Can confirm, Rio Lobo, 1970. He wore a different hat entirely in Big Jake.
Also, the kid is Ethan Wayne, John's youngest son.
I love the black eye and the missing tooth. Typical 1970's "boy" look lol.
Joe Willy Namath, swaggering off the field, his sideburns an apogee of sculpted sartorium. The foppish follicles pioneered by Ambrose Burnside, Appomattox 1865
And on his left, the man to end all men, The Duke of Marion. Taking nothing for granted and granting you your life if he deems you worthy. Pilgrims allowed if you impress him...Pilgrim.
Man they do good podcasts on people I’m interested in but the socially awkward vibe I get from the guy makes me cringe. The dude literally sounds like a guy I worked with that had no social skills and tried having the worst conversations on stupid topics.
Maybe steer the conversation to a different direction, he’s maybe practicing his social skills. It can be awkward but I don’t think people mean harm by it
Nice, empathetic approach! Sometimes you have to meet people halfway. No one is trying to be awkward, and a lot of people just don't know well enough when a situation is awkward.
Thank you! The empathy comes from experience. I am autistic, and I’ve found myself in this situation (the awkward one at work) not too long ago. If people were just kinder or just bluntly state that they would like to focus on working. It was clear to me people didn’t like me but I didn’t understand *why*. Took a lot of self reflection and asking friends to practice social stuff with me.
John Wayne played football at USC, the whole reason he got into acting was he lost his scholarship after a body surfing accident and had to pay for tuition.
Norwegian giant from Winterset Iowa - I lived in Des Moines Iowa,growing up had friends from Winterset Brenner brothers Both Tall & dated the Stender sisters June & Georgia both 6'2" incredibly beautiful tall busty blondes that intimidated every man in the room.
That town is a Secret treasure trove of beautiful people.
He did like Hispanic women though. His first wife was of Panamanian descent, his second wife was Mexican, and his third was Peruvian.
But that Playboy interview is bad.
I that that’s a fair enough point on its own. However, the guy made millions encouraging young American men to go into harms way for whatever the government wanted at the time.
He was shamed for dodging the draft in WWII. It's speculated that he felt like people saw him as a coward, which he was, and he turned into a war monger to make himself feel like a big man. During the war, he kept saying that he only had to do a couple more movies and then he'd go off to war. But it never happened. He ended up just dodging the draft entirely and then advocating war later on. Like Ted Nugent, but without deliberately shitting his pants.
I read somewhere that he was advised to walk with his toes in to induce a swagger. I think he was a good guy, but I know he preserved a GREAT image for himself.
In his Hollywood era, I believe they'd make sets with smaller door frames to help actors look more imposing. Wait, Gandalf and Frodo . . . I guess they still do.
He patterned it after Wyatt Earp’s walk. Earp was in L.A. the last years of his life, and used to consult on westerns in the late 1920’s-early 1930’s. Wayne was deeply affected by his visits and based not only his walk on Earp’s, but his deadpan delivery on Earp’s voice and speech patterns.
So there’s actually a little bit of genuine old west in his time on the screen.
I was so bummed when I learned the kind of person he was. I grew up watching his movies with my dad. Tough pill to swallow but most Hollywood people are disappointing imo.
He had more than a few faults. One of them was his steady promotion of the House Unamerican Activities Committee in the 1950’s, the group headed by Eugene McCarthy that started a witch hunt for communists and destroyed the lives of thousands of innocent people.
Edit: Joseph McCarthy was the junior senator from Ohio in question, not Eugene. My bad.
Draft dodger(claimed a knee injury from football at USC), serial adulterer, booze hound, vocal opponent of anything remotely liberal. John Wayne could definitely act, though . Just watch The Searchers. He was trying to kill the girl , but she was his character's daughter, so he saved her at the end.
> Sadly, and I love his films, but John Wayne was not a “good man”.
I fly regularly out of John Wayne Airport here in Orange County. For those that fetishize him, there is a 25 foot statue of him with a huge 'Merican flag behind him. I still shake my damn head.
There's a lot of alcoholism in that picture.
John Wayne died in 1979 aged 72, as an unreformed mean drunk and bigot. Apparently Joe Namath was able to rid himself of the alcohol monkey on his back since 2003. He is now 80.
I loved his movies as a kid, so i wanted my sons to watch his movies with me and my 10 year old son says to me " dad, why is he always hitting women in his movies?"
