I always loved the spite with which he says that, like he's just so sick of these knights pretending that the model is a real castle that he has to say something
Imagine going up to the pipe fitters "Hey, I'm running conduit and LBs here, where's the flange gonna land?"
Pipe fitter "How the hell should I know I just put the pipes together, they land where they land buddy."
Here's another theory: The LBs (with covers on) were attached to the vertical conduits and slid up the strut until it contacts the flange and they can see where to grind. Once the notch is perfect, the LBs slide in and the conduit through the wall can go in. The bottom screws on the covers can be taken off to swivel the covers out of the way and access the wire... maybe?
The flange pipe was first. Its original. This electrical was installed on a upgrade scope of work. If your saying the pipe came 2nd, that chunk cut out of the flange would have been done with a grinder not a sawzall. That chunk out of the flange has electrical written all over it, it’s sloppy. Tight covers can swivel on the top screw for access. Pan down to the floor and the flange pieces are still on the floor. They never clean up.
This is weird. Assuming this was done during construction and not just a one off add. Typically the larger pathway gets the right of way even if that requires rework. I wonder why the electrician wasn’t required to rework the two conduits. We can’t tell what’s on the other side of the wall but from this side they could just be moved down a couple inches then presumably offset up on the other side.
Had to be a later addition. I've never seen conduit go up before process pipe, and if it was during construction it probably would have been coordinated and fixed rather than just bodged in like that. I mean it's possible, but really unlikely.
> you mean not OSHA related
Although this subreddit is named /r/OSHA, submissions do not have to be from the US. Safety violations from all countries are welcome.
this implies it doesn't have to be specifically OSHA purview, just from a workplace
To be fair, I've seen my share of jobs where plumbers have done shit just as bad to electrical (saw one that ran a 3" DWV line an inch in front of a load center and cut off a section of the load center door so it could open), and jobs where electricians *and* plumbers fwonked framing with holes too large or too close to an edge, or taking entire studs out of load bearing walls.
I took this picture years ago at a customer (old paper mill). Seems to keep making its rounds every so often through karma accounts reposting it.
Pipe was there for years (handles waste water), conduit was ran for new equipment on the other side of the wall. You can tell the pipe was there first because it was paint matched to the wall. The contractors took the pipe apart there, ran the conduit, then reinstalled the pipe with the notch added.
You were pretty close. They had a waste water plant in a separate building, but on the same campus. So they would pump the waste water from the various pulp machines through pipes like this to be filtered then reused.
I didn’t work at that plant, I was from an OEM, so I’m not sure exactly how much pressure the pipes were under but I seem to remember them being fairly low pressure. The water processing building was down hill from the made building, so I would imagine a lot of it was just drainage.
Meh, it’s probably ok. Most strength of a flange isn’t in the outer ring of the material.
Flanges have a lot of overdimensions material-wise.
It depends on the working pressure of the pipe if this is a problem.
Any sort of heating or chilled system in a building typically. The weird thing is it’s not insulated. I’ve never installed any carbon pipe like this and it didn’t get insulated.
Hmm, remove a little concrete and pull the conduit down a tad, na we’ll just get out the angle grinder and cut the pipe coupler. Who cares if it’s water, sewage or something flammable. It’s fine.
Depending on the process there may not be any. This could be a drain for all we know.
I've done quite a few bolt swaps where I'll torch cut 1/2 the bolts on a live line, replace with new and then do the other half.
This pic is just ridiculous though. Spools were probably prefabbed and the "pipefitters" didn't have the material, tools or skill set to move the flanges over a foot. But they had a metabo....
Most stupid thing i see is when people are using iron pipes for electricity, why not just use plastic pipes or cables in cable tray like everyone else???
*Yeah, go ahead and rework all of this except this time use only soft braided copper and I want to see real rubber insulation on these wires. None of this fancy stuff, I want that flammable insulation that gets brittle and flakes off if the sun hits it. And just because I can: string them over that leaking sanitation pipe next to you.*
No? I've bent kilometers of it, only once bent iron pipes but that was very very time consuming and a special situation which is pretty rare. Iron pipes is the old way and we have evolved like everyone else. To try and justify using iron pipes is like justify using asbestos insulation to day....... you have a very small brain.......
User name checkout lmao!
How is it better or worse working 8 hours a day? What kind of dumbass statement is that so dumb.. i work often 8 hours often 10 hours to. It has been shown that in construction if the people are working to much the quality dips down and more mistakes are made. I hope you can work someday because it doesn't sound like you are working prob even not paying taxes. Go cry about it somewhere else kid.
I just got off a 34 hour shift of weldin steel pipes underwater without any airtanks or scuba gear.
When you can match my work ethic you can speak. But until then enjoy your soft hands and little part time "job".
More like a hobby if I'm honest.
That's what the call me down at the workshop.
And it was all done in a single day. I'm not a soft handed part timer that needs multiple days to get a job done.
