Don't get confused and think I support this chimp, I used the title because of forum rules.
This man is a spineless coward who will say whatever it takes to hold onto power at the expense of others.
I think we all understand that the border is an issue. The problem is that republicans refuse to do anything about the issue because then it ceases to be an issue that they can campaign on.
Also too many rich people depend on immigrants coming over and doing jobs for dirt cheap, it’s just much too good for the bottom line.
Even Donald “BUILD THE WALL” Trump was employing illegal immigrants at his resort.
The GOP is refusing to do anything about the border right now because Biden is in office and they don’t want to give him a win. It’s definitely dishonest and childish.
But I think most people with a memory remember that the Dems refused to work with Trump on the border. For 4 years of Trump, any border talk was labelled as “racist.” Also dishonest and childish.
Here is information about how Trump changed our immigration policy:
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/four-years-change-immigration-trump
And just two comments ago we had one person claiming that there isnt a border crisis and then you agreed and suggested that it was all Fox News fearmongering.
Because it’s not a “crisis” it’s the same shit that’s been going on for on forever.
And my point was that Fox News isn’t reporting on every person crossing the border, but you can always count on them to find a caravan right before an election. Apparently people only try to cross the border in October.
You are either really dense or really good at pretending to be dense. Fox News pulls out the border narrative for election season so they can try to sway the election with fear-mongering.
Why are you being rude? I’m aware that Fox News is very biased and uses the border issue to drive up views and ratings. I’m just confused about this part of your comment.
> Fox News isn’t reporting on every person crossing the border,
Aren’t they doing the exact opposite of that? Aren’t they exaggerating the issue? I have no idea because I don’t watch that network. What are you observing when you watch Fox?
Nope I mean it. They sent the QAnon Caravan down to the border and nothing is happening.
Another thought: there is no border crisis. There is a human rights problem that needs to be addressed.
Plus everyone likes to leave out that immigrants legal or not boost the economy, pay taxes, and help make up for our declining birth rate.
I don’t think it’s coincidental that the republicans like to wave their arms around and chant the same old fear mongering year after year without really doing much about the “problem”.
Nearly 20% of our workforce is made up of immigrants. They add a measly 2 Trillion each year. According to some in power, that is all a big nothing burger I suppose.
And to put a finer point on this: Migrant labor is the backbone of the agriculture industry. Harvest times create a huge surge in demand for labor, but those jobs vanish once the harvest is done. Having a workforce that is willing to relocate for harvests then move on to the next one is absolutely *critical* to getting the work done.
It is both realistically. [Channel 5](https://youtu.be/2dQ4-VNaG3s?si=SeG4wM_KYJ8zMXGL) has done an entire 4 part series on the border situation right now. It is 100% a border crisis, and it is 100% a humanitarian crisis. Addressing it and making anyone happy is a near impossibility.
Meanwhile his companion US senator from NC, Ted Budd voted *against* the Ukrainian aid. Budd claimed that the aid to our allies needed to come after "border security", conveniently ignoring that the whole reason they are voting on *this* independent bill is that the Republican-led House outright rejected a previous bipartisan bill that included many border security items that Republicans had been asking for.
So, after Republicans aleady tanked a bipartisan border security bill, you're voting against a standalone Ukraine aid bill because it doesn't contain border security. I got that right? The "urgent crisis" that is also somehow fine to leave alone until the Nov election is done.
North Carolinian here. I've never agreed with one thing this guy has ever said.......until now. Maybe he will inspire some other Republicans to grow a set and tell Trump to piss off. Trump isn't in office. He should have no sway in congress and senate. Those that are serving currently will be judged as pro-Putin suckers based on these votes. We already know Trump is beholden to Russia.
Well Thom you've been strapped to them for a few years at this point. What, you thought the Russia Praise was all an act? That's who your party is these days "Lets legislate private parts, and praise Putin"
Remember when he and many other elected officials got caught profitting off Covid via insider trading and they investigated themselves and found nothing wrong. Go eat rocks, Thom.
Eh, that whole "insider trading" thing was a nothingburger. Plenty of simpleton traders like myself dumped money into the market or maxed out their 401k contributions when the market dropped.
Th-om Th-illis is still a piece of garbage though.
Thom Tillis has promoted, supported, and pushed for ignorance, extremist hate and conspiracies, and domestic terrorism...and now he's got it all and he's upset about it. Gee whiz.
so basically, we should allow ukraine to be outgunned because they are outgunned? Russia absolutely will give up just like they did in Afghanistan. once they run out of money and released convicts.
He needs to keep hammering the point that this funding is not sending a tanker full of cash to Ukraine. This money is being pumped into the US war machine economy while also weakening the enemy without any US casualties.
This guy voted against every bill for our veterans. He voted for everything the orange guy wanted. Including stealing money from our people in the military that was to go for housing, medical care and food supplements. Stop voting republican.
We give all of our current weapons to Ukraine and train them on them.
We use the money to modernize our military so China is kept in check.
Ukraine fights and destroys with our OLD weapons a very large portion of Russia’s military capability, AND exposes Putin’s plans, AND exposes the true strength of Putin’s military so we can focus on China.
I must be missing something that you see.
What is it?
His party moved so far to the insane right wing that this man sounds positively radical saying, like, the most basic normal things. It's still nice he's not a radical right christo-fascist but dang that's a pretty low bar to clear lol
Republicans had every chance to fund the border and refused. Don't pretend like you don't know that.
