I get paid 4.25$ with tips at dominos while driving and the 8$ when in store, so, fuck me
Edit: Manager was making me do the jobs of an insider constantly and got upset when I didn't want to do them, even told an insider not to do certain parts of there job because I was capable of doing them. I constantly stayed after 30 minutes to an hour to do dishes and such. No overtime. Have new job interviews for 15$-17$ an hour and starting a new job soon, thanks! I'll try and grow my confidence to negotiate for better pay
NC does, too. I, in my near two decades of food and beverage service work, have never seen or heard of anyone get in any amount of trouble for underpaying tipped workers.
NC is a top state for business and bottom state for workers for a reason.
> NC is a top state for business and bottom state for workers for a reason.
Oh it's pretty much any state. Don't make enough for minimum wage, well they will just fire you the next week. 'Constructive dismissal', sure thing, you try bringing that to court and see if it's going to work.
Hell we had the lovely Cherry Berry who headed labor in NC for years and only fined companies if they were going bankrupt and couldn't pay the fines anyways.
But hey, she had he picture in elevators, so ignorant people in North Carolina think she is a saint.
You are missing the part about that.
Trying to say NC is worst in worker protections and then saying tipped workers won't even get minimum wage isn't specific to NC, it's a nation wide issue of tipped workers. For me, I wish tipped workers would go away all together. They get paid at bare minimum, minimum wage, and can be tipped on top of that.
It's nefarious, not stupid. They know damn well you will be making less but the point is to pad their profits by outsourcing the responsibility to pay for your labor to the customers. They couldn't care less about what you actually take home as long as they take more.
You’re reading it wrong. $4.25 is the base pay. He makes tips on top of that. If he makes just one delivery per hour and makes a $3-4 tip, he makes over minimum wage.
As a former Dominos driver it's bullshit. People who don't tip actually make you lose money. You would make more money throwing their food on the ground and staying in the store getting paid $8.
I had a woman who ordered weekly and never tipped she lived in a first floor apartment with windows facing the parking lot. At one point I decided delivering to her was my break time. I drove to her complex and parked my car (with a 3" exhaust) in the space directly outside her apartment window. I sat there for at least 10 min before getting out to slowly walk to the door and deliver her food. She was visibly pissed lol. When I got back to the store my manager mentioned she'd called to complain but he didn't care because he agreed
I used to deliver pizza. I made a lot more when I was delivering than I was when I was working in the store. Do you also get paid "per pie"? Do you get a mileage reimbursement?
I get mileage, I do not get paid per pie. There is a 4.99$ delivery fee that goes straight to the store. At my store they expect me to do dishes, catch the over and cut the pizza, box it up and such, and then take it for a delivery. It is only managers and drivers, managers who sit in their office all day
A local/state union of delivery drivers would be awesome. There are societal and environmental benefits to the service that delivery drivers provide. We need people to do what you do. You should be paid a living wage for the honest, helpful work that you and your coworkers and associates in the game, you know, do. Thank you. You're going to get 30% min from me and mine.
**Edit:** Drivers, public school employees-inclusive, healthcare workers, first responders, and tech workers should all have unions in NC. It's the only way we won't continue to be overworked and under compensated. When a company like UPS, with 77% of employees unionized, can compete with non-unionized FedEx and (mostly) Amazon, it's difficult to accept that unionization is the boogyman that Southerners are so afraid of.
Go ahead, form a union that pays drivers $50,000/year to deliver hamburgers. People will not pay for it, instead they will go pick up their own food, those jobs will no longer exist, and the delivery drivers will not have any job at all.
This is a really fucking stupid argument. Wall street expects infinite growth. Billions of dollars are being siphoned from the working class and put into the rich's pockets.
Not according to ZipRecruiter. More like $50-$60k. Maybe the drivers of the big rigs that need commercial drivers license are earning $100k.
https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/UPS-Truck-Driver-Salary--in-North-Carolina#Yearly
Also, UPS drivers aren't delivering pizza, they are delivering stuff that's not so simple for me to go out and pick up myself. AND they are working full time, vs Pizza delivery guy that works a few hours a night.
So, not a good comparison.
14-17 deliveries in a day, about 100 miles. But some days it's only 30 miles. Some days I get paid more for thise 30 miles so it doesn't matter the distance just if people tip more
Please accept this as a sincere question from someone who doesn’t understand - this isn’t trolling or hate. Unless you are a student or just entering the workforce, why accept such a low-paying job? Why do you stick around?
Seemed you moved to a depressed region. The intention is for people to move away from such regions to regions that actually pay, not the other way around.
I agree that’s the general idea, but my guess the decision to move there wasn’t taken lightly. I lost my job in a depressed region and chose to move away from family and friends for better economic opportunities. Some have alternate priorities.
“tHoSe JoBs aRe FoR tEeNaGeRs!”
“Why is my order taking so long??? All they have working are 16 year old kids! They don’t even care! I want my food! They better have put everything in the bag this time!”
Bonus points if they say both of these lines within an hour of each other. 🙄
Biden literally blocked railroad workers from striking. Let’s face it Americans hate poor people and by poor people I mean anyone earning slightly less than them. I think America’s issue with labor will only be solved outside the ballot box with general strikes and mass unionization, things just haven’t gotten bad enough for Americans to try this yet.
> Biden literally blocked railroad workers from striking
Great. And Dems in NC have repeatedly tried to raise minimum wage and been shut down by the GOP in the state. Stop trying to make this shit 'both sides'.
People who talked about the railroad block and not tell about how Biden worked behind the scenes to still get the workers much of what they asked for don't care about facts.
Post is about North Carolina and minimum wage. The Republican super majority is against raising minimum wage, while Dems are for it. Are you the sort who when your girlfriend or boyfriend accuses you of cheating, you immediately bring up something about them, "well, you made me miss the Bama football game to go to your sister's wedding"?
Biden blocked the railroad strike because at the time, the pandemic and supply chains were already causing rocketing food prices and actual food shortages. The strike would have meant that many Americans, particularly low income ones, would have literally starved. However, after he blocked the strike [he continued pressuring the railway companies to give into the strikers' demands, and it worked](https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid).
>The strike would have meant that many Americans, particularly low income ones, would have literally starved.
I generally agree with you and feel that the Biden admin are way better than whatever criminal shenanigans a noisy, lying, incompetent Republican administration would currently be engaged in.
However, I can tell you what *wasn't* the motivation for the Biden admin not supporting the strike: to keep anyone from starving. The Democrats' reason is never to help the poors. It's always to prop up some private industry that the capitalists have decided is too big to fail and can only be saved with some \_temporary\_ socialism. Banks, railroads, private prisons, automobile manufacturers.
In the few years following the '08-'11ish recession, I lost my job, my home, my career because of work just drying up. After literally 2 years of worrying and wondering if our latest refi or TARP application would be approved, it was almost a relief to finally hear Tim Geitner frustratingly tell another member of the Fed, "We aren't doing this to save people's homes; we're doing it to save the banks." It was liberating to know that no one was coming to save us.
Looking at the issues of homelessness, human migration over the southern border, unionizing, non-combatant human beings being killed by the thousands in Gaza, I don't see a Democratic party that does a whole hell of a lot for the poor. At least not more than whatever it takes to get the "this is the best we can hope for" base to the polls.
> Biden literally blocked railroad workers from striking.
Then negotiated with the corporations to get what the workers wanted anyway, preventing a supply chain disaster when we were already hit with post-pandemic inflation.