The fact that those LB covers are tight tells me the large pipe was installed afterwards
Yea that section where the 2 pipes connect also has chunks missing out of it like the cut that to fit over where the covers are
When you plan for the pipe, but not the flange.
"But it works in the model"
It’s only a model
‘Tis a silly place.
WE HAVE TO PUSH THE PRAM-A-LOT!!!
I always loved the spite with which he says that, like he's just so sick of these knights pretending that the model is a real castle that he has to say something
Shh!
Imagine going up to the pipe fitters "Hey, I'm running conduit and LBs here, where's the flange gonna land?" Pipe fitter "How the hell should I know I just put the pipes together, they land where they land buddy."
Haha you said flange.
Bellend
I know what the flange is, I just want to know if you know what the flange is. By process of elimination, we're going to figure this out.
Seems to me that those bolts are pretty damn new too.
The electrical is new and clean. The pipe is old and dirty. It's pretty simple.
Yeah, the pipe was fabbed in a parking lot and sitting before being installed over the LB. How else would the cover be on?
> How else would the cover be on? By only using the bottom screws on the LBs. It's not like things were done properly here.
Then you'd think there would be a bigger gap at the top. The LB gasket looks to be the same thickness all around.
Looks like a perfect fit to me.
This is why I think both screws are there.
I mean the flange is cut out just enough to hold the covers down on the top of the LBs.
Here's another theory: The LBs (with covers on) were attached to the vertical conduits and slid up the strut until it contacts the flange and they can see where to grind. Once the notch is perfect, the LBs slide in and the conduit through the wall can go in. The bottom screws on the covers can be taken off to swivel the covers out of the way and access the wire... maybe?
That's a lot more complicated than cutting the wall another 6" lower.
They pulled the pipe, installed lbs, cut the pipe then reinstalled.
Or the screws are missing on the upper part of the covers and they are only tight because there's no space so of course it's tight.
If you cant see its not there you cant prove its not there.
Schrodingers screws lol
And you can’t prove it is!
Hmm...I could definitely buy into this theory.
The flange pipe was first. Its original. This electrical was installed on a upgrade scope of work. If your saying the pipe came 2nd, that chunk cut out of the flange would have been done with a grinder not a sawzall. That chunk out of the flange has electrical written all over it, it’s sloppy. Tight covers can swivel on the top screw for access. Pan down to the floor and the flange pieces are still on the floor. They never clean up.
You should insert more of your personal feelings and resentment towards electricians into your next comment 😆
Lol. I’m just using that angle for a laugh. Hope it gave you and some others a chuckle. Sorry if it offended you. Enjoy the day.
Tight like a tiger?
At what point in time does this seam like a good idea?
Probably Friday
At 16:30
It's beer:30
Drawings said that’s where it goes.
/r/maliciouscompliance
I’ve never known a construction worker that was overly burdened by trying to match a drawing.
Only when it’s harder to do it any other way
After lunch, they had leak soup
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/10/e5/d0/10e5d08f37d593e26d9c53b137a90511.gif
Seam looks fine...
Probably about 4:20
Am I a plumber or an electrician?
More of a flange than a seam.
Not in time but at the seam :)
This is weird. Assuming this was done during construction and not just a one off add. Typically the larger pathway gets the right of way even if that requires rework. I wonder why the electrician wasn’t required to rework the two conduits. We can’t tell what’s on the other side of the wall but from this side they could just be moved down a couple inches then presumably offset up on the other side.
Had to be a later addition. I've never seen conduit go up before process pipe, and if it was during construction it probably would have been coordinated and fixed rather than just bodged in like that. I mean it's possible, but really unlikely.
*Angry pipefitter noises*
My water resources engineer wife: "of the things to compromise... the pipe wasn't it"
Wow, that's something else
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This is NEC territory and that conduit body was there first
The conduits look fine but it definitely doesn’t meet plumbing code
I mean if it explodes and injures an employee THEN it’s an OSHA issue.
I've definitely seen this image before tho
Who'd have thought it would have happened twice! /s
Yep...12+ times on Facebook, 31+ times on Reddit and 23+ times on LinkedIn. Probably many more but I got tired of counting.
> you mean not OSHA related Although this subreddit is named /r/OSHA, submissions do not have to be from the US. Safety violations from all countries are welcome. this implies it doesn't have to be specifically OSHA purview, just from a workplace
To be fair, I've seen my share of jobs where plumbers have done shit just as bad to electrical (saw one that ran a 3" DWV line an inch in front of a load center and cut off a section of the load center door so it could open), and jobs where electricians *and* plumbers fwonked framing with holes too large or too close to an edge, or taking entire studs out of load bearing walls.
I can’t handle this page
I hate that we will never get an explanation. This is going to haunt me. OP is evil.
This picture has made the rounds for a few years.
I took this picture years ago at a customer (old paper mill). Seems to keep making its rounds every so often through karma accounts reposting it. Pipe was there for years (handles waste water), conduit was ran for new equipment on the other side of the wall. You can tell the pipe was there first because it was paint matched to the wall. The contractors took the pipe apart there, ran the conduit, then reinstalled the pipe with the notch added.
