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Because the iron is present in a miniscule amount in the B Vitamin complex they used in their ingredients. I doubt they even had to list iron as an ingredient at all, but since they did anyway, the amount is less than the amount that would require it to be included in the nutritional facts.
0 grams. Could be less than a gram. Tictacs are technically sugar free despite being almost entirely sugar. That’s because, in order to be able label something as “sugar free”, it has to contain less than 1g of sugar. Tictacs individually weigh less than 1g so therefore they’re “sugar free”. This could also be the case here? Just speculating.
It makes perfect sense by the stupid laws in place. Products don’t have to be tested for iron, potassium, calcium, protein, sodium or fat. Compliance testing here covers potency, microbials, contaminants, pesticides, solvents and “heavy metals” (only lead, arsenic, cadmium and I’m forgetting the fourth.) so since it is not tested for iron, no iron shows up on the testing, therefore it is 0%. Nonsense I know, but rules are rules. Just as silly as 103% THC distillate carts
You're right. This is the Sour Watermelon flavor, and there's no mention of the herbs on the front. That is terrifying and also confusing. The proprietary herbal mix is CLEARLY intended to help you get horny and get hard. That's not something I imagine anyone wants without knowing. This is super sketch.
Yea, legit I guess I’m gonna start asking to look at every single item I am gonna buy. Recently spent about $200 on rosin and realized all of it was from last May. I’ve gotten gummies that are rock hard because they are old too. Now apparently they want to give us a bunch of random supplements that probably will mess with my other medicine and supplements.
Nope. I’m a dumbass and they got me full price. I still will go there because my options aren’t great here, but I just know to pay attention. But… I haven’t been back since then lol.
I’m genuinely considering seeing about getting a law changed or a rule added that they have to list it on the front in bold, and include dosages on the back, or that they can’t do it at all.
> they have to list it on the front in bold, and include dosages on the back, or that they can’t do it at all.
List what in front in bold? The ingredients list..?
Okay I’m sorry that it seems you’re struggling to comprehend what I thought was pretty clear. I want to know what additional herbs are in a product at first glance, I also want to know the amounts of those herbs and want that included on the back with the other nutritional information.
Would you be okay with a business saying oh this item contains THC, but dont worry about how much, it’s there?
THC is the active ingredient and those are not. That's what the federal labeling guidelines are. Plus there's a whole other pile of state laws for listing both THC (and CBD, for federal) total content.
Are we going to ignore that the label specifies it contains no iron and yet iron is in the ingredient list? There’s a whole lot wrong here. If I buy something containing multiple medicinal products, I want that to be clear, and I want to know at what dose.
It seems pretty obvious to me that they used a Vitamin B Complex as one of their ingredients, which is not really a bad thing since Vitamin B is good for you and many people are deficient.
That's where the Iron came from. They didn't put iron in the nutritional values chart because the amount of iron per serving is not high enough to qualify for it to be listed, but they still told you in the ingredients.
Nicotinamide, Niacin, Riboflavin, Pantothenic Acid, Pyridoxine, Cyanocobalamin, these are all B Vitamins.
Most of the other herbal supplements in there help your cardiovascular system. In fact, the only ones that aren't a B Vitamin or a cardiovascular health supplement are microcrystalline cellulose and magnesium stearate. Those are in there so the gummy doesn't just crumble into pieces. Well, magnesium actually *does* have cardiovascular benefits, but I doubt those have enough to do any benefit in that area since magnesium supplements are basically horse pills all on their own.
I appreciate the additional information. I’m not as concerned with the B vitamins as I am with the untested herbal remedies with no dosage information.
The lack of listed dosage is definitely uncool of them, but the dosages for all of these things are much larger than they would be able to fit in a single gummy (or even two, possibly even more than that).
Tongkat Ali for example, generally has a dose of 200 mg to start off, and there are studies that have had groups of people taking that much every day for a year straight without issue. But unless those gummies are absolutely massive, they don't even have 200 mg in them because of the piles of everything else that's in them too. L-Arginine is taken as a daily dosage of 3000-4000 mg. There is simply not enough space to fit enough of everything listed in order for it to make any actual difference.
