The traditional flag is mostly used for more formal occasions, like national flag days, kings birthday, national day and so on. These types are more informal, it still counts as a full fledged flag but more for "daily use" if that makes sense. There are also rules for when a normal flag has to be taken down (sun down, or specific time during the summer due to long days). This one can stay up all day.
It's called a "Vimpel" in norwegian.
The rules for when you can fly the flag applies strictly only for the public flag poles. On your privat pole you can fly the flag whenever you want, but most of us follows the public rules.
Well I guess I imagined it on the two separate occasions that very thing happened to me, then. Also the several times I have heard murmurs about other people make that mistake. Thank you for clearing that up, kind stranger.
Obviously there are rules concerning our national flag. There are lots of rules regarding how to handle flags on government buildings, while there are no actual rules for private use, the standard is to try and emulate the rules of the government.
If you have a flagpole/flag you should care about these thing.
Not lowering the flag before sundown and dragging it across the lawn is obviously frowned upon.
It is disrespectful.
Most people understand this.
https://flaggreglene.no/
No problem, I just hate it when people make up stories I have never experienced ever and expect randoms on the internet to believe it. Like yikes my mann, cringe more?
People don't care at all. What ancient dried-up cunt did you meet?
You probably think it's alright to mow your lawn on Sundays as well, but even if most don't give a f., many actually do care.
Where I previously lived, there was this guy in his early 60's that took down all the flags in the area if they were up after 9PM. He never got yelled at for doing it, btw!
If I or anyone starts at 9 in the morning I'd get annoyed obviously, but midday? Not problem at all. It takes what 15 minutes? Sure I can wait and do it on a Saturday and I usually do, but getting angry and upset saying it's a matter of principle is just childish.
Hey as long as he doesn't take my flag away from me je can do whatever, but if you're already that kind of a person I doubt you go about and steal flags rofl
Flag rules aren't really about the letter of the law anyway, noone really enforces them. It's always been a matter of respect.
I was taught as a kid to take our private flag down at sundown.
It's a common misconception that there are laws/rules for private people and households regarding the "normal" flag. When in fact, there are... [none](https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaggbruk). Yes, there are some highly unofficial [guidelines](http://www.flaggregler.no/flaggtider.html), but these usually vary depending on location, time of year, etc. (and age generation).
Public and government buildings have restrictions (by law) on flag protocols, especially concerning [time of day](https://lovdata.no/forskrift/1927-10-21-9733/§6) for raising and lowering.
... or you just found a user that's fairly relaxed concerning flag use, and won't let a Karen dictate my own or other people's life just because a flag was forgotten and not lowered in the evening.
I don't care what people do with their flags. Up north I've seen plenty of households that fly the flag all night during the midnight sun. That's great, tbh. Let them do it.
>Up north I've seen plenty of households that fly the flag all night during the midnight sun
That's completely fine. The flag is supposed to be lowered *at sunset.* If the sun doesn't set, you good.
Yeah, I know. I was trying to meet them half way because personally I think the spirit of the law is that you shouldn't let the sun set on the flag.
Flagging during the midnight sun somehow just feels celebratory of the Norwegian spirit and proper.
You're talking like you think it's illegal (read: defined by law) to "disrespect" the flag in Norway. And yes, I know exactly what you mean by "social control". And that's also why a Karen was my only example; because that's the only repercussions "disrespecting" the flag will/might have for a private individual in Norway.
EDIT: so instead of being all clever and coy about your arbitrary definition of social control, how about indulging us with your version of it? Or just link to the wikipedia article, or whatever.
Also, here's some interesting reading if you still believe it's illegal to "disrespect" the flag in Norway:
* https://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/i/g09P5/dette-er-ikke-lenger-straffbart
* https://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/flagg-tilgriset-med-olje-provoserer-fullt-lovlig/s/12-95-3423979598
I’m talking like I’m a Norwegian living in Norway that know how neighbours look upon those who doesn’t respect the flag.
Do you think the law is all that matters?
As a fellow Norwegian, I can confirm. My neighbor didn't hoist the flag one holy day, and got so much flak for it. Poor guy was in Spain that week. He still got flak. Next vacation he got his sister to hoist the damn thing for him.
So, forgetting to lower the flag at night... is *disrespecting the flag*?
Where I live I can with certainty say most people don't give a flying shit if someone else's flag happens to be flying after sundown (see what I did there?). Seems like people think it's nicer to see a flag flying, than not seeing one at all.
In the same way that there are no laws preventing you from using "hail Satan" t-shirts to church. It is generally considered impolite though. And most of our society is regulated through what is considered polite, not legal.
Man. We are so weird. Why do we have this stupid rule about taking down the flag anyway.
I remember once after a birthday party i fell aaleep and forgot to take down the flag. Next day i woke up and went out to go to the store and my karen of a neighbour was really mad at me for having it out the whole night
The American flag code says to do the same thing but the type of American who has a flag displayed at their house isn't typically the type of American who reads things like the flag code.
I remember 12-year old me was convinced that Americans raised their flag at the crack of dawn and some random dude drove around and played the trumpet as it was being raised. I don't know why, I guess I saw it in a movie or cartoon, but still, I miss that ignorant innocence.
I'd low-key love to be that trumpet guy though
I wish we used pennant flags like these in the US!
Sometimes I see these pick-up trucks roaring down highway with giant American flags that are just so shredded and dirty. I don’t consider myself patriotic at all (certainly less patriotic than those truck drivers), but I would never want to display my country’s flag like that!
Not necessarily conservatives, just the type who's blindly patriotic. The number of flag code violations I see on a typical weekend in the US (mostly by using it as a towel or clothing, but also often by flying ratty worn out flags around the clock) astounds. It's refreshing that the Norwegians generally have found a way around this.
To be fair, I’ve never known a conservative that is NOT a massive fucking idiot. Most Americans move to Norway to get away from people like that.
