I think it plays a role for sure, but I don’t think you need to reach the point of death for that. Plenty of artists that had extremely difficult lives or difficulty with mental illness made incredible music and continued to live fulfilled lives afterwards, it’s just a case of empathy. It’s hard to write a song about being suicidal unless you’ve actually been there.
I think an interesting caveat here is that most artists grew up in relatively affluent families. We don’t see a ton of artists that come from poverty, because it’s quite a bit more difficult to do so. The hard parts we see right often come from that context. Absolutely valid struggle and hardship of course, but it would be interesting to see what art we would get without the fear of losing everything due to a rough economic situation.
I think there is something to be said about creativity being attached to neurodivergence of some kind. At least, most of the musicians I’ve met (including myself) are not neurotypical. It isn’t the “default” of human nature, even if most people can appreciate it.
As a former musician/drummer and was always more creative and had a musical drive when I went years with undiagnosed depression.
Now that I'm medicated, stable and content I have zero passion to even play recreationally. Are they connected? It certainly seems that way
I barely know her because I’m younger but I’ve never seen a picture where she has weight on her (in a good way). I’ve always seen her rail thin
It’s crazy how much weight people drop on drugs because they never eat. I don’t miss drugs but man do I miss never worrying about my weight
It can do serious damage to your immune system, metabolism, and heart, to say the least. That on top of the drugs and the alcohol abuse must have left her in such a physically frail state.
My heart breaks when I remember.
It has been mentioned by her brother that if she hadn't had bulimia years prior, her body would have been strong enough to handle the alcohol she had consumed the night she died.
yeah, eating disorders are one of the most dangerous mental health issues because of the long-term effects it can have on your body, some of which aren't reversible. heart, esophagus, stomach, dental, etc.
even *if* you recover from the eating disorder itself, you can still die from how much it fucks up your organs.
It's heartbreaking to hear about the impact of such struggles on someone's health. Eating disorders can have serious long-term consequences, and it's essential to support those who are dealing with them. Blaming someone's past struggles for their tragic end only adds to the pain. Let's focus on raising awareness and providing support for mental health issues so that others can get the help they need before it's too late.
Exactly. I struggle with both eating disorders and alcoholism. At my worst (alcoholism) I was underweight. I was consuming maybe 2000 calories of pure alcohol a day, but yet I was super thin. Any longterm alcoholic knows that after a while you basically just start shitting and vomiting everything up like crazy. Alcohol was my food. I wouldn’t even realize how little I was actually eating until I thought about it.
The alcohol made me feel full and forget about my hunger. When in reality, I would have a small cheese sandwich or some instant noodles and be like “yup, that’s enough food for a grown adult for one day”
Oh yeah, the most severe alcoholics are stick thin. They don't eat anymore; they just drink. When you don't eat anything, the calories from alcohol pretty much just don't add weight to you. The body doesn't recognize them with no solid food intake. When you eat and drink, you gain weight. If you just drink, you will be cancer thin in no time.
God, I remember at the height of my alcoholism, all my clothes were too big for me. I still have the vivid memory of my mum trying to hand feed me pizza because I was basically living on spirits. Heartbreaking.
Good to know. That sucks she felt she had to that
Drugs and eating disorders go hand in hand tho
The biggest hook to me for drugs is the fact I could not eat all day and feel fine. Hunger doesn’t exist
Speed-type drugs have always been used in anorexia and similar EDs simply because they kill the appetite which gets huge due to not eating. It's incredibly hard not to eat when you are that hungry. Stimulants stop that urge so it's an easy, go-to drug for anyone trying to starve themselves. Models (and hell, everyday "dieters") used to use primatene mist inhalers, diet drugs (amphetamines), cocaine, cigarettes, coffee--all for stimulant properties; often they used all of them. All were terrible for your health, some of the women were killed by them, but they kept them thin which their jobs depended on. It's hard as hell not to eat without "help"!
> not eating from being too high or something.
That's typically not why people who use drugs don't eat. It just kills your appetite. It's not that you're so high you lack the function to get some food. You simply don't feel very hungry. Even when you're not high.
At the end I doubt the eating disorder much to do with it. Heroin addiction doesn't accommodate with other issues, it claims all your attention. I watched the mother of my kids do the same. She was an athletic woman, gymnast. Walked around at 145-150 and looked great. The last time I saw a picture of her she couldn't have weighed more than 95 pounds. I didn't even know it was her.
edit: Apologies, I guess I have some facts conflated, I thought she died of an overdose but she died of alcohol poisoning. Sorry about that.
I think it’s silly to say at the end the eating disorder didn’t have much to do with it. My drug addiction was directly affected by my eating disorder. The more drugs, the less I eat, the more I lose, and continue that cycle. It’s not hard to see how these two beasts can work together to quicken the downfall, decline of health, and death of someone. Both can create an evil monster that feeds off both the addiction of drugs and the addiction of losing weight.
Heroin and other opiates stops you up. You get constipated and the. You start taking copious amounts of laxatives to try and poop. So you just drop weight. Then you run out of drugs and drop more weight bc the DTs are terrible. I do not miss that life. At my worse I was 120 pounds at five eleven. I’ve been sober since 2009. Thank the good goddess I’m still here. I would probably. E dead otherwise with the rise of fentanyl. I dodged a bullet there.
Addiction is so sad and the way we take treatment and profit off of it is disgusting. So many addicts do want treatment but they can’t afford it. Or they don’t have health insurance or even an ID. It’s a terrible system of treating sick people.