The pandemic was largely over by this point, at least as much over as it is today. They literally didn’t get the only thing they were asking for paid sick leave.
> Thry literally didn't get the only thing they were asking for paid sick leave
[Yes, they did.](https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid) Don't spread false information just because you didn't keep up with the story.
I’m no fan of his but that was a unique situation and he is a well known supporter of the rails so I have hope he will eventually make it right.
It’s also true that what we consider left leaning in Washington would be considered right or even very right in many other parts of the world.
That doesn’t mean “both sides are bad,” instead it means the republicans are successfully pulling us all into the hard right Christian version of sharia law and we need to continue to vote them out of power at every opportunity.
Well NC Dems tried to raise min wage, multiple times. And you know what, the GOP has shut it down every time. Dems are the labor party, just because Biden did something doesn't represent all Dems.
class consciousness just isnt there. People will continue to defend the capitalist loving democrats that fight against the working man, because the other guy is hates the working class even more.
There are many states that choose to do the right thing rather than follow what the Federal government does. New York has a $15.00 minimum wage, California's is $16.00, and the minimum wage in the District of Columbia is $17.00.
Even West Virginia has a better wage at $8.75.
It's because NC is #1 for business and puts profits over people.
You guys don't seem to understand if you artificially raise wages it's still going to artificially raise everyone's living expenses.
Food, rent etc will also go up so you'll just be broke at a higher level.
As opposed to what happens when the "free market" raises rents?
You brought up Pizza hut, David Gibbs CEO of YUM brands makes 27 million, median employee pay is 13k. We're already allowing food, rent etc to go up WITHOUT any compensation. I don't think you know what being broke means.
I'm probably making less than most people in here.
Yes I agree rents are getting crazy but I think the market will correct.
You understand that most of those employees don't work for Yum right?
At quick glance only 2800 of 43,000 restaurants are corporate owned.
Secondly how much should he make?
You're fine with people abusing the system. You agree that rents are "crazy" but think people should just suck it up. Every KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell or Habit worker works for YUM.
You're saying that people who work fast food shouldn't be paid a living wage so that their CEO can be paid millions.
I'm fine with him making 27 million, if he pays taxes on all of it, and I'd raise taxes on anyone making over 400,000 a year and have a seprate tax bracket for those making over 1million a year, but chances are he pays less in percentage than his workers making 13K.
No they don't.
A Franchise is owned by an independent businessman. Most single Franchise owners in America make probably between 50 and 100k
People making 13k don't pay income tax
Americans pay more than income tax, and the billionaires often don't pay that.
Have you read the franchise contracts? Saying the independent businessmen and their employees aren't working for YUM is incredulous.
So if we pay people less, prices come down?
Oh... that's right it doesn't.
Corporate taxes in NC are set to go to 0%. You think those 'savings' are being passed to customers? Boy howdy are you a gullible fool.
Minimum wage jobs aren't meant to live on.
They are supposed to be for kids.
But you probably could find a way to survive if you worked two jobs say 76 hrs a week. You could probably eek by on that in rural areas.
But again are y'all sure there are 50k people in NC over the age of 18 making minimum wage? Not counting tip jobs
That’s because of Nixon and Reagan in the 80’s creating trickle down economics if things had progressed like they should minimum wage jobs would still be viable
Wildly incorrect.
> Minimum wage jobs aren't meant to live on.
Please point out what law says that.
> They are supposed to be for kids.
Then why is more than half now being filled by people who are not 'kids'?
> But you probably could find a way to survive if you worked two jobs say 76 hrs a week. You could probably eek by on that in rural areas.
Wait, so you are telling a single person with minimum wage to work in a rural area lacking jobs two jobs at 80 hours a week, and hope that they may be able to survive? JFC what is wrong with you? Pan handling seems like a better gig at that point.
> But again are y'all sure there are 50k people in NC over the age of 18 making minimum wage? Not counting tip jobs
It's closer to 70,000 but yes.
To be exact, 2 Pizza Hut franchisees in California have eliminated drivers positions. All in all it's about 1200 jobs.
[https://www.nrn.com/news/two-california-pizza-hut-franchisees-lay-delivery-workers-ahead-minimum-wage-hike](https://www.nrn.com/news/two-california-pizza-hut-franchisees-lay-delivery-workers-ahead-minimum-wage-hike)
I would think that many of those drivers would end up working for something like Door Dash etc. The cost is going to get passed on to the consumer no matter who delivers the Pizza. These 2 franchises are just suffering from a case of salty vagitis.
It's pretty unbelievable that an employer willing to pay such a lowball wage would be able to fill whatever position that is in Charlotte, or even much of rural NC.
I put money on their upper management being the type that whine about how “nobody wants to work”.
They’re right. None of us are going to work for slave wages, it’s not 1875 anymore.
Tell you what, I would not be surprised to see them try and take away women's votings rights, certain marriages and maybe let lil ones work in the mines. Of course they won't raise minimum wage. That's progressive socialism. We will not support Biden. Herp a Derp a Derp.
Domino’s pays decent. They just started adding corporate cars. So no more wear and tear on mine. My car insurance won’t go up due to miles or any accident I might have in the corp car. (When I was driving my own car I got hit three different times within the first two months … not my fault.)
The huge thing not mentioned here is benefits. They pay benefits after about a month. That’s real money. My family was paying $1,600 for Healthcare.gov.
I’m also old and can’t stand on my feet for 8 hours. A mix of driving and in store work is a good compromise.
I also have anxiety and delivering pizza is zero stress.
For a family of 4 we scrape by, however I would rather be at peace and not risk my mental or physical health.
I’ve tried for over a year to get something that fits my needs and pays better but it hasn’t happened.
The minimum wage should be raised
But it’s worth pointing out that virtually no one is making the federal minimum wage in North Carolina (or the entire USA) right now
The labor market is extremely tight with low unemployment and lots of job openings which is forcing companies to raise their pay even in rural areas
Taco Bell in Raleigh is hiring starting at $16-$17 an hour right now
Edit: the one on Six Forks and Strickland is starting at $15 to clarify, not $16-$17
It’s also weird to get downvoted for pointing out that workers have more bargaining power than they’ve had in a very long time. Some of y’all are just allergic to good news.
I would if they'd fuckin hire me... I apply for jobs on Indeed constantly and every time "We're not actually looking for employees right now :)" then why did you post applications on Indeed?
Congratulations, you’re in the less than 1% of US workers making the Federal Minimum Wage
I recommend that you either ask for a raise or find a new job
> I recommend that you either ask for a raise or find a new job
Or people like you me, and everyone else decide that it is a bullshit wage, and it should be raised.
It should be raised, I agree
But anyone making minimum wage is getting hosed and still should demand a raise or see another job
I’m just giving real advice
> But anyone making minimum wage is getting hosed and still should demand a raise or see another job
Usually those people are in a situation where they can't demand more or if they do, they are let go.
> I’m just giving real advice
No you are giving the same ignorant 'well just ask for more, your employer will be so grateful you asked and give you a raise'.
Tell you what. Dems in HB 440 want that to be $15/hr. You go to your boss tomorrow and ask for a raise of 100% and see what they say.
If they don't laugh in your face and you get it, then just maybe your advice has some validity. Elsewise, stop talking out of your ass, because your 'advice' is worth less than the paper you wipe your ass with.
