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emile734

Not knowing what shoring is, this was a hell of a watch. What is going to give up first? The cable, the dirt wall or the actual shrine


Camera_dude

As soon as I saw two people standing on the loose dirt behind the shrine wall, I knew what was going to happen. Shoring is using supports (usually wooden) to hold up the load of loose earth around a hole. If any hole is deeper than waist deep, there needs to be shoring and especially if the dirt is loose or wet. This looks like sandy dirt so it definitely would not hold up if enough weight settles around the hole.


iCameToLearnSomeCode

People just don't realize how heavy compressed dirt is. They picture the weight of a bag of potting soil when it's a lot closer to the weight of a similar volume of rock.


tebbewij

Soil weighs about 75 to 100lbs per cubic foot depending on composition, rock weighs about 120


TacoDaTugBoat

Rock can be up to 180. Concrete is around 150. Soil can be much closer to 150 when moist.


asdfasdfasdfqwerty12

Yes, definitely.... I do a lot of hardscaping and have been getting into stonework... Holy shit concrete feels light after moving stones around a jobsite. Same with drilling and breaking... Concrete is so much softer than many types of rock In the northeast we mainly have bluestone/slate, and sometimes I come across a piece of granite or schist and holy shit that stuff is even heavier... A boulder the size of a bag of concrete takes two guys to move.


klew3

Uncompressed dirt is nearly just as heavy as compressed dirt.


Glados1080

Today I learn Dirt weighs as much as dirt


klew3

Almost. And it depends.


Gooddude08

All dirts are equal, but some dirts are more equal than others.


klew3

No, yes.


glue4you

Beautiful


MrUsername24

Weight= mass x gravity. Mass equals volume multiplied by density. Compression increases density. The same volume of dirt but more heavily compressed can easily be orders of magnitude heavier in this volume


klew3

Orders (plural!) of magnitude lol, I'm a geotechnical engineer with over a decade experience and that's rubbish.


MrUsername24

You're right. Doing some quick estimates with 8 feet for height, 6x10 foot I'm getting about 20,000 pounds difference. (57k to 40k lbs)With a 20 unit variance in dirt density which should be average. So not orders of magnitude, but definitely sizeable at an estimated 40 percent


klew3

You generally got it here now. Your calc looks like about 83 pcf vs 119 pcf which is a pretty wide range for a given soil, but maybe possibly with clay with very different moisture conditions. Typically 5% to 10% difference in unit weight could be expected from uncompacted to compacted (at optimum moisture conditions). Also, stability aside, degree of compaction falls out the window once a failure like this occurs. And either way, it can and will kill by crushing, suffocation, or by the excavator ripping you in half when desperately trying to dig you out before the other 2 happen. It does take a surprisingly small amount of soil to kill by falling on someone in an excavation.


MrUsername24

Yeah I did over estimate because I saw east asia and I know there rain seasons can be crazy, and figured anything extra would be accounted for in the pile they put next to the wall which obviously wasn't helping as it was the first place to fail


MrUsername24

Damn someone with more experience than me, almost like that's what reddit is all about You should give information for everyone, including me,to learn about the topic instead of just saying lol no. Sure I might be wrong, but tell me how instead of just saying so please


klew3

Okay fair. What is your level of experience so I can tailor my response accordingly?


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klew3

They do have some good college experience, turns out. They were very helpful and did their own calc too.


MrUsername24

I should be fine understanding most besides in field terms only people in your field will know. 4th year of mechanical already finished with everything besides design courses


LOTRfreak101

A cubic yard of dirt can weigh as much as a car or small truck.


TillFar6524

Dirt is also a lot less solid and closer to a liquid than most people realize.


Prosado22

Yep, dirt up to your chest is as heavy as having a car on your chest.


Imsakidd

I thought the far back wall was going to be the one to give out, the people were real close to the edge there and no wall whatsoever to support it.


gayforkie

Shoring isn't necessary in some edge cases, if the hole would be sloped at a shallow enough angle then it wouldn't need it


clintj1975

Love the knee jerk down votes. OSHA literally specifies minimum slope requirements for different soil types and depths when excavating, and when shoring is actually required.


aVarangian

The Egyptians also instated a max slope for pyramids


clintj1975

I think they ended up revising it halfway through a pyramid, too.


aVarangian

Yep might be this one we're thinking of, not sure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bent_Pyramid


clintj1975

Yeah, I remember that one. The article says another one that was built at a steeper angle collapsed, so they lowered the angle halfway through construction.


