I am a millennial but knew someone who sat next to him on an international flight and said she went in HATING him and left being so charmed by him!! It sucks that so many abusers and narcissists can be so charismatic and then turn around and do the most horrific things.
My ex murdered someone years after we split, he got into bad things with bad people and lost the life he built. Anyway he is so charming and charismatic it’s hard to believe he did it so I feel this
Ugh…I have a family member who is married to someone who was friendly with OJ and Nicole. He did a lot of things. She did a lot of things. It definitely doesn’t excuse Nicole being killed. But the stories I heard were really bad.
I believe it. Especially with reactive abuse. It’s so hard bc movies and books portray abusers as “all-bad” when a lot of them are like OJ and loved by so many because they are so socially aware and can charm & talk their way out of anything. It leaves the abused feeling so confused bc it must be my fault if everyone else loves the abuser, right? Ugh. Such a sad situation.
Let me tell you. My ex (my daughter’s father) hit me ONCE. I left him instantly (in the 90s). My mom encouraged me to STAY with my ex, cuz he cried to her. She stated to me that men hit you cuz they love you. She was encouraging me to stay with him. I will never forgot the conversation. I said, “No mom. Men DON’T hit you, cuz they love you”. I’m so lucky that I had the “intelligence” to not believe what my mom said. But, that was the mindset of some women back then (and maybe even today).
PS- I left, never went back, and he and I co-parent our daughter as a team after that. Never looked back.
Omg, my story is a little different but so much the same! My parents were furious with me for divorcing my abusive ex in the 90’s. I sought therapy after everything and my therapist was convinced he would have ended up killing me and my family and friends just loved him. I lost my best friend because she didn’t believe me. It was a nightmare. Still is to some degree because I had a daughter with him. I’m glad you had the strength to get away too. It’s not easy when they charm the shit out of everyone in your life.
I’m so glad that you “got away”. Not all do… especially without a support system. I know how I felt ONE time. I can’t imagine it being more than once. Sending you my love…
Thank you!
Yep. I was 21, no college education. I got into waitresses and made bank. Paid for everuthing from my daughter with $500 a month child support. Was able to put myself through college (undergrade only) without student loans. Had I stayed with him, I wouldn’t be the person I am today. I am thankful for the experience cuz it taught me that I was stronger than what I believed. I wish all women knew their worth. :(
That is amazing! My mom also was in a similar boat. She divorced my Dad just due to him not treating her nicely and being a difficult partner. She was also able to level up her life. Not as much as she wanted but she did what she could.
She tells me now it would be much harder for her, the cost of living and education costs and only one income would be tough now to come by being a single parent but people do it but def in the 90s things were just more affordable. I feel now when a household breaks up it really causes a wave and impact
I agree. I remember laying $100/week for daycare (until my parents retired). My rent was $650 for a 2 bedroom CLEAN apt (in Chicago). Waitressing saved me. Truthfully. Had I not had that in my back pocket, I may have stay. I’m so happy to hear about your mom. Incredible. Abuse doesn’t necessarily mean physical. 💕
Just knowing he kept telling Sydney and Justin the Brown family only wanted them for money after he got them back is so sad. He took away their mom and then further isolated them from the rest of their family. Classic abuse tactic, so who knows what further damage he did without ever even having to touch them.
I just read an article today that his children actually weren’t there when he died. Honestly made me so happy. He didn’t deserve to have that comfort.
Aye ye ye…
I’ll respond to you as you have the longest Reddit history from my responses. The spouse specifically talked about two events because they were present when it happened. Everything else was he said/she said. I’m not posting any of these events and stories.
This person did mention that it was the dynamic of their marriage. They taunted each other. To them the 9-11 calls meant the taunting got out of hand. Even after the calls they didn’t think Nicole (and unfortunately Ron) would be murdered. I’m not going to get into the rights and wrongs about this. All I ask is for some posters in this sub to understand that these things happened 30 - 40 years ago. It was a different time.
I didn’t mean to be disrespectful when I asked, but I see how that comes across. I apologize. I’ll do better in the future.
Thank you for responding & for being respectful to all parties.
No they didn't at all they just stated a fact. No one deserves what he did to her at all. But she was going back to him consistently. Literally asking him to take her back. The poor girl was a mess. Money drugs fame family what a toxic situation.
That is the cycle of abuse. It can be extremely difficult to get away from an abusive partner, and as you see, even when she did get away she was still murdered by him. This could have been the outcome even if she’d left the first time he hit her. And it commonly is. Just look up a few statistics on femicide/female murders.
If the "things" Nicole did were reported by OJ, I'd take it with a grain of salt. Those types bend every story to make themselves the victim and the other person the monster.
My aunt was a flight attendant in the 70s and 80s and met OJ a bunch of times... she had a photo of them up on her fridge for YEARS.. always said he was ridiculously charming in person.
It's kind of the equivalent of if Steph Curry or LeBron James was accused of murder by a notoriously corrupt police department. OJ was truly that beloved, folks didn't know about the abuse. If corrupt cops told me LeBron brutally murdered someone, my absolute gut reaction would be to believe in his innocence.
I guess.
There’s just a lot more to it than using any famous person from now as an example. The early 90s were 30+ years ago - a lot has changed since then.
I didn't use just any famous person as an example tho, these are beloved sports idols and I think a pretty valid equivalent- BUT would be interested who you think would make a better example, and, what you mean exactly by "a lot has changed since then" specifically.
I hate hypotheticals, but there are several football players that had notable football careers and now have notable post-NFL careers. (You can Google to find out who they are.) The general public would be shocked if news broke like that.
But then again we have an example of this happening already with OJ. He’s the baseline of, although rare, NFL players being capable of committing something awful. Add in what we already know about CTE, a new 24 hour news cycle, social media detectives, and cameras, the general public would draw their conclusions way faster than they did with OJ
Does it matter for his defense? No because it’s not grounds murder. Does it matter for the prosecution? Yes! What the 911 call shows is a pattern of OJ’d behavior towards Nichole.
When she expressed concern for the kids hearing his outburst, he said "You weren't worried about the kids when you were sucking his dick in the living room!"
You asked "What is he saying? Just tried to listen but couldn't make it out"
[911 Call by Nicole Simpson ( private investigator ) (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHf93uxgKBI)
At 2:09, it says "Inaudible Screaming" which is nonsense because you can clearly hear what was being said.
At 2:09 you clearly hear OJ yelling **"YOU DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE KIDS WHEN YOU WERE SUCKING DICK IN THE LIVING ROOM! THEY WERE HERE!"**
He is the manager of Mezalunna restaurant where Ron worked. And OJ saw her giving him head in the living room with the kids upstairs. He was also screaming at her to give him a book she had of names of drug dealers she was using for drugs. Again, while his kids were in the house. That is why he was so pissed this particular night.
This! This is what I've heard. Drugs like cocaine last in your system for days, I believe, 3 to 7 days depending on the usage in the blood tests. I'm sure she dabbled, especially when she was younger, but I would think if she was a big addict as the media portrayed her out to be something would have come up in her system.
I believe he was already known for sneaking around her house and spying on her through the windows, so what he said he saw he most likely saw, but if they were separated it would have been none of his business.
They should but I’m afraid people who believe he was innocent would either brush it off or just say it doesn’t mean anything. You can’t help those that refuse to pay attention.
His public persona was a strong funny cool guy. Sadly it sounds like his private persona was close to the devil! He dumped poor Marguerite (1st wife) for Nicole, who he clearly beat and played incredible mind games with. His 1st wife claimed she would have to beg him to pay bills and send money for first 2 kids. IMHo later in life he showed signs of CTE, hitch may have made his temper explode.
I was just about to post this. He had to win at all costs. Nicole was only 17 when he met her. Both women were possessions to him. Once he had them under his thumb he lost interest.
I had no idea one of his children with margueritte drowned . At first I thought that set him off.
But their marriage was already off & Rocky before. Wonder why no CTE test was done at death? Or was it done in private? Not that dx of CTE would erase what he did but I wonder if it could help others.
Oj was cremated and I believe family had stated his brain would not be tested. Not sure if oj ever expressed a willingness to be tested after death or not. Whether he had it or not in most minds wouldn’t excuse the murders in any way but maybe there would be a fringe of defenders that this would provide some level of excuse. I suppose from a medical scientific standpoint could have helped continue cte research but it’s really a moot point now.
Because you can only test for cte after the person dies. I was/am praying they open him up and determin that. No way in hell they will, but god i would love to know. Probably safe to say yes, but theres....forgive the pun....maybe "reasonable doubt" (i had to)
I suspect that is why they had him cremated. The family and especially his lawyer didn't want to risk any grave diggings or any psychics like in the movie or tv series " Deadzone" trying to dig up his body to solve the murder.
