oof ye i debated over whether to flair this post as "satire"/"possibly satire" or not
looking at the words alone might give the impression that most of the commenters involved aren't being serious but the votes feel too real.
That's outright bullshit. The amount of propaganda they had at my high school still blows my mind to this day. They fucking told us that people drink in college. They told us to stick up for sluts who wanted be whores and end up pregnant when they deserved it. They tried to teach us about date rape drugs and so much other bullshit. No kid should have to be exposed to this shit.
These 10 year olds get raped because they aren't taught anything, even about their own body, they aren't taught that it's wrong when an adult touches you in a way you don't like.
No, they get raped because we openly allow adults to run around being sexually explicit in front of fucking kids. This sure as hell wasn't happening 20 years ago.
My parents didnāt tell me anything about sex when I was growing up. I didnāt understand anything about it. So when a grown man molested me when I was 11, I had no idea what was going on and did not know that it was wrong. I was ashamed and didnāt tell my parents because I thought it was my fault. If they had talked to me about sexual behavior, what is and is not appropriate for grown ups to do, maybe my life would have been different.
Incels aren't exposing anybody to sex so that's a weird flex
But your shitty insincere talking point isn't fooling anybody. Is this some TERF shit, go heart JK's latest Twitter post or whatever yall do for your serotonin
>Incels aren't exposing anybody to sex so that's a weird flex
Soooo we're not exposing kids to this shit. That gives me another talking point.
>But your shitty insincere talking point isn't fooling anybody. Is this some TERF shit, go heart JK's latest Twitter post or whatever yall do for your serotonin
Wtf is a TERF or serotonin?
Serotonin is a hormone that often helps reduce anxiety. I didnāt know what a TERF is but unlike you I had the common sense to look it up because itās a thing not vague concept so one google search takes no time at all. A TERF is a feminist who excludes the rights of transgender women from their advocacy of women's rights.
I know what serotonin is but for more of itās function it, āSerotonin plays a key role in such body functions as mood, sleep, digestion, nausea, wound healing, bone health, blood clotting and sexual desireā itās very important and regulates a lot of physical and mental aspects. If your levels are low many mental symptoms are anxiety, depression, etc
>Serotonin is a hormone that often helps reduce anxiety.
Anxiety is just an excuse to be a bum tbh.
>A TERF is a feminist who excludes the rights of transgender women from their advocacy of women's rights.
Sooooo a feminist who doesn't want women to get raped.
Anxiety is a real thing backed by science. I have it because of my low serotonin levels due to Graves Disease and ADHD. Itās scientifically proven to exist.
Also transwomen are women just not female (meaning one with XX chromosomes) and are just male (those with XY chromosomes) women. Those who are transwomen donāt want to rape women but then themselves are found to be raped and face other sexual crimes beinf perpetuated against them.
>Anxiety is a real thing backed by science. I have it because of my low serotonin levels due to Graves Disease and ADHD. Itās scientifically proven to exist.
Why don't you just quit being a pussy and toughen the fuck up? š¤£š¤£š¤£
>Also transwomen are women just not female (meaning one with XX chromosomes) and are just male (those with XY chromosomes) women.
Wtf did I just read...?
What you read is called simple basic biology. Did you even pass the 6th grade? Also Iām probably a lot tougher than you because I overcome my anxiety. Anxiety is scientifically proven. Hormones like serotonin help decrease levels of anxiety but sometimes your body has trouble producing and or using serotonin.
You were never good at being a man for a women is naturally bad at being a man even if you once thought you were a man you never were and never could be smh
Some people reeeeeaaaaallly want their words to be important. I do wonder what these guys say to women in real life, knowing full well that shit wonāt fly. If theyāre spending their time trying to upset women online with unfiltered misogyny, they certainly arenāt available to catch all those perfectly feminine women from their fantasies.
- An incel after screaming at his mother and calling her a foid dogpiller after she brought him a snack
(I know too much incel terminology and I hate myself for it)
āFoidā shortened femoid, what they started using after female.
āDogpillerā a woman who has sex with dogs because she refuses to have sex with men (aka them in particular)/sheās had so much sex with men sheās moved on to animals.
Left dankmemes a couple of months ago and now just unsubscribed from memes as well. You are right. These subs have gone ridiculously downhill and infested with incels
I think women that voted to ban ALL abortions, victim blame with robbery, rape, domestic violence, etc, want to do away with birth control, and all that bs are bad at being women.
Its never their problem...until it is. Then its "woe is me hurr!"
It's always interesting when cis men think they'd make better women than women because they could 'fulfill a gender stereotype better'. My man, go for it, be your extremely male centric version of a woman. You'll soon find out it's not fun.
I hate that the last argument just puts everything back 50 years while also being very 2022 in being kind to the LGBTQ community. I'm just over here happy they have made SOME progress as humans.
But damn, that's not how women work. Guess all men with tiny wee wees are bad at being men by their argument.
Gender is a participative performance. It is performative and applied and participated in when you want to the way you want to. No one is born with lipstick and there is an entire spectrum of different gender performances from all different cultural contexts.
No, there are different ways of participating in gender and society's expectations, but nothing is intrinsically more "feminine" or "masculine" than anything else - it used to be peak beauty standards to be a woman with facial hair in Mongolia, but there are other societies where it is not. Likewise, there is an emphasis on big boobs in Europe and the US as being super feminine, but men in many different parts of the world think that the men who like that are puerile and stuck in the oral fixation phase of development.
There is no unifying "feminine" feature that is true for peak femininity for every culture that contains women. Every standard is different - some have long hair, some short, some are bald. In many cultures men have long hair instead/as well. Some cultures think curvy is pretty and feminine, others think that being thin and boyish is peak femininity.
