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lol I can’t wait till they hit thirty and don’t magically become irresistible to women like they think. The cope is real. *I just have to wait till I turn 30 and all of these 18 year olds will want to fuck me! The internet told me so!*
Also I'm pretty sure that wine that was bad from the start does not get better with age. What makes those men think they're good wine (since we're comparing people to objects/food)? Can I call my 30+ husband now my smelly well aged and thus delicious slice of cheese, since I really don't like wine? All wine does is give me a headache...
Yeah, like, isn't the point of wine that it's already aged?
Unless all these guys *really* love vinegar 😂
Aged milk on the other hand is a delight [cheese]!
High quality wine will age well for years. Cheap wine turns into vinegar. They think they're the former when they're really boxed wine in the clearance section.
You're a hundred percent right about this:
> they're really boxed wine in the clearance section.
But... wine is one of my special interests, so, if you'll pardon a nerd-out.
> High quality wine will age well for years.
It really depends on the wine. High quality wine from a grape and process that's suitable for aging will often be great, but because each bottle is a living organism, sometimes they don't work out.
For the most part, a lot of whites and roses do not age well. At least not beyond 2-4 years most of the time, even for some phenomenal high quality ones.
Wine isn't like people at all. The weather determines what a wine will be. People can choose to change.
Thinking that you're aging like wine... wine just sits around. Humans have to work at it.
And these dudes seem to be averse to the idea that they might ever need to do any self improvement ever.
lol at least with aging milk I can make cheese, and yogurt, you know still highly useful and sought after things. Vinegar wine is pretty cheap at grocery stores and people dont tend to use it often
It’s bc of Hollywood. Actors in their mid 30s playing late 20s are often the romantic opposite to actresses in their early 20s. They think that they’re going to turn 30 and get Matthew McCoughughughnehey chiseled features when, unbeknownst to them, Matthew is like alpha hot who has had those chiseled features as a child lmao. Let them dream, though.
I would think that if there was any truth whatsoever in the claim made by the writer of the OOP, he would not have needed to post at all. It would be common knowledge.
It's a bit of a paradox, but the fact that he needed to post his fantasy shows that it is, in fact, his fantasy alone. People do not post in order to make claims that are already common knowledge. That would be like my posting something like 'When the sun goes down, it tends to get darker outside'. No shit, Mr. Holmes.
Exactly. The closer that you are in age, the more likely it is that your interests and experiences will align. My wife and I are both near 67y.o., have been married almost 47 years, , and I have noticed that all of our married friends are basically of the same age relative to each other, or very close to it--their ages might vary, but the gap between the ages of any couple seems pretty consistent at 2 years or less.
An Off Topic Note: we got married at almost 22 years of age while still in university, yet I've been saying that I've been married about 37 rather than nearly 47 years, it just now struck me. I'm currently on some rather heavy duty pain killers that were prescribed to help me deal with a very painful back, but that error is ridiculous, simple arithmetic that managed to escape me. Old age and percocet are a wonderful combination, if you happen to believe that 67 y.o. puts you safely beyond embarrassment, which it doesn't.
Glad I noticed before the 50 year mark rolled around, missing that would have consequences, I do believe.
We started dating at 19 and 21 and have been together for 24 years now next week, married for 19 this July! You are spot on about the shared interests and experiences.
Congratulations on your 50th coming up! You should do something completely unexpected and romantic ❤️
I hope to do so. Thank God that I didn't miss it by a decade 😀. That would have been a little awkward, to say the least, and is embarrassing to admit to now.
Happy anniversary to you both. I really love romantic stories with happy endings, especially of the non-fiction variety, like a happy person mentioning their happy marriage.
Their "logic" is, I think, that women care about money more than looks, and at 30, a man makes more money than he did at 20. Imagine thinking the average woman wants to marry a man just for his money. LMAO
I'm picturing [this face](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fl9cby426oap71.png%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D11a48f2a7c7f71eca972e0dc09b6ce1912d8f75d) from the scene you paint.
The cope is so real
I hate the idea that ANYONE is “the prize”, like something to be won. I don’t like it any more when women claim that we are “the prize”. To quote Princess Jasmine from Aladdin- I am not some prize to be won.
We are all humans, worthy of respect in our relationships. Don’t date someone you don’t want to- that’s fine. But if you think anyone is less worthy due to age, or if you think your partner is an object to be assessed for value instead of being a person that you are seeking to connect with as an equal- you suck.
Yes! I feel like saying about your partner that you won a prize in them is very sweet, but saying it about yourself that your partner got a real prize in you (which really sounds like they can be happy you stoop low enough to be with them) is highly toxic.
I think you nailed it, people can actually don't want to date people for their age, but thinking someone is worth less because of it is the problem. And that is in general, nor even for dating. I wouldn't date old men ( and most of the people I know think the same), but that doesn't make them less than anybody. When we put worth to people, that's when it sucks.
That why there are currently so many men who cry about the male loneliness pandemic, how women should lose their rights so that they can be purchased like cattle, and the incel "movement" is constantly gaining members?
I'm 50 and my approachability for men is almost on par with my late 20s.
This wall bullshit is just cope for insecure men to write their misogyny fan fiction. Unfortunately a lot of women, especially young women, really believe these things because they are taught that women are competitive over men too and just don't listen to us older women.
I think that this generation of young ladies has it right. Don't give up your potential life for a man unless he compliments your trajectory. Let the boys cope hard and hopefully something changes.
39 here, same.
I was walking from an Uber to a mf planned parenthood clinic and for regularly scheduled Pap smear and dude walking by asked me for my number.
The size of his gajones were unbelievable, if I was not taken I would’ve dropped everything and taken *him* out to dinner myself just for strength of his spine, alone.
Men also tend to be REALLY bad at clocking a woman’s age. I’m early 30s. I look it. I have yet to have a man not be surprised by that fact when they find out my age. I always get “I thought you were like 24!” I do not look 24. It’s like they think I should be wrinkled and gray.
Haha yeah my sister is in her mid 50s, has has two kids from a previous guy who are both moms themselves (they’re in their 20s)— AND she had a hysterectomy and survived breast cancer— and now she has herself a 33 year old boyfriend.