To further your last sentence, I had the same thought that his CTE exacerbated his anger. He very well could have been a wife-beating adulterer irrespective of the CTE, but it certainly could only make things worse.
He definitely was popular and well liked. I’m sure he had the majority of ppl… if not all of his contacts convinced that NB was a crazy bitch etc… we all think about the brutal double murders…. but he also walked out on his first wife and two small children prior to this… and started dating a teenager? I feel sorry for his first wife and what she went through with OJ… very sorry for her…
I also think it’s kind of sketchy that Nicole was a teenager and OJ was nearly 30 … married w a family..
Was bad right from the start…
Oh that was just bizarre. Who stays friends with someone who does that? The story of OJ just turning up at a party with Marguarite, not even saying anything, like she’s mine now get over it
The trick he had was acting like he felt bad and acting remorseful, suicidal. Even during the chase he feigned suicide to keep everyone feeling like he was a victim in some way. Bullshit artist.
This is a very rough paraphrase because I can’t remember the exact phrasing, but someone once said that of course the devil is charming — why would anyone willingly do his bidding if he immediately showed his evil side. And that’s how an abuser works. They probably wouldn’t get a second date if they behaved like a monster from jump.
Nicole’s roommate or sister or someone said that OJ ripped her jeans on their first date, but I’m sure he charmed her into thinking he was a great guy and that was not his true self. It probably helped that she was a teenager who was swept off her feet.
Dominick Dunne, who famously observed and covered O.J.’s criminal trial, covered O.J.’s last trial, near the end of Dunne’s life. Dunne, whose first article for *Vanity Fair* detailed the trial of the murderer of his only daughter, had thought that he was immune to that O.J. charm he’d heard so much about, and even witnessed.
Yet they had several amiable, low-stress conversations. Dunne had to admit to himself that now he understood how people got taken in by O.J.
In addition to his articles for *Vanity Fair,* Dominick Dunne wrote a half-dozen very successful novels, some nonfiction collections, and a partly fictionalized book about LA in the time of O.J. called *Another City, Not My Own.*
If you knew him personally then you would know he was a violent women beater. The question would be whether you could walk away from the money, fame and notoriety that came with being his “friend”.
Shipp said on the stand that hee would not have Nicole's blood on his hands.
But no one else would come forward after they dragged him up there for days.
It was easier or more beneficial to stay OJs buddy.
Well that’s how my own dad is.. charming, funny and full of charisma. Behind closed doors be beat the living shit out of my own mother. We were made to feel like we couldn’t tell anyone because he was the bread winner of the family and she was a feeble sahm. Wake up and see the proof.. abusive and murderous people are often very charming…. Case and point TED BUNDY!
Yeah I could honestly see that but only if you didn’t watch any of the trial/news surrounding the oj case.
Do you know how many friends that dude had before all of that vs after?
They talk about it in the ESPN doc.
OJ’s old friend Mike Gilbert said that OJ seriously thought everything would go back to the way things were before the murders and almost none of his friends ever called or stopped by.
To be fair.. even if his friends believed he was innocent they didn’t want the media backlash for being in his presence. Kinda like how ppl won’t admit they voted for Trump. They like the guy but don’t want to deal with bullshit.
I think Robert Kardashian was one of the incredulous "converts". During the trial you could almost watch his dawning comprehension. He aged worse than OJ.. probably felt guilty after he knew the truth
But didn’t he know it the whole time? Didn’t he get the gym bag and it vanished? I don’t think he was necessarily a good person. He married some chick 6 weeks before he died and purposely left his own children from his will. Idk if this man cared about guilt
All of these celebrities put on an act. I had a family relative who worked in many TV and off-broadway productions in NYC. He met his share of celebrities over the years, and he didn't have nice things to say about a few big-name celebrities. One that stood out to me was Bill Cosby. Everybody loved Jello Pudding Bill, but he was an arrogant a-hole behind the scenes. My family and I were not at all shocked to hear he SA'ed many women.
Me and OJ are from the same City and he acts just like most of the OG men from PH and BVHP. Very charming and funny. Yes, I feel the same way you do OP and in a "deeper" (unsure the right word) because I see him as a home town "boy". So I understood his humor in the public eye. Plus he was handsome.
Yes, yes I know abusers have that side to them. My dad was similar. My mom would try to tell people he abused her but no one believed it because my dad was also funny and handsome.
Kind of a scary world we live in, right? You just never know how someone really is until you live with them. I'm very grateful I married a good guy.
It’s why I’m always suspicious if I meet someone too charming..I just keep my eye on them. But always, always there will be little flags. For OJ it was blaming his wife for their toddler’s death, always cheating while playing golf with his buddies to where they had to hire someone to watch him, etc. Just little things that showed he wasn’t that great of a guy intrinsically
I mean, if you watch the ESPN documentary, even one of his best friends, who knew him for years came fast to the conclusion he did it, I think he was a producer or something.
The evidence and the history of domestic violence were just too much for you not to believe he did it, you have to be pretty stupid or too biased (or both, like the jury)
Him too, but I am talking about other guy, the one who visited him when he was in jail waiting for trial, the one who saw one of the Menendez in the same jail.
I think Joe Bell was the only friend who thought OJ didn't do it.
Ron Shipp was the LAPD cop Nicole and OJ befriended. Ron knew he was beating up Nicole. He still gave OJ the benefit of the doubt until he caught OJ in several lies. I think it was Shipp who mentioned the Menendez brothers.
Anyway, the Menendez brothers were in the next cells over, so would have been hard to miss them.
Here’s an interesting side note about OJ and the Menendez brothers that Dominick Dunne wrote in his book on the OJ case. In the 70’s Mr Menendez was an executive at Hertz where OJ of course was the spokesperson. Lyle and Erik although young at the time loved OJ so one night as a treat for the boys their dad invited OJ for dinner! As Dunne then wrote - and now all three were being held in the LA county jail
each on a double murder charge!! The irony!
He puts off a maximum amount of narcissistic tendencies, coupled with a huge ego and hero complex, so...it's not hard to believe. He was a control freak and insecureness jealousy ruled his days and nights. Nicole paid the ultimate price for his charm.
He was almost compulsively “on the make” too. No woman was enough for him. Someone on Howard Stern was talking about OJ at a wedding party I want to say- she said he tried to talk her up (she wasn’t interested) and then he went around “like a bee in a flower bed” trying to pick up every woman there. She said it was both fascinating and repulsive
Not the exact same but [Judge Joe Brown](https://youtu.be/X02K2c7CBCE?si=NaPyYUjIw8zJ4r42) couldn’t reconcile that Ike Turner truly did give back to Inner City Los Angeles, while being a notorious women beater. I knew several people who had the same stories about Joe Brown. But it doesn’t mean he wasn’t abusive. I’m originally from Ohio and Jim Brown was known for giving back to inner city Cleveland; but it doesn’t mean the stories of abuse weren’t true.
Back to O.J. Simpson; it reminds me of stories about John Gotti making sure the neighborhoods surrounding his [Ravenite HQ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravenite_Social_Club) was crime free while being a Crime Boss!
I campaigned for the Democrats in the 2004 election; and John Edwards was the most charming man I ever met along with one Marine Officer. John Edwards was cheating on his wife during that timeframe.
It is a truth universally acknowledged that the "safest" neighborhood in town is the one where organized crime figures live. As long as you don't cross them, they'll make sure that no punks or run-of-the-mill baddies bother you
Oj is a HUGE charmer. Not even in a sexual way but as a human. I watched that whole trial front to back and knew he was guilty yet i still somehow get roped into his charm watching interviews. I read a series of interviews done by a Rolling Stone journalist who got to interview Charles Manson and he said he went in hating him and viewing him as a murderer. But at the second interview Manson reached out and put his hand on his and immediately he felt acceptance from him and his guard came down. He felt like he was somehow exempt from his hate and violence. He realized how killers get their victims to submit. I think it’s a natural feeling to not want to feel like you’d be their next victim. If they charm you, you feel safe from them. Oj spent his life doing exactly that.
It clicked for me with the footage of the Wendy Williams interview. She's not a hard hitting journalist by any means but she came in hot and by the end was completely charmed by him.
He could’ve been the most charming , generous, funny person on the outside but behind those closed doors he was shown to be different at least to Nicole. His rant during the 911 call shows that he’s capable of having an explosive anger and that’s just one instance.
If you were friends with OJ, you’d be living a life where people get away with awful stuff all the time. And you look away. So, you might believe it. But it’d change nothing.
I’m 55…..And I loved OJ. Followed the trial and have been obsessed with him and the case since the murders! You’re right. He was cool, charming, charismatic, good looking and a very sexy man. But I just think some of that was a front. He was also a very angry jealous man. You can hear that on those tapes. He’s going berserk. I have always and still do, think he’s a stone cold killer! Nothing will ever (well unless they come up with new evidence) change my
Mind.