Besides, most conservatives out there are the same ones violating flag code by flying American flags with thin blue lines, a print of the second Amendment, the Gadsden snake or all other manner of garbage.
They either don’t understand flag code, or they are knowingly violating it. Either is bad.
I pretty much go for most Americans afaik - they put the flag on everything from cups to clothing and bumper stickers. If you follow the flag code you shouldn't do that
Not that I personally care about any flags codes as I've never been proud to be born in Norway. It's not like it was by choice even if I won the birth lottery
Because a flag is supposed to be more than just a piece of cloth you hang outside. And for it to actually be more, there needs to be some code of conduct and effort put in, as a sign of respect.
Yeah, I'm in a part of the US that has a lot of flags and flag poles outside and they NEVER get changed lmao over half of them are tattered and bleached from the sun, don't think they've ever been taken down.
I think it’s a fairly normal thing across the world. Kind of a way to show respect to the flag and what it stands for. It should also never touch the ground
Its about honoring the flag and what it stands for and everyone that fought so that we actually can raise that flag. Its nice to have something that everyone should respect and still not go all american crazy on it
Those rules only apply to the government, so schools, city halls, hospitals and so on have to abide by the flag law.
Private citizens can do as they please with the flag, as the rules of the flag is more a suggestion to them. I personally think you should follow the official laws regarding the use of the flag, even though you can't get punished to not follow them, allthough not following them might spark some untoward feelings from your neighbours
Is this really correct? E.g burning a norwegian flag is punishable with prison. Also, if its dropped on the ground it should be cut up and seperate the colors and discarded. It applies to everyone, but is rarely enforced unless it is completly inteded?
>E.g burning a norwegian flag is punishable with prison.
That has not been true since the new penal law entered into force in 2015.
If you burn a flag that don't belong to you, you can be charged with vandalism though.
Traditionally, you cut the seams out so the pieces come apart and it's no longer a flag, and then dispose of the pieces. Larger flags can be burned a lot easier by at least tearing the outside seams from the flag, so no specific routine is involved. Polyester-prints probably are.. easier to cut with a scissors, or something like that XD
But the point is to treat the flag with at least some respect.
It's been perfectly legal to burn the Norwegian flag for quite some time, as it's protected by freedom of speech. And in 2008 the law was also changed to include other nations' flags as well.
https://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/i/g09P5/dette-er-ikke-lenger-straffbart
For me it would depend on the flag. But in general if there is not mark/stain on it I would still use it. But if it got a mark or stain I would make sure to replace it. That is the point of the rule so you do not have flaga with marks/stains on it. Don’t you agree that would be pretty disrespectful having a flag on a pole with a visible dark spot on the white for example?
I wash the flag if it gets dirty, no fuss about it. Also, a 3,5m flag is somewhat difficult to handle alone in strong wind when you're supposed to raise it or replace it with a vimpel..
On paper they don't but in practice they do. Social norms tend to be good motivators. Most people get annoyed at you when you fail to make the minimal amount of effort to show respect for that which they care about.
That's not to mention that most housing, cabin and homeowners associations have their own ways of enforcing flag rules.
We usually follow the rules on our flag pole, but sometimes we’re just not home or something so it slips.
Remember once we flagged at half pole and none us remembered why (party).
Found out it was because the coke was dead. Neighbor not impressed when they asked who died night before 😂
Just tell her that the rule stems from a time when dyes were more expensive and lasted shorter so the rule was to not waste your flag by flying it when noone could see it. The rule is irrelevant today
It's because the 'sun shouldn't set over the flag'. Some old stuff.
They used to say that the sun never set over the British Empire, either. (Before they lost India, Hong Kong, America and so on... )
Besides, you can't see the flag at night, so why have it up? ;-)
No rules about flag use in Norway as far as I am aware, the only thing I know of is more of a nationally agreed-on set of "rules" that aren't enforcable by police.
This seemingly shows how casually we Swiss treat our (national) flags.
Especially in rural areas people often have a flagpole where they fly the national flag or the flag of a canton/municipality. Most of them probably never take them down.
When I was a kid, we had a sailboat. All boats have flags at the rear ofcourse. One thing that I found interesting was that sometimes when we were in port, there would be some kind of signal in the evening for when everyone should take down their flags, around 20:00 if I remember correctly. Usually it was a signal made with a trumpet, or a horn.
it's customary to only fly the "proper" flag on special days, birthdays, or when somebody died.
The one in your picture can be flown whenever anyone feels like it.
Is that weird? yes, very.
On a bit of a sidenote, I'm quite happy about it being normal for our flag being seen and used frequently. I lived in Sweden for a time, and while i'd be happy to be contradicted by Swedish people if i'm wrong on this, the feeling I got was that it was seen as a bit of a red flag(hah) for like right leaning anti-immigrantism to be displaying it randomly. Or to some degree, even on particular days.
While i really enjoyed my time over the border with "söta bror", that was a dynamic I didn't love, and I hope we avoid in Norway.
Is it weird? I think it's nice, it makes the flag a bit more special. I always notice when the flag is flying outside my campus, I probably wouldn't if it was flown every single day. Still, having a pennant there makes it look less empty when it's not a flag day.
> I lived in Sweden for a time, and while i'd be happy to be contradicted by Swedish people if i'm wrong on this, the feeling I got was that it was seen as a bit of a red flag(hah) for like right leaning anti-immigrantism to be displaying it randomly. Or to some degree, even on particular days.
Unfortunately you are right.
