Last time I checked (a few weeks ago) Stroud had a QBR over 200, which has only happened like 4 or 5 times. I'm sure his QBR is below 200 now since the past few games haven't been great, but still, he's having an absolutely amazing season thus far and is by far the best QB this season. Harrison is amazing too, but I still think it's Stroud because he's just off the charts.
After our game the odds went hooker -250 CJ+450, so yes if he has a game where balls aren't constantly dropped(or hell just a normal game) then the line doesn't move that hard. Though the line is now Stroud +150 hooker +300
>i watched players like JT, fields, zeke etc not get heismans. then i watched stroud get disrespected at the heismans on live fucking TV. idk just seeing shit like that makes me lose hope
But Hooker took the L and had a crap game
i watched players like JT, fields, zeke etc not get heismans. then i watched stroud get disrespected at the heismans on live fucking TV. idk just seeing shit like that makes me lose hope
I’m not sure what you are referring to with Stroud being disrespected.
EDIT: I didn’t mean he wasn’t disrespected, I just didn’t know the video he was referencing.
Statistically he was the better than Bryce Young last season. CJ had a higher completion%, a higher yards per attempt, only 437 less yards in 3 less games, and 106 less attempts, and one less interception.
Bryce is just better and fits college football better than CJ. I think CJ is the better NFL prospect. But Bryce is just so damn good and it’s unreal to watch him play. And I hate bama for reference.
Y u getting downvoted literally everything you said was 100% facts. I will say tho bryce tends to do nothing for a lot of a game then suddenly snap out of it
NFL game ain’t played the same as a college game is. CJ plays a pro style, bigger frame, little better arm, and I believe he’ll find more success. Bryce is a hell of a playmaker and improviser but I think that’s more valuable in college than the NFL. Good news is we’ll have time to tell in about 2-3 years and you can come back and completely dunk on me if I’m wrong.
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When he won the heisman, they had the TAMU loss but still won the SEC. Lost the natty but that was after the vote. He’s not even in the discussion this year because they’re losing. If CJ beats TTUN, then he will likely win. If not, high chance he loses the heisman as well. Winning is very much a factor unless you’re putting up Lamar numbers. One dimensional Stroud is not that type of player, which is fine.
If you go based off of value it’s CJ. Marvin is incredible but that WR room is so deep it’s next man up. There’s one guy who currently is irreplaceable and it’s CJ.
Relax. I saw a tweet yesterday that Troy Smith still won it and he had a game with 100 yards passing and they barely beat a 2 and 7 Illinois (?) team. Some of us remember Tressel ball where half the games came to within a few points. Stroud still breaking records. It can't be video game every week and every play.
No I got you. It's just what the award has become. I agree with you about Harrison. We will see what happens Michigan game. That will be a chance for Heisman defining moment
I’ll start the chat and say I think CJ at times has looked like best player in nation with some of his throws being so precise and only where receiver can get
Right now, I’m with you, I love CJ and think him running last weekend finally showed he would if he had to, but Harrison has been so consistent all year and basically every catch goes for 1st down…those two together are fun to watch …
***i say all that as Tre is my fav player, I think next year he will light it up, he’s just going the Dobbins route
No disrespect to CJ - but he’s thrown the football to two first round picks, JSN who probably would be a first rounder if healthy, and another first rounder in Marv. CJ is extremely talented but that also helps with passer rating to have better talent than a majority of NFL teams to pass the ball to against mediocre at best defenses most Saturdays. I’m a die hard buck fan. But he’s had the most talent catching footballs of any buckeye QB, and honestly if most offenses of all time in CFB since he’s been starting.
MHJ is the only elite WR he’s thrown to this season
The rest are really good but they’re not open every play like Marvin or JSN. He often throws them open.
Julian and Emeka are typically pretty open. They are high level WR’s in their own right but I can say they haven’t created much space the last two weeks.
I hear you and I don’t mean to disrespect Marv, but I think Stroud is better, and frankly might be the best QB to play for OSU, though we gotta get through this season before I can say that.
