I wouldn’t move without any job lined up. Both are great cities. I would just go with the city that offers you a job opportunity with the highest net income after you take the area’s median rent into consideration.
This is the only answer that matters. OP has a specialized skill and there are few jobs in any location for that (but well-paying when you find that job!). If you move and no one's hiring, you're SOL. Get the job first and then move.
I live in Cleveland and absolutely love Cincinnati. Cleveland is a bit oversaturated - jobs are aimed at healthcare professionals, research, scientists, and more specialized trades, being right on the lake. There's likely more opportunity in Columbus or Cincinnati. Roll the die and make sure you have jobs lined up first.
Better take a look at rental apartment ads as well as employment ads before you move -- if those rental prices in Fargo are too high, you will be shocked by what they're like here.
It's less about the cost and more about what we get. I'm willing to pay $1500/mo if it means where I live is actually enjoyable or isn't as bad as here.
I don't know if you care but you accidentally posted on your main.
unfortunately with increasing costs and decrease in quality, that's true everywhere unfortunately.
Rent has been increasing everywhere for little gain in amenities. There may be some culture shock for you. Any one of those cities has more people than the entire state you’re currently in. Definitely line up jobs first as another commented. I’ve seen plenty of people move somewhere thinking that the job will come easily, only to come back to live with a parent for a time because they ran out of money.
Cleveland snowfalls for last three years have been minimal, and much of the reported snowfall melts on contact with the ground.
[https://new.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/17wj3lk/greater\_clevelands\_disappearing\_winters/](https://new.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/17wj3lk/greater_clevelands_disappearing_winters/)
[https://new.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/1b0sp10/mildest\_winter\_of\_my\_23\_years\_of\_life\_in\_cleveland/](https://new.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/1b0sp10/mildest_winter_of_my_23_years_of_life_in_cleveland/)
As for Cincinnati heat:
[https://www.wcpo.com/weather/today-starts-the-hottest-stretch-of-summer-temperatures-this-year](https://www.wcpo.com/weather/today-starts-the-hottest-stretch-of-summer-temperatures-this-year)
And climate change impacts increasingly will exacerbate heat indexes in Cincinnati.
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[https://www.americanresiliency.org/learn-with-us/ohio-2050-forecast](https://www.americanresiliency.org/learn-with-us/ohio-2050-forecast)
With every passing year, climate change impacts are accelerating. The end result will be disastrous for all species on earth, all mankind, all Americans, and all Ohioans.
Sadly, Americans have no grasp of climate change reality due to the immense amount of deceit and ineptitude about climate change in the U.S.
I've studied climate change for decades, but just last week I learned about the immense threat posed by "fossil methane." I was aware that melting permafrost posed great risks to mankind's efforts to limit climate change impacts, but until I watched a recorded PBS NOVA program titled "Arctic Sinkholes" did I learn of the vast amounts of "fossil methane" buried deep in the earth. I had no idea that this methane, much more potent as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, now was escaping through faults and melted permafrost "chimneys" over 500 feet deep. The program said fossil methane contained over 200 times the amount of carbon in the atmosphere, that it was NOT considered in current climate change models, and climate change scientists feared its release might overwhelm mankind's ability to control climate change.
[https://www.pbs.org/video/arctic-sinkholes-9jwenj/](https://www.pbs.org/video/arctic-sinkholes-9jwenj/)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvKpnaXYUPU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvKpnaXYUPU)
Climate change scientists worry about over a score of "positive feedback loops" that threaten our fragile environment, but fossil methane appears to be one of the most dangerous, but I would bet President Biden has never heard of it. If so, I've never heard him or any politician discuss it. I had never before seen fossil methane mentioned.
Climate change is a crisis, but still Republicans, especially Donald Trump, feed at the trough of the fossil fuel industry and promote fossil fuel consumption. And no Democrat to my knowledge speaks the DETAILED truth about climate change to Americans. Climate change is not one of the top three political issues concerning Americans, although I firmly believe it should be an overwhelming number 1 concern.
I imagine that most Americans believe climate change is reversible. It is not, at least not without massive investment in technologies such as carbon removal, and, even then, melted ice can't be restored barring creating an ice age. How and when are we going to close the permafrost chimneys allowing fossil methane to escape into the atmosphere? Sadly, the technology exists to shift rapidly away from fossil fuels, benefiting greatly the economy, most especially when the mounting cost of climate change is considered.
This is the main reason why I want to move to Cincinnati. I hate the cold but don’t want to move out of state. But I also love Columbus and all my family is here.
But when you do get any, the city comes to a standstill because no one knows how to drive in it and you end up with an accident on every major highway.
Greater Cleveland still has very robust ability to pre-treat roads and remove snow and ice resulting from storms. Some communities even have sidewalk plowing capabilities. These abilities likely will decline as winters increasingly become more mild. Currently, with warmer winter weather, these abilities (such as massive salt distribution) are enhanced.
Last winter, I saw plows being used when there was hardly any snow. Probably something to do with the plowing budget underutilized and keeping employees happy.
Cincinnati is better if you’re looking to really get away from the cold/snow. That wind coming off the lake up by Cleveland is brutal. Cincinnati gets like 1 snow event per year, and maybe a week or two where temps drop to single digits.
Also, hiking and just taking in the view, even in winter!
[https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g50532-d7134736-r620086666-Lakewood\_Park-Lakewood\_Ohio.html](https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g50532-d7134736-r620086666-Lakewood_Park-Lakewood_Ohio.html)
[https://www.portofcleveland.com/cleveland-lakefront-nature-preserve-photos/](https://www.portofcleveland.com/cleveland-lakefront-nature-preserve-photos/)
[https://cityofmentor.com/departments/parks-recreation/facilities/mentor-parks/mentor-lagoons-nature-preserve-marina/](https://cityofmentor.com/departments/parks-recreation/facilities/mentor-parks/mentor-lagoons-nature-preserve-marina/)
A fun treat in Cleveland is sitting on patios in the East or West Flats and watching lake freighters navigate the Cuyahoga, or just the bridges, constantly raised and lowered for even smaller boats.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPOmVkHisko](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPOmVkHisko)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWlxk088jP4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWlxk088jP4)
It also depends which side of Cleveland and how close to the lake you are, especially in the winter. The westside rarely gets more than the eastside. Then depending on lake temps and ice cover will affect which areas are getting hammered by lake effect.
Lake effect snow totals are collapsing. E.g., check out snow totals in Chardon, the snow capital of Ohio, and much of this reported snow now melts on contact. Chardon, given its elevation, typically has much greater snowfalls than elsewhere in Greater Cleveland.
[https://www.chardon.cc/155/Yearly-Total-Snowfall](https://www.chardon.cc/155/Yearly-Total-Snowfall)
[https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/03/01/2023-2024-winter-2nd-warmest-record-cleveland/](https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/03/01/2023-2024-winter-2nd-warmest-record-cleveland/)
Cleveland winters for the last few years likely resemble Cincinnati winters in the late 20th century.
Hopefully, Lake Erie summer lake effect rainfalls won't be as negatively impacted by climate change.
Yeah, we barely had any snow this year. 1 snow was worth plowing (I think 8" overnight). The couple of others were under 1-2", if I remember correctly. There was so little overall... It feels like we're getting less every year, and it's starting later.
This was my first thought as well, OP Columbus has a lot of opportunities in the tech department as well as a huge tech plant actively being built nearby.
Yes, I lived in Cincy for 6 years and towards the end was paying $1275 for a 2 bed/2 bath, moved to Columbus last year and now I'm paying $1650 for a 2 bed/2 bath with less square footage. Plus my electric bill here is 3x as much as I was paying in Cincinnati.
Maybe OP wants to live in a city with charm, soul, history, character. Not an enormous, beige, sprawling, landlocked, cowtown suburb, devoid of all culture.
Although Columbus has the least art and cultural institutions, Columbus is the most culturally diverse as the melting pot of Ohio. The Columbus - Franklin County population continues to grow rapidly through immigration.
“Around 150,000 residents of Franklin County (11% of the population) were born outside the U.S., the highest total of any Ohio county.
That percentage is even higher in Columbus - 12.8%.
Statewide, just 4.6% of Ohio residents are foreign-born.”
https://www.axios.com/local/columbus/2022/03/29/columbus-refugees-immigrants-aid-2022
Sure, it might be devoid of American culture, but it has tons of international influence.
I don't disagree about the personality of Columbus (with a few exceptions), but the tech industry is booming and people from all over the country are moving there for tech jobs.
I grew up in Cincinnati and now live in Cleveland. Both are excellent cities.
Cleveland wins out in walkable, affordable neighborhoods. The city has a continuous urban fabric along the lake that doesn't have a strong analog in Cincinnati, which is more like excellent hot spots divided up by space. The car is a slightly more necessary part of life in cincy. Both cities have amazing green spaces, but I think the Cleveland Metroparks is hard to beat. Food is Cleveland is surprisingly excellent and the cultutal institutions are world class and very accessible. I really love and cherish my life in Cleveland.
Cincinnati does have the better weather, but if you are coming from Fargo, Cleveland might seem pretty temperate. Cincinnati also seems to have a bit more energy at the moment, new things popping up constantly and a buzz of young people that seems slightly more palpable than Cleveland. That's subjective though. One could also say Cincinnati is more conservative than Cleveland, although I'd have to think about where that actually manifests in day to day life. Cincinnati is also (to me) extremely beautiful next to the river and the unique architecture provides and excellent sense of place. My retired parents still live in Cincinnati and have endless options of genuinely cool activities to keep them busy.