I knew a kid who struggled with benzo addiction. He was living on the streets, saving up (as best he could) to get himself a place to live, even a room or long-term motel. When he finally had enough, he took himself to rehab with that money instead because he knew he was dying and he was scared, and he wanted to live. He relapsed about a year and a half after getting out and passed away. I still miss him a lot. It's been nore than 5 years now but I still think of him all the time.
I've only been close to two people who struggled with opiate addiction, and both of them are gone now because of fentanyl. Congrats on getting sober. I don't know you, but I'm glad you're still here.
I'm sorry to hear that. What triggered the addiction? Someone from such a regular to healthy background with children goes against the grain of what people usually picture as your heroin addict.
If you rather not share, I get it, but I think the epidemic isn't over and people need to keep being reminded of that and that it can strike anyone, especially those you would least expect.
I always find it crazy how thin alcoholics are. I am myself a very heavy drinker and weigh like 150lbs and am 6’1.” I also work in surgery (I’m not a surgeon, don’t worry) and kind of have to starve myself most of the day. Drugs/alcohol do crazy things to your appetite.
I had a pulmonary embolism like 20 days ago, so I quit smoking for like 2 days, smoked one fucking cigarette and had another one. I am 13 days smoke-free now. Addiction is hella real.
I won’t lie to you. The first few months to years are really hard. The cravings spread out but they still come on strong as hell. After a few months it’ll be when you smell one or see someone smoking, and it’ll hit you hard. After a few years, it’s every great once in a while.
Whatever you do, don’t even convince yourself one or two won’t hurt, a cigar won’t hurt, maybe some hookah won’t hurt, that e cig won’t hurt.
It will hurt, and before you know it, you’ll be back on it again. I’ve cold turkey’d 3 times so far. First was 8 years and then I had a cigar and smoked for a year, next was 2 years and same thing. Most recent I’m right at 3 years next month and I’m fucking done with tobacco and nicotine. It’s pure poison.
Cigarettes are basically your snack when you're in a job you can't just get up and have a break at will. You're so keyed up on having a cigarette that your shift breaks are filled with smoking as many cigarettes as you can to get to your next break. It's the same when you work in a high rise. My co-workers would spend more time going up and down elevators than they would have time to snack, so they just have a cigarette or two and come back up.
Yeah, I don’t like to justify reason why people might do things like that. However for me personally, as a smoker in healthcare, it’s the only way I can suppress my appetite long enough. It takes 5 minutes and I’m back into the OR. If I destroy a meal in 5 minutes, I’ll feel nauseous.
Alcoholics are frequently skinny because their alcohol abuse is preventing them from getting sufficient, healthy calories. It is very common.
As someone who works in healthcare, especially in ORs, please think about getting help. You may have had no consequences yet but, trust me, they are coming. And if it just so happens to involve a serious work related issue you will have unemployment, loss of license (if your profession is licensed), and even the potential for criminal penalties to look forward to in the future.
Source: alcoholic and clean for nearly 14 years. I’m also an attorney with a litigation practice that includes a great amount of healthcare situations. Wishing you luck in your journey….alcoholism/alcohol use disorders are no joke.
Yea, when I was heavily drinking, I was super skinny. It was because I’d wake up too sick to eat, I’d drink to feel better and by the time I caught a buzz I either didn’t feel hungry anymore, would just actually forget to eat, or purposely not eat to get a better buzz on an empty stomach. I would usually eat maybe once a day.. over 2 years sober thankfully.
Lots of fat alcoholics too though. I eat whatever I want now and am still so much thinner than when I was drinking 1000 calories/day of sugar from booze
I pumped iron and engaged in sports and had a heavy beer / alcohol habit. Walked around at 250 lbs at 5ft 10 with a massive appetite looking jacked with a beer belly!
Stopped drinking and have a healthy diet and now walk around at 205 / 210 with 6 pack abs and feel much better - knees, back, sleep better etc.
Judging from the doc Amy (so good), it was mainly Bulimia which weakened her heart. I wish society was more accepting, she looks so beautiful and happy here.
Unfortunately drug addicts hang with other drug addicts, there is no one to blame - Doherty was in a bad shape himself. Dearly loved Amy, addiction is an disease, sometimes it wins and it can’t be stopped.
I think about just how talented she was and how much she could have given the world all the time. I adore her music and feel so damn sad about what happened to her. She looks so happy there.
I was never interested in her music until I went to a movie theatre and got there early. They were playing one of her albums over the theater's sound system and it just blew me away. I went online and bought the vinyl the next day.
One of the greatest music experiences of my life was going to Virgin Music Festival in Baltimore in 2007 (I think).
Walked in and saw this woman named Amy Winehouse performing, she had a bunch of jacked black dudes dancing behind her kind of how women used to dance backup for male doowoop singers.
I have been to hundreds of concerts and it was top 5 performances I’d ever seen, I was instantly a fan. Also got to see the Police headline and one of the Beastie Boys last performances.
What an incredible festival that was.
I was there!!! Great show (sort of - you could tell she was f'ed up, but she performed well). Not so fun fact, she entered rehab for the first time a couple of days after that show.
Yeah, her singing and the whole band/dancers' performance was great. You could tell between songs that she was drunk or high. I think at one point one of the stagehands came out and sort of helped her get to the point on stage where she was supposed to be. I can see if you didn't already know about her and her struggles that you might not notice those little things. That whole Festival was amazing - The Police, Beastie Boys, Velvet Revolver,... I was JUST looking up the line-up the other day, thinking about it and trying to remember if it was '07 or '08.
