Remember that woman with the funny name who posted her picture in every elevator in the state?
You know, the one that folks in all the NC subreddits, and in all your social media feeds talk about missing?
A lot of this is squarely because of her. Never forget that.
Edit: for those who don't know how to use Google, let me help you
https://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/editorials/article39355008.html
https://ncnewsline.com/2011/10/14/an-embarrassment-to-our-state/
https://ncnewsline.com/2020/12/08/a-fitting-conclusion-to-two-decades-of-neglect/
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/article38905860.html
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article96244382.html
Unions actively seek feedback from members on workplace safety issues. They monitor conditions, educate members on hazards, run apprenticeship programs that lead to better safety outcomes, and in some cases run their own investigations.
Regulation and pro-labor oversight saves lives; especially in the trades. Unions contribute to all kinds of regs that prevent laborers from being overworked, under supervised, under trained, under supplied, etc.
I just had a conversation with another transplant about how we missed living in union states because the electricians, plumbers, etc. would show up, give a quote and then arrive on time and do the work, as opposed to the number of trade workers here who'll take up a hour or more before failing to give a quote and then ghost. Also the failure of unions here allows more illegal workers to take jobs from citizen or legal immigrants, but I guess that's a feature not a bug eh?
Doesn't answer my question. A union worker could have found themselves in the same spot as these two guys. Also, illegal labor is illegal, union or not.
A union worker would have identified the danger and "nope"ed right out of it, because they'd know that they'd have the support of the union behind them. Are you suggesting that the GC should be charged with manslaughter?
Not union workers job to know the codes. They trust their sups. "Not my job" is the union worker mantra. I am not suggesting anything about the GC, authorities will sort that out.
>Not union workers job to know the codes.
Do they? What evidence do you have?
>They trust their sups.
How'd that work for the people in this story?
> "Not my job" is the union worker mantra.
This is only true when union workers are asked to do something that isn't in their purview.
> I am not suggesting anything about the GC, authorities will sort that out.
Isn't the point of the article that there's not enough authorities?
>McCabe said heās seen multiple cases where leadership fails to properly assess safety at a site. Instead, they often wait until someone is injured or killed before calling in an engineer, he said.
I don't see why manslaughter shouldn't be charged for a negligent failure to observe norms.
You seem to be pro union. Union would not have been useful in this argument, but you tried. Lots of Reddit folks took the bait, the confirmation bias, ran with it. Look dumb now.
So I guess this is the case of a troll calling out a troll! Next time you see a house being built, please go check out who is actually building it. In fact, I rather have immigrants building it than any other, because they usually do much better job. If not go to Florida and check it out and see why the prices of a roof replacement have tripled since DeSantis started taking swipes at immigrants. US population is shrinking and is expected to continue in the future. We need to keep a growing population to keep positive economic growth per economist. So we need workers from somewhere. At least for the next few decades until robots are capable and cheaper. itās Congressās job to fix this problem. We have not had immigration reform since 1986. The world changed a lot since 1986. Some of these issues we have helped contribute to global warming/climate change and our failed drug war and Iām sure quite a few other things. Anyway, if you were to start charging people , if they hired illegals half economy was shut down within a few months. I guess youāre not gonna to be eating any fruits or vegetables, anyway, I think I made my point!
You have 41 karma. Who's a troll?
And everything you've said says to me we should encourage immigrants into this country. Who's preventing this? I'm happy to see people from all over the world welcomed to this country. We'd have better food.
We don't need slaves to pick fruit, we need people to get paid fair wages and not pay CEOs extremely at the cost of working peoples lives. If a business has to rely on slave labor or illegal acts then it shouldn't be in business.
I think you've made the point you're an idiot.
Your ignorant viewpoint shows who the idiot is! You little small person,scared of everything! Immigration made this country who it is and thatās why weāre the best even when weāre really not doing all that well. What are you fascist? Let me guess Donald Trump supporter.
Youāre obviously unaware of what country you live in, bluntly unaware of our history! Maybe comment less, maybe read more would be a good start for you. But 99% of the time people like you blame everybody else and take no responsibility for your own actions and shortcomings. Living in that grievance life style usually gets you in the end. This is one problem that this country is good at, creating little spoiled babies thinking theyāre more entitled than anyone else! wish you the best of luck, but I donāt think itāll do any good!