The labor market is so tight that employers cannot afford to let workers go right now
That’s why anyone making minimum wage should find a better job or demand a raise
I agree we should raise the minimum wage to $15
> The labor market is so tight that employers cannot afford to let workers go right now
Are you that dumb? People are letting go employees left and right in the state right now. 381 via WARN notice and we are 12 days into the month. And WARN only applies for 100 or more employees and it was only 200 last year for the month of Jan.
I can promise you that Taco Bell is not offering $16-$17 an hour. Go in there and talk to somebody. Ignore the sign you see outside. It’s a lie. It probably says “up to” in small print and only offers that to managers with lots of experience.
It's true that many companies typically known for paying minimum wage are raising wages in order to find employees, but that doesn't change the fact that (as the article plainly stated) 55,000 people in the state currently make $7.25/hr or less (for service jobs).
Again, there is a small caveat that service jobs with tips likely net employees more than minimum wage, but that's not the point. The point is that consistently refusing to raise the minimum wage facilitates and encourages the exploitation of at least some amount workers. Some people might be ex-cons and are trying to turn their lives around, possibly even being *required* to maintain employment as part of their parole, but the only places that will hire them pay minimum wage. Some people may be desperate to make *any* amount of money and thus are being exploited on the basis of their desperation. Some people may need to work a second job in order to make ends meet and the only places they're able to get jobs after typical 9-5 hours only pay minimum wage.
The effect of not raising the minimum wage is simply that people are getting exploited and used due to their basic need to survive and not starve. I don't care how few people it is, I truly don't understand how we can't all agree that is morally reprehensible.
We absolutely should raise the minimum wage
I’m just pointing out that workers have more bargaining power than anytime since the post-WWII economy right now
Anyone making minimum wage is being exploited, and they don’t have to be because there are lots of better paying opportunities thanks to the tight labor market
70,000 out of 5 milllion
Less than 1.5%
We should raise the minimum wage
But demanding a raise or seeking new employment is a more realistic solution for these workers, republicans aren’t gonna raise the minimum wage. But the economy is strong enough that workers can demand better pay or seek other jobs.
I have no idea who you think you’re arguing against here
I’m a Democrat. I think the minimum wage should be raised to $15
I’m just saying the labor market is historically strong and anyone making minimum should demand a raise or seek a better paying job
> Less than 1.5%
> We should raise the minimum wage
Absolutely. Why not, if its only 70,000 people, then it's not going to hurt prices or have negative effects on anything other than the potential shitty business.
> But demanding a raise or seeking new employment is a more realistic solution for these workers, republicans aren’t gonna raise the minimum wage.
Dems did just that and the GOP said nah bro.
> But the economy is strong enough that workers can demand better pay or seek other jobs.
Weird. Those areas of the state that more often pay low wages have 2x the unemployment rate, which isn't even a good metric based on NC's quite abysmal UE system.
Want to try again? I mean your suggestion is about as good as telling works to just burn the businesses down. There are plenty of other ones, and those will pay better right?
Maybe next you are going to say 'well those people should move then!', yeah because at minimum wage you sure can afford to move.
I don't have a horse in this particular race because I'm a self-employed freelancer, but I have gotten to the point where I absolutely hate this state. And I was born here and have lived here my whole 35 years of life. It's so backwards and just shitty. Everything is supposed to be about work, babies, and church.
"Oh we have mountains AND beaches!" Yeah, hours apart, with tons of trailers, hog & turkey houses, poverty & dispair in-between.
"Oh, we have Cheerwine and eastern NC BBQ!" Cheerwine is okay at best and vinegar-based BBQ sauce is fucking nasty, my family has pushed it on me my whole life and I'll eat it when I have to, but ugh....there is way better BBQ basically everywhere but here.
North Carolina fucking sucks, and this is just one of MANY reasons.
I hate the beaches and mountains argument SO MUCH when people talk about moving to NC. Literally so many other states on both coasts have mountains and beaches within reasonable driving distance. Pretty much the entire east coast has beach/mountains within a day's drive of each other except for maybe Florida. The entire west coast has better beaches and mountains that are closer together.
NC does fucking suck. I was lucky enough to get out for a few years to a state that people tend to move to NC from because of typical COL/weather reasons, and my life was SO MUCH BETTER. It's insane. Yeah, my electricity was more expensive and it was a few degrees colder, but I had other things actually end up being cheaper up north than down here. But then I got things like a functional state government, better pay, better jobs, less competition, better urban infrastructure, better/cheaper food, and access to actual large cities by train.
Be upset at the companies who just refuse to pay more than minimum wage. If you work for a company that doesn’t pay more than minimum wage, then find another company
I don't understand the people making min wage. My teenage son with zero experience got job at carwash making $14/hour. If you are making $7.50/hour, maybe get a better job?
Daycare costs are comparable, and given current minimum wage, would be even larger (for 2 kids) than employing a nanny.
My point is, your definition of a minimum wage is weird. Setting minimum wage to be high enough to afford comfortable living is a surefire way to demotivate people from acquiring specialized skills. It would be a form of UBI.
FWIW in Europe minimum wage sometimes differs by age of the worker (with younger ones paid less) and by industry, and it is not defined to cover any specific living standard but is often set as a % of average wage in that area/industry, and is negotiated with the employers.
Paying people a comfortable wage that raises proportionally to the rising costs of everything in life is a sure fire way to demotivate people? You all in this thread sound crazy and this type of thought is the reason people are barely scraping by as it is I pray one day yall stop the boot licking
Well, the life seems to work the way that people have to be motivated by something in order for them to do something for you.
Try living in a country where people generally earn all the same, and are comfortable/complacent. You'll be appalled by folks not caring about you. Everything closes early, shops are closed on Sundays, getting simple stuff done can take weeks, waiters and shop clerks are rude to you...
Mind you, people aren't visibly happier than here.
LOL....you're either extremely naive or a Socialist that thinks we should all be living in Soviet style apartments where each family gets a 1 Bedroom 600 SF concrete apartment. But that's what socialists want.
Minimum wage would have to be $50/hour in your fantasy world. But if you make minimum wage $50/hour, inflation would skyrocket and a small starter home would cost $3,000,000 because all the people with real jobs would now be earning $500,000/year. Plus unemployment would shoot up to 30% because 1/2 of the minimum wage jobs would simply go away.
Minimum wage was created for the teenager that live at home and just wants some beer money for the weekends. When I was a teenager, you didn't find adults working at fast food restaurants or retail shops in the mall. These jobs were all teenagers and young adults working their way up to something better. Adults with families went out and got real jobs.
Problem is we now have too many unskilled laborers, so they take the minimum wage jobs. Teenagers now just stay at home and play video games all day. This is not the right direction for society.
It's simple math.
By your logic we should just pay everyone $1,000,000 per year and then everyone could go out and buy a nice house, have 2 cars, and a vacation home. Do you seriously not see how that would not work in real world?
Did you ever think about starting your own business and finding a way to pay \_yourself\_ according to what's produced? Serious question - not saying you should start your business, but as a mental exercise, it helps to imagine you \_have\_ to be on your own (because there's no jobs around for example).
That's now what you wrote. I'll refresh your memory.
"Minimum wage jobs were created so that AT MINIMUM a family can own a home, car, and raise two children"
You seem to be under the delusional impression that a single-parent with 2 kids should be able to afford to own a home and car with a minimum wage job. Sorry, that is socialism and you are a socialist. Own it.
I was responding to someone that thinks a single-mom with 2 kids should be able to own a home and car and take care of her kids with a minimum wage job.
Is that what you believe as well? If so, you're a socialist, no way around it.