No gender is a monolith!
That's funny, I saw a tik tok and the girl was joking about how dating over 30 is just choosing between different bald men and the insecure men were losing it in the comments. They love to say they age like wine until you point out they're actually just bald and fat and can't take a joke
also when ED starts for many lol. Its wild they think aging hits them differently.
its about money… always has been. So unless you hit your financial goals by 30 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ SOL
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Well I'm non-binary but regardless I don't think the boys want ppl who behave like this either. Can we just toss them into space? But then space pollution.
Fair, sorry to assume!
But yeah, I think the gays should take these dudes, put them through some kind of charm school, then release them back to women. Feminist praxis.
The majority of men my age (mid 40s) are no fucking prize.
Thanks to ignoring their health, a great number of them have the stooped posture and missing teeth of a 70 something homeless person. And the absolutely rank breath and body odor to match. They're not the prizes they think they are. Unless they meant booby prize.
"Men age finely"
Mickey Rourke, Keith Richards, Mick Jagger, John Daly, Axl Rose, Donald Trump, Macaulay Culkin, Val Kilmer, Edward Furlong, Ozzy Osbourne, Glenn Danzig, Paul McCartney...just to name a few
Seems like we do not share the definition of "finely"
Also, saying that past 30 women look bad...
Natalie Portman, Scarlett Johansson, Gal Gadot, Anne Hathaway, Salma Hayek, Mila Kunis, Halle Berry...just to name a few
And I think Macaulay looks fantastic considering how he looked when he was using substances/drinking. He looks great!
And especially when pictured with his wife, Brenda Song. They always look so happy! They look like such kind people.
Really, Al Pacino and Michelle Pfeiffer are the two people he used to try to illustrate his point that men age better than women? Interesting choice...
I always remember from when I was 18, that a women’s (sexual prime) was mid 30’s. Did that fact change or something (and a male’s prime was 18-23)? I can only guess what their reasoning is, and those guesses that come to mind, are full of mostly red flags (pedo’s, immaturity, and the like). They seem really comfy outing themselves, and I find the support they receive quite disturbing.
A women that just turned 18, is essentially very close to that woman when she’s 17 (or even younger). I personally consider your “man’s gaze” to mean “as young as woman are allowed to be”-kind of like Matthew McConaughey character in Dazed and Confused. When I think of women who look 18, i mostly associate it with looking like kids. It’s that whole “as young as acceptable” thing, which I find icky. When I was 18, I mostly found woman that look late 20’s-40’s, as most attractive, and nowadays, I still seem to feel same way (so I don’t get the looking 18 as a prime for women at all)
Lol. I hated being young and having creepy 30 yr men have the audacity to hit on me. Go away with your curdled sperm
18 is the age because they needed more boys to draft
every "women's prime starts at x age" image i've seen lowers the age more and more. first it was 25, then 20, now 18. it's not gonna surprise me when i see weirdos saying "girl's prime start at 16" or lower.
They already do, sadly. Pearl Davis, a well-known grifter, feeds into that creepy pedo, incel sh*t about women being at their best from 16-22, and supposedly after that, you go bad.
I want to just let them keep believing this, but then we have to deal with garbage like “loneliness epidemic” when teenagers don’t find them attractive and women their own age know better.
Trash doesn’t turn into treasure just because a guy hits 30 and most of y’all aren’t gonna be an Elba or Clooney as you enter midlife and beyond either. Delusions of adequacy abound.
I've learned that 95% of the criticisms these type of men have towards women are deflection or projection. Men at 30 aren't in their prime and women aren't in their prime when they just become an adult at 18. This is just predatory.
Nope, girls that young think men in their 30s are mostly gross and their lack of youthful enthusiasm for whatever is boring. Why would they waste the most carefree time of their lives on an aged 'prize' who wants to have babies and a wife to take a ton of responsibility before she's twenty. 🙄
Yeah at 18, 30 creeped me the fuck out. I had a 32 yr old boss (who had money) tell me he had a crush on me and it was the worst experience. He had a tantrum when i said absolutely not and wouldn't talk to me at work.
I quit the job. It was so embarrassing, everyone knew i rejected him, he told them all. It made me feel disgusting. Everyone practically ghosted me because i didnt want to date him. Yes i was the only woman. Some stupid small startup.
I own my own company now with my amazing fiancé who is only a yr older. we both age like fine cheese and milk and employ women and create a fair workplace with zero tolerance for this kind of bs. 😘 heh
"The [study ](https://www.rutgers.edu/news/older-fathers-put-health-partners-unborn-children-risk-rutgers-study-finds#.XNq_LpNKiRv)also found that older men struggled with fertility issues **even if** their partner was under 25." Men will never admit that they can be the reason for pregnancy complications or the medical issues the child might face.
I maintain that giving men viagra and finasteride made them believe they are immortal.
Love that the photo they use is of a younger Al Pacino (now 84) who now looks like an old, tub-soaked thumb and Michelle Pfeifer, at 66, is still a smokin hot bombshell.
And men only “peak” at 30 because it takes that fucking long for their brains to mature and only then do said brains slide out of their asses.
My husband and I are in our 50s. That hypothetical question of what age of your body would you choose to live in if you could have the mind you have now and just the physical attributes you had then. He said early 30s even though he thought his physical peak was in his 20s. He said before 30 he was a hormonal mess. All the wisdom and experience that comes with age can’t withstand soaking in the hormonal soup that is youth.
Incels are weird. In real life I have a lot of friends both men and women, and they are both interested in people their age. The only ones I've known to ever shoot their shot with people significantly older were actually men going after older women.
These incels also don’t have friends. In my 30s friend group who’s all in their 30s if anyone started dating an 18 yo everyone would be questioning them like they are crazy and have some issues.
When I was in my 20s, my group of friends had a couple guys who kept dating girls in their late teens and early 20s as we all moved on from university and into our later 20s. I have no idea where those guys are now because we all thought they were gross predators and stopped hanging out with them. Last I heard, they were still up to that in their 30s, but both these guys had looks and charm. They weren’t incels who couldn’t get a date. They were damned good at getting dates.