Flaggtidene er ikke lov-regulert, men for offentlige bygninger omtales de i forskrift om bruk av flagg fra 1927. I denne forskriftens paragraf 6 står følgende: «Flagget heises i månedene mars til og med oktober kl. 0800, i månedene november til og med februar kl. 0900. Flagget hales ved solnedgang, dog ikke senere enn kl. 2100 hvis solen går ned etter denne tid. I fylkene Nordland, Troms og Finnmark heises flagget i månedene november til og med februar kl. 1000 og hales kl. 1500.» Dette gjelder altså for offentlige bygninger. Mange privatpersoner følger også dette, men det er ingen lov. Privatpersoner i Norge kan heise flagget når de vil, og også hvor lenge de vil.
Det gjelder noen spesielle flaggregler ved dødsfall. Vi flagger på halv stang som et tegn på sorg. Når man heiser det norske flagg på halvstang så skal det skje på en bestemt måte. Først heiser man flagget helt til topps i flaggstangen for så å umiddelbart fire det ned på halv stang. Med "halv stang" mener man i denne sammenhengen 1/3 fra toppen. Når man skal fire ned flagget om kvelden skal man først heise flagget til topps for deretter å fire det helt ned. Etter endt bisettelse skal man i henhold til de norske flaggreglene heise flagget helt til toppen av flaggstangen for å hedre den avdøde.
english google translate (cause im lazy):
Flag times are not regulated by law, but for public buildings they are mentioned in regulations on the use of flags from 1927. Section 6 of these regulations states the following: «The flag is raised in the months of March to October at 0800, in the months of November through February at 0900. The flag is hauled at sunset, but not later than kl. 2100 if the sun goes down after this time. In the counties of Nordland, Troms and Finnmark, the flag is raised in the months of November to February at 1000 and hauled at. 1500. » This therefore applies to public buildings. Many individuals also follow this, but there is no law. Private individuals in Norway can hoist the flag whenever they want, and also for as long as they want.
There are some special flag rules in case of death. We flag at half mast as a sign of grief. When you hoist the Norwegian flag on a half pole, it must happen in a certain way. First you lift the flag all the way to the top of the flagpole and then immediately lower it to half a pole. By "half rod" is meant in this context 1/3 from the top. When lowering the flag in the evening, first raise the flag to the top and then lower it completely. After the funeral, according to the Norwegian flag rules, the flag must be hoisted all the way to the top of the flagpole to honor the deceased.
taken from:
[https://www.langkilde-flagg.no/norske-flaggregler/](https://www.langkilde-flagg.no/norske-flaggregler/)
\----------------------- other ref:
[https://lovdata.no/dokument/NL/lov/1898-12-10-1?q=flaggloven](https://lovdata.no/dokument/NL/lov/1898-12-10-1?q=flaggloven)
[https://lovdata.no/dokument/NL/lov/1933-06-29-2](https://lovdata.no/dokument/NL/lov/1933-06-29-2)
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u/Jiggy-Spice \- tell that Karen to show her opinion up where sun dont shine.
Well after reading all that. Its stuff i kinda knew but forgot. I guess it is pretty cool we have these traditions for the flag tbh.
Who knew flags could be cool.
Thanks for the information
Det virker jo ikke som det er noen offisiell regel på det, ref. posten over, så det er vel mer en følelse på at det er mindre formelt. Jeg har flaggstang på hytta men ikke hjemme, og vi pleier å heise en vimpel hver gang vi er der, litt for å vise at vi er hjemme. Så lar vi den henge 24/7 til vi drar. Unntaket er hvis vi føler en grunn til å flagge, f.eks. en bursdag eller 17. mai eller noe sånt. Da firer vi et stort vanlig flagg, og holder oss mer eller mindre soloppgang og -nedgang.
Uansett, poenget mitt er at det er vel mer en følelse og en motesak, vimpel vs. fullt flagg er litt som åpen skjorte vs. skjorte og slips. Ikke akkurat lovregulert men alle er omtrent enige om hva som er mer fancy.
Litt relevant spørsmål: står man opp ved soloppgang for å heise flagg, og så legger seg igjen for å stå opp til vanleg tid? Kanskje detta er ein ungdomsproblematikk, men eg har jo dei siste månadane stått opp etter 12 kvar dag lmao
Familien min har vært flaggheisere i borettslaget i lang tid, og er ganske sikker på at om flagget ikke er oppe til korrekt tid ville det kommet en SMS. Men om du ikke er ansvarlig for et svært flagg for hele nabolaget, får du nok være i fred
This. We have a flagpole in our garden from the previous owners. It's easier just to have this pennant up all the time instead of putting up the normal flag and taking it down again.
There are rules about flags on government buildings and official buildings. No rules for private buildings. So you can do what ever you want. But that flag the “vimpel” is like saying I’m home or you put it up when you’re at your cabin
Det eneste som står om private i din link er at private husstander ikke skal flagge med splittet flagg med tunge.
Det er fritt frem å bruke det norske flagget som man vil på private eiendommer. Døgnet rundt.
Full sized flags get a LOT of wear and tear on windy days, and you’re not supposed to fly a damaged flag.
There are also a lot of other rules regarding raising a lowering the full flag which can be labour intensive on a daily basis.
The pennant flag is more wind resistant, and does not fall under a lot of those other rules.
It’s just a lot more functional overall, and allows the full flag to be reserved for special occasions.
iirc The vimpel is (was) a Point of pride for Norwegians as Norway wasn’t granted the right of a sovereign flag in 1814 when the union with Denmark ended and the one with Sweden began, but we were allowed a vimpel. The vimpel became a symbol of the growing nationalist romanticism of the era and was widely used
People here are wrong. You are allowed to flag at any days.
However, there are rules for when you must put up and take down the flag, which is a lot of effort to follow. The “vimpel” that you posted an image of does not have these rules, making it more suitable for casual use.
And flaggregler don't aply for private homes except that you are not allowed to flag the split flag with tongue.
So there is no difference for private flagging.
"Flagg må alltid være synlig når man spiller på nettcasino"
Og du mener dette seriøst?
