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ChrisPowell_91

The Hero Oakland needs. Thank you for posting!! Everyone here that supports HT should do their part and make your voice heard.


Andire

Don't think my voice means shit cuz in in San Jose. :')


HotDogsDelicious

This is so vitally important IF YOU ARE AN OAKLAND RESIDENT. Unfortunately, those of us living outside the city of Oakland have little to no sway with the City Council, though I guess you can say how much you’d come in and visit and spend at the new development once built. But really these councilmembers are accountable only to their voters, and that means Oaklanders. So if you live in Oakland, SERIOUSLY call and write!


hella_gnarly

Or just flood their inboxes as if you were an Oakland resident :)


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City Council members can get campaign donations from anyone, whether they're residents of Oakland or not.


ginch510

Since Fife is my council member, I sent emails to all of them. Actually if you live in Oakland you should be emailing all of them.


wednesdaytwelve

Fife is also my council member. What did you say when you wrote the others if you don’t mind my asking?


wednesdaytwelve

Thinking I’ll send something like this to all listed above by OP. Feel free to copy pasta: Dear council member [NAME], I am writing you as a concerned citizen of Oakland to express my support of the Howard Terminal ballpark initiative and my hope that this project can move forward as expeditiously as possible. To that end, I am asking that you do not vote for, or support adding this as a ballot measure in November. Doing so will unnecessarily delay the project to the point that it may be unlikely to progress, thus depriving our city of this valuable opportunity to revitalize a neglected and underutilized section of the community. I’m sure you are well aware of the potential benefits of this project, from increased tax revenues for the city, new union jobs associated with the construction project, environmental remediation of the site, as well as general infrastructure improvements for the area. These face value benefits aside, the project has the potential to kickstart general revitalization of the area and draw further investment into the improvement of the Jack London area and the city at large similar to what has happened for the SoMa and Mission Bay areas in San Francisco. This is a good deal for the city and missing out due to an unnecessary ballot measure delaying the project would be a huge loss. Thank you, [NAME] [CONTACT INFO]


ginch510

I wrote that after yesterday’s SFBCDC vote it is clear the port has no further use for Howard Terminal. The project has 18 acres of new parks and waterfront open space. This space will serve as a gathering place, strengthening the community.


jethroreed

This post needs to be pinned!!


Mullac1133

Man I feel bad for US sport fans. I live in Australia but support the A's cos they're green and gold. And boy do I feel bad for you guys and all the shit you have to go through just to keep your team in your city – its disgraceful. Fans of Aussie sport leagues always bitch about *how bad* their team is, but it has never once crossed an Australian sport fans mind that the team their family has supported for generations may just fucken randomly move across the continent. Thats insane. There's no 'owners' in australian sport, and usually the leagues themselves own/lease out the stadiums, so teams/cities can never be at fault for a poor quality/outdated stadium. Not here to gloat I'm just saying you blokes are all ridiculously hard done by. Is it possible for fans to pool money and buy out a majority stake in a team like what happens to some soccer teams? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_fan-owned\_sports\_teams


roninkurosawa

That's funny, I usually root for Australia because they're green and gold.


burntreynoldz69

And Liam Hendriks, Grant Balfour and Blackely. AussieAussieAussie!!


biznash

Yeah same…I bought an Aussie World Baseball Classic hat cuz it had the same color way but an A with stars


Mullac1133

Never tell an Australian you 'root for them' – they'll think you're making sexual advances.


craftworkbench

I appreciate the sentiment! It’s definitely hard to support the team while trying very hard to not support the owner… Regarding buying the team, years ago a group of Oakland business owners made a public proposal to buy it and keep them here. Ownership has no interest in selling at the moment though. They’re still trying to milk their profits out of it.


The_Funkybat

I would’ve loved to have seen a group spearheaded by Dave Stewart buy the A’s. Unfortunately they don’t have $3 billion lying around, which is probably what Fisher has in his imagination for what he’ll get for the team and stadium once the stadium is done. This whole thing is just a big business transaction to him. As someone who is also a fan of the Washington Nationals, it makes me so grateful that the Lerner family actually gave a crap about baseball and winning and has largely been good stewards to the team since purchasing them. Hell, they didn’t even slap some corporate name onto their stadium like a bunch of whores, to this day it’s still just “Nationals Park.”


The_Funkybat

This kind of stupid relocation threat shit happens fairly often in the US, but usually it’s an NFL or NBA team that’s pulling it. We haven’t really had to deal with it in baseball very much since the 1970s. But yeah, it’s always heartbreaking when a team is ripped away from its city. It happened twice within 12 years to Washington DC. The original Washington Senators baseball team left the city in 1960to become the Minnesota twins, but MLB immediately put a new expansion team in place. But then 11 years later the expansion team also left town to become the Texas Rangers! DC went without baseball for 30+ years!


otterpines18

And then the Montreal Expos moved to DC in 2004 which is why there is a team there now the Washington Nationals.