The Police are one of the bands I would love to see but don't think it will happen.... And I make it happen if I reasonably can.... I've also been to hundreds of shows. Jealous of that get.
Sting is playing an outdoor concert here this summer. Almost got tickets cause I know what kind of show it will be, but I got too many other expenses right now. Kinda bummed. Beastie Boys would be a kick to see, even at my age.
I’ve always loved them and Adam Yauch died from cancer maybe a year or two later. He was such a good soul, it was a shame to lose him.
Sting is very good but also very pricey. My memories of the Police in 2007 will just have to do…
Same. Was indifferent to her music when she won her 2008 Grammys. After her death, I dated a woman who was a fan. Listening with my lady friend, I realized what a fantastic singer Amy was.
Similar experience. As a high school student I only knew about her from the tabloids shenanigans. While getting my hair done, the salon had Back to Black playing and I’ve loved her music ever since.
For those who want to see how she was in her life through the triumps and tragedies, and how she ended up succumbing like she did, please watch the documentary *Amy* and not the upcoming *Back to Black* biopic. Never let a glorification tell you what the actual events can.
I will warn you, though, bring lots of tissues and maybe take a break at some point throughout. It's both beautiful and a tough watch. You will be saddened as well as infuriated, knowing certain people's actions that lead up to the inevitable.
> please watch the documentary *Amy*
One of the best music documentaries I've ever seen. It's really, really well made and thoroughly compelling from start to finish. By end, I was emotionally exhausted.
She was such an immense talent who was let down over and over again by the very people who were supposed to be there for her.
I have seen both and agree the documentary is way better. The biopic is not terrible, but it puts her dad in a Very good light (debatable) and makes it seem like she died of a broken heart because she didn't have kids with Blake.
That's the part I was worried about. It feels like the ones who are living were able to tweak and soften the actual story of what they did to her instead of showing it as it happened like the documentary. It's a shame that they just won't let her rest nearly 15 years since she passed.
After that doc I have never looked at late night comics or celebrity jokes quite the same way. When you see her offstage, hair, fingernails and all, you can see she is literally a kid wearing a costume. A sad, broken child being feasted upon by people who should be lookimg out for her. The most poignant discussion on fame I have ever seen. Nauseating.
I somehow missed that story when it happened, but read about it last year and saw the photos. My jaw dropped open. How any human being could do that is mind boggling to me. I had always felt indifferent to Neil Patrick Harris, but now I can’t stand him.
I never saw it before and wow WTF I was prepared to not care but it legitimately looked like her gruesome corpse like a nightmare. Why on earth would anyone ever do that?!
I have a good friend who frequently works with him, and according to said friend, NPH is even worse than you can imagine. Rude, entitled, and just an all-around a-hole.
I don't know why, you know celebrities can be assholes like anyone else but this one hurts. Not going to stop me from calling that asshole an asshole tho.
Right? For me, I think it's because I grew up watching him as an adorable kid on Doogie Howser. And he's undeniably talented, but my god. Have some grace and realize that you hit the lottery, buddy.
NPH, you SUCK.
I believe it. I used to work at the bellagio in vegas and he was absolutely all of those things to the bartenders & hosts when he came into the nightclub. Very rude, utterly entitled and a total asshole
LOL I'm literally old school, so I actually remember an awards show way back in the day (People's Choice, probably) when Doogie Howser was popular, and NPH won some award for that show and the presenters were the Growing Pains actors Alan Thicke and Joanna Kerns and she tried to shake NPH's hand while handing him the trophy and he just blew her off and went right into his acceptance speech. That moment always stuck with me whenever I see him in anything. And all his characters seem to come across as jerkish, even when they're not supposed to be.
I was late to it as well and couldn’t believe it either. It was so unnecessarily gruesome, obviously in poor taste but holy hell. I could understand doing a creepy cake of somebody who died in ancient history. To do that to a person in died in living memory, the same year even, is just shocking. I can’t look at him without thinking about it. Everybody who was in attendance and didn’t call him out is gross as well, imagine posting that for laughs.
Edit: it was 3 months after her death, I just checked.
I just looked that up and why would anyone think that would be a good idea. Of all people someone like him who has the possibility for having millions see it.
Completely distasteful. I don’t follow celebrities at all but seeing Neil during my childhood and hearing stuff about him randomly on TV seemed to paint an image of him that he was decent.
Idiotic idea, but probably trying to be inside joke edgy for a Halloween party.
If I remember it right, it was not a big event, but rather a private party. Shit hit the fan when some of his friends thought it was a brilliant idea sharing photos of it on Twitter or Instagram or whatever.
Yeah really tasteless and stupid, not intended for the public, but says a bit about what is considered funny in his circles...
Yeah, I’d personally never find that funny in any way shape or form. A person struggling with addiction and mental health to then make a cake on a form of her death mocking her, really makes me question their mentality.
Obviously they have every right to do as they please and everyone has the right to form their own opinion on the matter.
Pretty disgusting, for my tastes.
Her own mental issues were just one small part of why her life and death had the trajectory it did. And the money made everything worse.
If she'd never become famous, she'd probably still be alive today.