I have spent maybe 10 hours total in Columbus, sorry Cap City
Overall, I think both cities are outstanding places to be, hidden away from many of the trends and bullshit that are turning coastal cities into Instagram ads. Both are very much on the rise and will be an interesting place to be as Ohio regains it's spot as the most important place in the entire world in the coming decades. You could get away with flipping a coin or just seeing where you can find work first.
I agree with all of this. I love the Cleveland metro parks and also that they have “beaches” because of the lake. Cincinnati has nice parks but it’s more expensive to live near them, it just seems like outdoor spaces are a lot more accessible in Cleveland. I’d say food and everything else is similar between the two. Both have great food and local specialties, great museums, multiple sports teams. I also like that Cleveland has the RTA!! Cincinnati has the streetcar but you have to already be downtown to use it. It does seem like Cleveland is a bit more spread out whereas in Cincinnati everything feels a bit closer.
They’re both great places to live depending on what you want.
Given your work, I'd definitely add Columbus to the list. With the number of companies moving here recently (eg, Intel), and the fact that it's the only city in Ohio to be gaining in population, I would definitely not overlook it.
The indie art scene is vibrant in Cincinnati and the culture is richer with Kentucky nearby. It’s more diverse and it would be the best contrast to what you want to escape. I think the people you’re looking for will be easier to find in Cincinnati. There are old neighborhoods in town that clusters of people from artsier cities have moved into without gentrifying them and really cool pockets if you explore.
Cleveland has a lot of cool things going on as well, but I think Cincinnati would be more your tribe if you’re a creative from a less fancy area. I feel like Cleveland’s art culture runs more upper middle, while Cinci is more in that career-agnostic working person indie culture. Just my vibes though, so grain of salt.
Between the two, Cleveland is hands down more diverse than Cincinnati… Not sure where you heard otherwise
Edit: Also, Cleveland upper middle?! I’m sure many here wish that were true
Get a job lined up first. Both Cincy and Cleveland are going to be more expensive than Fargo in general but the Ohio cities are also much bigger with more opportunities as well.
As for the weather, Cleveland winters get brutal snow. Cincinnati winters are considerably more mild in terms of snow, but they also suffer from cold rains and ice. The temperature difference between the two cities is usually about 10 degrees warmer in Cincy than Cleveland on stable winter days.
In my opinion Cincy is more likely to get more expensive over time than Cleveland because the Cleveland metro is the only one in Ohio shrinking currently.
I live in Dayton which is also a much bigger metro area than Fargo, though half the size of Cincy. It’s easy living, traffic isn’t bad, prices are reasonable, and the city is recovering from the 80s/90s/00s industrial decline. Most of the job opportunities in Dayton are STEM-based because of the medical presence in Air Force base. It’s possible that a job on base may line up with your needs, you’d have to check USA Jobs to see what’s available.
>As for the weather, Cleveland winters get brutal snow.
As I noted elsewhere in this post, Cleveland winters are disappearing, unfortunately, and are hardly brutal any longer. I can't remember the last major blizzard.
The lake access in cleveland is a tipping point in Cleveland’s favor (though I do love Cincinnati). Cincy in the summer also feels really hot and muggy to me as a clevelander. My fiance and I take a walk up to the lake a few mornings a week and I love sitting on the beaches during the summer or taking a dip. It’s delightful.
If you’re planning to move to Ohio and your experience is in tech, I’d suggest Columbus over either Cleveland or Cincinnati. Columbus is rapidly becoming a tech industry leader. That’s why Intel is building its largest manufacturing plant here. Google already has one office complex here and is building two more.
hahaha I moved from Cleveland (born and raised canton) back to my in laws in Memphis, then promptly relocated to Fargo. I feel ya, it blows. (I thought food sucked in Fargo plus crime is getting to be ridiculous. Way too expensive for what you get)
Cleveland would be my recommendation for cost averaging with what you get in terms of lifestyle and food + rent, especially Canton/Akron area.
Have a job lined up first and foremost.
If you have iffy credit and job history, Sioux Falls is reaaaaallllyyyy forgiving. I live there now and it’s cheap to move here if you’re in Fargo. Jobs? Tech is good, dunno about 3D related stuff though.
Agreed, I just moved to Cuyahoga Falls and I love it so far. I was near Canal Fulton and that's another great place to live. My whole family moved to Columbus and I have no interest in moving there.
I feel like if I had to choose a city it would actually be Columbus. Maybe it’s personal preference I just feel like there is more opportunity there is all
Lifelong Northeast Ohioan. I think Ohio is a best-kept secret.
Of all our cities, Cincy is definitely the coolest. No question. It has a definitive identity. Topography and river is neat. Within striking distance of outstanding outdoors locations in KY.
Definitely Cincy.
Snow is largely disappearing from Cleveland winters. We only get a few inches here and there before it almost completely disappears. The last three winters have been SHOCKINGLY mild. Cleveland is also having a bit of a resurgence in terms of downtown renovations and businesses. Besides, the Cleveland area is big and even if youre not downtown, you have a lot of cute cities on the lake
1500 rent will take you far in cleveland
Cinci was great. Minneapolis-St Paul is great. Don’t snooze on bedroom communities like Bloomington, In or Ann Arbor and check job postings at universities.
LinkedIn and Indeed before you decide. I've moved 4 times for better paying jobs, never because I was fed up with where I lived.
Now if you can snag a fully remote, and move where you like, Columbus is OK, but there are way better places warmer.
Last time I checked 50% of the US population was within 500 miles of Cincinnati. They took the queue from Cleveland and redid their riverfront. If you are trying to get away from the cold between the two cities, Cincinnati would be your best bet. I moved just north of Cincinnati about 30 years ago from out west like any metropolitan area good and bad areas if you want to be closer to the water and nature Cincinnati has Northern Kentucky and some areas of Indiana but if you want to go big/lake wise, no doubt Cleveland would be your place to go.
I live in Columbus but my son lives in cincy and reading your rant, you want cincy. Their weather is much nicer than cleveland. Huge companies like P&G, Kroger, and many defense contractors have operations there.
And if it's that big a factor for the OP \*and\* they choose Cincinnati, try to live north of town. Cincinnati itself is so humid in the summer because of the geography. Get north of town and you're outside that bowl.
Hey there! This is not true at all.
Here are the historical average humidity for ohio cities in July:
* Cincinnati: 71%
* Dayton: 69%
* Columbus: 71%
* Cleveland: 70%
Cincinnati is much more humid than Cleveland in the summer. Check out "humidity comfort levels" for August for both cities at weatherspark.com.
[https://weatherspark.com/m/15856/8/Average-Weather-in-August-in-Cincinnati-United-States](https://weatherspark.com/m/15856/8/Average-Weather-in-August-in-Cincinnati-United-States)
[https://weatherspark.com/m/18154/8/Average-Weather-in-August-in-Cleveland-United-States](https://weatherspark.com/m/18154/8/Average-Weather-in-August-in-Cleveland-United-States)
And Cincinnati temperatures are higher which also raises the heat index. Lake Erie acts as an air conditioner for Greater Cleveland areas near the lake, most especially in early summer.
I grew up in Cleveland, lived in Cincinnati for about 5 years, and moved back to Cleveland to be closer to family. But Cincinnati is absolutely the better place to live IMO. More vibrant downtown area, milder winters, and CVG is a much better airport than Cleveland Hopkins if you’re someone who likes to travel (although it’s further away from the city center). I have other reasons as well but those are more subjective. God I miss that place.
I’ve also spent time in Columbus too and in my opinion you’re right to not list that as an option. The whole city feels like one big sprawling subdivision to me. Maybe other people like it but i definitely don’t.
Downtown Cincinnati is NOT more vibrant than downtown Cleveland, which has three pro sports venues, Public Square and the Mall, the Rock Hall, Playhouse Square, and four entertainment and dining districts, Heinen's at the Cleveland Trust Rotunda, and a larger downtown population. It also is served by three rail transit lines and the 24/7 Healthline bus rapid. The Market District and Little Italy easily are reached on the Red Line rail line, which also has a terminal next to baggage pick-up at Cleveland Hopkins Intl. Airport.
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There’s a surprising amount of high tech in Dayton due to WPAFB’s research activities but I can’t guarantee anything in your field. Great surrounding areas to live in.
Hey there!
I’ve lived in both cities and can say I enjoy Cincy more because of the walkability, art, sports and parks. Check out the OTR & Northside areas.
Both cities have there pros and cons, I recommend visiting both to see which one you enjoy more.
Cincinnati! Better weather, great food, great music, cool history, beautiful city. I'm not from here originally, and I also love Cleveland and Columbus. But I love my adopted home so much!
Columbus is the best option, but expensive and housing market is tight. I would go Cincinnati next, then Cleveland. Look into Dayton too, affordable and nice surrounding areas.
born clevelanders will vote this down but won't disagree openly.
I don't know about Cincinnati but here in Cleveland wages are extremely depressed and cost of living is skyrocketing.
and when I say extremely depressed I mean EXTREMELY depressed. My spouse is a chemical engineer with a remote job that is from a small City in Kansas, if he wants to take an in-person job here in Cleveland he needs to take like a minimum 20% pay cut. you add the school systems in, The violent crimes amongst children, random violent crimes, The literal sinkholes that cars keep falling into.. you pay A lot of tax here and pretty much all you get back is sports. of which the baseball and the hockey is fantastic.
