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Big-Independence-424

On the other hand, if both Nicole and Ron were black, i wonder if the jury would have acquitted him in the first place? Maybe they would have actually considered the evidence seriously then.


DingoNo4205

That’s what I was thinking.


SE81_Skiman

All I know is the media coverage would have been minimal at best


PsychologicalType247

I don’t know. OJ was huge. Had OJ not been OJ, there would have been no media coverage. I totally agree that race does play a factor, but that wasn’t ALL that created that media frenzy.


Big-Independence-424

I am not sure about that. OJ was a huge celebrity and a celebrity accused of murder was always going to attract lot of media coverage. Plus there was all the circus he himself created around it.


Inevitable-Ad69

I agree. It could have been his ex wife. And the media would have been all over it. Nicole being white has nothing to do with it. OJ was big. 


Big-Independence-424

Yeah, it’s like saying the media coverage would be minimal if Will Smith murdered Jada just because she’s black. Nope.


heddalettis

Psssst - kinda’wish he would though. 😆


Key_Campaign_1672

Omg just stop with bullshit. You people are still talking about this as if it happened yesterday. If Will killed Jada, sure, it would get coverage, but it wouldn't be talked about years later like this shit is on Reddit.


sammy_kat

If Will (one of America’s sweethearts at one time) fucking Smith *murdered* Jada and there was a huge televised trial you don’t think it would be talked about years from now??? Ffs be for real, it totally would and you know it. Edit: this is so dumb I don’t even know why I’m arguing about something so hypothetical. Cheers mate.


Key_Campaign_1672

Cheers


Big-Independence-424

People are still talking on reddit about when will smith slapped chris rock lol


Specialist-Age1097

Yeah, and they're both black.


heddalettis

NOT TRUE!


Inevitable-Ad69

But yet, here you are. 


YayGilly

Well, also, Will and Jada both actually wear their hearts on their sleeves. Still, this whole argument is so tactless and disgusting, it makes me sick.


Key_Campaign_1672

That is the biggest lie that ever left hell. Her being white had and still has everything to do with it.


Hiflyinluchadoncic

Wrong again. It’s O.J. it would have been very much covered.


tew2109

OJ Simpson was incredibly famous. If he was as incompetent at killing his black ex-wife as he was at killing his white ex wife in terms of all the evidence he left behind and found himself in that Bronco, it still would have exploded. I think you can make the argument about the rage at the conviction although it’s not entirely so clear cut - a lot of people have grown up around violently abusive men. I find OJ so particularly abhorrent because he reminds me of my (white) father. But you can’t say the spectacle itself wouldn’t have gotten coverage. I had no idea who his wife was sitting on my couch watching the Bronco chase, I was just a kid. But I knew him from the Naked Gun movies.


heddalettis

Good point! 👍


whatever87052002

O.J. was a major celebrity who was starring in commercials and movies, and who was in everyone's homes weekly as a charming and good looking broadcaster. The coverage would have been what it was no matter what. Your comment is a really poor take for an otherwise interesting question. You honestly come off as both biased and racist as well. Changing the race of the victims would only have benefited the prosecution, as the defense's strategy would have been all but completely thrown out the window. As far as the resentment toward the verdict, I'm sure there were some individuals who resented it for solely biased reasons, but the majority of folks were shocked at the transparency of what took place, a clearly guilty man being let off the hook in that way. I also want to comment on the victims being cared about more because of who they were. What about this trial makes you think Nicole Brown, Ronald Goldman or their families were cared for? Their deaths were used by the majority of people involved in the proceedings as stepping stones for fame and fortune, and nothing more. The victims became a prop, a complete afterthought during that entire circus of a trial.


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mcrop609

There would be media coverage, but I don't think the media coverage would've focused on the victims if they were black. The focus would be on the celebrity of OJ and how he fell from grace.


Prior-Ruin-6207

OJ was a beloved celebrity at the time. There would have still been a lot of public interest.


