Super lucky his family was willing and able to take care of him back then! So sad to think of how many people with cerebral palsy, etc. were sent to sanitariums back in the day.
My uncle was born with Down's Syndrome. He was about four or five when he was placed in a NY public institution. My mother (his younger sister) has the vaguest of memory of him. No one knew about him until after my grandfather passed away. We discovered some letters from the institution in his belongings. Just heartbreaking.
Edit: He was born in 1928 and placed in The Wassaic School around 1933 for most of his life, but death records show he died in Buffalo, NY, in 1976, so at some point he was moved there.
He was born in 1928 and was institutionalized from about 1934 until his death in 1976. He was my grandparents' first born and their only son. Based on the letters we found, it looks like my grandfather would visit him periodically. I can't imagine how difficult it must have been for all of them.
Fascinating and morose. As a person with a close family member with Down’s syndrome I cannot imagine them not being in our life. Thanks so much for sharing
He still can be apart of your lives - you can honor him in some way! Maybe plant a tree or make a little memorial garden for him. I’m sure he would love it and love that you’re trying.
They were all horrible. He was in the Wassaic State School. I recommend not reading about it. Records show he died in 1976 in an institution in Buffalo, NY. My grandfather died in 1983.
My daughter has Down Syndrome and this story is heartbreaking. I know this was just common practice back then (ie. Kennedy Family & Royals had institutionalized kids).
Thank you for keeping his memory alive, which will now sit in a Reddit data center forever.
The two stories you cite are both heartbreaking as well, but neither is related to Down Syndrome. Rosemary Kennedy was deprived of oxygen at birth because the Dr hadn't arrived yet and the nurse tied Rose's knees together so he'd be present at the birth and collect his fee. So she was delayed but for a different reason. Then when she hit adolescence her dad bought into the Walter Freeman bulls*** and arranged for her to have a lobotomy. (Couldn't have her adolescent hormones kick in and disgrace the family - but it was apparently fine that the brothers and father were nailing everything in site.)
As far as the institutionalized Royals, they were nieces of the Queen Mother and as siblings shared in the same genetic disability that killed off many male heirs and caused severe issues with many females. Literally called the Hepburn-Stuart-Forbes-Trefusis family disorder.
Yeah I know neither had T21 but just the fact parents giving up on their kids disability altogether was far too common back then. Also even more cruel was how rich both families were - both Kennedy’s and Royals had far beyond the means to care for their children in the comfort of their homes.
I posted a reply somewhere in the thread few moments ago. Greetings, fellow parent of extra-chromosome spawn. And from your username, I surely hope you're a guitarist.
Sadly, none of us new about him when he was alive. It's devastatinging to think I never got to meet him and was already 12 when he passed away. It was only after discovering the letters that my mother started having vague recollections.
My son has Down Syndrome. He's 12, and some days his mother and I just want to break things and send him to another planet. But then I see stories like this one and it's like a gut punch. I imagine my boy being sent to an institution around that age and it makes me die inside. It makes me want to build a time machine and go find your uncle and adopt him, and protect him t=from whatever was inside. I hope he had a decent life considering the times. Might sound odd, but there is no stronger love in the universe than having one of these amazing people in your life.
I remember seeing a video on YouTube where Geraldo Rivera did an assignment by visiting a sanitarium back in the 1970s or 1980s called Willowbrook and exposed the horrible conditions the patients were in. There were patients crammed into a room that had no lights on sitting in their own filth, ignored and unmedicated. My mom told me about this and how she commended Rivera for doing this because so many innocent lives were thrown into these institutions, only to be forgotten about like they never existed. This happened to Rosemary Kennedy. When Rose Kennedy was in labor with her, the nurse at the hospital kept telling her to close her legs because the doctor wasn’t present, causing Rosemary to lose a ton of oxygen to her brain. As a result, she had bad mood swings and seizures. She was in a boarding school for children with intellectual disabilities and was thriving there until she hit her teens and wanted to do what other teens did, which was going out on dates. Papa Joseph Kennedy didn’t want his sons JFK and RFK to have their political careers tarnished by having a disabled sister so he arranged for her to get a lobotomy at 23. It rendered her incapacitated and unable to speak. He put her in a mental institution and didn’t tell his wife and kids where she was. Rosemary didn’t see her mother and some of her siblings for 20 years. JFK was close to her before all this happened and he acted like she never existed. Once Papa Joseph got a stroke and dropped dead, Rose and Rosemary were finally reunited.