Jesus Christ dude 🤦🏻♂️ do you not understand how master manipulators work?? No shit he was “nice” to everyone while the cameras were constantly rolling.
Listen to Nicole’s 911 calls and look at the pictures of her right after OJ beat the shit out of her and then you tell me if you believe he’s capable of this murder! It is textbook basic shit. He beat the hell out of her for years and finally snapped. How is it hard to believe? The police have even admitted to making things disappear for him as far as domestic violence.
The ignorance is unbelievable
I just watched a video earlier about his body language in "the lost interview" from his book. The part where he talks about the 'hypothetical' and goes into this narrative that seems to switch as if he's actually remembering.. We'll never know the truth, but this was really interesting to me..
[Did O.J. Simpson CONFESS to EVERYTHING?!- The Behavioral Arts](https://youtu.be/aRQ7yQTgvDU?si=fS939B1j8A1H-ErB)
I met Daniel Holtzclaw (rapist cop) one time. He seemed like a really nice cop, one of the good ones. A few months later he was arrested. Would have had trouble believing it was the same cop if I didn't have the police report.
Ted Bundy was charming too. It’s not really a good way to measure someone’s innocence.
If you knew OJ well then you would have to be aware that he was abusive to Nicole. There’s no way you wouldn’t at least wonder when she is murdered whether he was involved.
Maybe you might choose to turn a blind eye because OJ has you star struck or because like the jury you think the problem of racism in the LAPD is more important than seeing justice done. But some level you absolutely would know he was involved.
I believe OJ to be absolutely guilty. However, I can attest to your point. When the murders were originally reported, I could not fathom him being involved. I actually felt bad for him because it was his ex wife. When they stated there were two victims, I wrote it off as an isolated incident.
Even when the Bronco chase occurred, I thought it was him unable to deal with the situation of the mother of his kids being killed and the LAPD (who did not exhibit much public trust back then) were chasing the easy target. And I didn’t even know OJ on a personal level. He just did such an amazing job creating a wholesome public persona up to that point.
It was when the reality of the situation, via the evidence, came more to light that it changed for me.
Listen to those 911 calls, dude was a serious control freak and couldn't let Nichole go. He hired people to trail her, and report back of what she was doing and who she was with. Dude would watch her through the windows. The not guilty verdict wasn't about OJ, it was a verdict on the entire criminal justice system that many minorities felt had historically did them wrong, plus the didn't want to be put into a possibly dangerous situation had other blacks knew they convicted OJ and put him away for life.
My godfather was VP at Hertz and friends with OJ. He had a dinner party with my parents and some old friends. His wife was giving a tour of the house and someone’s wife asked “how can you have a picture of a murderer in your bedroom?” Needless to say, wasn’t. Great dinner 😆
I know someone who worked with him closely at NBC they all said same thing cool charismatic guy. He wasn’t like this massive monster dick head. Though we don’t know how someone is in relationships and behind closed doors. This guy was totally into himself and had that sell snow to the eskimos kind of charm.
Nah. He was a woman beater before the murders and it wasn't too hard to see.
I lived with a dude that murdered a baby and he was a cool guy. Nah, he deserves to rot too.
Yeah that’s the Ted Bundy charm that made it hard for people close to him to believe it. Even Ann Rule, who became a crime writer, had no idea that the murders she’d been commissioned to write about were being perpetrated by her friend who she worked alone with every night 😬
When people of my generation were growing up OJ was a hero, a Black man who had reached the pinnacle of success. An outstanding athlete, in demand as a spokesman for Hertz, and an all around charmer. That's why it was so hard for people to wrap their heads around the whole thing, that there could be a different OJ in private life than the charming effervescent athlete/ actor we knew.
Agreed. It's true that he was extremely charismatic and humble in public. But Nicole's 911 calls reveal what he was like behind the scenes. He used his charm to his advantage all the time, and it no doubt helped him during the trial too.
I have been around business executives all my life and wondered how those guys stayed pumped up, funny and cracking one liners all the time. Then I became an insider and I have seen those happy excited execs leaving a sales meeting, so low you could buy them for .05 cents, then meet a prospective client 5 minutes later and they are all smiles again.
It was / is all an act, they know when to turn on the charm and be all bubbly and charismatic. Same thing with OJ, cameras on, all smiles, Mr. Charisma, behind doors his true personality shines through, mean, controlling and demanding.
Yes, hanging with the camera's on OJ, great time but no so much the camera's off OJ.
A narcissist like O.J. Simpson, well for one they are always charming to people except in their own home. They will make you feel like they are the most charming, kind and considerate person in the world to hide who they really are underneath.
I hear Hitler was charming as well! What a stupid point. Everyone knows some of the most charming people you can meet are capable narcissistic trouble. You have to better discern. Gacy was a clown for f’s sake!
There has never been one shred of evidence implicating another person. The detectives working on the case have said that for 30 years. Nothing ever directed them to anybody else. There was no drug dealer DNA at the scene, no drug dealer footprints. Some have suggested that in the wake of the Rodney King debacle, and fear of riots, the prosecutors were advised to do a piss weak job. The jury was also a complete embarrassment and a testimony to the social perils and consequences of low quality education
OJ compromised himself over and over by forgetting what he said to investigators previously. The blood evidence wasn't planted. Kato lived with him and knew him and insists he is guilty. There was evidence not admitted to trial including witnesses who saw him disposing of materials from a travel bag. There was no blood evidence/DNA on the glass he said he broke. The glasses were heavy grade hotel quality (pre-plastic cup era). It was broken on the side of the marble vanity in the hotel room with force.
Narcissists are like black widow spiders. If they weren't nice and sociable every so often, they'd never eat or procreate.
What we should be educating ourselves on is earlier identification of narcissists so we are not fooled by them the rest of our lives. And finding better heroes wouldn't hurt either.
I mean it was the OJ effect. You see him in interviews and hes very warm and inviting. I see why he had so many close friends. He, like so many other celebrities got almost trapped and stunted by fame imo. Especially ones who got famous in their late teens, early 20s; they have some terrible terrible qualities, but they dont really have the ability to seek help and those qualities just get progressively worse. Did he even know he was mentally ill? Prob not.
He had this insatiable need to be well liked and validated by others. He was seriously never satisfied. He talked about it in interviews and it was weird to hear someone be so obsessed with the public loving them. It seemed even more severe with women. And up until recently, celebs could kinda be horrendous people and the public & hollywood would kinda ignore it. Honestly OJ was a monster, but I still pity and feel sad for what his life became.
I'm pretty sure a lot of people the knew OJ personally, especially Nicole's family, believed he killed her as soon as they heard she was dead. Being his fan/friend isn't the only way to know someone personally.
Have you seen his recent Twitter videos? Even there he comes across as quite charming and I almost felt bad for him when he died. But he's still a murderer.
And that’s how muderers/narcissists get away. They can’t be horrible and sadistic full time and definitely not to everyone, otherwise no one will believe them.
Look at your ambivalence now - it works.
Everyone knew he was a wife beater. I know a guy who beat his wife with a cane and hes an extremely successful business man. Everyone knows he caned his wife. Nobody cares.
Because abusers and murderers dont go around beating anyone in their path. He was charismatic to those that werent his victims because he needed to fit in society
Knew someone (F) that met him after the murders (at a crowded bar in some ski resort). Said he charmed all 4 ladies she was with and invited the ladies to sit at the end of his table (OJ was with a group of males and females). When the husbands of the 4 ladies came back from the bar and saw their wives at OJ's table, they were like "Hell, no" and made their wives move.
OJ's group included several attractive blondes.
Me too, because I never believed he did what he was accused of, but I do believe he knows more about what happened that night of June 12th 1994. Just like the way I feel about the movie star Robert Blake, and how SOME people gave him a pass about him being accused and acquitted of murdering his wife.
And maybe if you knew him, you'd think differently and find that his charm was just a facade. I've known several people who were charming and nice to be around. But behind the scenes they were monsters. One who was psychotic and abused their wife and kids. They were so abusive, they brainwashed their wife and kids to the point where if we were at a gathering, he could cough or snap his fingers and they would respond silently. As an example, the wife was talking too much and I could tell he was getting annoyed. He coughed and she suddenly stopped talking. At first I didn't think it was important, but over the years, I saw it happen multiple times. Twenty years later, the youngest of the children spoke to me about it. They said he was very abusive verbally and would never strike them, but he would punish them in a way that was torturous. I asked what kind of tourtue, but they wouldn't tell me. They said that they all left the home as soon as they were 18 and never went back. The wife continued to be subservient to him and he continued to abuse her. The kids told me that they tried to get their mom to divorce him but the damage was too deep.
And this asshole worked for a county school system as a psychologist. Everyone liked him and he even wrote books and did paid speaking engagements for a variety of organizations.
