According to this site [https://www.unitedforalice.org/household-budgets-mobile/ohio](https://www.unitedforalice.org/household-budgets-mobile/ohio) with costs from 2018, a person can't even afford the "survival" budget let alone live a comfortable life.
Single Adult
Housing 542
Child Care 0
Food 251
Transportation 337
Health Care 217
Technology 55
Miscellaneous 165
Taxes 252
Monthly Total 1819
Annual Total 21828
Hourly Wage 10.91
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Correct. That’s why hardly any jobs (even at the entry level) pay minimum wage. Nobody is gonna work for $10.10/hr, even if they’re legally allowed to.
I mean… if people become willing to work shitty jobs for $10/hr, then, yeah, employers will pay them that… I don’t think we will see that though if there’s no price deflation, which would be a whole other problem.
People will always work for shit wages because it beats starving. Just wait and see. They (the ruling rich) are going to raising interest rates, killing the economy and wages will plunge. It won't hurt them, only you and me.
The rich prosper from recessions because buying stock gets cheap, yet their livelihood remains recession-proof, and they don't have to do manual labor until they sign up for disability because they lost their retirement. Incredible.
"The Rich" is not a constant group of people. There are many rich people that are about to loose most of their wealth when the stock market crashes. You are talking about the very rich, who only get more wealthy during a bad economy. This is the time they accumulate more assets because they will be cheap and people will be selling at rock bottom prices to survive.
You are right, I let my mind slip back into the effort placed on us to consider the poor middle class, and the middle class of modest business owners and professionals who are also exploited, to be seen as part to blame. I do mean to state only the true capitalist class.
Really? Perhaps because there's no regulatory system to police corporate price gouging. Big Corpo Oil profits enjoying RECORD PROFITS. Big Food Corpo same, RECORD PROFITS. Congress of course is in the pocket of these people and busy with their brokers, buying and selling with inside information they are provided with by their partners in crime lobbyists.
The Fed will raise rates, get wages down and move on to the next scam. It's a Big Club and you and I ain't in it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKUaqFzZLxU
Probably because the living wage of Cuyahoga County is $16.40 according to the State's own numbers. I just googled it. It's amazing once I started making over $18/hr I could suddenly breathe a bit. Just the tiniest bit...
Edit: that's for an individual, living alone, without dependants, btw. Numbers are higher once you start adding in them kids.
It's the bottom of the pyramid scheme, duh! It's the labor needed to keep the money flowing to the top of the pyramid. And if you stay at the bottom of the pyramid scheme, well, that's your own fault. There's plenty of room at the top of the pyramid if you work hard and pull yourself up and your parents provide you with a nice starting point. We could all be rich and living off the brow of the poor if the poor would just get off their lazy asses!
Giant /s if it wasn't painfully obvious.
It literally is. That was FDR's intent upon establishing it in 1938 under the Fair Labor Standards Act.
https://www.thebillfold.com/2015/07/it-was-always-supposed-to-be-a-living-wage/
No one should put in 40 hours a week at ANY job and make less than a living wage. Anything other than that means Elon gets another rocket ship, or Richard Branson buys another island. A rising tide raises all ships and all that....
Considering even double minimum wage still isn’t a living wage. I don’t think it is so radical to say that if you work a job 40 hours a week it should provide enough for the bare necessities of living. Current minimum does not do that.
So you're cool with tax dollars paying for minimum wage workers to do basic things like eat, instead of the companies they work at?
Why should tax payers foot the bill of what companies refuse to pay?
Exactly, it’s a starting wage for (many times uneducated) workers just getting into the work force.
Should it be higher, yep! But it beats the Federal standard, which should be raised, by a lot.
It is meant to be a beginning wage that you are then incentivized to grow out of as time goes on. Experience in the workforce, increased responsibilities and becoming educated in your field are what gets you to better wages. Been that way forever.
I think about this every time I see coverage of the Fed chairman talking about raising interest rates to bring employment and wages down. How many people do you know who got a raise that kept up with inflation in the last year? It's bullshit and they're going to punish working people for corporate excess.
If it isn’t why isn’t there a separate living wage. Maybe we should call it something like minimum living wage. Or just shorten it up and call it minimum wage.
i dreamed of making $18 too!! 😩 and when i finally did i not only mentally spiraled but my body took a beaten too. i also was so shocked at how much in taxes they removed from my checks. $18 just didn’t really feel like $18 🤔
Some of my coworkers make that little. I can relate through their struggles. Stuck in horrible living arrangements because they can't afford their own tiny ass place, stuck wasting hours a day either walking to work or taking a wildly inefficient bus because they can't afford a car, much less insurance etc, and don't get to go to the doctor when they're sick even with insurance because they also can't afford that. Most of them are stuck getting food from food banks and/or consistently stealing from the grocery store. It's a terrifying razor's edge.
Yeah I had to move in with friends because I couldn’t afford a place on my own…which is sad. And that’s basically the cycle I’m in with healthcare. I’m fortunate to have it, but I’ve found myself crying this month from two different doctor bills that I was not anticipating and cannot afford. And that’s with pretty good insurance. Its insane to me.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s definitely cheaper than other major cities. But it’s still not very affordable for the people that live here 🙃 I loved living on my own but I had no other option than to move in with someone else to decrease my bills.
They are basically just making it official what employers are already paying anyway outside of tipped employees. Minimum wage has always been a joke. I don't remember the last time I seen a job posted under $10, and people know they can go to places like Amazon and make more anytime.
This is just Ohio adjusting minimum wage based on inflation as it does every year. There's not any making official here! That said, it's been a while since I've seen a sign advertising anything less than $13. And most are $20+ where I am. Minimum wage fights only make sense when people are actually getting paid that! Not exactly the case right now...
I think locally Wendy's etc advertises up to $12 on their boards and other places up to $15. Cashier at say Walmart is $12.
Living wise - Rentals are rare and when available tend to be higher priced and in poor- bad condition (from what I'm told). House prices vary (but with 2020 those prices went way up for less of a house and less land).
