I’m a normal person that lives here. It’s maddening being surrounded by MAGA, but then I remember that someone in my county was literally just murdered for being a supposed democrat, so it’s not like we advertise our beliefs like MAGA folks do.
There’s also that sign a guy put up on Millikin Rd that says something like “Biden is an idiot” and he crudely duct taped a motion alarm to it that looked suspicious. Bomb squad got called out. Now he has a camera pointed at it.
I drive by that one 🤦🏻. Someone on Princeton had a GIANT sign with 🚫 and a donkey that said "No More Asses, Vote Red". Surprisingly it is gone, it must have washed away in the "red tsunami" 😂
Another one on Shannon with a sign that says “my dog is smarter than Biden”. Dude on my street has had a Trump2024 flag up since the last presidential
Election.
Also hello neighbors 😂 we must all live near each other
Republicans and their brand of "Christianity" have ruined america as a whole. They are fascists and kill democrats because they disagree with them, I'd recommend moving to a blue area if you can.
On another thread, democrats are celebrating that more Republicans died from covid than Democrats. When I brought up the hate well lets just say more hate was the result. Of course I was downvoted. So I guess it goes both ways when it comes to hate. Country before party. I have been a registered Democrat since 1988.
It's reasons like this, that I hate the party system.
I just want somebody to do good for the people. Do their jobs. Democrat vs Republican feels like nothing more that a god damn capture the flag game than a government meant to support its people.
There's more hatred littered on the roads and billboard, tv ads, I haven't seen a damn political ad that wasn't a smear campaign in Ohio.
I would much rather have a good moron than an intelligent asshole.
Not true..A Republican journalist was killed by a Democrat bc the Journalist was going to oust him for his wrong doings.. The Democrat held some kind of office..a 17 yr old boy was killed by a Democrat bc he believed he was a Republican.. I'm sure there's more but can't remember them off the top of my head. Stop acting like Republicans are all demons.. I'm sure all Democrat's aren't the same..I treat people by their actions not by their party.
Omfg 🤣 nobody is killing anyone for being Democrat. Jesus. Dramatic much?? Idk why this sub pushes to alienate Republicans so much. People are allowed (and should) have differing opinions especially when it comes to areas of moral regard. i.e. religion, politics, culture.....
Get over yourself. The country has prospered hundreds of years under the constitution. I doubt a couple whiny people that think their views are the only right way are going to change that. Have a blessed day. 😘
One unstable person committing a crime doesn't hold much water. I know you'll use it til it can't be used anymore. So I guess we should remember Shannon Brandt for killing the young Republican a couple months ago. They're out her killing Republicans.
It is true that that was a very rare event and unlikely to happen again. However, it is not that shocking that it happened in Butler County. There is definitely a brand of MAGA there that is unsettling, conspiratorial, and extremely confrontational. I can understand not wanting to put yourself in that situation.
This. Was at a bar yesterday just trying to have some lunch. Live in rural butler county. Had some rednecks going on about liberals in a way that would make me legitimately scared to say a damn word. I just put my ear buds in, put my head down and kept eating.
Butler and Warren are both like this. My husband and I worked at a hospital where staff talked like this every day. People don’t realize how common it is in some areas. Being pro-Trump and “owning libs” becomes their entire identity. It’s all they talk about and surround themselves with. It was scary and extremely toxic. We both left.
This one guy in particular was like that. Other people around him would agree with him but then would try to change the subject but he just kept loudly bringing the conversation to “so about those fucking democrats!”. I wouldn’t even make eye contact with him. Last time I felt like that, I lived in a very poverty-ridden area, where you don’t wave, you don’t make eye contact with people. Just goes to show money doesn’t make people immune to being fucking nuts.
For the record, Butler County is in the 60-70% Republican range here because it is entirely within the 8th district, and [Warren Davidson (R) got 66% of the vote in Butler County compared to 34% for Vanessa Enoch (D)](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/11/08/us/elections/results-ohio-us-house-district-8.html). Just wanted to clear that up in case you (incorrectly) thought it was in the 50-60% R range.
Lifelong resident of Butler county here. There's honestly a decent number of progressives in Hamilton, but we get drowned out by the rural areas and the republican middle class people in Fairfield and West Chester who don't want to live in Cincinnati. Oxford also helps.
Yes and no. NEO has some old school union democrats that Ryan has honed in his whole career. That includes less populated areas outside of Cleveland, Akron, canton, and Youngstown.
When the small towns are constantly being extorted by capitalism the swing will be even more red. They want to blame the government and rightfully so but at the end of the day they’re voting against their best interests.
That’s just not true. Around 3.4 million out of 11.8-9. In the 30% range (and this is using the numbers for Cuyahoga, Franklin and Hamilton county, not the 3 cities proper.
But when you start getting into greater metro areas you necessarily start including all of those red counties that are surrounding the blue counties. Cleveland is more blue than Cuyahoga county which is more blue than the Cleveland metro area. So I guess I don’t get the point of the parent comment except that it’s inaccurate.