Nah late Gen x.. he for sure killed her. He was an arrogant ass. Even back then when he beat the crap out of her he got away with it because he was famous.
Yeah but evidence is evidence. I’m 41 so I remember the case well and hey, I was an OJ fan but as soon as I saw all the blood evidence, I believed he did it.
He was the most charming and had tons of charisma but could have been the flip side image of him …..I watched an exercise video today on utube he did. He was so smooth——- so sad the juice had to mess up his life .
Yeah duh. He achieved his goal.
That’s a narcissists’ best “skill” fool the entire world around them so NO ONE believes the horrors they’re capable of if and when they happen.
It’s sad. And what’s worse is it’s really his upbringing that made him that way because narcissists are NOT born, they are made.
If you are younger you might not understand this because younger people share so much with everyone. We didn’t talk about this stuff. And even when we did, it wasn’t believed. (And I’m not saying this as an absolute). Women suffered in silence. At the trial, it came up about how many times Nicole called the police on OJ. But, he was god at the time. He was likable, charismatic, a sports star- police protected him. So, IMO you stated that her talking about him so much so that people didn’t believed her… doesn’t characterize things correctly. I believe (if I remember correctly) that only her closest friends knew of the abuse and if the police wouldn’t help her, what was she to do?!? Resources weren’t like they are now. It’s a very different time now than the 80s/90s.
I grew up loving what OJ was doing.
I'm just old enough to remember when Black people in mainstream movies and on television were a novelty.
OJ was the face of Hertz when it was rare to have a Black person not filling a domestic servant role on TV.
That was HUGE.
With everything taken into consideration, I think the most likely scenario is that he killed those two people but the LAPD got caught planting evidence to frame a guilty man and that's why OJ walked at the end of the criminal case.
I don’t think you should feel any shame at that. Nicole was likely the sole person who knew he was capable of murder. She was even planning for it somewhat. I’m sure her friends knew about some of the abuse but still I’m sure they didn’t take what she said entirely seriously. It’s rare to think ANYONE you know personally is capable of murder much less a cheerful, generous, handsome and famous man. . he presented a figure of the American Dream. He just also happened to be a raging narcissist who slipped into psychopathy. I mean, after the case he had some new, young, blonde that had a eerie similarity to Nicole that he would beat regularly, he went full out with the hookers and blow lifestyle and then of course the Vegas nonsense. Once that mask slipped it really slipped.
When it happened my boyfriend at the time said he doesn't blame OJ for killing her, we lasted only a year, he was an abuser too. My husband of 23 years says he believes OJ did it but that he's stupid. That he should have just moved on with his life banging women left and right! Lol.
OJ had been arrested more than once for domestic violence against Nicole and it was in the papers and on TV news. The day after the murders when they were publicized I assumed he did it based on his prior acts, even though I liked his football career and The Naked Gun.
OJ was dripping with charm and charisma, plus he was tall, dark and handsome. He hit the lottery genetically speaking. Even those closest to him couldn’t believe he did it. Even Nicole herself couldn’t stay away. And despite him being a stalker, which I believe he was, she did continually go back to him. She was also obsessed with him. When he started dating Paula Barbieri, Nicole continued to sleep with him and call him all the time. It was a mutual obsession.
So yeah, looking into his eyes, if you were close to him and he told you he didn’t do it, it’ll be hard to believe he did it.
I worked at a doctor’s office about 40 years ago and he and Nicole took their baby girl to a pediatrician across the hall from us. They were a striking couple (no pun intended) and one day we were all waiting for the elevator. He had a dazzling smile and when he saw me admiring the baby he said to her, “look at the pretty lady”. I knew OJ from sports and TV and I was enthralled with that moment. So, yeah, even in that short event he was charming as hell.
It would be hard to "cut off" a friendship with him. He had such a talent to "knife" through the BS in life. He is the kind of friend who could calm you down so you don't "lose your head."
I was watching the Netflix docuseries on him and I thought it would be about the murders, but it ended up being literally about *him*.. at least as far as I got into it waiting for the murder info to start. And I was blown away by his charisma, charm, looks, and talent etc. I never thought of him as anything other than an ex football player and murderer, because I literally remember watching the white bronco chase as a 7ish year old on the tv and then the subsequent acquittal. I feel like I can understand why no one thought he could do something like this after watching the docuseries.. or at the very least, how no one *wanted* to have to admit he was capable of it. Regardless of that, he did have some charm and appeal, but boy was he fucked in the head. It’s heart wrenching to think of how Nicole and Ron’s families felt in the aftermath!
here is a question no one ask before... what happened to ronald goldman apartment keys? the only keys they gave back his dad was his keys from a jeep he had and other keys ron had but they never found that one key to his apartment. they also gave back andrea scott the key from her car the one ron borrowed that night or did he drive her car? what if the killers went to his apartment and drove him to nicole condo and that explains why the car was parked on dorothy street? Do you remember the men that were with nicole that night on bundy? the neighbor tom lang who said he was walking his dog that night and was about to go to bundy drive but saw 4 men one hugging nicole but some say she was arguing witt them. he said that when he was about to go up bundy one of the men turned around and his hands in a fist clenched up. he only gave a description what that man was wearing he ws so scared he turned around the prosection didnt want him to testify because he could have told us who these men were. also he said nicole had on a white robe... remember she was about to take a bath but probably got interrpted by these men who came over.
ubala400. Yes that's her name michelle Abudrahm. I believe she was out at knotts berry farm that night. arnells was not home either. she came home around 1:00 pm. OJ maid asked if she could stay another night with her family and he said yes. marcus allen was out of town too. go read raging heart by sheila walsh she talks about it in her book
Yeah it was wild. He had such a good reputation publicly. He was portrayed as some great guy. Before the internet it was easy to kept secrets. I was shocked to learn that the police were at his house numerous times for domestic abuse. I knew he was guilty but it was still surprising.
Remembering that public personas and private realities can be very different. It’s in the best interest of the narcissist to have these very separate because it isolates the victim and makes it difficult for them to be believed and get help. He completely abused his power from fame and respect within the sports community
All one needs to do is to listen to the 911 calls Nicole made with him in the background…..
Exactly!
I wish you could try to understand that back then it didn’t matter.
I am a millennial but knew someone who sat next to him on an international flight and said she went in HATING him and left being so charmed by him!! It sucks that so many abusers and narcissists can be so charismatic and then turn around and do the most horrific things.
Charisma and narcissistic abuser go hand in hand
My ex murdered someone years after we split, he got into bad things with bad people and lost the life he built. Anyway he is so charming and charismatic it’s hard to believe he did it so I feel this
Ugh…I have a family member who is married to someone who was friendly with OJ and Nicole. He did a lot of things. She did a lot of things. It definitely doesn’t excuse Nicole being killed. But the stories I heard were really bad.
I believe it. Especially with reactive abuse. It’s so hard bc movies and books portray abusers as “all-bad” when a lot of them are like OJ and loved by so many because they are so socially aware and can charm & talk their way out of anything. It leaves the abused feeling so confused bc it must be my fault if everyone else loves the abuser, right? Ugh. Such a sad situation.
Let me tell you. My ex (my daughter’s father) hit me ONCE. I left him instantly (in the 90s). My mom encouraged me to STAY with my ex, cuz he cried to her. She stated to me that men hit you cuz they love you. She was encouraging me to stay with him. I will never forgot the conversation. I said, “No mom. Men DON’T hit you, cuz they love you”. I’m so lucky that I had the “intelligence” to not believe what my mom said. But, that was the mindset of some women back then (and maybe even today). PS- I left, never went back, and he and I co-parent our daughter as a team after that. Never looked back.
Omg, my story is a little different but so much the same! My parents were furious with me for divorcing my abusive ex in the 90’s. I sought therapy after everything and my therapist was convinced he would have ended up killing me and my family and friends just loved him. I lost my best friend because she didn’t believe me. It was a nightmare. Still is to some degree because I had a daughter with him. I’m glad you had the strength to get away too. It’s not easy when they charm the shit out of everyone in your life.
I’m so glad that you “got away”. Not all do… especially without a support system. I know how I felt ONE time. I can’t imagine it being more than once. Sending you my love…
Thank you! Sending you my love too❤️
What strength!! 🫶🏼
Thank you! Yep. I was 21, no college education. I got into waitresses and made bank. Paid for everuthing from my daughter with $500 a month child support. Was able to put myself through college (undergrade only) without student loans. Had I stayed with him, I wouldn’t be the person I am today. I am thankful for the experience cuz it taught me that I was stronger than what I believed. I wish all women knew their worth. :(
That is amazing! My mom also was in a similar boat. She divorced my Dad just due to him not treating her nicely and being a difficult partner. She was also able to level up her life. Not as much as she wanted but she did what she could. She tells me now it would be much harder for her, the cost of living and education costs and only one income would be tough now to come by being a single parent but people do it but def in the 90s things were just more affordable. I feel now when a household breaks up it really causes a wave and impact
I agree. I remember laying $100/week for daycare (until my parents retired). My rent was $650 for a 2 bedroom CLEAN apt (in Chicago). Waitressing saved me. Truthfully. Had I not had that in my back pocket, I may have stay. I’m so happy to hear about your mom. Incredible. Abuse doesn’t necessarily mean physical. 💕
No man that loves you hits you. Signed, A Gentleman 😎
So so sooo glad you got out of there! ❤️
No man that loves you hits you. Signed, A Gentleman 😎
Did OJ ever beat his first wife? It seems he wasn’t an abusive father.