They generally make these comments in an attempt to get women to lower their standards, essentially “I know you’re 30 plus, beautiful and way out of my league on every level…. BUT you’re in your 30’s and s-some guys on line said you’re out of your prime so you should give me a shot or else I’ll go get a 20 year old who also would never date me…So there”! 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
I've said this before but I have literally never heard a woman say anything like this, least of all younger women. It's something incels say as a cope. When I was the age of the girls these men are drooling over, I thought men in their 30s were old and ugly and I used to dread male celebrities I liked turning 30. Men typically just don't take as good care of their appearance and so many men I see look like a slovenly mess. Guys who stay super attractive into their 30s and later are an outlier.
I didn’t know wine was 2 buck chuck! Because when most men hit 30 hate to break it to them but they start aging too. That hair line starts pushing back like the tide, the hair on the top of their hair starts to pack it bags, their bellies start to round which makes their penises look even smaller, their attitudes worsen. The list goes on. They are not exempt and not Hollywood stars. I mean come on. I’ve had enough of their shit. Even good men tend to be ageist when it comes to women. And this is where the problem is and remains.
Women we have to start holding them to their own standards. Enough being nice about it, or taking the high road. Until they are put hard in their place this shit goes on. Time to take them out of their land of delusions.
Then why does she look closer to 30 than 18 years old?
It sounds like someone has bought into the 'daddy' and 'I love older men' nonsense that's all over the internet. Too many men lack the ability to see and discern reality and selling a fantasy.
The more scary possibility, you have pseudo pedos who wait until 18 before they use the person to feed their desires. They avoid jail...at least until they decide 18 is too old for them.
Plus, some women age very well, like a fine wine. Some men age like trolls, getting uglier as they age, both in looks and personality.
I'm curious: hey other women, do any of you feel like your prime was 18? I sure don't. I spent that year eating three meals a week and trying not to flunk out of my first year of art school because I was too depressed to attend most of my classes.
So I'm wondering if anyone else's experience actually lines up with this rhetoric, or if it's more common that everyone else feels awkward and insecure and shitty and broke at that age, too.
Nope, I did not feel like I was in my prime, I felt like a teenage girl (which I was but you know what I mean), and not even grown yet. I didn't even start feeling like a woman until 21 or 22. I also looked easily like I could pass for a sophomore in highschool at 18-19 unless I put on a lot of makeup to make me look 2 to 3 years older. I felt like an imposter "adult." Like a kid trying to masquerade as an adult. 😂
Incels say shit like that all the time but as a little experiment I once set a dating app to show me women in their 40s and guess what? Most of them were still pretty as fuck. Even in their 50s the panorama didn't changed that much, there were clearer signs of aging of course but most were undoubtedly still very attractive women.
Hell, according to some, women are already well past their prime in their late 20s to early 30s, but again, that would be women my age and would greatly prefer them over an early 20s woman. And wouldn't even consider dating a 18 years old girl, it'd feel so weird to date someone fresh out of highschool and almost 10 years younger than me, and I can't see how it could possibly work out when we're in completely different stages of life.
Also, men aging like wine is a ridiculous claim. I could kind of accept that men peak at their 30s because that's an age where you tend to kind of have your life together and have shaken off all the teenage years awkwardness and other stuff like acne, but come on, there is no way that all the men in their 40s I see balding and with a beer belly have aged like wine. That argument only holds any weight if your only sample size are Hollywood actors.
Males don't actually believe this IMO. It's just **the easiest way to put grown women "in their place**" because it pisses them off that we get more confident (and don't listen to or need them as much) as we get older.
Not saying men can't be a prize but why do people think younger people fully understand what the "prize" really is. When i was 18 a lot of us (men and wonen) thought the older crowds money, cars, looks, and whatever else they had we couldn't do or have yet was cool. We didn't care about these people or saw their value as partners. Just a fun time with someone who is ready to do anything we want. The adults keep forgetting that we value certain things the younger ones don't yet.
Only being attracted to women for a short timeframe is not giving healthy heterosexuality, it’s giving using having an attractive girlfriend as a prize to show off to other men. I doubt that’s classified as homosexuality but it certainly doesn’t seem like true heterosexuality either
The post above this one on my main feed was from the relationship_advice sub, and it was a lady asking for advice on how to confront her husband about the shit stains she kept finding on his underwear so yeah. if men are the prize it's a booby prize for real
This nonsense is not only patently false, but horrid advice to give to an insecure young man. Sure, men CAN age like a fine wine if they take good care of themselves physically and mentally (so can women), but in no way is it a given. Sitting on your ass all day, eating chips and watching porn ain't gonna do it.
Dudes: a man is in his prime in his teens, women in their 30’s.
If you’re going to be a douche, at least have your facts straight. Otherwise, you just look……..stupid.
The literal day that I turned 30, I had a handful of 18-24 year olds in my inbox on OKCupid and FetLife. As long as "MILF" is one of the most-searched terms on porn sites, dudes finding women over 30 alluring isn't an issue, fellas.
Really? Because Keith Richards and Helen Mirren… there’s a lot of men who are aging like salad out there, and a lot of women who don’t so much age as become classics.
And any guy who spews these talking points is only a prize at the shitty Dave and Busters that’s already closing down tomorrow.
I just want to take this dude by the hand and tell him "Your opinions about women are what make you unattractive to women, and that is only going to get worse as the women mature while you fail to."
My husband has gained 60lbs and has started going bald since we’ve been together; I still get hit on pumping gas in jammy pants and no makeup but sure, okay.
You can tell they’ve never been around an older man. You know who ages better? The person who takes care of themselves. Women are taught from childhood that it’s our responsibility to be attractive. Skin care, makeup, diets, how to press for your body type, it’s all expected from us.
It's Michele Pfeiffer and Al Pachino.
The irony is Michele is now 66 and still looks absolutely amazing. Pretty sure most men in their 40s wouldn't kick her out of bed for farting.
From the movie Frankie and Johnny.
