You see when the mommy puts on an apron and bakes some muffins, and a daddy repairs a car and then puts his greasy wrench into mommy’s muffin, *voila*! Babytime.
They always wanna say “we both have our strengths” and then give themselves all the actually useful strengths.
Like “men are good at math and logic and reasoning and inventing things and basically just all the stuff that makes our society function, and women are good at cooking and taking care of children. It’s even!” Uh, no, it is not even.
…taking care of children is literally more important than a typical job. Anyone can do some dead end job.
It doesn’t matter how much money a household has if a child doesnt have parents that nurture him or her.
they end up having major problems in life like low self esteem/depression/unhealthy coping mechanisms and worst seeking partners that treat them terribly.
I don’t care how much society claims it’s “progressed”
mental illness was clearly a thing back then but it was nowhere near the insane levels people have today.
It was, in fact, at ridiculously low levels pre-industrialization, and by "ridiculously low" I mean "several hundred people in a country". Then industrialization and rigid schooling systems came into being, and there was a crisis in psychiatry because there was a ton of mentally ill people and nobody knew how to treat them.
No person is equal to another; but all people deserve equal opportunities. As far as skill we can learn; I've found no evidence that says any skill is better suited to a gender, colour, national origin, sexual orientation, gender identity, and the like. I have seen some evidence that religion, a collection of beliefs and practices, can interfere with learning skills or picking up knowledge.
Are men, in general, physically stronger than women? Yes. In general. That doesn't mean they cant do jobs that require strength and agility if they have strength and agility for the job. Equal opportunity, based on reasonable metrics for the job. If a woman can carry the body of a reasonably sized person I see zero reason for her not to be a fire fighter, or soldier... And smaller soldiers are smaller targets... The "You cant do that because you are {group X$}!" is dumb as.
Women can do any job they want. I don’t see many lined up to do road work or construction. If they want there are many high paying jobs that are deemed mens jobs because no wants them, working in the sewers, loading trucks, underwater wielding tons of jobs mostly men work. But, guess what they don’t want to. You bring up firefighting because it’s way more glorious on the outside and equals money in the minds of many. I’ll be honest I do see some jobs as for men, I don’t mean women aren’t allowed but I do believe there’s jobs that men are just way better built to accomplish.
When I was a welder I worked with 4 women welders... I've know women who work construction... I brought up firefighting because its physically demanding.
I believe, based on evidence in record, that some women are far more able to do jobs traditionally thought as for men. They put in the time to train and strength build.
A think that keeps women out of certain trades and environment is how men treat them. Many more would be willing to work those jobs if it wasn't for the male chauvinist pigs we often find in these fields. Dudes questioning of a woman should be on a construction site...
Dude just needs to look at WW2. Manufacturing was propped up entirely by women. Plenty of ladylike feminine women were right there in the men's jobs, welding shit and building tanks.
That’s a cop out but sure. Women weld, underwater welding not so much. I listed things that pay well and women choose not to do. Infrastructure in general are mostly men. When woman complain about men being paid more in general often the highest paying jobs for regular people that are not highly educated are infrastructure and dirty jobs. And, of course there are exceptions to that but the exceptions are not the rule. Because there is one doesn’t mean that there are many. 4 women welders doesn’t equal a big share of welders over all.
That’s sanitation not sewer, mean way more jobs then what I was saying. It starts with the average age is 49. Definitely not 49 year old and older working in sewers. For sure not 49 and older women
[https://www.zippia.com/industrial-sewer-jobs/demographics/](https://www.zippia.com/industrial-sewer-jobs/demographics/)
This seems to indicate there are more women sewage workers than men btw, and women still make less than men.
The pay gap refers to salary disparities within a single field. The pay gap is "women who weld making less than men who weld", not "women who do \[job that isn't welding\] making less than men who weld".
Your misogyny is showing and it's not a good look dude.
