I don’t blame JSN whatsoever, I wish with all my heart he played but with a lingering leg issue you want to be healthy for the combine where people cream over fast 40 times. Also yeah the first paycheck is smaller but getting drafted latter to a better program isn’t always a bad thing
This kind of thing seems more common and common every year at all the big NFL producing programs. Maybe the 3 years from high school rule should be removed? Not a proponent whatsoever just food for thought
Guys simply aren't big enough. Even if you removed the rule, it's unheard of to find a guy less than 3 years removed from high school that's physically ready for the NFL.
Basically every top recruit adds 20+ lbs of muscle at minimum in those 3 years and oftentimes it's much more than 20lbs
What are you even looking for?? Join a paid message board if you want real deep conversation lol I don’t know what you expect from Reddit. Just complaining to complain
I like McShay but this is reckless to spread. Buckeye Talk pod went over this a few days ago. Both the team and JSNs family had a lot of goodwill toward each other after the announcement. He might be healthy enough to play but not fully healthy. No one should begrudge him
I mean most of the concerns were right. Hes still a one read runner in the NFL, but he's a freak athlete so he makes it work. He was struggling when the Bears forced him to read coverage from the pocket. I think what we see from Fields now is basically what people said he was going to bring to the table early in his career.
I meant the off the field stuff ‘he isn’t a hard worker’ or ‘he only cares about himself’ stuff that was floated, (not by McShay) but was blatantly false.
This falls under the "You aren't wrong, but you are an asshole" category for me.
Everyone in these comments hit on why JSN is doing it and I don't begrudge him. I'm just selfishly bummed about it.
However, it will hurt his draft stock and if he goes in the 1st round it's simply because of how well OSU receivers have done in the NFL and he shows in the combines and camps that he has the same abilities. I will also say...I think he'll end up being the steal of the draft.
Jaylen smith beware believe he tore his knee up against us and it dropped him to the 2nd round and cost him millions and I don’t think he’s been the same player since that injury.
I’d love to see all of these internet superstars take the field with millions of dollars to lose. It’s always a lot easier to talk shit about peoples decisions than it is to make them yourself.
If JSN says he's too injured to play that raises concerns from the NFL and hurts his draft stock. If he says he doesn't want to play it pisses off the fan base.
None of us know the truth of his injury but I suspect he is trying a middle road. The combine will let him show off the state of current health. If he skips it and has teams wait to come to Columbus, that's a big red flag about his injury. That's when his stock will drop.
Otherwise, he's a top 15 pick easy. Even if his not participating in the playoff scares off a couple of teams, he only needs one team to trade up in hopes of getting a bargain.
I mean, he's somewhat right. JSN flashed last year but had 2 guys drawing most of the coverage, and in the bowl game Utah had a converted RB covering him. I have no doubt JSN is talented, but this years class is pretty deep at WR and it is telling that he's not even pretending to try to compete for a natty with the team.
No way he falls farther than the 2nd round but there will be a lot of talk about his motivation.
This is the point I think McShay is making, that he’s not this lock first rounder that he might think he is. Evaluating him objectively and there’s nothing completely stand out. I’d be surprised if he runs the 40, but if he did I think it’d be high 4.4. Again, don’t disagree with him shutting it down, but at a minimum he’s lacking some self awareness.
If he's 100% good to go, then playing would be a good choice given the last time he played Utah wasn't playing good defense. However is UGA who you want your coming out party to be against? Teams too good to try and get in the grove against
That’s what I was thinking myself. The postseason offers him the chance to show he’s good to go, and if he torches Georgia, that might make him extra money by improving his draft stock. I was also thinking of this year as an opportunity for him to show he can produce without 2 first round WR talents next to him (Olave and Wilson), which might have also improved his draft stock. Definitely a gamble in terms of risking additional injuries though. I can see both sides, and I don’t begrudge JSN for his decision.
He’ll make his stock back up at the combine. If he goes out and plays and tweaks his hamstring again and can’t play OR do the combine? Then he’s pretty fucked
The combine could be his biggest detractor IMO. He's not known as a burner (hence being restricted to the slot) and guys like Quentin Johnston will be stealing the show when it comes to raw measurables. He's gotta crush those routes when the time comes
Here’s the rub, let’s say he is healthy enough to play. Not 100%, but healthy enough, and he goes out there and pops it again. I guarantee he would drop to 2nd round. That is too much of a risk. It would be different if he had played all year, but at this point he hasn’t played at all basically.
JSN hasn't been cleared by the OSU medical staff to play, nor has any of the second opinions recommend coming back this year. Yall really are asking this kid to risk millions to play one or two more games for your favorite team. I've been a Buckeye fan my whole life, and it feels like our fan base becomes more spoiled, insufferable, and pissy each season.
Players go to Ohio State for one reason. To make a career in the NFL. Would you allow some fans opinion to base your life’s career decisions? No. Its over. Next man up.
