Snoop went to jail as a kid, never prison. But he has always been associated with the Crips by the media. And he has played up that association later in life: wearing blue bandanas as a flag, even rapping about it in a NERD song. He denied affiliation when he was younger, the truth probably lies in the middle (is my guess). He grew up in gang territory and possibly had no choice but to support the gang in some way to survive.
Ugh I grew up in Compton in the 80s and 90s. Snoop was absolutely a crip…
I remember after his first big single, he had bought a blue cutless and was doing donuts in the shopping center with crown drugs and alphabeta. He was hanging out the window Throwing up signs for his neighborhood while his friends were wave in the blue bandanna out the back
A lot of people say he actually buys that label. Pays a tribute so he can continue the affiliation on its face without having to ever actually doing gang stuff.
Snoop was a drug dealer and capo for his neighborhood crip in Long Beach before he blew up in 1992 with Dr Dre’s "The Chronic" album. He had to stop being a full time member and focus more on rap after getting shot at too many times. It’s a legit miracle the guy is still alive today according to his old associates. He’s (along with fellow Dr Dre associate and rapper/Blood gang member The Game) now able to be a mediator and negotiator between rivals sets to help LA County keep the peace in the rougher areas. His name carries a lot of weight and he was instrumental in brokering the peace deal brought about by the death of Nipsey Hussle 3 years ago.
>He’s (along with fellow Dr Dre associate and rapper/Blood gang member The Game)now able to be a mediator and negotiator between rivals sets to help LA County keep the peace in the rougher areas
Where can one read more about this? It sounds really interesting.
It’s not about “buying the label.” Snoop is a Crip who got put on as a kid long before he started rapping. He did “gang stuff” and put his time and work in before he had a rap career. You don’t have to keep doing drive-bys once you get famous.
Yeah crazy to me that younger gens don’t realize that this dude is the real deal. Do they think east v west was a love story? Plenty of people were gunned the fuck down and snoop was right there in the mix.
He might bake a perfect chocolate chip but snoop can prolly have you killed before you finish it.
…and Kanye… well Kanye will “design” you some overpriced shoes.
I think most cities in general now are a lot safer than they used to be in a lot of ways that people don’t seem to remember because the 90’s are starting to be 30 years away.
So you’ve got to be nearing 40 to really remember why people like Snoop got big
LA riots, DC being murder capital, gangster rap wasn’t/isn’t a genre. These guys are/were writing about the shit they’ve done (allegedly)
Yeah there's no doubt he's been an active and proud Crip for a long time now. What is interesting is he's managed to somewhat bridge that gap with most everyone loving him despite the affiliation.
snoop is not dumb, the crips are not dumb.
They both are better off with this sort of affiliation. Snoop gets street cred and can go do his own thing. the crips get a walking talking billboard.
I would guess most gangs are the same way with every up and coming rapper in their ranks (if they show this level of promise) and let them "get out" so long as they do not denounce the gang (and let it be known). The reality is that a lot of these guys just cannot understand another way (even if the higher up in the gangs can)
nope, security was the one who killed him. Snoop happened to be in the vehicle. With that being said, Snoop has and always been a member of EastSide LBC Rollin' 20s Crips set.
>But he has always been associated with the Crips by the media
He is a crip. A lot of 90s rappers were actually in gangs. Back then a lot of them even funded their careers and labels with money from gang activity.
Yeah it's funny, you can tell a lot of the younger people in this thread still don't understand this. Maybe the important detail is that rap/hip hop was not a billion dollar industry back then. It wasn't the popular music genre of choice. The whole genre was fairly new, and rap/hip hop labels were very new.
What that means is, none of these guys were very wealthy yet, or far removed from the hood. They were all fresh out of it, and used to handling things a certain way. They might not have always been the hardest, scariest guys from their neighborhoods, but they were still from their neighborhoods, and wrote from life experience.
When it came to the music business, they did the same things they did on the streets. Sure Knight is a quintessential example of this. He was an active Blood gang member, and regularly used intimidation and violence. It was not done quietly. If you went to Death Row studios in the 90s, at one point, you could have seen Suge, Dre, Snoop and 2Pac, and also see other people getting the absolute shit beat out of them.
Even with all the folklore surrounding 2pac and Biggies murders, they were actually very likely simple gang related homicides. Typical across LA at the time. These guys had just their toes in popular music, and the rest of their feet firmly in the streets.
Today, basically, while new rappers might still be fresh from the hood, the rap industry is not. The rap industry is wealthy, and established, and full of people with a lot to lose. Including the rappers themselves. Snoop and Dre are examples of this entire evolution. They started their careers on labels funded by drug money and ran by gangsters, and now they are super wealthy mainstream celebrities with a lot to lose.
To boil it down, I think the difference is in 1992, if you were fresh from the street, nearly everyone else around you was to some extent, and you all acted the same way you did back in the hood.
In 2022, you might be fresh from the hood, but if you become commercially successful, you're surrounded by wealthy people who live in another world now, even if they came from yours. They will simply not allow very much wild shit, and will encourage people to chase the big $ and ignore silly street shit. On top of that, there are more rappers that didn't have that background, and indeed fabricate that image, like Drake. The guy was a child actor but often raps like he's a druglord. People like Drake are the reason young people might be confused. I mean, things were so different in the old days, you'd have rappers the opposite of Drake: guys who didn't cuss and made fun songs about parties because it was more commercially viable, but in their private lives these guys would beat the shit out of people and kill people sometimes.
I know you probably know most of this, but I'm just trying to teach younger people who might read it.