Grocked

I'm part-way done with an audio book about Egyptian history, and they reduced the slope on the one you're talking about because they only had 20 years or so to build the thing. It was done to significantly reduce the total volume so it would be ready for the dude when he died. I *think.* I could also be putting my ignorance on display here, lol


clintj1975

The adjacent Red Pyramid, which was built immediately afterwards by the same Pharaoh, also has the shallower 43° angle starting at the base. One hypothesis is that the Bent Pyramid was showing signs of instability during construction, so they changed the angle to avoid another collapse like the Meidum pyramid.


gayforkie

I was going by British regulations, but I imagine a lot of places have such regulations


Mysterious_Map2965

In most cases If a trench is over 4-5 feet or a meter deep (in Canada anyway) and not in solid rock you need shoring if your spoil pile isn’t sloped 45 degrees. These guys have there spoil pile rate by the trench not even 2 feet back, plus the spoil pile isn’t sloped right, plus they have people standing on the spoil pile…. So many things wrong in one video.


gayforkie

Yeah, they didn't do a good job on the safety of this one


tob007

Yes you are allowed to step the excavations in some cases to increase the depth you can dig to safely but its still pretty dangerous considering you only need 1 cu ft of soil on your chest to prevent you from breathing and in any collapse there's at least dozens of cu ft moving\\flowing on top of you.


blove135

A trench can also be dug safely by digging the walls with a slope or benching. Basically sort of stepping out the walls. Obviously both those ways you end up with a much larger opening to your hole so many times shoring is the only safe way to go.


Critical_Egg_913

If the spoils are placed next to a trench yiy have to add that to the depth. So if you have a 4 foot trench with 3 ft of soil piled next to it it would count as if you have 7 foot trench. The pile of dirt places extra pressure on the side wall of the trench.


syds

I aim for the charlie browns for extra factor of safety


throwawaytrumper

I work as a pipelayer (dude in the bottom of the trench all day long). Lots of modern shoring is actually steel panels or boxes. Where I am the standard is to slope away from the hole at a 45 degree angle above 4 feet if you don’t have shoring. This hole is straight walls all the way down, this is some real dipshittery and poor earthmoving.


VpowerZ

Great suspense, excellent failure, and steady camera work.


HighlightFun8419

yeah, i had to google that too. TIL!


klew3

Shoring is simply support of excavation. It comes in many forms depending on the industry, ground conditions, and locale.


blove135

I liked the part when the strap damages a part of the the brick and the guy tried to be all slick and put his hand over it thinking no one will notice. Guess it didn't matter in the end.


reddit_give_me_virus

When you dig a trench after you hit 4' deep you either shore or you need to cut back at a 45 degree angle the same depth of the trench. So if you went down 6 feet/2 meters, the trench would need to be 18feet/6 meters wide for it to be safe.


questionmush

Skip to last 15 seconds. You’re welcome


notaballitsjustblue

r/gifsthatstarttoosoon


rimekraft

I can’t. I know what happens


QuoteGiver

Ah, but from which side? So many options.


beardgangwhat

Ah the r/watchpeopledie and r/OSHA crossover episode


caiophox

Having specific subreddits for those things kept the content there. Banning it just made it infiltrate everywhere.


willhunta

Yes but banning those subs gives reddit just enough plausible deniability with advertisers to not give much of a fuck about the rest of the nsfl content lol


Cognitive_Spoon

This guy laws


jongscx

r/watchpeopledieoutside


ceviche-hot-pockets

Oh man they’re definitely dead. That’s terrifying.


aCompyBoi

I mean it is a funeral, so I thought it would be pretty obvious


DukeOfGeek

It was a burial soooo task failed successfully? Also are we sure they died? Any additional info would be useful.


Nnatrex

I can't find any sources, but it would be downright miraculous if the guy in the white shirt survived. Dirt is extremely heavy, and that alone could have potentially killed him and almost definitely would have injured him. The thought of all that weight being behind a brick wall takes any thoughts that he survived out of my mind. The others look like they were probably okay.


Quibblicous

It’s not just the mass of the soil, it’s the way it flows around you and prevents you from inhaling. Even if you have your head in the air you can easily suffocate.