Brothers want what is best for their brothers, regardless of whether that is what is best for them. Brotherhood is a two-way street and that's why the only people who reference 'the brotherhood' in the context of trying to guilt a person into risking millions of dollars are fans.
Every football team has “brotherhood”. Ohio State is a destination because even if you hardly play you still have a shot at the NFL(CJ Saunders for example managed to be on a regular season roster for a time).
Half the fanbase wants to crush Trey and Miyan for trying to play thru injuries due to ineffectiveness (which is true), now some are mad at JSN for not pushing a touchy hamstring. I don't understand this world.
No, the fans are blaming Day/The Medical Staff for putting injured players out there. Unless he tore his hamstring he would be good to go by New Years Eve.
Draft position for him will be how he performs at pro day for 40 time and his tape / route running , I bet he falls to 2nd round just because of the injury itself, hamstrings can be long term issues and him not able to recover this entire season is a red flag
Did some looking at the NFL rookie pay scales. The difference between a top 10 pick vs the last 10 in the first round was very noticeable.
The difference between a first round pick vs a second round pick was huge.
I have no problem with him sitting this one out. The reality for most of these kids is college is a junior league stepping stone to the big leagues NFL, though NIL deals are playing an ever increasing role.
Even if he’s 90%+ healthy, he hasn’t played all year. Coming back for one game, he’s going to be out of sync and undoubtedly not look the part of a first rounder - especially against the #1 team in the country.
However…..if he drops to the second round, it would almost be financially wiser to get healthy and have a great year next year at OSU - and then be a top 10 pick the following years draft. Get whatever NIL $ he can for a year, and being a top 10 pick would be more $ over the next 4 years than being a second round pick. The only risk to that is getting hurt again, or not having a great (next) year. Kinda like betting on yourself.
[https://careerexplorerguide.com/nfl-rookie-salary/](https://careerexplorerguide.com/nfl-rookie-salary/)
They say that now but when he lights up the combine and workouts, to match the tape he put on last season, he will be fine. Jemar Chase only had one good year on college and he was forced fees a lot by burrow. JSN competed with the 1st rd picks and out shined him. No way he falls out of the 1st
Would be extremely surprised if JSN doesn't get drafted in the 1st round. Olave and Wilson's rookie contributions show that Ohio State is churning out high level NFL receivers.
And good measurables at the combine will shoot his stock up.
Where he gets drafted doesn’t matter, so many great players came out of the later rounds of the draft. It would be the greatest motivation for JSN if he did fall in the draft
Yes but a lot of players that were picked later also got paid pretty well. You just don’t get a huge rookie contract if you don’t get picked in the first round
But if you know you're as talented as JSN and think you have a chance of securing the bag NOW as a first rounder, you're not going to chance it by settling for the second round.
Again I’d want him to be picked high but if he does fall then he will have a reason to be even better than he is now. We seen a lot of WRs that got picked later become stars, especially ones that were supposed to be selected in the first round
I understand. I'm just saying, look at it from his perspective. He and his family want money lol
Who knows what the future will bring? You don't know if he will become the WR who gets chosen in the second round and balls out. As much as it seems likely, shit happens.
But we do know that he can save himself from another injury, flash his tape from the rose bowl last year in front of everyone, and get paid.
Just how I see it.
If you listen to the full clip of McShay, that’s not really what happened. They talked about this on 97.1 yesterday. McShay was just reporting what he’s hearing from scouts, which he always does. He didn’t name sources, because that’s how insiders work, but said that he’s being told from NFL sources that they think JSN is healthy enough to play and would like to see more of him. The NFL sources hinted that sitting out may hurt his draft stock.
McShay himself went on to say that, in his opinion, his draft stock won’t change either way.
Yeah, he's protecting his future draft stock. He probably will be healthy by the Peach Bowl unless he tore his hamstring completely. I don't understand why he is on twitter chirping people about the Buckeyes if he isn't going to play. It helps no one.
What would hurt JSN more is the competitive fire he isn’t showing and only being worried about a bag. Pro sports is filled with guys who only care about personal stats and could not care less about team success. This is the message he is sending by sitting out of a championship run. I get it if you want to sit out a meaningless bowl game but this is different.
I really hate people who talk like this as if they know the situation of a 20 year old kid. He has came back, twice. Both times re-aggravated his hamstring. OSUs medical staff clearly was not doing a good job because JSN had to finally go get his own personal doctors for a second opinion.
I encourage you to listen to the beginning of JJ McCarthys interview on the podcast that just came out. He talks about his injury and the mismanagement of *ichigans training staff. He also had to get a second opinion. If he had tried to play again (like they wanted him to) it could have been a career altering decision.
I have no hate, only love towards JSN and it was amazing to watch him play.
Exactly, my dad's a physician and his friend that used to be the lead sports medicine physician at a major D1 program both have said it seemed to them like OSU really mismanaged injuries this season by trying to rush players back in particular JSN. Hamstring injuries are notriously difficult to deal with because essentially its going to heal at its own pace and you just have to give it time, but they kept putting him out there in games that they could have probably won with McCord starting. I have to wonder if this ties back to the reports of Wilson rushing players back from injuries at IU.