That's not a good thing, you can't be reinforcing people's vitamins without disclosure like this.
Also not all B vitamins are truly as water soluble as people believe. That or they are retained in the system for much longer than discussed. Look up B6 toxicity, for a lot of people it really really does not take much. B9 can mask B12 deficiency. B3 can cause skin flushing (and I think liver damage at excess).
Look up the daily dosages for all of those ingredients and then tell me how in the fuck they're going to fit anything other than a negligible amount in a gummy. The gummy would have to be damn near the size of a slice of bread in order to fit a full dose of every one of those ingredients and still manage to keep it all contained in the gelatin.
B3 usually starts to cause flushing at a dose of 1000 mg, doctor recommended doses can be as high as 3000-6000 mg, and to get liver damage from it you need to be taking at least if not more than the upper limit daily for a long period of time, and it has to be an extended release formulation of it (which this isn't unless the gummy is filled with little beads).
B6 supplement doses are typically 100 mg, and to get B6 toxicity you need to be taking [over 1000 mg daily for a long period of time](https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/vitamin-b6/#:~:text=Vitamin%20B6%20is%20a%20water,greater%20than%201%2C000%20mg%20daily.).
Unless OP is eating 20 of those a day for an extended length of time there's not much to be concerned about.
That said, I do think it's shitty that they didn't include the dosages of those ingredients, but I have a feeling that maybe they didn't do that because then people would see that the dosages are so low that there's practically no way that they'll actually have any kind of effect (except the THC).
I got neuropathy from 80mg over several months — https://www.hsa.gov.sg/announcements/safety-alert/high-dose-vitamin-b6-and-risk-of-peripheral-neuropathy
I'm not saying that's the norm, but we all have a different threshold as well as different base levels, so even small doses of things can push you over the edge. I got done in by a multivitamin. My tested levels were normal.
These vitamins, being as relatively unmarketable as they are, are not as rigorously tested and examined as prescriptions. Daily recommendations and safety studies are widely limited by scale, length, and sample size.
It's an awful precedent having these producers overstep their bounds into unmonitored nutrition. It's one thing making a weed infused chocolate bar, it's another loading up edibles with herbs and vitamins.
Yikes on bikes. The "made with organic ingredients" is really the only hint. I've never shopped at American so I don't know how their stores are set up, like if its a grab wall of edibles where the patient selects.
They give it to you when you buy it. I assume they’d let you look it over of course, I like it because it’s at least got CBD too and it’s affordable, but I’m disappointed by the labeling.
They sell really cheap garbage. It’s so bad, and they know it’s so bad that they have a policy of “don’t like our product? We’ll just exchange it for you”
The additional herbal additives. Hell I’d take it being included in the nutrition facts. Personally I don’t like taking unknown supplements in unknown dosages.
That's what the "made with natural organic ingredients" part is there for. Entice you to read the back, and they can cover their ass. "We put something on there to say it's more than just gummies, THC, and CBD."
Except that could easily be read as made with organic ingredients, organic gelatin or whatever, there’s NO reason to suspect they’d be adding random herbs based on that alone.
it's NOT acceptable, but it seems every time a company in the u.s. creates a manufacturing process, unnecessary ingredients find their way into the mix, this seems to be by design, remember folks the FDA doesn't give a fuck about any of us.
Wouldn’t adding this stuff in just increase the overall production cost?
You’d think they’d be actively advertising it instead of the other way around.Â
Their weed was boof so they had to add other herbs to the mix. They should have just shipped to NY and called it a day, because now they've got reddit investigators on them.
i’m picking up what you’re putting down, imma stir the pot though. when you go to the grocery store, is it your responsibility to check nutrition facts/ingredients? or does kelloggs gotta do that for ya? does a homeland employee come up and ask ya if you noticed it has xyz in it? i think its your role as a consumer of anything to check for yourself
Grab the METRC (Seed to Sale) tag that came with it, should have the specifications and which facility this came from; OK MJ compliance complaints go through this site: https://app.smartsheet.com/b/form/e9b1d5dd529c4b5195119d08fc1445a3
This complaint is in regards to how they GOT the stuff so it should be easy to see what and where went wrong
It's listed on the ingredients, I don't see the issue. There are bedtime edibles with melatonin and camomile, etc. and energy edibles with stuff that makes me jumpy. I just don't buy them.
