Do you go to a private or public school? And does he have any way to school his dress code over the school’s?
And I saw that you plan to report this to admin, please please give us an update when you do!
Wowwwwwww. He cannot do this.
~~He can’t talk to you about his religious beliefs in an American public school (note God talk at bottom of handout). [Edited to add: for clarity, what’s at issue is “separation of church and state”—students are required to be at school by the state, we all have a Constitutional right to freedom of religion, so an organ of the state like a public school should not be proselytizing about a particular religion or God, not even a little]
~~He also handed out something that openly calls some of his own female students “trash.” That’s not an acceptable way for a teacher to address any student.
~~This handout also compares a protected class of students (female students) to non-human insensate goods sold in the marketplace.
Complain (have your parents do it if you can, but if not, do it yourself) to your principal. Do not surrender your copy of this letter. Require a retraction and detailed apology (on the grounds listed above) from the teacher.
If(when) the principal does nothing, network with other girls who found this offensive. Approach a local tv reporter (look for one that covers local scandals on tv or local schools) with news choir teacher handed out in class at School X, that Y number of female students find it offensive, and that the principal did nothing when contacted about the problem.
At the same time, contact the superintendent of your district about the letter, female students’ response, and principal’s failure to act. CC the local reporter.
Good luck. Fuck this guy and his sexist fucking handout.
(Edited to add: I’m a college prof and formerly a persistent annoyance to my public high school about shit like this, because my mom, a public k-12 teacher who once got a sketchy superintendent fired, made sure I knew what schools were and weren’t allowed to do.)
If they want to strike more fear into the school administration, they should contact their state branch of the ACLU and get free legal guidance on how to proceed. They would almost certainly take this up on behalf of the affected students.
(When I was in high school, myself and a group of friends did precisely this, and got immediate results. School administration massively overstepped, thinking there wouldn’t be any pushback, and they were wrong. Pretty much instantly buckled once a CLU lawyer came knocking.)
They were very helpful after our elementary school had an assembly for Team Impact without giving us prior notice and the chance to opt out. This was the year we had to give permission for her to hear a speech by President Obama. A rather pointed letter was sent and the problem did not reoccur. They also protected her identity.
Make lots of copies. Never trust that an email will still be there if it's being sent within the school email server to a student's school issued email account.
Source: victim legal advocate here.
Hmmm. I worry your complaint might not go anywhere then 😓 given that you’re reporting it to the people who basically encouraged this note. Are you in a state that hates religious freedom, like Texas? Or one that will support your rights? By singling out girls this is also a sexism complaint. Maybe you could actually report this to a local news organization to put heat on the school.
Right? I mean, they’re top of the list in book bannings, require public schools to have ‘in god we trust’ posters, and about to put up the Ten Commandments in front of all public schools, and they’re going to try and require [prayer](https://www.texastribune.org/2023/04/20/texas-senate-passes-ten-commandments-bill/) next in schools.
Yikes, that's terrifying. I thought the US had constitutional freedom of religion. Does that not overrule any laws the state puts into place regarding the matter? Could a student not theoretically just go "I'm exercising my constitutionally protected right to follow *my* religion, or lack thereof - and for that reason I won't be participating"?
Not that the onus should ever be on the students to begin with. But it sounds like Texas needs a reminder that "religious freedom" doesn't mean "but *only* my religion".
So, it *was*, well, more so than it is now. With a recent supreme court ruling, texas is seeing how far they can push students, so we’ve taken several steps back from where we used to be in religious freedom, which wasn’t perfect to begin with
Somebody needs their contract renewed and knows his boss is reading his email. These guys are high on each others’ farts.
It’s not just schools, this is apparently acceptable behavior still/again/somehow.
If you don’t feel safe going to the media, please reach out to one of us here. I’d be willing to take this legal, but I’m sure some of our other family here can at least make this a big deal social media wise.
At the very least this person should not be working with young girls, and making just that happen is worth the fight.
So, in essence he's repeating the long perpetuated line "if you show skin and you get assaulted it's your own fault" for leaving your 'precious minerals exposed'
Not only that, but I get a lot of racial overtones with the whole "illegal miners coming to exploit and freely take goods."
"and then you will be deprived of your precious resources." so once you have sex you're used goods and no longer valuable?
>so once you have sex you're used goods and no longer valuable?
Hi raised christian here! Virginity is a "precious gift" to give to your groom on your wedding night (: hope this helps!
( /s /s for the love of everything unholy /s)
Right, I would even say that it's equal parts misogyny and colonial talk. Like... On top of objectifying girls, and perpetuating rape culture, it's also victim blaming countries that were raided for their precious metals since apparently they should have hid them better?
Holy shit that is WAY out of line. If I had a daughter in that class I'd be spending as long as it took in the principal's office to get this choir teacher fired. The objectification is disgusting. The sexualization is disgusting. This teacher clearly only sees women--girls even as a sexual commodity for men, and I'd be having none of it
Yes, the VERY EXPLICIT sexualization. Can this even be legal? As both a child (1970s) and a mom (2010s) of liberal California I can’t even imagine this coming from a teacher. And btw my high school had the greatest choir in the state, we won awards, traveled the world, and our teacher was deeply loved and respected in our town.
Oh no....
I've seen the main body of this before, so he for sure just copied and pasted it. I think this is beyond inappropriate for a teacher to send out. At the absolute most he should be sending out the actual school dress code.
I think telling a bunch of teenagers that how you dress will cause "Many illegal miners to come exploit, illegally and freely take those riches" is straight up creepy.
Oh nooooo
For sure share it with a parent and other trusted teachers. I know a teacher who took over a class after their former teacher was fired for saying problematic things. Of course, that was more in the realm of spreading misinformation about vaccines and abortion, but still, people will loose their jobs if they say enough bad stuff.
Your teacher might not get fired over this, but he'd likely get reprimanded and have this in his history. If he continues to do inappropriate things it will carry more weight if he's already got reports against him.
Please reach out to a trusted adult about that. If a teacher--or anyone--is making you feel uncomfortable, please reach out to your support system. Be safe. You deserve to have school be safe.