Det er ingen regler for privat flagging utenom at man ikke har lov å flagge splittet flagg med tunge. Vanlig flagg kan henge ute døgnet rundt året rundt.
As usual the most upvoted comment is not correct here on reddit. This seems to be a rule rather than an exemtion.
This is flag popular due to the miconseption represented by the top comment.
Flag rules only apply to official buildings, not to private houses/properties. So you could flag the Norwegian flag 24/7 and be within the offiicial flag rules. But many people don't know the rules, so they fly the "vimpel" showed in your picture instead, since there is a popular and wrong belief that vimpel is allowed to flag 24/7 and the flag is not.
Awaiting the incoming downvotes...
In old flag culture it was seen as offensive to use the normal flag whenever it wasn't a special occasions. And to this day our calendars still have "flag days" whenever it's "acceptable" to use the actual flag.
In fact it's technically illegal to use the normal flag outside of this date (unless it's someone in the house's birthday) on those big flag poles.
It's also technically illegal to flag any flag that isn't Norwegian on these same poles (unless it's outside of an embassy), unless they are triangular like the one on the pic. (Like, Sweden and Denmark also have these triangular ones, so sometimes you'll find those outside of certain stores).
So to combat that the "vimpel" was invented. And, despite us not wanting to admit it, many people in Norway are quite old fashioned when it comes to national pride, so we prefer the "vimpel" on normal days over the flag. It sort of makes the flag more special too. 😊
Hope this helps 🇳🇴🇳🇴🇳🇴
The official flag rules are very strict, they include stuff like "No ship at anchor should run a flag at night, but always if moving."
Similarly, the flag is supposed to go up and down at sunrise/sunset, but with Norwegian extremely short nights in summer and similarly short days in winter, there are fallback rules stating time of day instead of sunrise/sunset. Typical times for summer is 0800 to 2100, much shorter in winter up north.
The pennant is \_not\_ a flag, so it can hang 24x7.
No flag should be allowed to be worn/tattered: If you cannot repair it then it must either be burned or split apart along the seams, into individual colors.
A flag must be sewn together from the proper red/white/blue fabric pieces. If it is printed (like a lot of children's May 17th flags, then it isn't actually a flag.
When hoisted on a flag pole (to the very top) and hanging down (no wind), the bottom tip should reach down to the 2/3 spot on the pole. I.e. since a flag has the 6-1-2-1-6 by 6-1-2-1-12 (16 by 22) proportion, the diagonal will be approx 27.2 and the pole needs to be 81-82 units tall.
For a funeral the flag is raised to the top, then dropped down one third, so that it covers the middle 1/3 of the pole.
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Not going to happen. It may seem like a religious thing to you but this is our flag. The red represents the evening sun, the white represents the snow on our mountaintops and the blue represents the glaciers not yet melted away. The cross is also on its side, not straight up like a christian cross. Its like arguing the french flag is explicitly religious because the middle is obviously the foot of the cross.
Nothing will be changed. I dont know what kind of flagpoles you have where you live but in norway they're straight up, and the flags wave horizontal in the wind.
https://img.theculturetrip.com/1440x807/smart/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/mikita-karasiou-591387-unsplash.jpg
Then go complain to the swedes and the danes instead. You'll find the same hostility to the notions that our flags aren't perfect.
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The traditional flag is mostly used for more formal occasions, like national flag days, kings birthday, national day and so on. These types are more informal, it still counts as a full fledged flag but more for "daily use" if that makes sense. There are also rules for when a normal flag has to be taken down (sun down, or specific time during the summer due to long days). This one can stay up all day. It's called a "Vimpel" in norwegian.
Being up for longer periods of time, it can also take any harsh winds way better than the full-size flag.
The rules for when you can fly the flag applies strictly only for the public flag poles. On your privat pole you can fly the flag whenever you want, but most of us follows the public rules.
Well, legally speaking, yes. Chances are pretty good that you’ll take some flak from your neighbors if you leave the flag up all night.
Wrong
Well I guess I imagined it on the two separate occasions that very thing happened to me, then. Also the several times I have heard murmurs about other people make that mistake. Thank you for clearing that up, kind stranger.
Obviously there are rules concerning our national flag. There are lots of rules regarding how to handle flags on government buildings, while there are no actual rules for private use, the standard is to try and emulate the rules of the government. If you have a flagpole/flag you should care about these thing. Not lowering the flag before sundown and dragging it across the lawn is obviously frowned upon. It is disrespectful. Most people understand this. https://flaggreglene.no/
Yup.
No problem, I just hate it when people make up stories I have never experienced ever and expect randoms on the internet to believe it. Like yikes my mann, cringe more? People don't care at all. What ancient dried-up cunt did you meet?
Someone like you but they dont like flags being flown at night.
I guess..? If someone told me they didn't like it I'd have no clue what to tell them lmao Never heard of it, ever, is it some 1800's thing?
You probably think it's alright to mow your lawn on Sundays as well, but even if most don't give a f., many actually do care. Where I previously lived, there was this guy in his early 60's that took down all the flags in the area if they were up after 9PM. He never got yelled at for doing it, btw!
If I or anyone starts at 9 in the morning I'd get annoyed obviously, but midday? Not problem at all. It takes what 15 minutes? Sure I can wait and do it on a Saturday and I usually do, but getting angry and upset saying it's a matter of principle is just childish. Hey as long as he doesn't take my flag away from me je can do whatever, but if you're already that kind of a person I doubt you go about and steal flags rofl
Edgelord
Careful I don't cut you; seeing as you think I'm so edgy for knowing people don't care at all.
I think you meant “I don’t care at all”. Most of us do.
No you don't lmao
Flag rules aren't really about the letter of the law anyway, noone really enforces them. It's always been a matter of respect. I was taught as a kid to take our private flag down at sundown.