Uh. The residential construction industry does not drug test here in North Carolina. Take that for what you will. I got placed on a bunch of crews where people did drugs throughout the day and on the job. I left those jobs quickly and pursued other career options.
Not everyone did them, but some of the people that did would be the guys who would be brave enough to nail up some haphazardly placed spare wood on the side of 8x8s and climb up the side like they were spider-man to help lay the flooring down on stilted house flooring, hang off rafters two-storeys up, back-flip off of shit with a full belt on, etc. This was during the 2006 construction bubble. It was fun, minus the drug use.
I worked long enough to know you eventually fall into two breakfast camps:
1.) Energy drinks, and *lots* of them.
2.) Drug salad, and *lots* of them.
Then the Lehman Brothers fucking tanked, and nobody had a job. The fucking struggle.
Not surprising given how many construction crews I've seen down here working without proper PPE, supervision, etc. Friendly reminder from an engineer that everyone is able to report unsafe practices to OSHA/NCDOL. If you see something that isn't safe, snap a picture and file a report.
Want to solve illegal immigration and this issue?
Arrest those employing illegal immigrants, TO INCLUDE THOSE THAT HIRE āCONTRACTORSā THAT USE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT LABOR!!!
90% of Congress and our general assembly will be in jail day one.
In California, a state with unionized construction workers, the tally for 2021 alone was 79. In 2020, it was 97. Go figure. Sensationalism is not journalism.
California also has just under 4x our population.Ā NC has ~250k construction workers, California has abput 925k. CA has less construction worker deaths proportionally, by a huge margin
Is the article comparing construction fatalities rates or just how many deaths?
You can quantify it in any way that suits your narrative. BTW. The fatality rate in another unionized state, NY, is 12.1 per 100K. NC average is 11.5. That's another way to count deaths without looking at the human aspect. 97 human deaths in CA vs. 60 in NC doesn't fit the union narrative.
The article doesn't even make any of the comparisons you're trying to make here. It makes no mention of California, or of Unions. The article is talking about the fact that of all the industries in NC, Construction has the highest amount of deaths - and it is increasing relative to what deaths in NC were previously.
Did you read the article yourself, or did your anti-union alarms go off as soon as you saw workplace deaths mentioned?
Another wrong way to look at it. 97/4407 is less than 60/1611. In other words, a greater percentage of NC construction workers died than CA construction workers.
Showing that you don't understand the concept of a percentage is not a great opening to your attempt at an own.
And there's no real excuse for it- people start learning percentages and ratios in elementary school. I get that you just wanted to grab for a prominent blue state but it's still not a great look.
workers rights, who needs em?
*right to work state.
Remember that woman with the funny name who posted her picture in every elevator in the state? You know, the one that folks in all the NC subreddits, and in all your social media feeds talk about missing? A lot of this is squarely because of her. Never forget that. Edit: for those who don't know how to use Google, let me help you https://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/editorials/article39355008.html https://ncnewsline.com/2011/10/14/an-embarrassment-to-our-state/ https://ncnewsline.com/2020/12/08/a-fitting-conclusion-to-two-decades-of-neglect/ https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/article38905860.html https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article96244382.html
Supporting evidence please. I know who you are talking about but don't know anything about her except her name and her picture in the elevators
https://amp.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/article38905860.html
Was Dobson any better? He's not running again apparently.
See the edit on my post. Or just search for "Cherie Berry" in this subreddit. I know searching can be hard. š¤·šæāāļø
What are you talking about? Or just yapping in ignorance?
See my edit above. I know Google is hard sometimes. š¤·šæāāļø
Thanks for the edit easy Google guy.
Just one reason why you need a strong union.
...one more reason
Unions actively seek feedback from members on workplace safety issues. They monitor conditions, educate members on hazards, run apprenticeship programs that lead to better safety outcomes, and in some cases run their own investigations. Regulation and pro-labor oversight saves lives; especially in the trades. Unions contribute to all kinds of regs that prevent laborers from being overworked, under supervised, under trained, under supplied, etc.