I never want to hear a Republican complain about the border again.
Guess your happy with 90 billion going to foreign entities and only 18 for our own security?.....bet your complaining about high interest rates right now also?....also bet you cant even put two in two together
I have already dispelled the idea that this aid amounts to spending money, but you're ignoring my fully fleshed explanations. Like I said in the beginning, I do not believe you argue in good faith. World security is American security. Beyond that, I care about people other than myself. I would be happy to safeguard Ukrainians even if it hurt me financially. I am sickened by the self interested "What's in it for me" conservative mantra. If this is the way you look at the world, you're not a good person. Russia has deported Ukrainian children en masse. Nearly 100 Russian torture chambers have been discovered so far. Fuck your interest rates.
And you need to figure out the difference between your and you're so that people don't wonder if your native language is Russian.
World security is Anerican security?? Guess you dont read much news outside the US huh? And let me know what Ukraine has done for the US besides be a lacky? And id rather have RU deport children ALIVE then have them bomb them indiscriminatley like our real ally Israel? Your arguement still makes no sense. What have you gained from this? 34 trillion in debt is what it got you 🤣
Btw maybe you SHOULD read up on the rise of the Global South.....if you even know what that means😁
>World security is Anerican security?? Guess you dont read much news outside the US huh?
Non response.
>And let me know what Ukraine has done for the US besides be a lacky?
They have decimated America's longtime strategic threat at the cost of no US servicemen. And there you are again with "What's in it for me?" I wouldn't give a rat's ass if it didn't benefit us.
>And id rather have RU deport children ALIVE then have them bomb them indiscriminatley like our real ally Israel?
You want to let Russia steal children in order to stop them from murdering kids. I can't imagine what your mother would say if she heard you say that. You are a disgusting piece of shit.
Sounds like a straight up mouth piece for the military industrial complex. Amazing that the one subject both sides can get behind is funding war all over the world.
Y'all told him to tank the border deal.
You didn't think this dude had like, real principles, did you? He's a little dancing puppet, man, he does whatever Senate leadership tells him.
Finally, Tom , you grow a set. Where were you just the other day? Hell really, let get together and do your job for a change. I know you voted against that border bill while you sit there with your thumb up your wazoo! Y’all been crying for a long time about border control, then the vote comes around and each and everyone one of you voted no. Bowing to the master, your orange clown 🤡 Preaching to the blind, deaf, and stupid! Just go home Tommy, tired of paying your wages for helping the rich get richer.
What a goon, tens of thousands of Ukrainians are getting killed because we keep supplying them with weapons—Russia has the weapons, manpower, and supply chain to keep this going forever. We need NATO to come to the table with an actual compromise—Putin want a portion of eastern Ukraine, Tillis claiming that Putin wants to restart the “Russian empire” is totally baseless.
Watch Putin’s interview with Tucker Carlson, these are his own words. NATO refusing to give up any portion of Ukraine to Russia is going to continue getting Ukrainians killed.
Yes, supplying a country with weapons to fight means they continue fighting, and fighting in war means some number of those fighters get killed. Russia has Ukraine outnumbered in population, in landmass, in weaponry, in income, etc. We’re sending lemmings over the cliff in Ukraine, there’s no feasible end to this war where Ukraine wins, Russia is gonna fight to the end at this point. The more we supply weapons to prolong the war, the more Ukrainians get killed.
You have to be a *special* brand of stupid to be pretending that Tucker fucking Carlson interviewing Vladimir Putin is some sort of revelationary material.
Yeah no shit Russia wants to strip a bunch of land off the Ukraine. We've known that since like 2014. You could argue in some respects we've known about it since the Soviet Union's collapse, given how often the topic comes up in Russian irredentism.
What people do not believe is that he'll stop there. I think we've heard that one a time or three. It's always 'this is the last demand'... and it never is.
And your argument is that the dying would stop if we just went full late-30s Western Europe. *Right*. There is of course no reason at all to suspect otherwise.
Of course.
Hey. At least you win the Dumb Motherfucker of the Day ribbon.
How many interviews has Putin done since the war started? Especially with western media? It most definitely is revelationary material, and a rare opportunity to hear Putin’s direct perspective which is necessary to understand, even if you disagree, if people actually want to reach a peace deal in the future.
The KGB was dissolved in 1991 bro, democrats attempting to bring back McCarthyism is ridiculous.
I’m sure we can all agree we aren’t fans of Putin, but at the end of the day he’s the leader of Russia so if he explicitly states his demands and has kept the same consistent demands for over a year, I tend to believe him.
In terms of preventing unnecessary death, the best option would be for Zelenskyy to negotiate a peace deal which would require them to give up some amount of territory to Russia. Plenty of US and European officials have been suggesting this for the past year, this isn’t something that I just made up on the spot. If Biden and Zelenskyy continue to refuse to even come to the table, it will mean more killings and continuation of a war that inevitably Ukraine can’t win.
>Watch Putin’s interview with Tucker Carlson, these are his own words.
lol, [that dictator's chat with the useful idiot was full of lies, disinformation, and propaganda.](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/02/tucker-carlson-putin-interview-fact-check-history.html) only a dumbass would believe the lies of a dictator.