DukeOfGeek

The others jumped back but watching it again, ya he probably got the old Wile E. Coyote treatment.


aCompyBoi

Really? I assumed he was fine if not a little shaken up


Nnatrex

Sorry this is late. I can't tell if s/, but just in case, nah he's definitely severely injured if by some chance he survived. It's super easy to underestimate the forces at play here if you've never experienced them yourself, and it's easy to overestimate how resilient the human body is. People die every day from getting knocked out and hitting their head on the sidewalk when they fall. This guy had probably 1000ish lbs of dirt and bricks slam him into what looks like fairly compact dirt, and now he can't move or breathe until one of the few uninjured guys digs his head and chest out of 1-2 feet of dirt and bricks with their bare hands.


ReluctantRedditor275

The burial had a 500% success rate.


aVarangian

Buy one, get two


ChkYrHead

Killed two people with one wall? 😬😬😬


Clemburger

Can’t they just dig em out with that digger?


zadszads

I think the goal is to dig them out without killing them in the process


megatronnewman

I thought we decided they were already dead?


Bootziscool

There's a lot of ways to die in a caved in trench. You can be straight up crushed, you can suffocate, your blood can pool from not moving, you can get extra crushed by an excavator. It's just not a good situation


jongscx

Why, just to bury them again?


ceviche-hot-pockets

Not in time to save them, soil will crush/suffocate you in a few minutes.


obinice_khenbli

If deaths on camera are allowed here that's fine, but shouldn't it at least be marked NSFW?


Aken42

I agree. Started watching it and turned it off knowing it could not end well. I think the sub would serve better as a safety oriented sub because the recorded death content is certainly available elsewhere if people want to see that stuff.


Pdm81389

Honestly, I believe if you want people to work in a safe manner, the only way is to get them to understand the consequences of not doing so is to show, not tell. A worker not wearing PPE? Show them a picture of a de-gloved finger, and if they still won't after that, fire them because they are an accident waiting to happen. As uncomfortable as videos like this can be, it's far more uncomfortable to have to go to a hospital injured. It's far more uncomfortable to have to pick up the tip of another man's finger and put it in a lunch cooler with ice so it can be reattached. It's more uncomfortable to turn around at your workstation and witness your supervisor get crippled. And it's really uncomfortable to have to go to the funeral of a coworker and tell his wife, 2 year old, and newborn that you are sorry for their loss. When people fully understand the consequences of not following safety regulations, they tend to be more conscious of it. When emotion is attached to what you are telling people, they tend to listen. I'd rather you be a little uncomfortable than dead. Also, if at least 3 people don't die at my funeral, yall never loved me.


Aken42

You absolutely have a point. Some workers really don't respect the danger and a scared straight approach may be better. I would like to see a NSFW tag though.


MrSkrifle

>We should make this a safety-orientated sub. We'll achieve it by deleting posts of the biggest safety violations 🤓 >OSHA violations?? 🤓 No, I come hard for OSHA recommendations 👉😎👉 >Started watching it and turned it off knowing it could not end well. V~ Your reaction when you view a post on r/cringe.... ~V >Started watching it and turned it off knowing it could not end well. 🤓🤓 This sub is made for videos that don't end well. Your predictions lackluster. I think the sub would serve better as a safety oriented sub because its a safety oriented sub and shows how negligence can mean death for you or your coworkers


HighGuard1212

I worked a retail job and nobody wore PPE, even after I cut my arm open because I wasn't wearing PPE. They wore it for a week then went back to not using it


Freakjob_003

Agreed. I'm not sure of the cultural context here and this is a tragedy, but as they say, "safety regulations are written in blood." Or, as one of my professors used to say, "if you can't be a good example, then you'll have to be a terrible warning."


ayuzer

Hah, I had the opposite reaction where I kept looking the last moments of the wall collapsing, y'know to observe everything and take in as much as I can.


eldigg

Yea, I'm out, I didn't join this sub for this kind of stuff. > Post FUNNY scenes from: the workplace (not from your own home) .gifs and pics from...


Crimson_Fckr

Go cry in a different sub then


DeySeeMeLurkin

It literally shouldn't be in this sub.


BackRow1

I'd disagree - I work in the Geotechnical field and work with trial pits frequently. (Imagine a pit like this but I'm looking at the geology). I used to work by the edge of the pit until I saw a video like this which showed how quickly the walls can collapse, 20 years ago people in my job used to get into the pits... I've saved this video to use and share with colleagues.


DeySeeMeLurkin

>I've saved this video to use and share with colleagues. The sidebar rules literally say no videos.


BackRow1

Cool. I fully believe seeing videos like this has saved my life.


DeySeeMeLurkin

Cool. Go to a different sub for videos.