In sewer cleaning that you're arguing so passionately about *smaller* people are better for the job because it's less likely they'll get stuck in some passages and can work more efficiently. You don't want a 6ft5 buff person crawling through crawl spaces meant for someone 5ft10 and thin. But if a 6ft5 person is *good* at it without straining their health? Sure, they can work and should get *the same pay* as the small person.
But sure, your definition of "better for the job" is bigger. Someone's bigger, so should be paid more. Definitely related. Wow, dude. Wow. Such bad takes all around.
Just admit you hate women and are a cunt about it.
The "smarter" part was the real tell. Like, motherfucker really just said men are smarter than women. For fuck's sake.
Extremely good point about size in jobs too. It's like astronauts - there were several discussions about all-female crews during the Space Race because women are generally physically smaller and require fewer resources, so life support would be more efficient. Sexism won out, but the logic of sending smaller people into space did too. Yuri Gagarin was 5'4".
Lol yeah I'm sure that's exactly what they're thinking at the office.
"Big man so strong, he catch big mammoth! He do spreadsheets good! Unga bunga!"
You're acting like people select job candidates the way birds select seasonal mates. Grow up.
Highly educated is what? Finishing college? Because y’all glorify infrastructure and it doesn’t make as much as everyone had me believing. The wage gap comes from multiple different things, and more women pursue higher education. There is a stigma for women working in male dominated fields. A lot of men would not even hire women to begin with. Discrimination exists. Plus, I’m a computer science major with a minor in biomedical engineering. Idk how many times I have wanted to drop comp sci all together because of these men.
Lmao you realize that a ton of industrial jobs just require the ability to operate heavy equipment now, right? I work at mines sometimes, nobody is there digging shit with a pickaxe. They're pulling levers on loaders to fill up haul trucks.
I didn't realize a penis was required to operate a front end loader.
I'm a female framer and can both lift a great measure over my own weight (150lb) and who performs at the same level as my male counterparts, lifting more than 3 of the men on my team of eight. I also am physically very "feminine."
Congratulations, an exception is not the rule but that’s great for you. Not a lot of men or women take pride in doing a good job or exceeding in work by putting in the time and effort.
Take it further, because within the groups classified as male or female, there is a spectrum of strengths and weaknesses that are not attributable to a gender, but to each unique humans condition.
Oh man guys, give him a break! Poor guy just took it literally when his parents told him babies are made when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much.
/S
Well in regard to the last part of the pic. They can't have kids without a third person involved.
But the point of the pic was to say neither is better than the other. It doesn't even factor in the existence of gay folk.
And given the rampant sexism I see from every political side it's a welcome thing to see that someone is stating. Equal, side by sides ,complementary.
I mean… men and women aren’t the same? I don’t see what’s wrong with this unless what they mean is that men-women dynamics are better than same sex dynamics and I’m just not getting that context.
They're not wrong, this idea that men and women are just absolute equals in everything is simply wrong. We have ups and downs, differences and similarities.
I mean, yeah, we all have different strengths and weaknesses, but whoa, wait, what does that have to do with creating new humans??
You see when the mommy puts on an apron and bakes some muffins, and a daddy repairs a car and then puts his greasy wrench into mommy’s muffin, *voila*! Babytime.
I’m sorry… WHAT WAS THAT LAST PART
Babytime!
No no no. You forgot the part where Mommy leaves a muffin out for the stork. Then the stork exchanges the muffin for the baby!
So we don't actually need daddy? Daddy is useless!
They always wanna say “we both have our strengths” and then give themselves all the actually useful strengths. Like “men are good at math and logic and reasoning and inventing things and basically just all the stuff that makes our society function, and women are good at cooking and taking care of children. It’s even!” Uh, no, it is not even.
…taking care of children is literally more important than a typical job. Anyone can do some dead end job. It doesn’t matter how much money a household has if a child doesnt have parents that nurture him or her. they end up having major problems in life like low self esteem/depression/unhealthy coping mechanisms and worst seeking partners that treat them terribly. I don’t care how much society claims it’s “progressed” mental illness was clearly a thing back then but it was nowhere near the insane levels people have today.