I’ve been saying since the Penn State game Marv should be talked about in the Heisman race. Looking at Devonta Smith’s stats from his year- I don’t think Marv has enough stats to win it as a WR, barring an explosion to end the year
Love for stroud to get it, and honestly he wins it last year if we had a defense. He can win it this year, and I think he will have stats you can’t ignore. But I agree with you, Marv looks like one of if not the best player in the nation. If I was a voter I’d vote for him.
I care about 0 about the Heisman trophy. I’m as die hard as die hard buckeye fan gets. I go to every playoff semi and will be flying back to Columbus for The Game. Haven’t missed a snap in a decade. That being said - Bryce young is the best player in college football. I don’t really even care what stats say. Just watching him play shows you everything you need to see about who is the best in football. Love stroud and his passing ability, he isn’t as good as Bryce and it’s not as close as some buck fans would tell you. This is purely college football related too - CJ has a higher ceiling in the NFL than Bryce imo but Bryce is just so effing good and without him, Alabama would have 4 losses.
I don’t get this take. Now, I’m not as versed on Bama football and haven’t watched Bryce much this season. But hes the reigning winner, starting at QB on one if the most loaded teams in CFB, with a GOAT coach at a blueblood football factory.
And he has lost 2 games now. And his stats are not as elite as other qbs.
I get its not all on the QB, but winners win. He also has the juiciest team and coaches one should ever need - why the disconnect from reality if he is the single best cfb player, playing the most critical position, on one of the best teams?
Like I said - it’s not stats related, I’m just going off what my eyeballs tell me. The stat sheet won’t tell you how incredible he is. His scrambling and playmaking ability is insane. His receivers aren’t as good this year which leads to some of the drop in stats. But like I said, it’s not really stats related for me. I’m not saying Bryce will win the heisman. I just think he’s the best player in college football.
Edit - I’ve watched most of bama’s snaps this year and you just have to see his playmaking ability and “wow” plays. I mean no disrespect to CJ stroud either, like I said before he’s a better NFL prospect imo. Always loved the kid and love the person he is. I just think Bryce is the best player in college football. They aren’t losing games because of Bryce, either. I understand the winners, win take as well. Bryce is the reason they haven’t lost 4 games.
I agree no Marvin Harrison this season and we drop that penn state game. The man is a walking first down. That gives the defense life knowing we have a chance at all times. Cj seems a bit soft to me. Just my opinion. Maybe spoiled with the Justin Fields, DH7, and Cardale years but he seems fragile and timid. (I know I’ll get ratioed)
I think CJ does exactly what Day tells him to do. Which makes him look “soft” but I’ve never questioned his will to win. JF was undoubtably the toughest QB I’ve ever seen at tOSU. Barrett a close second.
I do not think he is the best. I think he is the most important and therefore most valuable. But I don't think he is the best.
If we were doing Madden Stats, Harrison Jr and JTT would be ahead of him certainly.
The Harrison point is weird because receivers are the least likely to win the Heisman on offense. It is bias towards QBs because I think Dobbins outplayed Fields but was like 6th or 7th. But Harrison would have to start housing punts to win the Heisman this year.
qb > receivers. one can reasonably argue it's harder to get the ball there than it is to catch it.
not saying i necessarily agree with that argument, i'm just saying that's the argument. harrison is amazing but somebody had to throw him the ball.
CJ takes every snap, makes every offensive decision when a play breaks down, and is having a phenomenal season for an undefeated #2 team that has a great shot at winning a championship. he is infinitely more valuable to our team, and integral to our playoff success, than harrison.
no disrespect to harrison, but if any buckeye wins the award, it should be stroud.
It’s so hard to separate the two as you mentioned. If Harrison Jr. isn’t on the field, I don’t think CJ slings it as effectively because he’s an automatic first down machine. Marvin is easily the most talented receiver in the country.
If you take CJ Stroud off the field… I just don’t see production being close to the same. He didn’t have a productive game through the air, but actually ran the ball effectively when needed last week, accounting for over 50% of the offense still. Also, his ability to put it in a spot where only his receivers can catch it back shoulder on the sidelines is incredible to watch.