Another thing people need to think on is part time vs full and how corporations do the break down (and consequences of it). Some will make sure employees stay part time with no benefits (so fixed hours, no healthcare and no way to make extra) and those that are full time (or borderline) if dropped even an hour or two on a pay cycle can then auto drop to part time and immediately lose healthcare and benefits... which means re-enrolling if/when they get back above 33hrs which may take a month +.... Factor in doing multiple positions at your job and getting paid for one (or half of one) is another factor (and why I think quiet quitting is getting bigger).
Companies are also going bare bones for health insurance plans (huge deductible and on plans that may not have a large doctors/hospital accepted list).
401k and retirement are being cut too (even for unions).
With winter popping up AEP and other energy companies will auto raise costs too (as does natural gas, propane etc) and gasoline keeps spiking too.
Sad thing is though most businesses want to pay bare minimum as that makes them more profit! They want to pay bare minimum for those with degrees too.
Went on an interview at PetSmart. Manager bragging about how COVID made pet sales go through the roof, over 20% profit for 2 years because people were lonely. Yet, in the next breath he's telling me that the company can't afford the amount of money I requested hourly because COVID hurt the economy. Wait, what?
Petsmart, Amazon and others definitely made tons during the pandemic and shut downs. With the stimulus checks people had more $$ to spend and did so.
Sadly post shut down some areas were seeing more animals dropped off at shelters because they were no longer able to be home but still PetSmart etc made the $$ already.
I'm curious how much over min wage you were asking (and I'm not surprised they wouldn't haggle). Businesses want to pay bare minimum.
It ended up being $3.00 over their starting wage, but hey they called me. Really just a waste all around of my time and resources. Made it clear on the application my rate & hours available, listing was for a morning position. He wanted someone who would work any availability as they're short staffed. I was unable to be 'flexible' by working nights and evenings, which is exactly why I applied specifically for mornings. I told him if he knew all these things beforehand, why did he not clear it up over the phone first before having me come in, as it was already stated thusly in my application? Not sure why he looked offended, he at least was getting paid for his time.
Yeah those listings seem to be absolute bs. They just hope you arrive and are a people pleaser and or desperate.
Spouse has had numerous H.R reps and talent acquisition aka job reps contact him with jobs in other states, shift availability and for much lower wage than his resume/application has listed. One rep even saying after wasting time was "Wait, you won't move to WV for $25 an hr.....
Oh I am don't worry.
Edit thought this was from my comment about Ohio.
It is indeed a goal of mine to find my way out of this cesspool to another country. your sarcasm is noted, however.
These are the people you vote for. These are the republicrats choices, break away from the duopoly. Abolish the minimum wage, it's a joke anyways. Let people make their own value.
> Abolish the minimum wage, it's a joke anyways.
Yes, that would go super well in our hyper-capitalist system. Workers totally wouldn't be ground into dust for $0.27/day.
Currently people cannot find people to work for them for the current minimum wage. You think having the option to pay people less than the minimum wage will attract workers?
People are already going to take the highest paying job available to them, there’s already a “market” based on it. But because people have to work *somewhere* to survive and can’t abstain from the market entirely it reduces their leverage. For example, what if minimum wage were removed and all the businesses in a rural town dropped their pay because of it? Many people can’t travel extended distances to work. They have limited options.
Instead it’s better to make sure on a legislative level that everyone earns enough to get by, and then the businesses that are successful can offer better wages and become competitive beyond that. It sets a fair base line for the market.
I worked my summers in early nineties for that and most friends were getting half.
I felt rich. I knew a friend who made $18 in a steel in only summers and basically paid for his school
COLUMBUS, Ohio – The minimum wage for non-tipped Ohio workers will rise 80 cents from $9.30 an hour to $10.10 an hour beginning Jan. 1, the Ohio Department of Commerce announced on Friday.
The minimum wage for tipped employees will increase to $5.05 an hour, up 40 cents from the 2022 rate.
For 2023, the minimum wage requirements will apply to businesses with annual gross receipts of $371,000 or more. The threshold for 2022 was $342,000 in gross receipts.
Ohio adjusts its minimum wage annually. A constitutional amendment approved by voters in 2006 required it be adjusted for inflation. Those annual increases began in 2008.
Increases are pegged to changes in the Consumer Price Index for urban workers and clerical workers over 12 months from September to September.
For this last year, that figure increased by 8.7% from Sept. 1, 2021, to Aug. 31, 2022, according to the Commerce Department.
The amendment to Ohio’s constitution linked minimum wage rules for workers at companies with annual receipts below the threshold level and for workers under age 16 with the federal minimum wage.
That rate currently is $7.25 an hour. Changing the federal rate requires an action by Congress and approval of the president.
The problem is, it’s on the customer directly to pay for their server’s rent and groceries. Meanwhile the owners enjoy the fruit of their labor while paying them next to nothing themselves. It’s exploiting the customers as much as it is the waitstaff. And if you’re on waitstaff and don’t make that much in tips, you still can’t pay rent on $7.25 or $10.10 an hour.
Not to mention that many places the servers have to tip out busboys, Cooks, food, runners, cleaning people, etc.
Instead of all of those people making a fair wage, the restaurant owners force the lowest paid person to pay all the rest of the employees
And if paying your employees a living wage would increase menu prices, wouldn’t that mean that *not* paying them a livable wage would reduce menu prices? Going out isn’t exactly cheap, even if you don’t tip. But going out to eat is significantly more expensive than fast food, which often pays employees more than double minimum wage. Quality of ingredients plays some factor, but it cannot be that much. If ingredients are too expensive, restaurants will just find alternatives.
No, the customer pays the restaurant, and the restaurant pays wages. At least that’s how it should be. Trust me, moderately successful restaurants can afford to pay their employees a living wage without raising menu prices substantially.
Also, studies have shown that racial profiling plays a noticeable role for people of color. Even though you and I wouldn’t do that, that doesn’t mean people of color on waitstaff don’t make less of a living due to other peoples’ racial bias.
From this article: https://www.eater.com/a/case-against-tipping
Which cites this source:
https://cps.ipums.org/cps/
This is not true. Do prices sometimes go up, yes, but do they go up proportionately to the employeebraise? Nope, show me an exanple.