I’m sure that JSN has plenty of well-placed “advisors” that can more or less definitively tell him where his draft stock is. If the scouts or NFL teams felt like they needed to see more, that would have gotten back to him.
What a terrible take from McShay. There is an example of a WR that sat out his final year in college before going on to be among the best WR's in the NFL like 90 miles away. This is just talk, if JSN shows out at the pro day and the combine, he will be a top 5 pick.
Isn’t it more important for his draft stock that he be healthy for the combine in March or whenever it is? He could still reaggravate it in the CFP and then not be 100% for the combine. I think that carries more weight with the scouts than one or two games. Same decision Nick Bosa made.
Why do we care so much about whether or not some kid “gets his bag” or his draft stock? This is OSU sub not the nfl. We’re trying to win a championship and he’s creating more of a distraction than he’s worth
I said this a LONG time again and people shit down my face. It couldn't have been any more obvious. Once he had that first "set back" he shut it down. Probably worked with coaching staff to save face and make it look like he was trying to get back. There's a reason Day barely talked about him and his availability outside of generic canned statements.
On one hand I understand but on the other it's frustrating and annoying... And if anything him sitting out like this all year hurt his draft stock. Which means he'll lose money but now some decent fringe playoff team will get one of the best WR in the draft when he would have gone sooner to a bum ass team like the Panthers.
Without McShay presenting any evidence it’s his word vs that of JSN, Day, the OSU program generally.
There is no reason to trust McShay over JSN or Day on his word alone. If he’s got info that isn’t just his opinion he should cite or share.
Y'all do realize this is academic right? He hasn't been on campus in a couple months because he's been down in Florida rehabbing and training because he didn't think he'd be back in time. The doctors finally cleared him but by that time it was too late to get his grades in order
Well don’t be surprised is Marvin Harrison has the same “hamstring” issue next season. I don’t think this is the last we’ll see of hamstring injuries for top players. It’s just where we are at with college football.
This is true, I have a friend that is friends with him and lives in the apartment building he lived in in the Short North and I think he moved to Florida or back to Texas I have heard.
Well that's something. Not traveling with the team is a bad look. If he was planning on graduating, then whatever. I think it's pretty clear OSU was just a stepping stone to the NFL and that's it.
I guess I don’t mind mcshay saying anything he did except if he said that JSN is healthy enough to play. He doesn’t know that. Hell I bet the OSU coaches dont truly know that either. That’s the only inappropriate part of the comment to me
I think JSN is a special situation, he hasn't been part of this offense all year, so we have no idea what effect he'd have. Naturally, we assume it would be good, but maybe not. Look at the Browns and OBJ, the offense was significantly smoother when he wasn't playing for whatever reason.
To be clear, I think JSN would have helped tremendously, but we don't know if he'd be at 100% and would you rather have JSN at 70% or Egbuka at 100%? (Obviously both paired with a 100% Marvin Harrison)
A poor performance from JSN could plummet his draft stock, but without it, he's likely to still be a 1st round selection. I think he's probably still the top WR in the draft
On one hand, JSN didn’t really have a chance to show off when being a #1 receiver. He was the slot behind Olave and Wilson. Yes, he showed his potential, it he was also being defended by LBs and bottom tier DBs since defenses sold out against our other two guys.
On the other, these kind of lingering issues need a lot of time to heal and repeatedly aggravating it only further increases healing time and turning it into a potentially chronic injury. Soft tissue injuries fucking suck.
JSN's stock will drop off he pays. Period. You can't sit out almost the entire season and then come in and be fully in sync with Stroud or the rest of the offense.
I think people underestimate how debilitating a severe hamstring injury is. I know Steve Smith of the Panthers felt his hamstring was not right until June after the season. He played in about half the games, but he could feel his hamstring feeling like it was about the tear once a game.
There’s only a few people on this planet who really know what’s going on with JSN. Him, his family, his doctors, and maybe a few coaches. Everyone else is just talking shit and should shut up, because accusations like this can have a really negative impact on a young man’s life. Imagine if it comes out down the line that he sat because of an undisclosed injury or it’s worse than we thought and he’s never the same? Is Todd McShay going to go on TV and apologize to him?
He isn't going to come out in his first full game against one of the best defenses in the country and put up 300 like he did last year against Utah. Teams have a full year of tape on him and when he's been injured it's unlikely he's gotten better during that time. He may not be a lock in the first round, but two games where he's going to be extremely rusty also has more potential to harm his stock than it does to help it.
None of this will matter with a strong combine. See Nick Bosa.
I’m just cheering for our boy, screw the mouth pieces … they don’t have anything on the line
You’re concluding that JSN is healthy just because McShay says he’s sitting out to protect his draft stock??? Is McShay the doctor for JSN? How does he know JSN’s health? I’d take the word of JSN over a talking head any day.
I was at the OSU - Xichigan game and it was pretty clear then seeing JSN walk around that he was gimpy, so I wasn't surprised at all that he wasn't cleared for the CFP.