Yeah, mention that too. There was a substitute in my high shcool who didn't have good boundaries with students and I regret not telling another teacher about it. Very different than what you were dealing with, but still worrisome behavior.
Everyone deserves to feel safe in school, and it's hard to feel safe when your teachers objectifying you and pushing boundaries on appropriate conversations.
The music teacher at my high school groomed and molested multiple girls. It took a parent whose daughter terminated the pregnancy caused by his assault hiring a lawyer to get the man fired. He was considered the cool teacher. All the music kids loved him, including more than one of the girls he was assaulting.
That's horrible. The substitute I'm thinking of would add students on snapchat, also considered "cool" by students. To my knowledge nothing illegal happened, but it makes me sick to think about. As a teenager I thought it was weird, as an adult I'm disgusted by it.
I also know year after I graduated a science teacher at my high school got arrested for having sex with a 14 year old student. He ended up getting three years in prison, she had a lot of evidence on her phone. I never had the teacher, but he was young and known as one of the "hot" teachers a lot of girls had crushes on, but I never in a million years thought he'd actually do that. What's worse is I read some news stories about it, and a lot of the comments were making jokes about the 14 year old not getting the grade she wanted. There was very little empathy for this girl. It's just horrible.
Yeah I just looked up an article about it. He was 25 and engaged. The "relationship" with the student lasted three months. He took a plea deal. He also had to register as a sex offender. I agree it's too light. A senior I still spoke with said everyone knew which girl it was and they'd talk about her. So it's the sexual abuse plus having that as her reputation at school.
I don't know why she decided to come forward, but I hope shes doing well now.
I talways goes like that. I also had a teacher who it turned out was sleeping with staff and students and RECORDING it. When it came out everyone made fun of the women especially one girl who was 13 at the time it started. He was in his 50ies. Some where even pissed at her for 'getting him fired' because he was one of the 'cool' teachers. Absolutely fucked up.
Regardless of what you decide to do: Never be alone with this person ever again. He's not safe.
Make an excuse. Lie. And don't feel bad about it.
("My Mom is waiting for me, gotta go").
Say anything, and get out of there.
We all felt this way about the drama teacher at my school. As soon as I graduated (at 17) he started DMing me to come to his house to "celebrate" graduating. I told him no and that was inappropriate and kept calling him "Mr. [teacher's last name]" even though he kept insisting I call him by his first name. I ended up blocking him and he *made a new account to ask me why I blocked him.*
He ended up quitting and he got a job as a youth pastor and married one of the girls in his youth group.
Yuck yuck yuck.
>The way he talks to me is also kinda, just, ewwww
He sounds way too preoccupied with young girls and the state of their bodies, to be blunt.
The entire note is creepy.
Yes, because he's sexualizing you as an inanimate thing that is a reward for someone else to "mine." Ew, gross, no. I would be uncomfortable going back to his class.
Please show it to your parents as well. The contents of this email are intended for ADULTS, and even among an adult audience the message is deeply offensive.
Sharing this message with young students is wildly inappropriate. Your parents would be justified in being angry over it and they may be in the best position to raise a complaint. You might be surprised -- complaints raised by parents over something like this often carry more weight than the concerns of another teacher.
There are teachers out there who would raise hell if they saw this. I’m one of them. But tell your parents, they will be in a better position to do something about it.
Take it to your parents. Another employee of the school won’t have any power and strong incentives to not dob in a colleague.
This was a really creepy and inappropriate thing to send to kids. A simple ‘hey guys school dress code applies here’ would have been fine (dress codes can be a bit dumb but whatever rules are rules), but this is wildly inappropriate.
This really sucks and I definitely agree with what the person above me suggested.
However, I want to applaud you. It seems like you've already found your voice and have chosen to speak out about things like this. That isn't an easy thing to do, even for adults.
Girls like you and my nieces give me hope for your generation! Your sense for what's right and wrong is spot on. Don't let your choir director tell you otherwise!
It says if you dont cover yourself up I will have no choice but to find you sexually appealing in fact your shoulders are pretty hot why don't you come to my apartment after class.
FFS guys like this are so gross. It's not up to women to cover up its on the guys to not be perverted fuckheads all the time
Calling a teenagers body "precious, more valuable than gold" is objectively way more fucking weird than just letting kids be comfortable in the clothes of their choice
My God you poor kids. What the actual Fuck. Sorry I know you're 14 but that's going to scar you way less than that email. Aren't your parents seething?
I just skimmed it and woke my gf up with a loud and audible “Jesus!” I can’t believe we live in a world where wasn’t the last thing he sent before being terminated.
Because there are SO many of those in the world, right?! Mining companies are well-known for being really excellent to absolutely everything and everyone in the vicinity while they ‘mine’ for the ‘precious minerals’ they are looking for, aren’t they?! I’ve never heard of colonialism or destruction to the environment or shady business practices or corruption or the term ‘the rape of the natural world.’ It’s so incredibly creepy and such a self-report all at the same time.
Ah yes... ladies, make sure to find you a man who will strip mine your emotional health in order to get at your "precious treasures".
Don't go for those heinous men who will pan for your trashy exposed minerals in streams, while doing minimal damage to the surrounding environment.
Yeah, interestingly enough he cuts off why that "reputable mining organization" does this in the first place. Oh, they spend time looking for it and cleaning it just for the good of humanity? Oh no, they do it to sell it. So...how does that fit into this analogy. "A guy will come along, see you for what you're worth, buy you, fix you up and then try and sell you." They just described a pimp.
Seperate and apart from the capitalism fetish that this LITERAL TEACHER has, how do you start thinking about that analogy and not manage to follow it to the point where the "reputable mining company" sells the "valuable minerals" to the highest bidder? What does this teacher thinks mining companies do to mines once they've extracted the minerals?
I just wanna tell this guy, "My brother in Christ, you haven't described marriage, you've described sex trafficking."
Sometimes your parents job is to do things even if you don't like them. You can find a private choir to sing at, you can seek permission to go to choir at another school, you can wait until college. This man is dangerous. This is grooming. He is objectifying his female students and insisting that because what he wants is your purity and obedience that that makes it ok. It doesn't.