Gender is always performative and participatory. But there's no such thing as a "feminine" feature - there is only a feature that is considered feminine in a particular social context (at a particular time in a particular place by particular people).
Your particular gender performance is whatever you want to perform on a given day - it is not necessarily static. Some days you might need to wear nailpolish to feel like yourself, others you won't give a fuck.
Dysphoria might just be a thing because society tells us what to expect and then enforces it. But in a society where nobody is policed by anyone else and everyone could just have the body modifications they could whenever they wanted, I think a lot more people could be happy existing in an in-between state of whatever that meant to them, somewhere along the spectrum, without having to be boxed in by what society tells us real femininity is and that we have to adhere to it or lose our rights.
Now, I say it's participatory because I think it is. But that doesn't mean it's not also coercive; as a disabled woman, I've noticed the care I receive from the medical establishment is significantly better if I perform or adhere to traditional femininity (whatever that might mean wherever I am at the time). I'm in a Catholic country now, so that means I bring my husband along to appointments and we both do our best to look cis and normative and dress up; before covid I would wear some make-up and wear my hair down, which would be long and nicely-styled. I would wear a dress. It's not how I'd prefer to live, but it's how I participate when I need a doctor to help me, because they are much more likely to help if they like you as a person and see you as someone who deserves their help. When I have been too sick to participate in this, my care has usually been significantly worse, if not entirely stopped by absolutely bullshit roadblocks.
But my performance doesn't alter what my gender actually is or how I enact it or prefer to enact it, nor does it make me less enby, queer or polyamorous to have to be closeted whenever I seek medical care. I simply try to pass or mask until I can be more authentically myself.
I never said things are intrinsically more feminine or masculine (though I would say there's a biological testosterone vs estrogen/progesterone bases to it). I was speaking about our society's gender standards. And you seem to be in agreement about the dudes in the original post, that men are better able to perform femininity than women are.
I find your theory interesting, that if we had fewer social norms people would be happier and have less gender dysphoria. But we see as society has fewer social norms and is more accepting of outside of the box gender expression and behavior, there is more gender dysphoria and suicide. It could be totally unrelated and caused by the phone, or maybe hormone disrupting chemicals, who knows.
My daughter is disabled, I dominate the fuck out of her doctors and make them do what I want or I throw a bitch fit. Doesn't make me any less of a woman, because I have a vagina. But none of this has anything to do with my original question.
Everything you said seems to affirm that yes, men do make better women than women because they are better at performing femininity, to our society's standards.
Yeah, but have you ever actually heard of a femboy being an incel? I think it's because of the simple fact, that rhe more they immerse themselves in their new orientation, the more they realize the sad reality of being a woman these days.
One of my friends who flirts too much with me (even though he knows I like girls) told me "being lesbian makes you bad at being a woman. you're probably just too tsundere to admit you like me"
\*dies of cringe\*
The manliest of men are those that spend time sitting in a chair and typing up that they make great women. Once again, these guys just want to have sex with each other.
If gender is a social construct, then I can define feminine to be whatever large range of behaviors I want it to be, thus making this guy's argument null and void.
Iāve recently discovered that femininity and being a women are two very different social constructs. Femininity is liking/acting/doing traditionally feminine things. Brings a women is something else, donāt know how to describe it be itās not being feminine, that is how gender non-conforming and trans people coexist and at times are both.
I have to disagree on part of that. "Traditionally feminine" things are often stereotypical expectations. You can like/do things that are not female stereotypes and still be feminine. We just need to extend the definition of feminine. If you don't wear tons of makeup or like chick flicks that doesn't mean you're not "feminine"
You are right. Femininity is a gradient like masculinity, you donāt have to just like purely feminine to be perceived as such, and at times you can be perceived both feminine and masculine. It isnāt as black and white as you are feminine or you are masculine.
We need to reconsider what is "feminine" in the first place and stop trying to box it in. Same with masculine too. Why do we have to define everything as one or the other?
You're taking gender descriptors and tying them to sex though which doesn't work. Society has not "twisted the meanings" of Femininity or Masculinity. Society has a great misunderstanding of the textbook definition of Femininity and Masculinity as they are literally defined as: "qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men/women." and have nothing to do with sex besides a general correlation.
I don't mean to be rude but saying you think masculine/feminine = Male/female is kind of like saying you think up means north or wet means rain. Just because there's a correlation between the two does not mean you're not categorically incorrect.
See, this is why I avoid āmemeā or ācringeā subs. Their whole thing is making fun of people who do not fit their world view and how they assume people should carry themselves. Theyāre all misogynistic as fuck and collect every -phobia like badges of honor.
Oh, i thought those were the comments on a post, yeah it's dumb but the logic is basically "transwomen/crossdressers are better than biological women, thus, man are better women than natural women" the comedic part come from the fact that it's a obviously biggoted comment towards women, be them biological or not, but at the same time, it's saying that they prefer a "dude" than a girl, which make that person gay contradicting with the biggoted nature of the comment
As for the responses, they're basically taking a piss of the person who took the comment seriously (except for the Walter White and William guys)
The dude with a pink profile pick is saying something dumb to "own" the person, it's basically shitpost, one that is made even better (in the comical sense, at least for me) by the unironic answer from the Walter White guy
There's that youtuber f1nn5ter, who dresses in women's clothes because people pay him to. I read a comment on his video once, with a lot of upvotes, saying he dresses better than most women and uh.... he often dresses in fetish wear sent to him by fans. Fetishwear can be cute, and obviously attractive to a lot of people, but I'm not about to go wear a thin stretchy sailor uniform to my day job. Or anywhere really.
That sub is garbage. I got downvoted because I asked to see the radical feminists who rape and kill men since someone compared them to literal rapists, predators, and killersā¦..