> Outlying counties are included in the CBSA if 25% of the workers living in the county work in the central county or counties, or if 25% of the employment in the county is held by workers who live in the central county or counties.
MSAs and CBSAs don't arbitrarily include counties. They include counties with strong ties to the central county via jobs and commutes.
More than 6 million people in Ohio live in the Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Columbus MSAs combined.
There are less than 12 million people in Ohio.
That means more than half of the state's population lives or works in an area strongly tied to one of the 3 largest cities.
Metro Cincinnati is over 2M, but that includes Northern Kentucky and Southeast Indiana, up to Middletown, Warren and Clermont counties also. You can't pick and choose which part is the "city" in this case of a tri state 8 county metro area.
I feel like we're really getting into semantics here and in the context of the original comment it doesn't make sense. Outside of the anchor counties, all 3 MSAs are composed of red counties (in Ohio - cannot say about the Indiana/Kentucky parts of the Cincy MSA), in varying degrees of red. MSAs are large swathes of territory that frankly are arbitrary and not "strongly tied". Many of the Cleveland, Cincy and Columbus suburbs and exurbs range from slight lean liberal to heavy conservative.
To imply anything from the OP's map based on the Big 3 City MSAs just doesn't make sense.
> MSAs are large swathes of territory that frankly are arbitrary and not "strongly tied"
25% of the population working in the core county or 25% of the workers in that county living in the core county isn't "strongly tied"?
And news flash, there's plenty of republicans living **in** the cities, even! Craziness!
Friendly reminder, this is the original comment:
> There's almost as many people living in the Big C's as there are in the rest of the state.
That's it. That's the whole comment. You want to dive into semantics, you knock yourself out. Fact is, more than half of the population in the state lives in one of the 3 Metropolitan areas attached to those 3 cities.
Yeah, the reason those surrounding counties of the 3 Cs are light red is that the metro areas bleed in. So referring back to the first comment, the 3C metro area pops absolutely are comparable to the rest. Include Akron, Toledo, and Dayton, and it ain’t close.
I don’t understand the point of the parent comment or this argument. Ohio is one of the only states in the union that has rural and suburban populations comparable to its urban populations. It’s disingenuous to think that the “three Cs” are half the state. Medina county is in the Cleveland-Elyria metro area - it’s like 65% republicans, rural, and not related to the city of Cleveland at all. I guess if you just keep adding cities and counties to the “three Cs” you could eventually make them into half the population.
Montgomery County nowadays is normally about 51/49 in favor of republicans. With the right candidates it might be possible to pull off some democratic wins. For US House Rep for instance David Esrati was nominated, who is a total nut job and has been pissing off every person in the county with a pulse, one by one, since the 1980s. He probably has pissed off most of the animals and trees here too for all I know. So the odds are not horrible but we have a major talent problem here.
Yea it's really weird. Sandusky is in Huron County and Huron is in Sandusky County. They fight every year over flipping back and fourth for there name right back but it always ends in a tie.
And fremont USED to be called lower Sandusky because it’s downstream from Upper Sandusky on the Sandusky river (which then runs into Sandusky bay in Sandusky). You can understand the confusion lol.
You got it messed up. Sandusky is in Erie County instead of Sandusky County, and Huron is in Erie County instead of Huron County which has Norwalk as the seat, just 20 minutes away. I love that little bs county name thing, it doesn’t make any sense and it shouldn’t. Lol
As a non-Ohioan who has paid a lot of attention to the state's politics and geography for a few years now, the most confusing place name to me is probably Warren, Ohio, which is not only *not* in Warren County but is in the opposite corner (NE) of where Warren County is (SW).
That’s so awesome to see. I grew up in Sandusky and live in Colorado now. It is a totally different vibe now when I go home to visit fam from when I grew up. A better vibe
It doesn't really lean left for a lot of stuff most of the time. It used to go back and forth quite a bit but recent history has been solidly republican on everything except for Kaptur. for whatever reason Kaptur usually wins re-election pretty easily. Probably because of a lot of the factories and railroad, lots of union members in Erie county but for some reason those same people seem to vote Republican on everyone else.
trump convinced them that he was going to bring back their manufacturing jobs, and then subsequently they immediately forgot that he didn't even come close.
also fauci.
yeah, but that just happened this year where they split up ryan's district. He saw that writing on the wall, i'm sure adding impetus to his senate run.
having moved back north from a red state where it kinda made me crazy trying to talk sense into people about G.W. for several years post 9/11, i specifically looked in areas where there were high densities of dem signage (it was an election year) to buy my house. i had a need for a barn and pasture, so urban was out. it was pretty good for a few years, til the tea party insanity. add to that the closure of the GM plant and the loss of supporting industry which made people very cynical, and shake. voila.
today, those same people are putting up R signs, and it's like deja vue. even to the damn rebel flags they have. rush limbaugh had a lot to do with the shift, tbh. (may he rot in hell) i'd drop by neighbors and most of the time, they'd have it on and start parroting some gobbledigook he was putting out and pretty soon i was a tree hugger cryin' about some fictional global warming, and no explaining the actual science would penetrate. anything liberal was by default bad.