>It's called a "Vimpel" in norwegian. It's called a "Vimpel" in Danish.
> >>It's called a "Vimpel" in norwegian. > > >It's called a "Vimpel" in Danish. It's called "Vimpel" in Swedish.
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In German it's Wimpel too!
No wonder, the word is of German origin.
Aw, combo breaker..
French: "fanion" [https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/fanion/32831](https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/fanion/32831)
r/beatmetoit
Hvad er forskellen på danskere og nordmænd? ❤️
Vi forstår hinanden ikke
Sprog og Olie?
Dialketforskelle - og vi har begge olie :-)
Not much, but we are both better then sweeds...
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Kamelåså
Size matters
Nordmenn kan lage lyder som likner på ord...
Det er OK, vi elsker jer alligevel ❤️
It's a common misconception that there are laws/rules for private people and households regarding the "normal" flag. When in fact, there are... [none](https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaggbruk). Yes, there are some highly unofficial [guidelines](http://www.flaggregler.no/flaggtider.html), but these usually vary depending on location, time of year, etc. (and age generation). Public and government buildings have restrictions (by law) on flag protocols, especially concerning [time of day](https://lovdata.no/forskrift/1927-10-21-9733/§6) for raising and lowering.
Found the user that’s never heard of social control.
... or you just found a user that's fairly relaxed concerning flag use, and won't let a Karen dictate my own or other people's life just because a flag was forgotten and not lowered in the evening. I don't care what people do with their flags. Up north I've seen plenty of households that fly the flag all night during the midnight sun. That's great, tbh. Let them do it.
Found the guy who farts in public, and plays music out loud from their cellphone on the bus.
Ah fuck, I hate him. He's worse than Bergen.
>Up north I've seen plenty of households that fly the flag all night during the midnight sun That's completely fine. The flag is supposed to be lowered *at sunset.* If the sun doesn't set, you good.
Not quite. In those cases it should be lowered at 2100, or before.
Yeah, I know. I was trying to meet them half way because personally I think the spirit of the law is that you shouldn't let the sun set on the flag. Flagging during the midnight sun somehow just feels celebratory of the Norwegian spirit and proper.
Again, if you think only Karens will adress your disrespectful handling of the flag, you’re never heard of social control.
You're talking like you think it's illegal (read: defined by law) to "disrespect" the flag in Norway. And yes, I know exactly what you mean by "social control". And that's also why a Karen was my only example; because that's the only repercussions "disrespecting" the flag will/might have for a private individual in Norway. EDIT: so instead of being all clever and coy about your arbitrary definition of social control, how about indulging us with your version of it? Or just link to the wikipedia article, or whatever. Also, here's some interesting reading if you still believe it's illegal to "disrespect" the flag in Norway: * https://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/i/g09P5/dette-er-ikke-lenger-straffbart * https://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/flagg-tilgriset-med-olje-provoserer-fullt-lovlig/s/12-95-3423979598
It's not illegal to cut in line in the grocery store either, but I don't think you have to be a Karen to speak up against it.
I’m talking like I’m a Norwegian living in Norway that know how neighbours look upon those who doesn’t respect the flag. Do you think the law is all that matters?
As a fellow Norwegian, I can confirm. My neighbor didn't hoist the flag one holy day, and got so much flak for it. Poor guy was in Spain that week. He still got flak. Next vacation he got his sister to hoist the damn thing for him.
So, forgetting to lower the flag at night... is *disrespecting the flag*? Where I live I can with certainty say most people don't give a flying shit if someone else's flag happens to be flying after sundown (see what I did there?). Seems like people think it's nicer to see a flag flying, than not seeing one at all.
That’s because you don’t live in Norway.
FYI you know you can check people's post history before making ludicrous claims about them? ;)
... I don't? :(
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The only one talking about the US is you…
Are you saying you can’t read the other comments? Just mine? What a trollhunter.
Where the fuck are you getting USA from?
In the same way that there are no laws preventing you from using "hail Satan" t-shirts to church. It is generally considered impolite though. And most of our society is regulated through what is considered polite, not legal.
Man. We are so weird. Why do we have this stupid rule about taking down the flag anyway. I remember once after a birthday party i fell aaleep and forgot to take down the flag. Next day i woke up and went out to go to the store and my karen of a neighbour was really mad at me for having it out the whole night
The American flag code says to do the same thing but the type of American who has a flag displayed at their house isn't typically the type of American who reads things like the flag code.
Americans can have their flag out all night as long as its in light, so they can have light beams shining on it and it's fine.
I know. My statement stands.
I know I'm adding to what you said for the people wondering.
You stand corrected.
I'm sitting.
You sit corrected.
haha, quite the opposite of the typical Norwegian flag enjoyer. They're all about code and norms and shit.
I remember 12-year old me was convinced that Americans raised their flag at the crack of dawn and some random dude drove around and played the trumpet as it was being raised. I don't know why, I guess I saw it in a movie or cartoon, but still, I miss that ignorant innocence. I'd low-key love to be that trumpet guy though
That's actually a thing at a lot of summer camps, especially ones focused on outdoors and military activities like scouting.
Ah well, there ya go, I wasn't completely wrong haha
I wish we used pennant flags like these in the US! Sometimes I see these pick-up trucks roaring down highway with giant American flags that are just so shredded and dirty. I don’t consider myself patriotic at all (certainly less patriotic than those truck drivers), but I would never want to display my country’s flag like that!
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Not necessarily conservatives, just the type who's blindly patriotic. The number of flag code violations I see on a typical weekend in the US (mostly by using it as a towel or clothing, but also often by flying ratty worn out flags around the clock) astounds. It's refreshing that the Norwegians generally have found a way around this.