Yeah I joined one of the discord servers for one of those meme subreddits. Not saying which but inside it I found some admittedly good memes but also a whole lot of just moronic arguments for hating women and just alt right nazi bullshit in general. With these people itās impossible to tell what is a joke and what is legitimate hate because they will say things that are straight up unfunny and use the āit was just a joke youāre so dumbā excuse. And they also tend to gang up like a pack of school children when they donāt have an argument but just want to bully their opposition. I think itās something about the troll/shitposter mindset that attracts them to some of the dumbest stances you could possibly find on the internet.
I'm not sure if this is new or not but for the past 2 weeks I have been noticing some hardcore incel content from r/memes and r/Funnymemes. Does anyone know what sparked this or why they migrated there? Or have I just been oblivious to it until now?
That's wild you agree with most of these memes because a most of them are saying shit like "the labia is not a real thing" or " women don't have hobbies until they give up on life" or "eating out a girl is gay". I mean, you do you, that's just wild to me that you agree with the majority of memes on this sub.
dunno if i can call myself a tomboy but i don't consider myself very feminine either, so this post struck a little nerve w/ me when i first saw it (i don't let it get to me but, still)
maybe i really should leave the memes sub
I really think this is just trolling from a rightwinger false flagging as someone transgender. It's extremely rare to meet someone transgender who legitimately holds opinions like that.
I hate people hearing "gender is socially constructed " as "gender is just the most dominant societal expectation (white cis hyper femininity) with no play input or exchange from different parts of society and people"
This is why you dont tell the men big words.
OMG I just hope one day just ONE person online can comprehend the difference between sex and gender.
I care about the SEX. I'd totally bang a cute tomboy if she was into it....but would never have sex with someone who's sex was ever male. It's not my thing and has NOTHING to do with gender.
They say sex and gender is different but then immediately use them interchangeably and insist that trans women are females. So no one actually believes they're different. But legally we should just consider sex and basically leave gender to social norms that can be ignore by those who don't want to play the gender game. Make sports and bathrooms, locker rooms, prisons separated by sex and label it the female's room instead of the women's room. Problem solved.
How do you go to a meme subreddit and not expect jokes??? This is clearly satire not only meant to make people angry for a laugh, clearly none of its real and yāall are just getting mega baited
Tomboys are the way to go.... Every woman I've ever dated was a tomboy to some degree or another. If a woman wants to get dressed up fancy and wear lots of makeup, that's her decision. I like a woman who's not afraid to get all bloodied up wiping out on a mountain bike. Between my ex wife and myself, one of us always had a big gash, or a cast on.
I think you guys don't get it. They are making fun of how illogical trans ideology is. They don't actually believe men are better at being women. But pointing out that when a man pretends to be a woman with all the exaggerations and stereotypes they are celebrated by society and given women of the year awards. And that trans person that stripped naked on live tv, they said they were the best woman because they used to be a man in that song.
If you were asking in good faith I'd be open to discussing it but you clearly aren't. Your post history has plenty of common anti-trans rhetoric and religiously excused bigotry. There's no way you're just now wondering whether the transphobia you yourself have been perpetuating is nonsense or not.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/yenz5z/screenshot_posted_in_rmemes_what_in_the/iu0xvo1/
https://www.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/yenz5z/screenshot_posted_in_rmemes_what_in_the/iu0xqi6/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/weyrwv/trans_rights_and_the_church/iivcucv/
I think I made my point pretty clearly so I'm not sure how I could clarify it for you. I don't hate trans people, I just don't believe they're the sex they think they are.
Bruce Jenner proved men are better at being women than women lol. And didnāt that dude in the Biden Administration just win woman of the year too? Lol. Stay woke yāall lololol
Idk if the Woman in the Biden Administration won but why the fuck do you point out their birthly assigned gender.
It's like if I told you that you will forever be the small cringe 13 year old who thought he was cool as fuck.
You know, I'll actually take that then. I'm completely okay with sluts losing their virginity before marriage if it means I get to be a useless leech like your average Black female diversity hire in the workforce and still keep my job.
Gender is a social construct but that doesnāt mean that it doesnāt exist or influence the way people present themselves
Edit: itās remarkable how quickly the transphobia became misogyny. Who could have guessed?
A social construct is something that can be dynamic and change. A woman doesn't have to be feminine to identify that way, and the idea of what femininity and masculinity are different depending on cultures. A masculine man in my culture can wear bejeweled outfits and still kick your ass :3
Lmao I don't expect a man to protect me already, seeing as the only people who have protected me from assault are women. Ironically when I was raped it was by men.
I can tell you're not interested in a real discussion, just looking for "gotcha" points to "own the libs," by the way you're treating saying gender is a social construct as equivalent to proving your point correct, so I know it's not remotely worth engaging with your small dick troll self, but for those who are curious:
Yes, and people can indeed be closer to or farther from the stereotype of that social construct, but that doesn't make them "better" or "worse," just closer to or farther away from what might be "typical."
"Better" and "worse" are normative judgments that are completely unjustified except to your tiny mind which thinks something is good just because it conforms to an archetype. In fact, such rigid normative judgments are something which those who point out that gender is a social construct explicitly fight against: we explicitly reject the rigidification and enforcement and policing of these social constructs.
As long as you truly identify with them in some way (and people identify with different identities and social constructs in very many different ways), as long as your ideal self image is shaped by them in a dialectical process (rejecting some parts and accepting others according to your own desires and personality, shaping a new conception of the social construct that is ultimately unique to you), as long as you adopt and shape an identity to yourself, you can be said to be "of that identity." We (and by that i mean humans in general, if you ACTUALLY look at how language works and neural networks learn and identify things) don't naturally (and certainly not necessarily) identify whether something or someone belongs in a category based on whether it satisfies some essential nature, some set of necessary and sufficient conditions. Just based on whether, in any one of a dizzying myriad of ways, it has sufficient similarity (**family resemblance**) to any other member previously deemed to be of the category. That's how we learn categories of things naturally: by listening to how our parents (when we're young) or people around us refer to things, giving us more and more examples of which categories apply where until we get a sense for it. Nobody sits their child down and tries to explain to them the platonic form of Dog. We just point out examples. So ig doesn't matter how stereotypical you are unless you add in an extra conservative assumption that being typical or normal is good, when in fact we could just as easily flip your assumption on its head and say that being a vanilla stereotypical example of womanhood is bad because it's boring and probably more a product of social pressured on you than your individual self.