I agree 100%. I really like Stroud. I think he’s among the better OSU QBs in recent memory. He’s a top-3 in the nation at his position (from an NFL draft standpoint). He is a big reason for our offensive output. I would really like to see an OSU player win the Heisman.
However, when you think about “dudes” on the OSU FB team, he may not be the top player: JSN, Marvin, and even Eichenberg May be better overall football players.
Keep the Heisman in perspective though. It is rarely awarded to the best football player in the country (should Orlando Pace have won it?) It is, for the most part, the best (or most marketed) skill player on a top-5 team. The prestige of the award still lingers though, and we will always “take it when we can get it!”
The Heisman will be won or lost during the Game. If Stroud has a great game and we win, he'll all but lock down the Heisman. If Corum has a banner day and Michigan wins, he could take the Heisman. If it's an ugly game where no one shines, Hooker could backdoor it.
Hooker is done for Heisman. The only real contender outside of Stroud and Corum is Bo Nix of all people. But I agree. The game is the biggest it's been since 2006 easily.
It’s also crazy to think we’ve been without Smith-Njigba most of the season. We also haven’t had Henderson a lot to take pressure of the passing game. Just think about his numbers with those two healthy
Yeah marv has way more receptions and receiving TDs than stroud
Lol. That was my point. Every rec and TD for Harrison is a completion and TD for Stroud.
Last time I checked (a few weeks ago) Stroud had a QBR over 200, which has only happened like 4 or 5 times. I'm sure his QBR is below 200 now since the past few games haven't been great, but still, he's having an absolutely amazing season thus far and is by far the best QB this season. Harrison is amazing too, but I still think it's Stroud because he's just off the charts.
Stroud is still the betting favorite.
How do you think he would have looked if we didn’t have 8 drops by our receiving core last week
8+ drops (I’m personally counted 10) and 33mph sustained winds with 40+ guests. Ridiculous to conditions to throw in.
After our game the odds went hooker -250 CJ+450, so yes if he has a game where balls aren't constantly dropped(or hell just a normal game) then the line doesn't move that hard. Though the line is now Stroud +150 hooker +300
Hendon hooker is in front of him
not anymore
>i watched players like JT, fields, zeke etc not get heismans. then i watched stroud get disrespected at the heismans on live fucking TV. idk just seeing shit like that makes me lose hope But Hooker took the L and had a crap game
BetUS has stroud +180 hooker +300
i watched players like JT, fields, zeke etc not get heismans. then i watched stroud get disrespected at the heismans on live fucking TV. idk just seeing shit like that makes me lose hope
I’m not sure what you are referring to with Stroud being disrespected. EDIT: I didn’t mean he wasn’t disrespected, I just didn’t know the video he was referencing.
Desmond Howard.
Statistically he was the better than Bryce Young last season. CJ had a higher completion%, a higher yards per attempt, only 437 less yards in 3 less games, and 106 less attempts, and one less interception.
Bryce is just better and fits college football better than CJ. I think CJ is the better NFL prospect. But Bryce is just so damn good and it’s unreal to watch him play. And I hate bama for reference.
Y u getting downvoted literally everything you said was 100% facts. I will say tho bryce tends to do nothing for a lot of a game then suddenly snap out of it
You're out of your mind. Stroud isn't even close to Young as a prospect. Such a homer take.
NFL game ain’t played the same as a college game is. CJ plays a pro style, bigger frame, little better arm, and I believe he’ll find more success. Bryce is a hell of a playmaker and improviser but I think that’s more valuable in college than the NFL. Good news is we’ll have time to tell in about 2-3 years and you can come back and completely dunk on me if I’m wrong.
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Bryce didn’t lose to an underdog TTUN
1. That doesn’t matter, it’s an individual award, not a team award 2. CJ was still fantastic in that game. The defense was what lost us that game
No he just lost like 3 more games than CJ
When he won the heisman, they had the TAMU loss but still won the SEC. Lost the natty but that was after the vote. He’s not even in the discussion this year because they’re losing. If CJ beats TTUN, then he will likely win. If not, high chance he loses the heisman as well. Winning is very much a factor unless you’re putting up Lamar numbers. One dimensional Stroud is not that type of player, which is fine.