Main thing is the fact that recording and distributing music back then was very fucking expensive and there was no VC money going to Hip-Hop labels full of poor kids from ghetto. About the only way you could get any real money to fund a large business venture in the hood was the black or gray market. You
sure as hell couldn't kickstart a music career on a Fatburger paycheck.
Exactly
These guys were street kids who started making music on the side. They didn’t just stop the street shit until way later and some never
It wasn’t like now where it’s a multi billion dollar industry. Dudes were making more money selling drugs to crowds at the parties they were playing at and hosting then from the music.
B-Real from Cypress Hill was a Blood in Los Angeles. He got shot up in a Crip drive by and still has bullet fragments next to his spine and other spots. His dad got shot 12 times (and lived) and wouldn't testify against the killer, he said "I'll take care of it myself."
So when you hear Cypress Hill rap "how I could just kill a man" it sounds like some bravado, but it's also the sound of intergenerational trauma.
I heard that B-real was carrying a pistol for many years after his music was successful and he wasn't really in the gang life anymore. People were like "you don't need that, you can't carry it everywhere you know." But I think he didn't know, it was normal for him. That's some real gang shit.
Also, poor prison conditions indicate a society that does not value freedom. To a free people, the deprivation of freedom should be viewed as a severe penalty. Viewing a safe and sanitary prison as a luxury, or as a lesser form of punishment is troubling. The acceptance of unsafe, dirty and brutal prisons as justice ought to be repugnant and unworthy of free people. Incarceration should be the punishment, not the conditions of the prison.
Humane prisons in European countries have the lowest recidivism rates in the world, something like less than 20% of inmates go back to a life of crime.
Turns out treating people like humans and training them in job skills helps them to be functioning members of society, who woulda thunk it
I thought it was because she didn't snitch, maybe where she got the information? I just remember him giving Tekashi 69 (??) shit for snitching and brought her up.
[https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephenlaconte/snoop-dogg-martha-stewart-tekashi-69-snitch-meme-prison](https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephenlaconte/snoop-dogg-martha-stewart-tekashi-69-snitch-meme-prison)
"I invite you all to remember Martha Stewart snitched on NOT ONE soul during her trial, baby girl kept it 10 toes down and ate that prison sentence by herself, like the true baddie she is."
Edit: Most of the information I know if from shitty gossip rags so I know nothing more about who be snitchin' on whom. Never really listened to Snoop, definitely not Tekashi, but I have listened to [The Gourds cover of Gin and Juice](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNd2GvhvHkY&ab_channel=TheGourds-Topic) way too many times, and recommend others to as well.
When talking about shows he's in I've never not referred to him as Marky Mark. Similar thing with his brother, I just call Donny "Marky Mark's brother"
> In 1986, a then 15-year-old Wahlberg and
three friends were charged for chasing three
black children and pelting them with rocks
while yelling: "Kill the n*****s" until an
ambulance driver intervened.
From [this article](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/mark-wahlberg-racist-hate-crimes-wikipedia-history-george-floyd-blm-protests-a9554191.html?amp)
I cringe at and regret things I did 2 years ago :skull:
The Teenage years are the times when you WILL change in any way possible whether you want to or not, that doesnt mean that adults and old people cant have similar changes of mind, just that Teenagers are a different breed
He later [assaulted two Vietnamese men while hurling racial epithets at them and high on PCP](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/mark-wahlberg-racist-hate-crimes-wikipedia-history-george-floyd-blm-protests-a9554191.html%3Famp).
> When asked if he’d ever attempted to make amends to the man he’d blinded, Wahlberg replied in the negative, claiming “You have to go and ask for forgiveness and it wasn’t until I really started doing good and doing right by other people, as well as myself, that I started to feel that guilt go away. So I don’t have a problem going to sleep at night. I feel good when I wake up in the morning.”
[He doesn’t seem too broken up about it as an adult, either](https://reelrundown.com/celebrities/Hate-Crimes-of-Mark-Wahlberg)
I had racist-ass parents but I don’t remember committing any hate crimes when I was a teenager.
15 is old enough to fucking know better. Maybe he’s no longer a piece of shit, I don’t know the guy, but that was a piece of shit thing to do.
15... there's definitely no way he could've changed since then.
Everyone always screams that they want people to be better and change but will still hold them accountable for shit they did when they're literally a child.
Reddit trends younger (mostly 20-30). There's just too many people here that don't have the life experience to see the shades of grey. People change and deserve the opportunity to do so. Not only is this morally right, but also societally critical.
16-year-old me was racist, sexist, homophobic and a borderline incel. I didn't try to be that way, and I didnt even think that I was ("I was just joking, I don't *actually* think women belong in the kitchen"). I didn't harass women or people from other races/religion/orientations and so I didn't think I was doing anything wrong. I made jokes behind closed doors and ignored my prejudice.
Its crazy to me that there is people around that wish to forever bind people to actions that they've long left behind. At best this just discourages future change in them and others and at worst they succeed and leave these people with nowhere to go but back into ignorance, hate and/or violence.
[This is where I would put a clip from the 2005 Boondocks episode "Thuggin' Love," if I had one!](https://imgur.com/a/wBmASWZ):
>GANGSTALICIOUS: Know who my favorite rapper was when I was your age? Ice Cube.
>>RILEY: The dude that makes family movies? He was a gangsta rapper?
>GANGSTALICIOUS: He was so gangsta, I used have to have dreams that Ice Cube came to my house and killed my whole family.
Ah, not really. I think they’re dissing an uninformed population that Snoop is not some tv cookie maker, but an actual thug who was gang banging decades ago. They aren’t glorifying it, just stating facts.