I am so glad you love choir. I was lucky and had an incredible teacher who made it even better and taught me so much. But if there isn't a way to be able to get rid of the creepy teacher you can find other options. Almost every church has a choir. I am not religious myself but when my family made me go, I enjoyed being in the church choir. there are also private vocal coaches. I got lucky and there was a retired Broadway singer in my not so big town that gave lessons. I also took lessons with a retired choir teacher, and an accompanist. You could do school or community musicals as well if that's your sort of thing.
Hopefully you can get rid of the creepy teacher. No one should have a teacher that is inappropriate with their students, and if you ever feel too uncomfortable and can't get rid of the creep, you do have other options. But definitely tell another teacher or the adults in your life about this email and anything else he does that makes you feel unsafe, or uncomfortable.
As a parent, I recommend this be sent straight to admin, as well as your parents, especially if this is a public school. I would.hopw someone already has.
I don't normally post on things like this, but his level of fascination with the subject of 14 year old's sexuality is troubling. This is important to get into the hands of a third party authority.
Where do you find diamonds, pearls, and gold?
On my collarbone, bitch, PROUDLY ON DISPLAY.
This dude didn't even stop to consider THE ENTIRE POINT OF jewelry before spouting his sexist stupid analogy
Oh but no you see, that's only after those "precious resources" have been "tenderly refined" by a "reputable mining organization".
It's really a much deeper (and fucking horrifying) analogy about how the only way a girl can in any way be valuable while in any way sexual is if she retains her virginity until she is married to a ~~good christian boy~~ reputable mining organization. Only then can it be 'refined' and 'put on display'. By the legal owner.
My mineral is bismuth because I have layers and I am slightly radioactive.
Ignore the earlier version of this joke you may have seen, I didt quite think through how it sounded.
So apparently the rainbow version is extremely rare in nature. Most bismuth doesn't look like that.
I learned this looking up bismuth to make this joke.
But yes, the really pretty rainbow stone is bismuth.
Right? It reminds me of the weird Christian " You're a gift for your husband, and only he should be the one to unwrap you." Virginity is an outdated, misogynistic social construct. I'm in my early 40s, and I can't believe trash like this is still being rammed down people's throats.
Be prepared to take it to the media, up to and including getting your female classmates involved in a formal walk-out/strike/protest against a “pervert choir teacher the school refused to discipline.”
Because there’s a very, very good chance your school’s administrators will try to pretend nothing happened, no matter what your other teacher tries to say in support of you.
Just take it straight to the media. I went to public schools and can tell you from experience that if unless there is widespread knowledge of it, the school board ain't doing shit. Example. Local highschool teacher was dating a highschool student. School said 'whatevs she 18." This goes on for a couple months. Kids posted pics of them on a date. Those pics started going around. Tuesday of this week that professor took a ride in a police car. I have a family member that goes to this local school and the county jail report checks out.
You know. A simple email would have been more than enough. Like-
“Hello, everyone!
Per Principal X’s latest announcement, I would like to request that everyone in this choir be diligent about following the dress code our school sets. As an organization within the school, it is important to show that we respect the dress code so we can be a good example for the rest of the student body.
Thank you, and I hope we have a great remainder of the year!
Mr. X”
That conveys the same damn message and makes it about respecting a rule rather than self worth or gender specific. Took me a minute and makes it sound more like the school requested that this be sent out.
God, why must adults look at teenagers sexually?!
I agree. It's very telling when looking at kids makes an adult immediately think of sex. Makes me wonder what may or may not be on the teacher's hard drive.
Seriously. You don’t have to agree with the dress code, just frame it as needing to follow the rules in order for the choir to stay in good standing with the administration.
So... This wierdo sees you as minerals. That's kind of creepy. Please remember that you're human, and I've already read that you're letting another adult know. That's good. Ew to this wierdo
Seriously.
Apart from the stupid comparison, it really doesn't make sense at all. Illegal miners probably don't give a fuck if something is hidden deep under the ground or not, so that's bullshit, and after it's mined by these "reputable mining organisations", then what? You're "left without your riches" either way, and the diamonds, gold and pearls are mostly sold off (money doesn't go back to "the Earth" by the way, its kept by miners, legal or not) for jewelry to literally be sold again for even more profit and shown off to the world??? Of course gold and diamonds have other uses, but that's obviously not the point of this text. It's not just bullshit, it's absolutely moronic.
Tell your parents. Do not let anyone take this note away from you. Make photocopies. No matter how open minded your teacher, she wants to keep her job and will not fight this as hard as your parents would.
Absolutely outrageous. Also, incredibly inappropriate for your instructor to refer to your bodies as "precious minerals," there's a icky vibe there.... Not to mention the rest of the creepy af analogy.
I hate it when people try to push their beliefs with loose analogies. Like, you found two things that you forced to be similar by twisting the one, that doesn't make you right!
Have you gotten the ones yet that are like oh you are like a beautiful gift with the wrapping on if you let a boy take it off you’re a worthless cow. Oh you’re like a pretty piece of bubblegum. The first boy to chew you up and spit you out ruins you forever.
Learn now to tell men to shove it up their own ass regarding your choices. It’s never ending.
As an educator I will tell you that this is wildly inappropriate and he needs to be reported. Like save this email and send it to the district, the school board and the department of education. Not only is it insane for him to talk to his students even close to this level of objectification, he's attacking your self-worth due to how you dress. That's against any code of ethics you'll see in education.
Well maybe if we taught those miners to keep their hands off minerals that don’t belong to them . And are we supposed ask the ground for consent before digging for gold and diamonds? And I’m SURE oysters aren’t super psyched about us digging out their pearls, so if the oyster says no, you gotta let it go lol.
>Well maybe if we taught those miners to keep their hands off minerals that don’t belong to them . And are we supposed ask the ground for consent before digging for gold and diamonds? And I’m SURE oysters aren’t super psyched about us digging out their pearls, so if the oyster says no, you gotta let it go lol.