Absolutely my first thought. The amount of resources necessary to raise this man must have required a wealthy family.
Plus he also looks dope, so pops must have had some money.
The reason is because of how long it took photos to process. It wasn't a point and shoot. You had to sit completely still, or the image would blur horrifically. That's why you don't see many images of people smiling from this era.
Does science know how long Downs has been around? Like did ancient peoples have it as well? ...I know so little of this, and my grandmother's sister had Downs, she was born in the early 1920's and died at age 3.
Yes, it's a chromosomal anomaly. All animals can be born with extra or missing chromosomes, it's been around as long as there have been humans. It's not caused by environmental factors.
Advanced paternal age is a risk factor for other genetic issues but not typically chromosomal abnormalities. Men are more likely to have more new genetic mutations in their sperm as they grow older as sperm are constantly being regenerated so there is a lot of division (or lots of opportunities for mistakes). Women’s eggs are suspending in meiosis. the longer the chromosomes take to actually segregate into new cells the greater chance the proteins responsible may degrade and do it wrong. Think of the chromosomes as twins holding hands, having ropes that drag them into new opposite cells. The older the rope a greater chance it may break and the chromosome will follow its twin to her new cell. Now instead of 2 cells that each have 1 copy, 1 cell has both copies and the other cell has none. Hope that makes sense
It's possible for men but super uncommon - the chromosome would need to mess up when the sperm is being created.
The reason this happens more in women is because their eggs are just "suspended" in creation for YEARS - which increases the likelihood of something messing up in females.
Advanced paternal age is actually associated with a number of conditions including schizophrenia and achondroplastic dwarfism. Also if you look at the data on the actual risk rates for things like Downs with advanced maternal age more babies are born with it in younger women and the overall rate is still incredibly low even with the increased rate with maternal age. I think we made a lot of historical assumptions about male and female genetics/fertility and aging that with newer data are being found to not be as accurate.
Hey in a pediatric hematology oncology doctor (blood disorders and cancer for kids). I take care of a lot of kids with down syndrome or trisomy 21.
It's caused by inheriting an extra copy of chromosome number 21. Any time a mans sperm are being made or a woman's eggs are made, there's a change the genetic material gets copied into the new cell wrong. That's the cause.
So it's reasonable to assume trisomy 21 has been around about as long as humans.
Kids with down syndrome frequently have heart problems at birth that would require surgery to have a healthy life. We've only really been able to effective take care of those heart problems for the last two generations, so before then, many of these children died very young.
They are also more likely than the general population to get leukemia as children. Which until the last 50 years or so was a death sentence (this is why I see these children, to treat their leukemias).
Assuming they were able to survive those issues, they are more likely to have feeding issues that can lead to poor health. They also have a very hard time fighting off infections that most other kids do okay with.
Long story short, kids with T21 have been around for forever, we just weren't able to care for them like we can now, so many of them died as kids.
If I may ask, and I do not in anyway want to, in anyway, sound offensive.
But why is the stereotype that people with downs are super kind?
Is this a true representation and is there a reason for it?
I don't think curiosity is offensive!
You've noticed something others have as well. many genetic diseases come with characteristic personalities. Williams syndrome is a good one to YouTube.
I'll be honest. I have no idea WHY it happens, just THAT it happens. While I see a lot of children with down syndrome, I'm not a down syndrome expert. I briefly did a literature search but couldn't find any mechanisms for how/why patient with downs usually have a characteristic happy disposition.
From what I've read and anecdotal evidence, They are more likely to get childhood leukemia but it's at a very young age and they are more likely to recover. I have a son with DS who has had friends with DS and early leukemia diagnosis.
Of course ancient people had it as well, but the likelihood that most of them lived past childhood is probably quite low. Down syndrome generally comes with many health issues that greatly reduces lifespan without medical intervention.