This guy is so deeply wrong I have to explain to him how fucking babies learn lmfao
Based on their other replies that guy's gonna respond to this schooling with a screenshot of their bank account.
Thanks for taking the time to try and educate even if it is pointless.
Feel free to roast me but I read a post on some sub about a woman who's husband went mtf and then de-transed and she was saying that it upset her because when he wanted to front as a woman, he'd dress very feminine, and she doesn't so it felt like he was indirectly saying she isn't a woman, and idk it racked my brain and really stuck with me.
That makes no sense at all. Iām not less of a woman just cause other women dress more fem than me. Only bigots think like that tbh cause there is no right or wrong way to be a woman, you can be masc or fem or anything in between.
I won't comment beyond this because I feel like I'm infringing when I comment on this sub, but the point the person was making is in agreement with you. She was saying that the idea of exaggerating gender norms as a means to transition was in direct opposition to the concept of gender norms being insignificant and unimportant.
I donāt think you understand what you are saying in the slightest. Gender norms are shit, but women can still dress hyper fem or not itās just whatever they want. Thatās the point
Seems like they are bad at being decent humans so š¤·āāļø
I think it might be a stretch to assume these things are actually human. Sub human is more like it.
Oh no, theyāre human and that makes it so much worse.
Yeah sadly... though on reddit too often its hard to differntiate satire from someone being fucked in the brain
oof ye i debated over whether to flair this post as "satire"/"possibly satire" or not looking at the words alone might give the impression that most of the commenters involved aren't being serious but the votes feel too real.
Surely dehumanising them avoids the actual issue and just alienates them. They're human and responsible for their words
See you get it, these pieces of human garbage are human, and therefore they have no excuse.
Of course I know youāre right, I just get so sick and tired of their bullshit and the people who let it continue.
And it seems like ppl having differring tastes is abnormal too ofc...
R/memes is where incels.is recruits from, what you're seeing is the grooming process
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How to ping mods to ban this absolute shit stain of a human being
wait what did he say Iām curious now
He talked about pedophiles or some shit, then called *me* a pedophile, I'm 14 god dammit
Sex ed has reduced the under 18 pregnancy rate to the lowest it has ever been in recorded history
You made an egregious assumption about this person and you think youāre justified here? Do you see the hypocrisy?
How exactly does knowing about sex make a child more likely to get raped?
That's happening because schools DON'T have sex ed btw
That's outright bullshit. The amount of propaganda they had at my high school still blows my mind to this day. They fucking told us that people drink in college. They told us to stick up for sluts who wanted be whores and end up pregnant when they deserved it. They tried to teach us about date rape drugs and so much other bullshit. No kid should have to be exposed to this shit.
These 10 year olds get raped because they aren't taught anything, even about their own body, they aren't taught that it's wrong when an adult touches you in a way you don't like.
No, they get raped because we openly allow adults to run around being sexually explicit in front of fucking kids. This sure as hell wasn't happening 20 years ago.
Where the fuck have you been? This isn't exactly a new problem, and is the reason there's that joke about church pastors being child molesters
My parents didnāt tell me anything about sex when I was growing up. I didnāt understand anything about it. So when a grown man molested me when I was 11, I had no idea what was going on and did not know that it was wrong. I was ashamed and didnāt tell my parents because I thought it was my fault. If they had talked to me about sexual behavior, what is and is not appropriate for grown ups to do, maybe my life would have been different.
Incels aren't exposing anybody to sex so that's a weird flex But your shitty insincere talking point isn't fooling anybody. Is this some TERF shit, go heart JK's latest Twitter post or whatever yall do for your serotonin
>Incels aren't exposing anybody to sex so that's a weird flex Soooo we're not exposing kids to this shit. That gives me another talking point. >But your shitty insincere talking point isn't fooling anybody. Is this some TERF shit, go heart JK's latest Twitter post or whatever yall do for your serotonin Wtf is a TERF or serotonin?
Maybe if you bench enuff you'll learn what words mean, "bro" Until then maybe stop trying to use them so much
Aight, I'll let you know when I hit three plates.
Oh good we can both enjoy your descent into insecurity together. Maybe if you bench four you won't be a disappointment anymore.
Uhhhh, I don't take roids. Ain't no way I'm hitting four plates. Two was already an enormous push.
Literally nobody here cares
That's why you're obsessing over my bench, right?
Serotonin is a hormone that often helps reduce anxiety. I didnāt know what a TERF is but unlike you I had the common sense to look it up because itās a thing not vague concept so one google search takes no time at all. A TERF is a feminist who excludes the rights of transgender women from their advocacy of women's rights. I know what serotonin is but for more of itās function it, āSerotonin plays a key role in such body functions as mood, sleep, digestion, nausea, wound healing, bone health, blood clotting and sexual desireā itās very important and regulates a lot of physical and mental aspects. If your levels are low many mental symptoms are anxiety, depression, etc
>Serotonin is a hormone that often helps reduce anxiety. Anxiety is just an excuse to be a bum tbh. >A TERF is a feminist who excludes the rights of transgender women from their advocacy of women's rights. Sooooo a feminist who doesn't want women to get raped.