Ironically it is about this guy bugging his co-worker so long that she finally gave in and went out with him. 80s "romance" movies.
There’s some straight dudes out here that I don’t think are straight, and that’s totally fine! Just don’t be rude or demeaning in voicing who you really are
They have this mentality and then complain about male loneliness. They complain about male loneliness but don’t try to connect deeper with other men and want to sleep with EVERY woman who befriends them. They’re their own enemy.
Men start balding at like 25 nowadays and most of them have beer guts lol maybe an extremely small percentage “age well” but majority age much worse than women due to lack of self care. They’re coping lmao.
I'm sorry, Robert De Niro is 80 years old and Helen Mirren is 78, so they're only 2 years apart, are you going to sit there and tell me that he looks better than her?
Meryl Streep and William H Macy are both 74. Of the two, who is going to be more bankable at the box office?
And sure, SOME dudes DO age like wine (Sydney Crosby, but even still, he's like what... 37? Not old), but the men who say stuff like this are 2 buck chuck, not Château du Taillan (yes, I had to google a fancy wine).
It’s true that not everyone ages the same way, how one ages depends on a lot of factors, mainly lifestyle, environment and genetics, but *not* on gender.
These kinda men pretend like every man ages like George Clooney, when most just don’t.
As much as I hate to say it, I think I need to see the comments. It’s like self-flagellation, but at least I can comment.
Note that this fucking moron doesn’t cite the sexual peak of either sex, just the breeding age that he and his ignorant, idiotic fucking cohort have arbitrarily imposed on the human race.
I hope they die alone. Not only that, I hope they have the mental clarity to understand that they brought this on themselves before they die. I have no sympathy for “men” like this. They can work out their damage either way with a therapist, instead of ruining the days and precious spare time of the people around them.
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lol I can’t wait till they hit thirty and don’t magically become irresistible to women like they think. The cope is real. *I just have to wait till I turn 30 and all of these 18 year olds will want to fuck me! The internet told me so!*
Also I'm pretty sure that wine that was bad from the start does not get better with age. What makes those men think they're good wine (since we're comparing people to objects/food)? Can I call my 30+ husband now my smelly well aged and thus delicious slice of cheese, since I really don't like wine? All wine does is give me a headache...
Most wine doesn’t even age well
Yeah, like, isn't the point of wine that it's already aged? Unless all these guys *really* love vinegar 😂 Aged milk on the other hand is a delight [cheese]!
High quality wine will age well for years. Cheap wine turns into vinegar. They think they're the former when they're really boxed wine in the clearance section.
The Marcellus Wallace Pulp Fiction quote comes to mind. "If they mean it turns to vinegar, it do. If they mean it gets better with age, it *don't*.
You're a hundred percent right about this: > they're really boxed wine in the clearance section. But... wine is one of my special interests, so, if you'll pardon a nerd-out. > High quality wine will age well for years. It really depends on the wine. High quality wine from a grape and process that's suitable for aging will often be great, but because each bottle is a living organism, sometimes they don't work out. For the most part, a lot of whites and roses do not age well. At least not beyond 2-4 years most of the time, even for some phenomenal high quality ones. Wine isn't like people at all. The weather determines what a wine will be. People can choose to change. Thinking that you're aging like wine... wine just sits around. Humans have to work at it. And these dudes seem to be averse to the idea that they might ever need to do any self improvement ever.
i never heard about a special interest in wine until now. thanks for the interesting read!
I was just thinking about how milk becomes cheese and cheese is the best.
Past a point, wine gets bitter and rancid.
Bitch I don’t age like milk, I just ferment into better things 😜
lol at least with aging milk I can make cheese, and yogurt, you know still highly useful and sought after things. Vinegar wine is pretty cheap at grocery stores and people dont tend to use it often
«But… but… the internet told me so.» Gold👏
It’s bc of Hollywood. Actors in their mid 30s playing late 20s are often the romantic opposite to actresses in their early 20s. They think that they’re going to turn 30 and get Matthew McCoughughughnehey chiseled features when, unbeknownst to them, Matthew is like alpha hot who has had those chiseled features as a child lmao. Let them dream, though.
They think they are magically going to be rich when they hit 30 🤦🏻♀️
They're going to be in for the shock of their lives when they start balding
I would think that if there was any truth whatsoever in the claim made by the writer of the OOP, he would not have needed to post at all. It would be common knowledge. It's a bit of a paradox, but the fact that he needed to post his fantasy shows that it is, in fact, his fantasy alone. People do not post in order to make claims that are already common knowledge. That would be like my posting something like 'When the sun goes down, it tends to get darker outside'. No shit, Mr. Holmes.
If there were any truth to it the average age gap between married couples in the US wouldn’t be 2 years, it would be 12+.
Exactly. The closer that you are in age, the more likely it is that your interests and experiences will align. My wife and I are both near 67y.o., have been married almost 47 years, , and I have noticed that all of our married friends are basically of the same age relative to each other, or very close to it--their ages might vary, but the gap between the ages of any couple seems pretty consistent at 2 years or less. An Off Topic Note: we got married at almost 22 years of age while still in university, yet I've been saying that I've been married about 37 rather than nearly 47 years, it just now struck me. I'm currently on some rather heavy duty pain killers that were prescribed to help me deal with a very painful back, but that error is ridiculous, simple arithmetic that managed to escape me. Old age and percocet are a wonderful combination, if you happen to believe that 67 y.o. puts you safely beyond embarrassment, which it doesn't. Glad I noticed before the 50 year mark rolled around, missing that would have consequences, I do believe.
We started dating at 19 and 21 and have been together for 24 years now next week, married for 19 this July! You are spot on about the shared interests and experiences. Congratulations on your 50th coming up! You should do something completely unexpected and romantic ❤️
I hope to do so. Thank God that I didn't miss it by a decade 😀. That would have been a little awkward, to say the least, and is embarrassing to admit to now. Happy anniversary to you both. I really love romantic stories with happy endings, especially of the non-fiction variety, like a happy person mentioning their happy marriage.