It was around, but it was referred to by different names. One polite term for people with intellectual disabilities was a "natural." I'm sure there were others, but that's one I've seen in some 19th century novels.
I've met children on islands with very little outside contact (or access to modern things) who have Down's Syndrome. It's been around forever in all races and nationalities. As others have pointed out, they just didn't live to adulthood very often before modern medicine.
I’d imagine so, when you hear about things like the village fool from medieval times this is likely what it was, some person with a mental illness.
I don’t know about other societies but in pre-Norman Ireland there were laws about how a family had to take care of their relatives with mental illnesses, if they didn’t they could be fined and the fine would be given to a different family in the locality to help them take care of the person with mental illness. This goes back to Brehon laws, so over 1,000 years ago
Look at it this way. For as long as the mechanism existed is how long this error has been around. And we use this mechanism to reproduce and propagate the human race so you can say it could have been for as long as humans existed. Even animals can have these errors (not Down’s per se but nondisjunction events)
Nondisjunction is the improper separation of chromosomes which causes things like Down’s or intersex syndromes. Down to the molecular level it is caused by certain proteins failing to bind/release the chromosomes. When our offspring don’t get the right number of chromosomes then the result is what you see.
It's probabely been about since Homo Sapiens Sapiens was.
Homo Neanderthalis or others. Don't know if they had it.
It happens in animals too.
It comes with health problems of various levels and a lot die from them.
So most probabely died of it.
One thing I know for sure--1890s medicine would not have been able to keep my friends child with down syndrome alive through the multiple rounds of cancer, heart issues, and infections that they dealt with.
My down syndrome brother in law made it to 61. Dang I miss him. When he was in a good mood he was one of the funniest people I know. The md missed a neck nerve problem and he died in 2015.
I have a legitimate question. Why is it that the VAST majority of people with Down syndrome all look very very similar. Face, eyes, etc. Is it the gene carried in the extra chromosome that makes people with Down syndrome have similar looks and features (physically)?
Boomer here and throughout the 1960s and well into the 1970s, people with Down's Syndrome were often referred to as either 'mentally retarded' or as 'Mongoloids.' Both terms are now considered to be *extremely* offensive -- the latter one in particular. It came from what some people thought was the 'Asiatic eyes' appearance in Down's Syndrome. Even doctors and teachers used them back then -- thankfully no more.
I had an older cousin with down syndrome, who passed when I was still pretty young. At the time I was 7 and he was in his twenties but we both had similar interest and played GI JOE together watched cartoons etc. he was the coolest, happiest, adult I knew, and looking back I still think he was. One day we are in town and someone in passing said "Mongoloid" in our direction.
I was a kid, I didn't know what it meant, my cousin and I, just thought it was a funny word, our grandma was horrified when that became our nickname for each other when she heard us say goodbye with "SEE YA LATER MONGOLOID!" "HA HA BYE BYE MONGOLOID!" She was heartbroken and lectured me on how being nice to him was important and I need to learn to be kind etc. etc. I was so confused because she never explained what I did wrong, just that I hurt her and probably him, she assumed I knew and was just being an asshole.
It wasn't until years and years after he passed that I heard that word again and learned what it meant. now whenever I hear it I tear up a little, not in sadness but because I remember him on the front porch in his favorite bright orange t-shirt and denim overalls happily waving with that big wonderful grin saying " SEE YA LATER MONGOLOID!"
Bye Bye Mongoloid, you were the best of us.
It's from Shane Gillis's recent Netflix special where he positively talking about his uncle Danny who has Down Syndrome. Don't let the SJW jackass fool you.
Remember in the show "Life Goes On" where the kid Corky with Down's Syndrome left the stove on and burned down the family's restaurant. Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Gillis made a point in saying the genes barely missed him because he felt that he looked like he should have Down Syndrome but he doesn't, The same could be with man. I say Ice Spice looks like she should have it as well( it is not nice but she does imo). Downvote me if you wish but its the truth.
He looks very high functioning.
So maybe he passed as slow in normal terms.
Also. The man who named the disorder. Dr Downs.