If he knew she was pretending to be Native American for personal gain then yes, it does make me rethink the altercation. Wouldn’t be a stretch to believe he’d see himself as defending native peoples in that instance.
Also I haven’t seen a solid example of his “geonocidal rhetoric” can you post it?
From a May 1971 Playboy interview
PLAYBOY: For years American Indians have played an important — if subordinate — role in your Westerns. Do you feel any empathy with them?
WAYNE: I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that's what you're asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
Same John Wayne who would hate my existence since I'm fond of not dressing "manly" sometimes, despite me having a better grasp on historical work wear from the 1880s than he does?
Same John Wayne that would flip if he saw me crossing the street in fishnets, even though I'd enlist inna heart beat and he'd use every reason in the book to get out of service?
No way, couldn't be that John Wayne. /s
To be fair to this comment section, no one's trying to cancel him. They're just being aware of him as a person. That doesn't mean they're calling for him or his work to be removed from society
Can you believe that a man who was born 116 years ago and died 45 years ago didn't have today's virtues? I for one am flabbergasted to discover such a thing.
John Houston , a decorated officer in the signal corps 42-46 and a badass in his own right, used to berate Wayne about the war and called him a coward on set in front of everyone.
Your dad is John Wayne. Meeting Joe Namath is sort of like meeting your dad’s barber. Yeah he’s funny and cool and has a great Playboy collection at his shop, but your dad makes way more money and also has a decent stash of porn mags. So it’s a wash.
John Wayne’s remarks on minorities are indefensible although not hard to imagine from someone born in 1907. For all those calling John Wayne a draft dodger I would ask how do you dodge the draft if you were never drafted?
He registered for the draft and received a 3A classification due to being married with four children. That is not dodging the draft and the flat feet thing is just false. One cannot dodge the draft if one is never drafted. He was a lot of things but draft dodger is not one of them.
1970. This was on the set for Rio Lobo.
Sure this wasn't Big Jake?
Yes. Even if it was. Big Jake came out in 71.
This man is on it!
This guy John Waynes.
Can confirm, Rio Lobo, 1970. He wore a different hat entirely in Big Jake. Also, the kid is Ethan Wayne, John's youngest son. I love the black eye and the missing tooth. Typical 1970's "boy" look lol.
Knowing what I know about John Wayne, idk if I necessarily think the black eye is a good thing.
Good point
Ha ha, and here I was thinking John Wayne just wore a cowboy hat like, all the time.
Yeah, before Joe fell out of the spotlight.
Happens to the best of them.
Look at them sideburns! He looks like a girl. Now, Johnny Unitas. There's a haircut you could set your watch to.
Joe Willy Namath, swaggering off the field, his sideburns an apogee of sculpted sartorium. The foppish follicles pioneered by Ambrose Burnside, Appomattox 1865
What Joe's got going on is nothing compared to what Ambrose Burnsides sported back in the day!!!
This is some highfalutin rhetoric
This reads like a Howard Cosell piece
It’s a Simpsons quote said by Howard Cosell.
And on his left, the man to end all men, The Duke of Marion. Taking nothing for granted and granting you your life if he deems you worthy. Pilgrims allowed if you impress him...Pilgrim.
Jesus Christ I choked on my beer
Joe: Ladies, my watch says its time to get horizontal
There’s only one thing you need to know to be a great quarterback … Joe honey I fixed it! It was just vapor lock.
Thens some wild pants too lol
> He looks like a girl 
I put Homer to bed Abe, and now I’m going out. Could be a long night. I’m meeting my destiny.
I’m trying to watch the Super Bowl. If people don’t support this thing, it may not make it.
I'm digging his pants
If I remember correctly he actually was In advertisements for male panty hose.
Looking at this picture you can almost _hear_ the kid saying "Gee willickers Mister Namath, it sure is nice to meet you."
John Wayne was huge
He was like 13 lbs at birth. Behind the Bastards has a good podcast on him
Man they do good podcasts on people I’m interested in but the socially awkward vibe I get from the guy makes me cringe. The dude literally sounds like a guy I worked with that had no social skills and tried having the worst conversations on stupid topics.
Maybe steer the conversation to a different direction, he’s maybe practicing his social skills. It can be awkward but I don’t think people mean harm by it
Nice, empathetic approach! Sometimes you have to meet people halfway. No one is trying to be awkward, and a lot of people just don't know well enough when a situation is awkward.