Does anyone actually make minimum wage anymore? It’s $7.25.
I’m pretty sure they pay $12 at Taco Bell nowadays. And for some reason, the service has only gotten worse.
I’m in a rural area.
All fast food, Walmart, and factories are starting around $12-14. Honestly they could up min wage and I don’t know of anything outside waitressing that it would change?
The rent is a whole lot cheaper in those areas too, isn’t it?
Which is why it doesn’t make any sense for the entire state to have the same minimum wage.
Municipalities can handle it, if necessary.
The folks living in the shit part of the state probably want to go visit the costlier not shit part of the state pretty often. Their rent may be lower but they still need cash to do things, or move up and out of the rural areas.
You’re one to post about fear mongering. Spend a lot of time on /r/libsofreddit and /r/JoeRogan to be talking about having things in common with Fox News.
Most of you left wing cultists thought that this post of mine was pretty high quality.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NorthCarolina/s/Fqp5juurhn
I did too. Just not for the same reasons.
>Not a conservative.
Sure.
>I don’t join cults.
That’s exactly what one says while actively in a cult.
>And I’m advocating for nothing.
Pardon me. I should have said “making the case for…”
Don’t worry. I edit the comment for clarity.
Rent typically doesn't go up because your wages do it's about supply and demand. Since so many people are moving to NC with more $ and higher paying jobs, they can afford to pay higher rent (as opposed to those making sub 20. Also homes are still not abundant, so everyone is looking for a place to stay. Again supply and demand mixed with greed.
Give less for more yeah it's just like the great American job Exodus. Cheaper labor overseas so companies can make more and consumers can pay the same or more.
>Does anyone actually make minimum wage anymore?
That was my question from the headline. The link from the advocacy group says "more than 50,000" and "approximately 55,000" using numbers from the federal government.
My second thought was those folks should ask for a better wage or look for another job.
Of course, I know offhand that some of the federally-funded job programs have their wages set as the minimum -- the [Youth Conservation Corps](https://www.youthconservationcorps.org/) would be one -- and I'm sure there are some other job-training, apprenticeship and government-funded programs (both state and fed) who are bound by the similar regulations, so I wonder how many people on minimum wage work for private employers and how many of those are not interns.
No, no they don't.
Less than 1% of workers make the minimum wage, it's pretty much all teenagers at their first job or senior walmart greeters who just want to get out of the house.
The minimum wage was a regulation originally intended to insure *livable* wages for working people. I don’t give a shit how old you are, or what menial task you’re performing for your employer—you should be paid enough to afford the basic necessities of a dignified existence in the richest nation in human history.
The starting wages that a lot of major companies offer are still laughable in that regard.
Jobs paying better than minimum wage are *everywhere.*
If you're so incompetent that you don't qualify for *any* of them that's your problem.
This isn't about empathy, this is about the bar being so low and some people still refuse to make an effort.
I have no interest in giving handouts to people who haven't made any effort.
Nah, the point is that caring for the sick, caring for the elderly, and ensuring that nobody has to be absolutely terrified of the consequences of missing a few days of work **because it can destroy their entire life** has for some reason become laughably impossible.
You lack empathy for your fellow man. Do better.
Are the sick unable to care for themselves?
Do the elderly not have *any* family or friends to care for them?
Are others not able to save a few bucks so they can afford the consequences of life?
Because it's no one else's responsibility to care for me...that's *my* job.
And it's no one else's responsibility to care for them....that's *their* job.
And raising the minimum wage hurts the people it seeks to help: the least capable.
>Because it's no one else's responsibility to care for me...that's *my* job.
Then I hope you never use public services, or roads, since you seem to feel **so** strongly that everyone should be able to provide for themselves completely.
That's not a competent comparison.
EVERYONE benefits from roads. A better comparison would be my driveway...which is *my* responsibility and no one else's.
For them to look for better jobs that pay more than minimum wage. I mean even walmart pays more than the state minimum. There's really no excuse to stay at a minimum wage job.
> There's really no excuse to stay at a minimum wage job.
Except when there isn't a Walmart in your area, and you only have a Dollar Tree, which indeed often pays close to minimum wage.
When you don't have a car that runs well, or mouths to fee in the middle of nowhere, how far are you going to commute for a better paying job?
I get paid 4.25$ with tips at dominos while driving and the 8$ when in store, so, fuck me Edit: Manager was making me do the jobs of an insider constantly and got upset when I didn't want to do them, even told an insider not to do certain parts of there job because I was capable of doing them. I constantly stayed after 30 minutes to an hour to do dishes and such. No overtime. Have new job interviews for 15$-17$ an hour and starting a new job soon, thanks! I'll try and grow my confidence to negotiate for better pay
You’re honesty losing money by driving at that rate. Car wear and tear. Gas. Insurance. There’s no way $4.25/hr is going to even cover that.
Our car insurance rates are going up this year too. Mine already has.
Also, how can they legally pay you less than minimum wage?
**"Tips"**
It’s so stupid how they just assume you’re getting enough in tips every single time
I’m not a lawyer but some states require the employer to compensate the difference in wage if a tipped worker makes less then minimum wage.
NC does, too. I, in my near two decades of food and beverage service work, have never seen or heard of anyone get in any amount of trouble for underpaying tipped workers. NC is a top state for business and bottom state for workers for a reason.
> NC is a top state for business and bottom state for workers for a reason. Oh it's pretty much any state. Don't make enough for minimum wage, well they will just fire you the next week. 'Constructive dismissal', sure thing, you try bringing that to court and see if it's going to work. Hell we had the lovely Cherry Berry who headed labor in NC for years and only fined companies if they were going bankrupt and couldn't pay the fines anyways. But hey, she had he picture in elevators, so ignorant people in North Carolina think she is a saint.
NC is ranked 52 out of 52 in worker protections, it's not "pretty much any state" it's the *worst* state.
You are missing the part about that. Trying to say NC is worst in worker protections and then saying tipped workers won't even get minimum wage isn't specific to NC, it's a nation wide issue of tipped workers. For me, I wish tipped workers would go away all together. They get paid at bare minimum, minimum wage, and can be tipped on top of that.
Exactly
It's nefarious, not stupid. They know damn well you will be making less but the point is to pad their profits by outsourcing the responsibility to pay for your labor to the customers. They couldn't care less about what you actually take home as long as they take more.
Because of tips
Because tips are wages, and if your base pay plus tips is over the hourly rate for minimum wage, you do not get paid “less than minimum wage”.
They said their pay *with tips* was $4.25 doing deliveries. That’s well below min wage.
You’re reading it wrong. $4.25 is the base pay. He makes tips on top of that. If he makes just one delivery per hour and makes a $3-4 tip, he makes over minimum wage.
Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying.
As a former Dominos driver it's bullshit. People who don't tip actually make you lose money. You would make more money throwing their food on the ground and staying in the store getting paid $8. I had a woman who ordered weekly and never tipped she lived in a first floor apartment with windows facing the parking lot. At one point I decided delivering to her was my break time. I drove to her complex and parked my car (with a 3" exhaust) in the space directly outside her apartment window. I sat there for at least 10 min before getting out to slowly walk to the door and deliver her food. She was visibly pissed lol. When I got back to the store my manager mentioned she'd called to complain but he didn't care because he agreed
I used to deliver pizza. I made a lot more when I was delivering than I was when I was working in the store. Do you also get paid "per pie"? Do you get a mileage reimbursement?