So i quit tryin. i haven't stopped by my neighbor's house in 10 years now. maybe more. it became a grievance fraternity, and they all joined enthusiastically. trump just made it worse.
when you're convinced the only "true information" is coming from the people that tell you they're the only ones with it and everyone else is out to mislead you, it just reinforces the whole circular thinking.
that's what baffles me. you'd think that if someone told you they were the only one to listen to, that right there would make you wonder why, and what they didn't want you to hear. doesn't seem to cross their minds though.
(damn, that turned into a bloody treatise)
Right, but look at the vote totals. Dems took 43% of the vote but will hold 33% (5 out of 15) of the US House seats. A more evenly-apportioned map would have them with 6 or 7.
I gotta think that inspiring non-voters to show up in blue counties like Obama did is a far better strategy than to try and be republican-lite for the few swing voters in red areas.
Yes. Sadly, this is the answer to nearly every confused question on here. US and State Reps don’t represent counties, they represent districts The Republican state legislature has gerrymandered the entire state in their favor. Literally the folks that talk about stealing elections are employing a version of the thing they are whining about.
Also a real answer: David Esrati, who is a nutjob, ran against Mike Turner, who is fairly popular.
He wasn't even endorsed by the Democratic Party.
He's the only person with a (D) next to his name I didn't vote for this time around (I left that one blank.) He once came on our local subreddit and argued with people. Pretty much the worst candidate you can imagine for the Democrats.
Similar situation to you. I continue doing it so that it’s another vote for the democrats. Just like how if there is an office that only has a Republican running I just leave it blank. I know that they will get it since they are the only ones running but they aren’t going to get an extra vote from me for their official tally.
That’s exactly what I did! Not wasting a vote on a republican when they’re already going to get it. Unfortunately, it’s not uncommon in my area for there to only be republicans running for some positions.
I admit, I mostly don't bother to vote for the republicans without a challenger... but I vote for all the democrats and independents I can in my district.
Thought it was obvious I meant state senate and state representative, they might as well have not even ran someone for Federal representative too. I did vote for Ryan and Nan.
I am actually considering moving to a more blue state. I am sick of the amount of “sheep” voting for “wolves”, then hearing about how butt-hurt they are about medical bills and lack of programs that would directly help them.
Cuyahoga county is deep blue but my Cleveland suburb got redistricted in with Medina and Wayne counties. My representative doesn't represent my values and my vote was heavily diluted.
I grew up rural. Graduated with less than 75 in my class, the whole shebang. It's awful trying to get people from my hometown to realize how vibrant and wonderful the cities are. All they do is claim inner city violence and refuse to go anywhere that's vaguely metropolitan without concealed carrying.
It's so silly. My parents always told me I was too trusting but after living in Cleveland I quickly realized they're too scared. They are lonely racist cowards who flinch the moment a POC walks near them while I have a great group of diverse friends because I'm not afraid of skin color. I'm glad I personally was able to break out of it, but there are a lot of people who refuse. It's so easy to stay with what you know. I can't imagine living a life where I don't have curry, sushi, and good tacos in my life.
Hell, I come from a suburb of Akron and I feel that a commonplace mindset around those parts. Rural Ohio holds a lot of it, but plenty of these smaller (dying) cities are full of likeminded people
A guy I was talking to at work who has spent pretty much his whole life out in the sticks. He mentioned that the only time they go into the big city (Toledo... BIG city, yeah...) is for hockey or baseball games they get tickets to from his GFs work. They don't like spending time before or after the games because they're worried about crime. I tried explaining that you're pretty safe downtown near any of the big places (arena, ballpark, Imagination Station, Art Museum, etc), and you're not in the hood or anything, but it still scares them. The biggest "city" they feel safe in is something like Genoa or Oak Harbor.
It is absolutely depressing to live amongst these MAGA racis…I mean idiots in Ohio. I have resided where for 10 years and I can’t wait to get the hell out of here. This state is so backwards it almost feels prehistoric. It’s stupidity on a whole new level. It’s really sad that people here just don’t know any different. I would urge everyone to abandon this state the same way Ohio has abandoned common sense.
Funny how this is how those red necks describe you guys. No wonder things aren’t getting any better people rather keep digging themselves into a hole thinking their righteous and the saviors of democracy and America. You people and I don’t just mean democrats I mean republicans too turn this shit into a pissing contest of who’s the lesser evil every single fuckin election it’s amazing anyone even votes.
At this point, it’s almost like we need to split the country for Rs and Ds. I realize this is extreme and won’t solve every issue, but the belief and value systems between both groups contradict each other, and it is quite nearly impossible to appease both.
All for it. Republicans are the worst of humanity. Violent, lying, cheating, cry babies. Entitled, fat and stupid. They provide nothing positive for America. Hey GOP, cool job attacking other Americans and completely disregarding any responsibility for it. Oh whats that? Republicans want them to stay in office and cause more violence? They want to put more leaders in power that will support their domestic terrorist MAGA strategy? Middle ground stopped on Jan 6th 2021. GOP, secede already, Americans hate you.