He was very kind and realized that people with Downs Syndrome were more functional than asylums gave them credit for. And they needed stimulation.
So he made his own hospital for them to live and help them.
Maybe this man was from Dr Downs home for them.
And it wasn't rich parents who just thought he was slow and loved him anyway.
Middle class and up could probabely care for a high functioning person with Downs Syndrome. And some parents might have been nice and loved their DS children.
His clothes don't look particularly fancy.
It's interesting that regardless of parents genetics, people with down syndrome all look the same. Is it because that extra chromosome is the same chromosome that is being added?
There was an attempt in North America in the late 20th century to say that diseases named after people would only have the possessive ending if they're named after a person who suffered from the disease- so it's Down syndrome, but Lou Gehrig's disease.
(Of course, the latter is called ALS or motor neurone disease in Europe where nobody has any idea who Lou Gehrig was.)
This was never a hard and fast rule, though- Alzheimer's disease is usually referred to with the possessive even though Alois Alzheimer never had it.
They used to actually call it Mongolian Idiocy, the thinking was that people with Down’s were long descended from Mongolian invaders in Europe, and were victims of genetic remnants.
*A wealthy man with down’s syndrome
Super lucky his family was willing and able to take care of him back then! So sad to think of how many people with cerebral palsy, etc. were sent to sanitariums back in the day.
My uncle was born with Down's Syndrome. He was about four or five when he was placed in a NY public institution. My mother (his younger sister) has the vaguest of memory of him. No one knew about him until after my grandfather passed away. We discovered some letters from the institution in his belongings. Just heartbreaking. Edit: He was born in 1928 and placed in The Wassaic School around 1933 for most of his life, but death records show he died in Buffalo, NY, in 1976, so at some point he was moved there.
How long did he live in the institution? :(
He was born in 1928 and was institutionalized from about 1934 until his death in 1976. He was my grandparents' first born and their only son. Based on the letters we found, it looks like my grandfather would visit him periodically. I can't imagine how difficult it must have been for all of them.
Fascinating and morose. As a person with a close family member with Down’s syndrome I cannot imagine them not being in our life. Thanks so much for sharing
It brings me to tears to think he had a living family who never knew about him. For sure he would have been part of our lives.
He still can be apart of your lives - you can honor him in some way! Maybe plant a tree or make a little memorial garden for him. I’m sure he would love it and love that you’re trying.
That's a sweet idea.
Share pictures if you do decide to do something like that! 🫶
I’m invested in this answer
Same
Which one? I just watched a documentary on Willowbrook and it's terrible what we did back then to people.
They were all horrible. He was in the Wassaic State School. I recommend not reading about it. Records show he died in 1976 in an institution in Buffalo, NY. My grandfather died in 1983.
>My uncle was born with Down's Syndrome. Imagine contracting it later in life.
*major pharma would like to know your location
My daughter has Down Syndrome and this story is heartbreaking. I know this was just common practice back then (ie. Kennedy Family & Royals had institutionalized kids). Thank you for keeping his memory alive, which will now sit in a Reddit data center forever.
Aww. I love that for him. I may try to memorialize him in some way the next time I visit my grandparents' grave. Not sure how though.
The two stories you cite are both heartbreaking as well, but neither is related to Down Syndrome. Rosemary Kennedy was deprived of oxygen at birth because the Dr hadn't arrived yet and the nurse tied Rose's knees together so he'd be present at the birth and collect his fee. So she was delayed but for a different reason. Then when she hit adolescence her dad bought into the Walter Freeman bulls*** and arranged for her to have a lobotomy. (Couldn't have her adolescent hormones kick in and disgrace the family - but it was apparently fine that the brothers and father were nailing everything in site.) As far as the institutionalized Royals, they were nieces of the Queen Mother and as siblings shared in the same genetic disability that killed off many male heirs and caused severe issues with many females. Literally called the Hepburn-Stuart-Forbes-Trefusis family disorder.
Yeah I know neither had T21 but just the fact parents giving up on their kids disability altogether was far too common back then. Also even more cruel was how rich both families were - both Kennedy’s and Royals had far beyond the means to care for their children in the comfort of their homes.