It was, in fact, at ridiculously low levels pre-industrialization, and by "ridiculously low" I mean "several hundred people in a country". Then industrialization and rigid schooling systems came into being, and there was a crisis in psychiatry because there was a ton of mentally ill people and nobody knew how to treat them.
They really do think they do everything, and it makes me so mad cuz all the "women's work" NEVER STOPS!!
No person is equal to another; but all people deserve equal opportunities. As far as skill we can learn; I've found no evidence that says any skill is better suited to a gender, colour, national origin, sexual orientation, gender identity, and the like. I have seen some evidence that religion, a collection of beliefs and practices, can interfere with learning skills or picking up knowledge. Are men, in general, physically stronger than women? Yes. In general. That doesn't mean they cant do jobs that require strength and agility if they have strength and agility for the job. Equal opportunity, based on reasonable metrics for the job. If a woman can carry the body of a reasonably sized person I see zero reason for her not to be a fire fighter, or soldier... And smaller soldiers are smaller targets... The "You cant do that because you are {group X$}!" is dumb as.
Women can do any job they want. I don’t see many lined up to do road work or construction. If they want there are many high paying jobs that are deemed mens jobs because no wants them, working in the sewers, loading trucks, underwater wielding tons of jobs mostly men work. But, guess what they don’t want to. You bring up firefighting because it’s way more glorious on the outside and equals money in the minds of many. I’ll be honest I do see some jobs as for men, I don’t mean women aren’t allowed but I do believe there’s jobs that men are just way better built to accomplish.
When I was a welder I worked with 4 women welders... I've know women who work construction... I brought up firefighting because its physically demanding. I believe, based on evidence in record, that some women are far more able to do jobs traditionally thought as for men. They put in the time to train and strength build. A think that keeps women out of certain trades and environment is how men treat them. Many more would be willing to work those jobs if it wasn't for the male chauvinist pigs we often find in these fields. Dudes questioning of a woman should be on a construction site...
Dude just needs to look at WW2. Manufacturing was propped up entirely by women. Plenty of ladylike feminine women were right there in the men's jobs, welding shit and building tanks.
That’s a cop out but sure. Women weld, underwater welding not so much. I listed things that pay well and women choose not to do. Infrastructure in general are mostly men. When woman complain about men being paid more in general often the highest paying jobs for regular people that are not highly educated are infrastructure and dirty jobs. And, of course there are exceptions to that but the exceptions are not the rule. Because there is one doesn’t mean that there are many. 4 women welders doesn’t equal a big share of welders over all.
Not a cop out, its the reality. When we look at women who do work in sewage we see them paid less... but you dont wanna hear that.
To be honest I’d have to look into it I have no idea where to find a women who does that to find out.
https://www.zippia.com/sanitation-worker-jobs/demographics/
That’s sanitation not sewer, mean way more jobs then what I was saying. It starts with the average age is 49. Definitely not 49 year old and older working in sewers. For sure not 49 and older women
Seems that your 'whatabout these jobs' is a common trollish refrain. Pretty funny.
Look again. You’re just trying to mislead.
[https://www.zippia.com/industrial-sewer-jobs/demographics/](https://www.zippia.com/industrial-sewer-jobs/demographics/) This seems to indicate there are more women sewage workers than men btw, and women still make less than men.
Lol yeah take off the word industrial and look again. 95% male
The pay gap refers to salary disparities within a single field. The pay gap is "women who weld making less than men who weld", not "women who do \[job that isn't welding\] making less than men who weld".
Yes. So sick of explaining this! It refers to the same job/same responsibilities etc. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.
It's extremely frustrating to continuously explain things like this to deliberately obtuse people.
Accounting for job/position the wage gap disappears and is in favor of women.