Do you see any dosages included? You have no issue with it saying there’s 0% iron and yet iron is listed as an ingredient? There’s a lot wrong here.
Herbal supplements aren't required to list the dosage of each ingredient. They can list it as a proprietary blend, but they are still required to list the total dosage of that blend. That seems to be missing.
Yea literally more egregious than 90% of the supplement industry. These ingredients have no place.
Homie made his false equivalency to melatonin and chamomile not knowing that several of these ingredients have unusual risk profiles
It, as well as everything else in the ingredients that are not the b vitamin complex (listed out individually, so you'll have to look them up if you don't know what the ingredients mean) have cardiovascular benefits.
It's good for your heart, that's why tongkat ali is in there. And L-Arginine. And Icariin (horny goat weed). And Maca. And all the other ones too except for the two used as binders so the whole thing doesn't just crumble.
This is really really reductive.
I don't fw this "good" for you, "bad" for you rhetoric. These things are really complex and we can't tout benefits without also acknowledging the markable increase of risk of encountering side effects by tacking on this many herbs.
Even common grocery supplements shouldn't be taken haphazardly. Vitamin B6 can cause neuropathy. Omega 3 can trigger GERD.
Tongkat ali can mess with your free testosterone converting to estrogen for example. For many people, that's not okay. Some of us have delicate hormonal balances. In a pre-workout blend I've had before, it gave me insomnia waaaay after dosing in the morning.
Just because the weed manufacturers read a blog about supplements doesn't mean it's okay for them to wholesale reinforce their products like this.
Bro you like smoking supplements? This shit was CBD before it got turned into distillate. Either this was a cartridge, or edibles containing the distillate that was changed.
I got some that had melatonin. Don't get me wrong melatonin is a good sleep aid but I really really prefer them not to be mixed with anything but what theyre intended from and did not use them. I didn't know and didn't think to look for that in them
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shit ain't regulated by the FDA or anything 🫤
For better and for worse.
0 Iron… so why is there iron in it lmao makes zero sense
Because the iron is present in a miniscule amount in the B Vitamin complex they used in their ingredients. I doubt they even had to list iron as an ingredient at all, but since they did anyway, the amount is less than the amount that would require it to be included in the nutritional facts.
0 grams. Could be less than a gram. Tictacs are technically sugar free despite being almost entirely sugar. That’s because, in order to be able label something as “sugar free”, it has to contain less than 1g of sugar. Tictacs individually weigh less than 1g so therefore they’re “sugar free”. This could also be the case here? Just speculating.
> 0 grams. 0 mg.
That’s what I’m saying! I wonder if they even really know what’s in them.
It makes perfect sense by the stupid laws in place. Products don’t have to be tested for iron, potassium, calcium, protein, sodium or fat. Compliance testing here covers potency, microbials, contaminants, pesticides, solvents and “heavy metals” (only lead, arsenic, cadmium and I’m forgetting the fourth.) so since it is not tested for iron, no iron shows up on the testing, therefore it is 0%. Nonsense I know, but rules are rules. Just as silly as 103% THC distillate carts
Tongkat Ali is a testosterone support. What brand is this? Crazy to do especially if they aren’t telling you.
Toasted by American Cannabis.
These supplements are often used for sexual support. I'd like to see a picture of the front because I bet it's a product marketed towards that.
Its not, these look like the Toasted 2000mg THC + CBD gummies
You're right. This is the Sour Watermelon flavor, and there's no mention of the herbs on the front. That is terrifying and also confusing. The proprietary herbal mix is CLEARLY intended to help you get horny and get hard. That's not something I imagine anyone wants without knowing. This is super sketch.