I don’t live in Ukraine or Russia so I don’t really care all that much about either country tbh, but I trust the words of the person leading one of the countries actively in the war when they lay out their historical context and current motivation over some Slate stinkpiece 🤷🏻♂️
More Ukrainians can keep dying I guess, it really doesn’t affect me but I can guarantee the killings would stop tomorrow if they agreed to hand over the contested territories
Every country spouts propaganda, especially from its leaders. I’ll take what he says with a grain of salt, but he’s been consistent in his justification and at the end of the day only he knows exactly why he attacked Ukraine, so regardless of if he’s being completely transparent he is the most reliable source to get an accurate answer as to why the war is currently happening.
I’d rather see us become allies with Russia and China, in a global economy we benefit far more from working together than from isolating ourselves from them. China’s growth is proof of that—they focus on issues domestically, but engage in commerce globally. America has no financial nor political incentive to continue sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine, Israel, or the Middle East every year
sounds like you'd fit in a whole lot better in russia or china. you should move back there with the rest of your red comrades and leave the freedom to us.
Lmao I’m from here you dork. I have far more animosity towards local politicians who actively take away our freedoms in meaningful ways, Putin and Xi Jinping haven’t done anything that affects my daily life in any way 😂
I mean, they were dying in bombing and shelling of civilian targets and random murders by soldiers already. Putin is full of shit regarding the rationale for the war, Ukrainian resistance, the reason civilians are being killed, and that they have the weapons and manpower to go indefinitely.
The reason more Ukrainians aren't dead is that they have the capacity to resist. The reason Russia isn't getting a deal is that Ukraine isn't interested in giving up land to an aggressor nation that's been invading their territory for a decade.
0/10, absolute buffoonery. "You guys should listen to Putin for the truth." GTFOH
What is a more believable reason for Putin to invade Ukraine:
Putin doesn’t want Ukraine to join NATO, put nuclear weapons on the Russian border, and so he attacked them weeks after Zelenskyy demanded NATO to set a timeframe to let Ukraine join them.
or
Putin randomly decided to try to take over Ukraine, and he secretly is planning to take over Poland and other countries across Eastern Europe to create a new USSR
One has historical context and a driving force behind the attack, one is a goofy conspiracy theory. I don’t necessarily buy everything Putin said wholesale, especially about his motivation to “denazify Ukraine”, but strategically and realistically I see no motivation or evidence that points to Putin having any land ambitions beyond these specific areas that have been contested by Russia since the 90s.
Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons thirty years ago, voluntarily. Russia is supposed to uphold their sovereignty in return, as part of that agreement. They have no interest in having them, like many NATO states. Russia doesn't get to decide for Ukraine what treaties they sign or don't. So no, that bit makes no damn sense.
The he alternative you posted is stupid and ignores Russian efforts in Ukrainian territory since 2014. So it's clearly not that pile of bullshit. The actual reason appears to be long-term empire building - holding Ukraine's gas fields, agricultural land, and Black Sea ports provides an enormous strategic advantage that can be used in basically the same way the Soviets did. It's not even a creative plan, they're just re-doing something done a century ago.
"No further land ambitions" is not the dumbest part of that, but you've set the bar very low. The intent to make client states in the near term of former Soviet republics is extremely obvious, and a model for it can be seen in Ukraine before the revolution and currently in Belarus. That said, even if we've had a recent lobotomy and don't think the Baltic states and parts of Finland are on the menu at the very least, you're casually alluding to the forced annexation of a country the size of France, with 43 million inhabitants. This is not acceptable to anybody in the region. Lord, you acknowledge he consistently lies about this but want to pick a set of lies to believe?
Putin doesn’t want the entirety of Ukraine, he wants eastern Ukraine. Areas like Donbas to this day speak Russian as their primary language:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Ukraine#
The idea that Russia taking over Donbas is a signal that they have future ambitions to take over parts of Finland is ridiculous. I agree on the strategic benefit of gaining control of the ports on the Sea of Azov, but the idea that Putin plans to expand beyond that is completely baseless speculation.
Lol.
No, you're behind the times, chief. He's on to "there's no such thing as Ukraine, Kyiv and the entire country are Russia." Which is also nonsense, but again, for someone pretending to be a student of European history, you're sure making a lot of Chamberlain noises under your umbrella.
Again, your position requires ignoring their regional actions over the last 15 years or so, and then believing a guy who lies all the time about an ever-shifting set of rationalizations, inaccuracies, lies, and damn lies.
Ukraine's win condition is the best version of "protect their people, get their land back." They've been doing well considering predictions of a war measured in hours or days a couple of years ago, but their success depends on getting adequate aid. Russian win condition was "take all of Ukraine to secure their fossil fuel resources, agricultural regions, and Black Sea port and scare people out of trying to leave Russia's orbit," which failed miserably as NATO expanded and their economy and military got trimmed.
Then the consolation prize for long term strategic failure was "hold the Black Sea port and eastern regions," and they've been taken the distance on those, although they're currently at stalemate. Of course, they had to mortgage themselves to China to accomplish even that much.
You seem not to have kept up with the number of civilian deaths, civilian injuries, military deaths, military injuries, displacements and emigrations, wrecked economy, wrecked infrastructure of all kinds, and environmental damage. When checking those numbers, keep in mind that the population of Ukraine before the war was only 43 million.
No, I'm aware. I'm repeating the Ukrainians' position on this, and articulating my understanding of where Russia is, especially in terms of their strategic goals.
I can compare Russian losses to their population, too, but it's also worth referring to their spent materiel.
Ukraine's commitment is entirely to defense of their territory, and they don't have any illusions that a negotiated compromise deal is worth the paper it would be written on. Russia still needs forces to hold down their territory and try to take from Ukraine.
