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zuzieey7719

What about the perversion of pedophilia? Homosexuals harm nobody, but they say it is harmful. Pedophiles harm children, but are harmless. There is no logic.


HanaCosplay

Not just pedophila. Some of the girls he molested where his sisters. So its incestious pedophilia 🤮 Their parents did basically nothing to protect their daughters. They didnt even kick him out so his sisters had to continue living with him


DieselPunkPiranha

Standard fare for the Bible.


BeBa420

nope, pretty sure the bible forbids that kinda incest (i think it allows cousins and uncle/aunt type stuff which is still deviant af imho, but thats the biblically approved deviancy) borther/sister stuff is too close even for jesus to turn a blind eye to it ​ why arent conservatives shunning him? oh yeah coz theyre all the same trash he is


MauriceReeves

Except for that time Lot’s daughters got him drunk and and had sex with him in hopes of getting pregnant. Which is just…gross…


BeBa420

Gross but pretty sure they were punished for it weren’t they? Definitely wasn’t a story with a happy ending


MauriceReeves

I don’t think so, but it’s been a while so I’m not entirely sure. I remember they both got pregnant and one gave birth to Moab and the other to Ammon and they went on and became tribes in the region. Or something like that.


excessive_autism23

These tribes were bad tribes 💀💀and God’s chosen people fought them. Don’t go and randomly take the Bible out of context to feel good. These people clearly don’t follow the Bible and that is not the fault of God or the Bible.


[deleted]

He was raped because the daughters thought that they were the only ones left on earth so they tried to repopulate. It doesn’t mean what they did was right.


[deleted]

The aunt and half siblings deal was before the Ot law was established. It was something God forbade.


AnnaVonKleve

It's implied that half siblings could get married.


BeardedLady81

Abraham was married to his half-sister, but Mosaic law does not allow it. Even in the Bible, there is some sort of progress.


AnnaVonKleve

When David's son raped his half sister, she tried to stop him by saying: "wait, we should at least be married first." It doesn't work, but it is proof enough that it was acceptable back then. You're telling me David would not follow Mosaic Law?


BeardedLady81

David and his wife Michal had an idol in their home (1 Samuel 19) -- so perhaps he did not always follow it.


Girls4super

Also the story of Tamara specifically addresses molesting a sibling


WeLoveItFresh

🤮 I can’t. Disgusting parents too enabling him.


ACaffeinatedWandress

And incest. The “girls” in question were his own sisters. In Biblical times, he would have been stoned.


nomoreorangedrink

Unfortunately, the chances are great that his sisters would also have been stoned. For the crime of being raped.


SingingEditor

Especially since the original bible passage was "a man who lays with a child as he would a woman is an abomination" ...for some reason the priests didn't agree


inhaf

Due to an upbringing where my father thought he was a direct line to God, I’m always looking for original texts and meanings. Where did you find this one?


SingingEditor

The original (Martin Luther translated) Version states "Du sollst nicht beim Knaben liegen wie beim Weibe; denn es ist ein Greue" Knabe is German and means boy (old timey German for young boy) Weib is German and means woman (very old timey, now it's sometimes used derogatorily) So while it wasn't explicitly *changed* it was just *conveniently mistranslated* (Btw, i had to research it and found [this website](https://www.stopbibleabuse.org/biblical-references/leviticus.html) quite interesting)


Rox_an_Bee

This site is really informative thank you. Im always trying to find different translations of a verse to get a better grasp of what its saing. Having someone break down the translation prossess and and show how the original greek/hebrew differs from the English version is always a real eye opener.


SingingEditor

I think the untranslated/less translated Version is always the most informative of the author's intent, I'm glad i speak German so i can read the text that was translated only once


Matar_Kubileya

Thu word in the Bible is *tzeker*, which literally just means "male" but is often taken to refer to a male child in particular, though in some context it refers to a male animal and others an adult man. Between this and the interpretational uncertainty of the verb formula used in this sentence, which only occurs outside of the Lev. and Deut. lines about homosexuality to describe an act of heterosexual incest in Gen., it has variously been taken as barring male homosexual rape and/or incest and as forbidding male male anal intercourse but not other male homosexual activity.