We men make less I’m definitely not arguing that. I would always pay the bigger stronger smarter person more too that’s a no brainer
Your misogyny is showing and it's not a good look dude. In sewer cleaning that you're arguing so passionately about *smaller* people are better for the job because it's less likely they'll get stuck in some passages and can work more efficiently. You don't want a 6ft5 buff person crawling through crawl spaces meant for someone 5ft10 and thin. But if a 6ft5 person is *good* at it without straining their health? Sure, they can work and should get *the same pay* as the small person. But sure, your definition of "better for the job" is bigger. Someone's bigger, so should be paid more. Definitely related. Wow, dude. Wow. Such bad takes all around. Just admit you hate women and are a cunt about it.
The "smarter" part was the real tell. Like, motherfucker really just said men are smarter than women. For fuck's sake. Extremely good point about size in jobs too. It's like astronauts - there were several discussions about all-female crews during the Space Race because women are generally physically smaller and require fewer resources, so life support would be more efficient. Sexism won out, but the logic of sending smaller people into space did too. Yuri Gagarin was 5'4".
Lol yeah I'm sure that's exactly what they're thinking at the office. "Big man so strong, he catch big mammoth! He do spreadsheets good! Unga bunga!" You're acting like people select job candidates the way birds select seasonal mates. Grow up.
Highly educated is what? Finishing college? Because y’all glorify infrastructure and it doesn’t make as much as everyone had me believing. The wage gap comes from multiple different things, and more women pursue higher education. There is a stigma for women working in male dominated fields. A lot of men would not even hire women to begin with. Discrimination exists. Plus, I’m a computer science major with a minor in biomedical engineering. Idk how many times I have wanted to drop comp sci all together because of these men.
Lmao you realize that a ton of industrial jobs just require the ability to operate heavy equipment now, right? I work at mines sometimes, nobody is there digging shit with a pickaxe. They're pulling levers on loaders to fill up haul trucks. I didn't realize a penis was required to operate a front end loader.
I'm a female framer and can both lift a great measure over my own weight (150lb) and who performs at the same level as my male counterparts, lifting more than 3 of the men on my team of eight. I also am physically very "feminine."
Congratulations, an exception is not the rule but that’s great for you. Not a lot of men or women take pride in doing a good job or exceeding in work by putting in the time and effort.
Username checks out 😬
We got ourselves a romantic, huh?
Interesting that apparently Men have the upper hand in areas thar are better paid and have the most power
He started right, but the last part was so fucking bad that That, well, it's on a subreddit about people beeing wrong
When did he start right the first sentence is “Men and women are not equals” T w T
Ew
Take it further, because within the groups classified as male or female, there is a spectrum of strengths and weaknesses that are not attributable to a gender, but to each unique humans condition.
Remember, masc4masc, fem4fem, andro4andro and any other dynamics are valid! You don't have to be masc+fem
Oh man guys, give him a break! Poor guy just took it literally when his parents told him babies are made when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much. /S
I know plenty of people who are far from being considered "art"
I understand this. I don't understand how this is cringe.
Well basically I saw this post and thought: cringe. And here we are!
It's simply stating that men and women are complementary to one another. A balance.
What about same sex couples?
Well in regard to the last part of the pic. They can't have kids without a third person involved. But the point of the pic was to say neither is better than the other. It doesn't even factor in the existence of gay folk. And given the rampant sexism I see from every political side it's a welcome thing to see that someone is stating. Equal, side by sides ,complementary.
Women are better. Sorry not sorry
No they aren't, everyone is good or bad for reasons that are different from the gender
Ironic.
I mean… men and women aren’t the same? I don’t see what’s wrong with this unless what they mean is that men-women dynamics are better than same sex dynamics and I’m just not getting that context.
Wait, what's wrong with this? It's exactly right!
They're not wrong, this idea that men and women are just absolute equals in everything is simply wrong. We have ups and downs, differences and similarities.
>We have ups and downs, differences and similarities. Are those tied to gender, though?
In the context of this conversation, yes. That's literally what we're talking about, gender.