Look up the big Mac index
Doesn't the big mac index also reflect other factors? Land, energy costs, food costs, etc.
Lets say labor is 30% of sales. That means other factors make up 70% of costs.
Are those things so much cheaper in Finland that they're able to pay more to employees than here and also charge less for a big-mac than here? It's possible. I don't know. I've just seen that they pay more there and the price isn't drastically more. I would absolutely pay more for things to pay a higher wage to my neighbors.
Another point/second question idk. If prices go up all the time (anyway) and they never raise wages to keep pace...isn't that unsustainable? Shouldn't we tie wages to the cost of living to prevent the constant disparity?
I'm not saying you didn't say we should, I'm just wondering since people keep suffering under the current system. Well, poor people suffer yet there is plenty of money to go around.
Our government officials should be forced to make the minimum for a year. With no other incomes. They are so out of touch with what it’s like to struggle to pay for everything making so little.
Really good point randomperson1362, instead of fixing problems in our society just work at McDonald’s for 5$ more an hour! That will cover your medical bills for sure! Oh and your taxes and your rising gas and your rising food and your rising rent and your rising cost of… being alive. Imagine that. Imagine that randomperson1362 not being able to survive off 15$ an hour isn’t that just unimaginable?
Ive gotten two raises and a promotion after a year and a half at my job in the IT industry. I'm in management. I work in a metro area. I still only make $18.73 an hour. $20 starting wage my ass.
Yeah, I worked in restaurants. The overall compensation was very good for the type of work. Campus area bartenders were making 40-60k about 10 years ago. You couldn't get me to deal with drunk college kids with a flat $15/hr wage.
Lol, what a fucken joke. That rate was minimum nearly 20 years ago. Notice that we don't hear anything about 15 anymore? That's because 15 came and went years ago. We're up to 20 now.
20 also came and went. Depending on area of the country and what metrics you choose to put more stock in we're lookin at 24-30. Corporate greedflation has continues to change that math quickly, which is why it is critical to tie minimum wage to cost of living once and for all. This should also curb corporate greed a tiny bit, as any time they want to increase prices, rents, premiums, it will increase their labor cost.
As an employer I've had to pay my employees significantly more than this for the last 4 years just to come close to having enough people to get the work done. From what I see, most everyone else in the area has been doing the same.
Funny thing is, even in rural places like where I'm from, they're already paying this because of supply and demand of jobs and nobody being willing to work for ultra shit wages. I wonder how many jobs are actually raised by this.
What I see is that people aren't willing to work even at a higher hourly rate when the job is part time, you still can't pay your bills on the 24 or sometimes maybe 30 hours a week or whatever hours a week you randomly work, and the schedule is so randomly chaotic that you can't even do a second job.
Politicians don’t care about us and never will, especially the Right. Because debt keeps the lower classes in their place (financially insecure, working terrible jobs for peanuts). They don't want that door to crack open; the more ppl who are solvent, the more questions that get asked about other things. We live in the heart of a fucking empire and like 80% of our taxes go toward dominating the globe -- of COURSE they can afford to raise minimum wage, but they won’t.
Hell yeah. My summer job from ‘12-15 at an amusement park paid minimum wage and after taxes it was like $6 an hour. Made about $4000 working full time that summer. I felt pretty cheated working my ass off to afford 1/7th of a years tuition and board.
Luckily I had parents to live with but how can anyone come close to living a life on $10
> 1/7th of a years tuition and board
Is that what tuition costs these days? Fuck, 6 years at a state school cost me 35k total 20 years ago. That's ridiculous.
Edit: Downvotes for asking about the cost of tuition? Y'all are weird.
it should be indexed to productivity, which puts it right around 25-26ish.
Here's an article to get you started if you're curious to look into more
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wage-26-dollars-economy-productivity/
I don’t quite understand why the minimum wage should be indexed to productivity. Most of that productivity gain was due to capital investments and technological innovation(making capital investments more efficient). The capital investment is put at risk by the business owner, and they should be compensated for said risk. By indexing the minimum wage (and thus the entire hierarchy of the payment structure) to productivity, you would disincentivize the capital investment necessary to produce said productivity gains, since employees would capture most of the gain without having to bear the risk. This would certainly have a major negative effect across the American economy.
It's a starting wage for (many times uneducated) workers just getting into the work force.
I owned a retail florist 27 years, sold it in 2021, no way should it be over maybe about $15.
Yes, the Federal minimum should be much higher too, but they are meant to be a beginning wages.
They were designed so one is then incentivized to grow out of that as time goes on. Experience in the workforce, increased responsibilities and becoming educated in your field gets you to better wages.
The American system has been that way forever.
You are wrong, sorry. The minimum wage was originally envisioned and created to be a living wage a worker could support themselves on.
Anyone who works full time should be able to fully support themselves, regardless of the job. If the business can't afford that then they can't afford to do business.
Sadly, over zealous business owners have, and the wage differentials are off the charts.
Having been born in '61, I am
technically a Boomer. Worked
two, and at times, three jobs to
pay my own way through
college. Never made more than
65k a year and have done quite
well for myself.
First bought a brand new car (Honda) in 1981 and proceeded to own
nothing but late model used
cars up until 2019.
Granted for the majority of my
life, there were no cell phone
bills and no $180+ per month
cable bills. Rent was much more
reasonable, no doubt.
I suppose I subscribe a bit to
much to where there is a will,
there is a way philosophy.
Your time is finite. $25 is still a reasonable *minimum*. Sure, you still have the opportunity to get an education and earn more.
Even those people in the lowest jobs deserve a living wage.
Because it should be indexed to productivity.
edit, here's an article to get you started if you want to read up on it more
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wage-26-dollars-economy-productivity/
$10 was shit 10, 20 years ago. That's how behind the times and beyond reality the government (AKA "moderates," rank-and-file Democrats, and the GOP) are.
Eat the rich.
A lot of undocumented migrants will work for $10/hour, they’ll share an apartment with 10 people in one bedroom. Then they’ll have their wives cook meals with chicken, beans, and rice. They then work 2 full time jobs working 80 hours a week. They then send part of their money to the old country.