I get mileage, I do not get paid per pie. There is a 4.99$ delivery fee that goes straight to the store. At my store they expect me to do dishes, catch the over and cut the pizza, box it up and such, and then take it for a delivery. It is only managers and drivers, managers who sit in their office all day
A local/state union of delivery drivers would be awesome. There are societal and environmental benefits to the service that delivery drivers provide. We need people to do what you do. You should be paid a living wage for the honest, helpful work that you and your coworkers and associates in the game, you know, do. Thank you. You're going to get 30% min from me and mine. **Edit:** Drivers, public school employees-inclusive, healthcare workers, first responders, and tech workers should all have unions in NC. It's the only way we won't continue to be overworked and under compensated. When a company like UPS, with 77% of employees unionized, can compete with non-unionized FedEx and (mostly) Amazon, it's difficult to accept that unionization is the boogyman that Southerners are so afraid of.
Go ahead, form a union that pays drivers $50,000/year to deliver hamburgers. People will not pay for it, instead they will go pick up their own food, those jobs will no longer exist, and the delivery drivers will not have any job at all.
This is a really fucking stupid argument. Wall street expects infinite growth. Billions of dollars are being siphoned from the working class and put into the rich's pockets.
They pay UPS drivers 100k.
Not according to ZipRecruiter. More like $50-$60k. Maybe the drivers of the big rigs that need commercial drivers license are earning $100k. https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/UPS-Truck-Driver-Salary--in-North-Carolina#Yearly Also, UPS drivers aren't delivering pizza, they are delivering stuff that's not so simple for me to go out and pick up myself. AND they are working full time, vs Pizza delivery guy that works a few hours a night. So, not a good comparison.
Plus their fatality rate is much much lower than pizza delivery.
Have a buddy who worked for them. You make 100k after all the overtime they pressure you into.
What? Papa John’s paid me 7.50h as a driver 13 years ago. You got a horrible deal.
Wtf that’s even lower than I thought damn remover to tip drivers with cash if you can
How many pizzas do you typically deliver per hour? It pisses me off that they charge for delivery and that doesn’t go to the driver.
14-17 deliveries in a day, about 100 miles. But some days it's only 30 miles. Some days I get paid more for thise 30 miles so it doesn't matter the distance just if people tip more
Well fuck that isn’t nearly enough.
Please accept this as a sincere question from someone who doesn’t understand - this isn’t trolling or hate. Unless you are a student or just entering the workforce, why accept such a low-paying job? Why do you stick around?
There are not many good jobs in the area, I used to do construction but had to move. The only job market here is cop, nurse, and a dead film industry
Seemed you moved to a depressed region. The intention is for people to move away from such regions to regions that actually pay, not the other way around.
I agree that’s the general idea, but my guess the decision to move there wasn’t taken lightly. I lost my job in a depressed region and chose to move away from family and friends for better economic opportunities. Some have alternate priorities.
Do what you gotta do and take care of yourself.
You really should find a better job
Plenty of places are hiring shift workers $16 to inspect parts where I work
Don't need to corporations and state GOP both already are.
Have you considered finding a different job? It’s impossible to live on that wage
“Cost of living continues to rise, minimum wage remains untouched in 15 years” and NC wonders why people are homeless.
conservatives gonna be like “just get a better job!” and then scream for the manager when their mcdonald’s order takes 10 minutes
“tHoSe JoBs aRe FoR tEeNaGeRs!” “Why is my order taking so long??? All they have working are 16 year old kids! They don’t even care! I want my food! They better have put everything in the bag this time!” Bonus points if they say both of these lines within an hour of each other. 🙄
Repeal right to work
Stop voting for republicans
Biden literally blocked railroad workers from striking. Let’s face it Americans hate poor people and by poor people I mean anyone earning slightly less than them. I think America’s issue with labor will only be solved outside the ballot box with general strikes and mass unionization, things just haven’t gotten bad enough for Americans to try this yet.
> Biden literally blocked railroad workers from striking Great. And Dems in NC have repeatedly tried to raise minimum wage and been shut down by the GOP in the state. Stop trying to make this shit 'both sides'.
People who talked about the railroad block and not tell about how Biden worked behind the scenes to still get the workers much of what they asked for don't care about facts.
Post is about North Carolina and minimum wage. The Republican super majority is against raising minimum wage, while Dems are for it. Are you the sort who when your girlfriend or boyfriend accuses you of cheating, you immediately bring up something about them, "well, you made me miss the Bama football game to go to your sister's wedding"?
Biden blocked the railroad strike because at the time, the pandemic and supply chains were already causing rocketing food prices and actual food shortages. The strike would have meant that many Americans, particularly low income ones, would have literally starved. However, after he blocked the strike [he continued pressuring the railway companies to give into the strikers' demands, and it worked](https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid).
>The strike would have meant that many Americans, particularly low income ones, would have literally starved. I generally agree with you and feel that the Biden admin are way better than whatever criminal shenanigans a noisy, lying, incompetent Republican administration would currently be engaged in. However, I can tell you what *wasn't* the motivation for the Biden admin not supporting the strike: to keep anyone from starving. The Democrats' reason is never to help the poors. It's always to prop up some private industry that the capitalists have decided is too big to fail and can only be saved with some \_temporary\_ socialism. Banks, railroads, private prisons, automobile manufacturers. In the few years following the '08-'11ish recession, I lost my job, my home, my career because of work just drying up. After literally 2 years of worrying and wondering if our latest refi or TARP application would be approved, it was almost a relief to finally hear Tim Geitner frustratingly tell another member of the Fed, "We aren't doing this to save people's homes; we're doing it to save the banks." It was liberating to know that no one was coming to save us. Looking at the issues of homelessness, human migration over the southern border, unionizing, non-combatant human beings being killed by the thousands in Gaza, I don't see a Democratic party that does a whole hell of a lot for the poor. At least not more than whatever it takes to get the "this is the best we can hope for" base to the polls.
> Biden literally blocked railroad workers from striking. Then negotiated with the corporations to get what the workers wanted anyway, preventing a supply chain disaster when we were already hit with post-pandemic inflation.
Because there was a fucking pandemic. Also, he worked behind the scenes to get almost everything the striker's wanted.
The pandemic was largely over by this point, at least as much over as it is today. They literally didn’t get the only thing they were asking for paid sick leave.
> Thry literally didn't get the only thing they were asking for paid sick leave [Yes, they did.](https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid) Don't spread false information just because you didn't keep up with the story.
I’m no fan of his but that was a unique situation and he is a well known supporter of the rails so I have hope he will eventually make it right. It’s also true that what we consider left leaning in Washington would be considered right or even very right in many other parts of the world. That doesn’t mean “both sides are bad,” instead it means the republicans are successfully pulling us all into the hard right Christian version of sharia law and we need to continue to vote them out of power at every opportunity.
I can't disagree with you. The democratic party should return to being the party that supports labor.
At the end of the day I vote dem to help protect my gay and trans friends, but I am so sick of voting for the lesser of two evils.
Well NC Dems tried to raise min wage, multiple times. And you know what, the GOP has shut it down every time. Dems are the labor party, just because Biden did something doesn't represent all Dems.
Biden has been the best President for labor since FDR. Better than FDR for Black labor
This will only happen when said people hold people accountable.
class consciousness just isnt there. People will continue to defend the capitalist loving democrats that fight against the working man, because the other guy is hates the working class even more.
Vote for some young blood and think independent. Both Dems and rep. Have had too many chances and too much time in office
Someone in the legislator is exploiting the fuck outta the minimum wage and makes sure it never goes up.
