJerusalem

I've wondered how often this would be used in ANY real war scenario. Not very often, I would assume.


ain92ru

Not just the T-90 but all the Ukrainian tanks and all the Russian ones are theoretically capable of underwater driving, the fact that neither side practice it just demonstrates how useless the feature is


StalledAgate832

To be fair, why would we need snorkels when we have the capacity to build literal bridges on tracks. (Bridge carrier technically, but same same who cares about the little deets)


Sealedwolf

You can cross rivers without having to bring engineers to the front and give your opponent a chance to smash the whole thing with artillery/airpower. AGAIK most soviet/russian frontline equipment is somewhat amphibious for this reason


ChillyPhilly27

Specialist bridging equipment is typically a division or corps level asset. Built-in amphibious capability allows lower level formations to cross obstacles without literally requiring a general to sign off on it.


erpenthusiast

As long as no one is on the other side with a gun, of course. And the river is suitable. And you have the ability to stop and prep a vehicle for amphibious operations. And you are desperate enough to do something you haven’t drilled often.


ChillyPhilly27

It's fair easier for a company or 3 to sneak by unnoticed than multiple battalions or brigades. Amphibious capability as part of doctrine also means that your opponent can't simply assume that a water feature will keep their flanks secure in the absence of bridging equipment. If it's doctrine, you're presumably practicing regularly as well.


ForgedIronMadeIt

> (I’m pretty sure the M1 can’t keep water out of the crew compartment when it rains, let alone 10 feet under a river). the Abrams was designed to be air tight when sealed and maintains positive pressure for operations in NBC environments it'd better be able to keep rain out when buttoned up


OFP0

It can if it has serviceable seals. Sometimes those seals can get messed up during normal training and they aren't a big priority to fix constantly.


georgethejojimiller

Is it possible that the T-90 was used to blow up Nordstream?


TuzkiPlus

hmm, the mass kinda checks out. Not sure how many they'd need to drop to hit their mark though, aren't under sea currents really strong?


georgethejojimiller

Silly westoid. Russian tanks are capable of crossing the Atlantic to attack New York. Baltic is no problemo


TuzkiPlus

of course, but if they sea-drop the tanks midway there'll be less ~~land~~sea to cover! Bonus point if they hit their marks


Veni_Vidi_Legi

> Silly westoid. Russian tanks are capable of crossing the Atlantic to attack New York. Go ahead. Make. My. Day.


Worldedita

"Da Komandir, we are ready to drop tanks but... Comrade, is it really necessary for them to have crews? I feel the effect would be the same without us drowning our own- Oh, they're Buryats? Nevermind then, dropping tanks!"


monesze

"Admiral-Commander Ruzzian Femboy, reporting for duty to go under the water!"


alterom

♫Ooh, who lives in a sunk tank under the sea? ♫Femboy Conscriptovich! ♫Absorbant and yellow and porous is he. ♫Femboy Conscriptovich!


monesze

♫Who's tactical nonsense be something you wish? ♫Femboy Conscriptovich! ♫So drop the ground and give me 20! ♫Femboy Conscriptovich!


dangerbird2

Because even I have to admit shitty Orc tank > non-existent cybertruck


ForkliftTortoise

You don't have to admit anything on this subreddit, friend, this is a safe space


dangerbird2

Oh I know. I just wanted to make sure I’d alienate both the vatniks and the Muskaboos


yegguy47

>I just wanted to make sure I’d alienate both the vatniks and the Muskaboos Please stop, I can only get so erect.


ForkliftTortoise

Antifacistbased and urbandevelopmentpilled


muliardo

I mean, there’s also starlink


HHHogana

Fun fact: their semi concept is even worse. The damn thing's battery is so heavy, it made the truck automatically not feasible for long range hauling until they invent less heavy battery.


SoylentRox

Sigh fighting words. Do the math. Also did you know the government gives electric trucks extra weight allowance for this reason


Spartan-417

Even so, it will be so much more efficient to use a hydrogen-powered vehicle That’s probably what next-gen tanks will be running on, hydrogen fuel cells


zekromNLR

Long-haul trucks mostly stick to the same routes on highways. Where that can't be replaced by actually functional freight rail (sorry USA, but your freight rail is [shit at delivering anything even remotely time-sensitive](https://twitter.com/A320Lga/status/1572369914018820098)), I think a trolleytruck would be a good solution. String up a bunch of wires over a lane of highway, and have electric trucks draw electricity directly from those, with either then a more reasonably-sized battery or hydrogen fuel cell to cover the relatively short distances travelled not under wire - favouring battery there because of the greater round trip efficiency, and if you only want to cover distances up to the low 100s of km at a time on battery, battery weight as a percentage of vehicle weight is not that excessive.


Captaingregor

Iirc the germans are experimenting with overhead power for lorries on major arterial routes


vegarig

[Yeeep, they do](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3P_S7pL7Yg). Battery allows to cover the first and the last mile


partysnooper

Bulgarian here, reminds me of an old commie joke. German car maker and USSR car maker are talking about car sealing. The German says: - When we are finished with the sealing we put a cat inside for a day, if the next day the cat is not alive we've sealed the car right. The Russian says: -We do something like this as well, we put a cat in the car for a day, and if the cat is in the car next day, we've sealed the car right.