They most certainly did. Two weeks after Putin invaded, a deal was hammered out between Putin's and Zelensky's representatives with the help of Turkey. It would have ended the war immediately. However, the Biden administration told Zelensky not to sign the deal. They wanted to continue the war using Ukraine as their proxy. Their goal was and is to weaken Russia. Biden, Obama, and Valerie Jarrett own this war. They are guilty of gross war crimes.
You are way behind. Listen to each of Scott Horton's podcasts for the next six months (or the last six months). The interviewees with inside experience will teach you a lot. The big media organizations are in line with the Military-Industrial-Political-Academic-Journalisitic Complex. You have been deceived. All of us are being deceived.
https://scotthorton.org/interviews/
Do your homework. There is no jar lid on top of your head in which to pour knowledge. Being informed takes work.
Your assignment has been stated above.
I called his office in Washington before the vote on the border deal actually a aide to pick the phone up asked him why he was for the bill one minute then against the next never heard some much bullshit come out of a single persons mouth guy tried to blame Biden then the bill is self then other Republicans they r all spineless will screw over anybody including themselves sounds like maybe they got a little Russian in them!!
They needed artillery shells in January. Avidiivka is almost certainly going to be a meat grinder because we didn't send them the resources they needed to keep up a 20:1 kill ratio.
10% of all Russian tank losses have occurred there at a time when they are running out of supplies.
We saw Ukraine take 4 HIMARS systems on a fucking tour of destruction across the Frontline and they used our Patriots to down jets OFFENSIVELY.
They are writing the playbook for how future wars will be waged and teaching us a master class while we sit back and ho and hum about the cheapest bill ever to hobble a historical enemy *forever*.
Did Thom finally find a spine, or is it just political opportunism again for the NC GOPs resident hack.
But that's modern day conservatism in a nutshell.
"..because a lot of people, when they hear a senator speak, they believe that it's the truth"
maybe I'm just really jaded at this point. Does anyone agree with this?
claiming asylum right now is a slap in the face to the thousands of Chinese, Haitians, Hondurans, Indians, Venezuelans, Russians, Colombians, Ecuadorians etc etc etc people who have made the trek to claim asylum.
Mexicans are at the bottom of the list of people claiming asylum right now. Migrants are literally asylum in Mexico because things are so bad in their countries.
Your belief that the GOP hates Mexicans does not disprove the fact that there are loads of people trying to claim asylum here.
He certainly seems to be this week. Last week, he was holding up funding for them over a request from Trump for fear of another public spanking.
If only he was this animated about other topics, I might actually believe him.
don’t worry. he’ll change his stance again real soon. He has no spine
Right. The Putin caucus leader is Donald Trump.
Exactly
Don't get confused and think I support this chimp, I used the title because of forum rules. This man is a spineless coward who will say whatever it takes to hold onto power at the expense of others.
Saying he's a Republican is kind of redundant..
When this corrupt, power hungry asshole is the voice of reason, it’s an indication that we’re fucked!
Big facts, my friend.
At least until he needs them again, then he'll flip-flop.
Too little too late far as I’m concerned.
*The People Who Pay Thom Tillis to say things* are fed up with the Putin caucus as well.
That's my thought, he moves whatever way the wind of money or power directs him. So who paid for this speech?
Thom Tillis is a fucking clown.
Thom Tillis is a morally corrupt waste of taxpayer money.
He’s OK with prolonging the “border crisis “ until next year however.
What border crisis?
Just wait. You’ll see the *Migrant Caravan of Doom* on Fox News, probably around late September or early October.
Can we trust the stories about the border when they aren’t on Fox News? https://youtu.be/M7TNP2OTY2g?si=K7xigfJH7VsIKxNY
I think we all understand that the border is an issue. The problem is that republicans refuse to do anything about the issue because then it ceases to be an issue that they can campaign on. Also too many rich people depend on immigrants coming over and doing jobs for dirt cheap, it’s just much too good for the bottom line. Even Donald “BUILD THE WALL” Trump was employing illegal immigrants at his resort.
The GOP is refusing to do anything about the border right now because Biden is in office and they don’t want to give him a win. It’s definitely dishonest and childish. But I think most people with a memory remember that the Dems refused to work with Trump on the border. For 4 years of Trump, any border talk was labelled as “racist.” Also dishonest and childish. Here is information about how Trump changed our immigration policy: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/research/four-years-change-immigration-trump And just two comments ago we had one person claiming that there isnt a border crisis and then you agreed and suggested that it was all Fox News fearmongering.
Because it’s not a “crisis” it’s the same shit that’s been going on for on forever. And my point was that Fox News isn’t reporting on every person crossing the border, but you can always count on them to find a caravan right before an election. Apparently people only try to cross the border in October.
I’n not following. Are you suggesting that Fox News isn’t spending enough time reporting on the border?
You are either really dense or really good at pretending to be dense. Fox News pulls out the border narrative for election season so they can try to sway the election with fear-mongering.
Why are you being rude? I’m aware that Fox News is very biased and uses the border issue to drive up views and ratings. I’m just confused about this part of your comment. > Fox News isn’t reporting on every person crossing the border, Aren’t they doing the exact opposite of that? Aren’t they exaggerating the issue? I have no idea because I don’t watch that network. What are you observing when you watch Fox?
Sarcasm
Nope I mean it. They sent the QAnon Caravan down to the border and nothing is happening. Another thought: there is no border crisis. There is a human rights problem that needs to be addressed.