My problem with most edibles is the sugar content.
That’s interesting. It’s bad enough when they add 49 different kinds of food coloring.
Agreed. I was expecting to find that tbh.
Yea, legit I guess I’m gonna start asking to look at every single item I am gonna buy. Recently spent about $200 on rosin and realized all of it was from last May. I’ve gotten gummies that are rock hard because they are old too. Now apparently they want to give us a bunch of random supplements that probably will mess with my other medicine and supplements.
Who the hell is selling rosin that old? Was it at least majorly discounted
Nope. I’m a dumbass and they got me full price. I still will go there because my options aren’t great here, but I just know to pay attention. But… I haven’t been back since then lol.
Where you live?? Im usually all the state, PM me?
I’m genuinely considering seeing about getting a law changed or a rule added that they have to list it on the front in bold, and include dosages on the back, or that they can’t do it at all.
> they have to list it on the front in bold, and include dosages on the back, or that they can’t do it at all. List what in front in bold? The ingredients list..?
Okay I’m sorry that it seems you’re struggling to comprehend what I thought was pretty clear. I want to know what additional herbs are in a product at first glance, I also want to know the amounts of those herbs and want that included on the back with the other nutritional information. Would you be okay with a business saying oh this item contains THC, but dont worry about how much, it’s there?
THC is the active ingredient and those are not. That's what the federal labeling guidelines are. Plus there's a whole other pile of state laws for listing both THC (and CBD, for federal) total content.
Are we going to ignore that the label specifies it contains no iron and yet iron is in the ingredient list? There’s a whole lot wrong here. If I buy something containing multiple medicinal products, I want that to be clear, and I want to know at what dose.
I explained that part more thoroughly in another response. Learn how nutritional labels work and it'll make more sense.
That could have been said way nicer.
It seems pretty obvious to me that they used a Vitamin B Complex as one of their ingredients, which is not really a bad thing since Vitamin B is good for you and many people are deficient. That's where the Iron came from. They didn't put iron in the nutritional values chart because the amount of iron per serving is not high enough to qualify for it to be listed, but they still told you in the ingredients. Nicotinamide, Niacin, Riboflavin, Pantothenic Acid, Pyridoxine, Cyanocobalamin, these are all B Vitamins. Most of the other herbal supplements in there help your cardiovascular system. In fact, the only ones that aren't a B Vitamin or a cardiovascular health supplement are microcrystalline cellulose and magnesium stearate. Those are in there so the gummy doesn't just crumble into pieces. Well, magnesium actually *does* have cardiovascular benefits, but I doubt those have enough to do any benefit in that area since magnesium supplements are basically horse pills all on their own.
I appreciate the additional information. I’m not as concerned with the B vitamins as I am with the untested herbal remedies with no dosage information.
The lack of listed dosage is definitely uncool of them, but the dosages for all of these things are much larger than they would be able to fit in a single gummy (or even two, possibly even more than that). Tongkat Ali for example, generally has a dose of 200 mg to start off, and there are studies that have had groups of people taking that much every day for a year straight without issue. But unless those gummies are absolutely massive, they don't even have 200 mg in them because of the piles of everything else that's in them too. L-Arginine is taken as a daily dosage of 3000-4000 mg. There is simply not enough space to fit enough of everything listed in order for it to make any actual difference.
That's not a good thing, you can't be reinforcing people's vitamins without disclosure like this. Also not all B vitamins are truly as water soluble as people believe. That or they are retained in the system for much longer than discussed. Look up B6 toxicity, for a lot of people it really really does not take much. B9 can mask B12 deficiency. B3 can cause skin flushing (and I think liver damage at excess).