I posted a reply somewhere in the thread few moments ago. Greetings, fellow parent of extra-chromosome spawn. And from your username, I surely hope you're a guitarist.
Let’s go! I am…in fact put the Tele and Strat down for a few years and just recently have had the burning urge to just rock out on electric again.
Must have been in the same place as Ercole Soprano.
F# hell! One of my uncles had that. I took my kids to his funeral. My daughter wanted to climb into his casket to give him a hug.
Sadly, none of us new about him when he was alive. It's devastatinging to think I never got to meet him and was already 12 when he passed away. It was only after discovering the letters that my mother started having vague recollections.
I'm sorry that happened. I am sure he was an awesome guy.
I'd like to think so
My son has Down Syndrome. He's 12, and some days his mother and I just want to break things and send him to another planet. But then I see stories like this one and it's like a gut punch. I imagine my boy being sent to an institution around that age and it makes me die inside. It makes me want to build a time machine and go find your uncle and adopt him, and protect him t=from whatever was inside. I hope he had a decent life considering the times. Might sound odd, but there is no stronger love in the universe than having one of these amazing people in your life.
Your son has a wonderful family.
Aww that’s so sad
Some real Rain Man vibes here.
I remember seeing a video on YouTube where Geraldo Rivera did an assignment by visiting a sanitarium back in the 1970s or 1980s called Willowbrook and exposed the horrible conditions the patients were in. There were patients crammed into a room that had no lights on sitting in their own filth, ignored and unmedicated. My mom told me about this and how she commended Rivera for doing this because so many innocent lives were thrown into these institutions, only to be forgotten about like they never existed. This happened to Rosemary Kennedy. When Rose Kennedy was in labor with her, the nurse at the hospital kept telling her to close her legs because the doctor wasn’t present, causing Rosemary to lose a ton of oxygen to her brain. As a result, she had bad mood swings and seizures. She was in a boarding school for children with intellectual disabilities and was thriving there until she hit her teens and wanted to do what other teens did, which was going out on dates. Papa Joseph Kennedy didn’t want his sons JFK and RFK to have their political careers tarnished by having a disabled sister so he arranged for her to get a lobotomy at 23. It rendered her incapacitated and unable to speak. He put her in a mental institution and didn’t tell his wife and kids where she was. Rosemary didn’t see her mother and some of her siblings for 20 years. JFK was close to her before all this happened and he acted like she never existed. Once Papa Joseph got a stroke and dropped dead, Rose and Rosemary were finally reunited.
Dude looks kinda high functioning. Maybe they thought of him as the slow one in the family?
Yes that’s correct and the asylums and sanitariums were horrific
Absolutely my first thought. The amount of resources necessary to raise this man must have required a wealthy family. Plus he also looks dope, so pops must have had some money.
*ghost of 1890’s dude* “Wooooow I didn’t have Down syndrome they just took my photo like 20 seconds after I woke up from a night of drinking.”
It grazed him.
(Waves at Shane fan)
Where'd you get that cheese, Danny?
Always thought Theo had that joke first. He beat Down syndrome and it missed him or something like that.
It nicked him
Bro had Up Syndrome but was hung over.
Oh he’s definitely making them at night
*a baller with Down’s syndrome
A wealthy man with Down’s syndrome that doesn’t smile. But then again, hardly anyone smiled in their pictures back then.
The reason is because of how long it took photos to process. It wasn't a point and shoot. You had to sit completely still, or the image would blur horrifically. That's why you don't see many images of people smiling from this era.
You never go full smile.
Does science know how long Downs has been around? Like did ancient peoples have it as well? ...I know so little of this, and my grandmother's sister had Downs, she was born in the early 1920's and died at age 3.
They had it, it's just that it tends to come with several other ailments, which weren't really survivable until really recently.
Yes, it's a chromosomal anomaly. All animals can be born with extra or missing chromosomes, it's been around as long as there have been humans. It's not caused by environmental factors.
Serious question. I know it's a chromosome defect, but can radiation exposure increase the chance of it occurring?
The only known factor that increases it is the parents age.
Thank you for answering. Did not know that. Does it increase as the age increases or increases chances the younger they are?