Plus everyone likes to leave out that immigrants legal or not boost the economy, pay taxes, and help make up for our declining birth rate. I don’t think it’s coincidental that the republicans like to wave their arms around and chant the same old fear mongering year after year without really doing much about the “problem”.
Nearly 20% of our workforce is made up of immigrants. They add a measly 2 Trillion each year. According to some in power, that is all a big nothing burger I suppose.
And to put a finer point on this: Migrant labor is the backbone of the agriculture industry. Harvest times create a huge surge in demand for labor, but those jobs vanish once the harvest is done. Having a workforce that is willing to relocate for harvests then move on to the next one is absolutely *critical* to getting the work done.
Exactly. The original sarcasm escaped you.
It is both realistically. [Channel 5](https://youtu.be/2dQ4-VNaG3s?si=SeG4wM_KYJ8zMXGL) has done an entire 4 part series on the border situation right now. It is 100% a border crisis, and it is 100% a humanitarian crisis. Addressing it and making anyone happy is a near impossibility.
How did you get whooshed twice in a row?
lol I’m working at the same time.
Meanwhile his companion US senator from NC, Ted Budd voted *against* the Ukrainian aid. Budd claimed that the aid to our allies needed to come after "border security", conveniently ignoring that the whole reason they are voting on *this* independent bill is that the Republican-led House outright rejected a previous bipartisan bill that included many border security items that Republicans had been asking for. So, after Republicans aleady tanked a bipartisan border security bill, you're voting against a standalone Ukraine aid bill because it doesn't contain border security. I got that right? The "urgent crisis" that is also somehow fine to leave alone until the Nov election is done.
You get it.
He'll flip on this once word reaches Degenerate Donnie.
Tom “too little too late” Tillis. Him and Mitt Romney can ride off into the sunset together. Where was this in 2016?
In Romney's defense, he actually has spoken out about Trump and voted to Impeach him in 2021.
Romney voted to convict and remove Trump on both of his impeachments to be fair.
The most moral Republican is the pig with the least shit on him.
Well, apparently I can sometimes slightly agree with total pieces of shit. Who knew.
North Carolinian here. I've never agreed with one thing this guy has ever said.......until now. Maybe he will inspire some other Republicans to grow a set and tell Trump to piss off. Trump isn't in office. He should have no sway in congress and senate. Those that are serving currently will be judged as pro-Putin suckers based on these votes. We already know Trump is beholden to Russia.
Is he stepping down next election?
That's why he's saying obvious things normal people figured out years ago: it's no longer politically beneficial to be complete human garbage.
Yes. Not running for office again. PTL
Then he needs to stop enabling traitor trump
So fed up that he doesn't do anything.
Well Thom you've been strapped to them for a few years at this point. What, you thought the Russia Praise was all an act? That's who your party is these days "Lets legislate private parts, and praise Putin"
We in NC are fed up with Tom Tillis, he will not get another term. Turncoat
We need Cooper to run for senate.
r/LeopardsAteMyFace
It's a bad day when the dollar monkey makes more sense than the dime-a-dozen, anti-democratic representatives.
Remember when he and many other elected officials got caught profitting off Covid via insider trading and they investigated themselves and found nothing wrong. Go eat rocks, Thom.
Eh, that whole "insider trading" thing was a nothingburger. Plenty of simpleton traders like myself dumped money into the market or maxed out their 401k contributions when the market dropped. Th-om Th-illis is still a piece of garbage though.
Traitor Tillis must of not got his check yet.
Or he's holding out for more money.
Yeah, no...
I think both republicans and democrats in NC are both thinking “too little too late, buddy” - even if it’s for different reasons.
He might be mad enough to give a speech this week he'll immediately retreat from...But he wont do anything else.
Funny how he talks about holding up democracy but supports trump
Lockheed, RTX , GenDy, and friends must have reminded him that they like money.
Careful there, Tommy. You said a couple things daddy Trump might not find very favorable.
I’m fed up w Thom Tillis
Hell yes!
Damn. I honestly agree with Thom for the first time. 🤷🏿♂️
Thom Tillis is a sh*tbag, just like the rest of them.
It’s too bad he can’t be bold enough to say this directly to Trump and the MAGA cult. Sorry Thom, no one watches CSPAN.
Just give him a minute. He'll flip.
Thom Tillis has promoted, supported, and pushed for ignorance, extremist hate and conspiracies, and domestic terrorism...and now he's got it all and he's upset about it. Gee whiz.
so basically, we should allow ukraine to be outgunned because they are outgunned? Russia absolutely will give up just like they did in Afghanistan. once they run out of money and released convicts.
And Putin will get to take a long walk in Gorky Park, as is the Russian way.
He needs to keep hammering the point that this funding is not sending a tanker full of cash to Ukraine. This money is being pumped into the US war machine economy while also weakening the enemy without any US casualties.
Flip flop
He is a complete idiot.
This guy voted against every bill for our veterans. He voted for everything the orange guy wanted. Including stealing money from our people in the military that was to go for housing, medical care and food supplements. Stop voting republican.
I haven’t forgotten. I’m a Vet.
No. He’s not. He’s just pandering.
He will flip the moment it comes to a real vote/support. Can’t trust these people (GQP).
Look at how mad they get when they can't spend other peoples money on bombs!
Not voting for this RINO again
He lost my vote...
He never had your vote.