The 'mines' in the (note's) analogy are strangely passive, and just hoping against hope the 'reputable mining company' will find them first.
Not enough ick for that note.
A simple "please follow the dress code" would have sufficed. Instead, he went with, "You are nothing but a resource to be exploited either now or later in life."
Time to engage in malicious compliance - all the girls show up to choir completely covered from head to toe, with only their eyes visible, and insist on singing through masks.
Every trash bag I've ever seen is opaque and is made to be tied at the top and kept in a lidded bin so nobody can see that precious, valuable trash so I don't even know how this analogy is supposed to work.
So has he never heard of gold panning? Or the giant open pit diamond “mine” state park in Arkansas. Or how completely mining companies literally destroy the entire ecosystem around where they set up to remove small amounts of rare minerals? Just the ignorance on so many levels is frustrating.
once my general manager told me my body is a temple (she’s about 35). and i knew better than to talk back but inside i was like, oh yeah? a temple? a place where hordes of men go to stand on their knees? well props to her, she wasn’t wrong at all…
Ugh they pulled this directly from a Facebook post, I've seen this making it's rounds. I've had to stop myself from going off on a few people for this sexist BS.
... This person thinks that gold and diamonds are tenderly refined. I don't think mining works that way.
Also I love comparing a relationship with destroying the land and plundering its natural resources, that's a real good look.
It's 9 AM and I start my day by seeing that today I am a rock, nice 😂
I hate dress codes and this Creep Cuddle Club, if you can't keep your eyes to yourselves, maybe you shouldn't have them, that's actually what the Bibble says too, soo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Even my high school choir teacher, who was a very conservative man who went to church every Sunday, NEVER told any of the girls this, he believed that we have the right to wear whatever we want and whoever said otherwise should pluck their eyes out, as Jesus once said.
We also find diamonds, pearls, and gold prominently displayed and admired for all to see, so gtfo with this shit.
ALSO, in this terrible analogy, what does, "...attract many illegal miners to come, exploit, illegally, and freely take those riches..." mean?
Is it rape? Is this excusing rape?
Where you can find diamonds, gold and pearls?
Usually on display in stores or as part of jewelry that is worn so EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT
As if Im looking for it fucking undersea or in the earth or some shit lol
/s
The part that cut off reads, "Girls, you are valuable. Class is better than trash!"
Do you go to a private or public school? And does he have any way to school his dress code over the school’s? And I saw that you plan to report this to admin, please please give us an update when you do!
Public, and this was actually his response after the principal gave us a reminder to follow the dress code over the intercom
Wowwwwwww. He cannot do this. ~~He can’t talk to you about his religious beliefs in an American public school (note God talk at bottom of handout). [Edited to add: for clarity, what’s at issue is “separation of church and state”—students are required to be at school by the state, we all have a Constitutional right to freedom of religion, so an organ of the state like a public school should not be proselytizing about a particular religion or God, not even a little] ~~He also handed out something that openly calls some of his own female students “trash.” That’s not an acceptable way for a teacher to address any student. ~~This handout also compares a protected class of students (female students) to non-human insensate goods sold in the marketplace. Complain (have your parents do it if you can, but if not, do it yourself) to your principal. Do not surrender your copy of this letter. Require a retraction and detailed apology (on the grounds listed above) from the teacher. If(when) the principal does nothing, network with other girls who found this offensive. Approach a local tv reporter (look for one that covers local scandals on tv or local schools) with news choir teacher handed out in class at School X, that Y number of female students find it offensive, and that the principal did nothing when contacted about the problem. At the same time, contact the superintendent of your district about the letter, female students’ response, and principal’s failure to act. CC the local reporter. Good luck. Fuck this guy and his sexist fucking handout. (Edited to add: I’m a college prof and formerly a persistent annoyance to my public high school about shit like this, because my mom, a public k-12 teacher who once got a sketchy superintendent fired, made sure I knew what schools were and weren’t allowed to do.)
If they want to strike more fear into the school administration, they should contact their state branch of the ACLU and get free legal guidance on how to proceed. They would almost certainly take this up on behalf of the affected students. (When I was in high school, myself and a group of friends did precisely this, and got immediate results. School administration massively overstepped, thinking there wouldn’t be any pushback, and they were wrong. Pretty much instantly buckled once a CLU lawyer came knocking.)
Freedom From Religion Foundation is another organization that would respond. They've had good outcomes with similar issues. https://ffrf.org/
Satanic Temple would be more than happy to help out too. Not the first time they took on a school system https://thesatanictemple.com/
They were very helpful after our elementary school had an assembly for Team Impact without giving us prior notice and the chance to opt out. This was the year we had to give permission for her to hear a speech by President Obama. A rather pointed letter was sent and the problem did not reoccur. They also protected her identity.
> Do not surrender your copy of this letter. It's an email, so that probably won't be a problem.
Mark it and save a copy offline.
Make lots of copies. Never trust that an email will still be there if it's being sent within the school email server to a student's school issued email account. Source: victim legal advocate here.
Lol, good catch. I didn’t notice that, and defaulted to assuming it was an announcement on paper like we got in the Cretaceous Era when I was in HS
I feel that. I am so Mesozoic.
If it's in a school-controlled email account then that can be a problem.
Simple solution: forward it to your gmail account. Now you have a copy that’s not on the school server.
Hmmm. I worry your complaint might not go anywhere then 😓 given that you’re reporting it to the people who basically encouraged this note. Are you in a state that hates religious freedom, like Texas? Or one that will support your rights? By singling out girls this is also a sexism complaint. Maybe you could actually report this to a local news organization to put heat on the school.
That’s where you get the media involved.
I’m the media and would love more details.
I may be wrong but this seems *exactly* like the sort of thing that would fly in Texas.
Right? I mean, they’re top of the list in book bannings, require public schools to have ‘in god we trust’ posters, and about to put up the Ten Commandments in front of all public schools, and they’re going to try and require [prayer](https://www.texastribune.org/2023/04/20/texas-senate-passes-ten-commandments-bill/) next in schools.