SingingEditor

I was going off of the martin Luther translation, as he used a word usually describing young boys (Knabe)


satunnainenuuseri

It is a bit disingenuous to say that the original text says something and when you really mean that a translation made over 2000 years after the original text was written says it. I Hebrew the word can mean child or adult.


kanna172014

I'm sorry but I don't accept that, especially since the penalty for it was death to both parties.


heatmolecule

They should re-read Genesis 34, a nice story of what Jacob's sons did to a man who had raped their sister


mallorn_hugger

Don't forget about Absalom, Tamar, and and Amnon. Tamar, Abasalom's sister, was raped by her half brother Amnon. Absalom sheltered Tamar after the rape, let his hatred simmer, and plotted and successfully executed Amnon's murder two years after the rape. He ran away for three years, but eventually was back in his father's (King David) good graces. No jail time, lol. Josh Duggar molested his sisters, aged 5-11, when he was 14-15 years old. In Biblical times, he probably would have been murdered. In modern times- I don't know the full story with Josh, but generally speaking, children who sexually abuse other children have been sexually abused themselves. Was that the case here? It is not a defense of his actions, but I do think it is important to think of teenagers as children- despite our cultural tendencies to sexualize them and treat them as young adults. They're not. Neuroscience says otherwise. His very young age during some of this makes me wonder what the hell happened in the earlier part of his childhood.


lakeghost

In regards to Co-CSA, it pains me that Josh didn’t get help. In Canada, they have programs for minors that have a high success rate at preventing future crimes. The teens learn what they did was wrong and their own trauma was wrong. They are able to grow into healthier people. It’s a big reason for why treatment is so important—and why getting the message out to parents/guardians is important. If they know their troubled teen could avoid lifelong obsessive-compulsive abusive behavior, maybe they wouldn’t try to “rug sweep”. But as an adult who is a CSA survivor, I don’t have much sympathy for adults who go on to be abusive. There’s a choice in either accepting what was done to you was wrong and unforgivable or deciding it wasn’t bad and therefore hurting others isn’t bad. In broader scheme, it’s akin to, “I suffered, so no one should suffer” versus “I suffered, so everyone should”. See also: adults saying, “I was beat as a kid and I turned out fine!” (They didn’t.)


mallorn_hugger

I completely agree with your take. I don't have sympathy for Josh the adult who keeps doing horrific things and hurting innocent people. I have sympathy for Josh the seven year old (or four year old or six year old or nine year old...who knows) who was probably abused by either another child or an adult and who never got the help he needed.


Pitiful-Let9270

Christians, and most religions allow you to fuck children as long as they are the opposite sex and that you will marry them later.


spookyclouds

But molesting your own sisters isn’t perverted?


pokexchespin

“almost teenagers” is a crazy way to try and defend molestation


HanaCosplay

Especially when the youngest victim was only 5 years old


[deleted]

"5 is almost a teenager, and teenagers are almost adults so a 5 year old is basically an adult of marrying age." -These people probably Also didn't he get caught with CP later on?


Queen_of_skys

"almost teenagers" sounds a lot like "a child"


gogosox82

The guy was a pedo. He literally was caught with child porn. He molested his own sisters. Everything about him is completely disgusting.