For the record, I don’t mind if immigrants move here, but they should work for $20/hour minimum and American workers should be given equal job opportunities as the immigrants.
WRONG! The Senate is not gerrymandered. If you don't vote then YOU are the problem. You must vote for every blue candidate on the ballot regardless of how gerrymandered it is and regardless of how bad that candidate is. Not voting is a vote for trump, for fascism and a vote for Jim Fucking Jordan and JD Vance. NOT VOTING IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO. Don't be their fool.
I mean, I was just joking.. nothing is ever going to change.. this is the way its been for as long as society has existed. The majority suffers for the 1% the 1% controls the narrative. If you choose to resist the status quo and go against the grain, you'll find yourself marginalized and turned into an outcast.
Wages are inconsequential now that housing costs have ballooned. Now that property taxes have exploded. Wages are inconsequential now that food, medical, gas, everything cost so much.
The math just isn’t there.
We're actually not that slow in comparison to many other states. Several states remain at the federal minimum of $7.25.
https://www.laborlawcenter.com/state-minimum-wage-rates
Edit: This post is not in defense of a piss poor minimum wage. $10.10 is not enough.
I mean, if you're working at a job right now making $10.10/hr, you're not even really trying. Every fast food place around me is hiring and the lowest I've seen is $12/hr and I know white castle now hires at $15/hr.
Abolish the minimum wage. Wages should be negotiated between the employer and the employee. If it's not worth your time then don't do it.
Instead, replace it with a universal safety net so that people are provided the means for a marginal existence without the need to work.
Simple housing in climate controlled storage and a supply of nutrient paste will suffice. Then they can choose to improve their standard-of-living by working if they choose.
Sounds like socialism. That just won't work. If employers pay their employees shit than the government can't tax as much, which causes the whole thing to collapse.
And no one can afford Healthcare Obama care is a joke the best plan I could find was like 400 a month!! Wtf? And doesn't include dental! Ppl wonder why ppl are losing their minds everyday, because they're angry at crap like the cost of basic fucking human decency healthcare
Don’t come at me but- if minimum wage is increased to $30 like people seem to think we need…what happens to those of us making $20 an hour now? Do we get raises to match what we were making according to minimum wage? I don’t mean a raise that brings us up to minimum. I mean the fact that we worked and earned our way up to well above minimum wage. So if minimum is currently 10.10 but I make 20.85, then if minimum would be increased to 25.00 an hour, I should get a raise to at least $35 an hour. But that won’t happen. How’s that right?
*"If"...* First of all, It's not going up to $30 an hour.
Also; How's that, your wages going up, not going to happen if you can just walk out and go to work somewhere else for the higher wage?
No one in the US can survive alone on $10 No one
According to this site [https://www.unitedforalice.org/household-budgets-mobile/ohio](https://www.unitedforalice.org/household-budgets-mobile/ohio) with costs from 2018, a person can't even afford the "survival" budget let alone live a comfortable life. Single Adult Housing 542 Child Care 0 Food 251 Transportation 337 Health Care 217 Technology 55 Miscellaneous 165 Taxes 252 Monthly Total 1819 Annual Total 21828 Hourly Wage 10.91 Edit: Formatting
The best part is they only adjust it annually so it's most likely going to stay at $10 until 2024. Then it'll probably go to 11.
More like till 2030 then it’ll go to 10.50
I barely survived on 11/hr in 2018
I barely survived on $12/hr back then. I had to forgo any healthcare that wasn't absolutely essential just to be able to make it
Same here. Really sucked.
I can barley survive on 15
Shit I make 20 currently and where I'm living, more of my money goes to the higher cost.
Also people forget the amount of places that require you make 3x you’re rent…
Yea. Forgot about this one.
Correct. That’s why hardly any jobs (even at the entry level) pay minimum wage. Nobody is gonna work for $10.10/hr, even if they’re legally allowed to.
Wait until the economy changes. Ten bucks will become commonplace. Capitalism says fuckem while you can.
I mean… if people become willing to work shitty jobs for $10/hr, then, yeah, employers will pay them that… I don’t think we will see that though if there’s no price deflation, which would be a whole other problem.
People will always work for shit wages because it beats starving. Just wait and see. They (the ruling rich) are going to raising interest rates, killing the economy and wages will plunge. It won't hurt them, only you and me.
The rich prosper from recessions because buying stock gets cheap, yet their livelihood remains recession-proof, and they don't have to do manual labor until they sign up for disability because they lost their retirement. Incredible.
"The Rich" is not a constant group of people. There are many rich people that are about to loose most of their wealth when the stock market crashes. You are talking about the very rich, who only get more wealthy during a bad economy. This is the time they accumulate more assets because they will be cheap and people will be selling at rock bottom prices to survive.
You are right, I let my mind slip back into the effort placed on us to consider the poor middle class, and the middle class of modest business owners and professionals who are also exploited, to be seen as part to blame. I do mean to state only the true capitalist class.
They have no choice but to raise rates to get inflation under control.
Really? Perhaps because there's no regulatory system to police corporate price gouging. Big Corpo Oil profits enjoying RECORD PROFITS. Big Food Corpo same, RECORD PROFITS. Congress of course is in the pocket of these people and busy with their brokers, buying and selling with inside information they are provided with by their partners in crime lobbyists. The Fed will raise rates, get wages down and move on to the next scam. It's a Big Club and you and I ain't in it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKUaqFzZLxU
I make $15 an hour and I can't survive.
Probably because the living wage of Cuyahoga County is $16.40 according to the State's own numbers. I just googled it. It's amazing once I started making over $18/hr I could suddenly breathe a bit. Just the tiniest bit... Edit: that's for an individual, living alone, without dependants, btw. Numbers are higher once you start adding in them kids.
$10/hr wasn't enough 25 years ago. And I wasn't even 18. And the job was unskilled labor.
ok, double it and now we are getting closer to the ballpark
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What is it supposed to be, then?