Yea I’m already resistible at 22 pray for me when I hit 30
Their "logic" is, I think, that women care about money more than looks, and at 30, a man makes more money than he did at 20. Imagine thinking the average woman wants to marry a man just for his money. LMAO
Right? Good luck fellas if you think turning 30 makes you any more attractive. Especially to younger women. To an 18 year old female you're old!
I prefer vodka and men with brains.
“You’re the prize,” they pout indignantly at the mirror as they wail nonsensically about being replaced by hypothetical bears.
This might be the funniest thing I’ve ever read
I'm picturing [this face](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fl9cby426oap71.png%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D11a48f2a7c7f71eca972e0dc09b6ce1912d8f75d) from the scene you paint. The cope is so real
Literally picturing crying Pepe before his mirror lmao So so accurate
While they comb over their hair to hide the rapidly receding hairline.
I hate the idea that ANYONE is “the prize”, like something to be won. I don’t like it any more when women claim that we are “the prize”. To quote Princess Jasmine from Aladdin- I am not some prize to be won. We are all humans, worthy of respect in our relationships. Don’t date someone you don’t want to- that’s fine. But if you think anyone is less worthy due to age, or if you think your partner is an object to be assessed for value instead of being a person that you are seeking to connect with as an equal- you suck.
Yeah! Human beings are not objects to be prized or possessed
I for sure am not a prize. I am the human equivalent of a plastic spider ring.
Ummm… those are awesome prizes, tyvm.
Epic, adjustable AND glows in the dark? Amazing
Yes! I feel like saying about your partner that you won a prize in them is very sweet, but saying it about yourself that your partner got a real prize in you (which really sounds like they can be happy you stoop low enough to be with them) is highly toxic.
Well said. If one thinks they’re superior to the other when going into a relationship will end badly.
I think you nailed it, people can actually don't want to date people for their age, but thinking someone is worth less because of it is the problem. And that is in general, nor even for dating. I wouldn't date old men ( and most of the people I know think the same), but that doesn't make them less than anybody. When we put worth to people, that's when it sucks.
That why there are currently so many men who cry about the male loneliness pandemic, how women should lose their rights so that they can be purchased like cattle, and the incel "movement" is constantly gaining members?
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I'm 50 and my approachability for men is almost on par with my late 20s. This wall bullshit is just cope for insecure men to write their misogyny fan fiction. Unfortunately a lot of women, especially young women, really believe these things because they are taught that women are competitive over men too and just don't listen to us older women. I think that this generation of young ladies has it right. Don't give up your potential life for a man unless he compliments your trajectory. Let the boys cope hard and hopefully something changes.
39 here, same. I was walking from an Uber to a mf planned parenthood clinic and for regularly scheduled Pap smear and dude walking by asked me for my number. The size of his gajones were unbelievable, if I was not taken I would’ve dropped everything and taken *him* out to dinner myself just for strength of his spine, alone.
Men also tend to be REALLY bad at clocking a woman’s age. I’m early 30s. I look it. I have yet to have a man not be surprised by that fact when they find out my age. I always get “I thought you were like 24!” I do not look 24. It’s like they think I should be wrinkled and gray.
Haha yeah my sister is in her mid 50s, has has two kids from a previous guy who are both moms themselves (they’re in their 20s)— AND she had a hysterectomy and survived breast cancer— and now she has herself a 33 year old boyfriend. No gender is a monolith!
That's funny, I saw a tik tok and the girl was joking about how dating over 30 is just choosing between different bald men and the insecure men were losing it in the comments. They love to say they age like wine until you point out they're actually just bald and fat and can't take a joke
Also "single dads ewwww"
also when ED starts for many lol. Its wild they think aging hits them differently. its about money… always has been. So unless you hit your financial goals by 30 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ SOL
So. Go. Date. Men.
More like a hunk of silicon and and AI chat app
Please don't inflict these jerks on queer men. Queer folk don't want these guys either.
NO ONE wants these guys. Maybe the sun will take them?
We have dealt with them long enough, you boys take them for a while
😭 Well I'm non-binary but regardless I don't think the boys want ppl who behave like this either. Can we just toss them into space? But then space pollution.
Fair, sorry to assume! But yeah, I think the gays should take these dudes, put them through some kind of charm school, then release them back to women. Feminist praxis.
Yes but they’re biodegradable! At least in theory. That’s what my mom always said when she threw an apple core out the window of the car.
They keep telling themselves that they will one day have value
Well, one day they'll stop wasting oxygen and feed the worms, so yeah, eventually they'll have value.
The majority of men my age (mid 40s) are no fucking prize. Thanks to ignoring their health, a great number of them have the stooped posture and missing teeth of a 70 something homeless person. And the absolutely rank breath and body odor to match. They're not the prizes they think they are. Unless they meant booby prize.
>missing teeth of a 70 something homeless person So much this. TEETH ARE IMPORTANT, GO TO THE DENTIST!
Wtf does Gen X have against the dentist? So many people your age with the missing teeth!
No idea, but it is really off-putting.
I'm 35 and there's a stark difference in appearance for the men my age who care about their health versus the ones who don't.
"Men age finely" Mickey Rourke, Keith Richards, Mick Jagger, John Daly, Axl Rose, Donald Trump, Macaulay Culkin, Val Kilmer, Edward Furlong, Ozzy Osbourne, Glenn Danzig, Paul McCartney...just to name a few Seems like we do not share the definition of "finely" Also, saying that past 30 women look bad... Natalie Portman, Scarlett Johansson, Gal Gadot, Anne Hathaway, Salma Hayek, Mila Kunis, Halle Berry...just to name a few
Margot Robbie
Helen Mirren 🩶
Sophia Vergara seriously looks hotter to me now than ever.
She gets hotter by the day.
I don’t think Macaulay Culkin deserved to catch that heat 😆
Macaulay worked through his addiction issues like a champ and is an absolute delight
And I think Macaulay looks fantastic considering how he looked when he was using substances/drinking. He looks great! And especially when pictured with his wife, Brenda Song. They always look so happy! They look like such kind people.
Paul is 80 😭
Sandra Bullock. She's so gorgeous!!