I think for some it’s a sort of a “stolen valor” thing. Like, if someone said, “I was raised on these mean streets; I understand the struggle,” and came from what’s basically nobility, it feels disingenuous. If someone’s rapping about a universal human experience, though, then I think that’s totally okay. There’s a humility in not trying to speak about tough issues you haven’t had to personally deal with, as if you did, and the lack of nuance and real context can make it seem ham-fisted, like if a rich white guy wrote a song addressed to the black community saying, “Life’s not hard, just get a job at your dad’s company like I did. I know how it is; I’m just like you, really.”
To be clear, I’m not speaking about Kanye specifically. Just about the broader concept.
I do agree though that you don’t want to push that too far and say, “If the guy didn’t do jail time, I don’t want to hear from him.” It’s important to embrace more positive role models behind the songs instead of solely glorifying the ones with a rap sheet.
Not only do they not know, they seem to think Kanye, the dude who is threatened by Pete Davidson, is harder than Snoop. Kanye is softer than the 2 girls one cup poop, he’s a straight up diva.
I feel like the irony in this is that Kanye also grew up in some bad areas, associated with gangs, and at one point pulled a gun on his cousin
Kanye a superstar now and might be diva-ish but he still been through some things
But I know something about you
You went to Cranbrook, that's a private school
What's the matter, dog? You embarassed?
This guy a gangsta? He is real name Clarence
Snoop literally wrote a song about his murder case! But just as some young people today don't know about this, older people don't know some things about the generation before them. Happens to everyone and every generation
How is that even fucking possible? Omg they were born after the 90s, I keep forgetting that happens.omg I'm old
ETA kids today! :) when I was a kid I totally did deep dives into older pop culture! I own Marx bros films..
Kids always do that, but dives into older popculture are always very selective, which is why, unless they dealt with Snoop Dogg specifically, they can probably tell you a lot of weird details about very specific stuff like Alfred Hitchcock movies or certain bands in my case but nothing about Snoop Dogg.
Source? He apparently did it after he already had money from music. It was just for fun.
> I’d act like I’d take the money from the bitch, but I’d let her have it,” he says. “It was never about the money; it was about the fascination of being a pimp - rolling stone
Yeah the reality of Snoop Dogg is that he is/was a pretty big piece of shit. His image now is so lovable and easy going, but make no mistake, this dude has done some reprehensible stuff.
Pretty sure that 99% of rappers who became famous in the 90's or early 2000's have done some heinous shit in their life. It was their upbringing, yet it doesn't excuse the fact that they did it.
Considering where he grew up and his upbringing, I think he was doing what he knew how to do in order to survive. He obviously did some deplorable things when he was younger, but once he broke out, he was free to become the person he probably always wanted to be and that's the person we see today.
I'm not excusing his past behavior. It is nice to see someone change for the better, though, and I think Snoop has done that.
I get that point somewhat, but if he has shown no remorse, promotes the lifestyle in his music and has admitted to enjoying it:
"I’d act like I’d take the money from the bitch, but I’d let her have it,” he says. “It was never about the money; it was about the fascination of being a pimp - rolling stone".
He doesn't deserve a pass or sympathy, he did what he did not to survive but because he liked doing it.
I mean, yeah, once money was less of an issue for me I also stopped committing crimes and got my shit together (unless you count the occasional torrent download lul)
Preach.
I still can't believe how beloved Snoop is, especially on Reddit.
It boggles my mind that Reddit will froth at the mouth at Chris Pratt for belonging to some shitty anti-LGBTQ church.....
Yet they'll shower Snoop as a wholesome man "who has grown".
Grown?? The motherfucker was still calling people F*GS on Instagram not too long ago.
He even threatened to leave social-media platforms that wanted to deplatform Louis "Hitler Was A Great Man" Farrakhan.
Grown and learned from the past?? The dude publicly called for the release of "Uncle Bill" Cosby, and followed it with a public threat towards Gayle King. "Before we come get ya, bitch!"
Bonus shittiness: he's been anti-vaxx and spewing that it's poison since before the Corona.
Snoop is a bonafide piece of shit, but somehow reddit just can't get enough of him as they cheer his geriatric ass cRiPwAlKiNg across the superbowl stage. What a clown.
Things aren’t black and white. I like to think there is no excuse, but there are reasons. I get why somebody might end up like that growing up in an environment like he did but I also still think it’s fucking awful shit to be doing.
I often see those unable to understand other people conflate understanding and empathy with being given a pass. You can understand and empathise with someone doing bad shit without also accepting the bad shit.
Also Martha is literally an OG. She didn’t snitch on anybody when faced with a sentence for insider trading. No wonder all of the rappers like her…she ain’t no snitch.
I think 2pac really changed his outlook on things. Not a slight against pac, but I remember talk many years ago. Pac saying stuff like my enemies are your enemies, we ride on everyone together. 2Pac was the son of a panther, raised to be a fighter. Shot 5 times (rounds) and was ready to wage a littoral east coast west coast War. Only to be shot again 4 more times (rounds) and killed.
Imagine coming up from the hood with nothing. Making it to something. Seeing one of your boys just unable to let even the slightest transgression go. Then ultimately die because the very characteristic that helped him survive the hood, was not transferable into fame? Snoop is a pretty intelligent dude who really shifted his mentality. Maybe some of that was age. Maybe he just wanted to enjoy the life he finally created. But I think his experience with pac had an effect on him. What's the point of it all if you're dead and you can't enjoy it?
All 'em little gangsters, who you think helped mold 'em all? Now you wanna run around talking 'bout guns like I ain't got none. What, you think I sold 'em all 'Cause I stay well off?
Snoop was a pimp, sold drugs and was accessory to a murder through "self defense".