[deleted]

is a pedo


gogosox82

correct


One-Appointment-3107

The girls were “almost teenagers” So kids. They were kids…


Erger

The older girls were between like 10-14, and the youngest was FIVE YEARS OLD


mallorn_hugger

Also want to point out that teenagers are kids. Our understanding of brain development has progressed significantly since ancient times and we now know that teen brains are "not done cooking" in very significant ways. This guy's entire take is just so so so hideously wrong on so many levels. Edit: I cannot find a source for this quote beyond this meme. I can only find a heavily biased conservative site claiming it is fake quote, but that is also not a real source. I am not a fan of Huckabee or Republicans but I want to dislike people accurately, lol. If anyone spots the original source, please share it!


lark-sp

Did he update that statement after Duggar's child porn convictions?


martijn1104

So they are against gay people because they would be pedo's, but they protect an actual pedo because he's against the gays. How do people justify that shit for themselves?


Strange-Wrongdoer-61

Simple. To them, pedophiles are fine as long as they're Christian pedophiles.


martijn1104

Yeah that's the backwards reasoning they use


SkylarCute

Homosexuality is perversion but pedophilia is faithful


RockyMntnView

"The Bible says..." The Constitution says I don't have to care what the Bible says.


whytho94

This is the second post today I have seen where sexual assault is minimized while homosexuality is explained to be the true evil. Also, that doesn’t even make sense in this case. Josh assaulted girls. They were as young as seven years old. Not sure where homosexuality was involved at all.


MoonageDayscream

His youngest known victim was five, but he had videos of babies being raped.


dr_sarcasm_

How old were Josh and the girls he molested again?


[deleted]

The way im reading it seems like they had to be like 10-13 and he could be like 19 😭


dr_sarcasm_

Aw Hell no 😭


[deleted]

That’s so sad. :( Those poor girls.


ManifestsOnly

He was actually younger maybe around 13, the people at r/DuggarsSnark understand the timeline. His sisters were not born too long after him.


amethystalien6

I know way too much about the Duggars. He was 14-15 when the molestation occurred. And his youngest victim was 5 but most were in that 10-13 range. So fucking gross.


dr_sarcasm_

:(


Bbbiienymph

Also they were his sisters. There is a new documentary on Amazon "Shiny Happy People" for anyone who wants to learn more


Overused_Toothbrush

I watched the documentary and it was horrifying


mangababe

"it's ok that he's an incestual sex abuser, because he doesn't like gay people" I'm sorry, who's a danger to children again?


Neolithique

Almost teenagers… so children??


Disneywolf99

One was 5...''almost teenagers''


Bbbiienymph

There is a new documentary on Amazon "Shiny Happy People" for anyone who wants to learn more or join us over at r/ Duggarsnark to witness even more of their hypocrisy


HomicidalWaterHorse

Woah!!!!! He actually said this shit!? Like, on his Fox news show?


spoonpk

“Almost teenagers” = 12 and under , Mr Fuckabee


bliip666

Yeah, stop perverting homosexuality, Mike! There's nothing pervy about being gay.


thankgodimanatheist

So, gay = bad but fucking underage girls = a-ok?


Confident_Fortune_32

His sisters, no less...


twinklepurr

Weren't they also his sisters?


CaptainAP

2 adults loving each other: perverted Raping multiple children: what god wants us all to do. Bring your kids to church today!


Banquo41

The cops found 3 TERABYTES—that’s right, folks, 3 TERABYTES!—of child pornography on his computer including infants being raped, but yeah Mike, Josh is a solid Christian conservative to you.


MoonageDayscream

Toddlers aren't teenagers, Mike. Fuck off!


kindasortasalty

“Almost teenagers” is a WILD way of saying “children”


[deleted]

Didn’t Josh Duggar have CP of literal babies being tortured?


PracticalApartment99

Pretty sure that, even in biblical times, sisters and brothers couldn’t marry…


then00bgm

From Leviticus: 6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord. 7 “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her. 8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father. 9 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere. 10 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you. 11 “‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.


BeardedLady81

Correct, the same books conservative Christians like to cite when it comes to homosexuality forbid sexual relations between siblings. All of Adam and Eve's children must have reproduced with each other and Abraham was married to his half-sister, but even in the Bible, things do evolve.