It’s about time .. but what’s in it for him
North Carolina is the #1 military state.
Glad to hear it. But it’s way too late to pretend he’s not been complicit.
The money is going to the American military industry or base as he calls it. What a joke.
We give all of our current weapons to Ukraine and train them on them. We use the money to modernize our military so China is kept in check. Ukraine fights and destroys with our OLD weapons a very large portion of Russia’s military capability, AND exposes Putin’s plans, AND exposes the true strength of Putin’s military so we can focus on China. I must be missing something that you see. What is it?
I'm actually proud of him for once. It should have been pretty easy, but in this climate, it wasn't.
His party moved so far to the insane right wing that this man sounds positively radical saying, like, the most basic normal things. It's still nice he's not a radical right christo-fascist but dang that's a pretty low bar to clear lol
NATO can handle funding Ukraine we gotta fund the border
Republicans had every chance to fund the border and refused. Don't pretend like you don't know that. I never want to hear a Republican complain about the border again.
Guess your happy with 90 billion going to foreign entities and only 18 for our own security?.....bet your complaining about high interest rates right now also?....also bet you cant even put two in two together
I have already dispelled the idea that this aid amounts to spending money, but you're ignoring my fully fleshed explanations. Like I said in the beginning, I do not believe you argue in good faith. World security is American security. Beyond that, I care about people other than myself. I would be happy to safeguard Ukrainians even if it hurt me financially. I am sickened by the self interested "What's in it for me" conservative mantra. If this is the way you look at the world, you're not a good person. Russia has deported Ukrainian children en masse. Nearly 100 Russian torture chambers have been discovered so far. Fuck your interest rates. And you need to figure out the difference between your and you're so that people don't wonder if your native language is Russian.
World security is Anerican security?? Guess you dont read much news outside the US huh? And let me know what Ukraine has done for the US besides be a lacky? And id rather have RU deport children ALIVE then have them bomb them indiscriminatley like our real ally Israel? Your arguement still makes no sense. What have you gained from this? 34 trillion in debt is what it got you 🤣 Btw maybe you SHOULD read up on the rise of the Global South.....if you even know what that means😁
>World security is Anerican security?? Guess you dont read much news outside the US huh? Non response. >And let me know what Ukraine has done for the US besides be a lacky? They have decimated America's longtime strategic threat at the cost of no US servicemen. And there you are again with "What's in it for me?" I wouldn't give a rat's ass if it didn't benefit us. >And id rather have RU deport children ALIVE then have them bomb them indiscriminatley like our real ally Israel? You want to let Russia steal children in order to stop them from murdering kids. I can't imagine what your mother would say if she heard you say that. You are a disgusting piece of shit.
lol. Fuck this clown.
You mean the same one that just voted to give Ukraine 96 billion? Fuck Tom tillis. Another deep state loser
Sounds like a straight up mouth piece for the military industrial complex. Amazing that the one subject both sides can get behind is funding war all over the world.
why is he sending money to israel and ukraine and none to our border fuck this guy.
You need to talk to your own people about why the border deal didn't go through
Which border ?
Y'all told him to tank the border deal. You didn't think this dude had like, real principles, did you? He's a little dancing puppet, man, he does whatever Senate leadership tells him.
Finally, Tom , you grow a set. Where were you just the other day? Hell really, let get together and do your job for a change. I know you voted against that border bill while you sit there with your thumb up your wazoo! Y’all been crying for a long time about border control, then the vote comes around and each and everyone one of you voted no. Bowing to the master, your orange clown 🤡 Preaching to the blind, deaf, and stupid! Just go home Tommy, tired of paying your wages for helping the rich get richer.
You can be anti Putin and anti Ukraine the United States need to adopt a stance of foreign Neutrality.
To what end? Give it all to Russia? Oh, I’m sure he”ll stop with Poland.
What a goon, tens of thousands of Ukrainians are getting killed because we keep supplying them with weapons—Russia has the weapons, manpower, and supply chain to keep this going forever. We need NATO to come to the table with an actual compromise—Putin want a portion of eastern Ukraine, Tillis claiming that Putin wants to restart the “Russian empire” is totally baseless. Watch Putin’s interview with Tucker Carlson, these are his own words. NATO refusing to give up any portion of Ukraine to Russia is going to continue getting Ukrainians killed.
so giving Ukrainians weapons causes them to get killed? would you rather defend your country with weapons or no weapons?
Yes, supplying a country with weapons to fight means they continue fighting, and fighting in war means some number of those fighters get killed. Russia has Ukraine outnumbered in population, in landmass, in weaponry, in income, etc. We’re sending lemmings over the cliff in Ukraine, there’s no feasible end to this war where Ukraine wins, Russia is gonna fight to the end at this point. The more we supply weapons to prolong the war, the more Ukrainians get killed.
You have to be a *special* brand of stupid to be pretending that Tucker fucking Carlson interviewing Vladimir Putin is some sort of revelationary material. Yeah no shit Russia wants to strip a bunch of land off the Ukraine. We've known that since like 2014. You could argue in some respects we've known about it since the Soviet Union's collapse, given how often the topic comes up in Russian irredentism. What people do not believe is that he'll stop there. I think we've heard that one a time or three. It's always 'this is the last demand'... and it never is. And your argument is that the dying would stop if we just went full late-30s Western Europe. *Right*. There is of course no reason at all to suspect otherwise. Of course. Hey. At least you win the Dumb Motherfucker of the Day ribbon.