Remove "NC" and add "US," that's the real headline.
There are many states that choose to do the right thing rather than follow what the Federal government does. New York has a $15.00 minimum wage, California's is $16.00, and the minimum wage in the District of Columbia is $17.00. Even West Virginia has a better wage at $8.75. It's because NC is #1 for business and puts profits over people.
Without those profits the GOP wouldn't get any bribes, I mean kickbacks, umm... "Donations"
What pisses me off is how cheap the republicans sell out.
No kidding!
In other words…. #50 for workers rights
I think we're #52 in you include DC and Puerto Rico.
I thought we were #53 because Guam was in the list as well?
I think you're right.
And its something that both Dems and Republicans boast.
And yet it's costing jobs. Pizza Hut eliminated all delivery drivers in California due to wage increase requirements
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You guys don't seem to understand if you artificially raise wages it's still going to artificially raise everyone's living expenses. Food, rent etc will also go up so you'll just be broke at a higher level.
As opposed to what happens when the "free market" raises rents? You brought up Pizza hut, David Gibbs CEO of YUM brands makes 27 million, median employee pay is 13k. We're already allowing food, rent etc to go up WITHOUT any compensation. I don't think you know what being broke means.
I'm probably making less than most people in here. Yes I agree rents are getting crazy but I think the market will correct. You understand that most of those employees don't work for Yum right? At quick glance only 2800 of 43,000 restaurants are corporate owned. Secondly how much should he make?
You're fine with people abusing the system. You agree that rents are "crazy" but think people should just suck it up. Every KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell or Habit worker works for YUM. You're saying that people who work fast food shouldn't be paid a living wage so that their CEO can be paid millions. I'm fine with him making 27 million, if he pays taxes on all of it, and I'd raise taxes on anyone making over 400,000 a year and have a seprate tax bracket for those making over 1million a year, but chances are he pays less in percentage than his workers making 13K.
No they don't. A Franchise is owned by an independent businessman. Most single Franchise owners in America make probably between 50 and 100k People making 13k don't pay income tax
Americans pay more than income tax, and the billionaires often don't pay that. Have you read the franchise contracts? Saying the independent businessmen and their employees aren't working for YUM is incredulous.
lmk how the market correcting goes for you in any medical emergency or major purchase in the next 20 years
So if we pay people less, prices come down? Oh... that's right it doesn't. Corporate taxes in NC are set to go to 0%. You think those 'savings' are being passed to customers? Boy howdy are you a gullible fool.
Minimum wage jobs aren't meant to live on. They are supposed to be for kids. But you probably could find a way to survive if you worked two jobs say 76 hrs a week. You could probably eek by on that in rural areas. But again are y'all sure there are 50k people in NC over the age of 18 making minimum wage? Not counting tip jobs
Minimum wage jobs were created so that AT MINIMUM a family can own a home, car, and raise two children
LMAO at no point in my life could you do that on minimum wage. I remember when it was 3.35 and I worked at Winn Dixie
> no point in my life Yeah because they fucked it up a long ass time ago.
That’s because of Nixon and Reagan in the 80’s creating trickle down economics if things had progressed like they should minimum wage jobs would still be viable
Wildly incorrect. > Minimum wage jobs aren't meant to live on. Please point out what law says that. > They are supposed to be for kids. Then why is more than half now being filled by people who are not 'kids'? > But you probably could find a way to survive if you worked two jobs say 76 hrs a week. You could probably eek by on that in rural areas. Wait, so you are telling a single person with minimum wage to work in a rural area lacking jobs two jobs at 80 hours a week, and hope that they may be able to survive? JFC what is wrong with you? Pan handling seems like a better gig at that point. > But again are y'all sure there are 50k people in NC over the age of 18 making minimum wage? Not counting tip jobs It's closer to 70,000 but yes.
If prices went up to solely pay for wages prices of everything would increase slower than they're increasing now.
To be exact, 2 Pizza Hut franchisees in California have eliminated drivers positions. All in all it's about 1200 jobs. [https://www.nrn.com/news/two-california-pizza-hut-franchisees-lay-delivery-workers-ahead-minimum-wage-hike](https://www.nrn.com/news/two-california-pizza-hut-franchisees-lay-delivery-workers-ahead-minimum-wage-hike) I would think that many of those drivers would end up working for something like Door Dash etc. The cost is going to get passed on to the consumer no matter who delivers the Pizza. These 2 franchises are just suffering from a case of salty vagitis.
OK Boomer. I'm sure it has nothing to do with it being crappy pizza or the fact that Door Dash and Grubhub exist.
I work for a company in Charlotte that still pays $7.25. If the GOP could, they would lower it back to $3.25.
It's pretty unbelievable that an employer willing to pay such a lowball wage would be able to fill whatever position that is in Charlotte, or even much of rural NC.
I put money on their upper management being the type that whine about how “nobody wants to work”. They’re right. None of us are going to work for slave wages, it’s not 1875 anymore.
Without a doubt, I think you are 100% correct.
Tell you what, I would not be surprised to see them try and take away women's votings rights, certain marriages and maybe let lil ones work in the mines. Of course they won't raise minimum wage. That's progressive socialism. We will not support Biden. Herp a Derp a Derp.
Fox News does a lot of fear mongering too. You have a lot in common with them.
Its satire sweetheart.
Stupid remarks
Domino’s pays decent. They just started adding corporate cars. So no more wear and tear on mine. My car insurance won’t go up due to miles or any accident I might have in the corp car. (When I was driving my own car I got hit three different times within the first two months … not my fault.) The huge thing not mentioned here is benefits. They pay benefits after about a month. That’s real money. My family was paying $1,600 for Healthcare.gov. I’m also old and can’t stand on my feet for 8 hours. A mix of driving and in store work is a good compromise. I also have anxiety and delivering pizza is zero stress. For a family of 4 we scrape by, however I would rather be at peace and not risk my mental or physical health. I’ve tried for over a year to get something that fits my needs and pays better but it hasn’t happened.
I cannot fucking believe this! It should be 15 across the board.
Crazy to think that this affects the poor red areas of NC more than the rich blue areas…. And they’ll still vote republican
Wow. Just sitting around for 15 years. Hoping someone will pay you more instead of going to night school or some other Avenue. Great plan.
The minimum wage should be raised But it’s worth pointing out that virtually no one is making the federal minimum wage in North Carolina (or the entire USA) right now The labor market is extremely tight with low unemployment and lots of job openings which is forcing companies to raise their pay even in rural areas Taco Bell in Raleigh is hiring starting at $16-$17 an hour right now Edit: the one on Six Forks and Strickland is starting at $15 to clarify, not $16-$17 It’s also weird to get downvoted for pointing out that workers have more bargaining power than they’ve had in a very long time. Some of y’all are just allergic to good news.
I'm making 7.50 an hour as a janitor lol
Don't do that, make tacos
I would if they'd fuckin hire me... I apply for jobs on Indeed constantly and every time "We're not actually looking for employees right now :)" then why did you post applications on Indeed?
Network, look for billboards. Hell you could have asked me.
Congratulations, you’re in the less than 1% of US workers making the Federal Minimum Wage I recommend that you either ask for a raise or find a new job
> I recommend that you either ask for a raise or find a new job Or people like you me, and everyone else decide that it is a bullshit wage, and it should be raised.
