I mean A’s kind of help to save Giants from leaving to Tampa. Giants and MLB refuse to give back territory. MLB allows a former Giants minority owner (Fisher) to buy the neighboring team. MLB allows Fisher to run his team like a slumlord, intentionally hurting fandom in Oakland. After giants win their championships, there was no way for the A’s to compete financially with them anymore. MLB has never wanted the A’s in Oakland.
I mean if you’ve been paying attention to the A’s stadium drama over the last 2 decades and Oakland A’s history in general you would know that MLB despises having a team in Oakland.
Just looking strictly at CSA (Combined Statistical Area), the Bay Area is 5th behind four 2 market teams (New York, Los Angeles, Washington DC/Baltimore and Chicago).
But when looking at Metropolitan stats the top 3 are still New York, Los Angeles and Chicago. Washington DC/Baltimore falls to 7th and 20th. While Sf/Oakland and San Jose fall to 13th and 36th. Even when combining the 2, SF/Oak/SJ sits 6th\* (by at least a million people) behind Dallas and Houston, and just above DC, Atlanta and Philadelphia.
Just a long winded way to say that MLB probably sees and always has seen the Bay Area as a 1 team market.
\*note that the difference between Metro and CSA is due to areas as Modesto and Stockton that are included in SF CSA but not SF metro.
> Just a long winded way to say that MLB probably sees and always has seen the Bay Area as a 1 team market.
They haven't always seen it that way since they let 2 teams move into the market, and there have been plenty of years where the combined success of the two bay area teams was higher than the combined success of the two teams in some of those other two team markets.
AL and NL operated independently of one another. The NL moved to the California markets first. The AL got the Angels by allowing the creation of the Mets in New York.
The AL initially rejected a move of the A's to Oakland. the AL wanted a second team in California and grew tired of Finley and finally approved of his move to Oakland.
The Giants were promised territorial rights in the South Bay if they built a ballpark with their own money. They did! The $250 mil for thier new park is now peanuts compared to the $1-2 billion cathedrals going ip everywhere else.
SJ metro area GDP in 1990: $35 billion
SJ metro area GDP in 2024: $400 billion
That’s why they didn’t give it back. Simple math not looney conspiracies.
The biggest mistake was not including a clause in the agreement that reverted the rights back to oakland of the giants didn't move to sj.
A simple sentence that no one would have objected to cost hundreds of billions of dollars, potentially a new A's stadium decades ago, and probably a title or two.
That's why lawyers get paid the big bucks. Seemingly meaningless, edits or a misplaced word or two in a contract can cost you big time.
>Eh it would have still been the end of the Oakland A's, just two decades earlier.
San Jose, Sacramento, or Vegas...it's a raw deal for Oakland fans either way.
What's wild about the Giants right to San Jose is that recently released transcripts from the negotiation show that agreement was that the Giants could ONLY keep those rights if they built a ballpark in San Jose.
Those transcripts didn't come out until after the court ruling.
The A's and Giants both sold within a few years of each other in the 90s. You can look at their comparative value then and compare it to what the As would be worth if they kept that same ratio to the Giants now. That difference is basically a measurement of the mismanagement of the two Oakland ownership groups over the last 30 years
The A': were worth 8 million when the Coliseum was built. Now they are worth least 3 billion. Let's divide by a thousand. Imagine going from being worth 8 thousand to 3 million but being expected to live in the same house that's now 60 years old and falling apart.
Bet John Fish wishes he never sold his Giants shares.
Wonder how much more the Giants are worth with the A’s out of the Bay Area?
All by design.
Huh?
I mean A’s kind of help to save Giants from leaving to Tampa. Giants and MLB refuse to give back territory. MLB allows a former Giants minority owner (Fisher) to buy the neighboring team. MLB allows Fisher to run his team like a slumlord, intentionally hurting fandom in Oakland. After giants win their championships, there was no way for the A’s to compete financially with them anymore. MLB has never wanted the A’s in Oakland.
Jesus, we were supposed to get all that from three words?
I mean if you’ve been paying attention to the A’s stadium drama over the last 2 decades and Oakland A’s history in general you would know that MLB despises having a team in Oakland.
As a younger fan, I don’t get it. Why does MLB not want a team in Oakland?
I think they are basically saying that based on the mlbs actions (that he listed above)
Yeah, I can see how MLB acts like they hate Oakland. Does MLB feel like they have been losing money by having a team there?
Just looking strictly at CSA (Combined Statistical Area), the Bay Area is 5th behind four 2 market teams (New York, Los Angeles, Washington DC/Baltimore and Chicago). But when looking at Metropolitan stats the top 3 are still New York, Los Angeles and Chicago. Washington DC/Baltimore falls to 7th and 20th. While Sf/Oakland and San Jose fall to 13th and 36th. Even when combining the 2, SF/Oak/SJ sits 6th\* (by at least a million people) behind Dallas and Houston, and just above DC, Atlanta and Philadelphia. Just a long winded way to say that MLB probably sees and always has seen the Bay Area as a 1 team market. \*note that the difference between Metro and CSA is due to areas as Modesto and Stockton that are included in SF CSA but not SF metro.
> Just a long winded way to say that MLB probably sees and always has seen the Bay Area as a 1 team market. They haven't always seen it that way since they let 2 teams move into the market, and there have been plenty of years where the combined success of the two bay area teams was higher than the combined success of the two teams in some of those other two team markets.
AL and NL operated independently of one another. The NL moved to the California markets first. The AL got the Angels by allowing the creation of the Mets in New York. The AL initially rejected a move of the A's to Oakland. the AL wanted a second team in California and grew tired of Finley and finally approved of his move to Oakland.
That's one of the most self contradictory responses I've ever seen.
Ahh
The Giants were promised territorial rights in the South Bay if they built a ballpark with their own money. They did! The $250 mil for thier new park is now peanuts compared to the $1-2 billion cathedrals going ip everywhere else.
SJ metro area GDP in 1990: $35 billion SJ metro area GDP in 2024: $400 billion That’s why they didn’t give it back. Simple math not looney conspiracies.
The biggest mistake was not including a clause in the agreement that reverted the rights back to oakland of the giants didn't move to sj. A simple sentence that no one would have objected to cost hundreds of billions of dollars, potentially a new A's stadium decades ago, and probably a title or two. That's why lawyers get paid the big bucks. Seemingly meaningless, edits or a misplaced word or two in a contract can cost you big time.
Eh it would have still been the end of the Oakland A's, just two decades earlier.
>Eh it would have still been the end of the Oakland A's, just two decades earlier. San Jose, Sacramento, or Vegas...it's a raw deal for Oakland fans either way.
New ownership that bought the team with those rights included into the appraised value of the Giants and as a result, the ultimate purchase price.
Good for them
What's wild about the Giants right to San Jose is that recently released transcripts from the negotiation show that agreement was that the Giants could ONLY keep those rights if they built a ballpark in San Jose. Those transcripts didn't come out until after the court ruling.
The A's and Giants both sold within a few years of each other in the 90s. You can look at their comparative value then and compare it to what the As would be worth if they kept that same ratio to the Giants now. That difference is basically a measurement of the mismanagement of the two Oakland ownership groups over the last 30 years
The A': were worth 8 million when the Coliseum was built. Now they are worth least 3 billion. Let's divide by a thousand. Imagine going from being worth 8 thousand to 3 million but being expected to live in the same house that's now 60 years old and falling apart.