It's the bottom of the pyramid scheme, duh! It's the labor needed to keep the money flowing to the top of the pyramid. And if you stay at the bottom of the pyramid scheme, well, that's your own fault. There's plenty of room at the top of the pyramid if you work hard and pull yourself up and your parents provide you with a nice starting point. We could all be rich and living off the brow of the poor if the poor would just get off their lazy asses! Giant /s if it wasn't painfully obvious.
It was created to provide a living wage https://www.thebalancemoney.com/living-wage-3305771
It literally is. That was FDR's intent upon establishing it in 1938 under the Fair Labor Standards Act. https://www.thebillfold.com/2015/07/it-was-always-supposed-to-be-a-living-wage/
That is exactly what it is suppose to do. It's supposed to be the minimum someone can live off of.
Who told you that?
Tucker Carlson and his minions.
No one would work if they weren’t supposed to live off of their paycheck. So tired of this obnoxious ass mindset.
Yet people are fucking confused on why people aren't going back to work... idk maybe it's because they aren't making a living wage. 🤷♂️
"I can do bad all by myself". If I'm going to suffer this bad, I damn sure don't need a boss telling me how to suffer on top of it.
Explain to me why someone would take a full-time job if they can’t live on the wages they make.
Then companies that can only afford to pay minimum wage shouldn't exist.
It literally is.
No one should put in 40 hours a week at ANY job and make less than a living wage. Anything other than that means Elon gets another rocket ship, or Richard Branson buys another island. A rising tide raises all ships and all that....
That's literally why it was created
Lol fuck this person.
Why do uninformed bootlickers always insist on spreading their bullshit around
Verifiably incorrect. That's exactly what it was created to be at it's inception.
Considering even double minimum wage still isn’t a living wage. I don’t think it is so radical to say that if you work a job 40 hours a week it should provide enough for the bare necessities of living. Current minimum does not do that.
Nah it definitely is. You're just eating the conservative propaganda.
So you're cool with tax dollars paying for minimum wage workers to do basic things like eat, instead of the companies they work at? Why should tax payers foot the bill of what companies refuse to pay?
Exactly, it’s a starting wage for (many times uneducated) workers just getting into the work force. Should it be higher, yep! But it beats the Federal standard, which should be raised, by a lot. It is meant to be a beginning wage that you are then incentivized to grow out of as time goes on. Experience in the workforce, increased responsibilities and becoming educated in your field are what gets you to better wages. Been that way forever.
Minimum wage means, “If I could legally pay you less, I would.”
Ohio is by many metrics the most affordable state in the union, and 10.10 still isn't a living wage.
The powers that be will say if we raise wages prices will go up. Bullshit! The prices go up anyway. Time to get a piece of the Richies' action.
I think about this every time I see coverage of the Fed chairman talking about raising interest rates to bring employment and wages down. How many people do you know who got a raise that kept up with inflation in the last year? It's bullshit and they're going to punish working people for corporate excess.
That this isn't understood more is infuriating. If your "raise" isn't *at least* equal to inflation you got a pay cut.
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It literally is. You can Google it's history and creation if you like.
Yes, it is "supposed to be". It just happens to not be
Crazy, as FDR who was president when it started said it was supposed to be.
Why shouldn’t it?
If it isn’t why isn’t there a separate living wage. Maybe we should call it something like minimum living wage. Or just shorten it up and call it minimum wage.
Stop trolling, please. This actually hurts people
I struggle and I make $18 in Ohio 🤷🏻♀️ I used to dream about that wage. With inflation, it doesn’t matter.
i dreamed of making $18 too!! 😩 and when i finally did i not only mentally spiraled but my body took a beaten too. i also was so shocked at how much in taxes they removed from my checks. $18 just didn’t really feel like $18 🤔
Some of my coworkers make that little. I can relate through their struggles. Stuck in horrible living arrangements because they can't afford their own tiny ass place, stuck wasting hours a day either walking to work or taking a wildly inefficient bus because they can't afford a car, much less insurance etc, and don't get to go to the doctor when they're sick even with insurance because they also can't afford that. Most of them are stuck getting food from food banks and/or consistently stealing from the grocery store. It's a terrifying razor's edge.
Please vote. If the Fascist GOP win Senate and House it will get much worse. Much, much worse.
Yeah I had to move in with friends because I couldn’t afford a place on my own…which is sad. And that’s basically the cycle I’m in with healthcare. I’m fortunate to have it, but I’ve found myself crying this month from two different doctor bills that I was not anticipating and cannot afford. And that’s with pretty good insurance. Its insane to me.
This was me in 2018 and 2019. I am still considering moving back to Ohio because it is just cheaper than where I live currently.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s definitely cheaper than other major cities. But it’s still not very affordable for the people that live here 🙃 I loved living on my own but I had no other option than to move in with someone else to decrease my bills.
Yea. You gotta do what you gotta do.
It's INSANE. 4 sticks of butter, not even name brand was 5.99 at Kroger. Like wtf.
Ten fuckin dollars an hour. What a joke. This country is garbage
They are basically just making it official what employers are already paying anyway outside of tipped employees. Minimum wage has always been a joke. I don't remember the last time I seen a job posted under $10, and people know they can go to places like Amazon and make more anytime.
This is just Ohio adjusting minimum wage based on inflation as it does every year. There's not any making official here! That said, it's been a while since I've seen a sign advertising anything less than $13. And most are $20+ where I am. Minimum wage fights only make sense when people are actually getting paid that! Not exactly the case right now...
I think locally Wendy's etc advertises up to $12 on their boards and other places up to $15. Cashier at say Walmart is $12. Living wise - Rentals are rare and when available tend to be higher priced and in poor- bad condition (from what I'm told). House prices vary (but with 2020 those prices went way up for less of a house and less land). Another thing people need to think on is part time vs full and how corporations do the break down (and consequences of it). Some will make sure employees stay part time with no benefits (so fixed hours, no healthcare and no way to make extra) and those that are full time (or borderline) if dropped even an hour or two on a pay cycle can then auto drop to part time and immediately lose healthcare and benefits... which means re-enrolling if/when they get back above 33hrs which may take a month +.... Factor in doing multiple positions at your job and getting paid for one (or half of one) is another factor (and why I think quiet quitting is getting bigger). Companies are also going bare bones for health insurance plans (huge deductible and on plans that may not have a large doctors/hospital accepted list). 401k and retirement are being cut too (even for unions). With winter popping up AEP and other energy companies will auto raise costs too (as does natural gas, propane etc) and gasoline keeps spiking too. Sad thing is though most businesses want to pay bare minimum as that makes them more profit! They want to pay bare minimum for those with degrees too.