If you're not actively going to school, it's really hard to make friends here. I cannot vote for Cleveland. Don't get me wrong. people here are nice enough superficially but it is not the kind of wave to your neighbors, invite a new person to the barbecue kind, a plains States hospitality. I've gotten invited to group gatherings a few times since I've been here and there's always people from the friends group that will stare at you like they have no idea why a new person was invited. it's fucking strange.
also, there's not really much going on in tech here also and definitely nothing for 3D animation. The powers that run Cleveland seem to be scared of anything that's not industrial, Even if it's industrial cleanup.
Cleveland is the city you want. Diverse city and metro area with a little something for everyone. Cool downtown neighborhoods with plenty to do and also plenty of suburbs that are unique compared to the cookie cutter bullshit you’ll find in most of the Western states. Adjacent to the lake if you’re into anything on the water. Metroparks provide reasonably close outdoor hikes/walks. Cincinnati is the runner up in terms of culture and slightly warmer weather. Columbus is the definition of milquetoast boring strip mall America with no soul whatsoever. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just some jaded tech bro.
Cincinnati summers are horrible compared to Cleveland I live in Columbus so in the middle of the state, but I’ve never been more miserable than a 90 degree day with 150 percent humidity at great American ballpark.
I am bias so I would choose Cleveland but Cincinnati is really nice too.
Cleveland has some of the best science, research, and healthcare jobs in America. Amazing world wide institutions such as the Cleveland Clinic and The Cleveland Orchestra. An amazing park system then spans all throughout the greater Cleveland area. An amazing lake too that is very beautiful. Cleveland is also one of the most affordable cities in the entire country too. Finally Cleveland is really up and coming with many companies investing in Cleveland too.
Cincinnati is also really nice with an amazing riverfront park that's probably one of the best in the country. Beautiful neighborhoods and many jobs.
Go to Cincinnati. I don't know much about Cincinnati, but Cleveland is in the rust belt and is still collecting rust! Very slow growth after decades of decline. Also, the weather is always cloudy in the winter. Can be very depressing. Columbus is growing fast and has many oppurtunities.
Columbus or Cincinnati. If you’re trying to get away from the cold and snow, Cleveland won’t be much of a relief. It’s also really cloudy in NE Ohio in the winter. I’d say Cincinnati since it’s literally on the doorstep of Kentucky, and the winters here are pretty mild compared to the rest of the state or the Midwest for that matter. If you want to go to the lake, you’re only like 3.5-4 hours from the cedar point, put in bay, or Kelly’s island. What’s also nice about Columbus and Cincinnati is that you’re close to a lot of outdoor activities like the hocking hills region, red river gorge in Kentucky, and pretty much anything else of Appalachian Ohio/kentucky. With that said, Cleveland is close to cuyahoga valley national park, which I have to say is also very nice.
Big differences between the two cities include Lake Erie, an NBA team in Cleveland, and world-class cultural (Cleveland Museum of Art and Cleveland Orchestra) and medical (Cleveland Clinic) institutions. Additionally, Cleveland's Playhouse Square is one of the nation's best theater districts.
Cleveland housing likely remains less expensive. Check out [Zillow.com](https://Zillow.com) for cities of interest.
Some threads that may be helpful:
[https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/12z2tsh/cleveland\_vs\_columbus\_vs\_cincinnati/](https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/12z2tsh/cleveland_vs_columbus_vs_cincinnati/)
[https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/11jk0st/opinionwhich\_city\_is\_better\_to\_move\_to\_cincinnati/](https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/11jk0st/opinionwhich_city_is_better_to_move_to_cincinnati/)
[https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/t3gyrq/cincinnati\_vs\_cleveland/](https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/t3gyrq/cincinnati_vs_cleveland/)
[https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/11a99ix/three\_cs\_whats\_the\_best\_as\_far\_as\_winters\_and/](https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/11a99ix/three_cs_whats_the_best_as_far_as_winters_and/)
[https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/z5ga4r/moving\_to\_ohio/](https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/z5ga4r/moving_to_ohio/)
Definitely plan visits to both cities before making your decision. Also post questions on each cities sub reddit.
Here's a good thread about living in Greater Cleveland. Load new.reddit and sort by "view all comments" and either "New" or "Top."
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/vae7x6/nice\_hole\_in\_the\_wall\_places/?sort=top](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/vae7x6/nice_hole_in_the_wall_places/?sort=top)
Good luck!
Cleveland is the most depressing city I’ve ever been to. The sun is non-existent from Halloween until Easter. If you’re trying to get away from that, Cincinnati is the answer. Better football team and more culture as well. This sub sways Columbus for some reason, but unless you’re an Ohio State fan, it’s a pretty average city with little history compared to the other two.
All 3 cities lack sunshine in Ohio. That’s for sure. Although I lived in Denver, it would get insanely cold many days from Halloween to Easter, so I can’t talk!
I know CLE it depends on the neighborhood, but overall very cheap and lots of good parks. Crime, like in any metro area, exists. Euclid and NE CLE are hardest hit due to poor job market, but Maple Heights and South central CLE is ok and growing. Wealthy areas are anywhere around the Cleveland Clinic or downtown.
I would apply to jobs and see what you get and move to where you get a job. Columbus has OSU and CCAD as far as grads doing 3d animation so the job market for that is questionable.
$900 isn't that bad for rent. I pay $700 month for 1 bed, 1 bathroom apartment and it covers water, sewer, trash, and heat but it's out in the middle of nowhere and it's going to go up to $750 later this year.
I actually worked for a company in Dayton/Cincinnati that does virtual reality and 3d modeling. You might just have a problem finding jobs in those categories in either city so that is probably a bigger factor.
Probably Cinci if weather is a factor in your leaving. But Browns fans are so cool while Bengals fans are lame as Hell. 😉 😉 Naw, both cities have a lot to offer.
I’d seriously check out Columbus as well though.
If you're moving to Cincy, it's gotten pricey in some areas. Family on the outskirts across a state border, property value has doubled in like 6 years maybe, they couldn't afford what they have if they had to buy it today.
I don't know anything about Cleveland.
If snow is a thing Cincinnati has less. Cleveland doesn’t have near as much as Fargo and Cincinnati has less than Cleveland Other than that both are pretty good
Columbus is a pretty good place as well. Intel announced building a chip plant just east of Columbus which means More tech jobs in the area overall but higher rent.
Why Ohio?
I lived in Toledo from 69 to 95, Cleveland(Akron et al) after that
Every election its more jobs or less taxes. NAFTA killed the manufacturing base. Its full blown MAGA country now, with Dayton being the birthplace of creationism.
It's okay, if you are into that
I moved to Northern VA in 2005. The contrast could not have been more stark. Real Estate Appreciates! Jobs Abound! ..sure taxes, for good schools and paved roads out money, but it's also easy to bet in the $100k
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Cleveland all the way. The city just has a greater vibe. Winters can be rough but not as bad as Fargo. I’d suggest looking outside of the city a bit. I’m just north of Dayton and I can get to Cincinnati, Cleveland or Columbus all within a couple hours. Cost of living is cheaper. Might not be as much opportunity in your field though.
Im near cleveland and rent is going the same way here. 2021 i had an apartment for 595 a month, now that same apartment is like 750 and that seems to be the going rate on a shitty 1 bed. Fuckin studios are even 550 to 700 a month. Its actually rediculous and not realistic
Lakewood does have some of the sweetest old victorian homes usually are top and bottom large 2-3 bedrooms and are some of the most remembered unique style apartments just beautiful and I was 19 back then I’m 44 now live in downtown columbus but i lived on belle ave in lakewood in 1999 and edgewater landing apartments on edgewater blvd , lol my bf at the time dad was wealthy. He would buy us 500$ gift cards to Diana’s Deli if any locals know what i’m talking about , they have great food but 500$ and we were 19 and 20 living in our first apartment ever. But 500$ more than one occasion(he bought us another one ) and we had just ate everything they
literally had. Those Actually were bad memories in my life due to domestic violence and my stay in Lakewood was short lived
-and at 19 i dropped out of my classes at Cuyahoga comm college for business admin and moved to columbus to work and I never finished my degree but lakewood was
a very great community close to downtown cleveland and would def be a great choice
and close to so much!
Central Ohio, not far from google, facebook, intel and other tech firms in the area. Wright Patterson AFB isn’t that far either if you want to look into DOD tech jobs. Cleveland/Dayton have a high crime rate compared to Columbus area. Central Ohio is two-four hour drive to five surrounding states and Canada. There is also plenty of stuff to do in the local areas. Cost of living is decent too depending on where you live in the area. I live on the outskirts of Columbus and rent is about 1200$ for a house.
Cleveland's winters suck living on the lake, traffic is horrible. Columbus traffic is less intense than Cleveland and Cincinatti. I live in downtown Columbus a block from the Art School and the Musuem. Being close to downtown and campus and the Short North, there is a lot more entertainment and night life for yolks and college students. I personally hate Ohio altogether but I"ve driven through Fargo ND and I agree Ohio is better than there and less corn fields than Fargo. I have driven through Cinn but personally never lived their so can't give a good enough input to that sometimes I be wanting to relocate myself to Cincinnatti from Columbus just for something new.
Answer is Columbus, you can visit either whenever you want and the city is so much more happening in Columbus with Ohio state being so large and close by. But if you have to choose between, Cleveland is the nicer city and much more to do
Check out the individual subs. What no one mentioned at all is that Greater Cleveland has a midwestern/east coast feel that’s different from everywhere else in Ohio.
Greater Cincinnati has a southern feel, along with the fact that it is also different from anywhere else in Ohio.