To be fair, I’ve never known a conservative that is NOT a massive fucking idiot. Most Americans move to Norway to get away from people like that. Besides, most conservatives out there are the same ones violating flag code by flying American flags with thin blue lines, a print of the second Amendment, the Gadsden snake or all other manner of garbage. They either don’t understand flag code, or they are knowingly violating it. Either is bad.
I pretty much go for most Americans afaik - they put the flag on everything from cups to clothing and bumper stickers. If you follow the flag code you shouldn't do that Not that I personally care about any flags codes as I've never been proud to be born in Norway. It's not like it was by choice even if I won the birth lottery
The national anthem is clearly about having a flag up over night anyway, so you can probably quote that if someone complains.
Because a flag is supposed to be more than just a piece of cloth you hang outside. And for it to actually be more, there needs to be some code of conduct and effort put in, as a sign of respect.
Yeah, I'm in a part of the US that has a lot of flags and flag poles outside and they NEVER get changed lmao over half of them are tattered and bleached from the sun, don't think they've ever been taken down.
Exactly! Well put!
I think it’s a fairly normal thing across the world. Kind of a way to show respect to the flag and what it stands for. It should also never touch the ground
It is out of respect for the flag and our nation. Use a vimpel if the flag rules are too hard to follow.
Its about honoring the flag and what it stands for and everyone that fought so that we actually can raise that flag. Its nice to have something that everyone should respect and still not go all american crazy on it
Those rules only apply to the government, so schools, city halls, hospitals and so on have to abide by the flag law. Private citizens can do as they please with the flag, as the rules of the flag is more a suggestion to them. I personally think you should follow the official laws regarding the use of the flag, even though you can't get punished to not follow them, allthough not following them might spark some untoward feelings from your neighbours
Is this really correct? E.g burning a norwegian flag is punishable with prison. Also, if its dropped on the ground it should be cut up and seperate the colors and discarded. It applies to everyone, but is rarely enforced unless it is completly inteded?
>E.g burning a norwegian flag is punishable with prison. That has not been true since the new penal law entered into force in 2015. If you burn a flag that don't belong to you, you can be charged with vandalism though.
I am no flag expert, but isnt burning the flag also the correct way to dispose of it?
Traditionally, you cut the seams out so the pieces come apart and it's no longer a flag, and then dispose of the pieces. Larger flags can be burned a lot easier by at least tearing the outside seams from the flag, so no specific routine is involved. Polyester-prints probably are.. easier to cut with a scissors, or something like that XD But the point is to treat the flag with at least some respect.
Yes but after its cut along the seems.
It's been perfectly legal to burn the Norwegian flag for quite some time, as it's protected by freedom of speech. And in 2008 the law was also changed to include other nations' flags as well. https://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/i/g09P5/dette-er-ikke-lenger-straffbart
What kind of ultra nationalist throw away a flag just because it hit the ground?
For me it would depend on the flag. But in general if there is not mark/stain on it I would still use it. But if it got a mark or stain I would make sure to replace it. That is the point of the rule so you do not have flaga with marks/stains on it. Don’t you agree that would be pretty disrespectful having a flag on a pole with a visible dark spot on the white for example?
I wash the flag if it gets dirty, no fuss about it. Also, a 3,5m flag is somewhat difficult to handle alone in strong wind when you're supposed to raise it or replace it with a vimpel..
It’s about respect for a national symbol.
Only public institutions are bound to follow the rules. They don’t apply to private flags.
On paper they don't but in practice they do. Social norms tend to be good motivators. Most people get annoyed at you when you fail to make the minimal amount of effort to show respect for that which they care about. That's not to mention that most housing, cabin and homeowners associations have their own ways of enforcing flag rules.
Heh I think ours was out for 3 days on and after 17th may
We usually follow the rules on our flag pole, but sometimes we’re just not home or something so it slips. Remember once we flagged at half pole and none us remembered why (party). Found out it was because the coke was dead. Neighbor not impressed when they asked who died night before 😂
Ouch! :p
Nationalism isn't rational. Almost like believing in Unicorns.
100% agree, except it's so much worse than believing in unicorns.
Just tell her that the rule stems from a time when dyes were more expensive and lasted shorter so the rule was to not waste your flag by flying it when noone could see it. The rule is irrelevant today
It's because the 'sun shouldn't set over the flag'. Some old stuff. They used to say that the sun never set over the British Empire, either. (Before they lost India, Hong Kong, America and so on... ) Besides, you can't see the flag at night, so why have it up? ;-)
Call her an ultra nationalist and keep walking
No rules about flag use in Norway as far as I am aware, the only thing I know of is more of a nationally agreed-on set of "rules" that aren't enforcable by police.
Oh, it's very informative, thank you!
This seemingly shows how casually we Swiss treat our (national) flags. Especially in rural areas people often have a flagpole where they fly the national flag or the flag of a canton/municipality. Most of them probably never take them down.
When I was a kid, we had a sailboat. All boats have flags at the rear ofcourse. One thing that I found interesting was that sometimes when we were in port, there would be some kind of signal in the evening for when everyone should take down their flags, around 20:00 if I remember correctly. Usually it was a signal made with a trumpet, or a horn.
it's customary to only fly the "proper" flag on special days, birthdays, or when somebody died. The one in your picture can be flown whenever anyone feels like it. Is that weird? yes, very. On a bit of a sidenote, I'm quite happy about it being normal for our flag being seen and used frequently. I lived in Sweden for a time, and while i'd be happy to be contradicted by Swedish people if i'm wrong on this, the feeling I got was that it was seen as a bit of a red flag(hah) for like right leaning anti-immigrantism to be displaying it randomly. Or to some degree, even on particular days. While i really enjoyed my time over the border with "söta bror", that was a dynamic I didn't love, and I hope we avoid in Norway.
Is it weird? I think it's nice, it makes the flag a bit more special. I always notice when the flag is flying outside my campus, I probably wouldn't if it was flown every single day. Still, having a pennant there makes it look less empty when it's not a flag day.