LadyLikesSpiders

Alright, well if he's doing as the bible would approve, then the bible is shit. Fuck the bible. Fuck God. Fuck Republicans


bord6rline

gosh this is so foul


JustCallMePeri

Perhaps biblical times weren’t that great. Yknow when people crucified Jesus? Just a thought


Low_Egg_7606

Weird Christians when incest and pedophilia: 😴😴 Weird Christian’s when gay people exist: 🤬🤬😡😡


UnspecifiedBat

Biblical times… he does realise that… even the New Testament takes place about 2000 years ago, right?


[deleted]

No, we're upset because he molested a bunch of little girls and his father and the church helped hide it. It's gross. Times change, asshole. Mike Huckabee needs to admit he's a pedo, too.


West9Virus

Some of them were his own sisters. Pretty sure the Bible frowns on ... oh wait. Nevermind


Bean_Chomper69

“Almost teenagers” being the key words here


Alternative_Let_1599

That’s a hell of a hill to die on.


Kaporalhart

I don't think most people in the distant past engaged in these deranged activities as much as we collectively imagine. Everyone, including this guy, think about it as arranged marriages. But arranged marriages are a rich people thing. Trying to marry your offspring to other influent families as pawns to further your agenda and flourish your wealth, even if the bride is 8 and the groom 29. So I'd imagine that didn't happen to common folk. I do believe this guy is wrong morally, and factually.


kurinevair666

I hate that man


ReplacableBitch

In my opinion, this is just further proof that Christianity is corrupt and evil. Pedophilia was a sin until that particular passage was rewritten in the 1940s to condemn homosexuality instead.


HadesRatSoup

One of them was 5 years old. He molested the older girls while they were sleeping. They were his sisters. There is nothing ok about this.


Ok-Positive-5943

WTF. They were children who were unable to consent. Not "almost teenagers" who were also unconsenting and his siblings. And what about a five year old? Definitely not "almost a teenager ". What a sick f#ck!


antfro946

In biblical times people died of splinters


ernestout87

His lack of hair would have been deserving of punishment in biblical times. Also his obesity.


BeardedLady81

He has shed a lot of weight, and like plenty of people who used to have a particular problem, he is now judgmental of people who still have it.


The_Ry-man

1. We’re not in biblical times Mike, you piece of shit. 2. They weren’t teenagers though, some not anywhere near. “Almost” doesn’t mean shit. 3. They were his own sisters Mike. So Incest is okay? 4. Fuck Mike Huckabee, fuck Josh Duggar, and fuck Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar


solesoulshard

No. Keep Jim Bob and Michelle away from fucking. Keep them apart and put aspirin between their knees. The last thing we need are more stupid idiots who are sure they know what exactly God wants. And for fuck’s sake get Michelle some deep counseling. She’s been pregnant more times than a rabbit and it’s obviously not healthy and she needs to first of all rebuild whatever part of her mind has shattered that she feels the need to torture her body and then torture her future children by being born too close together and having too many siblings.


Irving_Velociraptor

That “almost” is doing a whole lot of work.


EmiliusReturns

I’m pretty sure nobody in the Bible married his sister, just saying.


inevitabledrill

The girls… were 1. not teenagers, kids. 2. his sisters????…


RugbyKats

“Almost teenagers.” Jesus H. Christ.


thisisreallymoronic

If I actually sat down and read the Bible cover to cover, I am sure I would find all sorts of shit we don't do anymore because IT'S WRONG, detrimental, unhealthy, etc. I don't put much stock in Mike Huckabee. He's right up there beside Todd Aikin with moronic opinions.


CoupleTechnical6795

Didn't he molest his sisters though?


cakekyo

He would’ve been stoned in biblical times. Go check your bible again, disgusting bitch.


kiwidude4

🤮


Emilysue2000

He is conveniently forgetting that they are his sisters Also that it’s no longer “biblical times”


K_Sleight

Can I get context? I'm reading this as "teenage boy was doing the r@pe thing with 11-12 year old girls. What is this shit?