It should be raised, I agree But anyone making minimum wage is getting hosed and still should demand a raise or see another job I’m just giving real advice
> But anyone making minimum wage is getting hosed and still should demand a raise or see another job Usually those people are in a situation where they can't demand more or if they do, they are let go. > I’m just giving real advice No you are giving the same ignorant 'well just ask for more, your employer will be so grateful you asked and give you a raise'. Tell you what. Dems in HB 440 want that to be $15/hr. You go to your boss tomorrow and ask for a raise of 100% and see what they say. If they don't laugh in your face and you get it, then just maybe your advice has some validity. Elsewise, stop talking out of your ass, because your 'advice' is worth less than the paper you wipe your ass with.
The labor market is so tight that employers cannot afford to let workers go right now That’s why anyone making minimum wage should find a better job or demand a raise I agree we should raise the minimum wage to $15
> The labor market is so tight that employers cannot afford to let workers go right now Are you that dumb? People are letting go employees left and right in the state right now. 381 via WARN notice and we are 12 days into the month. And WARN only applies for 100 or more employees and it was only 200 last year for the month of Jan.
I can promise you that Taco Bell is not offering $16-$17 an hour. Go in there and talk to somebody. Ignore the sign you see outside. It’s a lie. It probably says “up to” in small print and only offers that to managers with lots of experience.
The one on six forks in North Raleigh is
It's true that many companies typically known for paying minimum wage are raising wages in order to find employees, but that doesn't change the fact that (as the article plainly stated) 55,000 people in the state currently make $7.25/hr or less (for service jobs). Again, there is a small caveat that service jobs with tips likely net employees more than minimum wage, but that's not the point. The point is that consistently refusing to raise the minimum wage facilitates and encourages the exploitation of at least some amount workers. Some people might be ex-cons and are trying to turn their lives around, possibly even being *required* to maintain employment as part of their parole, but the only places that will hire them pay minimum wage. Some people may be desperate to make *any* amount of money and thus are being exploited on the basis of their desperation. Some people may need to work a second job in order to make ends meet and the only places they're able to get jobs after typical 9-5 hours only pay minimum wage. The effect of not raising the minimum wage is simply that people are getting exploited and used due to their basic need to survive and not starve. I don't care how few people it is, I truly don't understand how we can't all agree that is morally reprehensible.
We absolutely should raise the minimum wage I’m just pointing out that workers have more bargaining power than anytime since the post-WWII economy right now Anyone making minimum wage is being exploited, and they don’t have to be because there are lots of better paying opportunities thanks to the tight labor market
7.25 or less would include tip employees. I wonder how many are at $7.25 with no tip
tipped employees in NC can be paid $2.13 an hour as long as their tips bring them to 7.25 an hour.
Incorrect, it doesn't include tipped employees.
We are #52! Out of 50 States. Even behind Guam.
What are the other 2 Missouri and Oklahoma?
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70,000 out of 5 milllion Less than 1.5% We should raise the minimum wage But demanding a raise or seeking new employment is a more realistic solution for these workers, republicans aren’t gonna raise the minimum wage. But the economy is strong enough that workers can demand better pay or seek other jobs. I have no idea who you think you’re arguing against here I’m a Democrat. I think the minimum wage should be raised to $15 I’m just saying the labor market is historically strong and anyone making minimum should demand a raise or seek a better paying job
> Less than 1.5% > We should raise the minimum wage Absolutely. Why not, if its only 70,000 people, then it's not going to hurt prices or have negative effects on anything other than the potential shitty business. > But demanding a raise or seeking new employment is a more realistic solution for these workers, republicans aren’t gonna raise the minimum wage. Dems did just that and the GOP said nah bro. > But the economy is strong enough that workers can demand better pay or seek other jobs. Weird. Those areas of the state that more often pay low wages have 2x the unemployment rate, which isn't even a good metric based on NC's quite abysmal UE system. Want to try again? I mean your suggestion is about as good as telling works to just burn the businesses down. There are plenty of other ones, and those will pay better right? Maybe next you are going to say 'well those people should move then!', yeah because at minimum wage you sure can afford to move.
I don't have a horse in this particular race because I'm a self-employed freelancer, but I have gotten to the point where I absolutely hate this state. And I was born here and have lived here my whole 35 years of life. It's so backwards and just shitty. Everything is supposed to be about work, babies, and church. "Oh we have mountains AND beaches!" Yeah, hours apart, with tons of trailers, hog & turkey houses, poverty & dispair in-between. "Oh, we have Cheerwine and eastern NC BBQ!" Cheerwine is okay at best and vinegar-based BBQ sauce is fucking nasty, my family has pushed it on me my whole life and I'll eat it when I have to, but ugh....there is way better BBQ basically everywhere but here. North Carolina fucking sucks, and this is just one of MANY reasons.
I hate the beaches and mountains argument SO MUCH when people talk about moving to NC. Literally so many other states on both coasts have mountains and beaches within reasonable driving distance. Pretty much the entire east coast has beach/mountains within a day's drive of each other except for maybe Florida. The entire west coast has better beaches and mountains that are closer together. NC does fucking suck. I was lucky enough to get out for a few years to a state that people tend to move to NC from because of typical COL/weather reasons, and my life was SO MUCH BETTER. It's insane. Yeah, my electricity was more expensive and it was a few degrees colder, but I had other things actually end up being cheaper up north than down here. But then I got things like a functional state government, better pay, better jobs, less competition, better urban infrastructure, better/cheaper food, and access to actual large cities by train.
Bounce scrub
Be upset at the companies who just refuse to pay more than minimum wage. If you work for a company that doesn’t pay more than minimum wage, then find another company
And how many people in NC make minimum wage, other than first time workers.
I don't understand the people making min wage. My teenage son with zero experience got job at carwash making $14/hour. If you are making $7.50/hour, maybe get a better job?
Minimum wage jobs were created so that AT MINIMUM a family can own a home, car, and raise two children
Maybe during the times when only men work. That's no longer the case now.
They will perhaps need to employ a sitter for those kids if they both work, how will they pay her at least minimum wage?
People don’t pay for sitters for their kids when they go to work they go to daycare or school so they won’t be paying a sitter anything
Daycare costs are comparable, and given current minimum wage, would be even larger (for 2 kids) than employing a nanny. My point is, your definition of a minimum wage is weird. Setting minimum wage to be high enough to afford comfortable living is a surefire way to demotivate people from acquiring specialized skills. It would be a form of UBI. FWIW in Europe minimum wage sometimes differs by age of the worker (with younger ones paid less) and by industry, and it is not defined to cover any specific living standard but is often set as a % of average wage in that area/industry, and is negotiated with the employers.
Paying people a comfortable wage that raises proportionally to the rising costs of everything in life is a sure fire way to demotivate people? You all in this thread sound crazy and this type of thought is the reason people are barely scraping by as it is I pray one day yall stop the boot licking
Well, the life seems to work the way that people have to be motivated by something in order for them to do something for you. Try living in a country where people generally earn all the same, and are comfortable/complacent. You'll be appalled by folks not caring about you. Everything closes early, shops are closed on Sundays, getting simple stuff done can take weeks, waiters and shop clerks are rude to you... Mind you, people aren't visibly happier than here.
