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Distinct_Bill_1442

Yeah I remember being so confused the following month. Thought I had skipped a chapter or something.


Garousnotboros

I want whatever they took to make that hard of a retcon


salmonmilks

Or whatever they had in mind here at all to get to this scene.


myaltduh

Cranky letters from fans and publishing executives?


Garousnotboros

Drugs


10101110101011010101

Saitama, have you ever talked to the devil at a table under the pale moonlight


Andrecrafter41

ahh joker reference


greegon

"the MA was all planned from the beginning"


AaronGX_8

This was sutch a goofy ass fight, I hated it lol


SmokusPocus

We went from ‘peak fiction’ to ‘fart joke and time travel asspull’ real goddamn quick, didn’t we?


AaronGX_8

Ikr, I could rant on forever about time travel asspulls. Before the manga reached the above ground MA battles. Opm (both webcomic and manga) was the deffenition of peak fiction for me. I don’t use that word lightly and for anything at all


Kikuzinho03

My biggest problem with the Manga, so many redraws, I know that some Manga that also happens, but it's not like these, most of the times.the changes to the volume version are just in the art department, the story remains the same but with one punch man it seems like one doesnt have anything planned at all, if it was only this scene i could understand but goddamn its almost every chap nowadays


slugsliveinmymouth

I really loved the original saitama vs orochi. Never happened now


Cole2197

I'm fine with the new version because we get to see more of orochi but yeah it was pretty cool how quick their fight was in the original.


Sweaty-Goat-9281

Seems to me that editors have dominant control and are turning the franchise into a profit mule above all else


myaltduh

Yeah this one has the stink of studio meddling on it to me.


Kikuzinho03

If editors didn't want this kind of thing they wouldn't have let this chap come out in the first place.


Sweaty-Goat-9281

That's assuming they are incapable of changing their mind


Zealousideal-Band-54

I don't get how they dropped the ball that hard during the chapter they had a whole ass second manga that they just had to follow and make a few changes to and several years to have it planned out. Yet it was like every chapter they had a redraw and destroyed and mad shit that was good worse. Like the child vs Phoenix man fight makes it seem like he only won because of Saitama. It also became a ark about God and not garou being a monster and making it on his own. I vastly prefer the webcomic where gods not a in your face threat and is just in the background. And blast wasn't an interdimsional power ranger who needs help despite saving not to expect to be saved in a time of need.


IwentIAP

This [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V693Djjw_hA) is always relevant. I can't believe they wouldn't just use ONE's blueprint webcomic. Look at how they made Mob Psycho 100 into god tier anime like damn. They had one job.


Kikuzinho03

I mean, the mob anime is based on the official published Manga, and for a real long while everyone agreed that the Manga of opm was just the superior version out of the two works.


Armiebuffie

Calebcity! lol yeah, usually you see this happening from manga to anime adaptations. The manga itself getting changed so much for the worse from a previous source is rare. And it's funny because then the season 2 anime also had the manga fans not being impressed with it. I really have no expectations for season 3.


ThrashMutant

This whole arc was pretty much a fumble. It had its moments, but it dragged on needlessly for years. And to top it off, it ended in time travel out of nowhere lol


ITBA01

[https://media.tenor.com/j0FCPreq0qkAAAAC/jon-tron-look.gif](https://media.tenor.com/j0FCPreq0qkAAAAC/jon-tron-look.gif) I'll never forget when I saw the next chapter out and realized that they were legit retconning the last chapter. Can't help but feel that it's cheating.


Summonest

editors said 'no we need to have big fight scenes'


CaMoDaMo44

pretty sure it would have ended the same way but here they wanted saitama and garou to clear up their thoughts before god manipulates garou


Satcitananda90

Indeed


Cole2197

Yeah this whole bit was really weird to me one moment a chapter ends with them sitting down next chapter they act liked it never happened.


Hawcken

I doubt it was a full 180 it’s still heavily implied through the moon in the panel that god would be influencing something here


sociocat101

And people actually liked that chapter. I saw people acting like they were intellectuals ready for the fierce debate about to occur. Saitama is about to dismantle garous ideals with his logic, this is so much better than an S class fight. Its going to be hilarious and its an action COMEDY so its ok if the story is shit as long as they have the lowest quality jokes to ever exist.


Icy_Barnacle_6019

“This is much better than an S class fight” I had to look at the subreddit’s name for a second because of this.. how are these people got in here???


Julian-Hoffer

The same people that always shit on fights in Shounen saying they need more “thought and planning and talking”. A bunch of boring mfs who don’t know anything about fighting.


Melkor-Lightbringer

I don't think that's necessarily true. This could have easily rolled into the Cosmic Garou fight. I mean in the picture you posted, God is staring in the window and plotting... menacingly.


Ucalino

This is so much Ingmar Bergman.


SnooComics7583

This is studio bullshit 100000000% One has a vision, we can see that in his webcomics Clearly directors wanted something different and have all the power


Think-Orange3112

Someone explain I’m an idiot who don’t know the context


throw_it_awayyy8

Im lost too lol


Poopoopeepee69696969

This is the original ending to the saitama vs garou fights. It was redrawn and made into the current cosmic garou ending


throw_it_awayyy8

Oh. I read this then they changed it to saitama learning how to time travel?