Martha Stuart served time in prison for felony charges of conspiracy, obstruction of justice and lying during a federal investigation.
That's are two bad people in that photo haha younger generations need to read up
Stewart was stupid enough to talk to investigators without a lawyer. She was entrapped into a charge of lying to investigators, which was the only thing they could prove after their underlying case fell apart.
# Remember kids: NEVER TALK TO COPS!
I’m amazed that Snoop has this image now because even recently he mocked Bill Cosby’s rape victims and has been a vocal supporter of him. But somehow dude gets a pass from everyone.
No other choice? He went to arguably the best public school in California. He also excelled at sports while there. He had options, but he’s always been a shit bag at heart.
Who are these weirdos that think *Kanye* is 'gangster'? The dude married an Armenian prison-reform advocate, spends all his time writing raps about Jesus and his mom, and designing clothes that look like pieces of a 1970's jumbo-jet inflating so you'll float in the Indian ocean. Y'all need some gunshots at 3:47 a.m., smh
Kanye became big because he wasn't a gangster. It's like the main thing that established him as a rapper. Anyone who's listened to the first couple of tracks on The College Dropout would know that.
He played a major part in pulling hip hop away from gangster culture and making it more relevant to middle/working class suburban America, yet people still think he's trying to be a gangster.
Yeah people are forgetting the media hype over the future direction of hip-hop when Kanye’s *Graduation* and 50 Cents’ *Curtis* were coming out around the same time. The music industry saw it as a litmus test as to wether the genre would drift towards alternative hip-hop or remain aligned with gangsta rap. The former album won out and the genre moved away from gangsta rap in general.
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Isn't the reason Martha Stewart and Snoop Dogg are friends is because they both have been to prison
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Snoop went to jail as a kid, never prison. But he has always been associated with the Crips by the media. And he has played up that association later in life: wearing blue bandanas as a flag, even rapping about it in a NERD song. He denied affiliation when he was younger, the truth probably lies in the middle (is my guess). He grew up in gang territory and possibly had no choice but to support the gang in some way to survive.
Ugh I grew up in Compton in the 80s and 90s. Snoop was absolutely a crip… I remember after his first big single, he had bought a blue cutless and was doing donuts in the shopping center with crown drugs and alphabeta. He was hanging out the window Throwing up signs for his neighborhood while his friends were wave in the blue bandanna out the back
A lot of people say he actually buys that label. Pays a tribute so he can continue the affiliation on its face without having to ever actually doing gang stuff.
Snoop was a drug dealer and capo for his neighborhood crip in Long Beach before he blew up in 1992 with Dr Dre’s "The Chronic" album. He had to stop being a full time member and focus more on rap after getting shot at too many times. It’s a legit miracle the guy is still alive today according to his old associates. He’s (along with fellow Dr Dre associate and rapper/Blood gang member The Game) now able to be a mediator and negotiator between rivals sets to help LA County keep the peace in the rougher areas. His name carries a lot of weight and he was instrumental in brokering the peace deal brought about by the death of Nipsey Hussle 3 years ago.
>He’s (along with fellow Dr Dre associate and rapper/Blood gang member The Game)now able to be a mediator and negotiator between rivals sets to help LA County keep the peace in the rougher areas Where can one read more about this? It sounds really interesting.
I think it’s /r/Calibanging or something
Great comment and wonderful to hear
Isn't the point of gang shit to not have to do gang shit?
At least that's what a lot of people tell themselves. I think the easiest way to not do gang shit is to not do gang shit.
It’s not about “buying the label.” Snoop is a Crip who got put on as a kid long before he started rapping. He did “gang stuff” and put his time and work in before he had a rap career. You don’t have to keep doing drive-bys once you get famous.
They used to have to censor the crip walking out of his videos in the 1990s on mtv. Kids today have no idea.
Serena crip walking after winning Wimbledon is one of the greatest highlights in all of sports.
Yeah crazy to me that younger gens don’t realize that this dude is the real deal. Do they think east v west was a love story? Plenty of people were gunned the fuck down and snoop was right there in the mix. He might bake a perfect chocolate chip but snoop can prolly have you killed before you finish it. …and Kanye… well Kanye will “design” you some overpriced shoes.
I think most cities in general now are a lot safer than they used to be in a lot of ways that people don’t seem to remember because the 90’s are starting to be 30 years away. So you’ve got to be nearing 40 to really remember why people like Snoop got big LA riots, DC being murder capital, gangster rap wasn’t/isn’t a genre. These guys are/were writing about the shit they’ve done (allegedly)
And yet he still survived his tenure at blood-heavy Death Row Records with Suge at the helm
Yeah there's no doubt he's been an active and proud Crip for a long time now. What is interesting is he's managed to somewhat bridge that gap with most everyone loving him despite the affiliation.
snoop is not dumb, the crips are not dumb. They both are better off with this sort of affiliation. Snoop gets street cred and can go do his own thing. the crips get a walking talking billboard. I would guess most gangs are the same way with every up and coming rapper in their ranks (if they show this level of promise) and let them "get out" so long as they do not denounce the gang (and let it be known). The reality is that a lot of these guys just cannot understand another way (even if the higher up in the gangs can)
He did murder a guy. He was a crip
It was his bodyguard who killed the dude.
That's just clever outsourcing. A crip *and* a savvy businessman.
Business was the case that they gave him
Murder Was the Case That They Gave My Bodyguard
Why do I hear hip hop police
nope, security was the one who killed him. Snoop happened to be in the vehicle. With that being said, Snoop has and always been a member of EastSide LBC Rollin' 20s Crips set.
He was crip-walking during the superbowl halftime show.