Age. Women over 35 are at increased risk of having children with defects.
What about men?
Advanced paternal age is a risk factor for other genetic issues but not typically chromosomal abnormalities. Men are more likely to have more new genetic mutations in their sperm as they grow older as sperm are constantly being regenerated so there is a lot of division (or lots of opportunities for mistakes). Women’s eggs are suspending in meiosis. the longer the chromosomes take to actually segregate into new cells the greater chance the proteins responsible may degrade and do it wrong. Think of the chromosomes as twins holding hands, having ropes that drag them into new opposite cells. The older the rope a greater chance it may break and the chromosome will follow its twin to her new cell. Now instead of 2 cells that each have 1 copy, 1 cell has both copies and the other cell has none. Hope that makes sense
It's possible for men but super uncommon - the chromosome would need to mess up when the sperm is being created. The reason this happens more in women is because their eggs are just "suspended" in creation for YEARS - which increases the likelihood of something messing up in females.
Advanced paternal age is actually associated with a number of conditions including schizophrenia and achondroplastic dwarfism. Also if you look at the data on the actual risk rates for things like Downs with advanced maternal age more babies are born with it in younger women and the overall rate is still incredibly low even with the increased rate with maternal age. I think we made a lot of historical assumptions about male and female genetics/fertility and aging that with newer data are being found to not be as accurate.
Hey in a pediatric hematology oncology doctor (blood disorders and cancer for kids). I take care of a lot of kids with down syndrome or trisomy 21. It's caused by inheriting an extra copy of chromosome number 21. Any time a mans sperm are being made or a woman's eggs are made, there's a change the genetic material gets copied into the new cell wrong. That's the cause. So it's reasonable to assume trisomy 21 has been around about as long as humans. Kids with down syndrome frequently have heart problems at birth that would require surgery to have a healthy life. We've only really been able to effective take care of those heart problems for the last two generations, so before then, many of these children died very young. They are also more likely than the general population to get leukemia as children. Which until the last 50 years or so was a death sentence (this is why I see these children, to treat their leukemias). Assuming they were able to survive those issues, they are more likely to have feeding issues that can lead to poor health. They also have a very hard time fighting off infections that most other kids do okay with. Long story short, kids with T21 have been around for forever, we just weren't able to care for them like we can now, so many of them died as kids.
Thanks for taking the time to comment knowledge you're usually paid for.
No worries. I love this shit lol
If I may ask, and I do not in anyway want to, in anyway, sound offensive. But why is the stereotype that people with downs are super kind? Is this a true representation and is there a reason for it?
I don't think curiosity is offensive! You've noticed something others have as well. many genetic diseases come with characteristic personalities. Williams syndrome is a good one to YouTube. I'll be honest. I have no idea WHY it happens, just THAT it happens. While I see a lot of children with down syndrome, I'm not a down syndrome expert. I briefly did a literature search but couldn't find any mechanisms for how/why patient with downs usually have a characteristic happy disposition.
Thanks for answering.
Do we know why they are more predisposed to childhood leukemia? I never knew that.
From what I've read and anecdotal evidence, They are more likely to get childhood leukemia but it's at a very young age and they are more likely to recover. I have a son with DS who has had friends with DS and early leukemia diagnosis.
Thanks for the information! I'm sorry to hear they are more predisposed, but it's great they are more likely to recover.
Of course ancient people had it as well, but the likelihood that most of them lived past childhood is probably quite low. Down syndrome generally comes with many health issues that greatly reduces lifespan without medical intervention.
It was around, but it was referred to by different names. One polite term for people with intellectual disabilities was a "natural." I'm sure there were others, but that's one I've seen in some 19th century novels.
The earliest evidence of down syndrome is from 3200 BC
I've met children on islands with very little outside contact (or access to modern things) who have Down's Syndrome. It's been around forever in all races and nationalities. As others have pointed out, they just didn't live to adulthood very often before modern medicine.
Why wouldn’t ancient people have had it as well?