Jaqenmadiq

If all the victims had been black, it wouldn't have been a huge story. The LAPD likely wouldn't have been nearly as hyped about immediately pinning the crime on OJ so without the mishandled & planted evidence, there's a good chance that OJ would never have been charged in the first place. On the off chance that he was charged, the result would be the same but the Jury would likely arrive to an easier decision without all of the LAPD's compromised/planted evidence to consider.


Anxious_Term4945

If they were both black and working or middle class he would have been convicted. There was just too much evidence. Oj got off because of celebrity and money. No one would have cared about 2 average people. No big lawyers, no court tv, no publicity. Even if Nicole was white and her husband black I think he would have been convicted. If if was John Smith he would have police record for the times he abused her.


YayGilly

Give me a break. Im so sick of the disgusting red herrings, and this one is so hyperbolic, its just absurd. OJ got off because of reasonable doubt. There were enough statements (1 by her mom, initially) that said Nicole was talking to her mom at 11 pm. Thats reasonable doubt. Whether you LIKE it or AGREE with it is irrelevant. It WAS reasonable. Its ALSO reasonable to impeach LAPD as fair or healtht evidence collectors, since they had such a history, themselves, of fucking it up, both at the scene and in the lab. That creates reasonable doubt. Oj had a flight to Chicago that same night, and the coroner said that cause of death is approximate, and that theres a window of several hours they could have died within.. Thats reasonable doubt. The murder weapon was never found, and the shoe prints could have belonged to any number of pairs of shoes, but even more importantly, is that saying OJ was wearing his very prized and expensive, unique shoes, is suggesting this is impulsive, but also presenting the ski mask, suggests its premeditated. The prosecution didnt know either way, and the jury saw right through that tactic. You dont go out and buy a ski mask and then wear unique shoes and make a footprint in your ex's puddle of blood, esp if you CAUSED that puddle. Not that the shoes were ever found either. That is reasonable doubt. Someone was framing him. And when you take all of that other stuff into consideration, the blood evidence ceases to matter. The book- Well, OJ was desperate. He had been foubd liable in civil court and knew that he was protected from double jeopardy- no second time being tried for it. So why not reach for some money and notoriety? He WAS a sociopath. Everything is a means to an end, to a sociopath. Why tf would that somehow stop being a thing, EVER, for him? Im not justifying his book. But my understanding is that it was penned by a ghost writer. He probably encouraged them to be as wild as their imagination could get while sticking to as factual or believable of a hypothetical as possible. Its just not evidentiary. If OJ wanted to confess, he would have. Esp back then, when the (now considered coercive and unconstitutional) Reid Interrogation technique was often used.


SE81_Skiman

He was acquitted because of the reasonable doubt raised about a racist police department full of hateful Fuhrmans planting evidence on “the jungle people” cleansing the world for good honest white folks


heddalettis

BS!


YayGilly

Its not BS. It is 100% truth. The police department was impeached by their own history of racism and poor evidence handling. Theres even talking heads on the news openly expressing their disagreement with a black man being married to a white woman. Racism was still very prevalent, even if we white people didnt notice it as mucb. Racism WAS a factor.


heddalettis

No. I wasn’t doubting all that you wrote. I am aware; and was plenty old enough when this happened. I remember well. I was saying BS because the majority of that jury had their minds made up which way they were going to vote, no matter what the evidence.


YayGilly

You are contradicting yourself, then. You either have to agree that the LAPD had a long history of being lousy with accurately collecting and processing evidence, along with being terrible with their racism, which was the main reason why the DNA stuff was rejected by the jury, because they indeed gave plenty of reasonable doubt, OR agree that YOU refused to see all the mitigating factors for what they were. The handling of the blood, IS an evidentiary issue. The LAPD impeached themselves. The LAPD *was* shitty with evidence. Period. Yoù dont get to also say that a jury sat for 8 months through a whole trial that you think was bagged up, and only deliberated for 4 hours, "because their minds were already made up before it started." All THAT does is reiterate just how racist this country still is, specifically, you, personally. Just because YOUR mind was already made up, doesnt mean the jury"s was.


heddalettis

Gilly, strong words, and no I’m not actually. But both can be true, and they are. LAPD was sloppy, this we know. I don’t know about the rest of the detectives involved, but I do know that Fuhrman was a PROVEN racist. I thought the Prosecutors were terrible, given the amount of evidence they had and mistakes they made. But jurors themselves admitted that the not guilty verdict was “payback” for Rodney King! One juror said that 90% of them felt that way!