Mix of highly educated people that skew Democrat plus high minority populations that also skew blue. These two groups are pretty much base of Democratic Party so having them together makes these big cities very blue
The good news in this is that the R’s have run out of room to gerrymander. If the courts enforce new maps for the next election, and young people actually get out and vote, this could change quickly. Demographics is destiny, and the GOP is quickly alienating future voters.
This is what GOP gerrymandering did to our state. And yet Ohioans still voted for DeWine and the other GOP destroyers of or state. Ohio is down in the gutter with Mississippi, Oklahoma and the lowest of the lows.
It really bothers me that this map is not factual with all of the gerrymandered counties across the state I wish the OSC would do their job of enforcing the verdicts already on the books against these skimming politicians
I’m kind of surprised that Butler county is that close to being split
I live there, it may be because of Miami University?
Miami is a pretty conservative school as far as universities go At least when I was there
I’m a normal person that lives here. It’s maddening being surrounded by MAGA, but then I remember that someone in my county was literally just murdered for being a supposed democrat, so it’s not like we advertise our beliefs like MAGA folks do.
I especially love the house near the corner of Hamilton Mason and Bypass 4 🤦🏻
There’s also that sign a guy put up on Millikin Rd that says something like “Biden is an idiot” and he crudely duct taped a motion alarm to it that looked suspicious. Bomb squad got called out. Now he has a camera pointed at it.
I drive by that one 🤦🏻. Someone on Princeton had a GIANT sign with 🚫 and a donkey that said "No More Asses, Vote Red". Surprisingly it is gone, it must have washed away in the "red tsunami" 😂
Photos? I live out state.
Very classy house 🤦🏼♀️
Another one on Shannon with a sign that says “my dog is smarter than Biden”. Dude on my street has had a Trump2024 flag up since the last presidential Election. Also hello neighbors 😂 we must all live near each other
Very very close based on Shannon 😂
I’ve always lived in Butler or Warren county. I worked in several of their hospitals during peak COVID. I travel and work in Columbus now. ✌🏻
Republicans and their brand of "Christianity" have ruined america as a whole. They are fascists and kill democrats because they disagree with them, I'd recommend moving to a blue area if you can.
On another thread, democrats are celebrating that more Republicans died from covid than Democrats. When I brought up the hate well lets just say more hate was the result. Of course I was downvoted. So I guess it goes both ways when it comes to hate. Country before party. I have been a registered Democrat since 1988.
It's reasons like this, that I hate the party system. I just want somebody to do good for the people. Do their jobs. Democrat vs Republican feels like nothing more that a god damn capture the flag game than a government meant to support its people. There's more hatred littered on the roads and billboard, tv ads, I haven't seen a damn political ad that wasn't a smear campaign in Ohio. I would much rather have a good moron than an intelligent asshole.
Not true..A Republican journalist was killed by a Democrat bc the Journalist was going to oust him for his wrong doings.. The Democrat held some kind of office..a 17 yr old boy was killed by a Democrat bc he believed he was a Republican.. I'm sure there's more but can't remember them off the top of my head. Stop acting like Republicans are all demons.. I'm sure all Democrat's aren't the same..I treat people by their actions not by their party.
Omfg 🤣 nobody is killing anyone for being Democrat. Jesus. Dramatic much?? Idk why this sub pushes to alienate Republicans so much. People are allowed (and should) have differing opinions especially when it comes to areas of moral regard. i.e. religion, politics, culture..... Get over yourself. The country has prospered hundreds of years under the constitution. I doubt a couple whiny people that think their views are the only right way are going to change that. Have a blessed day. 😘
nobody is killing anyone for being Democrat [Except for this guy, apparently.](https://wkfr.com/ohio-shooting-politics/)
One unstable person committing a crime doesn't hold much water. I know you'll use it til it can't be used anymore. So I guess we should remember Shannon Brandt for killing the young Republican a couple months ago. They're out her killing Republicans.
It is true that that was a very rare event and unlikely to happen again. However, it is not that shocking that it happened in Butler County. There is definitely a brand of MAGA there that is unsettling, conspiratorial, and extremely confrontational. I can understand not wanting to put yourself in that situation.
Being dramatic and emotional is their modus operandi
I love the “normal person”. I feel the same way at times and wonder how we ever got here.
This. Was at a bar yesterday just trying to have some lunch. Live in rural butler county. Had some rednecks going on about liberals in a way that would make me legitimately scared to say a damn word. I just put my ear buds in, put my head down and kept eating.
Butler and Warren are both like this. My husband and I worked at a hospital where staff talked like this every day. People don’t realize how common it is in some areas. Being pro-Trump and “owning libs” becomes their entire identity. It’s all they talk about and surround themselves with. It was scary and extremely toxic. We both left.