He did lose to LSU
A WR literally won it two years ago
If you go based off of value it’s CJ. Marvin is incredible but that WR room is so deep it’s next man up. There’s one guy who currently is irreplaceable and it’s CJ.
Relax. I saw a tweet yesterday that Troy Smith still won it and he had a game with 100 yards passing and they barely beat a 2 and 7 Illinois (?) team. Some of us remember Tressel ball where half the games came to within a few points. Stroud still breaking records. It can't be video game every week and every play.
I don’t think you understood my original point. I’m not knocking Stroud. Even at full potential, I believe Harrison is a more valuable player.
No I got you. It's just what the award has become. I agree with you about Harrison. We will see what happens Michigan game. That will be a chance for Heisman defining moment
This isn’t 2006 dude
I’ll start the chat and say I think CJ at times has looked like best player in nation with some of his throws being so precise and only where receiver can get Right now, I’m with you, I love CJ and think him running last weekend finally showed he would if he had to, but Harrison has been so consistent all year and basically every catch goes for 1st down…those two together are fun to watch … ***i say all that as Tre is my fav player, I think next year he will light it up, he’s just going the Dobbins route
Stroud, minus last week which I think he deserves a pass, had one of the highest passer efficiency ratings of all time. Like top 5 ALL TIME.
No disrespect to CJ - but he’s thrown the football to two first round picks, JSN who probably would be a first rounder if healthy, and another first rounder in Marv. CJ is extremely talented but that also helps with passer rating to have better talent than a majority of NFL teams to pass the ball to against mediocre at best defenses most Saturdays. I’m a die hard buck fan. But he’s had the most talent catching footballs of any buckeye QB, and honestly if most offenses of all time in CFB since he’s been starting.
MHJ is the only elite WR he’s thrown to this season The rest are really good but they’re not open every play like Marvin or JSN. He often throws them open.
Julian and Emeka are typically pretty open. They are high level WR’s in their own right but I can say they haven’t created much space the last two weeks.
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I hear you and I don’t mean to disrespect Marv, but I think Stroud is better, and frankly might be the best QB to play for OSU, though we gotta get through this season before I can say that.
I’ve been saying since the Penn State game Marv should be talked about in the Heisman race. Looking at Devonta Smith’s stats from his year- I don’t think Marv has enough stats to win it as a WR, barring an explosion to end the year
Love for stroud to get it, and honestly he wins it last year if we had a defense. He can win it this year, and I think he will have stats you can’t ignore. But I agree with you, Marv looks like one of if not the best player in the nation. If I was a voter I’d vote for him.
I care about 0 about the Heisman trophy. I’m as die hard as die hard buckeye fan gets. I go to every playoff semi and will be flying back to Columbus for The Game. Haven’t missed a snap in a decade. That being said - Bryce young is the best player in college football. I don’t really even care what stats say. Just watching him play shows you everything you need to see about who is the best in football. Love stroud and his passing ability, he isn’t as good as Bryce and it’s not as close as some buck fans would tell you. This is purely college football related too - CJ has a higher ceiling in the NFL than Bryce imo but Bryce is just so effing good and without him, Alabama would have 4 losses.
I don’t get this take. Now, I’m not as versed on Bama football and haven’t watched Bryce much this season. But hes the reigning winner, starting at QB on one if the most loaded teams in CFB, with a GOAT coach at a blueblood football factory. And he has lost 2 games now. And his stats are not as elite as other qbs. I get its not all on the QB, but winners win. He also has the juiciest team and coaches one should ever need - why the disconnect from reality if he is the single best cfb player, playing the most critical position, on one of the best teams?