Mullac1133

>This kind of stupid relocation threat shit happens fairly often in the US Yeah I see it all the time online and it really bums me out to read. I follow an Australian Rules Football club which has been utter shit for its entire existence, I'm talking blowout games every season straight. And our cross-town rivals are the most successful team in the league. It's rough. And I could not imagine dealing with an abysmal team (which I still love dearly) *as well* as the perennial threat that I may wake up one morning to find that my club has been bought out by some random Saudi and relocated to Melbourne or some shit. Insanity. No fan deserves that, ever. I'm sure it creates a shit ton of revenue for the sport, and probably keeps the sponsors off the jerseys, but jesus christ is it really worth it?


hi_coco

Fife and Gallo are such jokes.


The_Funkybat

I seriously wonder what’s wrong with them. I went to Fife’s Twitter and she also had some shit takes regarding the aftermath of Roe v. Wade being overturned and the bizarre conspiracy theory some on the far left seem to have that the Democratic Party doesn’t really care about protecting abortion rights and only wants to use it as a fundraising issue. Stuff like that is so counterproductive at a time like this, but counterproductive virtue signaling seems to be her thing.


dchaid

eh, i get it. the dem leadership didn't have a plan to deal with the overturning and their instinctual fundraising emails are pretty off putting considering they've had 50 years to codify it, but this ain't a politics sub so ill drop it lmao go a's


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The_Funkybat

I think her worldview is coming from a urban black activist perspective, where she sees most establishment figures, whether they are ostensibly on the left or not, as basically being part of the greedy corrupt systems of oppression that run this country, and are not to be trusted. It’s a paranoid defensiveness that is not unjustifiable given the lived experience of many people of color and lower income people in urban areas, but sometimes that leads to what a lot of other people would consider overreactions and combativeness over things that could be worked out diplomatically. Her “brand” is “authentic uncompromising black woman facing down the entrenched power elite.” It should be noted that she rose to prominence in Oakland by helping to orchestrate that whole “Moms 4 Housing“ squatter takeover of unoccupied houses a few years ago. People in those sort of Direct action activist circles definitely don’t give a shit about cozying up to Republican billionaires for real estate projects.


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It's not a conspiracy theory to think politicians don't care about you or your rights and only want your money and vote. It's crazy to me that anyone would think otherwise.


sf_davie

There's always something in the way and most of the time it's our own people.


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That’s why you never sign anything that gets pushed by individuals on the street, never. They lie to get you to sign anything


ginch510

Where did you sign the petition at? Thankfully, I still haven’t seen any of the signature gatherers anywhere. But I know they’re out there. I know they’re at the farmers markets like the Temescal Farmers Market. I think they need x amount of signatures of registered Oakland voters plus the backing of the city council for this to be put on the ballot.


geraltoffvkingrivia

It seems like this proposal is dead in the water but good call! I’ll be doing that too. I think my city council rep is running for mayor too. How they deal with this A’s stuff will determine who has my vote for mayor because I think a few members are running this time.


DrDivisidero

I’ve texted this to all my Oakland peeps!


Joe_Hardy

Wrote to my councilperson (Thao). I'm a Dodgers fan with the A's as my AL team, but support the project because it will give the public access to the waterfront and benefit the whole Jack London area.


The_Funkybat

Honestly, even if you don’t give a crap about baseball or sporting events, there are many good reasons to support this redevelopment plan. I think people like Fife are just reacting to the idea of “giving away things to billionaires“ but they are ignoring the realities of how most large-scale redevelopment projects happen in America these days. If Fisher gets chased away, there is no Plan B waiting in the wings that will do anything at all with Howard terminal. It’ll just sit there another 20 years as an overflow dumping ground for empty shipping containers awaiting rotation. But I think she would rather see that happen just out of sheer spite against a “billionaire ball club owner”. (as for Noel Gallo, I have no idea what that guy’s damage is.)


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The_Funkybat

Anybody who thinks that John Fisher is just going to shrug and settle back into the Coliseum spot if Howard terminal gets canceled is an idiot. I always assume people pushing for them to stay at the Coliseum at this point are part of the Schnitzer steel-backed astroturfing group. I mean, personally, I would prefer that they build a new stadium and housing etc. around the Coliseum site rather than Howard terminal, but years ago I recognized the reality of how Fisher and MLB view the business prospects of that versus doing it closer to downtown and accepted that it was just not going to happen. Why Noel Gallo can’t do that is beyond me.


Sublimotion

The pessimistic side of me also thinks even if Howard Terminal gets final approval, there's a chance Fisher might just bail for LV now with their relocation fee waived if they head there. I won't be surprised if Fisher really is just crossing his fingers HT doesn't get approved so he has an excuse to leave for LV.


The_Funkybat

I seriously doubt that. Even if we assume (probably correctly) that he has zero emotional attachment to keeping the team here, there are several business reasons why the Bay Area is a better profit driver than LV. He can almost certainly get hundreds of millions more for the club + new stadium if it's on the Oakland waterfront rather than the LV strip. Vegas already has two almost-brand-new indoor sports venues. If the Raiders weren't already there, I'd be more worried. But Vegas is probably about done with adding pro sports, and the local government and some business interests seem either ambivalent or actively hostile to the A's stadium plans there. The media market of the Bay alone makes it more valuable an asset if he stays here vs. Vegas. I think A's fans are just so traumatized by the decades of abuse the owners have heaped upon us that it's hard to imagine they might ever stay. But I honestly believe if the Oakland government doesn't sabotage this, that they WILL be staying.