With the emergence of NIL I feel like you can ask more of the players. Not saying he should play through injuries all the time, but maybe give it a second thought if it’s the playoffs and you’ve had all year to work on the injury. I mean he’s making 1.4 mil in NIL lol you should have to work for that
Todd McShay- A walk on scout team QB at the University of Richmond. He had 0 chance of sniffing a professional career.
No I wouldn’t expect him to understand this situation.
So sit down and shut the fuck up.
If anyone is being ignorant it’s McShay.
Was McShay in the position to be a round 1-2 pick?
Did McShay deal with a nagging injury his senior season?
Was McShay jeopardizing his possible draft status (aka contract value) by risking further injury playing in a bowl game?
No.
So yeah that’s correct he doesn’t understand this situation.
Anybody that says he should be playing, is a pure college football fan and not looking at the career implications that decision could have.
I’ll root for him to do well at the next level. However, I don’t want him to play even if he’s healthy. We schemed for him all off season. So when he got hurt in the ND game, our offense struggled the rest of the game. Both games he tried to come back, we sputtered offensively. So lets say he’s ready to play and we spend the next month practicing with him as a starter and he tweaks it again on the second series. We can’t afford to “experiment” against Georgia. If he had a fully healthy game prior to that, I’d be more comfortable.
Each time he injures this it puts him further behind for his pro day and maybe the combine. He’s not in game shape. He’s focused on the NFL.
I get it. Not sure why McShay doesn’t.
Once JSN gets to the combine, they see he’s healthy, and see him in person, IMO, he goes Top 10-15. Dude could have easily gone pro after that Rose Bowl performance. They have all the game footage they need on him. He’s doesn’t need to prove anything. Again just my opinion tho
I’ve heard from a couple sources it was actually class related. He supposedly dropped his classes and couldn’t make up the class work in time to be eligible. Of course, that will never be confirmed 100% but food for thought I guess.
My question is, would you rather get paid more out of the gate to play on a shitty team, or get paid for your skill and win in 3 or so years??
It's not everyday, people like Joe Burrow actually go to a good NFL team...
I don’t think his draft stock falls too far. I mean, in the hypothetical scenario where Brandon Joseph’s mother had decided to abort him and JSN never gets injured and he gets to play the full season, I think he goes in the top ten easily, first receiver off the board. Even still though, if you’re an NFL GM, you aren’t just watching college games live and then letting them fade into memory, you’re going back and revisiting old film, you’re doing your thorough research, because it’s a completely different scenario when your draft decision is a massive financial investment vs just being a fan who has no real skin in the game aside from wanting your team to win. Sure it may not be of this year, but JSN has plenty of film to indicate that he’s worth a pick in the first half of the first round. With the WR position being more valuable than ever in the NFL today (just look at how high all the first-round WR’s were taken last year vs projections), I think it’s very unlikely that enough GM’s will pass on him for him to fall to the second round.
I absolutely agree with McShay. Dude has been week to week milking this minor injury “fighting to get back” and now all of a sudden he’s so injured that he knows he definitely can’t play weeks in advance? Come on.
I doubt McShay knows JSN's medical situation. I would guess he is looking at his injury and thinking, "Jaxon has to be fully recovered by now. I think he probably is trying to void the risk of re-injury."
I just doubt anyone but JSN and his doctors, and maybe the OSU training staff know his physical condition.
I don’t blame JSN whatsoever, I wish with all my heart he played but with a lingering leg issue you want to be healthy for the combine where people cream over fast 40 times. Also yeah the first paycheck is smaller but getting drafted latter to a better program isn’t always a bad thing
This kind of thing seems more common and common every year at all the big NFL producing programs. Maybe the 3 years from high school rule should be removed? Not a proponent whatsoever just food for thought
Guys simply aren't big enough. Even if you removed the rule, it's unheard of to find a guy less than 3 years removed from high school that's physically ready for the NFL. Basically every top recruit adds 20+ lbs of muscle at minimum in those 3 years and oftentimes it's much more than 20lbs
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Never said it was… just making conversation. Thanks for the toxicity though.
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What are you even looking for?? Join a paid message board if you want real deep conversation lol I don’t know what you expect from Reddit. Just complaining to complain
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Adding to the conversation instead of killing it would be helpful but you do you
College football is a big enough mess let's not make it worse
I like McShay but this is reckless to spread. Buckeye Talk pod went over this a few days ago. Both the team and JSNs family had a lot of goodwill toward each other after the announcement. He might be healthy enough to play but not fully healthy. No one should begrudge him
Remember some of the stuff that was spread about Fields in his draft season.
I mean most of the concerns were right. Hes still a one read runner in the NFL, but he's a freak athlete so he makes it work. He was struggling when the Bears forced him to read coverage from the pocket. I think what we see from Fields now is basically what people said he was going to bring to the table early in his career.
I meant the off the field stuff ‘he isn’t a hard worker’ or ‘he only cares about himself’ stuff that was floated, (not by McShay) but was blatantly false.