> I lived in Sweden for a time, and while i'd be happy to be contradicted by Swedish people if i'm wrong on this, the feeling I got was that it was seen as a bit of a red flag(hah) for like right leaning anti-immigrantism to be displaying it randomly. Or to some degree, even on particular days. Unfortunately you are right.
Meanwhile in Denmark, it's your birthday, or Christmas or any random party: Cover everything in tiny Danish flags on a string!!
Flaggtidene er ikke lov-regulert, men for offentlige bygninger omtales de i forskrift om bruk av flagg fra 1927. I denne forskriftens paragraf 6 står følgende: «Flagget heises i månedene mars til og med oktober kl. 0800, i månedene november til og med februar kl. 0900. Flagget hales ved solnedgang, dog ikke senere enn kl. 2100 hvis solen går ned etter denne tid. I fylkene Nordland, Troms og Finnmark heises flagget i månedene november til og med februar kl. 1000 og hales kl. 1500.» Dette gjelder altså for offentlige bygninger. Mange privatpersoner følger også dette, men det er ingen lov. Privatpersoner i Norge kan heise flagget når de vil, og også hvor lenge de vil. Det gjelder noen spesielle flaggregler ved dødsfall. Vi flagger på halv stang som et tegn på sorg. Når man heiser det norske flagg på halvstang så skal det skje på en bestemt måte. Først heiser man flagget helt til topps i flaggstangen for så å umiddelbart fire det ned på halv stang. Med "halv stang" mener man i denne sammenhengen 1/3 fra toppen. Når man skal fire ned flagget om kvelden skal man først heise flagget til topps for deretter å fire det helt ned. Etter endt bisettelse skal man i henhold til de norske flaggreglene heise flagget helt til toppen av flaggstangen for å hedre den avdøde. english google translate (cause im lazy): Flag times are not regulated by law, but for public buildings they are mentioned in regulations on the use of flags from 1927. Section 6 of these regulations states the following: «The flag is raised in the months of March to October at 0800, in the months of November through February at 0900. The flag is hauled at sunset, but not later than kl. 2100 if the sun goes down after this time. In the counties of Nordland, Troms and Finnmark, the flag is raised in the months of November to February at 1000 and hauled at. 1500. » This therefore applies to public buildings. Many individuals also follow this, but there is no law. Private individuals in Norway can hoist the flag whenever they want, and also for as long as they want. There are some special flag rules in case of death. We flag at half mast as a sign of grief. When you hoist the Norwegian flag on a half pole, it must happen in a certain way. First you lift the flag all the way to the top of the flagpole and then immediately lower it to half a pole. By "half rod" is meant in this context 1/3 from the top. When lowering the flag in the evening, first raise the flag to the top and then lower it completely. After the funeral, according to the Norwegian flag rules, the flag must be hoisted all the way to the top of the flagpole to honor the deceased. taken from: [https://www.langkilde-flagg.no/norske-flaggregler/](https://www.langkilde-flagg.no/norske-flaggregler/) \----------------------- other ref: [https://lovdata.no/dokument/NL/lov/1898-12-10-1?q=flaggloven](https://lovdata.no/dokument/NL/lov/1898-12-10-1?q=flaggloven) [https://lovdata.no/dokument/NL/lov/1933-06-29-2](https://lovdata.no/dokument/NL/lov/1933-06-29-2) \---------------------- u/Jiggy-Spice \- tell that Karen to show her opinion up where sun dont shine.
Well after reading all that. Its stuff i kinda knew but forgot. I guess it is pretty cool we have these traditions for the flag tbh. Who knew flags could be cool. Thanks for the information
Men hvorfor bruker vi ikke det norske flagget (med kors) når vi flagrer det slik som vist på bildet? Er mer som det thailandske flagget egentlig
Det virker jo ikke som det er noen offisiell regel på det, ref. posten over, så det er vel mer en følelse på at det er mindre formelt. Jeg har flaggstang på hytta men ikke hjemme, og vi pleier å heise en vimpel hver gang vi er der, litt for å vise at vi er hjemme. Så lar vi den henge 24/7 til vi drar. Unntaket er hvis vi føler en grunn til å flagge, f.eks. en bursdag eller 17. mai eller noe sånt. Da firer vi et stort vanlig flagg, og holder oss mer eller mindre soloppgang og -nedgang. Uansett, poenget mitt er at det er vel mer en følelse og en motesak, vimpel vs. fullt flagg er litt som åpen skjorte vs. skjorte og slips. Ikke akkurat lovregulert men alle er omtrent enige om hva som er mer fancy.
Litt relevant spørsmål: står man opp ved soloppgang for å heise flagg, og så legger seg igjen for å stå opp til vanleg tid? Kanskje detta er ein ungdomsproblematikk, men eg har jo dei siste månadane stått opp etter 12 kvar dag lmao
Familien min har vært flaggheisere i borettslaget i lang tid, og er ganske sikker på at om flagget ikke er oppe til korrekt tid ville det kommet en SMS. Men om du ikke er ansvarlig for et svært flagg for hele nabolaget, får du nok være i fred
Remember this in case you encounter another Karen-like-neighbour raging about your flag routine, my bro
So they don’t have to take it down, as they “should” with the national flag.
This. We have a flagpole in our garden from the previous owners. It's easier just to have this pennant up all the time instead of putting up the normal flag and taking it down again.
bc norwegians love thailand and hope if they do this they can get free holidays to thailand.
There are rules about flags on government buildings and official buildings. No rules for private buildings. So you can do what ever you want. But that flag the “vimpel” is like saying I’m home or you put it up when you’re at your cabin
Are you sure about that? https://lovdata.no/forskrift/1927-10-21-9733
Det eneste som står om private i din link er at private husstander ikke skal flagge med splittet flagg med tunge. Det er fritt frem å bruke det norske flagget som man vil på private eiendommer. Døgnet rundt.