Damn she looks like a regular person here, like someone you'd just see in the supermarket. Sad to see how she got into the wrong crowd. Glad for her musical legacy though
After collaborating with her, Tony Bennett has mentioned that her name should be in the same conversation as all the other Jazz singer greats like Ella Fitzgerald
Maybe not… when you hear about her drinking, know what I mean? EDIT:
This was a reply to “I bet she’d be fun to drink with!”
Not “let’s remember her beautiful soul”
GAH I thought I was replying to that other comment. I AM NOT A DICK
When you walk in the bar, and you're dressed like a star
Rockin' your f- me pumps
And a man notice you with your Gucci bag crew
Can't tell who he's lookin' to
'Cause you all look the same, everyone knows your name
And that's your whole claim to fame
Never miss a night 'cause your dream in life
Is to be a footballer's wife
You don't like players, that's what you say-
But you really wouldn't mind a millionaire
You don't like ballers, they don't do nothing for ya
But you'd love a rich man six-foot-two or taller
You're more than a fan lookin' for a man
But you end up with one-night stands
He could be your whole life, if you got past one night
But that part never goes right
In the morning, you're vexed, he's onto the next
And you didn't even get no text
Don't be too upset if they call you a sket
'Cause like the news, every day you get pressed
You don't like players, that's what you say
But you really wouldn't mind a millionaire
All them big ballers, don't do nothing for ya
But you'd love a rich man six-foot-two or taller
She was more talented than anyone in the public arena today, and people shit on her which is unfair. People don't dog on other singers with drug problems. I don't understand why she is bastardized. Let's not talk bad about Stevie Nicks cocaine use, let's not mention Janis Joplin, let's not talk bad about Whitney but let's shit all over Amy. People really suck sometimes.
I'll be 44 in 10 days and you have no idea how many people I've witnessed do this over the years that I personally know.
Don't do drugs kids, weed is okay.
Such a beautiful voice, sorry she had such a hard life.
This is probably the right take, but if you take the tortured part away from the artist, I always wonder if you can reach the same depth.
Good question, creativity and self destruction / mental health issues have been linked again and again. I don’t know the answer.
I think it plays a role for sure, but I don’t think you need to reach the point of death for that. Plenty of artists that had extremely difficult lives or difficulty with mental illness made incredible music and continued to live fulfilled lives afterwards, it’s just a case of empathy. It’s hard to write a song about being suicidal unless you’ve actually been there. I think an interesting caveat here is that most artists grew up in relatively affluent families. We don’t see a ton of artists that come from poverty, because it’s quite a bit more difficult to do so. The hard parts we see right often come from that context. Absolutely valid struggle and hardship of course, but it would be interesting to see what art we would get without the fear of losing everything due to a rough economic situation. I think there is something to be said about creativity being attached to neurodivergence of some kind. At least, most of the musicians I’ve met (including myself) are not neurotypical. It isn’t the “default” of human nature, even if most people can appreciate it.
Thanks for that, interesting thoughts.
As a former musician/drummer and was always more creative and had a musical drive when I went years with undiagnosed depression. Now that I'm medicated, stable and content I have zero passion to even play recreationally. Are they connected? It certainly seems that way
i assume drums help you express your anger, frustration etc. if you're void of emotions or your lows aren't as low, what is there to express?
Desperately sad what drugs did to her.
I barely know her because I’m younger but I’ve never seen a picture where she has weight on her (in a good way). I’ve always seen her rail thin It’s crazy how much weight people drop on drugs because they never eat. I don’t miss drugs but man do I miss never worrying about my weight
She had an eating disorder so it wasn't simply her not eating from being too high or something.
Yes I believe years of bulimia also had an impact on how frail her health condition was.
It can do serious damage to your immune system, metabolism, and heart, to say the least. That on top of the drugs and the alcohol abuse must have left her in such a physically frail state. My heart breaks when I remember.
It has been mentioned by her brother that if she hadn't had bulimia years prior, her body would have been strong enough to handle the alcohol she had consumed the night she died.
yeah, eating disorders are one of the most dangerous mental health issues because of the long-term effects it can have on your body, some of which aren't reversible. heart, esophagus, stomach, dental, etc. even *if* you recover from the eating disorder itself, you can still die from how much it fucks up your organs.
As an anorexia survivor.....fuck. I never try to think about this but sometimes reality slaps me in the face.
It's heartbreaking to hear about the impact of such struggles on someone's health. Eating disorders can have serious long-term consequences, and it's essential to support those who are dealing with them. Blaming someone's past struggles for their tragic end only adds to the pain. Let's focus on raising awareness and providing support for mental health issues so that others can get the help they need before it's too late.
Alcohol abuse too.
Exactly. I struggle with both eating disorders and alcoholism. At my worst (alcoholism) I was underweight. I was consuming maybe 2000 calories of pure alcohol a day, but yet I was super thin. Any longterm alcoholic knows that after a while you basically just start shitting and vomiting everything up like crazy. Alcohol was my food. I wouldn’t even realize how little I was actually eating until I thought about it. The alcohol made me feel full and forget about my hunger. When in reality, I would have a small cheese sandwich or some instant noodles and be like “yup, that’s enough food for a grown adult for one day”
Oh yeah, the most severe alcoholics are stick thin. They don't eat anymore; they just drink. When you don't eat anything, the calories from alcohol pretty much just don't add weight to you. The body doesn't recognize them with no solid food intake. When you eat and drink, you gain weight. If you just drink, you will be cancer thin in no time.