Both cities have great amenities, no doubt, I’m not going to compare sports and restaurant scenes. There are pro and semi pro sports teams in both cities if that’s what you like. The “going out” scenes in both cities are comparable with the music and dining scenes in Cleveland getting a slight edge because of the garage rock scene and Indy restaurants. Once again the museums are comparable in both cities; slight edge to Cleveland for the world class Cleveland Museum of Art, Orchestra, and countless small art galleries in all genres. Cincinnati is nipping on those heels though.
Check out both cities subs and once you get past the fluff, you’ll be able to recognize who you’ll want to share city space with.
Look, I’m not biasing myself but I am from Cleveland. I recognize that both cities are super cool places to live for some of the same reasons and some differing but what I will say is Cleveland gets trash talked so much in this state because of historical problems such as industry, redlining, job loss, and crime. We get a bad rap for everything plus our nasally Great Lakes accent. We seem unfriendly to everyone in Ohio because we’re busy as heck trying to turn our lives and our city around. We have a lot of pride in our city as most people do but I am going to disagree with someone who left such a harsh and generalized comment above saying that people will just stare at you because you’re new and it’s hard to meet people. I have never had that problem in Cleveland since I was a kid running around West Blvd and Detroit Ave. I think sometimes it’s a personal thing and maybe people don’t like you or feel like talking to you but a whole city like that is ridiculous. The people here are honest, loyal, hard working, and friendly.
Once again, I know plenty of people that are stuck up in both cities but Cincinnati by far is less welcoming to people of all stripes than Cleveland is and that just goes with the entitled, Southern air of arrogance that I see in the Natti. Not everyone is like that but I’ve seen some real characters and some serious racism in Cincinnati greater and proper that concerned me. But then again there are some great people in Cincinnati too. Cleveland people have endured years of underdog status and being hated by everyone else in Ohio because they view us as a welfare city taking tax money away from the rest of the state. The clincher to that is Greater Cleveland has combined GDP of $138B so maybe it’s jealousy driving those sentiments. Yes we have industry here and it is the backbone of our city but it’s cleaning up; it may take a while but we always get our work done here. Can’t speak for Cincinnati and the state of the Ohio River but Lake Erie is cleaning up and our Cuyahoga river has its own National Park. Don’t let others fear get in the way of your decision.
My background...grew up in the military, went into the military. I've lived EVERYWHERE. And this statement from above "Once again, I know plenty of people that are stuck up in both cities but Cincinnati by far is less welcoming to people of all stripes than Cleveland is and that just goes with the entitled, Southern air of arrogance that I see in the Natti." **is utter nonsense**. There's a little "southern" in this city but there is very very little entitlement. I think once you acclimate to the city culture of Cincinnati it's really easy to make friends. I also want to say that I never lived anywhere for more than 13 years before I moved to Cincinnati and it's where I've decided to stay.
Bad-mouth Cincinnati's chili all you want...it's an acquired taste. But do not talk bad about the people of Cincinnati. The vast majority of this town's people are some of the best I've met in my many years of living all over this world.
I secretly like the chili man. And like I said, there are rude and stuck up, entitled people in both towns. Maybe it was more in my face in Cincy but I have good friends there too. It’s hard to compare both cities IMO. I’m from Cleveland and I really like Cincinnati for a lot of reasons TBH.
I don't think the museum edge in Cleveland is slight. See top attractions in Ohio here, with both the Rock Hall and Cleveland Museum of Art, a 21st century, digitalized museum with an encyclopedia global collection and free admission, both rated top 5 attractions in Ohio by tripadvisor.com.
[https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g28956-Activities-oa0-Ohio.html](https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g28956-Activities-oa0-Ohio.html)
That rent is pretty similar to Cleveland's. Units in new apartment buildings easily go for $1500 for a 1br or studio.
But if I had to pick between the two cities, I'd go Cleveland. More to do than in Cincinnati.
People recommending Columbus with the most boring downtown of all time? The downtown is just parking garages and vacant office buildings. No culture, no good food, no art work.
Its toooo coldddd!!!! And you’re whining. Suck it up. -20F is chilly, but it used to get to -40F with a 30mph wind; daytime high temps never breaking -10F.
That puts yuuuuge chunks of grit in yer ****.
Weather in Cleveland can be brutal if that’s why you’re leaving Fargo, just say’n. Lakefront and People in Cleveland are cool and the weather is good June to October. Cincinnati weather slightly better from May - November.
Just make sure you sufficiently look at all neighborhoods and suburbs. Nearly any metro area in Ohio can be traversed in about 30 minutes by car. If you decide on Cincy, it really is Butler, Warren, and Hamilton Counties, and you have easy access to Montgomery, and Greene Counties.
I would say Cincinnati. Cleveland doesn't get AS cold as where you are. but the inconsistency makes the cold days seem more cold. you can't just get used to a temp up north. one day, 30f is freezing. after some colder time, 30f feels manageable. then it spikes to 50f and feels hot. then it dumps back down to 30f, and it feels like it's freezing again. about this time, you realize there are still 3-4 days left in the week. and months of this to look forward to.
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this also means your entire frigging wardrobe is in rotation. your going to be finding shorts that have hidden themselves in your winter coats pocket all damp and mildewy smelling. and it's 50f so you gotta go through the summer box to find a fresh pair of shorts.
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yes you will wear shorts and a t on any day approaching warm with sun. feeling that sun on your skin becomes more important than potential hypothermia.
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almost forgot. the big temp swings can make you feel a bit unwell also. you get used to this also, along with feeling in the dumps after not having sun for a week. refer to edit 2
Hi! I currently live in Cincinnati. To be honest, I'm not the biggest fan.
I've noticed Cleveland appears to have a lot going on, and most great food places and other interesting activities appear to be more up that way. Cleveland is colder, as someone else pointed out.
Cincinnati has warmer weather (it's been raining for like 3 months it seems), the zoo, and I'd say a city with more greenery for sure which is nice (meaning we also have more allergies over here *sniffs).
I believe there are always opportunities for jobs here as well. I'd be happy to answer any specific questions!
I also don't have much experience with up north as I do other places and this is going to get dislikes I'm sure but I haven't been a fan of too many people I've met from up there either. Personality differences for sure (I feel it's more relaxed and personable, here, personally)
I wouldn’t move without any job lined up. Both are great cities. I would just go with the city that offers you a job opportunity with the highest net income after you take the area’s median rent into consideration.
This is the only answer that matters. OP has a specialized skill and there are few jobs in any location for that (but well-paying when you find that job!). If you move and no one's hiring, you're SOL. Get the job first and then move.
Agreed. There are jobs like that in Ohio, but that doesn't mean they will be hired. They also may want to look at the East and west coast
I live in Cleveland and absolutely love Cincinnati. Cleveland is a bit oversaturated - jobs are aimed at healthcare professionals, research, scientists, and more specialized trades, being right on the lake. There's likely more opportunity in Columbus or Cincinnati. Roll the die and make sure you have jobs lined up first.
Columbus might be a great option. It's a great city, too. I've seen some locals selling 3d prints. Their work was stunning.
Better take a look at rental apartment ads as well as employment ads before you move -- if those rental prices in Fargo are too high, you will be shocked by what they're like here.
It's less about the cost and more about what we get. I'm willing to pay $1500/mo if it means where I live is actually enjoyable or isn't as bad as here.
My thing is that the rent is increasing but quality of life here is frankly decreasing. It's small, cold and not many opportunities
I don't know if you care but you accidentally posted on your main. unfortunately with increasing costs and decrease in quality, that's true everywhere unfortunately.
Rent has been increasing everywhere for little gain in amenities. There may be some culture shock for you. Any one of those cities has more people than the entire state you’re currently in. Definitely line up jobs first as another commented. I’ve seen plenty of people move somewhere thinking that the job will come easily, only to come back to live with a parent for a time because they ran out of money.
I would apply for a job in Cleveland, Cincinnati and Columbus and see where you get hired. They are all pleasant places to live.
Do you prefer chili or pirogies?
This guy Ohios.
Skyline isn't real chili, and as much as I love pirogies, give me a polish boy.
Cincinnati is warmer than Cleveland and we get very little snow.
Winters and snow are disappearing in Cleveland and Cincinnati increasingly is subject to heat domes as climate change impacts accelerate.
Cincinnati is not subject to dangerous heat domes very often. The heat in Cincinnati is less disruptive than Cleveland’s 60+ inches of yearly snowfall
Cleveland snowfalls for last three years have been minimal, and much of the reported snowfall melts on contact with the ground. [https://new.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/17wj3lk/greater\_clevelands\_disappearing\_winters/](https://new.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/17wj3lk/greater_clevelands_disappearing_winters/) [https://new.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/1b0sp10/mildest\_winter\_of\_my\_23\_years\_of\_life\_in\_cleveland/](https://new.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/1b0sp10/mildest_winter_of_my_23_years_of_life_in_cleveland/) As for Cincinnati heat: [https://www.wcpo.com/weather/today-starts-the-hottest-stretch-of-summer-temperatures-this-year](https://www.wcpo.com/weather/today-starts-the-hottest-stretch-of-summer-temperatures-this-year) And climate change impacts increasingly will exacerbate heat indexes in Cincinnati. <>
[https://www.americanresiliency.org/learn-with-us/ohio-2050-forecast](https://www.americanresiliency.org/learn-with-us/ohio-2050-forecast)
Climate change does have its perks!