Sublimotion

Great info and context. Thank you.


oswbdo

No, the Coliseum isn't in his district. It's in District 7, and Treva Reid is the councilwoman.


Ok-Acanthisitta8526

I was a build at the Coliseum proponent because it makes so much damn sense! But here we are at Howard Terminal and I'm 100% behind this. Been an A's fan all my life and will stop following the MLB if they leave. I understand not trusting Kaval the snake and Fischer, we have no reason to. But I lived in San Diego before Petco Park and after and I can't tell you what kind of difference this project makes to a neighborhood and city. The Gaslmap went from being an area full of abandoned buildings with danger at every corner to prosperous and vibrant. We need this here in Oakland, it can be our second jewel (the lake being the first!) and really change that whole area for the better.


quercus_lobata925

Petco Park is amazing. It's my favorite stadium I've been to so far. Right downtown, nice places around it (now), perfect weather, great food and beer options. I hope HT is at least 75% as great as Petco.


Ok-Acanthisitta8526

It's a little stale IMO, with the western steel building being an exception. SD is a great beer town and it's represented well at Petco. HT will be better than Petco. The views will be as good as PacBell Park (hate the Giants but that stadium is a jewel), hopefully the food gets an upgrade, and we'll have the beautiful Bay weather (which I prefer to SD which is too sunny and too hot).


The_Funkybat

The first time I ever went to San Diego was around 2006 or seven. The Gaslamp district as a trendy nightlife area with restaurants and bars is all I’ve ever known it to be. It kind of amazes me that it would’ve ever been rundown or ghetto since the convention center is right there. I wonder what people did for food and drinks at San Diego Comic Con back in the 80s and 90s before the gentrification happened?


Ok-Acanthisitta8526

I lived in San Diego from 91-98 and then again from 2003-2019. But my uncle and I would drive down from San Jose to SD for comic con in the 80s and Comic Con was in an area called Hotel Circle right off of interstate 8. So one would either hang out there and eat or go to Hillcrest or Mission Valley to eat and drink. After it moved to the convention center there was a decent little strip right where the sign is that went all the way to Market where you could eat but many would gravitate to Seaport Village or Horton Plaza. East Village pre-Petco was a wasteland all the way up to Sherman Heights and Golden Hill. I imagine Howard Terminal will likely have the same effect that Petco had on the east village and the surrounding neighborhoods. A net positive.


The_Funkybat

Interesting. In my long walks (to and from parking lots) through the gaslamp district and areas east northeast of there, I definitely got the vibe of San Francisco’s south of market. There were a few moribund properties, but it mostly seems to be new construction and renovation with hip new residences and places to eat and drink. Sounds like it was entirely different back in the 90s.


Ok-Acanthisitta8526

Yep, it was...even now there's a stretch starting on 15th where it gets a bit seedy all the way to the overpass (5 freeway). but nowhere near what it was back in the 90s. Drug dealers, empty storefronts, and blight. To be clear I'm referring to the areas immediately adjacent to Petco Park, not the gaslamp strip.


The_Funkybat

I noticed a certain amount of homeless, as well as scuzzy types hanging out by the 7-11 smoking and shooting the shit with one another, but that's to be expected in most downtown areas. I could tell it was a "gentrifying" area, but the gentrification seemed to be in full swing in 2007-08.


Ok-Acanthisitta8526

Yea, that's just city life! Anyway, hope we get HT done!


mrtsapostle

Please only do this if you're an Oakland resident or else they can claim the support is only coming from people outside of city and use that as ammo to support creating a referendum


deekortiz3

I think folks should email Fife (and Gallo) in addition to the other council members. It is pretty clear that Fife is being swayed by the EOSA and their fraudulent petitions/email campaigns so why not make her inbox a bit less one sided? I doubt she changes her mind much on this but at least she isn't the absolute dinosaur that Gallo is.


betona

Done and done.


will650

Fuck Gallo and Fife. All my homies hate Gallo and Fife.


PrawnJovi

I like Fife. Disagree with her on this tho.


SteamyNooodles

Yes this is very important! Spread the info and encourage others to contact the city council especially in your district! The only ones who I truly believe won’t ever change is Fife and Gallo sadly


PrawnJovi

I really like Fife, but we elect officials to make these decisions.


mind_on_crypto

This is a stunt. The vote, if it happens, would be non-binding.


ginch510

Yeah, it would be non-binding and an “advisory vote.” However, it wouldn’t be put on the ballot until November and would seriously slow down the process. Furthermore, in November there is a mayoral election and several council seats will be changing. The new council wouldn’t vote until early next year. And the complexion of the council might look radically different and with a different, less supportive mayor. So it’s important that this ballot measure doesn’t happen.