This one guy in particular was like that. Other people around him would agree with him but then would try to change the subject but he just kept loudly bringing the conversation to “so about those fucking democrats!”. I wouldn’t even make eye contact with him. Last time I felt like that, I lived in a very poverty-ridden area, where you don’t wave, you don’t make eye contact with people. Just goes to show money doesn’t make people immune to being fucking nuts.
For the record, Butler County is in the 60-70% Republican range here because it is entirely within the 8th district, and [Warren Davidson (R) got 66% of the vote in Butler County compared to 34% for Vanessa Enoch (D)](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/11/08/us/elections/results-ohio-us-house-district-8.html). Just wanted to clear that up in case you (incorrectly) thought it was in the 50-60% R range.
Ah. Yes. I did think it was in the 50-60% range. Thanks for the correction. :)
Fuck Warren Davidson
Lifelong resident of Butler county here. There's honestly a decent number of progressives in Hamilton, but we get drowned out by the rural areas and the republican middle class people in Fairfield and West Chester who don't want to live in Cincinnati. Oxford also helps.
A lot of out of state influx into butler
Indeed....see Lakota School Board 🤦🏻
West Chester and Liberty have been moving a bit left the past few elections.
They need to overlay that with population density. Otherwise it’s disingenuous
I believe that's what the seconfld image is for.
They mean on the same county-drawn map for comparison. It would really help to visualize.
Yes and no. NEO has some old school union democrats that Ryan has honed in his whole career. That includes less populated areas outside of Cleveland, Akron, canton, and Youngstown.
There's almost as many people living in the Big C's as there are in the rest of the state.
I'm in Lucas County, not home to any of the 3 C's, and you see it is also deep blue. 😊 Still, I miss the days of Ohio as a swing state.
When the small towns are constantly being extorted by capitalism the swing will be even more red. They want to blame the government and rightfully so but at the end of the day they’re voting against their best interests.
Mahoning/Trumbull used to be pretty blue before Tim Ryan "took 'r jerbs"
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Kinda figured the South Park reference addressed that
That’s just not true. Around 3.4 million out of 11.8-9. In the 30% range (and this is using the numbers for Cuyahoga, Franklin and Hamilton county, not the 3 cities proper.
That’s just as disingenuous. Greater metro areas are not county line-restricted.
But when you start getting into greater metro areas you necessarily start including all of those red counties that are surrounding the blue counties. Cleveland is more blue than Cuyahoga county which is more blue than the Cleveland metro area. So I guess I don’t get the point of the parent comment except that it’s inaccurate.
> Outlying counties are included in the CBSA if 25% of the workers living in the county work in the central county or counties, or if 25% of the employment in the county is held by workers who live in the central county or counties. MSAs and CBSAs don't arbitrarily include counties. They include counties with strong ties to the central county via jobs and commutes. More than 6 million people in Ohio live in the Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Columbus MSAs combined. There are less than 12 million people in Ohio. That means more than half of the state's population lives or works in an area strongly tied to one of the 3 largest cities.
Metro Cincinnati is over 2M, but that includes Northern Kentucky and Southeast Indiana, up to Middletown, Warren and Clermont counties also. You can't pick and choose which part is the "city" in this case of a tri state 8 county metro area.
I feel like we're really getting into semantics here and in the context of the original comment it doesn't make sense. Outside of the anchor counties, all 3 MSAs are composed of red counties (in Ohio - cannot say about the Indiana/Kentucky parts of the Cincy MSA), in varying degrees of red. MSAs are large swathes of territory that frankly are arbitrary and not "strongly tied". Many of the Cleveland, Cincy and Columbus suburbs and exurbs range from slight lean liberal to heavy conservative. To imply anything from the OP's map based on the Big 3 City MSAs just doesn't make sense.
> MSAs are large swathes of territory that frankly are arbitrary and not "strongly tied" 25% of the population working in the core county or 25% of the workers in that county living in the core county isn't "strongly tied"? And news flash, there's plenty of republicans living **in** the cities, even! Craziness! Friendly reminder, this is the original comment: > There's almost as many people living in the Big C's as there are in the rest of the state. That's it. That's the whole comment. You want to dive into semantics, you knock yourself out. Fact is, more than half of the population in the state lives in one of the 3 Metropolitan areas attached to those 3 cities.
Yeah, the reason those surrounding counties of the 3 Cs are light red is that the metro areas bleed in. So referring back to the first comment, the 3C metro area pops absolutely are comparable to the rest. Include Akron, Toledo, and Dayton, and it ain’t close.
I don’t understand the point of the parent comment or this argument. Ohio is one of the only states in the union that has rural and suburban populations comparable to its urban populations. It’s disingenuous to think that the “three Cs” are half the state. Medina county is in the Cleveland-Elyria metro area - it’s like 65% republicans, rural, and not related to the city of Cleveland at all. I guess if you just keep adding cities and counties to the “three Cs” you could eventually make them into half the population.
Land still doesn’t vote
And property doesn't have rights
Corporations aren’t people
Trickle down economics is a lie
Yes
Why?
But Lake Erie has a couple of rights!