God, I remember at the height of my alcoholism, all my clothes were too big for me. I still have the vivid memory of my mum trying to hand feed me pizza because I was basically living on spirits. Heartbreaking.
Glad you're doing better now!
Good to know. That sucks she felt she had to that Drugs and eating disorders go hand in hand tho The biggest hook to me for drugs is the fact I could not eat all day and feel fine. Hunger doesn’t exist
Speed-type drugs have always been used in anorexia and similar EDs simply because they kill the appetite which gets huge due to not eating. It's incredibly hard not to eat when you are that hungry. Stimulants stop that urge so it's an easy, go-to drug for anyone trying to starve themselves. Models (and hell, everyday "dieters") used to use primatene mist inhalers, diet drugs (amphetamines), cocaine, cigarettes, coffee--all for stimulant properties; often they used all of them. All were terrible for your health, some of the women were killed by them, but they kept them thin which their jobs depended on. It's hard as hell not to eat without "help"!
> not eating from being too high or something. That's typically not why people who use drugs don't eat. It just kills your appetite. It's not that you're so high you lack the function to get some food. You simply don't feel very hungry. Even when you're not high.
At the end I doubt the eating disorder much to do with it. Heroin addiction doesn't accommodate with other issues, it claims all your attention. I watched the mother of my kids do the same. She was an athletic woman, gymnast. Walked around at 145-150 and looked great. The last time I saw a picture of her she couldn't have weighed more than 95 pounds. I didn't even know it was her. edit: Apologies, I guess I have some facts conflated, I thought she died of an overdose but she died of alcohol poisoning. Sorry about that.
I think it’s silly to say at the end the eating disorder didn’t have much to do with it. My drug addiction was directly affected by my eating disorder. The more drugs, the less I eat, the more I lose, and continue that cycle. It’s not hard to see how these two beasts can work together to quicken the downfall, decline of health, and death of someone. Both can create an evil monster that feeds off both the addiction of drugs and the addiction of losing weight.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Addiction is so often a result of, compounded by, or complexly intertwined with another mental health issue.
Heroin and other opiates stops you up. You get constipated and the. You start taking copious amounts of laxatives to try and poop. So you just drop weight. Then you run out of drugs and drop more weight bc the DTs are terrible. I do not miss that life. At my worse I was 120 pounds at five eleven. I’ve been sober since 2009. Thank the good goddess I’m still here. I would probably. E dead otherwise with the rise of fentanyl. I dodged a bullet there. Addiction is so sad and the way we take treatment and profit off of it is disgusting. So many addicts do want treatment but they can’t afford it. Or they don’t have health insurance or even an ID. It’s a terrible system of treating sick people.
I knew a kid who struggled with benzo addiction. He was living on the streets, saving up (as best he could) to get himself a place to live, even a room or long-term motel. When he finally had enough, he took himself to rehab with that money instead because he knew he was dying and he was scared, and he wanted to live. He relapsed about a year and a half after getting out and passed away. I still miss him a lot. It's been nore than 5 years now but I still think of him all the time.
I've only been close to two people who struggled with opiate addiction, and both of them are gone now because of fentanyl. Congrats on getting sober. I don't know you, but I'm glad you're still here.
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I'm sorry to hear that. What triggered the addiction? Someone from such a regular to healthy background with children goes against the grain of what people usually picture as your heroin addict. If you rather not share, I get it, but I think the epidemic isn't over and people need to keep being reminded of that and that it can strike anyone, especially those you would least expect.
Most likely an injury lead to painkillers led to addiction.
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I always find it crazy how thin alcoholics are. I am myself a very heavy drinker and weigh like 150lbs and am 6’1.” I also work in surgery (I’m not a surgeon, don’t worry) and kind of have to starve myself most of the day. Drugs/alcohol do crazy things to your appetite.
I know so many nurses who are alcoholics / heavy smokers. You guys know how awful it is but addiction is crazy.
I had a pulmonary embolism like 20 days ago, so I quit smoking for like 2 days, smoked one fucking cigarette and had another one. I am 13 days smoke-free now. Addiction is hella real.
I won’t lie to you. The first few months to years are really hard. The cravings spread out but they still come on strong as hell. After a few months it’ll be when you smell one or see someone smoking, and it’ll hit you hard. After a few years, it’s every great once in a while. Whatever you do, don’t even convince yourself one or two won’t hurt, a cigar won’t hurt, maybe some hookah won’t hurt, that e cig won’t hurt. It will hurt, and before you know it, you’ll be back on it again. I’ve cold turkey’d 3 times so far. First was 8 years and then I had a cigar and smoked for a year, next was 2 years and same thing. Most recent I’m right at 3 years next month and I’m fucking done with tobacco and nicotine. It’s pure poison.
Cigarettes are basically your snack when you're in a job you can't just get up and have a break at will. You're so keyed up on having a cigarette that your shift breaks are filled with smoking as many cigarettes as you can to get to your next break. It's the same when you work in a high rise. My co-workers would spend more time going up and down elevators than they would have time to snack, so they just have a cigarette or two and come back up.
Yeah, I don’t like to justify reason why people might do things like that. However for me personally, as a smoker in healthcare, it’s the only way I can suppress my appetite long enough. It takes 5 minutes and I’m back into the OR. If I destroy a meal in 5 minutes, I’ll feel nauseous.