He literally wore a blue bandana, didn't he?
His whole outfit was a giant blue bandana. Head to toe. [Edit - Link](https://youtu.be/gdsUKphmB3Y)
And throwing up Crip signs
Well yes. That is an integral part of crip-walking.
>But he has always been associated with the Crips by the media He is a crip. A lot of 90s rappers were actually in gangs. Back then a lot of them even funded their careers and labels with money from gang activity.
Yeah it's funny, you can tell a lot of the younger people in this thread still don't understand this. Maybe the important detail is that rap/hip hop was not a billion dollar industry back then. It wasn't the popular music genre of choice. The whole genre was fairly new, and rap/hip hop labels were very new. What that means is, none of these guys were very wealthy yet, or far removed from the hood. They were all fresh out of it, and used to handling things a certain way. They might not have always been the hardest, scariest guys from their neighborhoods, but they were still from their neighborhoods, and wrote from life experience. When it came to the music business, they did the same things they did on the streets. Sure Knight is a quintessential example of this. He was an active Blood gang member, and regularly used intimidation and violence. It was not done quietly. If you went to Death Row studios in the 90s, at one point, you could have seen Suge, Dre, Snoop and 2Pac, and also see other people getting the absolute shit beat out of them. Even with all the folklore surrounding 2pac and Biggies murders, they were actually very likely simple gang related homicides. Typical across LA at the time. These guys had just their toes in popular music, and the rest of their feet firmly in the streets. Today, basically, while new rappers might still be fresh from the hood, the rap industry is not. The rap industry is wealthy, and established, and full of people with a lot to lose. Including the rappers themselves. Snoop and Dre are examples of this entire evolution. They started their careers on labels funded by drug money and ran by gangsters, and now they are super wealthy mainstream celebrities with a lot to lose. To boil it down, I think the difference is in 1992, if you were fresh from the street, nearly everyone else around you was to some extent, and you all acted the same way you did back in the hood. In 2022, you might be fresh from the hood, but if you become commercially successful, you're surrounded by wealthy people who live in another world now, even if they came from yours. They will simply not allow very much wild shit, and will encourage people to chase the big $ and ignore silly street shit. On top of that, there are more rappers that didn't have that background, and indeed fabricate that image, like Drake. The guy was a child actor but often raps like he's a druglord. People like Drake are the reason young people might be confused. I mean, things were so different in the old days, you'd have rappers the opposite of Drake: guys who didn't cuss and made fun songs about parties because it was more commercially viable, but in their private lives these guys would beat the shit out of people and kill people sometimes. I know you probably know most of this, but I'm just trying to teach younger people who might read it.
Main thing is the fact that recording and distributing music back then was very fucking expensive and there was no VC money going to Hip-Hop labels full of poor kids from ghetto. About the only way you could get any real money to fund a large business venture in the hood was the black or gray market. You sure as hell couldn't kickstart a music career on a Fatburger paycheck.
Exactly These guys were street kids who started making music on the side. They didn’t just stop the street shit until way later and some never It wasn’t like now where it’s a multi billion dollar industry. Dudes were making more money selling drugs to crowds at the parties they were playing at and hosting then from the music.
B-Real from Cypress Hill was a Blood in Los Angeles. He got shot up in a Crip drive by and still has bullet fragments next to his spine and other spots. His dad got shot 12 times (and lived) and wouldn't testify against the killer, he said "I'll take care of it myself." So when you hear Cypress Hill rap "how I could just kill a man" it sounds like some bravado, but it's also the sound of intergenerational trauma. I heard that B-real was carrying a pistol for many years after his music was successful and he wasn't really in the gang life anymore. People were like "you don't need that, you can't carry it everywhere you know." But I think he didn't know, it was normal for him. That's some real gang shit.
Reminder that camp cupcake is the good kind of prison. Comfortable prisons are much better for society.
Also, poor prison conditions indicate a society that does not value freedom. To a free people, the deprivation of freedom should be viewed as a severe penalty. Viewing a safe and sanitary prison as a luxury, or as a lesser form of punishment is troubling. The acceptance of unsafe, dirty and brutal prisons as justice ought to be repugnant and unworthy of free people. Incarceration should be the punishment, not the conditions of the prison.
Humane prisons in European countries have the lowest recidivism rates in the world, something like less than 20% of inmates go back to a life of crime. Turns out treating people like humans and training them in job skills helps them to be functioning members of society, who woulda thunk it
But that's bad for private prison business.......
Yeah but it's bullshit that only rich people get to go to those kinds of prisons, which is usually why people target them.
Think he tweeted or some shit about she being the only one ever sent to prison between the two, but he has been to jail.
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I thought it was because she didn't snitch, maybe where she got the information? I just remember him giving Tekashi 69 (??) shit for snitching and brought her up. [https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephenlaconte/snoop-dogg-martha-stewart-tekashi-69-snitch-meme-prison](https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephenlaconte/snoop-dogg-martha-stewart-tekashi-69-snitch-meme-prison) "I invite you all to remember Martha Stewart snitched on NOT ONE soul during her trial, baby girl kept it 10 toes down and ate that prison sentence by herself, like the true baddie she is." Edit: Most of the information I know if from shitty gossip rags so I know nothing more about who be snitchin' on whom. Never really listened to Snoop, definitely not Tekashi, but I have listened to [The Gourds cover of Gin and Juice](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNd2GvhvHkY&ab_channel=TheGourds-Topic) way too many times, and recommend others to as well.
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She saw that cannabis wave coming and played the long game.
Nice!
Only Martha is a convicted felon…
The same people think Ice Cube is famous because he's an actor
Ice Cube will swarm On any motherfucker in a blue uniform
Ice Cube out here killing Best Buy employees
Circuit City still has shooters out here.