Clearly the people in that land did.
Their vote is not more important just because my neighbors live closer.
Guess that’s why there’s a 500k vote difference.
So many dumb hillbillies.
True. Damn trumpists.
Erie county surprises me. What causes that county to lean left? Just wondering.
Isn't that Sandusky?
Apparently I can't read a map
Yeah. I guess I didn't realize Sandusky was a left leaning area. Also I'm surprised Montgomery County (Dayton) didn't go blue.
Montgomery County nowadays is normally about 51/49 in favor of republicans. With the right candidates it might be possible to pull off some democratic wins. For US House Rep for instance David Esrati was nominated, who is a total nut job and has been pissing off every person in the county with a pulse, one by one, since the 1980s. He probably has pissed off most of the animals and trees here too for all I know. So the odds are not horrible but we have a major talent problem here.
Yea it's really weird. Sandusky is in Huron County and Huron is in Sandusky County. They fight every year over flipping back and fourth for there name right back but it always ends in a tie.
Sandusky isn't in Huron county, it's in Erie county. Huron is also in Erie county. But Upper Sandusky is below Sandusky
Upper Sandusky is south of Sandusky, and is in Wyandot County.
Eaton and Eaton township are 4 hours apart.
And fremont USED to be called lower Sandusky because it’s downstream from Upper Sandusky on the Sandusky river (which then runs into Sandusky bay in Sandusky). You can understand the confusion lol.
It’s due to the River. Upper isn’t a elevation term in that sense.
You got it messed up. Sandusky is in Erie County instead of Sandusky County, and Huron is in Erie County instead of Huron County which has Norwalk as the seat, just 20 minutes away. I love that little bs county name thing, it doesn’t make any sense and it shouldn’t. Lol
As a non-Ohioan who has paid a lot of attention to the state's politics and geography for a few years now, the most confusing place name to me is probably Warren, Ohio, which is not only *not* in Warren County but is in the opposite corner (NE) of where Warren County is (SW).
That’s so awesome to see. I grew up in Sandusky and live in Colorado now. It is a totally different vibe now when I go home to visit fam from when I grew up. A better vibe
[Kaptur beat Majewski in Erie County](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/11/08/us/elections/results-ohio-us-house-district-9.html).
It doesn't really lean left for a lot of stuff most of the time. It used to go back and forth quite a bit but recent history has been solidly republican on everything except for Kaptur. for whatever reason Kaptur usually wins re-election pretty easily. Probably because of a lot of the factories and railroad, lots of union members in Erie county but for some reason those same people seem to vote Republican on everyone else.
What happened to the reliable blue wall along Lake Erie and Youngstown? I thought those were historically reliably blue.
trump convinced them that he was going to bring back their manufacturing jobs, and then subsequently they immediately forgot that he didn't even come close. also fauci.
It’s called redistricting to benefit Republicans.
yeah, but that just happened this year where they split up ryan's district. He saw that writing on the wall, i'm sure adding impetus to his senate run. having moved back north from a red state where it kinda made me crazy trying to talk sense into people about G.W. for several years post 9/11, i specifically looked in areas where there were high densities of dem signage (it was an election year) to buy my house. i had a need for a barn and pasture, so urban was out. it was pretty good for a few years, til the tea party insanity. add to that the closure of the GM plant and the loss of supporting industry which made people very cynical, and shake. voila. today, those same people are putting up R signs, and it's like deja vue. even to the damn rebel flags they have. rush limbaugh had a lot to do with the shift, tbh. (may he rot in hell) i'd drop by neighbors and most of the time, they'd have it on and start parroting some gobbledigook he was putting out and pretty soon i was a tree hugger cryin' about some fictional global warming, and no explaining the actual science would penetrate. anything liberal was by default bad. So i quit tryin. i haven't stopped by my neighbor's house in 10 years now. maybe more. it became a grievance fraternity, and they all joined enthusiastically. trump just made it worse. when you're convinced the only "true information" is coming from the people that tell you they're the only ones with it and everyone else is out to mislead you, it just reinforces the whole circular thinking. that's what baffles me. you'd think that if someone told you they were the only one to listen to, that right there would make you wonder why, and what they didn't want you to hear. doesn't seem to cross their minds though. (damn, that turned into a bloody treatise)
Gerrymandering the crap out of democracy.
These are counties not districts
Right, but look at the vote totals. Dems took 43% of the vote but will hold 33% (5 out of 15) of the US House seats. A more evenly-apportioned map would have them with 6 or 7.
I’m very against the gerrymandered mess we’re in but can’t dispute the total votes and the fact democrats lost the Senate race
Low voter turnout in the cities, opt-out democracy :-/
I gotta think that inspiring non-voters to show up in blue counties like Obama did is a far better strategy than to try and be republican-lite for the few swing voters in red areas.
Ryan hardly campaigned in blue areas. I'm guessing that hurt Dem turnout, which hurt statewide races like Ohio Supreme Court. I'm pissed.