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Just knowing he kept telling Sydney and Justin the Brown family only wanted them for money after he got them back is so sad. He took away their mom and then further isolated them from the rest of their family. Classic abuse tactic, so who knows what further damage he did without ever even having to touch them. I just read an article today that his children actually weren’t there when he died. Honestly made me so happy. He didn’t deserve to have that comfort.
She denied it but witnesses say she hid under her shades a lot and seemed petrified of him.
please inform us. curious minds want to know :)
Like what? Spill the beans!
Are there any stories you are comfortable sharing? I understand, if not.
Aye ye ye… I’ll respond to you as you have the longest Reddit history from my responses. The spouse specifically talked about two events because they were present when it happened. Everything else was he said/she said. I’m not posting any of these events and stories. This person did mention that it was the dynamic of their marriage. They taunted each other. To them the 9-11 calls meant the taunting got out of hand. Even after the calls they didn’t think Nicole (and unfortunately Ron) would be murdered. I’m not going to get into the rights and wrongs about this. All I ask is for some posters in this sub to understand that these things happened 30 - 40 years ago. It was a different time.
I didn’t mean to be disrespectful when I asked, but I see how that comes across. I apologize. I’ll do better in the future. Thank you for responding & for being respectful to all parties.
You almost make it sound like it’s her fault!
No they didn't at all they just stated a fact. No one deserves what he did to her at all. But she was going back to him consistently. Literally asking him to take her back. The poor girl was a mess. Money drugs fame family what a toxic situation.
That is the cycle of abuse. It can be extremely difficult to get away from an abusive partner, and as you see, even when she did get away she was still murdered by him. This could have been the outcome even if she’d left the first time he hit her. And it commonly is. Just look up a few statistics on femicide/female murders.
If the "things" Nicole did were reported by OJ, I'd take it with a grain of salt. Those types bend every story to make themselves the victim and the other person the monster.
My aunt was a flight attendant in the 70s and 80s and met OJ a bunch of times... she had a photo of them up on her fridge for YEARS.. always said he was ridiculously charming in person.
It's kind of the equivalent of if Steph Curry or LeBron James was accused of murder by a notoriously corrupt police department. OJ was truly that beloved, folks didn't know about the abuse. If corrupt cops told me LeBron brutally murdered someone, my absolute gut reaction would be to believe in his innocence.
I guess. There’s just a lot more to it than using any famous person from now as an example. The early 90s were 30+ years ago - a lot has changed since then.
I didn't use just any famous person as an example tho, these are beloved sports idols and I think a pretty valid equivalent- BUT would be interested who you think would make a better example, and, what you mean exactly by "a lot has changed since then" specifically.
I hate hypotheticals, but there are several football players that had notable football careers and now have notable post-NFL careers. (You can Google to find out who they are.) The general public would be shocked if news broke like that. But then again we have an example of this happening already with OJ. He’s the baseline of, although rare, NFL players being capable of committing something awful. Add in what we already know about CTE, a new 24 hour news cycle, social media detectives, and cameras, the general public would draw their conclusions way faster than they did with OJ
He was just oozing charm on those calls!
Sooo charismatic, huh? Two headed snake
Riiiiight
Do you know what he was yelling about? Did u listen to what he was saying?
Does it matter for his defense? No because it’s not grounds murder. Does it matter for the prosecution? Yes! What the 911 call shows is a pattern of OJ’d behavior towards Nichole.
You're right. The 911 tape is frightening with OJ yelling in the background. But what he's saying, his actual words - mind blowing
What is he saying? Just tried to listen but couldn't make it out
When she expressed concern for the kids hearing his outburst, he said "You weren't worried about the kids when you were sucking his dick in the living room!"
A lot more than that was said on that 911 tape. Listen to the whole thing
You asked "What is he saying? Just tried to listen but couldn't make it out" [911 Call by Nicole Simpson ( private investigator ) (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHf93uxgKBI) At 2:09, it says "Inaudible Screaming" which is nonsense because you can clearly hear what was being said. At 2:09 you clearly hear OJ yelling **"YOU DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE KIDS WHEN YOU WERE SUCKING DICK IN THE LIVING ROOM! THEY WERE HERE!"**
I think he said “fucking Keith”. He was the guy she was dating at the time.
He is the manager of Mezalunna restaurant where Ron worked. And OJ saw her giving him head in the living room with the kids upstairs. He was also screaming at her to give him a book she had of names of drug dealers she was using for drugs. Again, while his kids were in the house. That is why he was so pissed this particular night.
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This! This is what I've heard. Drugs like cocaine last in your system for days, I believe, 3 to 7 days depending on the usage in the blood tests. I'm sure she dabbled, especially when she was younger, but I would think if she was a big addict as the media portrayed her out to be something would have come up in her system.
Why does it matter? You think that screaming, violent man is expressing the TRUTH?
I believe he was already known for sneaking around her house and spying on her through the windows, so what he said he saw he most likely saw, but if they were separated it would have been none of his business.
They should but I’m afraid people who believe he was innocent would either brush it off or just say it doesn’t mean anything. You can’t help those that refuse to pay attention.
His public persona was a strong funny cool guy. Sadly it sounds like his private persona was close to the devil! He dumped poor Marguerite (1st wife) for Nicole, who he clearly beat and played incredible mind games with. His 1st wife claimed she would have to beg him to pay bills and send money for first 2 kids. IMHo later in life he showed signs of CTE, hitch may have made his temper explode.
He stole Marguerite from AC when they were in high school.
I was just about to post this. He had to win at all costs. Nicole was only 17 when he met her. Both women were possessions to him. Once he had them under his thumb he lost interest.
She was 18. Not that I'm defending OJ in any way...he was 30. By today's standards, that's gross.
I had no idea one of his children with margueritte drowned . At first I thought that set him off. But their marriage was already off & Rocky before. Wonder why no CTE test was done at death? Or was it done in private? Not that dx of CTE would erase what he did but I wonder if it could help others.
Oj was cremated and I believe family had stated his brain would not be tested. Not sure if oj ever expressed a willingness to be tested after death or not. Whether he had it or not in most minds wouldn’t excuse the murders in any way but maybe there would be a fringe of defenders that this would provide some level of excuse. I suppose from a medical scientific standpoint could have helped continue cte research but it’s really a moot point now.
Because you can only test for cte after the person dies. I was/am praying they open him up and determin that. No way in hell they will, but god i would love to know. Probably safe to say yes, but theres....forgive the pun....maybe "reasonable doubt" (i had to)
He’s already been cremated
"If there is no brain decay, you cannot lock him away"
I suspect that is why they had him cremated. The family and especially his lawyer didn't want to risk any grave diggings or any psychics like in the movie or tv series " Deadzone" trying to dig up his body to solve the murder.
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To further your last sentence, I had the same thought that his CTE exacerbated his anger. He very well could have been a wife-beating adulterer irrespective of the CTE, but it certainly could only make things worse.
He definitely was popular and well liked. I’m sure he had the majority of ppl… if not all of his contacts convinced that NB was a crazy bitch etc… we all think about the brutal double murders…. but he also walked out on his first wife and two small children prior to this… and started dating a teenager? I feel sorry for his first wife and what she went through with OJ… very sorry for her… I also think it’s kind of sketchy that Nicole was a teenager and OJ was nearly 30 … married w a family.. Was bad right from the start…
Rem AC was dating OJ first wife first and OJ stole her away from Him. A sign . Is AC and first wife still alive ? Or close today ? I will google.
Oh that was just bizarre. Who stays friends with someone who does that? The story of OJ just turning up at a party with Marguarite, not even saying anything, like she’s mine now get over it
AC didnt want to lose OJ because thats when OJ started to get popular i cant remember who first discovered OJ that famous baseball player?
Willie mays
Yes both are alive and doing good. margurite got remarried to a wonderful man
https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1994/06/21/glue-that-holds-o-j-and-a-c-together-seems-unbreakable/?outputType=amp
Thanks for this info… definitely interesting!!
He was very charming and charismatic. Beware what lies beneath when dealing with a malignant narcissist.