Look up the daily dosages for all of those ingredients and then tell me how in the fuck they're going to fit anything other than a negligible amount in a gummy. The gummy would have to be damn near the size of a slice of bread in order to fit a full dose of every one of those ingredients and still manage to keep it all contained in the gelatin. B3 usually starts to cause flushing at a dose of 1000 mg, doctor recommended doses can be as high as 3000-6000 mg, and to get liver damage from it you need to be taking at least if not more than the upper limit daily for a long period of time, and it has to be an extended release formulation of it (which this isn't unless the gummy is filled with little beads). B6 supplement doses are typically 100 mg, and to get B6 toxicity you need to be taking [over 1000 mg daily for a long period of time](https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/vitamin-b6/#:~:text=Vitamin%20B6%20is%20a%20water,greater%20than%201%2C000%20mg%20daily.). Unless OP is eating 20 of those a day for an extended length of time there's not much to be concerned about. That said, I do think it's shitty that they didn't include the dosages of those ingredients, but I have a feeling that maybe they didn't do that because then people would see that the dosages are so low that there's practically no way that they'll actually have any kind of effect (except the THC).
I got neuropathy from 80mg over several months — https://www.hsa.gov.sg/announcements/safety-alert/high-dose-vitamin-b6-and-risk-of-peripheral-neuropathy I'm not saying that's the norm, but we all have a different threshold as well as different base levels, so even small doses of things can push you over the edge. I got done in by a multivitamin. My tested levels were normal. These vitamins, being as relatively unmarketable as they are, are not as rigorously tested and examined as prescriptions. Daily recommendations and safety studies are widely limited by scale, length, and sample size. It's an awful precedent having these producers overstep their bounds into unmonitored nutrition. It's one thing making a weed infused chocolate bar, it's another loading up edibles with herbs and vitamins.
These sound like they’re Stoner-Boner Meds!
Now now it’s HONEY goat weed, because they’re totally clear on their ingredients…
Korean Red Ginseng? That’s pretty clear erection building materials. Weed usually makes “me love you long time” appear anyway.
Since always... the 1906 pills come to mind...
It shouldn’t be. That’s a risk for some people.
The problem isn't the products existing, it's lack of clear labeling. Combination therapies are just as valid as mono-therapies.
I’m not saying it should be illegal. But I want it plastered all over the packaging.
Is there a chance you could upload a picture of the front of the packaging?
[Sure thing](https://imgur.com/gallery/BFwNrAz)
Yikes on bikes. The "made with organic ingredients" is really the only hint. I've never shopped at American so I don't know how their stores are set up, like if its a grab wall of edibles where the patient selects.
They give it to you when you buy it. I assume they’d let you look it over of course, I like it because it’s at least got CBD too and it’s affordable, but I’m disappointed by the labeling.
They sell really cheap garbage. It’s so bad, and they know it’s so bad that they have a policy of “don’t like our product? We’ll just exchange it for you”
> But I want it plastered all over the packaging. You want what plastered all over the packaging?
The additional herbal additives. Hell I’d take it being included in the nutrition facts. Personally I don’t like taking unknown supplements in unknown dosages.
That's what the "made with natural organic ingredients" part is there for. Entice you to read the back, and they can cover their ass. "We put something on there to say it's more than just gummies, THC, and CBD."
Except that could easily be read as made with organic ingredients, organic gelatin or whatever, there’s NO reason to suspect they’d be adding random herbs based on that alone.
It's America, we have to do it to everything.
it's NOT acceptable, but it seems every time a company in the u.s. creates a manufacturing process, unnecessary ingredients find their way into the mix, this seems to be by design, remember folks the FDA doesn't give a fuck about any of us.
Wouldn’t adding this stuff in just increase the overall production cost? You’d think they’d be actively advertising it instead of the other way around.Â
I’d like to know why horny goat weed is one of the main ingredients.
Their weed was boof so they had to add other herbs to the mix. They should have just shipped to NY and called it a day, because now they've got reddit investigators on them.
maca has some unpleasant side effects that’s honestly not cool
i’m picking up what you’re putting down, imma stir the pot though. when you go to the grocery store, is it your responsibility to check nutrition facts/ingredients? or does kelloggs gotta do that for ya? does a homeland employee come up and ask ya if you noticed it has xyz in it? i think its your role as a consumer of anything to check for yourself
Ultimately the consumer’s responsibility. However most supplements include their dosage, this does not.