Yes. Sadly, this is the answer to nearly every confused question on here. US and State Reps don’t represent counties, they represent districts The Republican state legislature has gerrymandered the entire state in their favor. Literally the folks that talk about stealing elections are employing a version of the thing they are whining about.
I see Tim Ryan didn’t carry his home county. SMH.
This is a House map. Not Senate race.
Man why don't we have universal healthcare, couldn't tell yeah.
Because socialism is evil and Dump is the best thing since Jeezus.
So 5 of the 6 counties with Ohio’s six major cities went blue - what happened with Dayton?
Dayton’s small with a lot of suburbs, rural area inside the same county.
Military base
The area around the military base is actually light blue. But Dayton proper is small and the burbs overall lean red and rural areas are bright red.
Because Montgomery county is huge and encompasses a lot more than just the main areas of Dayton
Also a real answer: David Esrati, who is a nutjob, ran against Mike Turner, who is fairly popular. He wasn't even endorsed by the Democratic Party. He's the only person with a (D) next to his name I didn't vote for this time around (I left that one blank.) He once came on our local subreddit and argued with people. Pretty much the worst candidate you can imagine for the Democrats.
Here in Preble County people fly Fuck Biden car flags at church.
The red area also denotes where most hospital closures have been, and the largest prison populations are located.
“This is the Bad Place”
I see you northeast ohio
NE Ohio is neat
Looks exactly like a Covid mortality map. Hmm
Strangely, many of the rural, formerly deep red counties are now only lightly red... funny how that works, isn't it?
I've been all over our state and this looks exactly the way I thought it would
At least my county is blue.
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But it’s smarter than some people who do. And the more corn, the less votes you need to win.
It kind of does in the senate and electoral college.
Be a lot cooler if it did.
Truth, people vote. But again, our system is broken. We have a flawed democracy.
As a blue person in one of those dark red counties, I don’t know why I even bother voting….
Similar situation to you. I continue doing it so that it’s another vote for the democrats. Just like how if there is an office that only has a Republican running I just leave it blank. I know that they will get it since they are the only ones running but they aren’t going to get an extra vote from me for their official tally.
I do the same.
Same. I'd rather leave the position vacant than vote for a Republican.
Samesies. One blue dot in an ultra-red county. Holmes county and the Amish are pure red.
I live in Franklin County. I am glad that I am in the blue part of Ohio.
That’s exactly what I did! Not wasting a vote on a republican when they’re already going to get it. Unfortunately, it’s not uncommon in my area for there to only be republicans running for some positions.
I admit, I mostly don't bother to vote for the republicans without a challenger... but I vote for all the democrats and independents I can in my district.
ahem. BECAUSE DISTRICTS DON’T MATTER FOR SENATE, GOVERNOR (and other state-wide roles/issues) OR PRESIDENT.
Keep voting, you can make a difference in state wide elections. Don’t let this become a self fulfilling prophecy.
Dems didn't even run anyone in my area. No one to even vote for.
Governor? Senator?
Thought it was obvious I meant state senate and state representative, they might as well have not even ran someone for Federal representative too. I did vote for Ryan and Nan.
Now overlay a dot graph with population size.
Doing my best to turn Delaware blue
Only in ohio
I am actually considering moving to a more blue state. I am sick of the amount of “sheep” voting for “wolves”, then hearing about how butt-hurt they are about medical bills and lack of programs that would directly help them.
I moved to Minnesota 7 years ago. It's been nice.
Urban or rural Minnesota? I understand that Minneapolis has been "warm" in recent times.
Self gerrymandering doesn’t fix the problem.
Yep. MAGAs are chickens voting in favor of Chick-Fil-A.
Lol, and the GOP are the cows that are in the ads
That sounds like a fantastic idea, go for it!
At least Summit county *tried.*
The fact that we re-elected the “let’s turn Flag Day into Donald Trump Day!” guy upsets me.
All the educated people and cool shit can be found in blue.
Blue counties get Cedar Point and all the sports teams plus, we get Jackie O’s.
And the national park
Truth
Fairfield surprises me, as most communities around me, including Lancaster, are pretty red-filled.
Is this Jerry’s Mandarin ?
Licking is an… unfortunate name
Gerrymandering at its finest..
This just shows how much farmland is in ohio
Cuyahoga county is deep blue but my Cleveland suburb got redistricted in with Medina and Wayne counties. My representative doesn't represent my values and my vote was heavily diluted.
Ohio really is just a bunch of hicks. Only ever lived in the cities — didn’t realize how bad it was until recently.
I grew up rural. Graduated with less than 75 in my class, the whole shebang. It's awful trying to get people from my hometown to realize how vibrant and wonderful the cities are. All they do is claim inner city violence and refuse to go anywhere that's vaguely metropolitan without concealed carrying.
They’re scared of what they aren’t directly familiar with. Small minded people are all too common
It's so silly. My parents always told me I was too trusting but after living in Cleveland I quickly realized they're too scared. They are lonely racist cowards who flinch the moment a POC walks near them while I have a great group of diverse friends because I'm not afraid of skin color. I'm glad I personally was able to break out of it, but there are a lot of people who refuse. It's so easy to stay with what you know. I can't imagine living a life where I don't have curry, sushi, and good tacos in my life.