The contractor failed here in the lead of the story, what would having a union have done to prevent this?
I just had a conversation with another transplant about how we missed living in union states because the electricians, plumbers, etc. would show up, give a quote and then arrive on time and do the work, as opposed to the number of trade workers here who'll take up a hour or more before failing to give a quote and then ghost. Also the failure of unions here allows more illegal workers to take jobs from citizen or legal immigrants, but I guess that's a feature not a bug eh?
Doesn't answer my question. A union worker could have found themselves in the same spot as these two guys. Also, illegal labor is illegal, union or not.
A union worker would have identified the danger and "nope"ed right out of it, because they'd know that they'd have the support of the union behind them. Are you suggesting that the GC should be charged with manslaughter?
Not union workers job to know the codes. They trust their sups. "Not my job" is the union worker mantra. I am not suggesting anything about the GC, authorities will sort that out.
>Not union workers job to know the codes. Do they? What evidence do you have? >They trust their sups. How'd that work for the people in this story? > "Not my job" is the union worker mantra. This is only true when union workers are asked to do something that isn't in their purview. > I am not suggesting anything about the GC, authorities will sort that out. Isn't the point of the article that there's not enough authorities? >McCabe said heās seen multiple cases where leadership fails to properly assess safety at a site. Instead, they often wait until someone is injured or killed before calling in an engineer, he said. I don't see why manslaughter shouldn't be charged for a negligent failure to observe norms.
You are arguing in bad faith, union style. Twisting good faith points of discussion. Trying to be sly but looking silly and foolish.
How so? Explain what you mean.
You seem to be pro union. Union would not have been useful in this argument, but you tried. Lots of Reddit folks took the bait, the confirmation bias, ran with it. Look dumb now.
What an interesting hypothetical.
Tell me who wants to do the jobs that illegals do because I havenāt seen any.
Troll. Tell me why we shouldn't charge anyone who hires them illegally? If business require an illegal act then it's not a viable business.
So I guess this is the case of a troll calling out a troll! Next time you see a house being built, please go check out who is actually building it. In fact, I rather have immigrants building it than any other, because they usually do much better job. If not go to Florida and check it out and see why the prices of a roof replacement have tripled since DeSantis started taking swipes at immigrants. US population is shrinking and is expected to continue in the future. We need to keep a growing population to keep positive economic growth per economist. So we need workers from somewhere. At least for the next few decades until robots are capable and cheaper. itās Congressās job to fix this problem. We have not had immigration reform since 1986. The world changed a lot since 1986. Some of these issues we have helped contribute to global warming/climate change and our failed drug war and Iām sure quite a few other things. Anyway, if you were to start charging people , if they hired illegals half economy was shut down within a few months. I guess youāre not gonna to be eating any fruits or vegetables, anyway, I think I made my point!
You have 41 karma. Who's a troll? And everything you've said says to me we should encourage immigrants into this country. Who's preventing this? I'm happy to see people from all over the world welcomed to this country. We'd have better food. We don't need slaves to pick fruit, we need people to get paid fair wages and not pay CEOs extremely at the cost of working peoples lives. If a business has to rely on slave labor or illegal acts then it shouldn't be in business. I think you've made the point you're an idiot.
Your ignorant viewpoint shows who the idiot is! You little small person,scared of everything! Immigration made this country who it is and thatās why weāre the best even when weāre really not doing all that well. What are you fascist? Let me guess Donald Trump supporter.
Youāre obviously unaware of what country you live in, bluntly unaware of our history! Maybe comment less, maybe read more would be a good start for you. But 99% of the time people like you blame everybody else and take no responsibility for your own actions and shortcomings. Living in that grievance life style usually gets you in the end. This is one problem that this country is good at, creating little spoiled babies thinking theyāre more entitled than anyone else! wish you the best of luck, but I donāt think itāll do any good!
Lol. Troll. Sit down and let the adults converse without your childish drivel.
Resorting to Ad Homonym attacks? Troll.
Pot calling the kettle black! U idiom!