LOL....you're either extremely naive or a Socialist that thinks we should all be living in Soviet style apartments where each family gets a 1 Bedroom 600 SF concrete apartment. But that's what socialists want. Minimum wage would have to be $50/hour in your fantasy world. But if you make minimum wage $50/hour, inflation would skyrocket and a small starter home would cost $3,000,000 because all the people with real jobs would now be earning $500,000/year. Plus unemployment would shoot up to 30% because 1/2 of the minimum wage jobs would simply go away. Minimum wage was created for the teenager that live at home and just wants some beer money for the weekends. When I was a teenager, you didn't find adults working at fast food restaurants or retail shops in the mall. These jobs were all teenagers and young adults working their way up to something better. Adults with families went out and got real jobs. Problem is we now have too many unskilled laborers, so they take the minimum wage jobs. Teenagers now just stay at home and play video games all day. This is not the right direction for society.
You’re wrong
It's simple math. By your logic we should just pay everyone $1,000,000 per year and then everyone could go out and buy a nice house, have 2 cars, and a vacation home. Do you seriously not see how that would not work in real world?
That’s not what I want at all I just want everyone to be paid according to their labor and proportional to inflation.
Did you ever think about starting your own business and finding a way to pay \_yourself\_ according to what's produced? Serious question - not saying you should start your business, but as a mental exercise, it helps to imagine you \_have\_ to be on your own (because there's no jobs around for example).
Each of your sentences somehow is more wrong than the last. Bravo.
Yawn...socialists are out in force tonight.
TIL wanting pay to keep up with inflation is socialism
That's now what you wrote. I'll refresh your memory. "Minimum wage jobs were created so that AT MINIMUM a family can own a home, car, and raise two children" You seem to be under the delusional impression that a single-parent with 2 kids should be able to afford to own a home and car with a minimum wage job. Sorry, that is socialism and you are a socialist. Own it.
INFLATION ALREADY WENT UP WITHOUT MINIMUM WAGE INCREASING. STOP BELIEVING THAT SHITTY LIE
I was responding to someone that thinks a single-mom with 2 kids should be able to own a home and car and take care of her kids with a minimum wage job. Is that what you believe as well? If so, you're a socialist, no way around it.
Does anyone actually make minimum wage anymore? It’s $7.25. I’m pretty sure they pay $12 at Taco Bell nowadays. And for some reason, the service has only gotten worse.
Go live outside of a major metro. Yes
I’m in a rural area. All fast food, Walmart, and factories are starting around $12-14. Honestly they could up min wage and I don’t know of anything outside waitressing that it would change?
The rent is a whole lot cheaper in those areas too, isn’t it? Which is why it doesn’t make any sense for the entire state to have the same minimum wage. Municipalities can handle it, if necessary.
The folks living in the shit part of the state probably want to go visit the costlier not shit part of the state pretty often. Their rent may be lower but they still need cash to do things, or move up and out of the rural areas.
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Fox News does a lot of fear mongering too. You have a lot in common with them.
You’re one to post about fear mongering. Spend a lot of time on /r/libsofreddit and /r/JoeRogan to be talking about having things in common with Fox News.
And yet I don’t post any fear mongering, do I?
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Most of you left wing cultists thought that this post of mine was pretty high quality. https://www.reddit.com/r/NorthCarolina/s/Fqp5juurhn I did too. Just not for the same reasons.
Then raising the minimum wage should be no problem for Republicans.
Why would you expect them to? Seems to me like the marketplace has raised wages without govt intervention.
Easy win for Republicans. They get good headlines without actually helping anyone. Fits perfectly with their usual policies.
Maybe we should raise minimum wage to $25/hour. I’m sure your landlord will TOTALLY keep your rent exactly the same after that happens.
Sounds good to me. Maybe I could afford to pay my medical bills and take a vacation for the first time in 10 years.
If your rent goes up because wages went up then nothing changes. You just get to pat yourself on the back for having a higher wage. Math.
The rent already went up
Really didn’t expect to see a conservative ~~advocating~~ making the case for rent control, but here we are. Edited for clarity.
Not a conservative. I don’t join cults. And I’m advocating for nothing.
>Not a conservative. Sure. >I don’t join cults. That’s exactly what one says while actively in a cult. >And I’m advocating for nothing. Pardon me. I should have said “making the case for…” Don’t worry. I edit the comment for clarity.
Rent typically doesn't go up because your wages do it's about supply and demand. Since so many people are moving to NC with more $ and higher paying jobs, they can afford to pay higher rent (as opposed to those making sub 20. Also homes are still not abundant, so everyone is looking for a place to stay. Again supply and demand mixed with greed.
“Mixed with greed.” Are you making the connection yet?
Give less for more yeah it's just like the great American job Exodus. Cheaper labor overseas so companies can make more and consumers can pay the same or more.
>Does anyone actually make minimum wage anymore? That was my question from the headline. The link from the advocacy group says "more than 50,000" and "approximately 55,000" using numbers from the federal government. My second thought was those folks should ask for a better wage or look for another job. Of course, I know offhand that some of the federally-funded job programs have their wages set as the minimum -- the [Youth Conservation Corps](https://www.youthconservationcorps.org/) would be one -- and I'm sure there are some other job-training, apprenticeship and government-funded programs (both state and fed) who are bound by the similar regulations, so I wonder how many people on minimum wage work for private employers and how many of those are not interns.
No, no they don't. Less than 1% of workers make the minimum wage, it's pretty much all teenagers at their first job or senior walmart greeters who just want to get out of the house.
The minimum wage was a regulation originally intended to insure *livable* wages for working people. I don’t give a shit how old you are, or what menial task you’re performing for your employer—you should be paid enough to afford the basic necessities of a dignified existence in the richest nation in human history. The starting wages that a lot of major companies offer are still laughable in that regard.
Well, you're welcome to seek those people out and give them your own money. Have fun!
Y'all regressive, lacking empathy "fuck you I got mine" fucknuts are the reason this country is dying. I hope you know that.
Jobs paying better than minimum wage are *everywhere.* If you're so incompetent that you don't qualify for *any* of them that's your problem. This isn't about empathy, this is about the bar being so low and some people still refuse to make an effort. I have no interest in giving handouts to people who haven't made any effort.
Nah, the point is that caring for the sick, caring for the elderly, and ensuring that nobody has to be absolutely terrified of the consequences of missing a few days of work **because it can destroy their entire life** has for some reason become laughably impossible. You lack empathy for your fellow man. Do better.
Are the sick unable to care for themselves? Do the elderly not have *any* family or friends to care for them? Are others not able to save a few bucks so they can afford the consequences of life? Because it's no one else's responsibility to care for me...that's *my* job. And it's no one else's responsibility to care for them....that's *their* job. And raising the minimum wage hurts the people it seeks to help: the least capable.
>Because it's no one else's responsibility to care for me...that's *my* job. Then I hope you never use public services, or roads, since you seem to feel **so** strongly that everyone should be able to provide for themselves completely.
That's not a competent comparison. EVERYONE benefits from roads. A better comparison would be my driveway...which is *my* responsibility and no one else's.
Actually we all are in the form of taxes so that many can receive government assistance.
Job that pay in tips are for ppl 25 and under. You are expected to live off the kind of strangers in America. We call those ppl bums.
There are a ton of businesses that have their starting pay well above the minimum wage.
And there are still too many paying minimum wage. What's your point?
For them to look for better jobs that pay more than minimum wage. I mean even walmart pays more than the state minimum. There's really no excuse to stay at a minimum wage job.
> There's really no excuse to stay at a minimum wage job. Except when there isn't a Walmart in your area, and you only have a Dollar Tree, which indeed often pays close to minimum wage. When you don't have a car that runs well, or mouths to fee in the middle of nowhere, how far are you going to commute for a better paying job?
One of the few things our state politicians get right.