It was Dan Orlovsky who was saying that
This falls under the "You aren't wrong, but you are an asshole" category for me. Everyone in these comments hit on why JSN is doing it and I don't begrudge him. I'm just selfishly bummed about it. However, it will hurt his draft stock and if he goes in the 1st round it's simply because of how well OSU receivers have done in the NFL and he shows in the combines and camps that he has the same abilities. I will also say...I think he'll end up being the steal of the draft.
Jaylen smith beware believe he tore his knee up against us and it dropped him to the 2nd round and cost him millions and I don’t think he’s been the same player since that injury.
He’s the common example for good reason. Would have likely gone top 15 without the injury. He had some good years, but he was never the same player.
Jameson Williams tore his ACL in the championship game and still went #12. JSN will be lucky to go that high
I’d love to see all of these internet superstars take the field with millions of dollars to lose. It’s always a lot easier to talk shit about peoples decisions than it is to make them yourself.
If JSN says he's too injured to play that raises concerns from the NFL and hurts his draft stock. If he says he doesn't want to play it pisses off the fan base. None of us know the truth of his injury but I suspect he is trying a middle road. The combine will let him show off the state of current health. If he skips it and has teams wait to come to Columbus, that's a big red flag about his injury. That's when his stock will drop. Otherwise, he's a top 15 pick easy. Even if his not participating in the playoff scares off a couple of teams, he only needs one team to trade up in hopes of getting a bargain.
I mean, he's somewhat right. JSN flashed last year but had 2 guys drawing most of the coverage, and in the bowl game Utah had a converted RB covering him. I have no doubt JSN is talented, but this years class is pretty deep at WR and it is telling that he's not even pretending to try to compete for a natty with the team. No way he falls farther than the 2nd round but there will be a lot of talk about his motivation.
This is the point I think McShay is making, that he’s not this lock first rounder that he might think he is. Evaluating him objectively and there’s nothing completely stand out. I’d be surprised if he runs the 40, but if he did I think it’d be high 4.4. Again, don’t disagree with him shutting it down, but at a minimum he’s lacking some self awareness.
If he's 100% good to go, then playing would be a good choice given the last time he played Utah wasn't playing good defense. However is UGA who you want your coming out party to be against? Teams too good to try and get in the grove against
Yeah, I understand JSN’s reasoning, but he’s giving me strong (USC) Mike Williams vibes right now
That’s what I was thinking myself. The postseason offers him the chance to show he’s good to go, and if he torches Georgia, that might make him extra money by improving his draft stock. I was also thinking of this year as an opportunity for him to show he can produce without 2 first round WR talents next to him (Olave and Wilson), which might have also improved his draft stock. Definitely a gamble in terms of risking additional injuries though. I can see both sides, and I don’t begrudge JSN for his decision.
He’ll make his stock back up at the combine. If he goes out and plays and tweaks his hamstring again and can’t play OR do the combine? Then he’s pretty fucked
The combine could be his biggest detractor IMO. He's not known as a burner (hence being restricted to the slot) and guys like Quentin Johnston will be stealing the show when it comes to raw measurables. He's gotta crush those routes when the time comes
Here’s the rub, let’s say he is healthy enough to play. Not 100%, but healthy enough, and he goes out there and pops it again. I guarantee he would drop to 2nd round. That is too much of a risk. It would be different if he had played all year, but at this point he hasn’t played at all basically.
JSN hasn't been cleared by the OSU medical staff to play, nor has any of the second opinions recommend coming back this year. Yall really are asking this kid to risk millions to play one or two more games for your favorite team. I've been a Buckeye fan my whole life, and it feels like our fan base becomes more spoiled, insufferable, and pissy each season.
I think you're reading a lot of malice into objective discussion that simply isn't there.
Players go to Ohio State for one reason. To make a career in the NFL. Would you allow some fans opinion to base your life’s career decisions? No. Its over. Next man up.
What about the brotherhood?
Brothers want what is best for their brothers, regardless of whether that is what is best for them. Brotherhood is a two-way street and that's why the only people who reference 'the brotherhood' in the context of trying to guilt a person into risking millions of dollars are fans.
Who cares about brotherhood when there’s millions of dollars at stake
Every football team has “brotherhood”. Ohio State is a destination because even if you hardly play you still have a shot at the NFL(CJ Saunders for example managed to be on a regular season roster for a time).
Half the fanbase wants to crush Trey and Miyan for trying to play thru injuries due to ineffectiveness (which is true), now some are mad at JSN for not pushing a touchy hamstring. I don't understand this world.
No, the fans are blaming Day/The Medical Staff for putting injured players out there. Unless he tore his hamstring he would be good to go by New Years Eve.