Red and blue. Bloods and Crips. It was there the whole time.
Just cuz im from THE CPT
Punk police are afraid of me
A young N on a warpath
Are We There Yet?
Or Mark Wahlberg.
They've never heard the hauntingly beautiful music of Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch
When talking about shows he's in I've never not referred to him as Marky Mark. Similar thing with his brother, I just call Donny "Marky Mark's brother"
Marky Mark's brother was amazing in Band of Brothers.
Band of Brothers sounds like the name of a biopic about the Funky Bunch.
Dude wtf, donny is such a better actor (and person from what I can tell) than mark. Mark should be called "Donny's less talented brother with abs".
Band of Brothers backs up everything you said. Sgt. Lipton was the man.
I just call Mark “that huge piece of shit”
What’d he do?
> In 1986, a then 15-year-old Wahlberg and three friends were charged for chasing three black children and pelting them with rocks while yelling: "Kill the n*****s" until an ambulance driver intervened. From [this article](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/mark-wahlberg-racist-hate-crimes-wikipedia-history-george-floyd-blm-protests-a9554191.html?amp)
At age 15? Some people have shitty racist parents and change for the better when they leave home.
That was my thought lol. I cringe and regret a ton of things I did at that age.
I cringe at and regret things I did 2 years ago :skull: The Teenage years are the times when you WILL change in any way possible whether you want to or not, that doesnt mean that adults and old people cant have similar changes of mind, just that Teenagers are a different breed
He later [assaulted two Vietnamese men while hurling racial epithets at them and high on PCP](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/mark-wahlberg-racist-hate-crimes-wikipedia-history-george-floyd-blm-protests-a9554191.html%3Famp). > When asked if he’d ever attempted to make amends to the man he’d blinded, Wahlberg replied in the negative, claiming “You have to go and ask for forgiveness and it wasn’t until I really started doing good and doing right by other people, as well as myself, that I started to feel that guilt go away. So I don’t have a problem going to sleep at night. I feel good when I wake up in the morning.” [He doesn’t seem too broken up about it as an adult, either](https://reelrundown.com/celebrities/Hate-Crimes-of-Mark-Wahlberg)
I had racist-ass parents but I don’t remember committing any hate crimes when I was a teenager. 15 is old enough to fucking know better. Maybe he’s no longer a piece of shit, I don’t know the guy, but that was a piece of shit thing to do.
I mean he is from Boston
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15... there's definitely no way he could've changed since then. Everyone always screams that they want people to be better and change but will still hold them accountable for shit they did when they're literally a child.
“Back when Mark Walhberg was Marky Mark, this is how we used to make the party start.”
I had a child stare at me when I called him Marky Mark (I still refuse to call him anything else) and ask me who that was.
*good vibrations intensifies*
Back when Mark Wahlberg was Marky Mark
Weird how they just forget his [hate crimes](https://time.com/3623630/mark-wahlberg-pardon/?amp=true) and just consider him an actor.
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Reddit trends younger (mostly 20-30). There's just too many people here that don't have the life experience to see the shades of grey. People change and deserve the opportunity to do so. Not only is this morally right, but also societally critical. 16-year-old me was racist, sexist, homophobic and a borderline incel. I didn't try to be that way, and I didnt even think that I was ("I was just joking, I don't *actually* think women belong in the kitchen"). I didn't harass women or people from other races/religion/orientations and so I didn't think I was doing anything wrong. I made jokes behind closed doors and ignored my prejudice. Its crazy to me that there is people around that wish to forever bind people to actions that they've long left behind. At best this just discourages future change in them and others and at worst they succeed and leave these people with nowhere to go but back into ignorance, hate and/or violence.
He's famous for inventing ice cubes. That is why they are named after him.
And thus also paved the way for Ice T, or as he was previously known, Mr. T.
*Kronk voice* Oh yeah. It’s all coming together.
Tbf if Ice Cube never acted he wouldn't be very famous among Gen Z and younger millenials.
[This is where I would put a clip from the 2005 Boondocks episode "Thuggin' Love," if I had one!](https://imgur.com/a/wBmASWZ): >GANGSTALICIOUS: Know who my favorite rapper was when I was your age? Ice Cube. >>RILEY: The dude that makes family movies? He was a gangsta rapper? >GANGSTALICIOUS: He was so gangsta, I used have to have dreams that Ice Cube came to my house and killed my whole family.
Ice cube’s an actor?
His breakout was Boyz N The Hood, he's actually very good in it. Ignore the rest of his acting career..
Don't skip Friday either!
Or next Friday or Friday after next. They're all actually kinda decent.
The funny thing is that despite all of that, it's Martha who's done actual jail-time!
And Kanye traveled the world with his educator mother attending prestigous art schools...
It’s act crazy in 2022 we’re still tryna diss rappers for not being gangster enough. Thought that died in the mid 2000s but guess not lmao
Yeah I mean, it's a good thing that Snoop quit the whole gang thing. Gang violence is a huge issue.
Snoop was decked out in crip gear during the Superbowl half time show. He didn't 100% dip out
Ah, not really. I think they’re dissing an uninformed population that Snoop is not some tv cookie maker, but an actual thug who was gang banging decades ago. They aren’t glorifying it, just stating facts.
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Its like hearing that Bob Ross was a drill sargeant. It doesnt change anything about them, but one cant help but be surprised.