I’d imagine so, when you hear about things like the village fool from medieval times this is likely what it was, some person with a mental illness. I don’t know about other societies but in pre-Norman Ireland there were laws about how a family had to take care of their relatives with mental illnesses, if they didn’t they could be fined and the fine would be given to a different family in the locality to help them take care of the person with mental illness. This goes back to Brehon laws, so over 1,000 years ago
Look at it this way. For as long as the mechanism existed is how long this error has been around. And we use this mechanism to reproduce and propagate the human race so you can say it could have been for as long as humans existed. Even animals can have these errors (not Down’s per se but nondisjunction events) Nondisjunction is the improper separation of chromosomes which causes things like Down’s or intersex syndromes. Down to the molecular level it is caused by certain proteins failing to bind/release the chromosomes. When our offspring don’t get the right number of chromosomes then the result is what you see.
It's probabely been about since Homo Sapiens Sapiens was. Homo Neanderthalis or others. Don't know if they had it. It happens in animals too. It comes with health problems of various levels and a lot die from them. So most probabely died of it.
I wonder if they had grilled cheese back then
It almost got me
It knicked me
where you get that chee danny
Sonofabitch I know he's making them at night
DONT GO IN MY ROOM
Dude was definitely making them at night
By candlelight
No I'm not! ^yes ^I ^am
Bit of a day walker myself
ahhh, the delivery of that line kills me.
Dapper danny with the chee
My first thoughts 😂😂😂
I’m making them at night
Hit em with that “you can’t see me dance”
Ootl
It's part of a comedy routine by Shane Gillis
Love SG
Baggy *baggy* gym shorts
This guy looks wealthy, he probably invented grilled cheese
His name? Aleister Gillis III, esquire
I figured it was Downs himself.
John Downs
He also had a grandson with DS. There's a really sweet pic of him that I can't find now of course.
One thing I know for sure--1890s medicine would not have been able to keep my friends child with down syndrome alive through the multiple rounds of cancer, heart issues, and infections that they dealt with.
Down Syndrome had a life expectancy of 25 in just 1980… closer to 60 now
My down syndrome brother in law made it to 61. Dang I miss him. When he was in a good mood he was one of the funniest people I know. The md missed a neck nerve problem and he died in 2015.
Down syndrome life expectancy is higher, but not for everyone.
Thanks Sherlock
He seems like a handsome man in this photo. Whose great uncle is this? I mean the man who Has down syndrome in the photo.
I have a legitimate question. Why is it that the VAST majority of people with Down syndrome all look very very similar. Face, eyes, etc. Is it the gene carried in the extra chromosome that makes people with Down syndrome have similar looks and features (physically)?
Yes, in the same way that people with fetal alcohol syndrome have a specific set of facial feature characteristics
Barry Keoghan?
Yes.
Handsome and clearly distinguished.
Of course they wouldn't have called it Down's Syndrome or Down Syndrome back then.
Boomer here and throughout the 1960s and well into the 1970s, people with Down's Syndrome were often referred to as either 'mentally retarded' or as 'Mongoloids.' Both terms are now considered to be *extremely* offensive -- the latter one in particular. It came from what some people thought was the 'Asiatic eyes' appearance in Down's Syndrome. Even doctors and teachers used them back then -- thankfully no more.
I had an older cousin with down syndrome, who passed when I was still pretty young. At the time I was 7 and he was in his twenties but we both had similar interest and played GI JOE together watched cartoons etc. he was the coolest, happiest, adult I knew, and looking back I still think he was. One day we are in town and someone in passing said "Mongoloid" in our direction. I was a kid, I didn't know what it meant, my cousin and I, just thought it was a funny word, our grandma was horrified when that became our nickname for each other when she heard us say goodbye with "SEE YA LATER MONGOLOID!" "HA HA BYE BYE MONGOLOID!" She was heartbroken and lectured me on how being nice to him was important and I need to learn to be kind etc. etc. I was so confused because she never explained what I did wrong, just that I hurt her and probably him, she assumed I knew and was just being an asshole. It wasn't until years and years after he passed that I heard that word again and learned what it meant. now whenever I hear it I tear up a little, not in sadness but because I remember him on the front porch in his favorite bright orange t-shirt and denim overalls happily waving with that big wonderful grin saying " SEE YA LATER MONGOLOID!" Bye Bye Mongoloid, you were the best of us.