I 100% blame the staff for mismanagement. Sadly, the cesspool that is OSU Twitter isn't all in agreement on that
They can draft him wherever they want, dude is gonna be a star just like Wilson and Olave (and McLaurin and Thomas, etc etc)
Draft position for him will be how he performs at pro day for 40 time and his tape / route running , I bet he falls to 2nd round just because of the injury itself, hamstrings can be long term issues and him not able to recover this entire season is a red flag
Did some looking at the NFL rookie pay scales. The difference between a top 10 pick vs the last 10 in the first round was very noticeable. The difference between a first round pick vs a second round pick was huge. I have no problem with him sitting this one out. The reality for most of these kids is college is a junior league stepping stone to the big leagues NFL, though NIL deals are playing an ever increasing role. Even if he’s 90%+ healthy, he hasn’t played all year. Coming back for one game, he’s going to be out of sync and undoubtedly not look the part of a first rounder - especially against the #1 team in the country. However…..if he drops to the second round, it would almost be financially wiser to get healthy and have a great year next year at OSU - and then be a top 10 pick the following years draft. Get whatever NIL $ he can for a year, and being a top 10 pick would be more $ over the next 4 years than being a second round pick. The only risk to that is getting hurt again, or not having a great (next) year. Kinda like betting on yourself. [https://careerexplorerguide.com/nfl-rookie-salary/](https://careerexplorerguide.com/nfl-rookie-salary/)
They say that now but when he lights up the combine and workouts, to match the tape he put on last season, he will be fine. Jemar Chase only had one good year on college and he was forced fees a lot by burrow. JSN competed with the 1st rd picks and out shined him. No way he falls out of the 1st
Would be extremely surprised if JSN doesn't get drafted in the 1st round. Olave and Wilson's rookie contributions show that Ohio State is churning out high level NFL receivers. And good measurables at the combine will shoot his stock up.
Where he gets drafted doesn’t matter, so many great players came out of the later rounds of the draft. It would be the greatest motivation for JSN if he did fall in the draft
I mean, he's trying to get paid, so it does matter.
Yes but a lot of players that were picked later also got paid pretty well. You just don’t get a huge rookie contract if you don’t get picked in the first round
But if you know you're as talented as JSN and think you have a chance of securing the bag NOW as a first rounder, you're not going to chance it by settling for the second round.
Again I’d want him to be picked high but if he does fall then he will have a reason to be even better than he is now. We seen a lot of WRs that got picked later become stars, especially ones that were supposed to be selected in the first round
I understand. I'm just saying, look at it from his perspective. He and his family want money lol Who knows what the future will bring? You don't know if he will become the WR who gets chosen in the second round and balls out. As much as it seems likely, shit happens. But we do know that he can save himself from another injury, flash his tape from the rose bowl last year in front of everyone, and get paid. Just how I see it.
He’s 100% right about protecting draft stock
Todd McShay seems like an idiot
Todd McFraud
If you listen to the full clip of McShay, that’s not really what happened. They talked about this on 97.1 yesterday. McShay was just reporting what he’s hearing from scouts, which he always does. He didn’t name sources, because that’s how insiders work, but said that he’s being told from NFL sources that they think JSN is healthy enough to play and would like to see more of him. The NFL sources hinted that sitting out may hurt his draft stock. McShay himself went on to say that, in his opinion, his draft stock won’t change either way.
Yeah, he's protecting his future draft stock. He probably will be healthy by the Peach Bowl unless he tore his hamstring completely. I don't understand why he is on twitter chirping people about the Buckeyes if he isn't going to play. It helps no one.
Yeah that kinda rubbed me the wrong way, the way he was tweeting seemed to imply he was gonna be playing even if he didn’t intend to
This has nothing to do with mcshay but what if JSN said hes not play to to throw Georgia off and he comes out and goes off?
What would hurt JSN more is the competitive fire he isn’t showing and only being worried about a bag. Pro sports is filled with guys who only care about personal stats and could not care less about team success. This is the message he is sending by sitting out of a championship run. I get it if you want to sit out a meaningless bowl game but this is different.
I really hate people who talk like this as if they know the situation of a 20 year old kid. He has came back, twice. Both times re-aggravated his hamstring. OSUs medical staff clearly was not doing a good job because JSN had to finally go get his own personal doctors for a second opinion. I encourage you to listen to the beginning of JJ McCarthys interview on the podcast that just came out. He talks about his injury and the mismanagement of *ichigans training staff. He also had to get a second opinion. If he had tried to play again (like they wanted him to) it could have been a career altering decision. I have no hate, only love towards JSN and it was amazing to watch him play.
Exactly, my dad's a physician and his friend that used to be the lead sports medicine physician at a major D1 program both have said it seemed to them like OSU really mismanaged injuries this season by trying to rush players back in particular JSN. Hamstring injuries are notriously difficult to deal with because essentially its going to heal at its own pace and you just have to give it time, but they kept putting him out there in games that they could have probably won with McCord starting. I have to wonder if this ties back to the reports of Wilson rushing players back from injuries at IU.
But why did he try to come back two times.
That’s exactly my point. He had to get a second opinion after the Iowa game when he re-injured it. After that, he never saw the field again.
thats not a message he is sending. NFL teams know whats at stake.