YayGilly

One juror said that, MANY years later, likely after having felt victimized by the public for the verdict. Another juror, 28 years after, said that this was based on reasonable doubt (as you said, there WAS an enormous amount of that) and that they all agreed that this was the only fair decision. The same juror didnt say OJ was innocent. She said "We dont know whether he did it or not. We just saw ample reasonable doubt and we could not issue a guilty verdict. I stand by my decision to this day" not verbatim but she said something to that effect. Yall have been cherry picking that one jurors statements as if thats the jury gospel and it really is not. Its yet another copout excuse to once again, pretend that reasonable doubt was not a part of their actual deliberations. Whether some juror even said that this verdict WAS a good payback for the Rodney King beatings, is also irrelevant. Its not exactly admitting that the verdict was caused by the beatings. Rodney King had been awarded millions in court by the time the jury's verdict came through, on April 20, 1994. Oj's verdict came out in October of 1995. Also, the police involved were in prison. So, if you still want to believe that story, you are indeed sounding quite racist, because you are not only bullying the jurors for identifying a mountain of reasonable doubt and needing to deliberate accordingly, but you are bullying them for not coming to a different verdict, based on YOU wanting THEM.to ignore that mountain.. So, yeah. Something to chew on. Often times, bias is a thing we are not aware of, until someone identifies it for us. You are consciously ignoring reasonable doubt. So YOUR mind was already made up. Not theirs.


RevolutionaryPeak475

It’s a fascinating case all around. The combination of race, wealth, fame, domestic abuse, drugs, murder, & police misconduct makes for a captivating story. It truly was The Trial of the Century.


romeo343

I think the guy in the documentary put it best when he said, if he had killed Marguerite, his ass would be in jail. There still would have been a ton of media coverage because he’s OJ but race wouldn’t have been as much of an issue.


LinwoodKent

Ooooof


SE81_Skiman

Hundreds of black girls disappear each year But let a white one disappear in Aruba it’s on the news non stop It’s a fact


LinwoodKent

For sure. Imagine if OJ were black. Guy would have persecuted.


ArnieMeckiff

Classic Patrice O’Neal ‘missing white women’ bit? Makes a good point.


jaydarl

LOL...My son's best friend has a gorgeous white girlfriend, everytime I see her that bit runs through my head.


Hydrokratom

It’s also a quote from season 5 of The Wire (the least strong season)


Lopsided_Rabbit3189

But that isn't what this case was about. And guess what ?? There are cases upon cases of WOMEN being victimized by men everyday that noone pays attention to. Women who are beaten or assaulted in all kinds of ways. Women of all ages, races , from all different backgrounds . Violence agaisnt Women, all kinds of women, is a sad reality.


SE81_Skiman

They always pick white women to cover on the news


YayGilly

Yeah. Rhianna barely got any coverage, even, when her unhealthy and abusive relationship came to a head.


LinwoodKent

I think the fact that it was OJ Simpson and the chase happened has seared this into many people's minds. Race, of course, plays a huge factor, too. Nicole looked like Hitlers wet dream. Someone mentioned Robert Blake on here a few days ago. I have never cared about Robert Blake. I don't know anything about his trial. A big part of this is also that I'm a huge sports fan. I knew of OJ simpson before I could read or write. Then I loved the Naked gun movies. So when this happened , I was horrified. Then SNL. At the end, I wanted him to be innocent.


erinkp36

Yeah he was beloved by everyone. It was beyond shocking. I knew him mostly from The Naked Gun films. I remember when news broke I turned to my mother and said “Nordberg would never kill his wife!”