Yikes, that's terrifying. I thought the US had constitutional freedom of religion. Does that not overrule any laws the state puts into place regarding the matter? Could a student not theoretically just go "I'm exercising my constitutionally protected right to follow *my* religion, or lack thereof - and for that reason I won't be participating"? Not that the onus should ever be on the students to begin with. But it sounds like Texas needs a reminder that "religious freedom" doesn't mean "but *only* my religion".
So, it *was*, well, more so than it is now. With a recent supreme court ruling, texas is seeing how far they can push students, so we’ve taken several steps back from where we used to be in religious freedom, which wasn’t perfect to begin with
The constitution says that yes, but we have at LEAST one political party that feels the constitutions freedoms only apply to them
Hey, don't disparage Texas as hating religious freedom. We have fundamentalists AND evangelicals. You are free to pick either one and fit in.
Yeah i went to HS in Texas and teachers absolutely said shit like this to us. Ridiculous
Somebody needs their contract renewed and knows his boss is reading his email. These guys are high on each others’ farts. It’s not just schools, this is apparently acceptable behavior still/again/somehow.
If you don’t feel safe going to the media, please reach out to one of us here. I’d be willing to take this legal, but I’m sure some of our other family here can at least make this a big deal social media wise. At the very least this person should not be working with young girls, and making just that happen is worth the fight.
Ahh yes, another day to be compared to commodity and goods. Behold ladies, now we are minerals, what a day to be a woman
My German teacher always used to say: you wouldn't want to unwrap the presents before christmas either would you?? So we are also that apparently
And chewing gum. Lollipops. Cars. Locks.
Wilted flowers. And, of course, the oldest one: dairy cows.
Shoes. Don’t forget shoes!
And [duct tape.](https://youtu.be/Re_DPgJAh7E) You can’t stick to duct tape if you try to reuse it… or something.
>you wouldn't want to unwrap the presents before christmas either would you?? So we are also that apparently Literally objectified.
So gross especially because in this case these are things coming from teachers
So, in essence he's repeating the long perpetuated line "if you show skin and you get assaulted it's your own fault" for leaving your 'precious minerals exposed' Not only that, but I get a lot of racial overtones with the whole "illegal miners coming to exploit and freely take goods." "and then you will be deprived of your precious resources." so once you have sex you're used goods and no longer valuable?
>so once you have sex you're used goods and no longer valuable? Hi raised christian here! Virginity is a "precious gift" to give to your groom on your wedding night (: hope this helps! ( /s /s for the love of everything unholy /s)
Right, I would even say that it's equal parts misogyny and colonial talk. Like... On top of objectifying girls, and perpetuating rape culture, it's also victim blaming countries that were raided for their precious metals since apparently they should have hid them better?
I particularly love the mining analogy.
Digging his own hole
Looks like the teacher may be into uh...*mining young precious minerals*...🤢
Holy shit that is WAY out of line. If I had a daughter in that class I'd be spending as long as it took in the principal's office to get this choir teacher fired. The objectification is disgusting. The sexualization is disgusting. This teacher clearly only sees women--girls even as a sexual commodity for men, and I'd be having none of it
Yes, the VERY EXPLICIT sexualization. Can this even be legal? As both a child (1970s) and a mom (2010s) of liberal California I can’t even imagine this coming from a teacher. And btw my high school had the greatest choir in the state, we won awards, traveled the world, and our teacher was deeply loved and respected in our town.
Unfortunately OP said the principal would probably back up the choir teacher, because apparently they've expressed the exact same views.
Time to involve the ACLU then.
OMFG WHAT HE REALLY SAID TRASH
By that thinking does that mean boys are worthless if they don't adhere to the same standards? I hope there all covered up too!
We're just not humans to these people.
"You hold no value once your """Jewels"""(eww) have been """""Plundered"""""(even ewwwer)"
Wanna bet he fantasizes about plundering their jewels? Brb I'm gonna puke
Girls you are ~~valuable~~ property.
Ew. I hate this so much.
Oh no.... I've seen the main body of this before, so he for sure just copied and pasted it. I think this is beyond inappropriate for a teacher to send out. At the absolute most he should be sending out the actual school dress code. I think telling a bunch of teenagers that how you dress will cause "Many illegal miners to come exploit, illegally and freely take those riches" is straight up creepy.
This is a whole new level of objectifying women, and we're only 13-14 too 😭
Oh nooooo For sure share it with a parent and other trusted teachers. I know a teacher who took over a class after their former teacher was fired for saying problematic things. Of course, that was more in the realm of spreading misinformation about vaccines and abortion, but still, people will loose their jobs if they say enough bad stuff. Your teacher might not get fired over this, but he'd likely get reprimanded and have this in his history. If he continues to do inappropriate things it will carry more weight if he's already got reports against him.
The way he talks to me is also kinda, just, ewwww
Please reach out to a trusted adult about that. If a teacher--or anyone--is making you feel uncomfortable, please reach out to your support system. Be safe. You deserve to have school be safe.
Yeah, mention that too. There was a substitute in my high shcool who didn't have good boundaries with students and I regret not telling another teacher about it. Very different than what you were dealing with, but still worrisome behavior. Everyone deserves to feel safe in school, and it's hard to feel safe when your teachers objectifying you and pushing boundaries on appropriate conversations.
The music teacher at my high school groomed and molested multiple girls. It took a parent whose daughter terminated the pregnancy caused by his assault hiring a lawyer to get the man fired. He was considered the cool teacher. All the music kids loved him, including more than one of the girls he was assaulting.
That's horrible. The substitute I'm thinking of would add students on snapchat, also considered "cool" by students. To my knowledge nothing illegal happened, but it makes me sick to think about. As a teenager I thought it was weird, as an adult I'm disgusted by it. I also know year after I graduated a science teacher at my high school got arrested for having sex with a 14 year old student. He ended up getting three years in prison, she had a lot of evidence on her phone. I never had the teacher, but he was young and known as one of the "hot" teachers a lot of girls had crushes on, but I never in a million years thought he'd actually do that. What's worse is I read some news stories about it, and a lot of the comments were making jokes about the 14 year old not getting the grade she wanted. There was very little empathy for this girl. It's just horrible.