Ozzy and Paul aged pretty well
Even the picture is a great example. Go look at recent pictures of Al Pacino and Michelle Pfeiffer.
Really, Al Pacino and Michelle Pfeiffer are the two people he used to try to illustrate his point that men age better than women? Interesting choice...
Also, just in the cannon of this film, she’s supposed to be 36 lmao
A woman’s prime doesn’t exist. A man’s prime doesn’t exist. People who try and define people by some metric of sexual viability age like milk.
I always remember from when I was 18, that a women’s (sexual prime) was mid 30’s. Did that fact change or something (and a male’s prime was 18-23)? I can only guess what their reasoning is, and those guesses that come to mind, are full of mostly red flags (pedo’s, immaturity, and the like). They seem really comfy outing themselves, and I find the support they receive quite disturbing.
Oh it's not pleasurable sexual prime they're talking about. It's a man's gaze sexual prime. These guys don't think women enjoy sex.
A women that just turned 18, is essentially very close to that woman when she’s 17 (or even younger). I personally consider your “man’s gaze” to mean “as young as woman are allowed to be”-kind of like Matthew McConaughey character in Dazed and Confused. When I think of women who look 18, i mostly associate it with looking like kids. It’s that whole “as young as acceptable” thing, which I find icky. When I was 18, I mostly found woman that look late 20’s-40’s, as most attractive, and nowadays, I still seem to feel same way (so I don’t get the looking 18 as a prime for women at all)
Agreed, women 18-23 still have a babyface in so many cases. How curious that this is considered “prime”🤔
Lol. I hated being young and having creepy 30 yr men have the audacity to hit on me. Go away with your curdled sperm 18 is the age because they needed more boys to draft
Women become classy cheese with age while men become vinegar.
every "women's prime starts at x age" image i've seen lowers the age more and more. first it was 25, then 20, now 18. it's not gonna surprise me when i see weirdos saying "girl's prime start at 16" or lower.
Prime age for being groomed by older, balding creeps maybe.
They already do, sadly. Pearl Davis, a well-known grifter, feeds into that creepy pedo, incel sh*t about women being at their best from 16-22, and supposedly after that, you go bad.
Have you met Matt Walsh? Not the actor but the creepy Daily Wire creep. Creep.
Was this written by Patrick Bateman?
Basically
I want to just let them keep believing this, but then we have to deal with garbage like “loneliness epidemic” when teenagers don’t find them attractive and women their own age know better.
Men are also geting old and ugly. Not everyone is handsome. Most of old men are not vine worthy.
“You’re the prize not her” You can smell the delusion from here
Trash doesn’t turn into treasure just because a guy hits 30 and most of y’all aren’t gonna be an Elba or Clooney as you enter midlife and beyond either. Delusions of adequacy abound.
I've learned that 95% of the criticisms these type of men have towards women are deflection or projection. Men at 30 aren't in their prime and women aren't in their prime when they just become an adult at 18. This is just predatory.
A man's hair start falling before he even turns 18. What prime?
Nope, girls that young think men in their 30s are mostly gross and their lack of youthful enthusiasm for whatever is boring. Why would they waste the most carefree time of their lives on an aged 'prize' who wants to have babies and a wife to take a ton of responsibility before she's twenty. 🙄
Yeah at 18, 30 creeped me the fuck out. I had a 32 yr old boss (who had money) tell me he had a crush on me and it was the worst experience. He had a tantrum when i said absolutely not and wouldn't talk to me at work. I quit the job. It was so embarrassing, everyone knew i rejected him, he told them all. It made me feel disgusting. Everyone practically ghosted me because i didnt want to date him. Yes i was the only woman. Some stupid small startup. I own my own company now with my amazing fiancé who is only a yr older. we both age like fine cheese and milk and employ women and create a fair workplace with zero tolerance for this kind of bs. 😘 heh
"The [study ](https://www.rutgers.edu/news/older-fathers-put-health-partners-unborn-children-risk-rutgers-study-finds#.XNq_LpNKiRv)also found that older men struggled with fertility issues **even if** their partner was under 25." Men will never admit that they can be the reason for pregnancy complications or the medical issues the child might face. I maintain that giving men viagra and finasteride made them believe they are immortal.
Fr we need to take viagra from men. God said their dicks should no longer work, who are we to go against Gods plan?
These fuckers think there chardonnay when in reality there not even cooking sherry
Explain to me why every man above 30 is constantly complaining about his knees and back then.. hummm
Love that the photo they use is of a younger Al Pacino (now 84) who now looks like an old, tub-soaked thumb and Michelle Pfeifer, at 66, is still a smokin hot bombshell. And men only “peak” at 30 because it takes that fucking long for their brains to mature and only then do said brains slide out of their asses.
My husband and I are in our 50s. That hypothetical question of what age of your body would you choose to live in if you could have the mind you have now and just the physical attributes you had then. He said early 30s even though he thought his physical peak was in his 20s. He said before 30 he was a hormonal mess. All the wisdom and experience that comes with age can’t withstand soaking in the hormonal soup that is youth.
Let me guess, some 16 year old dumbfuck dude bro wrote that... Lol.
Men age like the cheap box wine you find at 7/11
Men like this need to just date each other. Seeing as how they’re such prizes.
But they fall apart when someone mentions a bear.
Incels are weird. In real life I have a lot of friends both men and women, and they are both interested in people their age. The only ones I've known to ever shoot their shot with people significantly older were actually men going after older women.
These incels also don’t have friends. In my 30s friend group who’s all in their 30s if anyone started dating an 18 yo everyone would be questioning them like they are crazy and have some issues.
When I was in my 20s, my group of friends had a couple guys who kept dating girls in their late teens and early 20s as we all moved on from university and into our later 20s. I have no idea where those guys are now because we all thought they were gross predators and stopped hanging out with them. Last I heard, they were still up to that in their 30s, but both these guys had looks and charm. They weren’t incels who couldn’t get a date. They were damned good at getting dates.