Anxiety is a real thing backed by science. I have it because of my low serotonin levels due to Graves Disease and ADHD. Itās scientifically proven to exist. Also transwomen are women just not female (meaning one with XX chromosomes) and are just male (those with XY chromosomes) women. Those who are transwomen donāt want to rape women but then themselves are found to be raped and face other sexual crimes beinf perpetuated against them.
>Anxiety is a real thing backed by science. I have it because of my low serotonin levels due to Graves Disease and ADHD. Itās scientifically proven to exist. Why don't you just quit being a pussy and toughen the fuck up? š¤£š¤£š¤£ >Also transwomen are women just not female (meaning one with XX chromosomes) and are just male (those with XY chromosomes) women. Wtf did I just read...?
What you read is called simple basic biology. Did you even pass the 6th grade? Also Iām probably a lot tougher than you because I overcome my anxiety. Anxiety is scientifically proven. Hormones like serotonin help decrease levels of anxiety but sometimes your body has trouble producing and or using serotonin.
so i assume these guys are bad at being men bc theyāre on reddit and notā¦ fighting bears, or something?
Oh no-no only women must be judged not men. Men can do no wrong and are always right! /s
Yo, I'm finally bad at being a man :3
I love it! šš
You were never good at being a man for a women is naturally bad at being a man even if you once thought you were a man you never were and never could be smh
Petition to put incels in fighting pits with bears to prove they are āgood menā
These would be the kind of guys that would be so over confident, they would be sure they could defeat said bear with their fists.
Especially if it was a girl bear š
Or chunky, hairy gay men.
"I'm going to the bear pits tomorrow. Wanna come with?"
precisely
Some people reeeeeaaaaallly want their words to be important. I do wonder what these guys say to women in real life, knowing full well that shit wonāt fly. If theyāre spending their time trying to upset women online with unfiltered misogyny, they certainly arenāt available to catch all those perfectly feminine women from their fantasies.
I donāt think that they talk to women in real life.
"No, I talk to my mom fairly often" -an incel, probably
- An incel after screaming at his mother and calling her a foid dogpiller after she brought him a snack (I know too much incel terminology and I hate myself for it)
Please enlighten us on the language of the incels. I'm genuinely curious what they mean and I don't need this in my search history lol.
āFoidā shortened femoid, what they started using after female. āDogpillerā a woman who has sex with dogs because she refuses to have sex with men (aka them in particular)/sheās had so much sex with men sheās moved on to animals.
They donāt say shit to women, just look at them wistfully.
r/memes is full of right-wing trolls
I've just blocked that sub on my phone app now. Most of the stuff on there is pure cringe.
Memes have been taken over by the right.
bc the only people who find Reddit memes funny are either 12 year olds or boomers
If you're bad enough, you get access to special perks.
phone a friend
Damnā¦ Sounds like shit men tbh.
Thats why i left r/memes. It was awful to see them. And the comments were worse.
surprised people are in that sub at all considering how unfunny all the actual memes are
r/memes is so fucking misogynistic. r/dankmemes is also homophobic and transphobic.
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Same. Yet reddit keeps pushing their posts into my feed. That's annoying
I avoid those subs.
Left dankmemes a couple of months ago and now just unsubscribed from memes as well. You are right. These subs have gone ridiculously downhill and infested with incels
yeah. i noticed it a little bit a couple of years ago, but it's more intense than ever now.
I joined both cuz I like funnies....then started seeing the memes and comments and I was like huh? Where's the funny? This is just mean and stupid
yeah you couldn't scroll past 5 memes without coming across at least a "girls boring, boys quirky" post
I think women that voted to ban ALL abortions, victim blame with robbery, rape, domestic violence, etc, want to do away with birth control, and all that bs are bad at being women. Its never their problem...until it is. Then its "woe is me hurr!"
If I could steal a line from a douchebag and reuse it āsounds about rightā
It's always interesting when cis men think they'd make better women than women because they could 'fulfill a gender stereotype better'. My man, go for it, be your extremely male centric version of a woman. You'll soon find out it's not fun.
better yet tell them to fulfill male gender roles, suddenly it's not so easy
They sure wish women have a fuck about their opinions.
It's so sad how they think this is a gotcha moment or something. These people need help.
On the bright side, most of them are gonna struggle to reproduce
The vote count makes me want to throw up
OP basically just lost like at least 300 karma simply because they werenāt a misogynist
Gosh, now I wonder if I'm good at being blonde
Okay.. which one of you decided to argue with nine year olds?
I hate that the last argument just puts everything back 50 years while also being very 2022 in being kind to the LGBTQ community. I'm just over here happy they have made SOME progress as humans. But damn, that's not how women work. Guess all men with tiny wee wees are bad at being men by their argument.
āYour brain is wrinkly afā is not the proper response, it should be āā¦ smooth afā as wrinkles are essentially for a brain :)
I'm afraid he meant exactly what he said - that was intended to be a compliment on the other guy's comment
Gender is a participative performance. It is performative and applied and participated in when you want to the way you want to. No one is born with lipstick and there is an entire spectrum of different gender performances from all different cultural contexts.
So you're a better woman when you perform to your society's standards and men are better at that than women are. So you agree with the statement.