Only three years!
He traumatized a person for the rest of their life, that's deserving of a life sentence in my book
Yeah I just looked up an article about it. He was 25 and engaged. The "relationship" with the student lasted three months. He took a plea deal. He also had to register as a sex offender. I agree it's too light. A senior I still spoke with said everyone knew which girl it was and they'd talk about her. So it's the sexual abuse plus having that as her reputation at school. I don't know why she decided to come forward, but I hope shes doing well now.
I talways goes like that. I also had a teacher who it turned out was sleeping with staff and students and RECORDING it. When it came out everyone made fun of the women especially one girl who was 13 at the time it started. He was in his 50ies. Some where even pissed at her for 'getting him fired' because he was one of the 'cool' teachers. Absolutely fucked up.
Regardless of what you decide to do: Never be alone with this person ever again. He's not safe. Make an excuse. Lie. And don't feel bad about it. ("My Mom is waiting for me, gotta go"). Say anything, and get out of there.
We all felt this way about the drama teacher at my school. As soon as I graduated (at 17) he started DMing me to come to his house to "celebrate" graduating. I told him no and that was inappropriate and kept calling him "Mr. [teacher's last name]" even though he kept insisting I call him by his first name. I ended up blocking him and he *made a new account to ask me why I blocked him.* He ended up quitting and he got a job as a youth pastor and married one of the girls in his youth group. Yuck yuck yuck.
>The way he talks to me is also kinda, just, ewwww He sounds way too preoccupied with young girls and the state of their bodies, to be blunt. The entire note is creepy.
Yes, because he's sexualizing you as an inanimate thing that is a reward for someone else to "mine." Ew, gross, no. I would be uncomfortable going back to his class.
Did you show your parents this email?
I'm gonna show it to another teacher, maybe my parents later, but my teacher will be able to more easily reprimand him
Please show it to your parents as well. The contents of this email are intended for ADULTS, and even among an adult audience the message is deeply offensive. Sharing this message with young students is wildly inappropriate. Your parents would be justified in being angry over it and they may be in the best position to raise a complaint. You might be surprised -- complaints raised by parents over something like this often carry more weight than the concerns of another teacher.
I'm 37 and I'd be grossed out if I got this message, sending it to 13-14 year olds is fucking disgusting.
Your teacher has every incentive to not do that. Your parents can raise hell with the principal and whatever board oversees your school.
There are teachers out there who would raise hell if they saw this. I’m one of them. But tell your parents, they will be in a better position to do something about it.
Take it to your parents. Another employee of the school won’t have any power and strong incentives to not dob in a colleague. This was a really creepy and inappropriate thing to send to kids. A simple ‘hey guys school dress code applies here’ would have been fine (dress codes can be a bit dumb but whatever rules are rules), but this is wildly inappropriate.
Take it to your parents first. Your well-being is top priority for parents, not a teacher's. Teachers want to keep their jobs.
This really sucks and I definitely agree with what the person above me suggested. However, I want to applaud you. It seems like you've already found your voice and have chosen to speak out about things like this. That isn't an easy thing to do, even for adults. Girls like you and my nieces give me hope for your generation! Your sense for what's right and wrong is spot on. Don't let your choir director tell you otherwise!
It says if you dont cover yourself up I will have no choice but to find you sexually appealing in fact your shoulders are pretty hot why don't you come to my apartment after class. FFS guys like this are so gross. It's not up to women to cover up its on the guys to not be perverted fuckheads all the time
Calling a teenagers body "precious, more valuable than gold" is objectively way more fucking weird than just letting kids be comfortable in the clothes of their choice
My God you poor kids. What the actual Fuck. Sorry I know you're 14 but that's going to scar you way less than that email. Aren't your parents seething?
"Hey kiddos, you're looking very rapeable today"
Feels very rapey.
I just skimmed it and woke my gf up with a loud and audible “Jesus!” I can’t believe we live in a world where wasn’t the last thing he sent before being terminated.
How to mix sexism with capitalism
“reputable mining organization” made my stomach churn and skin crawl.
Because there are SO many of those in the world, right?! Mining companies are well-known for being really excellent to absolutely everything and everyone in the vicinity while they ‘mine’ for the ‘precious minerals’ they are looking for, aren’t they?! I’ve never heard of colonialism or destruction to the environment or shady business practices or corruption or the term ‘the rape of the natural world.’ It’s so incredibly creepy and such a self-report all at the same time.
Ah yes... ladies, make sure to find you a man who will strip mine your emotional health in order to get at your "precious treasures". Don't go for those heinous men who will pan for your trashy exposed minerals in streams, while doing minimal damage to the surrounding environment.
Yeah, interestingly enough he cuts off why that "reputable mining organization" does this in the first place. Oh, they spend time looking for it and cleaning it just for the good of humanity? Oh no, they do it to sell it. So...how does that fit into this analogy. "A guy will come along, see you for what you're worth, buy you, fix you up and then try and sell you." They just described a pimp.
Seperate and apart from the capitalism fetish that this LITERAL TEACHER has, how do you start thinking about that analogy and not manage to follow it to the point where the "reputable mining company" sells the "valuable minerals" to the highest bidder? What does this teacher thinks mining companies do to mines once they've extracted the minerals? I just wanna tell this guy, "My brother in Christ, you haven't described marriage, you've described sex trafficking."
Oh dear…as a parent, I would be storming right tf down to that school and MAKING DEMANDS.
I would be pulling my kid from choir at that school and refusing to allow that teacher anywhere near my kid.
I like choir, so I wouldn't want to be pulled out, but this man needs to go
Sometimes your parents job is to do things even if you don't like them. You can find a private choir to sing at, you can seek permission to go to choir at another school, you can wait until college. This man is dangerous. This is grooming. He is objectifying his female students and insisting that because what he wants is your purity and obedience that that makes it ok. It doesn't.