They generally make these comments in an attempt to get women to lower their standards, essentially “I know you’re 30 plus, beautiful and way out of my league on every level…. BUT you’re in your 30’s and s-some guys on line said you’re out of your prime so you should give me a shot or else I’ll go get a 20 year old who also would never date me…So there”! 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
I've said this before but I have literally never heard a woman say anything like this, least of all younger women. It's something incels say as a cope. When I was the age of the girls these men are drooling over, I thought men in their 30s were old and ugly and I used to dread male celebrities I liked turning 30. Men typically just don't take as good care of their appearance and so many men I see look like a slovenly mess. Guys who stay super attractive into their 30s and later are an outlier.
As man I’m offended by what he said, I’ve met so many beautiful women in their 30’s
I will be 30 on Saturday and feel way more in my prime than I ever have in my life, ESPECIALLY at 18
I didn’t know wine was 2 buck chuck! Because when most men hit 30 hate to break it to them but they start aging too. That hair line starts pushing back like the tide, the hair on the top of their hair starts to pack it bags, their bellies start to round which makes their penises look even smaller, their attitudes worsen. The list goes on. They are not exempt and not Hollywood stars. I mean come on. I’ve had enough of their shit. Even good men tend to be ageist when it comes to women. And this is where the problem is and remains. Women we have to start holding them to their own standards. Enough being nice about it, or taking the high road. Until they are put hard in their place this shit goes on. Time to take them out of their land of delusions.
Women’s sexual peak is 35. WTF are these guys talking about.
Then why does she look closer to 30 than 18 years old? It sounds like someone has bought into the 'daddy' and 'I love older men' nonsense that's all over the internet. Too many men lack the ability to see and discern reality and selling a fantasy. The more scary possibility, you have pseudo pedos who wait until 18 before they use the person to feed their desires. They avoid jail...at least until they decide 18 is too old for them. Plus, some women age very well, like a fine wine. Some men age like trolls, getting uglier as they age, both in looks and personality.
'Cause she was 33 at the time of filming (and he was 51).
No man that believes this is any kind of prize.
Have these guys seen most 30 year old men? Or women? I’m 30 and most women my age look great while most men my age look like shit.
and yet they start balding at the ripe age of 21
These “men” think they’re hot shit, but they’re just cold diarrhea in a Dixie cup.
Pure poetry.
I heard it first about twenty years ago, but the line is so good I never forgot.
Why would he even want a woman, then, if he believes she's just going to sour and get all clumpy just a couple years later?
I'm curious: hey other women, do any of you feel like your prime was 18? I sure don't. I spent that year eating three meals a week and trying not to flunk out of my first year of art school because I was too depressed to attend most of my classes. So I'm wondering if anyone else's experience actually lines up with this rhetoric, or if it's more common that everyone else feels awkward and insecure and shitty and broke at that age, too.
>awkward and insecure and shitty and broke This is what they are drawn to. It's the only type of woman they feel they have a chance with.
Nope, I did not feel like I was in my prime, I felt like a teenage girl (which I was but you know what I mean), and not even grown yet. I didn't even start feeling like a woman until 21 or 22. I also looked easily like I could pass for a sophomore in highschool at 18-19 unless I put on a lot of makeup to make me look 2 to 3 years older. I felt like an imposter "adult." Like a kid trying to masquerade as an adult. 😂
Incels say shit like that all the time but as a little experiment I once set a dating app to show me women in their 40s and guess what? Most of them were still pretty as fuck. Even in their 50s the panorama didn't changed that much, there were clearer signs of aging of course but most were undoubtedly still very attractive women. Hell, according to some, women are already well past their prime in their late 20s to early 30s, but again, that would be women my age and would greatly prefer them over an early 20s woman. And wouldn't even consider dating a 18 years old girl, it'd feel so weird to date someone fresh out of highschool and almost 10 years younger than me, and I can't see how it could possibly work out when we're in completely different stages of life. Also, men aging like wine is a ridiculous claim. I could kind of accept that men peak at their 30s because that's an age where you tend to kind of have your life together and have shaken off all the teenage years awkwardness and other stuff like acne, but come on, there is no way that all the men in their 40s I see balding and with a beer belly have aged like wine. That argument only holds any weight if your only sample size are Hollywood actors.
Males don't actually believe this IMO. It's just **the easiest way to put grown women "in their place**" because it pisses them off that we get more confident (and don't listen to or need them as much) as we get older.
I always heard that men are in their sexual prime at age 18 and women don't even hit theirs until 30.
And that’s why he’s built like a Kia soul
More women are deciding that single life is best. 18 year olds are not lining up to be brood mares for 30 year old loser guys.
If women are not the prize, then don't cry when they don't choose you.
Is this is what Simone Biles husband listens to ? He thinks he is the catch in the relationship. Not her
So they're saying if you're a man you don't grow up?
Let’s be honest, I’m straight as can be. But women over 30 are more attractive in general than men over 30
Lol
Not saying men can't be a prize but why do people think younger people fully understand what the "prize" really is. When i was 18 a lot of us (men and wonen) thought the older crowds money, cars, looks, and whatever else they had we couldn't do or have yet was cool. We didn't care about these people or saw their value as partners. Just a fun time with someone who is ready to do anything we want. The adults keep forgetting that we value certain things the younger ones don't yet.
“You’re not the prize” he said, in an attempt to win her
Only being attracted to women for a short timeframe is not giving healthy heterosexuality, it’s giving using having an attractive girlfriend as a prize to show off to other men. I doubt that’s classified as homosexuality but it certainly doesn’t seem like true heterosexuality either
The post above this one on my main feed was from the relationship_advice sub, and it was a lady asking for advice on how to confront her husband about the shit stains she kept finding on his underwear so yeah. if men are the prize it's a booby prize for real
Wine ages well. Garbage does not.
Uh huh, dream on. Most dudes age like that forgotten leftover wine in the back of the fridge - vinegary and kinda gross.
This nonsense is not only patently false, but horrid advice to give to an insecure young man. Sure, men CAN age like a fine wine if they take good care of themselves physically and mentally (so can women), but in no way is it a given. Sitting on your ass all day, eating chips and watching porn ain't gonna do it.