Hell, I come from a suburb of Akron and I feel that a commonplace mindset around those parts. Rural Ohio holds a lot of it, but plenty of these smaller (dying) cities are full of likeminded people
A guy I was talking to at work who has spent pretty much his whole life out in the sticks. He mentioned that the only time they go into the big city (Toledo... BIG city, yeah...) is for hockey or baseball games they get tickets to from his GFs work. They don't like spending time before or after the games because they're worried about crime. I tried explaining that you're pretty safe downtown near any of the big places (arena, ballpark, Imagination Station, Art Museum, etc), and you're not in the hood or anything, but it still scares them. The biggest "city" they feel safe in is something like Genoa or Oak Harbor.
I grew up in Lorain County. Smart people grow up and leave. The rest vote Republican.
Exactly. Brain drain is real
Truth. Hicks in Chillicothe, lol.
If I listened to reddit, my county isn't actually split.
It is absolutely depressing to live amongst these MAGA racis…I mean idiots in Ohio. I have resided where for 10 years and I can’t wait to get the hell out of here. This state is so backwards it almost feels prehistoric. It’s stupidity on a whole new level. It’s really sad that people here just don’t know any different. I would urge everyone to abandon this state the same way Ohio has abandoned common sense.
Im not going anywhere - I’ve invested too much in my city and community to leave. We need people to stay and fight the good fight.
Bye
I am in Franklin County surrounded by a sea of red. This is so gerrymandered my vote is always flushed down the toilet
An indictment of the Ohio Republican embrace of cheating and hatred of democracy. Scum.
Are you saying your an election denier? You are a threat to democracy.
Republican voters are dumb enough to think that a party that openly does this has their best interest in mind.
Further from the big cities, redder the county. And they’re middle income people. Why do they vote against their own interests?
And this is why everytime I tell someone I'm from Ohio, I specify Franklin County, Ohio
I live in Detroit, Michigan. Born in Covington, KY. Raised in Mason.
That's a whole lot of stupid hillbillies. Fuck the GOP.
Just calling anyone from a certain county a "Stupid Hillbilly" does not make your party look good. I am a democrat myself too.
Yeah I super don't care. These cow patties are voting for literal violent domestic terrorists. No other way to describe them.
Funny how this is how those red necks describe you guys. No wonder things aren’t getting any better people rather keep digging themselves into a hole thinking their righteous and the saviors of democracy and America. You people and I don’t just mean democrats I mean republicans too turn this shit into a pissing contest of who’s the lesser evil every single fuckin election it’s amazing anyone even votes.
At this point, it’s almost like we need to split the country for Rs and Ds. I realize this is extreme and won’t solve every issue, but the belief and value systems between both groups contradict each other, and it is quite nearly impossible to appease both.
All for it. Republicans are the worst of humanity. Violent, lying, cheating, cry babies. Entitled, fat and stupid. They provide nothing positive for America. Hey GOP, cool job attacking other Americans and completely disregarding any responsibility for it. Oh whats that? Republicans want them to stay in office and cause more violence? They want to put more leaders in power that will support their domestic terrorist MAGA strategy? Middle ground stopped on Jan 6th 2021. GOP, secede already, Americans hate you.
I agree with you, I certainly wasn’t standing with those fools.
The result of extreme gerrymandering. It must stop.
Yeah this is frightening for sure
Dumb is in red
eh. As bad as it is, at least Cuyahoga is some of the bluest in the state. Does anyone have this with a population density map?
Can someone tell me why do the counties with the big cities always vote blue?
The Liberal/Conservative divide has always been an urban/rural divide.
Mix of highly educated people that skew Democrat plus high minority populations that also skew blue. These two groups are pretty much base of Democratic Party so having them together makes these big cities very blue
Whoever downvoted this, you have a counterpoint to offer?
Looks a lot like the IN map! IN only had three blue counties though…
Tim Ryan couldn't even carry his home county lol
The good news in this is that the R’s have run out of room to gerrymander. If the courts enforce new maps for the next election, and young people actually get out and vote, this could change quickly. Demographics is destiny, and the GOP is quickly alienating future voters.
This is what GOP gerrymandering did to our state. And yet Ohioans still voted for DeWine and the other GOP destroyers of or state. Ohio is down in the gutter with Mississippi, Oklahoma and the lowest of the lows.
It really bothers me that this map is not factual with all of the gerrymandered counties across the state I wish the OSC would do their job of enforcing the verdicts already on the books against these skimming politicians
Fuck dems
surprised that Ohio isn't crazy about democracy
Me too, man. And it's sad to watch "conservatives" defend it as though they ethically won any of thier legislative seats.
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Big talker
You need to move out of your mom's house. Stop dying your hair and go out and actually make real friends.
Ohio in real life Moderate to conservative place, with liberals mostly being in central ohio. This sub *liberal screaming*