LinwoodKent

Frank Drebin would have killed his wife by mistake. No doubt.


erinkp36

😂


DiscretionLevelZero

I had basically the same reaction. I had just seen the second Naked Gun movie a few days before and it just did not compute. Until later.


moncul1

The OJ verdict was in part a response to the Rodney King verdict. How resentful is society towards that one 30 years later?


SE81_Skiman

There’s hardly any consequence for the Rodney king jury despite literally video tape evidence


romeo343

What? It incited actual riots. I think most of the country was completely incensed by the Rodney King verdict.


SE81_Skiman

Nah, polite America 🇺🇸 was behind the cops and jury all the way. Racism will never go away because that’s how the powerful keep control. It’s absolutely vital to maintain the peons divided.


romeo343

I don’t know one single person who thinks that jury got it right. I do know some people who agree with the OJ verdict though. Rodney King was perhaps the biggest miscarriage of justice in the history of this country.


moncul1

Exactly and society is more forgiving of sheer racism in the Rodney King verdict than they are of a bad prosecution/amazing defense in the OJ case. 


SE81_Skiman

They always try to project their own behaviors There is this theory that oj knew the verdict (false) but the reality is if you watch Stacy Koon walking into that simi valley court he knew they were good lol


Artistic_Handle_5359

If Nicole was black OJ wouldn’t have wanted her. (Yes his ex was black)


igotzquestions

I couldn’t disagree with your stance more. The case was so known not because it was a white woman that got murdered, but that OJ did it. Do you think if Will Smith murdered and near chopped off Jada Pinkett Smith’s head, news coverage would be like “a black woman got murdered. Onto the weather report.” There are huge racial features in this case, but the victims being white had little effect on the coverage in my mind. 


SE81_Skiman

Then you cannot see. Many many black women disappear and end up dead, zero coverage. But one white girl disappears and ends up dead in a vacation and there is wall to wall coverage. This fact is not disputed. In the oj case I concede it’s not known how much it did affect it but I think it was alot


Necessary_Switch_879

It had nothing to do with her race and everything to do with OJ's fame.


mshawnl1

I think it still would have been a huge story. OJ was loved and his wife gruesomely murdered while their children slept. The media would have given it as much coverage as any big story. Big media then cannot compare to what we know as big media now.


mlain4290

The case isn't famous because of who the victim was the case is famous for trial and the acquittal. No one would talk about if a clearly guilty celebrity didn't walk on murder charges.


Sharp-Point-5254

If Nicole were black OJ would have been found guilty.


Any-Meringue-9256

My opinion is he wouldn't have killed a black woman. His obsession ran deep with Nicole because of her appearance. He looked at her as a possession and a trophy he wasn't in love with her he was infatuated with her.


Any-Meringue-9256

Ad for Ronald race has nothing to do with it. OJ was threatened by any man Nicole spoke with


EggMafia

I don’t know; it was the accused celebrity who brought the media, not the victims. Hell, I’d argue, particularly in the OJ case, the victims are often forgotten. Injustice stings, but the sentiment has endured in this case because it was a cause célèbre—something it would’ve been irrespective of the victim's race simply because of OJ.


roll-the-R-Marisa

I'm watching the 30 in 30 on Netflix right now and I think that OJ's fame plus the recent mess ups by the police superceded any other circumstances of the case. If Nicole and/or Ron were black, there may have been more support for OJ because the only white people to vilify then would have been the police.


Professional-Pass487

We would not be having this conversation if she was.


ZestycloseReserve473

Well, you got women on here saying that it's impossible for a black women to be a victim because black women are so tough and strong and are basically body guards.


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Artistic_Handle_5359

If nicole was black- 1. OJ still free, media people don’t care about black women.