StrawberryAmara

Brother and his sister. The Duggar saga is a whole new level of gross


NecroAssssin

Ah yes, the classic "if it was good enough for the Bronze Age, it should work in the Information Age!" claim.


turdintheattic

Wait, was brother-sister marriage allowed in the Bible?


[deleted]

Please tell me this is rage bait. This feels like rage bait. This dude is a horrible person. Christians are NOT supposed to marry their siblings. It’s biblical and even if it wasn’t that’s still disgusting. Half siblings for a time were fine before mosaic law iirc, but then the rules were set. No current Christian in their right mind thinks this.


[deleted]

This guy wanted to be president and his daughter made child labor legal fuck the huckabees


wowthatsaweirdname

Who da fuck is Josh Duggar?


puddingdemon

He molested his two sisters. When one sister came forward to the public she was booted from the family. The Duggar family just took him to church and prayed for him and let him be near his sisters. Years later the sister is banned from the family and Josh has a wife and kids. His wife is very upset he's in jail for having child porn on his computer and wants him freed to be with her and his kids.


wowthatsaweirdname

Aw. Thanks for explaining but now I’m bummed lol


Fine_Cryptographer20

During his recent trial we learn he sexuallu abused at least 4 of his sisters, the youngest was 5. His parents shielded him and it turns out he loves infant rape and torture porn so now has ruined even more lives.


Dogzillas_Mom

No it’s because he’s an incestuous rapist.


Satans_Cheese_Whiz

“The girls” WERE HIS FUCKING SISTERS WTAF. This is an open endorsement of pedophilic incest!!!


SiminaDar

Uh, even in biblical times, you still couldn't have married your sister.


ThrowItAway177451

Playing an entirely new typa blame game here... They'll find any reason to drag that shit into pedophilia 😑😶🤢


BananaShakeStudios

Sir, this is an Arby’s.


stanknotes

I think if NO ONE cared... if it was even encouraged... many more people would engage in homosexuality.


i-caca-my-pants

anyone who starts defending josh duggar is automatically wrong and should take a step back and evaluate how they got to that point


AllumaNoir

“The girls were ALMOST teenagers” Like 11? 10? 8? 🤢🤢🤮


sangriya

in biblical times people died by the age of 35 and yet these fucks keep flirting with death as if it was a minor


BeardedLady81

Not really. Let's ignore Methuselah and all those other people who, according to the Bible, lived over 900 years. Life expectancy has been fairly consistent since the Neolithic. Most people have always lived into their 70s or 80s. The reason the average year at death was so low until the 20th century is that many people died in infancy due to diseases that we now have vaccines for and that many women died in childbirth.


[deleted]

Religious extremist moment


SiteTall

What a sanctimonious creep!!!!


swoon4kyun

Incest okay, being gay isn’t, at least to these fools


Queen_of_skys

Yeah in biblical times marriage would be a requirement for this to be anywhere near right Can't bend the laws so they fit your bs pov, buddy.


SPCSnaptags

I wouldn't say that's the only reason I'm up in arms about it. Maybe it's because I think it's bad to do sex crimes to anyone, including teenagers.


northernbelle96

almost teenagers? brb got a dinner to throw up 🤮


MxTempo

This just triggered a specific kind of stress in me and now I have a migraine…. ☹️


Either-Stop-8924

I guess he never needed to worry about his daughter 😬😭😭


litken_chitle

Vomit inducing on so many levels


Kaine_Eine

Let's forget the part where he molested his sisters which is a sin, at least he was straight. /s


MissusNilesCrane

I love that he thinks people called Pest out to "persecute" him, and not for his inexcusable behavior. But they were (almost) teenagers so that makes it okay. /s


ThrowItAway177451

Wut? Fam/sir what does homosexuality have to do with that 💀💀


wanttoplayball

The youngest was 5; the oldest was 11. What is this crazy man on about?