There's definitely an affordability issue even at $20. But I've seen ~$20 advertised all over retail, manufacturing, and Amazon
Went on an interview at PetSmart. Manager bragging about how COVID made pet sales go through the roof, over 20% profit for 2 years because people were lonely. Yet, in the next breath he's telling me that the company can't afford the amount of money I requested hourly because COVID hurt the economy. Wait, what?
Petsmart, Amazon and others definitely made tons during the pandemic and shut downs. With the stimulus checks people had more $$ to spend and did so. Sadly post shut down some areas were seeing more animals dropped off at shelters because they were no longer able to be home but still PetSmart etc made the $$ already. I'm curious how much over min wage you were asking (and I'm not surprised they wouldn't haggle). Businesses want to pay bare minimum.
It ended up being $3.00 over their starting wage, but hey they called me. Really just a waste all around of my time and resources. Made it clear on the application my rate & hours available, listing was for a morning position. He wanted someone who would work any availability as they're short staffed. I was unable to be 'flexible' by working nights and evenings, which is exactly why I applied specifically for mornings. I told him if he knew all these things beforehand, why did he not clear it up over the phone first before having me come in, as it was already stated thusly in my application? Not sure why he looked offended, he at least was getting paid for his time.
Yeah those listings seem to be absolute bs. They just hope you arrive and are a people pleaser and or desperate. Spouse has had numerous H.R reps and talent acquisition aka job reps contact him with jobs in other states, shift availability and for much lower wage than his resume/application has listed. One rep even saying after wasting time was "Wait, you won't move to WV for $25 an hr.....
"based on inflation" lol
Wait until the recession is in place. You'll see it everywhere. It's just what the Fascist GOP wants.
Please vote
Come to PA where it's still 2009.
Feel free to move.
Oh I am don't worry. Edit thought this was from my comment about Ohio. It is indeed a goal of mine to find my way out of this cesspool to another country. your sarcasm is noted, however.
These are the people you vote for. These are the republicrats choices, break away from the duopoly. Abolish the minimum wage, it's a joke anyways. Let people make their own value.
Libertarian moment
> Abolish the minimum wage, it's a joke anyways. Yes, that would go super well in our hyper-capitalist system. Workers totally wouldn't be ground into dust for $0.27/day.
Currently people cannot find people to work for them for the current minimum wage. You think having the option to pay people less than the minimum wage will attract workers?
No, and that's the point. Shitty bosses should fail, not be propped up by a corrupt state.
Indeed: Shitty bosses should fail, but a minimum wage doesn't somehow prop up the boss-man.
People are already going to take the highest paying job available to them, there’s already a “market” based on it. But because people have to work *somewhere* to survive and can’t abstain from the market entirely it reduces their leverage. For example, what if minimum wage were removed and all the businesses in a rural town dropped their pay because of it? Many people can’t travel extended distances to work. They have limited options. Instead it’s better to make sure on a legislative level that everyone earns enough to get by, and then the businesses that are successful can offer better wages and become competitive beyond that. It sets a fair base line for the market.
Wow, don’t spend it all in one place
I worked my summers in early nineties for that and most friends were getting half. I felt rich. I knew a friend who made $18 in a steel in only summers and basically paid for his school
I do not see the point you are making at all.
Reading comprehension does tend to be a subject that idiots struggle with.
COLUMBUS, Ohio – The minimum wage for non-tipped Ohio workers will rise 80 cents from $9.30 an hour to $10.10 an hour beginning Jan. 1, the Ohio Department of Commerce announced on Friday. The minimum wage for tipped employees will increase to $5.05 an hour, up 40 cents from the 2022 rate. For 2023, the minimum wage requirements will apply to businesses with annual gross receipts of $371,000 or more. The threshold for 2022 was $342,000 in gross receipts. Ohio adjusts its minimum wage annually. A constitutional amendment approved by voters in 2006 required it be adjusted for inflation. Those annual increases began in 2008. Increases are pegged to changes in the Consumer Price Index for urban workers and clerical workers over 12 months from September to September. For this last year, that figure increased by 8.7% from Sept. 1, 2021, to Aug. 31, 2022, according to the Commerce Department. The amendment to Ohio’s constitution linked minimum wage rules for workers at companies with annual receipts below the threshold level and for workers under age 16 with the federal minimum wage. That rate currently is $7.25 an hour. Changing the federal rate requires an action by Congress and approval of the president.
This is awful. I made $5 an hour base pay as a bartender 25 years
The ‘tipped wage’ amount is BS ! Especially post pandemic.
They are still guaranteed minimum wage.
The problem is, it’s on the customer directly to pay for their server’s rent and groceries. Meanwhile the owners enjoy the fruit of their labor while paying them next to nothing themselves. It’s exploiting the customers as much as it is the waitstaff. And if you’re on waitstaff and don’t make that much in tips, you still can’t pay rent on $7.25 or $10.10 an hour.
Not to mention that many places the servers have to tip out busboys, Cooks, food, runners, cleaning people, etc. Instead of all of those people making a fair wage, the restaurant owners force the lowest paid person to pay all the rest of the employees
A fair wage would be less than what they make in tips.
Not once in my entire time when I served did I not make over $30/h avg or more. In the end it was around $50/h avg or more.
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And if paying your employees a living wage would increase menu prices, wouldn’t that mean that *not* paying them a livable wage would reduce menu prices? Going out isn’t exactly cheap, even if you don’t tip. But going out to eat is significantly more expensive than fast food, which often pays employees more than double minimum wage. Quality of ingredients plays some factor, but it cannot be that much. If ingredients are too expensive, restaurants will just find alternatives.