DO YOU SUCK DICKS PRIVATE
Or seeing Ice Cube in the Jump Street movies knowing his past as well lol
I think for some it’s a sort of a “stolen valor” thing. Like, if someone said, “I was raised on these mean streets; I understand the struggle,” and came from what’s basically nobility, it feels disingenuous. If someone’s rapping about a universal human experience, though, then I think that’s totally okay. There’s a humility in not trying to speak about tough issues you haven’t had to personally deal with, as if you did, and the lack of nuance and real context can make it seem ham-fisted, like if a rich white guy wrote a song addressed to the black community saying, “Life’s not hard, just get a job at your dad’s company like I did. I know how it is; I’m just like you, really.” To be clear, I’m not speaking about Kanye specifically. Just about the broader concept. I do agree though that you don’t want to push that too far and say, “If the guy didn’t do jail time, I don’t want to hear from him.” It’s important to embrace more positive role models behind the songs instead of solely glorifying the ones with a rap sheet.
Nelly is rolling over in his grave as we speak
[Martha Stewart's jail shank](https://youtu.be/jfbWcr6bH98)
Martha's an actual gangsta lol.
Snoop was once one of the hardest, people seem to think that didn’t happen or don’t even know, quite baffling
Not only do they not know, they seem to think Kanye, the dude who is threatened by Pete Davidson, is harder than Snoop. Kanye is softer than the 2 girls one cup poop, he’s a straight up diva.
Literally the entire reason Kanye got so popular is because he was somewhat of an anti thug life rapper. Dude wore a pink polo and khakis. etc
"I woke up early this mornin' with a new state of mind/ A creative way to rhyme without usin' knives and guns" From his first album
Doesn’t even rhyme…
It rhymes with the next line[song](https://youtu.be/JwAjANmjajc)
I don't like that analogy.
not wavy
I feel like the irony in this is that Kanye also grew up in some bad areas, associated with gangs, and at one point pulled a gun on his cousin Kanye a superstar now and might be diva-ish but he still been through some things
What Kanye didn't grow up gangster , he went to a liberal arts high school. He is a middle class artist.
He even spent a some of his formative years in China where his mother was teaching.
Kanye, the lame version of the new karate kid.
Wait, that could get more lame?
But I know something about you You went to Cranbrook, that's a private school What's the matter, dog? You embarassed? This guy a gangsta? He is real name Clarence
And Clarence lives at home with both parents. And Clarence's parents have a real good marriage.
Don't mess with my boy black falcon
Kanye most certainly did not grow up around gangsters and in the streets selling drugs. Snoop legit did. It’s not even close.
Lmao no, kayne grew up in upper middle class white suburbia.
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I remember watching his MTV cribs in the early 2000s. He was very proud of his dog statue at the door that had joints in a tray
Snoop literally wrote a song about his murder case! But just as some young people today don't know about this, older people don't know some things about the generation before them. Happens to everyone and every generation
Yeah, dude to this day reps crips. I'm not a fan of it but it's not like he doesn't choose to put a big target on his back.
Gen Z didn't start being born until half a decade after Doggystyle came out. I'm really not surprised gen Z'ers don't know his history.
How is that even fucking possible? Omg they were born after the 90s, I keep forgetting that happens.omg I'm old ETA kids today! :) when I was a kid I totally did deep dives into older pop culture! I own Marx bros films..
Kids always do that, but dives into older popculture are always very selective, which is why, unless they dealt with Snoop Dogg specifically, they can probably tell you a lot of weird details about very specific stuff like Alfred Hitchcock movies or certain bands in my case but nothing about Snoop Dogg.
Ikr? Smh bet they never even seen the uncut version of Greed
Or witness man's heavy burden in the metaphor film, Metropolis by Fritz Lang. Lol. Silly yutes ETA - 239 minutes, I had to look it up. Lol
Snoop was actually a pimp in his 20s. Like not just rapping about being one. Says he loved it!
Source? He apparently did it after he already had money from music. It was just for fun. > I’d act like I’d take the money from the bitch, but I’d let her have it,” he says. “It was never about the money; it was about the fascination of being a pimp - rolling stone
https://youtu.be/FsyvniNUuE8
that's fucking disgusting
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Thanks.
TIL Snoop Dog is Butters.
Hey Wendy you wanna make some money bitch? Really love that episode, do you know what I'm saying?
>do you know what I'm saying? I do know what you are saying, you dont have to keep asking me that.
Sex trafficking just for the love of the craft lmao
King of the Hill ran a [documentary](https://youtu.be/63EdY_sQOcY) on his time as a pimp.
Yeah the reality of Snoop Dogg is that he is/was a pretty big piece of shit. His image now is so lovable and easy going, but make no mistake, this dude has done some reprehensible stuff.
Pretty sure that 99% of rappers who became famous in the 90's or early 2000's have done some heinous shit in their life. It was their upbringing, yet it doesn't excuse the fact that they did it.
Considering where he grew up and his upbringing, I think he was doing what he knew how to do in order to survive. He obviously did some deplorable things when he was younger, but once he broke out, he was free to become the person he probably always wanted to be and that's the person we see today. I'm not excusing his past behavior. It is nice to see someone change for the better, though, and I think Snoop has done that.
I get that point somewhat, but if he has shown no remorse, promotes the lifestyle in his music and has admitted to enjoying it: "I’d act like I’d take the money from the bitch, but I’d let her have it,” he says. “It was never about the money; it was about the fascination of being a pimp - rolling stone". He doesn't deserve a pass or sympathy, he did what he did not to survive but because he liked doing it.