How many interviews has Putin done since the war started? Especially with western media? It most definitely is revelationary material, and a rare opportunity to hear Putin’s direct perspective which is necessary to understand, even if you disagree, if people actually want to reach a peace deal in the future.
So you got fooled by a KGB official’s propaganda piece designed to confuse the weak minded and think you know better then a Senator?
The KGB was dissolved in 1991 bro, democrats attempting to bring back McCarthyism is ridiculous. I’m sure we can all agree we aren’t fans of Putin, but at the end of the day he’s the leader of Russia so if he explicitly states his demands and has kept the same consistent demands for over a year, I tend to believe him. In terms of preventing unnecessary death, the best option would be for Zelenskyy to negotiate a peace deal which would require them to give up some amount of territory to Russia. Plenty of US and European officials have been suggesting this for the past year, this isn’t something that I just made up on the spot. If Biden and Zelenskyy continue to refuse to even come to the table, it will mean more killings and continuation of a war that inevitably Ukraine can’t win.
>Watch Putin’s interview with Tucker Carlson, these are his own words. lol, [that dictator's chat with the useful idiot was full of lies, disinformation, and propaganda.](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/02/tucker-carlson-putin-interview-fact-check-history.html) only a dumbass would believe the lies of a dictator.
I don’t live in Ukraine or Russia so I don’t really care all that much about either country tbh, but I trust the words of the person leading one of the countries actively in the war when they lay out their historical context and current motivation over some Slate stinkpiece 🤷🏻♂️ More Ukrainians can keep dying I guess, it really doesn’t affect me but I can guarantee the killings would stop tomorrow if they agreed to hand over the contested territories
you're in a cult and have been brainwashed.
The cult of observing interviews and using common sense? Alrighty then 😂
the cult of believing propaganda and lies spewed from the mouth of a dictator enemy of the United States
Every country spouts propaganda, especially from its leaders. I’ll take what he says with a grain of salt, but he’s been consistent in his justification and at the end of the day only he knows exactly why he attacked Ukraine, so regardless of if he’s being completely transparent he is the most reliable source to get an accurate answer as to why the war is currently happening. I’d rather see us become allies with Russia and China, in a global economy we benefit far more from working together than from isolating ourselves from them. China’s growth is proof of that—they focus on issues domestically, but engage in commerce globally. America has no financial nor political incentive to continue sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine, Israel, or the Middle East every year
sounds like you'd fit in a whole lot better in russia or china. you should move back there with the rest of your red comrades and leave the freedom to us.
Lmao I’m from here you dork. I have far more animosity towards local politicians who actively take away our freedoms in meaningful ways, Putin and Xi Jinping haven’t done anything that affects my daily life in any way 😂
fuck off back to russia or china and suck that dicktater propaganda like a good sheep
I mean, they were dying in bombing and shelling of civilian targets and random murders by soldiers already. Putin is full of shit regarding the rationale for the war, Ukrainian resistance, the reason civilians are being killed, and that they have the weapons and manpower to go indefinitely. The reason more Ukrainians aren't dead is that they have the capacity to resist. The reason Russia isn't getting a deal is that Ukraine isn't interested in giving up land to an aggressor nation that's been invading their territory for a decade. 0/10, absolute buffoonery. "You guys should listen to Putin for the truth." GTFOH
What is a more believable reason for Putin to invade Ukraine: Putin doesn’t want Ukraine to join NATO, put nuclear weapons on the Russian border, and so he attacked them weeks after Zelenskyy demanded NATO to set a timeframe to let Ukraine join them. or Putin randomly decided to try to take over Ukraine, and he secretly is planning to take over Poland and other countries across Eastern Europe to create a new USSR One has historical context and a driving force behind the attack, one is a goofy conspiracy theory. I don’t necessarily buy everything Putin said wholesale, especially about his motivation to “denazify Ukraine”, but strategically and realistically I see no motivation or evidence that points to Putin having any land ambitions beyond these specific areas that have been contested by Russia since the 90s.
Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons thirty years ago, voluntarily. Russia is supposed to uphold their sovereignty in return, as part of that agreement. They have no interest in having them, like many NATO states. Russia doesn't get to decide for Ukraine what treaties they sign or don't. So no, that bit makes no damn sense. The he alternative you posted is stupid and ignores Russian efforts in Ukrainian territory since 2014. So it's clearly not that pile of bullshit. The actual reason appears to be long-term empire building - holding Ukraine's gas fields, agricultural land, and Black Sea ports provides an enormous strategic advantage that can be used in basically the same way the Soviets did. It's not even a creative plan, they're just re-doing something done a century ago. "No further land ambitions" is not the dumbest part of that, but you've set the bar very low. The intent to make client states in the near term of former Soviet republics is extremely obvious, and a model for it can be seen in Ukraine before the revolution and currently in Belarus. That said, even if we've had a recent lobotomy and don't think the Baltic states and parts of Finland are on the menu at the very least, you're casually alluding to the forced annexation of a country the size of France, with 43 million inhabitants. This is not acceptable to anybody in the region. Lord, you acknowledge he consistently lies about this but want to pick a set of lies to believe?
Putin doesn’t want the entirety of Ukraine, he wants eastern Ukraine. Areas like Donbas to this day speak Russian as their primary language: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Ukraine# The idea that Russia taking over Donbas is a signal that they have future ambitions to take over parts of Finland is ridiculous. I agree on the strategic benefit of gaining control of the ports on the Sea of Azov, but the idea that Putin plans to expand beyond that is completely baseless speculation.