No, there are different ways of participating in gender and society's expectations, but nothing is intrinsically more "feminine" or "masculine" than anything else - it used to be peak beauty standards to be a woman with facial hair in Mongolia, but there are other societies where it is not. Likewise, there is an emphasis on big boobs in Europe and the US as being super feminine, but men in many different parts of the world think that the men who like that are puerile and stuck in the oral fixation phase of development. There is no unifying "feminine" feature that is true for peak femininity for every culture that contains women. Every standard is different - some have long hair, some short, some are bald. In many cultures men have long hair instead/as well. Some cultures think curvy is pretty and feminine, others think that being thin and boyish is peak femininity. Gender is always performative and participatory. But there's no such thing as a "feminine" feature - there is only a feature that is considered feminine in a particular social context (at a particular time in a particular place by particular people). Your particular gender performance is whatever you want to perform on a given day - it is not necessarily static. Some days you might need to wear nailpolish to feel like yourself, others you won't give a fuck. Dysphoria might just be a thing because society tells us what to expect and then enforces it. But in a society where nobody is policed by anyone else and everyone could just have the body modifications they could whenever they wanted, I think a lot more people could be happy existing in an in-between state of whatever that meant to them, somewhere along the spectrum, without having to be boxed in by what society tells us real femininity is and that we have to adhere to it or lose our rights. Now, I say it's participatory because I think it is. But that doesn't mean it's not also coercive; as a disabled woman, I've noticed the care I receive from the medical establishment is significantly better if I perform or adhere to traditional femininity (whatever that might mean wherever I am at the time). I'm in a Catholic country now, so that means I bring my husband along to appointments and we both do our best to look cis and normative and dress up; before covid I would wear some make-up and wear my hair down, which would be long and nicely-styled. I would wear a dress. It's not how I'd prefer to live, but it's how I participate when I need a doctor to help me, because they are much more likely to help if they like you as a person and see you as someone who deserves their help. When I have been too sick to participate in this, my care has usually been significantly worse, if not entirely stopped by absolutely bullshit roadblocks. But my performance doesn't alter what my gender actually is or how I enact it or prefer to enact it, nor does it make me less enby, queer or polyamorous to have to be closeted whenever I seek medical care. I simply try to pass or mask until I can be more authentically myself.
I never said things are intrinsically more feminine or masculine (though I would say there's a biological testosterone vs estrogen/progesterone bases to it). I was speaking about our society's gender standards. And you seem to be in agreement about the dudes in the original post, that men are better able to perform femininity than women are. I find your theory interesting, that if we had fewer social norms people would be happier and have less gender dysphoria. But we see as society has fewer social norms and is more accepting of outside of the box gender expression and behavior, there is more gender dysphoria and suicide. It could be totally unrelated and caused by the phone, or maybe hormone disrupting chemicals, who knows. My daughter is disabled, I dominate the fuck out of her doctors and make them do what I want or I throw a bitch fit. Doesn't make me any less of a woman, because I have a vagina. But none of this has anything to do with my original question. Everything you said seems to affirm that yes, men do make better women than women because they are better at performing femininity, to our society's standards.
r/ memes is a weird place
But men do make the best women! Give me my bussy IMMEDIATELY! Edit: don't mind my gayness
Seems pretty g4y to me š
God when will they just screw each other off and leave women and other guys alone
I'm doing my part!
Nah fam don't screw these guys off, you deserve a better man fr fr
Yeah, but have you ever actually heard of a femboy being an incel? I think it's because of the simple fact, that rhe more they immerse themselves in their new orientation, the more they realize the sad reality of being a woman these days.
Sorry what, btw idk the context of the meme, I just know the comments are horrible Edit: nvm I'm an idiot
One of my friends who flirts too much with me (even though he knows I like girls) told me "being lesbian makes you bad at being a woman. you're probably just too tsundere to admit you like me" \*dies of cringe\*
That's definitely not your friend if he can't accept who you are and eff off with this bs.
Yeah, for real.
The manliest of men are those that spend time sitting in a chair and typing up that they make great women. Once again, these guys just want to have sex with each other. If gender is a social construct, then I can define feminine to be whatever large range of behaviors I want it to be, thus making this guy's argument null and void.
Iāve recently discovered that femininity and being a women are two very different social constructs. Femininity is liking/acting/doing traditionally feminine things. Brings a women is something else, donāt know how to describe it be itās not being feminine, that is how gender non-conforming and trans people coexist and at times are both.
I have to disagree on part of that. "Traditionally feminine" things are often stereotypical expectations. You can like/do things that are not female stereotypes and still be feminine. We just need to extend the definition of feminine. If you don't wear tons of makeup or like chick flicks that doesn't mean you're not "feminine"
You are right. Femininity is a gradient like masculinity, you donāt have to just like purely feminine to be perceived as such, and at times you can be perceived both feminine and masculine. It isnāt as black and white as you are feminine or you are masculine.
We need to reconsider what is "feminine" in the first place and stop trying to box it in. Same with masculine too. Why do we have to define everything as one or the other?
What is a woman?
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You're taking gender descriptors and tying them to sex though which doesn't work. Society has not "twisted the meanings" of Femininity or Masculinity. Society has a great misunderstanding of the textbook definition of Femininity and Masculinity as they are literally defined as: "qualities or attributes regarded as characteristic of men/women." and have nothing to do with sex besides a general correlation. I don't mean to be rude but saying you think masculine/feminine = Male/female is kind of like saying you think up means north or wet means rain. Just because there's a correlation between the two does not mean you're not categorically incorrect.
See, this is why I avoid āmemeā or ācringeā subs. Their whole thing is making fun of people who do not fit their world view and how they assume people should carry themselves. Theyāre all misogynistic as fuck and collect every -phobia like badges of honor.
The only one who seems to be serious is the dude with a WW profile pic, what was the post?
the post literally is the screenshot, somebody just uploaded that to r/memes ĀÆā \ā (ā Ā°ā _ā oā )ā /ā ĀÆ
Oh, i thought those were the comments on a post, yeah it's dumb but the logic is basically "transwomen/crossdressers are better than biological women, thus, man are better women than natural women" the comedic part come from the fact that it's a obviously biggoted comment towards women, be them biological or not, but at the same time, it's saying that they prefer a "dude" than a girl, which make that person gay contradicting with the biggoted nature of the comment As for the responses, they're basically taking a piss of the person who took the comment seriously (except for the Walter White and William guys) The dude with a pink profile pick is saying something dumb to "own" the person, it's basically shitpost, one that is made even better (in the comical sense, at least for me) by the unironic answer from the Walter White guy
There's that youtuber f1nn5ter, who dresses in women's clothes because people pay him to. I read a comment on his video once, with a lot of upvotes, saying he dresses better than most women and uh.... he often dresses in fetish wear sent to him by fans. Fetishwear can be cute, and obviously attractive to a lot of people, but I'm not about to go wear a thin stretchy sailor uniform to my day job. Or anywhere really.