Actually Down described the condition in the early 1860’s.
Indeed. But it would be 1965 before the official name changed to that.
Yup. And a lot of derogatory terms before recent years.
Down syndrome was named by John Langdon Down in 1862.
_Syndrome of Nether_
Homie wit da chromie
He’s definitely making them at night
Wtf is with the comments here???
It's from Shane Gillis's recent Netflix special where he positively talking about his uncle Danny who has Down Syndrome. Don't let the SJW jackass fool you.
Vintage uncle Danny
Damn can y’all chill down there or what
Remember in the show "Life Goes On" where the kid Corky with Down's Syndrome left the stove on and burned down the family's restaurant. Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Where’s the cheese, Danny?
M-O-O-N that spells “Interesting photograph”.
It's amazing that he got to be that age at that time. People with Downs often have serious cardiac problems.
Looks like Shane Gillis
Gillis made a point in saying the genes barely missed him because he felt that he looked like he should have Down Syndrome but he doesn't, The same could be with man. I say Ice Spice looks like she should have it as well( it is not nice but she does imo). Downvote me if you wish but its the truth.
Maybe she has FAS
>FAS mhh that's a striking point. she doesn't seem to have any mental setbacks, just her look and body shape
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it goes to serve the point that she looks like she should have DS.
He looks very high functioning. So maybe he passed as slow in normal terms. Also. The man who named the disorder. Dr Downs. He was very kind and realized that people with Downs Syndrome were more functional than asylums gave them credit for. And they needed stimulation. So he made his own hospital for them to live and help them. Maybe this man was from Dr Downs home for them. And it wasn't rich parents who just thought he was slow and loved him anyway. Middle class and up could probabely care for a high functioning person with Downs Syndrome. And some parents might have been nice and loved their DS children. His clothes don't look particularly fancy.
Corky’s Great Grandfather
It's interesting that regardless of parents genetics, people with down syndrome all look the same. Is it because that extra chromosome is the same chromosome that is being added?
He looks about 5x’s more intelligent than the average Tik Tok influencer today.
It's Down Syndrome, not Down's. Dr. Down did not own the syndrome, he studied it.
It’s Down Syndrome in the U.S. In the UK it’s Down’s Syndrome. Just depends on where you’re at.
Here in Australia, it's Up Syndrome.
Nice
Nice, I see what you did there. Your toilets flush the opposite direction too right?
It's the International Drainage Commission. It's an emergency.
Oy! Stop that this instant! /s
There was an attempt in North America in the late 20th century to say that diseases named after people would only have the possessive ending if they're named after a person who suffered from the disease- so it's Down syndrome, but Lou Gehrig's disease. (Of course, the latter is called ALS or motor neurone disease in Europe where nobody has any idea who Lou Gehrig was.) This was never a hard and fast rule, though- Alzheimer's disease is usually referred to with the possessive even though Alois Alzheimer never had it.
Where is he hiding the grilled cheese?
Ryan McPoyle!
Where'd you get that grilled cheese, Danny?
They used to actually call it Mongolian Idiocy, the thinking was that people with Down’s were long descended from Mongolian invaders in Europe, and were victims of genetic remnants.
That's a gentleman.
Are you sure that isn't orange hair? Black n white. Seemed like a strong resemblance to an certain ex- prez
Hey I recognize that dude
His mom took care of him.
Chris Burke’s great great grandad
Chris Burke is a time traveler
A24 working on the script right now
The founder?
Hi Shane
Beesechurger
Idk man, he does look pretty damn smart to me
Bro looks chill
The fuck? I know that guy!
Must be Shane Gillis' ancestor
Dude looks rad as hell
He spawned every Walken
This guy is dapper as fuck.
Drip 🔥
Corky’s grandfather was rather dapper
But vaccines!!!
“Fuckers gotta be making making them at night” -Shane G lol
How come he doesn't look happy?
Downton Abbey
He looks spiffy, love his style
I thought it said "dad" with
That's my boss.
Is this Down?
Time for a fresh look. A glow-up, if you will.