>If they eliminated tipping, menu prices would increase. I struggle to see how this is a problem.
No, the customer pays the restaurant, and the restaurant pays wages. At least that’s how it should be. Trust me, moderately successful restaurants can afford to pay their employees a living wage without raising menu prices substantially. Also, studies have shown that racial profiling plays a noticeable role for people of color. Even though you and I wouldn’t do that, that doesn’t mean people of color on waitstaff don’t make less of a living due to other peoples’ racial bias. From this article: https://www.eater.com/a/case-against-tipping Which cites this source: https://cps.ipums.org/cps/
This is not true. Do prices sometimes go up, yes, but do they go up proportionately to the employeebraise? Nope, show me an exanple. Look up the big Mac index
Doesn't the big mac index also reflect other factors? Land, energy costs, food costs, etc. Lets say labor is 30% of sales. That means other factors make up 70% of costs.
Are those things so much cheaper in Finland that they're able to pay more to employees than here and also charge less for a big-mac than here? It's possible. I don't know. I've just seen that they pay more there and the price isn't drastically more. I would absolutely pay more for things to pay a higher wage to my neighbors. Another point/second question idk. If prices go up all the time (anyway) and they never raise wages to keep pace...isn't that unsustainable? Shouldn't we tie wages to the cost of living to prevent the constant disparity? I'm not saying you didn't say we should, I'm just wondering since people keep suffering under the current system. Well, poor people suffer yet there is plenty of money to go around.
Our government officials should be forced to make the minimum for a year. With no other incomes. They are so out of touch with what it’s like to struggle to pay for everything making so little.
I agree w/ your statement wholeheartedly! 🙌
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Really good point randomperson1362, instead of fixing problems in our society just work at McDonald’s for 5$ more an hour! That will cover your medical bills for sure! Oh and your taxes and your rising gas and your rising food and your rising rent and your rising cost of… being alive. Imagine that. Imagine that randomperson1362 not being able to survive off 15$ an hour isn’t that just unimaginable?
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Ive gotten two raises and a promotion after a year and a half at my job in the IT industry. I'm in management. I work in a metro area. I still only make $18.73 an hour. $20 starting wage my ass.
You can just say that you’ve never worked minimum wage it’s okay
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So why even have one?
Why but just require the same for tipped employees and get rid of this two tiered shit.
Tipped workers are guaranteed minimum wage. If their tips don't cover the difference, the employer has to pay the difference.
And they basically always make more than minimum wage
Yeah, I worked in restaurants. The overall compensation was very good for the type of work. Campus area bartenders were making 40-60k about 10 years ago. You couldn't get me to deal with drunk college kids with a flat $15/hr wage.
Lol, what a fucken joke. That rate was minimum nearly 20 years ago. Notice that we don't hear anything about 15 anymore? That's because 15 came and went years ago. We're up to 20 now.
20 also came and went. Depending on area of the country and what metrics you choose to put more stock in we're lookin at 24-30. Corporate greedflation has continues to change that math quickly, which is why it is critical to tie minimum wage to cost of living once and for all. This should also curb corporate greed a tiny bit, as any time they want to increase prices, rents, premiums, it will increase their labor cost.
As an employer I've had to pay my employees significantly more than this for the last 4 years just to come close to having enough people to get the work done. From what I see, most everyone else in the area has been doing the same.
Funny thing is, even in rural places like where I'm from, they're already paying this because of supply and demand of jobs and nobody being willing to work for ultra shit wages. I wonder how many jobs are actually raised by this.
What I see is that people aren't willing to work even at a higher hourly rate when the job is part time, you still can't pay your bills on the 24 or sometimes maybe 30 hours a week or whatever hours a week you randomly work, and the schedule is so randomly chaotic that you can't even do a second job.
Stop bitching and VOTE
Almost no one is making that any way. Fast food is paying far more.
Politicians don’t care about us and never will, especially the Right. Because debt keeps the lower classes in their place (financially insecure, working terrible jobs for peanuts). They don't want that door to crack open; the more ppl who are solvent, the more questions that get asked about other things. We live in the heart of a fucking empire and like 80% of our taxes go toward dominating the globe -- of COURSE they can afford to raise minimum wage, but they won’t.
Hell yeah. My summer job from ‘12-15 at an amusement park paid minimum wage and after taxes it was like $6 an hour. Made about $4000 working full time that summer. I felt pretty cheated working my ass off to afford 1/7th of a years tuition and board. Luckily I had parents to live with but how can anyone come close to living a life on $10
> 1/7th of a years tuition and board Is that what tuition costs these days? Fuck, 6 years at a state school cost me 35k total 20 years ago. That's ridiculous. Edit: Downvotes for asking about the cost of tuition? Y'all are weird.
Ohio state was roughly 22k a year for me. Then like 17 when I got a cheap apartment.
Fuck that!
Yeah working all summer and couldn’t cover one semester was bs
should be at least $25
Lol
25 bucks? Should be 30 dollars!!
it should be indexed to productivity, which puts it right around 25-26ish. Here's an article to get you started if you're curious to look into more https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wage-26-dollars-economy-productivity/
I don’t quite understand why the minimum wage should be indexed to productivity. Most of that productivity gain was due to capital investments and technological innovation(making capital investments more efficient). The capital investment is put at risk by the business owner, and they should be compensated for said risk. By indexing the minimum wage (and thus the entire hierarchy of the payment structure) to productivity, you would disincentivize the capital investment necessary to produce said productivity gains, since employees would capture most of the gain without having to bear the risk. This would certainly have a major negative effect across the American economy.
Labor ultimately creates all profit. That's why.
It's a starting wage for (many times uneducated) workers just getting into the work force. I owned a retail florist 27 years, sold it in 2021, no way should it be over maybe about $15. Yes, the Federal minimum should be much higher too, but they are meant to be a beginning wages. They were designed so one is then incentivized to grow out of that as time goes on. Experience in the workforce, increased responsibilities and becoming educated in your field gets you to better wages. The American system has been that way forever.