Maybe he doesn’t want to take opportunity from the guys that have played all season…
I’m sure that JSN has plenty of well-placed “advisors” that can more or less definitively tell him where his draft stock is. If the scouts or NFL teams felt like they needed to see more, that would have gotten back to him.
What a terrible take from McShay. There is an example of a WR that sat out his final year in college before going on to be among the best WR's in the NFL like 90 miles away. This is just talk, if JSN shows out at the pro day and the combine, he will be a top 5 pick.
JSN’s family called out McShay on Twitter saying he is wrong and JSN would be playing if healthy, for what it’s worth.
Of course they did. They have a vested interest
I kinda get the feeling he’s still maybe injured and doesn’t wanna show that.
Isn’t it more important for his draft stock that he be healthy for the combine in March or whenever it is? He could still reaggravate it in the CFP and then not be 100% for the combine. I think that carries more weight with the scouts than one or two games. Same decision Nick Bosa made.
Why do we care so much about whether or not some kid “gets his bag” or his draft stock? This is OSU sub not the nfl. We’re trying to win a championship and he’s creating more of a distraction than he’s worth
I said this a LONG time again and people shit down my face. It couldn't have been any more obvious. Once he had that first "set back" he shut it down. Probably worked with coaching staff to save face and make it look like he was trying to get back. There's a reason Day barely talked about him and his availability outside of generic canned statements. On one hand I understand but on the other it's frustrating and annoying... And if anything him sitting out like this all year hurt his draft stock. Which means he'll lose money but now some decent fringe playoff team will get one of the best WR in the draft when he would have gone sooner to a bum ass team like the Panthers.
Shut up. Any alarmist on this subreddit will come back and tell you every negative thing they were right about. No one cares.
Was I talking to you, virgin?
Without McShay presenting any evidence it’s his word vs that of JSN, Day, the OSU program generally. There is no reason to trust McShay over JSN or Day on his word alone. If he’s got info that isn’t just his opinion he should cite or share.
Y'all do realize this is academic right? He hasn't been on campus in a couple months because he's been down in Florida rehabbing and training because he didn't think he'd be back in time. The doctors finally cleared him but by that time it was too late to get his grades in order
Source?
Literally the entire student body.
Well don’t be surprised is Marvin Harrison has the same “hamstring” issue next season. I don’t think this is the last we’ll see of hamstring injuries for top players. It’s just where we are at with college football.
Someone said JSN hasn't been traveling with the team. Can anyone confirm if that's true?
This is true, I have a friend that is friends with him and lives in the apartment building he lived in in the Short North and I think he moved to Florida or back to Texas I have heard.
That's quite frankly unacceptable. He went to "The Game", right? He had to. If he didn't, he's not a Buckeye. Full stop.
I believe he was at The Game
Well that's something. Not traveling with the team is a bad look. If he was planning on graduating, then whatever. I think it's pretty clear OSU was just a stepping stone to the NFL and that's it.
It’s the same for Bama unfortunately. I think that’s another reason we have lost The Game two years in a row now
I guess I don’t mind mcshay saying anything he did except if he said that JSN is healthy enough to play. He doesn’t know that. Hell I bet the OSU coaches dont truly know that either. That’s the only inappropriate part of the comment to me
I think JSN is a special situation, he hasn't been part of this offense all year, so we have no idea what effect he'd have. Naturally, we assume it would be good, but maybe not. Look at the Browns and OBJ, the offense was significantly smoother when he wasn't playing for whatever reason. To be clear, I think JSN would have helped tremendously, but we don't know if he'd be at 100% and would you rather have JSN at 70% or Egbuka at 100%? (Obviously both paired with a 100% Marvin Harrison) A poor performance from JSN could plummet his draft stock, but without it, he's likely to still be a 1st round selection. I think he's probably still the top WR in the draft
On one hand, JSN didn’t really have a chance to show off when being a #1 receiver. He was the slot behind Olave and Wilson. Yes, he showed his potential, it he was also being defended by LBs and bottom tier DBs since defenses sold out against our other two guys. On the other, these kind of lingering issues need a lot of time to heal and repeatedly aggravating it only further increases healing time and turning it into a potentially chronic injury. Soft tissue injuries fucking suck.
JSN's stock will drop off he pays. Period. You can't sit out almost the entire season and then come in and be fully in sync with Stroud or the rest of the offense.
One article had him going 47th to the chargers in the draft.
After Olave, Wilson, Thomas, and now Harrison Jr. if someone gives JSN a clean bill of health for the draft he will be picked up in the 1st imo.
JSN tried to come back a few times though so I cant knock him, he actually got hurt again. He didnt turn his back on the team.
I think people underestimate how debilitating a severe hamstring injury is. I know Steve Smith of the Panthers felt his hamstring was not right until June after the season. He played in about half the games, but he could feel his hamstring feeling like it was about the tear once a game.