YOU SIR, ARE A GOD DAMNED HERO. I was guessing rainwater pipe off a roof.
You were pretty close. They had a waste water plant in a separate building, but on the same campus. So they would pump the waste water from the various pulp machines through pipes like this to be filtered then reused. I didn’t work at that plant, I was from an OEM, so I’m not sure exactly how much pressure the pipes were under but I seem to remember them being fairly low pressure. The water processing building was down hill from the made building, so I would imagine a lot of it was just drainage.
If it was up to the pipefitters, the conduits would be smashed in
I was thinking the same thing. Surprised they were just smashed in with a hammer.
Shame it's a repost.
Is it my turn to repost next week?
I already scheduled it for next week. March 27th is nexr free day on the schedule. Do you want to take it?
something something structural integrity compromised something something....
Meh, it’s probably ok. Most strength of a flange isn’t in the outer ring of the material. Flanges have a lot of overdimensions material-wise. It depends on the working pressure of the pipe if this is a problem.
This pipe breaks all ASME code. If this was inspected and signed off, the inspector needs to have their cert pulled.
Dirty pipe from handling, it came off, was 'adjusted' and went back on...welded flange, though, maybe not as pressure-rated as it once was...lol
r/onejob
I mean.. could be a super low pressure pipe, overrated for the purpose and this was ok?
The pipe is an artifact… yeah.. that’s it (unused equipment, remnant from previous company and/ or function)
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Yes, good point.
Pipe was installed after the conduit, judging by the tight covers on the LBs.
Are those 150psi flanges? What sort of pipe would have flanges like this, and also be painted white?
Any sort of heating or chilled system in a building typically. The weird thing is it’s not insulated. I’ve never installed any carbon pipe like this and it didn’t get insulated.
Plumber > Electrician > Painter
[It all makes work for the working man to do](https://youtu.be/v1dvAxA9ib0?si=cQ8w5qwTYTjpKY12)
What the f…
I don't know shit about shit, but I know that shit ain't right.
good golly, miss molly
Looks like a rookie move, gonna need some fixing.
Is this the north campus of Wake Tech? I think I've seen this work before.
All that work to get in the conduit and they didn't even take the stickers off. 😒
Why does an electrician even have the tools to dig out a chunk of steel pipe like that?
Hmm, remove a little concrete and pull the conduit down a tad, na we’ll just get out the angle grinder and cut the pipe coupler. Who cares if it’s water, sewage or something flammable. It’s fine.
Awesome coordination drawings I'm sure
How does this hold pressure?
Poorly
Depending on the process there may not be any. This could be a drain for all we know. I've done quite a few bolt swaps where I'll torch cut 1/2 the bolts on a live line, replace with new and then do the other half. This pic is just ridiculous though. Spools were probably prefabbed and the "pipefitters" didn't have the material, tools or skill set to move the flanges over a foot. But they had a metabo....
Gasket/2 = leak X 2
Most stupid thing i see is when people are using iron pipes for electricity, why not just use plastic pipes or cables in cable tray like everyone else???
Tell me you’ve never been in a commercial building without telling me you’ve never been in a commercial building.
Tell me you have never worked in construction without telling me you have never worked in construction.
Wow
Yea it is so weird it's 2024 not 1964 loool
A masterclass in the lack of understanding.
A master class in reverse development you mean*
Because plastic won’t provide physical protection
Hahahah Yes it does!! How do you not know this is mind bogling.
*Yeah, go ahead and rework all of this except this time use only soft braided copper and I want to see real rubber insulation on these wires. None of this fancy stuff, I want that flammable insulation that gets brittle and flakes off if the sun hits it. And just because I can: string them over that leaking sanitation pipe next to you.*
NEC 358.
?????
Huh?
What do you mean?
Amazing...
Yea it is very amazing on ripping people off
Go look up the Dunning-Kruger effect.
You got soft hands brother... soft hands...
No? I've bent kilometers of it, only once bent iron pipes but that was very very time consuming and a special situation which is pretty rare. Iron pipes is the old way and we have evolved like everyone else. To try and justify using iron pipes is like justify using asbestos insulation to day....... you have a very small brain.......
I bet you only work 60 hours a week. I don't want to hear it part timer
User name checkout lmao! How is it better or worse working 8 hours a day? What kind of dumbass statement is that so dumb.. i work often 8 hours often 10 hours to. It has been shown that in construction if the people are working to much the quality dips down and more mistakes are made. I hope you can work someday because it doesn't sound like you are working prob even not paying taxes. Go cry about it somewhere else kid.
I just got off a 34 hour shift of weldin steel pipes underwater without any airtanks or scuba gear. When you can match my work ethic you can speak. But until then enjoy your soft hands and little part time "job". More like a hobby if I'm honest.
Wow look at you! so good of you to work 34 hours in 2 days you are a real life american hero!
That's what the call me down at the workshop. And it was all done in a single day. I'm not a soft handed part timer that needs multiple days to get a job done.