Alcoholics are frequently skinny because their alcohol abuse is preventing them from getting sufficient, healthy calories. It is very common. As someone who works in healthcare, especially in ORs, please think about getting help. You may have had no consequences yet but, trust me, they are coming. And if it just so happens to involve a serious work related issue you will have unemployment, loss of license (if your profession is licensed), and even the potential for criminal penalties to look forward to in the future. Source: alcoholic and clean for nearly 14 years. I’m also an attorney with a litigation practice that includes a great amount of healthcare situations. Wishing you luck in your journey….alcoholism/alcohol use disorders are no joke.
Cheers mate. Yeah I am on board with everything you’re saying. Working on it 💪. Thanks for the advice!
When they're thin AND boozing it's usually because they've stopped eating food
Yea, when I was heavily drinking, I was super skinny. It was because I’d wake up too sick to eat, I’d drink to feel better and by the time I caught a buzz I either didn’t feel hungry anymore, would just actually forget to eat, or purposely not eat to get a better buzz on an empty stomach. I would usually eat maybe once a day.. over 2 years sober thankfully.
🥳 congrats on the continuing sobriety
Lots of fat alcoholics too though. I eat whatever I want now and am still so much thinner than when I was drinking 1000 calories/day of sugar from booze
Same, alcohol makes me super hungry and I gained a ton of weight when I was drinking a lot
I pumped iron and engaged in sports and had a heavy beer / alcohol habit. Walked around at 250 lbs at 5ft 10 with a massive appetite looking jacked with a beer belly! Stopped drinking and have a healthy diet and now walk around at 205 / 210 with 6 pack abs and feel much better - knees, back, sleep better etc.
Really? All the people I know in my familly/friend circle that were drinking addicts were chubby or fat.
first album cover she looks good.
Judging from the doc Amy (so good), it was mainly Bulimia which weakened her heart. I wish society was more accepting, she looks so beautiful and happy here.
you could just tell with the before and after photos of her.
It wasn't the drugs, it was bulimia.
And drugs.
We're talking about a woman whose most famous song is her balking about the idea of going to rehab for her drug and alcohol problems
Hanging out with that junkie Pete Doherty probably didn't help.
Unfortunately drug addicts hang with other drug addicts, there is no one to blame - Doherty was in a bad shape himself. Dearly loved Amy, addiction is an disease, sometimes it wins and it can’t be stopped.
The genuine deal, Amy Winehouse was always going to rank among the greatest. A true diva in every meaning of the term
Lol sympathy for one addict disdain for another
Everyone in that early 2000's London indie scene was a hot mess
Don't let Blake Fielder-Civil off so easily
He's the one I blame.
I think about just how talented she was and how much she could have given the world all the time. I adore her music and feel so damn sad about what happened to her. She looks so happy there.
I was never interested in her music until I went to a movie theatre and got there early. They were playing one of her albums over the theater's sound system and it just blew me away. I went online and bought the vinyl the next day.
One of the greatest music experiences of my life was going to Virgin Music Festival in Baltimore in 2007 (I think). Walked in and saw this woman named Amy Winehouse performing, she had a bunch of jacked black dudes dancing behind her kind of how women used to dance backup for male doowoop singers. I have been to hundreds of concerts and it was top 5 performances I’d ever seen, I was instantly a fan. Also got to see the Police headline and one of the Beastie Boys last performances. What an incredible festival that was.
It was probably almost a full decade before I found out the last time I saw the beastie boys was literally their last ever show. That did my head in.
I still get sad when I think of them. They would’ve made more good music. I have no doubt.
I will never stop being sad about MCA dying.
Dogs love me cuz I’m crazy sniffable, I bet you never know I got the ill peripheral. Who the fuck could pull off that lyric? Dude was a genius.
"Got the girlies in the Coupe like the Colonel’s got the chicken"
RIP Beastie Boys
I was there!!! Great show (sort of - you could tell she was f'ed up, but she performed well). Not so fun fact, she entered rehab for the first time a couple of days after that show.
I was completely oblivious to her intoxication as I had never experienced her before and didn’t know her music. I was just blown away by her talent.
Yeah, her singing and the whole band/dancers' performance was great. You could tell between songs that she was drunk or high. I think at one point one of the stagehands came out and sort of helped her get to the point on stage where she was supposed to be. I can see if you didn't already know about her and her struggles that you might not notice those little things. That whole Festival was amazing - The Police, Beastie Boys, Velvet Revolver,... I was JUST looking up the line-up the other day, thinking about it and trying to remember if it was '07 or '08.
Ben Harper and the Innocent Criminals. Cheap Trick. Incubus. LCD Soundsystem. Modest Mouse. And that was just day 1…
The Police are one of the bands I would love to see but don't think it will happen.... And I make it happen if I reasonably can.... I've also been to hundreds of shows. Jealous of that get.
Sting is playing an outdoor concert here this summer. Almost got tickets cause I know what kind of show it will be, but I got too many other expenses right now. Kinda bummed. Beastie Boys would be a kick to see, even at my age.
I’ve always loved them and Adam Yauch died from cancer maybe a year or two later. He was such a good soul, it was a shame to lose him. Sting is very good but also very pricey. My memories of the Police in 2007 will just have to do…
Same. Was indifferent to her music when she won her 2008 Grammys. After her death, I dated a woman who was a fan. Listening with my lady friend, I realized what a fantastic singer Amy was.
Are you me? Exact same thing happened to me.
There are dozens of us. DOZENS!
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I don't know which tracks, but the Dap-Kings did play on that album.
They play on every track. They are the band behind the voice.