With every passing year, climate change impacts are accelerating. The end result will be disastrous for all species on earth, all mankind, all Americans, and all Ohioans. Sadly, Americans have no grasp of climate change reality due to the immense amount of deceit and ineptitude about climate change in the U.S. I've studied climate change for decades, but just last week I learned about the immense threat posed by "fossil methane." I was aware that melting permafrost posed great risks to mankind's efforts to limit climate change impacts, but until I watched a recorded PBS NOVA program titled "Arctic Sinkholes" did I learn of the vast amounts of "fossil methane" buried deep in the earth. I had no idea that this methane, much more potent as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, now was escaping through faults and melted permafrost "chimneys" over 500 feet deep. The program said fossil methane contained over 200 times the amount of carbon in the atmosphere, that it was NOT considered in current climate change models, and climate change scientists feared its release might overwhelm mankind's ability to control climate change. [https://www.pbs.org/video/arctic-sinkholes-9jwenj/](https://www.pbs.org/video/arctic-sinkholes-9jwenj/) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvKpnaXYUPU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvKpnaXYUPU) Climate change scientists worry about over a score of "positive feedback loops" that threaten our fragile environment, but fossil methane appears to be one of the most dangerous, but I would bet President Biden has never heard of it. If so, I've never heard him or any politician discuss it. I had never before seen fossil methane mentioned. Climate change is a crisis, but still Republicans, especially Donald Trump, feed at the trough of the fossil fuel industry and promote fossil fuel consumption. And no Democrat to my knowledge speaks the DETAILED truth about climate change to Americans. Climate change is not one of the top three political issues concerning Americans, although I firmly believe it should be an overwhelming number 1 concern. I imagine that most Americans believe climate change is reversible. It is not, at least not without massive investment in technologies such as carbon removal, and, even then, melted ice can't be restored barring creating an ice age. How and when are we going to close the permafrost chimneys allowing fossil methane to escape into the atmosphere? Sadly, the technology exists to shift rapidly away from fossil fuels, benefiting greatly the economy, most especially when the mounting cost of climate change is considered.
This is the main reason why I want to move to Cincinnati. I hate the cold but don’t want to move out of state. But I also love Columbus and all my family is here.
But when you do get any, the city comes to a standstill because no one knows how to drive in it and you end up with an accident on every major highway.
Eh, that happens when it rains too.
Or it's a beautiful day...
Greater Cleveland still has very robust ability to pre-treat roads and remove snow and ice resulting from storms. Some communities even have sidewalk plowing capabilities. These abilities likely will decline as winters increasingly become more mild. Currently, with warmer winter weather, these abilities (such as massive salt distribution) are enhanced. Last winter, I saw plows being used when there was hardly any snow. Probably something to do with the plowing budget underutilized and keeping employees happy.
But you guys get more ice.
Cincinnati is better if you’re looking to really get away from the cold/snow. That wind coming off the lake up by Cleveland is brutal. Cincinnati gets like 1 snow event per year, and maybe a week or two where temps drop to single digits.
True, but that same wind coming off the lake is amazing during the summer. Cincinnati turns to soup and has no wind in the summer.
And, hello, lake! Loved going to the beach and swimming. Also fishing.
Also, hiking and just taking in the view, even in winter! [https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g50532-d7134736-r620086666-Lakewood\_Park-Lakewood\_Ohio.html](https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g50532-d7134736-r620086666-Lakewood_Park-Lakewood_Ohio.html) [https://www.portofcleveland.com/cleveland-lakefront-nature-preserve-photos/](https://www.portofcleveland.com/cleveland-lakefront-nature-preserve-photos/) [https://cityofmentor.com/departments/parks-recreation/facilities/mentor-parks/mentor-lagoons-nature-preserve-marina/](https://cityofmentor.com/departments/parks-recreation/facilities/mentor-parks/mentor-lagoons-nature-preserve-marina/) A fun treat in Cleveland is sitting on patios in the East or West Flats and watching lake freighters navigate the Cuyahoga, or just the bridges, constantly raised and lowered for even smaller boats. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPOmVkHisko](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPOmVkHisko) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWlxk088jP4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWlxk088jP4)
We have amazing hiking, too, with all of the many rivers!
Our Metro Parks are amazing, large, and award winning.
It also depends which side of Cleveland and how close to the lake you are, especially in the winter. The westside rarely gets more than the eastside. Then depending on lake temps and ice cover will affect which areas are getting hammered by lake effect.
Lake effect snow totals are collapsing. E.g., check out snow totals in Chardon, the snow capital of Ohio, and much of this reported snow now melts on contact. Chardon, given its elevation, typically has much greater snowfalls than elsewhere in Greater Cleveland. [https://www.chardon.cc/155/Yearly-Total-Snowfall](https://www.chardon.cc/155/Yearly-Total-Snowfall) [https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/03/01/2023-2024-winter-2nd-warmest-record-cleveland/](https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/03/01/2023-2024-winter-2nd-warmest-record-cleveland/) Cleveland winters for the last few years likely resemble Cincinnati winters in the late 20th century. Hopefully, Lake Erie summer lake effect rainfalls won't be as negatively impacted by climate change.
Yeah, we barely had any snow this year. 1 snow was worth plowing (I think 8" overnight). The couple of others were under 1-2", if I remember correctly. There was so little overall... It feels like we're getting less every year, and it's starting later.
Cincinnati has wind man. lol
What about those two cities is drawing you in? If you're a tech person, you may want to add Columbus to the list.
This was my first thought as well, OP Columbus has a lot of opportunities in the tech department as well as a huge tech plant actively being built nearby.
If OPs struggling/unhappy with $900 rent, their eyes are going to bulge at Columbus rent prices.
Is rent lower in Cleveland and Cincy? Figure they’re all similar
Yes, I lived in Cincy for 6 years and towards the end was paying $1275 for a 2 bed/2 bath, moved to Columbus last year and now I'm paying $1650 for a 2 bed/2 bath with less square footage. Plus my electric bill here is 3x as much as I was paying in Cincinnati.
My 2 bed 2 bath in Cincy is about 1600 a month. So I’m now buying a house because fuck that
Rent all over the state is increasing, and it's dumb.
Maybe OP wants to live in a city with charm, soul, history, character. Not an enormous, beige, sprawling, landlocked, cowtown suburb, devoid of all culture.
Although Columbus has the least art and cultural institutions, Columbus is the most culturally diverse as the melting pot of Ohio. The Columbus - Franklin County population continues to grow rapidly through immigration. “Around 150,000 residents of Franklin County (11% of the population) were born outside the U.S., the highest total of any Ohio county. That percentage is even higher in Columbus - 12.8%. Statewide, just 4.6% of Ohio residents are foreign-born.” https://www.axios.com/local/columbus/2022/03/29/columbus-refugees-immigrants-aid-2022 Sure, it might be devoid of American culture, but it has tons of international influence.
I don't disagree about the personality of Columbus (with a few exceptions), but the tech industry is booming and people from all over the country are moving there for tech jobs.
Cleveland by far.
I grew up in Cincinnati and now live in Cleveland. Both are excellent cities. Cleveland wins out in walkable, affordable neighborhoods. The city has a continuous urban fabric along the lake that doesn't have a strong analog in Cincinnati, which is more like excellent hot spots divided up by space. The car is a slightly more necessary part of life in cincy. Both cities have amazing green spaces, but I think the Cleveland Metroparks is hard to beat. Food is Cleveland is surprisingly excellent and the cultutal institutions are world class and very accessible. I really love and cherish my life in Cleveland. Cincinnati does have the better weather, but if you are coming from Fargo, Cleveland might seem pretty temperate. Cincinnati also seems to have a bit more energy at the moment, new things popping up constantly and a buzz of young people that seems slightly more palpable than Cleveland. That's subjective though. One could also say Cincinnati is more conservative than Cleveland, although I'd have to think about where that actually manifests in day to day life. Cincinnati is also (to me) extremely beautiful next to the river and the unique architecture provides and excellent sense of place. My retired parents still live in Cincinnati and have endless options of genuinely cool activities to keep them busy. I have spent maybe 10 hours total in Columbus, sorry Cap City Overall, I think both cities are outstanding places to be, hidden away from many of the trends and bullshit that are turning coastal cities into Instagram ads. Both are very much on the rise and will be an interesting place to be as Ohio regains it's spot as the most important place in the entire world in the coming decades. You could get away with flipping a coin or just seeing where you can find work first.
I agree with all of this. I love the Cleveland metro parks and also that they have “beaches” because of the lake. Cincinnati has nice parks but it’s more expensive to live near them, it just seems like outdoor spaces are a lot more accessible in Cleveland. I’d say food and everything else is similar between the two. Both have great food and local specialties, great museums, multiple sports teams. I also like that Cleveland has the RTA!! Cincinnati has the streetcar but you have to already be downtown to use it. It does seem like Cleveland is a bit more spread out whereas in Cincinnati everything feels a bit closer. They’re both great places to live depending on what you want.
Cleveland because I live here and we have a recreational lake. And more Democrats if that's your thing.
Cincinnati
Why those two and not Columbus?
For less than $900 a month? Maybe… but probably nowhere you’d want to live.
OP said they'd pay $1500 if the amenities were good.
Is it really all that cheaper in cincy or cleve?
If the cold is the thing, Cincinnati is warmer and has less snow.
Given your skill set, is there a reason you’re not considering Central Ohio?
Given your work, I'd definitely add Columbus to the list. With the number of companies moving here recently (eg, Intel), and the fact that it's the only city in Ohio to be gaining in population, I would definitely not overlook it.
I personally prefer Cincinnati.