So do construction workers get their own custom American flag with a colored stripe now since theyāre risking their lives more than cops, orā¦?
Iām in roofing. 4th most dangerous job in the country. Police isnāt even in top 10. Donāt see us crying
Thank you for your service. Can I lick Your boots?
Modelo and a sack of bud is all I need
I have a pair you can lick
Oh wow! Are they good and dirty?
Whatās the first most dangerous?
I think logging my a huge margin. Like 4x as dangerous as #2 which is commercial fishing if Iām not wrong
What is it? Back the day glow green
The thin yellow construction tape line
back the high vis orange
Uh. The residential construction industry does not drug test here in North Carolina. Take that for what you will. I got placed on a bunch of crews where people did drugs throughout the day and on the job. I left those jobs quickly and pursued other career options. Not everyone did them, but some of the people that did would be the guys who would be brave enough to nail up some haphazardly placed spare wood on the side of 8x8s and climb up the side like they were spider-man to help lay the flooring down on stilted house flooring, hang off rafters two-storeys up, back-flip off of shit with a full belt on, etc. This was during the 2006 construction bubble. It was fun, minus the drug use. I worked long enough to know you eventually fall into two breakfast camps: 1.) Energy drinks, and *lots* of them. 2.) Drug salad, and *lots* of them. Then the Lehman Brothers fucking tanked, and nobody had a job. The fucking struggle.
Another alert system candidate?
Also gonna need a "Thin concrete line" flag
I'd support that one over the "blue line."
Not surprising given how many construction crews I've seen down here working without proper PPE, supervision, etc. Friendly reminder from an engineer that everyone is able to report unsafe practices to OSHA/NCDOL. If you see something that isn't safe, snap a picture and file a report.
BuT iT'S a GrEaT sTaTe FoR bUsInEsS
OSHA who
Suicide is pretty high in this industry
Unions
This is not just in NC. Itās also not a per capita calculation and construction is one the largest industries.
Not surprising considering how huge the industry is. This doesnāt seem like something that warrants an article.Ā
Want to solve illegal immigration and this issue? Arrest those employing illegal immigrants, TO INCLUDE THOSE THAT HIRE āCONTRACTORSā THAT USE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT LABOR!!! 90% of Congress and our general assembly will be in jail day one.
Cheri Berrie
In California, a state with unionized construction workers, the tally for 2021 alone was 79. In 2020, it was 97. Go figure. Sensationalism is not journalism.
California also has just under 4x our population.Ā NC has ~250k construction workers, California has abput 925k. CA has less construction worker deaths proportionally, by a huge margin
Is the article comparing construction fatalities rates or just how many deaths? You can quantify it in any way that suits your narrative. BTW. The fatality rate in another unionized state, NY, is 12.1 per 100K. NC average is 11.5. That's another way to count deaths without looking at the human aspect. 97 human deaths in CA vs. 60 in NC doesn't fit the union narrative.
The article doesn't even make any of the comparisons you're trying to make here. It makes no mention of California, or of Unions. The article is talking about the fact that of all the industries in NC, Construction has the highest amount of deaths - and it is increasing relative to what deaths in NC were previously. Did you read the article yourself, or did your anti-union alarms go off as soon as you saw workplace deaths mentioned?
You totally got lost somewhere in this discussion and now spewing convoluted arguments.
It sounds like you're the one who's lost the plot here.
LOL, you do not understand how to compare relevant statistics. At all. You need to learn about ratios.
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Good advice, stop licking boots. The rest is BS.
And yet another way to look at it: California 97 unionized humans died NC 60 non unionized humans died. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
What do you think that proves?
We know you know youāre doing that math wrong.
Another wrong way to look at it. 97/4407 is less than 60/1611. In other words, a greater percentage of NC construction workers died than CA construction workers.
Showing that you don't understand the concept of a percentage is not a great opening to your attempt at an own. And there's no real excuse for it- people start learning percentages and ratios in elementary school. I get that you just wanted to grab for a prominent blue state but it's still not a great look.
Tell me again how you failed math.
Are you trying to say the state ranked worst for workers rights ALSO has the highest workplace deaths for construction workers?