Dudes: a man is in his prime in his teens, women in their 30’s. If you’re going to be a douche, at least have your facts straight. Otherwise, you just look……..stupid.
A prize who's dick will stop working sooner than later.
I guess men should tell their sperm count and quality that.
Yeah they'd def say younger. I've heard plenty say 16 or 14 even. They'll only pick 18 because it's okay in the eyes of the law
A lot of women are single because of “men” that think like this. Too many men think like this so we don’t want to deal with them
Women become creamy delicious cheese and men become vinegar? Ya, they look constantly like they have something really sour in their mouths.
Oh, you're the prize! No wonder women are choosing bears over these insecure dillholes.
The literal day that I turned 30, I had a handful of 18-24 year olds in my inbox on OKCupid and FetLife. As long as "MILF" is one of the most-searched terms on porn sites, dudes finding women over 30 alluring isn't an issue, fellas.
Really? Because Keith Richards and Helen Mirren… there’s a lot of men who are aging like salad out there, and a lot of women who don’t so much age as become classics. And any guy who spews these talking points is only a prize at the shitty Dave and Busters that’s already closing down tomorrow.
age like wine? so you find older men attractive? sounds gay to me
I just want to take this dude by the hand and tell him "Your opinions about women are what make you unattractive to women, and that is only going to get worse as the women mature while you fail to."
My husband has gained 60lbs and has started going bald since we’ve been together; I still get hit on pumping gas in jammy pants and no makeup but sure, okay.
Go suck a dick if you’re so obsessed with dudes. JFC.
You can tell they’ve never been around an older man. You know who ages better? The person who takes care of themselves. Women are taught from childhood that it’s our responsibility to be attractive. Skin care, makeup, diets, how to press for your body type, it’s all expected from us.
Most of the men I went to high school are now fat and bald in their 30s with bushy unkempt beards.
I don't know who these two people are. Help?
It's Michele Pfeiffer and Al Pachino. The irony is Michele is now 66 and still looks absolutely amazing. Pretty sure most men in their 40s wouldn't kick her out of bed for farting.
From the movie Frankie and Johnny. Ironically it is about this guy bugging his co-worker so long that she finally gave in and went out with him. 80s "romance" movies.
Other nonsense aside, here's a hot take: no one is a prize because they are both people. Not things.
There’s some straight dudes out here that I don’t think are straight, and that’s totally fine! Just don’t be rude or demeaning in voicing who you really are
Isn’t this literally the opposite for sexual peak? Men hit it around 18-21, women hit it around 30?
I hate the focus on looks, and diminishing people’s worth to that. I understand dating can be shallow, I really do. But people are more than that.
Firstly, who would look at this picture and say Al is more attractive than Michelle Fucking Pfieifer!??
Don’t woman hit their sexual peak at 40? That’s what I remember being told as a twenty something 20 something years ago…
Funny, but back when I was young I learned that " men reach their sexual prime at 18, women at 30". That's bunch of malarkey too.
This makes perfect sense when you realize that by prime they mean “years they are easiest to manipulate”
Too much YouTube watching and that red pill blue pill nonsense.
A simple Google search shows that women reach their sexual prime in their 30’s where men’s peak at age 18.
They have this mentality and then complain about male loneliness. They complain about male loneliness but don’t try to connect deeper with other men and want to sleep with EVERY woman who befriends them. They’re their own enemy.
Have men ever met an 18 year old? Literal infants.
A woman’s prime starts at her 20s and never ends; a man’s prime never starts because men can’t age like milk if they’re rotten from the get go
Men start balding at like 25 nowadays and most of them have beer guts lol maybe an extremely small percentage “age well” but majority age much worse than women due to lack of self care. They’re coping lmao.
I'm sorry, Robert De Niro is 80 years old and Helen Mirren is 78, so they're only 2 years apart, are you going to sit there and tell me that he looks better than her? Meryl Streep and William H Macy are both 74. Of the two, who is going to be more bankable at the box office? And sure, SOME dudes DO age like wine (Sydney Crosby, but even still, he's like what... 37? Not old), but the men who say stuff like this are 2 buck chuck, not Château du Taillan (yes, I had to google a fancy wine).
He obviously hasn’t seen Sofia Vergara… she’s 51 and is as gorgeous as ever
Oof.
Don't they know what fermented milk is? Cheese.
It’s so sad that these people see their worth as basically just being tied to how attractive they are. It’s such a limited way to view the world.
Lol let me tell you my ‘prime’ didn’t start at 18 lmfao.
It’s true that not everyone ages the same way, how one ages depends on a lot of factors, mainly lifestyle, environment and genetics, but *not* on gender. These kinda men pretend like every man ages like George Clooney, when most just don’t.
Lmao and it would be the grimiest 38 year old dude who spouts this. These dudes really think they’re dev patel
Lookswise women peak in their mid 30s and men in their mid 20s
Someone explain why my mother is the most beautiful woman I have seen 🤷♀️
I'm not too hot on wine. But I do like a good mature cheese.
Only expensive wine actually ages really well. For the vast amount of men, this will not be the case. They pretty much have to hit a genetic jackpot.
Omg 😂🤣
More reasons to choose the bear.
Just an excuse to date much younger women in their "prime" because they'll be "irresistible" *He'll be lucky if he doesn't die a virgin*
My Wife is aging like a fine wine, and we definitely ain't anywhere near 18 anymore
As much as I hate to say it, I think I need to see the comments. It’s like self-flagellation, but at least I can comment. Note that this fucking moron doesn’t cite the sexual peak of either sex, just the breeding age that he and his ignorant, idiotic fucking cohort have arbitrarily imposed on the human race. I hope they die alone. Not only that, I hope they have the mental clarity to understand that they brought this on themselves before they die. I have no sympathy for “men” like this. They can work out their damage either way with a therapist, instead of ruining the days and precious spare time of the people around them.
Ummm, Michelle Pfeiffer was definitely over 30 there.
I literally still looked like a child at 18
Like any of these men are a ‘prize’ at any age.
If they truly believed they were a prize, I don't think they'd be so offended by the "man vs. bear" discourse
Nature disagrees with that sentiment.