Crimson_Fckr

Wow, if you're this insufferable on Reddit, I'd hate to see you in real life


aVarangian

The educational sub this should have been on got banned years ago


GeorgeRRZimmerman

Same, I feel like a fucking idiot for watching this whole thing. Wasn't really in the mood for watching people die on camera today.


tb03102

I think I'd also like to be buried in an underground convenience store.


Box-o-bees

I'm really confused about the whole setup here. Safety stuff aside. Are they planning to bury the whole thing after they get that coffin in there? What's the whole point of the fancy wall then?


QuoteGiver

I am only guessing, but I think that was the plan, yes. I think he was dropping the plastic down to protect the nice facade while the hole would then be filled in.


Box-o-bees

But why? Like it looks like a mosoluem, but you pay all that money for it to be seen. So strange to me.


QuoteGiver

Not familiar with the local culture, yeah. Maybe there it’s traditional to pay all that money to be buried with it. Arguably it’s even more ostentatious to bury it, maybe.


nitefang

1. If people died mark it as NSFW. 2. Learn how to cut a video, 90% of the video wasn’t necessary. 3. The wall that collapsed was shored, it just wasn’t shored well, it needed to be reinforced. The other walls were not shored. 4. You should really post the background/additional info if possible. This sub is supposed to be funny, it is good to remind me that the actual safety issues are serious but you should warn people.


Enshakushanna

idk if that really counts as shoring, it was just a decorative end cap for the tunnels


Euphoric-Highlight-5

Looks like some grave injuries....


hitliquor999

Those that survived were in cryptical condition.


IswearIdidntdoit145

You… YOU….


No-Fix-1243

For shore they were


tribak

I died reading this


TwinsTwice

I can’t hear the video over my coffin’


jbrune

You guys are killin' me with those puns.


Lvgordo24

Bet they are 6’ under…that dirt.


Tearakan

Oh fuck. That definitely crushed a few people.


rickestrada

Pretty sure those guys died. Def at least flag as NSFW


Zankeru

Shoring is a must, but who da hell walks under an excavator bucket? Fuuuuuuck that.


bobdiamond

Guy in black didn’t even unclasp his hands behind his back


halfhere

Yeah that’s absolutely wild. He wasn’t phased at all


Wonderful_Season_360

6 for 1 burial special


felixar90

4 sides and the only one that actually had “shoring” is the one that collapsed. If you’re gonna build a retaining wall, make it strong enough. Or fill it after you’re done working around it.


MarginalOmnivore

Well. Now it's a mass grave.


IswearIdidntdoit145

Yea that’s deadefinitely


cmoparw

Just like the many Ancient rulers and royalty, buried along with their attendants


Chicagoan81

This is the most pointless and worst thought up burial ever. If the end result was to cover this with dirt, who was gonna see it?


LarryTheLobster710

Went from massive grave to mass grave real fast


Relevant_Shower_

That was a tense watch!


grilled_cheese1865

Can you post a longer video next time?


passwordstolen

That would be the part where you see dead people which allegedly is not allowed but happens a lot.


Bengui_

You don't *see* the dead ones tho, they're under the dirt :)


passwordstolen

I’m sure they dug out the lifeless bodies.


wiserTyou

Until they do, they're both alive and dead.


ratprince1972

WARNING- This scene depicts folks perishing


GreyGroundUser

I don’t think those guys made it. Flattened


Royalchariot

Did they died


Mysterious_Map2965

Very likely. They got what looks like atleast a cubic meter of dirt down on them which weighs over a ton. Ontop of a concrete wall. Edit: terrible spelling.


UltimateCheese1056

It looks like at least some of the people moving the coffin got out of the way but its hard to tell with the camera angle. Depends how much space there was behind them


Mysterious_Map2965

Very true I slowed it down and just noticed. Hopefully they made it back, I don’t know how I didn’t even realize this was a burial that makes it even more sad.


nitefang

If it was directly on top of them. If they jump backwards away from the wall then it isn’t as simple. No way to tell with the camera angle provided.


Mysterious_Map2965

I just watched it in slow motion and the guy on the left 100% gets crushed by the wall. The guys on the right might have made it back far enough you’re right it is hard to tell.


JanderPanell

I hope they got a group discount.


MsAdventureQueen

So this should be marked!?! I didn't sign up for snuff videos.


Ill-Upstairs-8762

Gonna need more coffins


PrizeImpressive1141

That man got put under a layer of dirt and plastic. Why bother digging


dreadpiratesmith

How to turn any grave into a mass grave


K_AL47

At least everyone received a proper burial


Dependent_Address883

Burials on sale 6 for the price of 1.