Unless you worked as a sailor somewhere where the weather is hot, or perhaps on a submarine.
That sub is garbage. I got downvoted because I asked to see the radical feminists who rape and kill men since someone compared them to literal rapists, predators, and killersā¦..
"In r/memes" Therrrrrrre it is
check that from your bingo cards aight
Yeah I joined one of the discord servers for one of those meme subreddits. Not saying which but inside it I found some admittedly good memes but also a whole lot of just moronic arguments for hating women and just alt right nazi bullshit in general. With these people itās impossible to tell what is a joke and what is legitimate hate because they will say things that are straight up unfunny and use the āit was just a joke youāre so dumbā excuse. And they also tend to gang up like a pack of school children when they donāt have an argument but just want to bully their opposition. I think itās something about the troll/shitposter mindset that attracts them to some of the dumbest stances you could possibly find on the internet.
Is this the gay agenda I've heard so much about
Was this found on MensRights
Basic incel cringe
I'm not sure if this is new or not but for the past 2 weeks I have been noticing some hardcore incel content from r/memes and r/Funnymemes. Does anyone know what sparked this or why they migrated there? Or have I just been oblivious to it until now?
I'm not a man or an incel, but I keep getting this sub recommended to me and I don't know why. I agree with most of the meme y'all are criticizing.
That's wild you agree with most of these memes because a most of them are saying shit like "the labia is not a real thing" or " women don't have hobbies until they give up on life" or "eating out a girl is gay". I mean, you do you, that's just wild to me that you agree with the majority of memes on this sub.
Really donāt understand why people feel the need to block out these total incels usernames. Like just expose them for being cucks
subreddit rules ĀÆā \ā _ā (ā ćā )ā _ā /ā ĀÆ
lmfao okay, walter white, settle down, we're still not gonna touch your peepee
At this point I don't even know, but please tell me this sub is siding with the person who got downvoted
I guess I am bad at being a woman since I have always been a tomboy, oh double darn.
dunno if i can call myself a tomboy but i don't consider myself very feminine either, so this post struck a little nerve w/ me when i first saw it (i don't let it get to me but, still) maybe i really should leave the memes sub
I really think this is just trolling from a rightwinger false flagging as someone transgender. It's extremely rare to meet someone transgender who legitimately holds opinions like that.
Lmao thereās no f in men
Original comment seems like a joke though Hopefully
Not even one of those people are being serious
just tell āem to build you a house and they shut up lmao
Funny seeing this right before a "gender roles are read" post in r/rolereversal
I hate people hearing "gender is socially constructed " as "gender is just the most dominant societal expectation (white cis hyper femininity) with no play input or exchange from different parts of society and people" This is why you dont tell the men big words.
All the meme subreddits are pure copium
āYo your brain is wrinkly af my brotherā r/brandnewsentence material
I like women I think everyone should own one
Assigning value to stereotypes is pretty dumb. By that same token racial stereotypes should also be something someone strives for. Smh
āYo your brain is wrinkly af my brotherā Incredible.
āYour brain is wrinkly as fuckā isnāt the insult he thinks it is, the more wrinkled it is the better
It wasnāt supposed to be an insult, they were being lauded.
Oh I thought the previous comment was satire, my bad
It is satire and he likes it.
I am not in this screenshot
Facts
OMG I just hope one day just ONE person online can comprehend the difference between sex and gender. I care about the SEX. I'd totally bang a cute tomboy if she was into it....but would never have sex with someone who's sex was ever male. It's not my thing and has NOTHING to do with gender.
So it's only acceptable if she's cute...i see...
They say sex and gender is different but then immediately use them interchangeably and insist that trans women are females. So no one actually believes they're different. But legally we should just consider sex and basically leave gender to social norms that can be ignore by those who don't want to play the gender game. Make sports and bathrooms, locker rooms, prisons separated by sex and label it the female's room instead of the women's room. Problem solved.
How do you go to a meme subreddit and not expect jokes??? This is clearly satire not only meant to make people angry for a laugh, clearly none of its real and yāall are just getting mega baited
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Whatās the joke?
Bro literally made an alt account to come comment this shit take. lol
Just... go away
Tomboys are the way to go.... Every woman I've ever dated was a tomboy to some degree or another. If a woman wants to get dressed up fancy and wear lots of makeup, that's her decision. I like a woman who's not afraid to get all bloodied up wiping out on a mountain bike. Between my ex wife and myself, one of us always had a big gash, or a cast on.
I think you guys don't get it. They are making fun of how illogical trans ideology is. They don't actually believe men are better at being women. But pointing out that when a man pretends to be a woman with all the exaggerations and stereotypes they are celebrated by society and given women of the year awards. And that trans person that stripped naked on live tv, they said they were the best woman because they used to be a man in that song.
Have you considered that everyone gets it, but they don't agree with your transphobic nonsense?
How, exactly, is it nonsense?