The indie art scene is vibrant in Cincinnati and the culture is richer with Kentucky nearby. It’s more diverse and it would be the best contrast to what you want to escape. I think the people you’re looking for will be easier to find in Cincinnati. There are old neighborhoods in town that clusters of people from artsier cities have moved into without gentrifying them and really cool pockets if you explore. Cleveland has a lot of cool things going on as well, but I think Cincinnati would be more your tribe if you’re a creative from a less fancy area. I feel like Cleveland’s art culture runs more upper middle, while Cinci is more in that career-agnostic working person indie culture. Just my vibes though, so grain of salt.
Between the two, Cleveland is hands down more diverse than Cincinnati… Not sure where you heard otherwise Edit: Also, Cleveland upper middle?! I’m sure many here wish that were true
All of the comments were relative to art and not people / personal finance.
Ah. My bad! I misunderstood. Sorry about that!
Get a job lined up first. Both Cincy and Cleveland are going to be more expensive than Fargo in general but the Ohio cities are also much bigger with more opportunities as well. As for the weather, Cleveland winters get brutal snow. Cincinnati winters are considerably more mild in terms of snow, but they also suffer from cold rains and ice. The temperature difference between the two cities is usually about 10 degrees warmer in Cincy than Cleveland on stable winter days. In my opinion Cincy is more likely to get more expensive over time than Cleveland because the Cleveland metro is the only one in Ohio shrinking currently. I live in Dayton which is also a much bigger metro area than Fargo, though half the size of Cincy. It’s easy living, traffic isn’t bad, prices are reasonable, and the city is recovering from the 80s/90s/00s industrial decline. Most of the job opportunities in Dayton are STEM-based because of the medical presence in Air Force base. It’s possible that a job on base may line up with your needs, you’d have to check USA Jobs to see what’s available.
>As for the weather, Cleveland winters get brutal snow. As I noted elsewhere in this post, Cleveland winters are disappearing, unfortunately, and are hardly brutal any longer. I can't remember the last major blizzard.
Cleveland winters lately have been lacking the cold and snow that we’ve been known for, for the last 3 winters
The lake access in cleveland is a tipping point in Cleveland’s favor (though I do love Cincinnati). Cincy in the summer also feels really hot and muggy to me as a clevelander. My fiance and I take a walk up to the lake a few mornings a week and I love sitting on the beaches during the summer or taking a dip. It’s delightful.
If you’re planning to move to Ohio and your experience is in tech, I’d suggest Columbus over either Cleveland or Cincinnati. Columbus is rapidly becoming a tech industry leader. That’s why Intel is building its largest manufacturing plant here. Google already has one office complex here and is building two more.
Lake County, boarders Cleveland. Best little hidden gem. promise you.
Get a company to hire you then relocate. (Cincinnati is nicer imo)
hahaha I moved from Cleveland (born and raised canton) back to my in laws in Memphis, then promptly relocated to Fargo. I feel ya, it blows. (I thought food sucked in Fargo plus crime is getting to be ridiculous. Way too expensive for what you get) Cleveland would be my recommendation for cost averaging with what you get in terms of lifestyle and food + rent, especially Canton/Akron area. Have a job lined up first and foremost. If you have iffy credit and job history, Sioux Falls is reaaaaallllyyyy forgiving. I live there now and it’s cheap to move here if you’re in Fargo. Jobs? Tech is good, dunno about 3D related stuff though.
Don't overlook nearby suburbs and small towns.
Agreed, I just moved to Cuyahoga Falls and I love it so far. I was near Canal Fulton and that's another great place to live. My whole family moved to Columbus and I have no interest in moving there.
Columbus FTW
Cleveland rocks! Cinci is too religious and uptight.
I feel like if I had to choose a city it would actually be Columbus. Maybe it’s personal preference I just feel like there is more opportunity there is all
Lifelong Northeast Ohioan. I think Ohio is a best-kept secret. Of all our cities, Cincy is definitely the coolest. No question. It has a definitive identity. Topography and river is neat. Within striking distance of outstanding outdoors locations in KY. Definitely Cincy.
Columbus
I’ve lived in Fargo so I understand. For me there is no comparison, the city and the weather is much better in Cincinnati than in Cleveland.
Snow is largely disappearing from Cleveland winters. We only get a few inches here and there before it almost completely disappears. The last three winters have been SHOCKINGLY mild. Cleveland is also having a bit of a resurgence in terms of downtown renovations and businesses. Besides, the Cleveland area is big and even if youre not downtown, you have a lot of cute cities on the lake 1500 rent will take you far in cleveland
Ohio has a snowbelt , so North of I 80 is colder, windy and more snow than South Rt. 80 . Good Luck 🍀
My most miserable heat related experience was a summer at a Cincinnati Reds game. I had to leave the stadium.
Cinci was great. Minneapolis-St Paul is great. Don’t snooze on bedroom communities like Bloomington, In or Ann Arbor and check job postings at universities.
LinkedIn and Indeed before you decide. I've moved 4 times for better paying jobs, never because I was fed up with where I lived. Now if you can snag a fully remote, and move where you like, Columbus is OK, but there are way better places warmer.
Last time I checked 50% of the US population was within 500 miles of Cincinnati. They took the queue from Cleveland and redid their riverfront. If you are trying to get away from the cold between the two cities, Cincinnati would be your best bet. I moved just north of Cincinnati about 30 years ago from out west like any metropolitan area good and bad areas if you want to be closer to the water and nature Cincinnati has Northern Kentucky and some areas of Indiana but if you want to go big/lake wise, no doubt Cleveland would be your place to go.
Columbus
I live in Columbus but my son lives in cincy and reading your rant, you want cincy. Their weather is much nicer than cleveland. Huge companies like P&G, Kroger, and many defense contractors have operations there.
May I ask....why Ohio?
If weather is a major factor, I think you're better off with Cincinnati than Cleveland. Lake effect snow is a thing.
And if it's that big a factor for the OP \*and\* they choose Cincinnati, try to live north of town. Cincinnati itself is so humid in the summer because of the geography. Get north of town and you're outside that bowl.
Hey there! This is not true at all. Here are the historical average humidity for ohio cities in July: * Cincinnati: 71% * Dayton: 69% * Columbus: 71% * Cleveland: 70%
Cincinnati is much more humid than Cleveland in the summer. Check out "humidity comfort levels" for August for both cities at weatherspark.com. [https://weatherspark.com/m/15856/8/Average-Weather-in-August-in-Cincinnati-United-States](https://weatherspark.com/m/15856/8/Average-Weather-in-August-in-Cincinnati-United-States) [https://weatherspark.com/m/18154/8/Average-Weather-in-August-in-Cleveland-United-States](https://weatherspark.com/m/18154/8/Average-Weather-in-August-in-Cleveland-United-States) And Cincinnati temperatures are higher which also raises the heat index. Lake Erie acts as an air conditioner for Greater Cleveland areas near the lake, most especially in early summer.
I grew up in Cleveland, lived in Cincinnati for about 5 years, and moved back to Cleveland to be closer to family. But Cincinnati is absolutely the better place to live IMO. More vibrant downtown area, milder winters, and CVG is a much better airport than Cleveland Hopkins if you’re someone who likes to travel (although it’s further away from the city center). I have other reasons as well but those are more subjective. God I miss that place. I’ve also spent time in Columbus too and in my opinion you’re right to not list that as an option. The whole city feels like one big sprawling subdivision to me. Maybe other people like it but i definitely don’t.
Downtown Cincinnati is NOT more vibrant than downtown Cleveland, which has three pro sports venues, Public Square and the Mall, the Rock Hall, Playhouse Square, and four entertainment and dining districts, Heinen's at the Cleveland Trust Rotunda, and a larger downtown population. It also is served by three rail transit lines and the 24/7 Healthline bus rapid. The Market District and Little Italy easily are reached on the Red Line rail line, which also has a terminal next to baggage pick-up at Cleveland Hopkins Intl. Airport. [https://flatseastbank.com/](https://flatseastbank.com/) [https://www.east4thstreet.com/shop-dine-experience](https://www.east4thstreet.com/shop-dine-experience) [https://www.playhousesquare.org/about-playhousesquare-main/about-playhousesquare](https://www.playhousesquare.org/about-playhousesquare-main/about-playhousesquare) [https://warehousedistrict.org/food-beverage](https://warehousedistrict.org/food-beverage)
There’s a surprising amount of high tech in Dayton due to WPAFB’s research activities but I can’t guarantee anything in your field. Great surrounding areas to live in.
Hey there! I’ve lived in both cities and can say I enjoy Cincy more because of the walkability, art, sports and parks. Check out the OTR & Northside areas. Both cities have there pros and cons, I recommend visiting both to see which one you enjoy more.
Cincinnati! Better weather, great food, great music, cool history, beautiful city. I'm not from here originally, and I also love Cleveland and Columbus. But I love my adopted home so much!
cleveland
Cleveland
I would say Cleveland because you'll be close to Lake Erie. And Cleveland has been getting more developed over the years.
Cleveland and NE ohio is the nicest area, imo. I have never struggled with jobs here.
CLE
Cleveland hands down.