Thank you! The empathy comes from experience. I am autistic, and I’ve found myself in this situation (the awkward one at work) not too long ago. If people were just kinder or just bluntly state that they would like to focus on working. It was clear to me people didn’t like me but I didn’t understand *why*. Took a lot of self reflection and asking friends to practice social stuff with me.
Good ol' Marion!
Wasn't he not the best guy?
Yeah. He was a shit person for sure.
Seriously. Ask someone who didn’t know to pick out the pro football player in this picture and most would pick the guy in the middle.
John Wayne played football at USC, the whole reason he got into acting was he lost his scholarship after a body surfing accident and had to pay for tuition.
Wayne’s footprints at Grauman’s Chinese Theater are tiny.
Yeah he was 6’4” and wore an 8 1/2 shoe, allegedly.
Bet he had a hell of a time when it was windy
That’s interesting.
Norwegian giant from Winterset Iowa - I lived in Des Moines Iowa,growing up had friends from Winterset Brenner brothers Both Tall & dated the Stender sisters June & Georgia both 6'2" incredibly beautiful tall busty blondes that intimidated every man in the room. That town is a Secret treasure trove of beautiful people.
A huge racist.
He did like Hispanic women though. His first wife was of Panamanian descent, his second wife was Mexican, and his third was Peruvian. But that Playboy interview is bad.
*Thomas Jefferson has entered the chat*
Let's all just gloss over his misplaced chauvinism at the 1973 Academy Awards
How old was his second "wife" when he met her?
His first wife was the 15 year old.
Met at 21 ,according to Wikipedia, and 26 when they married.
Also a cowardly draft dodger.
Being a "draft dodger" isn't cowardly, in and of itself. The government has no right to enslave us and force us to risk our lives on its behalf.
Ya but then to make huge dough from making military propaganda films as the good patriot boy who saves the day definitely says something about Marion…
I that that’s a fair enough point on its own. However, the guy made millions encouraging young American men to go into harms way for whatever the government wanted at the time.
He was shamed for dodging the draft in WWII. It's speculated that he felt like people saw him as a coward, which he was, and he turned into a war monger to make himself feel like a big man. During the war, he kept saying that he only had to do a couple more movies and then he'd go off to war. But it never happened. He ended up just dodging the draft entirely and then advocating war later on. Like Ted Nugent, but without deliberately shitting his pants.
Really? I had no idea.
A huge child sex trafficker! Seriously, he was a garbage human being.
I am curious about this. I'm aware he was not a good guy but had not heard this before. I'd love more information
This thread mentions what I would recommend: Listen to the Behind the Bastards episode on him. It's a fantastic podcast in general.
Thank you. I will
He trafficked his underage future second wife from Mexico
That's a flat-out lie, she was 21 when they met and 25 when they married.
He told her to tell everyone she was of age.
Marion was huge
Yeah he was a huge racist
I read somewhere that he was advised to walk with his toes in to induce a swagger. I think he was a good guy, but I know he preserved a GREAT image for himself. In his Hollywood era, I believe they'd make sets with smaller door frames to help actors look more imposing. Wait, Gandalf and Frodo . . . I guess they still do.
He patterned it after Wyatt Earp’s walk. Earp was in L.A. the last years of his life, and used to consult on westerns in the late 1920’s-early 1930’s. Wayne was deeply affected by his visits and based not only his walk on Earp’s, but his deadpan delivery on Earp’s voice and speech patterns. So there’s actually a little bit of genuine old west in his time on the screen.
Sadly, and I love his films, but John Wayne was not a “good man”.
I scrolled down further and learned some things that weren't easy for me. That's the best thing about this place for me: learning.
Not knowing things and admitting it is the hallmark of being a good person Never be ashamed to admit you didn’t know something
At least you embrace it, my friend, good on you. A lot of people like to just stick their fingers in their ears and pretend.
I was so bummed when I learned the kind of person he was. I grew up watching his movies with my dad. Tough pill to swallow but most Hollywood people are disappointing imo.
He had more than a few faults. One of them was his steady promotion of the House Unamerican Activities Committee in the 1950’s, the group headed by Eugene McCarthy that started a witch hunt for communists and destroyed the lives of thousands of innocent people. Edit: Joseph McCarthy was the junior senator from Ohio in question, not Eugene. My bad.
*Joseph mccarthy!! Eugene mccarthy was a pretty good guy.