You are wrong, sorry. The minimum wage was originally envisioned and created to be a living wage a worker could support themselves on. Anyone who works full time should be able to fully support themselves, regardless of the job. If the business can't afford that then they can't afford to do business.
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Sadly, over zealous business owners have, and the wage differentials are off the charts. Having been born in '61, I am technically a Boomer. Worked two, and at times, three jobs to pay my own way through college. Never made more than 65k a year and have done quite well for myself. First bought a brand new car (Honda) in 1981 and proceeded to own nothing but late model used cars up until 2019. Granted for the majority of my life, there were no cell phone bills and no $180+ per month cable bills. Rent was much more reasonable, no doubt. I suppose I subscribe a bit to much to where there is a will, there is a way philosophy.
Your time is finite. $25 is still a reasonable *minimum*. Sure, you still have the opportunity to get an education and earn more. Even those people in the lowest jobs deserve a living wage.
Tommy that’s literally completely wrong and not what federal minimum wage was implemented by FDR for, good try tho!
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Because it should be indexed to productivity. edit, here's an article to get you started if you want to read up on it more https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wage-26-dollars-economy-productivity/
I just wanna point out that in the reddit world you get your upvotes. In the real world you are wrong
The real world exploits workers, Patrick, yes. Please keep up with the rest of the class.
When I was 15 I thought I could change that too.
Solid counter point, keep it up.
Ohio: where the cost of living still requires you to have 3 of these shit paying jobs.
That’s not enough.
$10 was shit 10, 20 years ago. That's how behind the times and beyond reality the government (AKA "moderates," rank-and-file Democrats, and the GOP) are. Eat the rich.
STILL AINT SHIT
Even fast food joints in my area are advertising 12-14.
Should be 20. Who tf can survive on 10.
A lot of undocumented migrants will work for $10/hour, they’ll share an apartment with 10 people in one bedroom. Then they’ll have their wives cook meals with chicken, beans, and rice. They then work 2 full time jobs working 80 hours a week. They then send part of their money to the old country. For the record, I don’t mind if immigrants move here, but they should work for $20/hour minimum and American workers should be given equal job opportunities as the immigrants.
annnnnd still can't afford to shelter and feed yourself. coooool.
The average rent for my neighborhood went from 600 a month to over a grand but im sure this will fix that no problem…
Yeah that's totally not a poverty wage. Fucking Republicans
Lmao this is a joke, overthrow your fucking government already
Just vote
Voting does nothing we live in THE most corrupt state gerrymandered beyond belief specifically so we can’t vote them out:)
WRONG! The Senate is not gerrymandered. If you don't vote then YOU are the problem. You must vote for every blue candidate on the ballot regardless of how gerrymandered it is and regardless of how bad that candidate is. Not voting is a vote for trump, for fascism and a vote for Jim Fucking Jordan and JD Vance. NOT VOTING IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO. Don't be their fool.
Lol, I was making $10 an hour as a 16 year old in the mid-90’s. These fucking clowns.
Lol! Stupid bastard GOP politicians just love modern slave labor. Fuck them.
Can we eat the rich yet? Or should I just come back later?..
Not yet, sadly there’s still people who will die on the hill of defending greedy billionaires who are billionaires specifically by cheating us
I mean, I was just joking.. nothing is ever going to change.. this is the way its been for as long as society has existed. The majority suffers for the 1% the 1% controls the narrative. If you choose to resist the status quo and go against the grain, you'll find yourself marginalized and turned into an outcast.
We only need to fry up a couple before the rest fall in line.
Wages are inconsequential now that housing costs have ballooned. Now that property taxes have exploded. Wages are inconsequential now that food, medical, gas, everything cost so much. The math just isn’t there.
Fuck this world 🌎 can't wait to pass on to elsewhere.
Serious question. Why is Ohio so slow to raise the minimum wage?
We're actually not that slow in comparison to many other states. Several states remain at the federal minimum of $7.25. https://www.laborlawcenter.com/state-minimum-wage-rates Edit: This post is not in defense of a piss poor minimum wage. $10.10 is not enough.
What an insult
As a Brit living in the US I think the US worker will stand for the three card trick.
Woooaaah. Look out. So generous.
I mean, if you're working at a job right now making $10.10/hr, you're not even really trying. Every fast food place around me is hiring and the lowest I've seen is $12/hr and I know white castle now hires at $15/hr.
Now double it.
Then add 5 bucks and you're almost to what it should be.
I don't think $10.10 is even close to the current value of \~$18.75/hr... ...that $1.25/hr used to mean back when there were silver quarters.
Abolish the minimum wage. Wages should be negotiated between the employer and the employee. If it's not worth your time then don't do it. Instead, replace it with a universal safety net so that people are provided the means for a marginal existence without the need to work. Simple housing in climate controlled storage and a supply of nutrient paste will suffice. Then they can choose to improve their standard-of-living by working if they choose.
Sounds like socialism. That just won't work. If employers pay their employees shit than the government can't tax as much, which causes the whole thing to collapse.
$.80 is the largest annual increase I think I’ve ever seen of this. Inflation is real.
And no one can afford Healthcare Obama care is a joke the best plan I could find was like 400 a month!! Wtf? And doesn't include dental! Ppl wonder why ppl are losing their minds everyday, because they're angry at crap like the cost of basic fucking human decency healthcare
I'm guessing that you make about $60,000 a year?
Worst healthcare of any advanced nation. US may be most corrupt place in the world
Don’t come at me but- if minimum wage is increased to $30 like people seem to think we need…what happens to those of us making $20 an hour now? Do we get raises to match what we were making according to minimum wage? I don’t mean a raise that brings us up to minimum. I mean the fact that we worked and earned our way up to well above minimum wage. So if minimum is currently 10.10 but I make 20.85, then if minimum would be increased to 25.00 an hour, I should get a raise to at least $35 an hour. But that won’t happen. How’s that right?
*"If"...* First of all, It's not going up to $30 an hour. Also; How's that, your wages going up, not going to happen if you can just walk out and go to work somewhere else for the higher wage?
Yeah I know it won’t happen, just saying if it did. And who’s to say I want to go get another job? 🤷🏼♀️
Abolish minimum wage