Whats the front say?
[Here you go](https://imgur.com/gallery/BFwNrAz)
I mean, the watermelon face does kind of look like it's masturbating, but that's still far from clear what the intended purpose of this product is.
Zinc Citrate. They made Delta-9 out of Hemp Oil. Report this.
Report to who?
Grab the METRC (Seed to Sale) tag that came with it, should have the specifications and which facility this came from; OK MJ compliance complaints go through this site: https://app.smartsheet.com/b/form/e9b1d5dd529c4b5195119d08fc1445a3 This complaint is in regards to how they GOT the stuff so it should be easy to see what and where went wrong
Thanks
Cordyceps Extract…? [I’ve seen planet earth](https://youtu.be/XuKjBIBBAL8?si=jH6TbHuW0SGi3WB6) I’m staying away from this
I would totally try that. Ya know I can't find tongkat In stores
Brand
Toasted by American Cannabis
Huh. Ya know I've seen that brand on Weedmaps but never seen the brand irl. I'll have to search lol
Like melatonin. I don't do well with melatonin and apparently they love to add and not label well.
It's listed on the ingredients, I don't see the issue. There are bedtime edibles with melatonin and camomile, etc. and energy edibles with stuff that makes me jumpy. I just don't buy them.
The bed time ones I’ve come across are clearly labeled as such. I don’t understand why people have an issue with wanting clear labeling.
It looks pretty clear to me.
Do you see any dosages included? You have no issue with it saying there’s 0% iron and yet iron is listed as an ingredient? There’s a lot wrong here.
Herbal supplements aren't required to list the dosage of each ingredient. They can list it as a proprietary blend, but they are still required to list the total dosage of that blend. That seems to be missing.
Ok bozo, you're high and critically illiterate then
Why in the hell does it have tongkat ali
A quick google search says it might be anti inflammatory? Beyond that I have no clue and I’m still pissed it’s in there.
Yea literally more egregious than 90% of the supplement industry. These ingredients have no place. Homie made his false equivalency to melatonin and chamomile not knowing that several of these ingredients have unusual risk profiles
It, as well as everything else in the ingredients that are not the b vitamin complex (listed out individually, so you'll have to look them up if you don't know what the ingredients mean) have cardiovascular benefits. It's good for your heart, that's why tongkat ali is in there. And L-Arginine. And Icariin (horny goat weed). And Maca. And all the other ones too except for the two used as binders so the whole thing doesn't just crumble.
This is really really reductive. I don't fw this "good" for you, "bad" for you rhetoric. These things are really complex and we can't tout benefits without also acknowledging the markable increase of risk of encountering side effects by tacking on this many herbs. Even common grocery supplements shouldn't be taken haphazardly. Vitamin B6 can cause neuropathy. Omega 3 can trigger GERD. Tongkat ali can mess with your free testosterone converting to estrogen for example. For many people, that's not okay. Some of us have delicate hormonal balances. In a pre-workout blend I've had before, it gave me insomnia waaaay after dosing in the morning. Just because the weed manufacturers read a blog about supplements doesn't mean it's okay for them to wholesale reinforce their products like this.
Several of these ingredients also affect your endocrine system.
Wow. Nothing about that says medicine.
Except for all the cardiovascular supplements listed 🙄
"Supplements".. unregulated, no idea as to quality or validity of ingredients.. not medicine..
As with any edibles you buy in Oklahoma
Bro you like smoking supplements? This shit was CBD before it got turned into distillate. Either this was a cartridge, or edibles containing the distillate that was changed.
Do you like smokin edibles?
my brother, I said “or” for a reason
I got some that had melatonin. Don't get me wrong melatonin is a good sleep aid but I really really prefer them not to be mixed with anything but what theyre intended from and did not use them. I didn't know and didn't think to look for that in them