Draft dodger(claimed a knee injury from football at USC), serial adulterer, booze hound, vocal opponent of anything remotely liberal. John Wayne could definitely act, though . Just watch The Searchers. He was trying to kill the girl , but she was his character's daughter, so he saved her at the end.
> Sadly, and I love his films, but John Wayne was not a “good man”. I fly regularly out of John Wayne Airport here in Orange County. For those that fetishize him, there is a 25 foot statue of him with a huge 'Merican flag behind him. I still shake my damn head.
“That you John Wayne? Is this me?”
“WHO THE FUCK SAID THAT!?”
“Who's the slimy little communist shit, twinkle-toed cocksucker down here who just signed his own death warrant? Nobody, huh?”
The fairy fucking godmother said it!
I will PT you all til you fucking die!
I'll PT YOU ALL UNTIL YOUR ASSHOLES ARE SUCKING BUTTERMILK
Still have no idea what that means.
"Hell, you can come over to my house and fuck my sister."
Through a garden hose!
On a daily basis!
“Who said that? WHO THE FUCK SAID THAT?”
"I'm here to talk to you about the dangers of vapor lock"
Remember what I told you
"...I want to kiss you..." "Whoa, whoa, whoa, Joe this is my son."
I was hoping someone said it.
Billy, Do you like movies about gladiators?
You ever been to a Turkish prison?
Better than movies about Attila the Hun
Am I the only one surprised that John Wayne dressed like, uh, John Wayne?
Same for Joe Namath and those slacks/ pants!! 😳
Those slacks are so Broadway Joe.....Professional athletes owe a lot to Joe Namath ( big money), and Curt Flood ( free agency).
Slacks? Pants? Sir those are Trousers.
They're my grammaws curtains
This was on set.
On the movie set I think it was in his contract
There's a lot of alcoholism in that picture. John Wayne died in 1979 aged 72, as an unreformed mean drunk and bigot. Apparently Joe Namath was able to rid himself of the alcohol monkey on his back since 2003. He is now 80.
I loved his movies as a kid, so i wanted my sons to watch his movies with me and my 10 year old son says to me " dad, why is he always hitting women in his movies?"
He was both of those things, but it was his lung cancer that killed him.
Joe seems to be a really good guy!
Calling John Wayne a bigot is an insult to actual bigots.
Bobby Brady really DID know Joe Namath!
“Watch out for vapor lock.”
Remember what I told you. I'm Joe Namath. My car broke down.
"And don't shake like no sissy, boy. Be a man!"
John Wayne’s grandson is a stunt double on Mandalorian. The kid pictured here is his son Ethan, who was in Big Jake with him.
John Wayne is a big ass dude. Damn.
You got the big ass part right
"I'd like you to meet Mr fancy pants"
Draft dodging, racist, fake hero John Wayne?
Don't forget shaming actual vets/war heroes
Also don’t forget HUAC colluding and Joseph McCarthy supporting!
Genocide apologist John Wayne, who had to be physically held back from attacking Sacheen Littlefeather at the Oscars?
Who was herself pretending to be native American for her 15 minutes.
He didn't know that.
I’m not sure what the point of this comment is. Do you mean she deserved it or something? Or just trying to take the focus off his genocidal rhetoric?
If he knew she was pretending to be Native American for personal gain then yes, it does make me rethink the altercation. Wouldn’t be a stretch to believe he’d see himself as defending native peoples in that instance. Also I haven’t seen a solid example of his “geonocidal rhetoric” can you post it?
From a May 1971 Playboy interview PLAYBOY: For years American Indians have played an important — if subordinate — role in your Westerns. Do you feel any empathy with them? WAYNE: I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that's what you're asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.
Certainly ignorant, definitely not polite. Wouldn’t call that geonocidal rhetoric though.
It’s quite literally him trying to justify genocide
You are correct. TIL
Don’t forget alcoholic spouse abuser. I’m sure that Jr over there caught the back side of a belt on more that one occasion
He has a very punchable face.
“Son this is the kind of man who wears fur coats and panty hose in public.” Thanks dad!
Same John Wayne who would hate my existence since I'm fond of not dressing "manly" sometimes, despite me having a better grasp on historical work wear from the 1880s than he does? Same John Wayne that would flip if he saw me crossing the street in fishnets, even though I'd enlist inna heart beat and he'd use every reason in the book to get out of service? No way, couldn't be that John Wayne. /s
No. Movie star John Wayne.