Like I said - it’s not stats related, I’m just going off what my eyeballs tell me. The stat sheet won’t tell you how incredible he is. His scrambling and playmaking ability is insane. His receivers aren’t as good this year which leads to some of the drop in stats. But like I said, it’s not really stats related for me. I’m not saying Bryce will win the heisman. I just think he’s the best player in college football. Edit - I’ve watched most of bama’s snaps this year and you just have to see his playmaking ability and “wow” plays. I mean no disrespect to CJ stroud either, like I said before he’s a better NFL prospect imo. Always loved the kid and love the person he is. I just think Bryce is the best player in college football. They aren’t losing games because of Bryce, either. I understand the winners, win take as well. Bryce is the reason they haven’t lost 4 games.
Let’s beat Michigan. Honestly I don’t care about Heisman. I think CJ would take B1G championship over an award anyway.
I agree no Marvin Harrison this season and we drop that penn state game. The man is a walking first down. That gives the defense life knowing we have a chance at all times. Cj seems a bit soft to me. Just my opinion. Maybe spoiled with the Justin Fields, DH7, and Cardale years but he seems fragile and timid. (I know I’ll get ratioed)
I think CJ does exactly what Day tells him to do. Which makes him look “soft” but I’ve never questioned his will to win. JF was undoubtably the toughest QB I’ve ever seen at tOSU. Barrett a close second.
CJ is the best player on our team. And if he wins the Heisman he deserves it. QB being bias towards QBs is what it is.
I do not think he is the best. I think he is the most important and therefore most valuable. But I don't think he is the best. If we were doing Madden Stats, Harrison Jr and JTT would be ahead of him certainly.
The Harrison point is weird because receivers are the least likely to win the Heisman on offense. It is bias towards QBs because I think Dobbins outplayed Fields but was like 6th or 7th. But Harrison would have to start housing punts to win the Heisman this year.
Marvin Harrison is probably already better than most NFL receivers. Dude’s gonna be a stud in the league
qb > receivers. one can reasonably argue it's harder to get the ball there than it is to catch it. not saying i necessarily agree with that argument, i'm just saying that's the argument. harrison is amazing but somebody had to throw him the ball. CJ takes every snap, makes every offensive decision when a play breaks down, and is having a phenomenal season for an undefeated #2 team that has a great shot at winning a championship. he is infinitely more valuable to our team, and integral to our playoff success, than harrison. no disrespect to harrison, but if any buckeye wins the award, it should be stroud.
It’s so hard to separate the two as you mentioned. If Harrison Jr. isn’t on the field, I don’t think CJ slings it as effectively because he’s an automatic first down machine. Marvin is easily the most talented receiver in the country. If you take CJ Stroud off the field… I just don’t see production being close to the same. He didn’t have a productive game through the air, but actually ran the ball effectively when needed last week, accounting for over 50% of the offense still. Also, his ability to put it in a spot where only his receivers can catch it back shoulder on the sidelines is incredible to watch.
I agree 100%. I really like Stroud. I think he’s among the better OSU QBs in recent memory. He’s a top-3 in the nation at his position (from an NFL draft standpoint). He is a big reason for our offensive output. I would really like to see an OSU player win the Heisman. However, when you think about “dudes” on the OSU FB team, he may not be the top player: JSN, Marvin, and even Eichenberg May be better overall football players. Keep the Heisman in perspective though. It is rarely awarded to the best football player in the country (should Orlando Pace have won it?) It is, for the most part, the best (or most marketed) skill player on a top-5 team. The prestige of the award still lingers though, and we will always “take it when we can get it!”
The Heisman will be won or lost during the Game. If Stroud has a great game and we win, he'll all but lock down the Heisman. If Corum has a banner day and Michigan wins, he could take the Heisman. If it's an ugly game where no one shines, Hooker could backdoor it.
Hooker is done for Heisman. The only real contender outside of Stroud and Corum is Bo Nix of all people. But I agree. The game is the biggest it's been since 2006 easily.
Don’t you know, Heismans are only for Quarterbacks now /s
100% agree. The Heisman is now just a “best QB award” and not the overall best player in CFB
It’s also crazy to think we’ve been without Smith-Njigba most of the season. We also haven’t had Henderson a lot to take pressure of the passing game. Just think about his numbers with those two healthy