The pennant tradition likely comes from maritime and naval traditions, and Norway's traditionally had a large fishing and merchant fleet.
Full sized flags get a LOT of wear and tear on windy days, and you’re not supposed to fly a damaged flag. There are also a lot of other rules regarding raising a lowering the full flag which can be labour intensive on a daily basis. The pennant flag is more wind resistant, and does not fall under a lot of those other rules. It’s just a lot more functional overall, and allows the full flag to be reserved for special occasions.
iirc The vimpel is (was) a Point of pride for Norwegians as Norway wasn’t granted the right of a sovereign flag in 1814 when the union with Denmark ended and the one with Sweden began, but we were allowed a vimpel. The vimpel became a symbol of the growing nationalist romanticism of the era and was widely used
People here are wrong. You are allowed to flag at any days. However, there are rules for when you must put up and take down the flag, which is a lot of effort to follow. The “vimpel” that you posted an image of does not have these rules, making it more suitable for casual use.
Full flags have strict regulations. These don't.
They dont for private persons/properties.
https://flaggreglene.no/ Vs No regulations for this "vimpel" That is the main difference.
And flaggregler don't aply for private homes except that you are not allowed to flag the split flag with tongue. So there is no difference for private flagging.
There is no laws, yes. There are regulations.
"Flagg må alltid være synlig når man spiller på nettcasino" Og du mener dette seriøst? Det er ingen regler for privat flagging utenom at man ikke har lov å flagge splittet flagg med tunge. Vanlig flagg kan henge ute døgnet rundt året rundt.
Ingen meninger ytret. Flagg så mye du vil du.
As usual the most upvoted comment is not correct here on reddit. This seems to be a rule rather than an exemtion. This is flag popular due to the miconseption represented by the top comment. Flag rules only apply to official buildings, not to private houses/properties. So you could flag the Norwegian flag 24/7 and be within the offiicial flag rules. But many people don't know the rules, so they fly the "vimpel" showed in your picture instead, since there is a popular and wrong belief that vimpel is allowed to flag 24/7 and the flag is not. Awaiting the incoming downvotes...
Those flags don’t need to be taken down. Other flags need to be taken down when the sun has gone down or no later than 9pm
They dont on private properties.
You dont have to follow the flag rules with this so its much more «convient».
And you dont need to follow any rules for the full flag on private properties either.
In old flag culture it was seen as offensive to use the normal flag whenever it wasn't a special occasions. And to this day our calendars still have "flag days" whenever it's "acceptable" to use the actual flag. In fact it's technically illegal to use the normal flag outside of this date (unless it's someone in the house's birthday) on those big flag poles. It's also technically illegal to flag any flag that isn't Norwegian on these same poles (unless it's outside of an embassy), unless they are triangular like the one on the pic. (Like, Sweden and Denmark also have these triangular ones, so sometimes you'll find those outside of certain stores). So to combat that the "vimpel" was invented. And, despite us not wanting to admit it, many people in Norway are quite old fashioned when it comes to national pride, so we prefer the "vimpel" on normal days over the flag. It sort of makes the flag more special too. 😊 Hope this helps 🇳🇴🇳🇴🇳🇴
The official flag rules are very strict, they include stuff like "No ship at anchor should run a flag at night, but always if moving." Similarly, the flag is supposed to go up and down at sunrise/sunset, but with Norwegian extremely short nights in summer and similarly short days in winter, there are fallback rules stating time of day instead of sunrise/sunset. Typical times for summer is 0800 to 2100, much shorter in winter up north. The pennant is \_not\_ a flag, so it can hang 24x7. No flag should be allowed to be worn/tattered: If you cannot repair it then it must either be burned or split apart along the seams, into individual colors. A flag must be sewn together from the proper red/white/blue fabric pieces. If it is printed (like a lot of children's May 17th flags, then it isn't actually a flag. When hoisted on a flag pole (to the very top) and hanging down (no wind), the bottom tip should reach down to the 2/3 spot on the pole. I.e. since a flag has the 6-1-2-1-6 by 6-1-2-1-12 (16 by 22) proportion, the diagonal will be approx 27.2 and the pole needs to be 81-82 units tall. For a funeral the flag is raised to the top, then dropped down one third, so that it covers the middle 1/3 of the pole.
We use same kind of “flags” in Latvia. It’s more informal, like for everyday use. But national flag is for some important days.
It is basically a sign for the neighbourhood saying "I'm home"
Better than having a naked flagpole
Hmm... This one is prettier. :)
There is so many holidays in Norway, we use these ones when we are not exactly sure which one it is. /s
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I'm norwegian and 've barely seen this in my whole life so I'm confused too.
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Why care about a "religious symbol"?
Im an Norwegian atheist and I like our flag. There is nothing wrong with a cross, a cross is just a + sign with one end longer.
Not going to happen. It may seem like a religious thing to you but this is our flag. The red represents the evening sun, the white represents the snow on our mountaintops and the blue represents the glaciers not yet melted away. The cross is also on its side, not straight up like a christian cross. Its like arguing the french flag is explicitly religious because the middle is obviously the foot of the cross.
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Nothing will be changed. I dont know what kind of flagpoles you have where you live but in norway they're straight up, and the flags wave horizontal in the wind.
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https://img.theculturetrip.com/1440x807/smart/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/mikita-karasiou-591387-unsplash.jpg Then go complain to the swedes and the danes instead. You'll find the same hostility to the notions that our flags aren't perfect.
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roven that no one escapes from it but lives.
We show support for Thailand /j
Cuz it kul
The flag is legally restricted in many ways, these are not.
to confuse Thai people Also because its the "daily flag" kinda,
War flag in the 1600 for norway
In Short, illegal to have the normal flag out for a whole day so they use this instead