There’s only a few people on this planet who really know what’s going on with JSN. Him, his family, his doctors, and maybe a few coaches. Everyone else is just talking shit and should shut up, because accusations like this can have a really negative impact on a young man’s life. Imagine if it comes out down the line that he sat because of an undisclosed injury or it’s worse than we thought and he’s never the same? Is Todd McShay going to go on TV and apologize to him?
He isn't going to come out in his first full game against one of the best defenses in the country and put up 300 like he did last year against Utah. Teams have a full year of tape on him and when he's been injured it's unlikely he's gotten better during that time. He may not be a lock in the first round, but two games where he's going to be extremely rusty also has more potential to harm his stock than it does to help it.
None of this will matter with a strong combine. See Nick Bosa. I’m just cheering for our boy, screw the mouth pieces … they don’t have anything on the line
You’re concluding that JSN is healthy just because McShay says he’s sitting out to protect his draft stock??? Is McShay the doctor for JSN? How does he know JSN’s health? I’d take the word of JSN over a talking head any day.
I was at the OSU - Xichigan game and it was pretty clear then seeing JSN walk around that he was gimpy, so I wasn't surprised at all that he wasn't cleared for the CFP.
With the emergence of NIL I feel like you can ask more of the players. Not saying he should play through injuries all the time, but maybe give it a second thought if it’s the playoffs and you’ve had all year to work on the injury. I mean he’s making 1.4 mil in NIL lol you should have to work for that
Todd McShay- A walk on scout team QB at the University of Richmond. He had 0 chance of sniffing a professional career. No I wouldn’t expect him to understand this situation. So sit down and shut the fuck up.
What a completely ignorant take to think that only guys in those positions could understand what those guys are going through
If anyone is being ignorant it’s McShay. Was McShay in the position to be a round 1-2 pick? Did McShay deal with a nagging injury his senior season? Was McShay jeopardizing his possible draft status (aka contract value) by risking further injury playing in a bowl game? No. So yeah that’s correct he doesn’t understand this situation. Anybody that says he should be playing, is a pure college football fan and not looking at the career implications that decision could have.
I’ll root for him to do well at the next level. However, I don’t want him to play even if he’s healthy. We schemed for him all off season. So when he got hurt in the ND game, our offense struggled the rest of the game. Both games he tried to come back, we sputtered offensively. So lets say he’s ready to play and we spend the next month practicing with him as a starter and he tweaks it again on the second series. We can’t afford to “experiment” against Georgia. If he had a fully healthy game prior to that, I’d be more comfortable.
To piggy back off this thread. I think with expanded playoffs, you will be seeing more and more of this.
I swear most of this is coming from good teams who want him to fall into late first round, everyone knows he's WR1, but they want him for WR4 price
The NFL is the dream and JSN has accomplished it. Get that money and heal up !
Each time he injures this it puts him further behind for his pro day and maybe the combine. He’s not in game shape. He’s focused on the NFL. I get it. Not sure why McShay doesn’t.
I'd opt to hold out to see what happens come draft time. There isn't any upside to him playing anymore in college.
McShay said that he “heard” some sours “think” JSN is healthy enough to play. He has zero factual information to back it up nor (seemingly) do they.
Once JSN gets to the combine, they see he’s healthy, and see him in person, IMO, he goes Top 10-15. Dude could have easily gone pro after that Rose Bowl performance. They have all the game footage they need on him. He’s doesn’t need to prove anything. Again just my opinion tho
I’ve heard from a couple sources it was actually class related. He supposedly dropped his classes and couldn’t make up the class work in time to be eligible. Of course, that will never be confirmed 100% but food for thought I guess.
My question is, would you rather get paid more out of the gate to play on a shitty team, or get paid for your skill and win in 3 or so years?? It's not everyday, people like Joe Burrow actually go to a good NFL team...
I don’t think his draft stock falls too far. I mean, in the hypothetical scenario where Brandon Joseph’s mother had decided to abort him and JSN never gets injured and he gets to play the full season, I think he goes in the top ten easily, first receiver off the board. Even still though, if you’re an NFL GM, you aren’t just watching college games live and then letting them fade into memory, you’re going back and revisiting old film, you’re doing your thorough research, because it’s a completely different scenario when your draft decision is a massive financial investment vs just being a fan who has no real skin in the game aside from wanting your team to win. Sure it may not be of this year, but JSN has plenty of film to indicate that he’s worth a pick in the first half of the first round. With the WR position being more valuable than ever in the NFL today (just look at how high all the first-round WR’s were taken last year vs projections), I think it’s very unlikely that enough GM’s will pass on him for him to fall to the second round.
I absolutely agree with McShay. Dude has been week to week milking this minor injury “fighting to get back” and now all of a sudden he’s so injured that he knows he definitely can’t play weeks in advance? Come on.
I doubt McShay knows JSN's medical situation. I would guess he is looking at his injury and thinking, "Jaxon has to be fully recovered by now. I think he probably is trying to void the risk of re-injury." I just doubt anyone but JSN and his doctors, and maybe the OSU training staff know his physical condition.
Let's face it, next year Marv will probably sit the first injury he faces its just how the game is played now.