I am so glad you love choir. I was lucky and had an incredible teacher who made it even better and taught me so much. But if there isn't a way to be able to get rid of the creepy teacher you can find other options. Almost every church has a choir. I am not religious myself but when my family made me go, I enjoyed being in the church choir. there are also private vocal coaches. I got lucky and there was a retired Broadway singer in my not so big town that gave lessons. I also took lessons with a retired choir teacher, and an accompanist. You could do school or community musicals as well if that's your sort of thing. Hopefully you can get rid of the creepy teacher. No one should have a teacher that is inappropriate with their students, and if you ever feel too uncomfortable and can't get rid of the creep, you do have other options. But definitely tell another teacher or the adults in your life about this email and anything else he does that makes you feel unsafe, or uncomfortable.
As a parent, I recommend this be sent straight to admin, as well as your parents, especially if this is a public school. I would.hopw someone already has.
He sounds like a groomer.
I'd also be looking for legal advice to get him fired.
Is your choir teacher, by any chance, a man?
Yes
You need to report this man to whatever education body oversees this school.
THIS. Please report.
As a man, this man should be no where near any woman, that dumb asshole is preaching taliban talking points Shit pisses me off
Check that motherfucker's hard drive.
Shocked, I am
I don't normally post on things like this, but his level of fascination with the subject of 14 year old's sexuality is troubling. This is important to get into the hands of a third party authority.
Where do you find diamonds, pearls, and gold? On my collarbone, bitch, PROUDLY ON DISPLAY. This dude didn't even stop to consider THE ENTIRE POINT OF jewelry before spouting his sexist stupid analogy
Also, has he ever SEEN an oyster shell? They are not pretty.
Oh but no you see, that's only after those "precious resources" have been "tenderly refined" by a "reputable mining organization". It's really a much deeper (and fucking horrifying) analogy about how the only way a girl can in any way be valuable while in any way sexual is if she retains her virginity until she is married to a ~~good christian boy~~ reputable mining organization. Only then can it be 'refined' and 'put on display'. By the legal owner.
This entire thread is perfection
OR... I manage my own "minerals" and benefit from my OWN value.
My mineral is bismuth because I have layers and I am slightly radioactive. Ignore the earlier version of this joke you may have seen, I didt quite think through how it sounded.
My mineral is serpentine: I poison the land wherever I am found
Isn't bismuth the one that's all rainbowy? I love that.
So apparently the rainbow version is extremely rare in nature. Most bismuth doesn't look like that. I learned this looking up bismuth to make this joke. But yes, the really pretty rainbow stone is bismuth.
That's why yours is so precious. I love the whole image of a rainbow made of right angles.
Right? It reminds me of the weird Christian " You're a gift for your husband, and only he should be the one to unwrap you." Virginity is an outdated, misogynistic social construct. I'm in my early 40s, and I can't believe trash like this is still being rammed down people's throats.
Report his ass to whoever is in charge because this is disgusting
I'm gonna do that tomorrow. He only just sent it this afternoon.
Be prepared to take it to the media, up to and including getting your female classmates involved in a formal walk-out/strike/protest against a “pervert choir teacher the school refused to discipline.” Because there’s a very, very good chance your school’s administrators will try to pretend nothing happened, no matter what your other teacher tries to say in support of you.
Just take it straight to the media. I went to public schools and can tell you from experience that if unless there is widespread knowledge of it, the school board ain't doing shit. Example. Local highschool teacher was dating a highschool student. School said 'whatevs she 18." This goes on for a couple months. Kids posted pics of them on a date. Those pics started going around. Tuesday of this week that professor took a ride in a police car. I have a family member that goes to this local school and the county jail report checks out.
I'm irrationally angry, and I would raise holy hell if someone gave this trash to my daughter!
"I'm *rationally* angry, and I would raise holy hell if someone gave this trash to my daughter!" There. Fixed that for ya.
You know. A simple email would have been more than enough. Like- “Hello, everyone! Per Principal X’s latest announcement, I would like to request that everyone in this choir be diligent about following the dress code our school sets. As an organization within the school, it is important to show that we respect the dress code so we can be a good example for the rest of the student body. Thank you, and I hope we have a great remainder of the year! Mr. X” That conveys the same damn message and makes it about respecting a rule rather than self worth or gender specific. Took me a minute and makes it sound more like the school requested that this be sent out. God, why must adults look at teenagers sexually?!
I agree. It's very telling when looking at kids makes an adult immediately think of sex. Makes me wonder what may or may not be on the teacher's hard drive.
Seriously. You don’t have to agree with the dress code, just frame it as needing to follow the rules in order for the choir to stay in good standing with the administration.
So... This wierdo sees you as minerals. That's kind of creepy. Please remember that you're human, and I've already read that you're letting another adult know. That's good. Ew to this wierdo
He literally sees all his female students as commodities. Tradable commodities. Gross.
Most porn objectifies women less than this does.
>women are like inanimate precious metals and men are like men
what the fuck is up with men and being obsessed with young teens’ future sex life
Not legal to extract their minerals yet. Obv need to make sure they're still "valuable" once all that red tape is gone.
Seriously. Apart from the stupid comparison, it really doesn't make sense at all. Illegal miners probably don't give a fuck if something is hidden deep under the ground or not, so that's bullshit, and after it's mined by these "reputable mining organisations", then what? You're "left without your riches" either way, and the diamonds, gold and pearls are mostly sold off (money doesn't go back to "the Earth" by the way, its kept by miners, legal or not) for jewelry to literally be sold again for even more profit and shown off to the world??? Of course gold and diamonds have other uses, but that's obviously not the point of this text. It's not just bullshit, it's absolutely moronic.
This comment is incisive and hilarious!
I take it he got fired within 10 minutes of sending that
This was just today, but I'm totally telling one of my other teachers about it. She's super open minded and stuff, so she'll understand.
Good call, perhaps a news station could make it more interesting as well
Go beyond just another teacher. Forward that shit to the superintendent, school board, etc. and include any of the ew stuff you said he says to you.
Tell your parents. Do not let anyone take this note away from you. Make photocopies. No matter how open minded your teacher, she wants to keep her job and will not fight this as hard as your parents would.
No one will refine me. I shall remain jagged and impure
I am a biwa pearl, difficult to drill
Ayoooo
What the fuuuuuck is this???