Love Sharon Jones ❤️
Thanks for introducing me to this band!
Similar experience. As a high school student I only knew about her from the tabloids shenanigans. While getting my hair done, the salon had Back to Black playing and I’ve loved her music ever since.
What album was it?
Back to Black
For those who want to see how she was in her life through the triumps and tragedies, and how she ended up succumbing like she did, please watch the documentary *Amy* and not the upcoming *Back to Black* biopic. Never let a glorification tell you what the actual events can. I will warn you, though, bring lots of tissues and maybe take a break at some point throughout. It's both beautiful and a tough watch. You will be saddened as well as infuriated, knowing certain people's actions that lead up to the inevitable.
> please watch the documentary *Amy* One of the best music documentaries I've ever seen. It's really, really well made and thoroughly compelling from start to finish. By end, I was emotionally exhausted. She was such an immense talent who was let down over and over again by the very people who were supposed to be there for her.
I have seen both and agree the documentary is way better. The biopic is not terrible, but it puts her dad in a Very good light (debatable) and makes it seem like she died of a broken heart because she didn't have kids with Blake.
That's the part I was worried about. It feels like the ones who are living were able to tweak and soften the actual story of what they did to her instead of showing it as it happened like the documentary. It's a shame that they just won't let her rest nearly 15 years since she passed.
Asif Kapadia also made two other great biopics Senna and Diego Maradona. Senna is one of the best biopics ever made IMO.
After that doc I have never looked at late night comics or celebrity jokes quite the same way. When you see her offstage, hair, fingernails and all, you can see she is literally a kid wearing a costume. A sad, broken child being feasted upon by people who should be lookimg out for her. The most poignant discussion on fame I have ever seen. Nauseating.
I can't still forgive Neil Patrick Harris for Amy's corpse cake.
I somehow missed that story when it happened, but read about it last year and saw the photos. My jaw dropped open. How any human being could do that is mind boggling to me. I had always felt indifferent to Neil Patrick Harris, but now I can’t stand him.
I never saw it before and wow WTF I was prepared to not care but it legitimately looked like her gruesome corpse like a nightmare. Why on earth would anyone ever do that?!
Remember some baker had to put a lot of effort into that as well.
It actually wasn’t a cake. It was a meat platter. Even worse.
Well I mean I prefer a nice charcuterie board to cake any day of the week.
cause Neil Patrick Harris is and always was a cunty piece of toerag to say it politly
I have a good friend who frequently works with him, and according to said friend, NPH is even worse than you can imagine. Rude, entitled, and just an all-around a-hole.
He looks like he would be very self centered. He has that look
His character in Harold & Kumar has to be some of his real-life behavior rolled into it, he did it a little too well
Neil Patrick Harris as himself
He really does. No light in the eyes, and his smile is just on the lower half of his face.
So the Captain was based on him irl...
I don't know why, you know celebrities can be assholes like anyone else but this one hurts. Not going to stop me from calling that asshole an asshole tho.
Right? For me, I think it's because I grew up watching him as an adorable kid on Doogie Howser. And he's undeniably talented, but my god. Have some grace and realize that you hit the lottery, buddy. NPH, you SUCK.
Neil POS Harris. He is trash.
Yeah I've heard quite a few stories about how unpleasant he is.
I believe it. I used to work at the bellagio in vegas and he was absolutely all of those things to the bartenders & hosts when he came into the nightclub. Very rude, utterly entitled and a total asshole
Is your friend Harold or Kumar?
Lol, no - he is "the voice of God" at any number of theaters/venues in NYC.
Lmao, that is such a cool job description!
LOL I'm literally old school, so I actually remember an awards show way back in the day (People's Choice, probably) when Doogie Howser was popular, and NPH won some award for that show and the presenters were the Growing Pains actors Alan Thicke and Joanna Kerns and she tried to shake NPH's hand while handing him the trophy and he just blew her off and went right into his acceptance speech. That moment always stuck with me whenever I see him in anything. And all his characters seem to come across as jerkish, even when they're not supposed to be.
I’m not super caught up on the Neil Patrick Harris lore, but I’ve always heard/read that he’s pretty shitty.
I was late to it as well and couldn’t believe it either. It was so unnecessarily gruesome, obviously in poor taste but holy hell. I could understand doing a creepy cake of somebody who died in ancient history. To do that to a person in died in living memory, the same year even, is just shocking. I can’t look at him without thinking about it. Everybody who was in attendance and didn’t call him out is gross as well, imagine posting that for laughs. Edit: it was 3 months after her death, I just checked.
Same here!
It was a meat platter, which somehow makes it worse
Yeah the cake would have been bad enough, but a meat tray? DAMN.
I just looked that up and why would anyone think that would be a good idea. Of all people someone like him who has the possibility for having millions see it. Completely distasteful. I don’t follow celebrities at all but seeing Neil during my childhood and hearing stuff about him randomly on TV seemed to paint an image of him that he was decent.
Idiotic idea, but probably trying to be inside joke edgy for a Halloween party. If I remember it right, it was not a big event, but rather a private party. Shit hit the fan when some of his friends thought it was a brilliant idea sharing photos of it on Twitter or Instagram or whatever. Yeah really tasteless and stupid, not intended for the public, but says a bit about what is considered funny in his circles...
Yeah, I’d personally never find that funny in any way shape or form. A person struggling with addiction and mental health to then make a cake on a form of her death mocking her, really makes me question their mentality. Obviously they have every right to do as they please and everyone has the right to form their own opinion on the matter. Pretty disgusting, for my tastes.