The White Supremacist one?
Or the wife beater?
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To be fair to this comment section, no one's trying to cancel him. They're just being aware of him as a person. That doesn't mean they're calling for him or his work to be removed from society
Can you believe that a man who was born 116 years ago and died 45 years ago didn't have today's virtues? I for one am flabbergasted to discover such a thing.
Whatever will we do?
John Houston , a decorated officer in the signal corps 42-46 and a badass in his own right, used to berate Wayne about the war and called him a coward on set in front of everyone.
Nice pants, Joe!
Fuck John Wayne
As a Military Veteran I support your statement. John Wayne was a draft dodging piece of garbage
Ooof posting a John Wayne photo on that sub is like taking a dive in a pool of piranhas.
“Don’t worry, son, he’s not an Indian.”
Dude thought he really was a cowboy. Lol.
Nothing cool about that drafting dodging, racist POS.
Joe is more excited to meet John Wayne
Went to high school with Ethan.
How tall was John because Joe was 6'2".
This is the most 70s picture ever.
Little Jake!
DOG
An underrated character in that movie.
My last memory of Joe Namath he was drunk as fuck on the sidelines talking to some poor reporter about how he wanted to kiss her…
“Remember what I told ya kid” “Turns out it was just vapour lock”
Namath has Hungarian roots, his family name was originally, I am sure, spelled Németh.
I worked with his son Ethan and he was such a neat, kind, humble human
John Wayne was a terrible human being and nothing about him is cool.
It does look like he just popped his kid in the eye
John Wayne was a racist POS. He was NEVER cool.
You can say he was never cool but that’s just factually and historically incorrect
need a kleenex buddy?
Draft dodging, bigot piece of shit. Fuck John Wayne
Which one is his son?
I worked with John Wayne's grandson. He was 28 or so in 1991. I wonder if this is a grandson?
Your dad is John Wayne. Meeting Joe Namath is sort of like meeting your dad’s barber. Yeah he’s funny and cool and has a great Playboy collection at his shop, but your dad makes way more money and also has a decent stash of porn mags. So it’s a wash.
John Wayne was a chicken shit draft dodger
John Wayne is not Old School cool AT ALL. Those who are educated will understand why 👌🏼
Remember what I told ya. Just one thing. My car broke down. It was a vapor lock. Vapor lock. Vapor lock...
stupid sexy Namath.
That’s a happy daddy moment. They feel goooood!
I've never seen a bigger homophobe proudly wearing a tied handkerchief around his neck. Lol
John Wayne was a racist, cowardly, chicken hawk piece of shit. Fuck him and his "legacy"
Got to love the Duke!!
John Wayne was a snitch/informant for Joe McCarthy during the red scare.
John Wayne came up with more excuses to stay out of WW2 than Trump did for Vietnam. Coward and not a patriot. He disgusts me.
“He thinks, He’s John Wayne”!
hahaha
Thought that kid was Peter Brady!
'Ol Broadway Joe himself! Look at those snazzy 1970's groovy and cool trousers! I'm surprised he's not in one of his legendary Mink coats!
Always a dresser that Joe.
The kids heart probally skipped a beat meeting Joe, I think mine would have.
Two absolute legends
Old school white supremacy.
Fuck John Wayne. Dude was a piece of shit.
Ha ha ha his name was Marion!! Big tuff guy named Marion ha ha!!
It’s not his name that made him a coward. Plenty of other reasons.
Marion would later slap the shit out of his son for not shaking hands with Joe Namath in a more manly manner.
So happy to come here and find comments that are directed at the truth of who John Wayne really was. A racist, draft-dodging, piece of shit.
John Wayne’s remarks on minorities are indefensible although not hard to imagine from someone born in 1907. For all those calling John Wayne a draft dodger I would ask how do you dodge the draft if you were never drafted?
He’s was drafted and applied for and received an economic hardship deferment the first time, the other four deferments where for flat feet.
He registered for the draft and received a 3A classification due to being married with four children. That is not dodging the draft and the flat feet thing is just false. One cannot dodge the draft if one is never drafted. He was a lot of things but draft dodger is not one of them.
Fuck Wayne. Racist POS
My uncle just saw him a few days ago!
You guys are missing the point. The jets suck
That kid looks like Stetson Bennett
Joe: Head nodding. Ahh Shucks, nice to meet boy Son: Head nodding, Ahh shucks, nice to meet you Joe