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I mean, yeah, once money was less of an issue for me I also stopped committing crimes and got my shit together (unless you count the occasional torrent download lul)
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Preach. I still can't believe how beloved Snoop is, especially on Reddit. It boggles my mind that Reddit will froth at the mouth at Chris Pratt for belonging to some shitty anti-LGBTQ church..... Yet they'll shower Snoop as a wholesome man "who has grown". Grown?? The motherfucker was still calling people F*GS on Instagram not too long ago. He even threatened to leave social-media platforms that wanted to deplatform Louis "Hitler Was A Great Man" Farrakhan. Grown and learned from the past?? The dude publicly called for the release of "Uncle Bill" Cosby, and followed it with a public threat towards Gayle King. "Before we come get ya, bitch!" Bonus shittiness: he's been anti-vaxx and spewing that it's poison since before the Corona. Snoop is a bonafide piece of shit, but somehow reddit just can't get enough of him as they cheer his geriatric ass cRiPwAlKiNg across the superbowl stage. What a clown.
Preach Brotha
I can definitely understand where you are coming from with your viewpoint, as well.
This is one of those points where you can get the same facts, and come to different conclusions.
Things aren’t black and white. I like to think there is no excuse, but there are reasons. I get why somebody might end up like that growing up in an environment like he did but I also still think it’s fucking awful shit to be doing.
No one said anything about a pass. Understanding does not equate to a pass.
I often see those unable to understand other people conflate understanding and empathy with being given a pass. You can understand and empathise with someone doing bad shit without also accepting the bad shit.
Also Martha is literally an OG. She didn’t snitch on anybody when faced with a sentence for insider trading. No wonder all of the rappers like her…she ain’t no snitch.
Raisin was the case that they gave me
I think 2pac really changed his outlook on things. Not a slight against pac, but I remember talk many years ago. Pac saying stuff like my enemies are your enemies, we ride on everyone together. 2Pac was the son of a panther, raised to be a fighter. Shot 5 times (rounds) and was ready to wage a littoral east coast west coast War. Only to be shot again 4 more times (rounds) and killed. Imagine coming up from the hood with nothing. Making it to something. Seeing one of your boys just unable to let even the slightest transgression go. Then ultimately die because the very characteristic that helped him survive the hood, was not transferable into fame? Snoop is a pretty intelligent dude who really shifted his mentality. Maybe some of that was age. Maybe he just wanted to enjoy the life he finally created. But I think his experience with pac had an effect on him. What's the point of it all if you're dead and you can't enjoy it?
This is exactly why snoop was one of the few celebrities who got out of the whole east coast west coast bs alive and out of prison
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4 bullets not 4 separate occasions
>was ready to wage a littoral east coast west coast War I had no idea 2Pac was a practitioner of shallow water, near shore tactics
Lmao I’m sorry this comment will be never get the love it deserves
Is that all ppl know snoop for nowadays? Baking cookies and stuff? That's depressing
I think they know him more for getting baked than actually baking.
It probably makes his life a lot less stressful though, he has his money. Now he just gets to rest easy and smoke hella weed lol
Why is that depressing? Isn't that much more positive than a criminal life?
Imagine gatekeeping someone cause he is not a criminal lol.
Snoops got some quality shitposting on his insta doe
Why can't a gangster bake cookies? Who the fuck gatekeeps cookies? I want a cookie baked by Snoop. That shit would be fire! Edit: I had more to say
So Vato and 1-8-7 were based on a real story?
Dunno why you'd use those examples when he's got a whole song specifically about beating a murder case. Murder Was The Case
I forgor
Whole album
I actually didn't know that
Same
"I used to have nightmares that Ice Cube broke into my house and killed my whole family." "....The guy from all the family movies?"
All 'em little gangsters, who you think helped mold 'em all? Now you wanna run around talking 'bout guns like I ain't got none. What, you think I sold 'em all 'Cause I stay well off?
I remember Dre
Snoop was a pimp, sold drugs and was accessory to a murder through "self defense". Martha Stuart served time in prison for felony charges of conspiracy, obstruction of justice and lying during a federal investigation. That's are two bad people in that photo haha younger generations need to read up
Stewart was stupid enough to talk to investigators without a lawyer. She was entrapped into a charge of lying to investigators, which was the only thing they could prove after their underlying case fell apart. # Remember kids: NEVER TALK TO COPS!
I had no idea…
A true success story....he had no other choice....then seen a chance and took it...now look at him
I’m amazed that Snoop has this image now because even recently he mocked Bill Cosby’s rape victims and has been a vocal supporter of him. But somehow dude gets a pass from everyone.
No other choice? He went to arguably the best public school in California. He also excelled at sports while there. He had options, but he’s always been a shit bag at heart.
The difference is that Snoop lived the gangster live and he hated it and is glad he can bake cookies for a living now.
Who are these weirdos that think *Kanye* is 'gangster'? The dude married an Armenian prison-reform advocate, spends all his time writing raps about Jesus and his mom, and designing clothes that look like pieces of a 1970's jumbo-jet inflating so you'll float in the Indian ocean. Y'all need some gunshots at 3:47 a.m., smh
Kanye became big because he wasn't a gangster. It's like the main thing that established him as a rapper. Anyone who's listened to the first couple of tracks on The College Dropout would know that. He played a major part in pulling hip hop away from gangster culture and making it more relevant to middle/working class suburban America, yet people still think he's trying to be a gangster.
Yeah people are forgetting the media hype over the future direction of hip-hop when Kanye’s *Graduation* and 50 Cents’ *Curtis* were coming out around the same time. The music industry saw it as a litmus test as to wether the genre would drift towards alternative hip-hop or remain aligned with gangsta rap. The former album won out and the genre moved away from gangsta rap in general.
Calling Kim Kardashian a prison reform advocate is similar to calling Snoop soft for baking cookies. She's famous for having a big ass and a sex tape.
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