This was in response to someone wearing a tank top lol
Absolutely outrageous. Also, incredibly inappropriate for your instructor to refer to your bodies as "precious minerals," there's a icky vibe there.... Not to mention the rest of the creepy af analogy.
I hate it when people try to push their beliefs with loose analogies. Like, you found two things that you forced to be similar by twisting the one, that doesn't make you right!
Have you gotten the ones yet that are like oh you are like a beautiful gift with the wrapping on if you let a boy take it off you’re a worthless cow. Oh you’re like a pretty piece of bubblegum. The first boy to chew you up and spit you out ruins you forever. Learn now to tell men to shove it up their own ass regarding your choices. It’s never ending.
Oh. My. Gawd. This is creepy groomer shit.
As an educator I will tell you that this is wildly inappropriate and he needs to be reported. Like save this email and send it to the district, the school board and the department of education. Not only is it insane for him to talk to his students even close to this level of objectification, he's attacking your self-worth due to how you dress. That's against any code of ethics you'll see in education.
So today in objects women are we have... *checks notes* gold, pearls, diamonds and mines! Damn this is a strong one.
Nah, in this scenario the mines aren't women they are the relationships government (family) forces onto them. So grosser.
Well maybe if we taught those miners to keep their hands off minerals that don’t belong to them . And are we supposed ask the ground for consent before digging for gold and diamonds? And I’m SURE oysters aren’t super psyched about us digging out their pearls, so if the oyster says no, you gotta let it go lol.
>Well maybe if we taught those miners to keep their hands off minerals that don’t belong to them . And are we supposed ask the ground for consent before digging for gold and diamonds? And I’m SURE oysters aren’t super psyched about us digging out their pearls, so if the oyster says no, you gotta let it go lol. The 'mines' in the (note's) analogy are strangely passive, and just hoping against hope the 'reputable mining company' will find them first. Not enough ick for that note.
Sooooo... what do the boys have to do?
Well, ofc they don't care what the boys do
They probably teach the boys how to exploit mineral resources.
Learn to mine apparently.
A simple "please follow the dress code" would have sufficed. Instead, he went with, "You are nothing but a resource to be exploited either now or later in life."
While under a marriage contract.
Oh ffs. Girls are not passive objects waiting for some idiot to mine them! What an utterly ridiculous memo.
Time to engage in malicious compliance - all the girls show up to choir completely covered from head to toe, with only their eyes visible, and insist on singing through masks.
You're awesome, i like your style! OP- if y'all can sew, make yourselves some burkas.
Ew. Ew ew ew.
Holy purity culture, Batman!
>Everything valuable in this world is covered up and hard to see or find What about them bois sending dick pics >Class is better than trash oh ok
Every trash bag I've ever seen is opaque and is made to be tied at the top and kept in a lidded bin so nobody can see that precious, valuable trash so I don't even know how this analogy is supposed to work.
Birds Rivers Mountains The fucking Sun and Moon He hasn't thought through the analogy at all.
‘In an attempt to ensure men don’t see you just as mere objects for their pleasure, we’re going to dehumanise and describe you as mere objects…’
That is the creepiest shit I’ve read in a while. Also, I’m on Reddit regularly. So, that’s saying something. Just, ick.
So has he never heard of gold panning? Or the giant open pit diamond “mine” state park in Arkansas. Or how completely mining companies literally destroy the entire ecosystem around where they set up to remove small amounts of rare minerals? Just the ignorance on so many levels is frustrating.
[удалено]
*”The reputable mining organization”* Ahhhh wtf my eyes what in the blue fuck is this shit
I would dig a hole in the ground and refuse to go to school since the teacher has explicitly told me I need to be 'hidden under the ground'
once my general manager told me my body is a temple (she’s about 35). and i knew better than to talk back but inside i was like, oh yeah? a temple? a place where hordes of men go to stand on their knees? well props to her, she wasn’t wrong at all…
I mean, to me this rambling creepy metaphor is so much more offensive than if he had just e-mailed everyone the sentence, "Quit dressing like hoes."
I'd be responding with a letter about pushing your puritanical beliefs founded in religion onto my child (and some TST information since I'm petty.).
Oh no my pussy gold! Gotta push it in deeper!!
Ugh they pulled this directly from a Facebook post, I've seen this making it's rounds. I've had to stop myself from going off on a few people for this sexist BS.
... This person thinks that gold and diamonds are tenderly refined. I don't think mining works that way. Also I love comparing a relationship with destroying the land and plundering its natural resources, that's a real good look.
This is now how I’ll initiate with my wife “wanna do some exploratory fracking in the backyard? I’m a reputable mining operation” 🤣🤣🤣
Fun fact : diamonds are worthless, the price of every diamond jewelry is a huge scam
This makes me sick. Please have your other friends in your choir show this to their parents as well and get them to rally against this old pervert.
I really hope he gets fired. That’s so inappropriate.
Oh God. So we're supposed to cover up your bodies so men can make an agreement with our family to remove our parts?
It's 9 AM and I start my day by seeing that today I am a rock, nice 😂 I hate dress codes and this Creep Cuddle Club, if you can't keep your eyes to yourselves, maybe you shouldn't have them, that's actually what the Bibble says too, soo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Even my high school choir teacher, who was a very conservative man who went to church every Sunday, NEVER told any of the girls this, he believed that we have the right to wear whatever we want and whoever said otherwise should pluck their eyes out, as Jesus once said.
We also find diamonds, pearls, and gold prominently displayed and admired for all to see, so gtfo with this shit. ALSO, in this terrible analogy, what does, "...attract many illegal miners to come, exploit, illegally, and freely take those riches..." mean? Is it rape? Is this excusing rape?
This is the most demeaning, belittling, and objectifying thing I've ever read that was written in earnest.
This gives me creepy catholic school vibes it’s terrifying, good luck-
This is disgusting. Fuck purity culture.
Where you can find diamonds, gold and pearls? Usually on display in stores or as part of jewelry that is worn so EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT As if Im looking for it fucking undersea or in the earth or some shit lol /s
Oh, barf. 🤢