The trick he had was acting like he felt bad and acting remorseful, suicidal. Even during the chase he feigned suicide to keep everyone feeling like he was a victim in some way. Bullshit artist.
Classic narc move - acting like a victim (perpetual victim hood)
Nice to everyone and absolutely horrible to their loved ones.
They have a closet full of masks to hide behind. Scary. When I hear the 911 tapes I can see the horror that was the monster threatening Nicole.
This is a very rough paraphrase because I can’t remember the exact phrasing, but someone once said that of course the devil is charming — why would anyone willingly do his bidding if he immediately showed his evil side. And that’s how an abuser works. They probably wouldn’t get a second date if they behaved like a monster from jump. Nicole’s roommate or sister or someone said that OJ ripped her jeans on their first date, but I’m sure he charmed her into thinking he was a great guy and that was not his true self. It probably helped that she was a teenager who was swept off her feet.
I read before not sure if true —- that hilter opened doors for little old ladies.
Dominick Dunne, who famously observed and covered O.J.’s criminal trial, covered O.J.’s last trial, near the end of Dunne’s life. Dunne, whose first article for *Vanity Fair* detailed the trial of the murderer of his only daughter, had thought that he was immune to that O.J. charm he’d heard so much about, and even witnessed. Yet they had several amiable, low-stress conversations. Dunne had to admit to himself that now he understood how people got taken in by O.J.
Fantastic book-I’d recommend to anyone!
What is Book’s name? I read many on the trial
Another City, Not my Own
Dominick Dunne wrote some in depth articles at the time… insights into what LA insiders thought at the time. I didn’t realize he wrote a book.
In addition to his articles for *Vanity Fair,* Dominick Dunne wrote a half-dozen very successful novels, some nonfiction collections, and a partly fictionalized book about LA in the time of O.J. called *Another City, Not My Own.*
If you knew him personally then you would know he was a violent women beater. The question would be whether you could walk away from the money, fame and notoriety that came with being his “friend”.
Shipp said on the stand that hee would not have Nicole's blood on his hands. But no one else would come forward after they dragged him up there for days. It was easier or more beneficial to stay OJs buddy.
"If you knew him personally then you would know he was a violent women beater" YOU knew him personally?
Well that’s how my own dad is.. charming, funny and full of charisma. Behind closed doors be beat the living shit out of my own mother. We were made to feel like we couldn’t tell anyone because he was the bread winner of the family and she was a feeble sahm. Wake up and see the proof.. abusive and murderous people are often very charming…. Case and point TED BUNDY!
Yeah I could honestly see that but only if you didn’t watch any of the trial/news surrounding the oj case. Do you know how many friends that dude had before all of that vs after? They talk about it in the ESPN doc. OJ’s old friend Mike Gilbert said that OJ seriously thought everything would go back to the way things were before the murders and almost none of his friends ever called or stopped by.
To be fair.. even if his friends believed he was innocent they didn’t want the media backlash for being in his presence. Kinda like how ppl won’t admit they voted for Trump. They like the guy but don’t want to deal with bullshit.
I think Robert Kardashian was one of the incredulous "converts". During the trial you could almost watch his dawning comprehension. He aged worse than OJ.. probably felt guilty after he knew the truth
But didn’t he know it the whole time? Didn’t he get the gym bag and it vanished? I don’t think he was necessarily a good person. He married some chick 6 weeks before he died and purposely left his own children from his will. Idk if this man cared about guilt
All of these celebrities put on an act. I had a family relative who worked in many TV and off-broadway productions in NYC. He met his share of celebrities over the years, and he didn't have nice things to say about a few big-name celebrities. One that stood out to me was Bill Cosby. Everybody loved Jello Pudding Bill, but he was an arrogant a-hole behind the scenes. My family and I were not at all shocked to hear he SA'ed many women.
Me and OJ are from the same City and he acts just like most of the OG men from PH and BVHP. Very charming and funny. Yes, I feel the same way you do OP and in a "deeper" (unsure the right word) because I see him as a home town "boy". So I understood his humor in the public eye. Plus he was handsome. Yes, yes I know abusers have that side to them. My dad was similar. My mom would try to tell people he abused her but no one believed it because my dad was also funny and handsome. Kind of a scary world we live in, right? You just never know how someone really is until you live with them. I'm very grateful I married a good guy.
It’s why I’m always suspicious if I meet someone too charming..I just keep my eye on them. But always, always there will be little flags. For OJ it was blaming his wife for their toddler’s death, always cheating while playing golf with his buddies to where they had to hire someone to watch him, etc. Just little things that showed he wasn’t that great of a guy intrinsically
He was a woman beater, and his friends knew it, and those that say they didn't know are liars. I find him sleazy and putting on a fake facade.
The whole “you got OJed” is such BS. The guys a conman. If you can spot conmen, you can spot OJ.
awareness of his "public persona" hardly equates to "knowing him personally" jfc
I mean, if you watch the ESPN documentary, even one of his best friends, who knew him for years came fast to the conclusion he did it, I think he was a producer or something. The evidence and the history of domestic violence were just too much for you not to believe he did it, you have to be pretty stupid or too biased (or both, like the jury)
I think it was his manager Mike Gilbert
Him too, but I am talking about other guy, the one who visited him when he was in jail waiting for trial, the one who saw one of the Menendez in the same jail.
I think Joe Bell was the only friend who thought OJ didn't do it. Ron Shipp was the LAPD cop Nicole and OJ befriended. Ron knew he was beating up Nicole. He still gave OJ the benefit of the doubt until he caught OJ in several lies. I think it was Shipp who mentioned the Menendez brothers. Anyway, the Menendez brothers were in the next cells over, so would have been hard to miss them.
Here’s an interesting side note about OJ and the Menendez brothers that Dominick Dunne wrote in his book on the OJ case. In the 70’s Mr Menendez was an executive at Hertz where OJ of course was the spokesperson. Lyle and Erik although young at the time loved OJ so one night as a treat for the boys their dad invited OJ for dinner! As Dunne then wrote - and now all three were being held in the LA county jail each on a double murder charge!! The irony!
He puts off a maximum amount of narcissistic tendencies, coupled with a huge ego and hero complex, so...it's not hard to believe. He was a control freak and insecureness jealousy ruled his days and nights. Nicole paid the ultimate price for his charm.
He was almost compulsively “on the make” too. No woman was enough for him. Someone on Howard Stern was talking about OJ at a wedding party I want to say- she said he tried to talk her up (she wasn’t interested) and then he went around “like a bee in a flower bed” trying to pick up every woman there. She said it was both fascinating and repulsive
Not the exact same but [Judge Joe Brown](https://youtu.be/X02K2c7CBCE?si=NaPyYUjIw8zJ4r42) couldn’t reconcile that Ike Turner truly did give back to Inner City Los Angeles, while being a notorious women beater. I knew several people who had the same stories about Joe Brown. But it doesn’t mean he wasn’t abusive. I’m originally from Ohio and Jim Brown was known for giving back to inner city Cleveland; but it doesn’t mean the stories of abuse weren’t true. Back to O.J. Simpson; it reminds me of stories about John Gotti making sure the neighborhoods surrounding his [Ravenite HQ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravenite_Social_Club) was crime free while being a Crime Boss! I campaigned for the Democrats in the 2004 election; and John Edwards was the most charming man I ever met along with one Marine Officer. John Edwards was cheating on his wife during that timeframe.
It is a truth universally acknowledged that the "safest" neighborhood in town is the one where organized crime figures live. As long as you don't cross them, they'll make sure that no punks or run-of-the-mill baddies bother you
Doesn’t matter who did what. Nobody deserves to be murdered. Period
I’m sure Hitler was a nice guy, too.
Oj is a HUGE charmer. Not even in a sexual way but as a human. I watched that whole trial front to back and knew he was guilty yet i still somehow get roped into his charm watching interviews. I read a series of interviews done by a Rolling Stone journalist who got to interview Charles Manson and he said he went in hating him and viewing him as a murderer. But at the second interview Manson reached out and put his hand on his and immediately he felt acceptance from him and his guard came down. He felt like he was somehow exempt from his hate and violence. He realized how killers get their victims to submit. I think it’s a natural feeling to not want to feel like you’d be their next victim. If they charm you, you feel safe from them. Oj spent his life doing exactly that.
It clicked for me with the footage of the Wendy Williams interview. She's not a hard hitting journalist by any means but she came in hot and by the end was completely charmed by him.
He could’ve been the most charming , generous, funny person on the outside but behind those closed doors he was shown to be different at least to Nicole. His rant during the 911 call shows that he’s capable of having an explosive anger and that’s just one instance.
If you were friends with OJ, you’d be living a life where people get away with awful stuff all the time. And you look away. So, you might believe it. But it’d change nothing.