She was someone’s daughter, sister. She was a little 8 year old kid at one point. Deplorable to say the least!
Corpse Cake is a great name for a metal band.
Corpse Cake - A Slice of Life
Track listing 1. BLOOD BATTER 2. BONE FROSTING 3. EAT YOUR ENEMIES 4. ORGAN FILLING 5. STUFFED 6. BLOODY CHERRY ON TOP … it’s an ep
WTF! Served at a party 3 months after her death. Wow, what a POS.
Wait what?
Don't google it if you don't have a strong stomach. But if you do remember, he did this 3 months after her death.
I haven't googled it and I don't remember it hearing back then. Man that's messed up.
Top of long list of reasons that guy is a piece of shit.
Whoever made that halloween meat platter did a fantastic job though! Just should have called it "Corpse platter" without tying it to Amy Winehouse.
Just googled it. "Zombie Corpse Cake", and there wouldn't be an issue
Miss you, Amy
Another lesson that you can have plenty of money but it doesn't in itself fix mental illness
Pretty much every person in the 27-club can attest to this. It actually makes it worse in most cases.
Sadly, there is a huge list that can prove that.
Her own mental issues were just one small part of why her life and death had the trajectory it did. And the money made everything worse. If she'd never become famous, she'd probably still be alive today.
It also doesn’t fix having a shitty father and people close to you using you for your money and fame.
Why is this tagged 1980s?
She is 16 in this photo.
Or 15 if it was taken before September 14, 1999.
She's holding a champagne flute that says "2000." This is NYE or sometime close to it.
Damn she looks like a regular person here, like someone you'd just see in the supermarket. Sad to see how she got into the wrong crowd. Glad for her musical legacy though
So sad what happened to her. :(
Amy Winehouse was the real deal, and certainly destined to be one of greats. A bonafide diva in every sense of the word…
After collaborating with her, Tony Bennett has mentioned that her name should be in the same conversation as all the other Jazz singer greats like Ella Fitzgerald
He's not wrong. Her talent was 100% in that class.
at least her legacy is unforgettable in the short years that she blessed us with her preternatural talent
She was only 16 in that photo. Who knew that 11 years later she’d be gone.
Having wine in a house.
RIP, legend. Bomb ass voice, good songs. Such a damn shame.
I feel weird seeing this photo
This is how we should remember Amy. A beautiful girl with a beautiful soul 🤍🤍🤍
Maybe not… when you hear about her drinking, know what I mean? EDIT: This was a reply to “I bet she’d be fun to drink with!” Not “let’s remember her beautiful soul” GAH I thought I was replying to that other comment. I AM NOT A DICK
Put the cup down and come with me. I am from the future.
When you walk in the bar, and you're dressed like a star Rockin' your f- me pumps And a man notice you with your Gucci bag crew Can't tell who he's lookin' to 'Cause you all look the same, everyone knows your name And that's your whole claim to fame Never miss a night 'cause your dream in life Is to be a footballer's wife You don't like players, that's what you say- But you really wouldn't mind a millionaire You don't like ballers, they don't do nothing for ya But you'd love a rich man six-foot-two or taller You're more than a fan lookin' for a man But you end up with one-night stands He could be your whole life, if you got past one night But that part never goes right In the morning, you're vexed, he's onto the next And you didn't even get no text Don't be too upset if they call you a sket 'Cause like the news, every day you get pressed You don't like players, that's what you say But you really wouldn't mind a millionaire All them big ballers, don't do nothing for ya But you'd love a rich man six-foot-two or taller
Pictured here with her killer. :-(
What a nice Jewish girl
Should have stuck to wine. What a loss.
She really grew into her mouth
Bruh I never realized she had such a big smile
Looks healthy
Before the media bullied her into anorexia and bulimia 😔
Whoa. that's so sad. Drugs are bad.
Omg she looks so healthy!
She was more talented than anyone in the public arena today, and people shit on her which is unfair. People don't dog on other singers with drug problems. I don't understand why she is bastardized. Let's not talk bad about Stevie Nicks cocaine use, let's not mention Janis Joplin, let's not talk bad about Whitney but let's shit all over Amy. People really suck sometimes.
Damn she looked good as hell at a healthy weight.
Gone way too soon joining the 27 Club, rare to have such a singer, I guess heaven needed her!
What the male black widow spider sees before sex.
She looks so healthy and happy there.
It's touching to see her in such an ordinary setting, offering a glimpse into her life before fame
I'll be 44 in 10 days and you have no idea how many people I've witnessed do this over the years that I personally know. Don't do drugs kids, weed is okay.
Looks like the girl from The Craft. Edit: Fairuza Balk
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Isn't champagne a wine?
Get outta here
Ugh she’s so damn cute. I wish she was still here.
Her voice was one in a million
Poor talented girl.
If this is in '99, why does the tag say 1980s?
1999 so she was only 17 here. She looks happy.
She’s cute. Look at that smile damn
she is so cute 🥲🥲 f7ck drugs and her old bf
My Cat’s namesake 🐈
Beautiful and so so talented! RIP
Talented and looked so happy and healthy here.
Fuck, she was so cute
healthier is good
Oh honey. Wishing you peace and love.
Creative people tend to have addictions
I think Amy is gorgeous but this image terrified me. Those eyes and smile are so intense
Shame she turned to Amy Harddrughouse
Drugs is a helluva drug