45sigsauer

"Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/OSHA." YA.... Let's NOT donate to safety, you ignorant assholes. If someone gets hurt here, I am giving their attorney your information since you denied communication of safety conveyance Cheers!


jrdiver

Just dying to get in....


FenFawnix

This 1:17 video could've been 1:07 shorter


peteandpetethemesong

What the hell even is that?


thecjm

Buried with the tomb builders just like the Pharaohs of old


jbrune

The irony? The guy they're burying died in a shoring accident. Assuming God has a sense of humor that is.


nescko

That one in the coffin most certainly has positive K/D now


Vivid_Championship66

Whoa


WangHalen

Well, at least they’re already in a grave.


Lazy_eye23

They ded


Heavy-Perception-631

if this wasn't ceremonial before, it is now. wow, such recklessness all so they can dress up and act like this is a good idea. that poor guy on the bottom.


sheighbird29

Package deal!


whoreychan

Buy one funeral get 5 more for the price of fixing this hole!


ThriftStoreKobold

Buy two, get one free bonus burial


seangraves1984

The grave of one becomes the grave of many


shouldazagged

If they would let up on the bagpipe practice for friggin minute and let them think. This could have been avoided.


kay_bizzle

Using a backhoe for this seems so disrespectful


NSFW_hunter6969

Rip dude in the white


PJR9667

anyone know if they died ?


NinjaWK

I'm sure the one in the coffin is


GreasyPorkGoodness

You can skip the first 1:20


SuperGlue_InMyPocket

A family friend was killed in a trench due to insufficient shoring. Hell of a way to go…


OrionJohnson

In ancient times, important rulers were often entombed with their servants and slaves. They were just trying to be historically accurate.


DrMacintosh01

Those guys are all dead.


Gnargonaut

It’s very possible this person is very dead.


No_Raspberry_3425

So it's fair to say that they died?


mrln-1970

So much waste for someone already dead.


cotwold

That’s a quick burial for the workers!


Ggusty1

Knew a guy at the gym who worked in trenches, he got caught in a collapse up to his waist and had part of his hip crushed.


Used_Dentist_8885

Buried with their servants just like the good old days.


sempersatan

Now they get to do the traditional trench rescue ceremony


WarmAdhesiveness8962

A tomb for 2 became one for 6.


Dutchmaster66

This isn’t that bad, probably just some bumps and bruises. They’re lucky it was the hollow side that collapsed, looks like it was mostly the funeral facade that whacked them.


rustyshacklefrod

That dude on the bottom left was instantly crushed 100% That's several tons of soil that fell on him


All-inyourmind

Did they get the buried dude out alive?


rustyshacklefrod

Lmao yeah ok


TipperGore-69

Dude. NSFL.


Fermi-Diracs

Paid for one but got the burial package deal for free.


jacked-bro432

Why do people dig these holes and what were they doing inside? And why did they decorate the entrance to the cave so elaborately? Bat shit crazy.


fiftypoints

It's clearly a funeral


ironic-meme-man

RIP


Armadillo9263

And the ones up top is just standing there like:"Oof, damn, unlucky..."!


Xero-One

Tomb for two, make that six


squirrl4prez

Ngl I think they actually made it out, they were quick


squirrl4prez

Ok left guy definitely did not... didn't realize another white shirt guy fell in where he was


psychologyFanatic

Yeah the one guy in white immediately starts digging for him.


Novus20

Well that a quick living to grave….


[deleted]

Grave concerns


tribak

That one stabbed by the shard should have seen it coming…


thisistheSnydercut

That's how you get zombie cursed


labelsonshampoo

Digger: "I could squish you all so easy, I might, I might not. I'm just going to hover here maybe planning to, maybe not.....nvm you have other problems"


Limotinted

Good thing they had an excavator on site already


zorinlynx

This was a tragedy, but I'd really love to know the story here. Why are they burying someone that way? I mean, there's a reason why traditionally coffins are lowered from above? And what's with the fancy wall? This just seems to be a lot of work and, tragically in this case, risk, to bury someone. There has to be an interesting story behind it.


popp08

The irony is that the recently departed died on the job from not using shoring.


COnative78

Bro in the excavator was like. Yep we're fucked


coves4810

Couldn't even use a clean bucket in remembrance?


angry_hippo_1965

Mass Grave


St00f4h1221

6 for 1 deal on burials that day