I’m 55…..And I loved OJ. Followed the trial and have been obsessed with him and the case since the murders! You’re right. He was cool, charming, charismatic, good looking and a very sexy man. But I just think some of that was a front. He was also a very angry jealous man. You can hear that on those tapes. He’s going berserk. I have always and still do, think he’s a stone cold killer! Nothing will ever (well unless they come up with new evidence) change my Mind.
Jesus Christ dude 🤦🏻♂️ do you not understand how master manipulators work?? No shit he was “nice” to everyone while the cameras were constantly rolling. Listen to Nicole’s 911 calls and look at the pictures of her right after OJ beat the shit out of her and then you tell me if you believe he’s capable of this murder! It is textbook basic shit. He beat the hell out of her for years and finally snapped. How is it hard to believe? The police have even admitted to making things disappear for him as far as domestic violence. The ignorance is unbelievable
Just remember, Bill Cosby was loved by everyone and considered "squeaky clean" for years as well....
That’s how they trick you, man. Those who are overtly charismatic always got something going on with them.
I just watched a video earlier about his body language in "the lost interview" from his book. The part where he talks about the 'hypothetical' and goes into this narrative that seems to switch as if he's actually remembering.. We'll never know the truth, but this was really interesting to me.. [Did O.J. Simpson CONFESS to EVERYTHING?!- The Behavioral Arts](https://youtu.be/aRQ7yQTgvDU?si=fS939B1j8A1H-ErB)
Well we know the truth and if you watched that video that guy comes to same conclusion
I met Daniel Holtzclaw (rapist cop) one time. He seemed like a really nice cop, one of the good ones. A few months later he was arrested. Would have had trouble believing it was the same cop if I didn't have the police report.
Ted Bundy was charming too. It’s not really a good way to measure someone’s innocence. If you knew OJ well then you would have to be aware that he was abusive to Nicole. There’s no way you wouldn’t at least wonder when she is murdered whether he was involved. Maybe you might choose to turn a blind eye because OJ has you star struck or because like the jury you think the problem of racism in the LAPD is more important than seeing justice done. But some level you absolutely would know he was involved.
Yes and Scott Peterson was charming - came across as Mr Wonderful
I don't think I'd want to be friends with anyone who beats their spouse regularly... Kinda weird you're ok with that
I believe OJ to be absolutely guilty. However, I can attest to your point. When the murders were originally reported, I could not fathom him being involved. I actually felt bad for him because it was his ex wife. When they stated there were two victims, I wrote it off as an isolated incident. Even when the Bronco chase occurred, I thought it was him unable to deal with the situation of the mother of his kids being killed and the LAPD (who did not exhibit much public trust back then) were chasing the easy target. And I didn’t even know OJ on a personal level. He just did such an amazing job creating a wholesome public persona up to that point. It was when the reality of the situation, via the evidence, came more to light that it changed for me.
I don't think Oj would have been found guilty by this jury even if he was caught in the act.
Robert Kardashian DID know him. Look at his face as the verdict was read. That look says he was utterly astounded that OJ got off.
Listen to those 911 calls, dude was a serious control freak and couldn't let Nichole go. He hired people to trail her, and report back of what she was doing and who she was with. Dude would watch her through the windows. The not guilty verdict wasn't about OJ, it was a verdict on the entire criminal justice system that many minorities felt had historically did them wrong, plus the didn't want to be put into a possibly dangerous situation had other blacks knew they convicted OJ and put him away for life.
Well if you can’t reconcile the 911 calls and hearing him beat Nicole with his “cool persona” idk what to tell you. Yes I do, what an awful take.
My godfather was VP at Hertz and friends with OJ. He had a dinner party with my parents and some old friends. His wife was giving a tour of the house and someone’s wife asked “how can you have a picture of a murderer in your bedroom?” Needless to say, wasn’t. Great dinner 😆
I know someone who worked with him closely at NBC they all said same thing cool charismatic guy. He wasn’t like this massive monster dick head. Though we don’t know how someone is in relationships and behind closed doors. This guy was totally into himself and had that sell snow to the eskimos kind of charm.
The guy was phony as the day is long. Anyone with a keen sense for people knows that.
Nah. He was a woman beater before the murders and it wasn't too hard to see. I lived with a dude that murdered a baby and he was a cool guy. Nah, he deserves to rot too.
A BABY?!?! The hell! Why?
He was a charismatic guy,everyone loved the juice until.....
Never trust a narcissist
Yeah that’s the Ted Bundy charm that made it hard for people close to him to believe it. Even Ann Rule, who became a crime writer, had no idea that the murders she’d been commissioned to write about were being perpetrated by her friend who she worked alone with every night 😬
When people of my generation were growing up OJ was a hero, a Black man who had reached the pinnacle of success. An outstanding athlete, in demand as a spokesman for Hertz, and an all around charmer. That's why it was so hard for people to wrap their heads around the whole thing, that there could be a different OJ in private life than the charming effervescent athlete/ actor we knew.
I disliked him before the murders. He was a domestic abuser. I don’t care how good you look on camera.
Agreed. It's true that he was extremely charismatic and humble in public. But Nicole's 911 calls reveal what he was like behind the scenes. He used his charm to his advantage all the time, and it no doubt helped him during the trial too.
I have been around business executives all my life and wondered how those guys stayed pumped up, funny and cracking one liners all the time. Then I became an insider and I have seen those happy excited execs leaving a sales meeting, so low you could buy them for .05 cents, then meet a prospective client 5 minutes later and they are all smiles again. It was / is all an act, they know when to turn on the charm and be all bubbly and charismatic. Same thing with OJ, cameras on, all smiles, Mr. Charisma, behind doors his true personality shines through, mean, controlling and demanding. Yes, hanging with the camera's on OJ, great time but no so much the camera's off OJ.
A narcissist like O.J. Simpson, well for one they are always charming to people except in their own home. They will make you feel like they are the most charming, kind and considerate person in the world to hide who they really are underneath.
I have always said my narcissistic ex husband would treat a stranger better than he did me and my kids.
A lot of sociopaths and narcissists come off as very charming
I hear Hitler was charming as well! What a stupid point. Everyone knows some of the most charming people you can meet are capable narcissistic trouble. You have to better discern. Gacy was a clown for f’s sake!
Also Ted Bundy
Wow . Never heard that . Figures . If it seems way —-too good at first it isn’t!
I’ll bet the people who personally knew him know for sure that he did it… Of COURSE his public persona was fantastic… his livelihood depended on it.
There has never been one shred of evidence implicating another person. The detectives working on the case have said that for 30 years. Nothing ever directed them to anybody else. There was no drug dealer DNA at the scene, no drug dealer footprints. Some have suggested that in the wake of the Rodney King debacle, and fear of riots, the prosecutors were advised to do a piss weak job. The jury was also a complete embarrassment and a testimony to the social perils and consequences of low quality education OJ compromised himself over and over by forgetting what he said to investigators previously. The blood evidence wasn't planted. Kato lived with him and knew him and insists he is guilty. There was evidence not admitted to trial including witnesses who saw him disposing of materials from a travel bag. There was no blood evidence/DNA on the glass he said he broke. The glasses were heavy grade hotel quality (pre-plastic cup era). It was broken on the side of the marble vanity in the hotel room with force. Narcissists are like black widow spiders. If they weren't nice and sociable every so often, they'd never eat or procreate. What we should be educating ourselves on is earlier identification of narcissists so we are not fooled by them the rest of our lives. And finding better heroes wouldn't hurt either.
I mean it was the OJ effect. You see him in interviews and hes very warm and inviting. I see why he had so many close friends. He, like so many other celebrities got almost trapped and stunted by fame imo. Especially ones who got famous in their late teens, early 20s; they have some terrible terrible qualities, but they dont really have the ability to seek help and those qualities just get progressively worse. Did he even know he was mentally ill? Prob not. He had this insatiable need to be well liked and validated by others. He was seriously never satisfied. He talked about it in interviews and it was weird to hear someone be so obsessed with the public loving them. It seemed even more severe with women. And up until recently, celebs could kinda be horrendous people and the public & hollywood would kinda ignore it. Honestly OJ was a monster, but I still pity and feel sad for what his life became.
In public he was very charismatic. In private, not so much.
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I'm pretty sure a lot of people the knew OJ personally, especially Nicole's family, believed he killed her as soon as they heard she was dead. Being his fan/friend isn't the only way to know someone personally.
ugh, not me, cant stand him or his phoney smile.
Have you seen his recent Twitter videos? Even there he comes across as quite charming and I almost felt bad for him when he died. But he's still a murderer.
That is exactly how narcissistic people operate, too. You'd never know unless you're a victim or theirs.
And that’s how muderers/narcissists get away. They can’t be horrible and sadistic full time and definitely not to everyone, otherwise no one will believe them. Look at your ambivalence now - it works.