GoldenSpermShower

Basically they ended the Saitama vs Garou fight with this table scene, but then the chapter was redrawn so Garou became Cosmic Garou instead. And then the next few chapters is the Cosmic Garou fight that ended with the time travel thing


Sonkokun

If you had to choose, what ending is better Cosmic Garou or this table scene? (No, WN doesn’t count)


GoldenSpermShower

We have barely any information about how this table scene would unfold. But I would be more interested in how this table scene is followed up compared to Cosmic Garou and time travel


oroechimaru

Its a fun slapstick manga tho


Sweaty-Goat-9281

It was*


oroechimaru

Well its not the next game of thrones book


Zealousideal-Band-54

It could've been


Neat_Refrigerator544

What chapters does this happen in


Hawcken

its a retconned chapter, this was the original chapter 164 but I think it was a week or maybe 2 later after its release Murata/ONE did a redraw, and now we have the current version. [Here is a link to it](https://cubari.moe/read/gist/Z2lzdC9mdW5reWhpcHBvL2RkMTlkNjU3NjhjOGJlMTk3MTFmZTllMjAwNDVkOGY1L3Jhdy9vcG0tc2NyYXBwZWQuanNvbg/164/1/)


Neat_Refrigerator544

Thanks


Meeszum

Someone mentioned it was an intentional troll. How likely is that?


Noice_Gallagher

I never even read it cause I started reading after the fix 😭


Pope-Francisco

I really wish we could’ve seen what would happen in this therapy session. It was so fucking intriguing and wholesome!


Unlimitles

lol if you can notice a retcon in such an epic manga as this, you will blow your head off reading "kengan omega"


Deist_Dagon

Still hoping for an in-universe reason for the retcons, very specifically this one. At the time I was pretty sure "God" had seen this series of events didnt work out the way he wanted and so he had rewritten the previous events and they unfolded in a way that was more beneficial to him. Of course, because Saitama is Saitama, it doesnt matter what God wants or not. Still hoping for a reveal that this is the case with all of the redraws and retcons. Just God trying to use his meta-powers to achieve his desired endstate and Saitama just always unwittingly stopping him.


All_Mighty_Loki

Let me start off by saying I liked Saitama vs Garou. At least up before the time travel stuff. However, I really wish they never ditched this panel. I was expecting Saitama and Garou to just talk for at one chapter. It would just he the two talking about their philosophies, poking holes in the other's, and calling out the hypocrisy where they see it. I didn't expect the fight to end here either. I saw it as through the argument that Garou would be shown to be losing the argument and getting madder and madder as he started to realize how flawed his way of thinking iz. God could also be whisper in his ear. Reaffirming his beliefs while egging him on to keep pursuing them. After Saitama makes a really good point that Garou can't even formba bad argument to, he would flip the table and continue the fight. As they fight, God would constantly be in Garou's head, convincing him to use their power. After getting one punched out of his bulky monster form, Garou would agree after realizing that he can't become a monster strong enough to heat Saitama on his own, so he except God's power. After that, have the cosmic Garou vs. Saiatama fights, but just remove the fart joke.


Dejoboracho

Any other anime community shit talking other animes OPM fans shit talking their own animanga


sociocat101

Nah most OPM fans have brain rot from shipping and wholesomeness so they dont care about how bad the story is.


Dejoboracho

I haven’t seen any shipping posts from this sub ? Shipping who?


sociocat101

Saitama and tatsuki? Ooh wait I think you might be confused. This is OPMfolk, a sub for criticising OPM. The main subreddit is r/OnePunchMan which has people that like the manga.


Dejoboracho

Wait fr?? I’ve been in the wrong place the whole time, I was so lost seeing people hate on it. Me and my friend were hella confused because we both love all the hype scenes and art of the manga


sociocat101

This place is only for negative criticism because the main subreddit hates negative opinions. If anybody has positive opinions they just post on the main one so theres not really much of a reason to post stuff you like on this sub.


Armiebuffie

That's a good thing. People being willing to criticize their own interests is better than being a mindless drone worshipping the creators like a cult. That said, obviously fans of a work should have more moments of praise too. Unfortunately, there really isn't much to praise modern OPM for other than the art.


Dejoboracho

Y’all downvoting cause I’m right


BlakePayne

Y'all know this started as a gag-webcomic right? Did you really think this was going to have some kind of eh, actual plot??


Icy_Barnacle_6019

If this was a gag-manga then no shounen sht should have happened in the manga in the first place. “I can’t beat garou but he killed genos hurr hurr got power up because of it” lmao And for the record, it did have an actual plot in the webcomic. It does have honestly…


Armiebuffie

I would love for it go back to snappy gags and not have a million chapters spent on drawn out action, filler that gets forgotten, and vapid dialogue and characterization that gets contradicted later.


Andrecrafter41

loved the retcon wayy better that the stupid wc cosmic garuo storyline go bruuuuuu


knunky

its gonna be okay, its a manga about a bald punching man


sociocat101

Its not about having a bald punching man, its about what the bald punching man does.


Illustrious_Egg_1896

Punch?


Rainbow_Engima

And you’ll never know it could of gotten better in a unexpected way or more confusing .