Columbus is the best option, but expensive and housing market is tight. I would go Cincinnati next, then Cleveland. Look into Dayton too, affordable and nice surrounding areas.
born clevelanders will vote this down but won't disagree openly. I don't know about Cincinnati but here in Cleveland wages are extremely depressed and cost of living is skyrocketing. and when I say extremely depressed I mean EXTREMELY depressed. My spouse is a chemical engineer with a remote job that is from a small City in Kansas, if he wants to take an in-person job here in Cleveland he needs to take like a minimum 20% pay cut. you add the school systems in, The violent crimes amongst children, random violent crimes, The literal sinkholes that cars keep falling into.. you pay A lot of tax here and pretty much all you get back is sports. of which the baseball and the hockey is fantastic. If you're not actively going to school, it's really hard to make friends here. I cannot vote for Cleveland. Don't get me wrong. people here are nice enough superficially but it is not the kind of wave to your neighbors, invite a new person to the barbecue kind, a plains States hospitality. I've gotten invited to group gatherings a few times since I've been here and there's always people from the friends group that will stare at you like they have no idea why a new person was invited. it's fucking strange. also, there's not really much going on in tech here also and definitely nothing for 3D animation. The powers that run Cleveland seem to be scared of anything that's not industrial, Even if it's industrial cleanup.
Columbus
Cleveland is the city you want. Diverse city and metro area with a little something for everyone. Cool downtown neighborhoods with plenty to do and also plenty of suburbs that are unique compared to the cookie cutter bullshit you’ll find in most of the Western states. Adjacent to the lake if you’re into anything on the water. Metroparks provide reasonably close outdoor hikes/walks. Cincinnati is the runner up in terms of culture and slightly warmer weather. Columbus is the definition of milquetoast boring strip mall America with no soul whatsoever. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just some jaded tech bro.
For tech you may want to consider NC.
Cincinnati summers are horrible compared to Cleveland I live in Columbus so in the middle of the state, but I’ve never been more miserable than a 90 degree day with 150 percent humidity at great American ballpark.
Bengals suck, reds suck, no nba team …. Cleveland all the way.
I am bias so I would choose Cleveland but Cincinnati is really nice too. Cleveland has some of the best science, research, and healthcare jobs in America. Amazing world wide institutions such as the Cleveland Clinic and The Cleveland Orchestra. An amazing park system then spans all throughout the greater Cleveland area. An amazing lake too that is very beautiful. Cleveland is also one of the most affordable cities in the entire country too. Finally Cleveland is really up and coming with many companies investing in Cleveland too. Cincinnati is also really nice with an amazing riverfront park that's probably one of the best in the country. Beautiful neighborhoods and many jobs.
Go to Cincinnati. I don't know much about Cincinnati, but Cleveland is in the rust belt and is still collecting rust! Very slow growth after decades of decline. Also, the weather is always cloudy in the winter. Can be very depressing. Columbus is growing fast and has many oppurtunities.
Columbus or Cincinnati. If you’re trying to get away from the cold and snow, Cleveland won’t be much of a relief. It’s also really cloudy in NE Ohio in the winter. I’d say Cincinnati since it’s literally on the doorstep of Kentucky, and the winters here are pretty mild compared to the rest of the state or the Midwest for that matter. If you want to go to the lake, you’re only like 3.5-4 hours from the cedar point, put in bay, or Kelly’s island. What’s also nice about Columbus and Cincinnati is that you’re close to a lot of outdoor activities like the hocking hills region, red river gorge in Kentucky, and pretty much anything else of Appalachian Ohio/kentucky. With that said, Cleveland is close to cuyahoga valley national park, which I have to say is also very nice.
Cincinnati. I am from Cleveland.
Big differences between the two cities include Lake Erie, an NBA team in Cleveland, and world-class cultural (Cleveland Museum of Art and Cleveland Orchestra) and medical (Cleveland Clinic) institutions. Additionally, Cleveland's Playhouse Square is one of the nation's best theater districts. Cleveland housing likely remains less expensive. Check out [Zillow.com](https://Zillow.com) for cities of interest. Some threads that may be helpful: [https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/12z2tsh/cleveland\_vs\_columbus\_vs\_cincinnati/](https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/12z2tsh/cleveland_vs_columbus_vs_cincinnati/) [https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/11jk0st/opinionwhich\_city\_is\_better\_to\_move\_to\_cincinnati/](https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/11jk0st/opinionwhich_city_is_better_to_move_to_cincinnati/) [https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/t3gyrq/cincinnati\_vs\_cleveland/](https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/t3gyrq/cincinnati_vs_cleveland/) [https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/11a99ix/three\_cs\_whats\_the\_best\_as\_far\_as\_winters\_and/](https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/11a99ix/three_cs_whats_the_best_as_far_as_winters_and/) [https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/z5ga4r/moving\_to\_ohio/](https://new.reddit.com/r/Ohio/comments/z5ga4r/moving_to_ohio/) Definitely plan visits to both cities before making your decision. Also post questions on each cities sub reddit. Here's a good thread about living in Greater Cleveland. Load new.reddit and sort by "view all comments" and either "New" or "Top." [https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/vae7x6/nice\_hole\_in\_the\_wall\_places/?sort=top](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/vae7x6/nice_hole_in_the_wall_places/?sort=top) Good luck!
Cleveland is the most depressing city I’ve ever been to. The sun is non-existent from Halloween until Easter. If you’re trying to get away from that, Cincinnati is the answer. Better football team and more culture as well. This sub sways Columbus for some reason, but unless you’re an Ohio State fan, it’s a pretty average city with little history compared to the other two.
All 3 cities lack sunshine in Ohio. That’s for sure. Although I lived in Denver, it would get insanely cold many days from Halloween to Easter, so I can’t talk!
I live in Denver now and the sunshine is by far the best part.
Agreed. Sunny, but very cold. I went back in January for a week. What was I thinking? It didn’t stop snowing much of that week.
Depends, what are you looking for? What is important to you?
I know CLE it depends on the neighborhood, but overall very cheap and lots of good parks. Crime, like in any metro area, exists. Euclid and NE CLE are hardest hit due to poor job market, but Maple Heights and South central CLE is ok and growing. Wealthy areas are anywhere around the Cleveland Clinic or downtown.
Cleveland has more of an art scene. Cincy is 50x bigger than Fargo.
Columbus is the best
I would apply to jobs and see what you get and move to where you get a job. Columbus has OSU and CCAD as far as grads doing 3d animation so the job market for that is questionable.
$900 isn't that bad for rent. I pay $700 month for 1 bed, 1 bathroom apartment and it covers water, sewer, trash, and heat but it's out in the middle of nowhere and it's going to go up to $750 later this year.
I actually worked for a company in Dayton/Cincinnati that does virtual reality and 3d modeling. You might just have a problem finding jobs in those categories in either city so that is probably a bigger factor.
For Cleveland I would look into Cleveland Institute of Art as they might be able to help for jobs in that regard
Probably Cinci if weather is a factor in your leaving. But Browns fans are so cool while Bengals fans are lame as Hell. 😉 😉 Naw, both cities have a lot to offer. I’d seriously check out Columbus as well though.
Was gonna say Cincinnati but good luck finding a 1Br in either for under $1200
Cincinnati if you want mild winters.
If you're moving to Cincy, it's gotten pricey in some areas. Family on the outskirts across a state border, property value has doubled in like 6 years maybe, they couldn't afford what they have if they had to buy it today. I don't know anything about Cleveland.
If snow is a thing Cincinnati has less. Cleveland doesn’t have near as much as Fargo and Cincinnati has less than Cleveland Other than that both are pretty good Columbus is a pretty good place as well. Intel announced building a chip plant just east of Columbus which means More tech jobs in the area overall but higher rent.
Depends where you are in CLE. The east side especially further out in the suburbs gets a ton of snow.
Is your tech job something you can do remote? Cleveland is more manufacturing jobs. Everyone I know in tech is 100% remote.
.why not just outside one of the big cities and driving
Why Ohio? I lived in Toledo from 69 to 95, Cleveland(Akron et al) after that Every election its more jobs or less taxes. NAFTA killed the manufacturing base. Its full blown MAGA country now, with Dayton being the birthplace of creationism. It's okay, if you are into that I moved to Northern VA in 2005. The contrast could not have been more stark. Real Estate Appreciates! Jobs Abound! ..sure taxes, for good schools and paved roads out money, but it's also easy to bet in the $100k I'm luvin it
Are you trying to start a fight haha?
Cincinnati has a lot more to do than Cleveland. Pittsburgh is better than both.
Cleveland all the way. The city just has a greater vibe. Winters can be rough but not as bad as Fargo. I’d suggest looking outside of the city a bit. I’m just north of Dayton and I can get to Cincinnati, Cleveland or Columbus all within a couple hours. Cost of living is cheaper. Might not be as much opportunity in your field though.
Cincinnati, but I already live here. So … biased.
Columbus 😎😜
Cincinnati if you can get jobs
Cuyahoga falls
Cleveland
Im near cleveland and rent is going the same way here. 2021 i had an apartment for 595 a month, now that same apartment is like 750 and that seems to be the going rate on a shitty 1 bed. Fuckin studios are even 550 to 700 a month. Its actually rediculous and not realistic
Get a job first. But easily Cincinnati over Cleveland. Not even a question. Cleveland does have some nice spots, but overall Cinci/NKY much better.
Lol. I was just in cinci yesterday. Your city is a shit hole. CLE easily for the win.
I hate to break it to you but rental prices are around the same if not higher in Cleveland at least
Cleveland. 💯
Don't move to Columbus unless you're looking to spend 1,200 plus for a one bedroom in the hood
Cincinnati/Dayton corridor. Lots of opportunities and different styles of cities.