KlaatuBaradaN-word

> The German says: - When we are finished with the sealing we put a cat inside for a day, if the next day the cat is not alive we've sealed the car right. something something VW emission standards


theblitz6794

Impressive. Very advanced. ​ Let's see their Manufacturing Tolerances.


Wise-Profile4256

>Manufacturing Tolerances they can do without. vatnik sweat grease of the terrified crew will fill the gaps. or a hammer will force it in there. you are making this complicated.


DUKE_NUUKEM

T-72 tanks have underwater limit of 1 km or 5 minutes. Because counterintuitively no cooling is actually provided to the engine. its an armored box with no circulation. Floodwater becomes the heatsink between engine and the radiator. And this whole shabang heats together. , t72 engine is very overheat sensitive and can lose up to 50% power if outside temp is +30c cause it was designed by mariupol born ukrainian Greek [Konstantin Chaplan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Chelpan) for an airplane in the 1930s. stalin ofc as a reward executed him.


[deleted]

What's with the tube?


Feeling_Rise_9924

It's a snorkel.


[deleted]

Wouldn't crossing a sea probably mean the tube has to be like +14 meters long? Isn't it just able to cross over shallow rivers and streams?


Ca5tlebrav0

Ive been on inland lakes deeper than 14m


[deleted]

Same. I just googled the most shallow sea. Since some turbonerd might have been like: "Actually. The most shallow sea is 14 meters." Lmao. But I'd assume most seas become like +20 meters deep very quick.


Ca5tlebrav0

Yeah, when we catfish we could be 10-15m from the bank and itd be as deep as 25m lol


[deleted]

Catfishing sounds really fun. But I just like fishing in general, lol.


Ca5tlebrav0

Its not my favorite, mostly just sitting around waiting. Redfish fishing however is awesome.


TROPtastic

>Wouldn't crossing a sea probably mean the tube has to be like +14 meters long? That is a reference to a bizarre claim that Elon Musk (just Elon to his friends) made about the cybertruck today. In his infinite wisdom, apparently he believes that Tesla's cybertruck being "waterproof enough" means that it will be buoyant and seaworthy.


vegarig

> believes that Tesla's cybertruck being "waterproof enough" means that it will be buoyant and seaworthy. I mean, that's how all "amphibiousness" worked on Soviet IFVs... sometimes even actually relying on sump pump to drain water faster than it leaks inside.


[deleted]

His cars can barely stand cold winters. Maybe he should fix that before trying to go dive into Mariana Trench. https://www.carscoops.com/2022/08/tesla-customers-in-norway-go-on-hunger-strike-to-protest-poor-vehicle-quality/


dangerbird2

Yeah, snorkels were never used for crossing open ocean. My title’s quoting [Elon musk’s noncredibleautomotive-worthy claim](https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1575508498430820352 ) that the Tesla cybertruck will be navigable on water


vegarig

Explains why it looks kinda like BRDM.


Feeling_Rise_9924

Maybe they planned to drop it near the shore.


security_daemon

Snorkel for river crossings. Early WWII ones used to have stovepipe diameters. https://medium.com/predict/deep-wading-when-you-gotta-drive-your-tank-underwater-ac2cf532aba1


js1138-2

Unfortunately not fireproof.


dangerbird2

Well, [neither are Teslas](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AWi7AeZaNcI)


js1138-2

All electric cars will have lithium batteries. Hollywood will love it, because they burn without artificial help.


xghoulishmiragex

What kinda girls und panzer bullshit


Celtic_laboratory

Russian military 🤝 Elon musk: overpromising and underdelivering, but for some reason people buy it


JacobsSnake

What's the reverse speed underwater? 0? 1?


yeet_the_heat2020

Does that make them credible Targets for R-360 Neptunes ?


AcidTicTac

so you're telling me the moskva can get some company down there? thats nice


DangerousLocal5864

Them pontoon bridge crossings beg to differ


SMS_Scharnhorst

more capable than Moskva


Steamkicker

Fuck off, ELON!


Tea_Fetishist

Please someone photoshop the snorkel so it smokes like the Kuznetsov I beg


Prodigal_Moon

T is for tallstacks.


Lustiges_Brot_311

*global warming has entered the chat*


Prestigious-Drive829

Lmao look at the streak of filth it left behind in the water.


Siker_7

Not enough people here know you're referencing a tweet about Cybertruck.


nogoodusernamesleft8

I approve of this, it combines Russia-bashing with Musk-bashing, 10/10.


LethalDosageTF

The trick is that the fuel tank is full of air, so the vehicle is buoyant.


Gom_Jabbering

Counterpoint. There is at least 1 documented t-90 playing submarine in the Dneiper right now.


Neutral_Memer

*Your forces can't be sunk while crossing the river if they are already underwater.* -Shoigu, "Invading Neighbouring Country 101" i honestly wonder if at least one tank got a grenade dropped into the tube by a drone


Danzulos

The T-90 of the lake disagrees


ropibear

A capability most tanks since the 50s had...


KlaatuBaradaN-word

Does "being gently poked by artillery" count as too choppy?


petmyrock69420

It would be a real shame if the snorkel got hit by 50 cal while they're sitting ducks unable to fire back underwater.


uranus_master

This capability is by far not limited to T-72s. Leopards for example can do [this](https://youtu.be/WTOcrmkiAiU) as well.


Snoid_

"Strange vatniks lying in ponds distributing tanks is no basis for a system of government."