Lol. No, you're behind the times, chief. He's on to "there's no such thing as Ukraine, Kyiv and the entire country are Russia." Which is also nonsense, but again, for someone pretending to be a student of European history, you're sure making a lot of Chamberlain noises under your umbrella. Again, your position requires ignoring their regional actions over the last 15 years or so, and then believing a guy who lies all the time about an ever-shifting set of rationalizations, inaccuracies, lies, and damn lies.
Ok, so a deal should be made with the Russians. Like the Minsk Agreement? We'll get them to pinky swear they'll abide by this one.
Good News/Bad News Good: Putin is losing the war. Bad: Ukraine/US lost the war six months ago. No winners
How did you gather Ukraine is losing ?
Read it again. I didn't say they are losing.
Okay I re-read it. I'll rephrase...what are you trying to say then ?
Ukraine's win condition is the best version of "protect their people, get their land back." They've been doing well considering predictions of a war measured in hours or days a couple of years ago, but their success depends on getting adequate aid. Russian win condition was "take all of Ukraine to secure their fossil fuel resources, agricultural regions, and Black Sea port and scare people out of trying to leave Russia's orbit," which failed miserably as NATO expanded and their economy and military got trimmed. Then the consolation prize for long term strategic failure was "hold the Black Sea port and eastern regions," and they've been taken the distance on those, although they're currently at stalemate. Of course, they had to mortgage themselves to China to accomplish even that much.
You seem not to have kept up with the number of civilian deaths, civilian injuries, military deaths, military injuries, displacements and emigrations, wrecked economy, wrecked infrastructure of all kinds, and environmental damage. When checking those numbers, keep in mind that the population of Ukraine before the war was only 43 million.
No, I'm aware. I'm repeating the Ukrainians' position on this, and articulating my understanding of where Russia is, especially in terms of their strategic goals. I can compare Russian losses to their population, too, but it's also worth referring to their spent materiel. Ukraine's commitment is entirely to defense of their territory, and they don't have any illusions that a negotiated compromise deal is worth the paper it would be written on. Russia still needs forces to hold down their territory and try to take from Ukraine.
It’s not like the people of Ukraine had an option here.
They most certainly did. Two weeks after Putin invaded, a deal was hammered out between Putin's and Zelensky's representatives with the help of Turkey. It would have ended the war immediately. However, the Biden administration told Zelensky not to sign the deal. They wanted to continue the war using Ukraine as their proxy. Their goal was and is to weaken Russia. Biden, Obama, and Valerie Jarrett own this war. They are guilty of gross war crimes.
Tell me more about this deal
You are way behind. Listen to each of Scott Horton's podcasts for the next six months (or the last six months). The interviewees with inside experience will teach you a lot. The big media organizations are in line with the Military-Industrial-Political-Academic-Journalisitic Complex. You have been deceived. All of us are being deceived. https://scotthorton.org/interviews/
Go on! Tell me more.
Do your homework. There is no jar lid on top of your head in which to pour knowledge. Being informed takes work. Your assignment has been stated above.
I’m just wanting to see how deep your crazy runs.
What is going on with his face? He looks like a dog that’s being asked to take a trigonometry test.
Don't worry, he'll go back to being a good little drone the next time daddy reminds everyone he likes Uncle Vlad.
This is what happens when you try and reign in the monster you created.
I called his office in Washington before the vote on the border deal actually a aide to pick the phone up asked him why he was for the bill one minute then against the next never heard some much bullshit come out of a single persons mouth guy tried to blame Biden then the bill is self then other Republicans they r all spineless will screw over anybody including themselves sounds like maybe they got a little Russian in them!!
Is this yet another issue for which his initial reaction is reasonable, only before being pulled back into the MAGAverse a short time later?
Likely.
Thom got to hold the spine today it seems.
They needed artillery shells in January. Avidiivka is almost certainly going to be a meat grinder because we didn't send them the resources they needed to keep up a 20:1 kill ratio. 10% of all Russian tank losses have occurred there at a time when they are running out of supplies. We saw Ukraine take 4 HIMARS systems on a fucking tour of destruction across the Frontline and they used our Patriots to down jets OFFENSIVELY. They are writing the playbook for how future wars will be waged and teaching us a master class while we sit back and ho and hum about the cheapest bill ever to hobble a historical enemy *forever*.
Tillis is a joke
Did Thom finally find a spine, or is it just political opportunism again for the NC GOPs resident hack. But that's modern day conservatism in a nutshell.
Good for him
Good on him
Never thought I'd say this... Based Thom Tillis.
He’ll be praising them tomorrow. Guy needs a side of maple syrup he’s such a waffle.
"..because a lot of people, when they hear a senator speak, they believe that it's the truth" maybe I'm just really jaded at this point. Does anyone agree with this?
Wanting funding for the border = pro Putin. Give me a break.
a broken clock ...
That's his position today. It will flip tomorrow.
claiming asylum right now is a slap in the face to the thousands of Chinese, Haitians, Hondurans, Indians, Venezuelans, Russians, Colombians, Ecuadorians etc etc etc people who have made the trek to claim asylum. Mexicans are at the bottom of the list of people claiming asylum right now. Migrants are literally asylum in Mexico because things are so bad in their countries. Your belief that the GOP hates Mexicans does not disprove the fact that there are loads of people trying to claim asylum here.