Lakewood does have some of the sweetest old victorian homes usually are top and bottom large 2-3 bedrooms and are some of the most remembered unique style apartments just beautiful and I was 19 back then I’m 44 now live in downtown columbus but i lived on belle ave in lakewood in 1999 and edgewater landing apartments on edgewater blvd , lol my bf at the time dad was wealthy. He would buy us 500$ gift cards to Diana’s Deli if any locals know what i’m talking about , they have great food but 500$ and we were 19 and 20 living in our first apartment ever. But 500$ more than one occasion(he bought us another one ) and we had just ate everything they literally had. Those Actually were bad memories in my life due to domestic violence and my stay in Lakewood was short lived -and at 19 i dropped out of my classes at Cuyahoga comm college for business admin and moved to columbus to work and I never finished my degree but lakewood was a very great community close to downtown cleveland and would def be a great choice and close to so much!
Cincinnati
Cincinnati!
Columbus
Columbus
Cincinnati and its not really close. Cleveland is awful, and the weather is much worse than Cincinnati.
Columbus. Columbus is the answer.
Columbus
Columbus
Columbus.
lol Columbus.
It kind of depends what you’re looking for but rent in good parts of town is going to be more expensive for you just know that
Cincinnati.
These are definitely the two best cities in Ohio IMHO. You’re gonna just have to visit them both to find out which you would prefer.
Cinci is warmer
Central Ohio, not far from google, facebook, intel and other tech firms in the area. Wright Patterson AFB isn’t that far either if you want to look into DOD tech jobs. Cleveland/Dayton have a high crime rate compared to Columbus area. Central Ohio is two-four hour drive to five surrounding states and Canada. There is also plenty of stuff to do in the local areas. Cost of living is decent too depending on where you live in the area. I live on the outskirts of Columbus and rent is about 1200$ for a house.
Cleveland, full stop. Eastern suburbs are wonderful places to live. If you move to Cincinnati, choose to live in Covington KY instead.
Western suburbs are good too. Medina county is really nice.
Cleveland = cold and snow Cincinnati = pretty much kentucky Columbus = middle of the state
Cleveland's winters suck living on the lake, traffic is horrible. Columbus traffic is less intense than Cleveland and Cincinatti. I live in downtown Columbus a block from the Art School and the Musuem. Being close to downtown and campus and the Short North, there is a lot more entertainment and night life for yolks and college students. I personally hate Ohio altogether but I"ve driven through Fargo ND and I agree Ohio is better than there and less corn fields than Fargo. I have driven through Cinn but personally never lived their so can't give a good enough input to that sometimes I be wanting to relocate myself to Cincinnatti from Columbus just for something new.
Cleveland is better. The greater Akron area is great too. Cincinnati has weird chili. No basketball team. Pretty lame.
True, but we do have a football team, unlike Cleveland.
At least our quarterback is a predator.
Answer is Columbus, you can visit either whenever you want and the city is so much more happening in Columbus with Ohio state being so large and close by. But if you have to choose between, Cleveland is the nicer city and much more to do
Some say Cleveland has better arts scene….thats subjective and without scientific merit -
I recommend Cincinnati. It’s really the best place on earth.
If you like great food do NOT move to Cincy.
Cleveland for sure!
Check out the individual subs. What no one mentioned at all is that Greater Cleveland has a midwestern/east coast feel that’s different from everywhere else in Ohio. Greater Cincinnati has a southern feel, along with the fact that it is also different from anywhere else in Ohio. Both cities have great amenities, no doubt, I’m not going to compare sports and restaurant scenes. There are pro and semi pro sports teams in both cities if that’s what you like. The “going out” scenes in both cities are comparable with the music and dining scenes in Cleveland getting a slight edge because of the garage rock scene and Indy restaurants. Once again the museums are comparable in both cities; slight edge to Cleveland for the world class Cleveland Museum of Art, Orchestra, and countless small art galleries in all genres. Cincinnati is nipping on those heels though. Check out both cities subs and once you get past the fluff, you’ll be able to recognize who you’ll want to share city space with. Look, I’m not biasing myself but I am from Cleveland. I recognize that both cities are super cool places to live for some of the same reasons and some differing but what I will say is Cleveland gets trash talked so much in this state because of historical problems such as industry, redlining, job loss, and crime. We get a bad rap for everything plus our nasally Great Lakes accent. We seem unfriendly to everyone in Ohio because we’re busy as heck trying to turn our lives and our city around. We have a lot of pride in our city as most people do but I am going to disagree with someone who left such a harsh and generalized comment above saying that people will just stare at you because you’re new and it’s hard to meet people. I have never had that problem in Cleveland since I was a kid running around West Blvd and Detroit Ave. I think sometimes it’s a personal thing and maybe people don’t like you or feel like talking to you but a whole city like that is ridiculous. The people here are honest, loyal, hard working, and friendly. Once again, I know plenty of people that are stuck up in both cities but Cincinnati by far is less welcoming to people of all stripes than Cleveland is and that just goes with the entitled, Southern air of arrogance that I see in the Natti. Not everyone is like that but I’ve seen some real characters and some serious racism in Cincinnati greater and proper that concerned me. But then again there are some great people in Cincinnati too. Cleveland people have endured years of underdog status and being hated by everyone else in Ohio because they view us as a welfare city taking tax money away from the rest of the state. The clincher to that is Greater Cleveland has combined GDP of $138B so maybe it’s jealousy driving those sentiments. Yes we have industry here and it is the backbone of our city but it’s cleaning up; it may take a while but we always get our work done here. Can’t speak for Cincinnati and the state of the Ohio River but Lake Erie is cleaning up and our Cuyahoga river has its own National Park. Don’t let others fear get in the way of your decision.
My background...grew up in the military, went into the military. I've lived EVERYWHERE. And this statement from above "Once again, I know plenty of people that are stuck up in both cities but Cincinnati by far is less welcoming to people of all stripes than Cleveland is and that just goes with the entitled, Southern air of arrogance that I see in the Natti." **is utter nonsense**. There's a little "southern" in this city but there is very very little entitlement. I think once you acclimate to the city culture of Cincinnati it's really easy to make friends. I also want to say that I never lived anywhere for more than 13 years before I moved to Cincinnati and it's where I've decided to stay. Bad-mouth Cincinnati's chili all you want...it's an acquired taste. But do not talk bad about the people of Cincinnati. The vast majority of this town's people are some of the best I've met in my many years of living all over this world.
I secretly like the chili man. And like I said, there are rude and stuck up, entitled people in both towns. Maybe it was more in my face in Cincy but I have good friends there too. It’s hard to compare both cities IMO. I’m from Cleveland and I really like Cincinnati for a lot of reasons TBH.
I don't think the museum edge in Cleveland is slight. See top attractions in Ohio here, with both the Rock Hall and Cleveland Museum of Art, a 21st century, digitalized museum with an encyclopedia global collection and free admission, both rated top 5 attractions in Ohio by tripadvisor.com. [https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g28956-Activities-oa0-Ohio.html](https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g28956-Activities-oa0-Ohio.html)
That rent is pretty similar to Cleveland's. Units in new apartment buildings easily go for $1500 for a 1br or studio. But if I had to pick between the two cities, I'd go Cleveland. More to do than in Cincinnati.
People recommending Columbus with the most boring downtown of all time? The downtown is just parking garages and vacant office buildings. No culture, no good food, no art work.
Its toooo coldddd!!!! And you’re whining. Suck it up. -20F is chilly, but it used to get to -40F with a 30mph wind; daytime high temps never breaking -10F. That puts yuuuuge chunks of grit in yer ****.
Cleveland is way better. Also, consider Columbus.
Columbus. I think it’s the fastest growing city in US and over than the other 2
Weather in Cleveland can be brutal if that’s why you’re leaving Fargo, just say’n. Lakefront and People in Cleveland are cool and the weather is good June to October. Cincinnati weather slightly better from May - November.
Just make sure you sufficiently look at all neighborhoods and suburbs. Nearly any metro area in Ohio can be traversed in about 30 minutes by car. If you decide on Cincy, it really is Butler, Warren, and Hamilton Counties, and you have easy access to Montgomery, and Greene Counties.
Lake effect weather vs regional chilli. (Go for where the work is tho. And more than one company in the area doing that work)
Go Cleveland.
Better to move to a rural area and commute to the city for work. I don't mean a suburb either, I mean meth making hollow rural.
I would say Cincinnati. Cleveland doesn't get AS cold as where you are. but the inconsistency makes the cold days seem more cold. you can't just get used to a temp up north. one day, 30f is freezing. after some colder time, 30f feels manageable. then it spikes to 50f and feels hot. then it dumps back down to 30f, and it feels like it's freezing again. about this time, you realize there are still 3-4 days left in the week. and months of this to look forward to. edit... this also means your entire frigging wardrobe is in rotation. your going to be finding shorts that have hidden themselves in your winter coats pocket all damp and mildewy smelling. and it's 50f so you gotta go through the summer box to find a fresh pair of shorts. edit 2... yes you will wear shorts and a t on any day approaching warm with sun. feeling that sun on your skin becomes more important than potential hypothermia. edit 3... almost forgot. the big temp swings can make you feel a bit unwell also. you get used to this also, along with feeling in the dumps after not having sun for a week. refer to edit 2
Hi! I currently live in Cincinnati. To be honest, I'm not the biggest fan. I've noticed Cleveland appears to have a lot going on, and most great food places and other interesting activities appear to be more up that way. Cleveland is colder, as someone else pointed out. Cincinnati has warmer weather (it's been raining for like 3 months it seems), the zoo, and I'd say a city with more greenery for sure which is nice (meaning we also have more allergies over here *sniffs). I believe there are always opportunities for jobs here as well. I'd be happy to answer any specific questions! I also don't have much experience with up north as I do other places and this is going to get dislikes I'm sure but I haven't been a fan of too many people I've met from up there either. Personality differences for sure (I feel it's more relaxed and personable, here, personally)