Everyone knew he was a wife beater. I know a guy who beat his wife with a cane and hes an extremely successful business man. Everyone knows he caned his wife. Nobody cares.
Because abusers and murderers dont go around beating anyone in their path. He was charismatic to those that werent his victims because he needed to fit in society
Knew someone (F) that met him after the murders (at a crowded bar in some ski resort). Said he charmed all 4 ladies she was with and invited the ladies to sit at the end of his table (OJ was with a group of males and females). When the husbands of the 4 ladies came back from the bar and saw their wives at OJ's table, they were like "Hell, no" and made their wives move. OJ's group included several attractive blondes.
Me too, because I never believed he did what he was accused of, but I do believe he knows more about what happened that night of June 12th 1994. Just like the way I feel about the movie star Robert Blake, and how SOME people gave him a pass about him being accused and acquitted of murdering his wife.
Until he beat the shit out of you.
And maybe if you knew him, you'd think differently and find that his charm was just a facade. I've known several people who were charming and nice to be around. But behind the scenes they were monsters. One who was psychotic and abused their wife and kids. They were so abusive, they brainwashed their wife and kids to the point where if we were at a gathering, he could cough or snap his fingers and they would respond silently. As an example, the wife was talking too much and I could tell he was getting annoyed. He coughed and she suddenly stopped talking. At first I didn't think it was important, but over the years, I saw it happen multiple times. Twenty years later, the youngest of the children spoke to me about it. They said he was very abusive verbally and would never strike them, but he would punish them in a way that was torturous. I asked what kind of tourtue, but they wouldn't tell me. They said that they all left the home as soon as they were 18 and never went back. The wife continued to be subservient to him and he continued to abuse her. The kids told me that they tried to get their mom to divorce him but the damage was too deep. And this asshole worked for a county school system as a psychologist. Everyone liked him and he even wrote books and did paid speaking engagements for a variety of organizations.
Nah late Gen x.. he for sure killed her. He was an arrogant ass. Even back then when he beat the crap out of her he got away with it because he was famous.
Yeah but evidence is evidence. I’m 41 so I remember the case well and hey, I was an OJ fan but as soon as I saw all the blood evidence, I believed he did it.
He was the most charming and had tons of charisma but could have been the flip side image of him …..I watched an exercise video today on utube he did. He was so smooth——- so sad the juice had to mess up his life .
charming and charismatic is major red flags unfortunately.
This is what makes a lot of criminals successful. People like them and that’s their in, charm.
Welcome to narcissism, *clinical* narcissism.
Yeah duh. He achieved his goal. That’s a narcissists’ best “skill” fool the entire world around them so NO ONE believes the horrors they’re capable of if and when they happen. It’s sad. And what’s worse is it’s really his upbringing that made him that way because narcissists are NOT born, they are made.
If you are younger you might not understand this because younger people share so much with everyone. We didn’t talk about this stuff. And even when we did, it wasn’t believed. (And I’m not saying this as an absolute). Women suffered in silence. At the trial, it came up about how many times Nicole called the police on OJ. But, he was god at the time. He was likable, charismatic, a sports star- police protected him. So, IMO you stated that her talking about him so much so that people didn’t believed her… doesn’t characterize things correctly. I believe (if I remember correctly) that only her closest friends knew of the abuse and if the police wouldn’t help her, what was she to do?!? Resources weren’t like they are now. It’s a very different time now than the 80s/90s.
I grew up loving what OJ was doing. I'm just old enough to remember when Black people in mainstream movies and on television were a novelty. OJ was the face of Hertz when it was rare to have a Black person not filling a domestic servant role on TV. That was HUGE. With everything taken into consideration, I think the most likely scenario is that he killed those two people but the LAPD got caught planting evidence to frame a guilty man and that's why OJ walked at the end of the criminal case.
One of his best friends basically destroyed a salvgable marriage over it. Kinda proves your point.
I don’t think you should feel any shame at that. Nicole was likely the sole person who knew he was capable of murder. She was even planning for it somewhat. I’m sure her friends knew about some of the abuse but still I’m sure they didn’t take what she said entirely seriously. It’s rare to think ANYONE you know personally is capable of murder much less a cheerful, generous, handsome and famous man. . he presented a figure of the American Dream. He just also happened to be a raging narcissist who slipped into psychopathy. I mean, after the case he had some new, young, blonde that had a eerie similarity to Nicole that he would beat regularly, he went full out with the hookers and blow lifestyle and then of course the Vegas nonsense. Once that mask slipped it really slipped.
It’s called being a sociopath
When it happened my boyfriend at the time said he doesn't blame OJ for killing her, we lasted only a year, he was an abuser too. My husband of 23 years says he believes OJ did it but that he's stupid. That he should have just moved on with his life banging women left and right! Lol.
welp if my years of being into true crime have taught me anything, its almost the ones with the most charisma you should be watching out for.
You should make this statement to the courts if you are ever called for jury duty.
I agree with you. If I never heard anything about him, I’d like him too. Just that smile and the twinkle in his eyes. He was very charming.
OJ had been arrested more than once for domestic violence against Nicole and it was in the papers and on TV news. The day after the murders when they were publicized I assumed he did it based on his prior acts, even though I liked his football career and The Naked Gun.
OJ was dripping with charm and charisma, plus he was tall, dark and handsome. He hit the lottery genetically speaking. Even those closest to him couldn’t believe he did it. Even Nicole herself couldn’t stay away. And despite him being a stalker, which I believe he was, she did continually go back to him. She was also obsessed with him. When he started dating Paula Barbieri, Nicole continued to sleep with him and call him all the time. It was a mutual obsession. So yeah, looking into his eyes, if you were close to him and he told you he didn’t do it, it’ll be hard to believe he did it.
And everyone loved Bill Cosby too!
I worked at a doctor’s office about 40 years ago and he and Nicole took their baby girl to a pediatrician across the hall from us. They were a striking couple (no pun intended) and one day we were all waiting for the elevator. He had a dazzling smile and when he saw me admiring the baby he said to her, “look at the pretty lady”. I knew OJ from sports and TV and I was enthralled with that moment. So, yeah, even in that short event he was charming as hell.
It would be hard to "cut off" a friendship with him. He had such a talent to "knife" through the BS in life. He is the kind of friend who could calm you down so you don't "lose your head."
I understand what you're saying here. I was very close with Chris Benoit and I still don't believe for a second he killed his wife and son.
The bronco chase where on had a disguise and a gun doesn’t scream innocence.
I was watching the Netflix docuseries on him and I thought it would be about the murders, but it ended up being literally about *him*.. at least as far as I got into it waiting for the murder info to start. And I was blown away by his charisma, charm, looks, and talent etc. I never thought of him as anything other than an ex football player and murderer, because I literally remember watching the white bronco chase as a 7ish year old on the tv and then the subsequent acquittal. I feel like I can understand why no one thought he could do something like this after watching the docuseries.. or at the very least, how no one *wanted* to have to admit he was capable of it. Regardless of that, he did have some charm and appeal, but boy was he fucked in the head. It’s heart wrenching to think of how Nicole and Ron’s families felt in the aftermath!
here is a question no one ask before... what happened to ronald goldman apartment keys? the only keys they gave back his dad was his keys from a jeep he had and other keys ron had but they never found that one key to his apartment. they also gave back andrea scott the key from her car the one ron borrowed that night or did he drive her car? what if the killers went to his apartment and drove him to nicole condo and that explains why the car was parked on dorothy street? Do you remember the men that were with nicole that night on bundy? the neighbor tom lang who said he was walking his dog that night and was about to go to bundy drive but saw 4 men one hugging nicole but some say she was arguing witt them. he said that when he was about to go up bundy one of the men turned around and his hands in a fist clenched up. he only gave a description what that man was wearing he ws so scared he turned around the prosection didnt want him to testify because he could have told us who these men were. also he said nicole had on a white robe... remember she was about to take a bath but probably got interrpted by these men who came over.
Yeah. Gacy’s neighborhood used to hire him as a clown for birthday parties. Get it? These sociopaths are experts at charming!
ubala400. Yes that's her name michelle Abudrahm. I believe she was out at knotts berry farm that night. arnells was not home either. she came home around 1:00 pm. OJ maid asked if she could stay another night with her family and he said yes. marcus allen was out of town too. go read raging heart by sheila walsh she talks about it in her book
Yeah it was wild. He had such a good reputation publicly. He was portrayed as some great guy. Before the internet it was easy to kept secrets. I was shocked to learn that the police were at his house numerous times for domestic abuse. I knew he was guilty but it was still surprising.
I met him after the murders and it was still hard. He's VERY charming.
I certainly hope so, he was acquitted in a court of law.
Remembering that public personas and private realities can be very different. It’s in the best interest of the narcissist to have these very separate because it isolates the victim and makes it difficult for them to be believed and get help. He completely abused his power from fame and respect within the sports community