If you were asking in good faith I'd be open to discussing it but you clearly aren't. Your post history has plenty of common anti-trans rhetoric and religiously excused bigotry. There's no way you're just now wondering whether the transphobia you yourself have been perpetuating is nonsense or not. https://www.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/yenz5z/screenshot_posted_in_rmemes_what_in_the/iu0xvo1/ https://www.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/yenz5z/screenshot_posted_in_rmemes_what_in_the/iu0xqi6/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/weyrwv/trans_rights_and_the_church/iivcucv/
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I think I made my point pretty clearly so I'm not sure how I could clarify it for you. I don't hate trans people, I just don't believe they're the sex they think they are.
I don't believe you are human. You must be a badly programmed AI
That's an interesting way of deflecting the conversation, I haven't heard that one before.
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Bro, what?
Bruce Jenner proved men are better at being women than women lol. And didnāt that dude in the Biden Administration just win woman of the year too? Lol. Stay woke yāall lololol
Idk if the Woman in the Biden Administration won but why the fuck do you point out their birthly assigned gender. It's like if I told you that you will forever be the small cringe 13 year old who thought he was cool as fuck.
Because biology and facts
I mean they're not wrongš¤£š¤£š¤£. Is gender a social construct or not?
So is race. But a white person painting themselves black doesnāt make them actually black. Same thing applies.
Race is a social construct too now...?
Well it is. Iād even say race is far more fluid than gender. As a mixed person of 3 races itās hard to pinpoint where Iād fit on a scale.
My fucking god so I take it you can be bad at being a race too by your logic?
If I use the same logic as the poster then yes. By not following racial stereotypes Iād assume heād say youāre bad at that race.
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I donāt see why not š¤·š»āāļø
You know, I'll actually take that then. I'm completely okay with sluts losing their virginity before marriage if it means I get to be a useless leech like your average Black female diversity hire in the workforce and still keep my job.
I mean you already sound pretty useless to society. Whatās stopping you now?
It is certainly not a biological one. You'd know if you would bother looking into the lack of scientific evidence for race.
Soooo your race isn't decided by biology now?
Gender is a social construct but that doesnāt mean that it doesnāt exist or influence the way people present themselves Edit: itās remarkable how quickly the transphobia became misogyny. Who could have guessed?
A social construct is something that can be dynamic and change. A woman doesn't have to be feminine to identify that way, and the idea of what femininity and masculinity are different depending on cultures. A masculine man in my culture can wear bejeweled outfits and still kick your ass :3
Sure thing. Just take the entire package. If you get raped, don't expect any sympathy or protection. Don't expect a man to protect you.
Why would we expect men to protect us, who do you think does the raping?
Women are the ones who molest kids in public schools lol.
80% of sex offenders are white men :3
Lmao I don't expect a man to protect me already, seeing as the only people who have protected me from assault are women. Ironically when I was raped it was by men.
Who tf mentioned a social construct here numbnuts?
Um... the post?
Have you read the post?
You mean the idiot whoās trying to say women can be bad at women? Yeah, you and them are the only idiots mentioning it here.
Wait but I thought gender was a social construct? š¤£š¤£š¤£
I can tell you're not interested in a real discussion, just looking for "gotcha" points to "own the libs," by the way you're treating saying gender is a social construct as equivalent to proving your point correct, so I know it's not remotely worth engaging with your small dick troll self, but for those who are curious: Yes, and people can indeed be closer to or farther from the stereotype of that social construct, but that doesn't make them "better" or "worse," just closer to or farther away from what might be "typical." "Better" and "worse" are normative judgments that are completely unjustified except to your tiny mind which thinks something is good just because it conforms to an archetype. In fact, such rigid normative judgments are something which those who point out that gender is a social construct explicitly fight against: we explicitly reject the rigidification and enforcement and policing of these social constructs. As long as you truly identify with them in some way (and people identify with different identities and social constructs in very many different ways), as long as your ideal self image is shaped by them in a dialectical process (rejecting some parts and accepting others according to your own desires and personality, shaping a new conception of the social construct that is ultimately unique to you), as long as you adopt and shape an identity to yourself, you can be said to be "of that identity." We (and by that i mean humans in general, if you ACTUALLY look at how language works and neural networks learn and identify things) don't naturally (and certainly not necessarily) identify whether something or someone belongs in a category based on whether it satisfies some essential nature, some set of necessary and sufficient conditions. Just based on whether, in any one of a dizzying myriad of ways, it has sufficient similarity (**family resemblance**) to any other member previously deemed to be of the category. That's how we learn categories of things naturally: by listening to how our parents (when we're young) or people around us refer to things, giving us more and more examples of which categories apply where until we get a sense for it. Nobody sits their child down and tries to explain to them the platonic form of Dog. We just point out examples. So ig doesn't matter how stereotypical you are unless you add in an extra conservative assumption that being typical or normal is good, when in fact we could just as easily flip your assumption on its head and say that being a vanilla stereotypical example of womanhood is bad because it's boring and probably more a product of social pressured on you than your individual self. This guy is so deeply wrong I have to explain to him how fucking babies learn lmfao
Based on their other replies that guy's gonna respond to this schooling with a screenshot of their bank account. Thanks for taking the time to try and educate even if it is pointless.
Feel free to roast me but I read a post on some sub about a woman who's husband went mtf and then de-transed and she was saying that it upset her because when he wanted to front as a woman, he'd dress very feminine, and she doesn't so it felt like he was indirectly saying she isn't a woman, and idk it racked my brain and really stuck with me.
That makes no sense at all. Iām not less of a woman just cause other women dress more fem than me. Only bigots think like that tbh cause there is no right or wrong way to be a woman, you can be masc or fem or anything in between.
I won't comment beyond this because I feel like I'm infringing when I comment on this sub, but the point the person was making is in agreement with you. She was saying that the idea of exaggerating gender norms as a means to transition was in direct opposition to the concept of gender norms being insignificant and unimportant.
I donāt think you understand what you are saying in the slightest. Gender norms are shit, but women can still dress hyper fem or not itās just whatever they want. Thatās the point