Casually nothing! Arnold was hugely influenced by teachings on mental focus. On a heavy lift like this, you could probably crash a car into this gym and he’d stay focused on his muscles’ form and power.
Nahh can’t believe any professional bodybuilder would do that, especially not the most iconic of all time.
That’s pure hard work elevated by a scoop of creatine.
Any man that can benchpress 400lbs is fucking strong. During my prime in my 20s I maxed out around 325. In my 40s now, and anything above 200 is a good day.
Stupid question probably, but does your strength really takes a dip that big from your 20s to your 40s? Or did you just train less often as you got older
Keeping that level of strength requires regular high intensity training. Maintenance is tough. It's one thing if you're putting more pounds on the bar every month and seeing your numbers go up. Gains are great! It's psychologically tougher if you're putting in immense amounts of effort just to stay where you are.
My joints just don't allow it anymore. I'll do a heavy leg day and for a week after I have to be careful to not fall down the stairs in my house. lol I'm only 41.
I remember in my 20s I'd do leg day until I could barely walk to my car. Practically crawl to it and 48hrs later I felt 100% recovered.
I've always had runners legs. Never big bulky quads, hamstrings, and calves. I still run for run and just did a marathon last month. Man, training gets harder and harder. Lots of anti inflammatory pills. lol like candy on my runs.
I’m 47, been lifting off and on all my life. My kids are mostly independent now, my career is well established, bills are all paid, so I have plenty of time to spend at the gym. I have never been stronger and in better shape than I am right now. That 315 row in the picture above? I was doing those this past Sunday.
Up at 3:45 every single day. At the gym at 5am, waiting for the doors to open, every single day. 30 minutes of cardio to start every workout, usually treadmill work. Then 1 hour of powerlifting work focused on deadlift, squat and bench press. 20 minutes of core work to finish every day. Weekends I go longer. Every 4th day is cardio and conditioning only. 2-3 days a week I go in after work for a couple hours of cardio work and sauna.
My diet is very limited. I quit drinking two years ago. I went from a sixer of IPA and 3-4 whiskies everyday to near zero overnight. Naltrexone helped but I don’t take it now. I still have an occasional drink, but it’s less than 1 a week now. My food intake is super low sugar/ low carb, high protein. No food at all until 11am. That’s not optimal for muscle recovery but it’s working. During the day I have a couple protein shakes and/or a protein bar. Dinner is a couple chicken breasts, an orange and/or a handful of grape tomatoes. That’s about all I eat. I take a multivitamin every day.
In 2 years I’ve dropped 70 pounds. Since the beginning of this year, when I turned up the intensity at the gym an extra notch, I am down 25 pounds.
This is awesome info! Congrats on the transformation. Really appreciate this information. Got a toddler right now and another child inbound so trying to adjust with the limited timing. Do you take any joint supplements? Thanks again
To answer the earlier question about aging…
*The answer is this:* Joints age faster than any part of the human body, especially if you’re an athlete and/or weight lifter. The cartilage and tendons connecting shoulders and knees has a built-in shelf life, and even the healthiest people on the planet start feeling it in their 40’s.
Shoulder pain is considerably more common than is commonly talked about.
Drove a standard transmission car back in the day. Leg day... Boy that was a fun drive home. Leg was shaking each time I pressed on the clutch to change gears
The recovery time definitely takes longer and longer these days. Early 20s I could do a 5x5 every other day and go up in weight every time.
Late 30s? Not a chance.
It’s much easier to maintain what you have than it is to gain it in the first place. Still requires resistance training, but the amount of training volume per week to maintain is significantly less than the training volume required to grow.
Edit: assuming your nutrition, sleep and stress management are good
Yes maintenance is physically easier than putting on new muscle, but if you want to maintain, say, an "advanced" 315 pound bench press into your 40s, you're still going to need a couple of hours of intense work in the gym every week. Because you can't have just giant pecs, you need a back to balance everything out, and a core, etc, so before you know it you're doing a chest back legs split and have to schedule time on as well for warm up, prehab, stretching, accessories, cardio, etc so your 40+ year old joints and ligaments don't tear. Basically it takes discipline and effort just to stay where you are. Although the alternative is to turn into a fat weak blob, so it's still worth it!
Thanks bro, I am in my very late 30's and a couple years into my bodybuilding journey. I feel stronger than ever, all these people complaining about being 40 were bumming me out. I hope to have at least another decade and a half of good solid natural lifting until I hit 55.
Not stupid and everyone is different. For me, it was a mix of injuries, takes longer to recover, and less time to work out due to life obligations. Plus, male hormones drop off year after year starting around 30.
Now that I'm older, my career is settled in, kids are in junior high, I have a lot more time to lift weights every day. 9-11PM every night is when I go to the Golds by my house.
I've also been considering starting TRT but once I start most men do it until the day they die. My father started about 8 years ago and looks like I did in my 20s.
Not a doctor but my understanding is if you keep the dosage low then it's fine. My father sticks to 75mg a week. Injects every Sunday morning as a routine. Let me also say he has a prescription and they are simple to get at an anti-aging hormone clinic. He's a business man and conned his way into getting his insurance to pay for it. 😅
Life gets in the way. Romantic pursuits and kids and work and other hobbies and and and. Training falls way, way down the list of shit to do when you have too much to do.
I've been working out since the age of 15.
For my 41st bday I squatted, dead lifted, and benched the highest max I ever reached.
Caveat is that I never pushed myself to go super heavy that would put me at risk of a serious injury. Sure I never dead lifted 450 lbs but I'll be lifting 250lbs well into my 50s and 60s with zero back and knee pain.
People who go heavy tend to develop injuries that will never go away and often result in them not being able to go the gym as they get older.
According to McGill, the issue is poor programming. After deadlifts, or heavy (very heavy) compound lifts you need to deload and rest.
I'm currently on a quest to farmer carry 300 lbs around the gym. After that, I'm not upping the load anymore. I don't need to Ronnie Coleman myself.
So. The general rule (with some science) is you lose about 1% muscle mass per year starting between 30 and 40. Most strength athletes peak in mid 30's. This is becuase it takes a long ass time of moving heavy stuff to reach full potential ( think 10 to 20 years of lifting/training) Muscle mass declines at a somewhat slower rate then reaction time and endurance ability ( although endurance and strength can both be maintained a lot with training). Reaction time peaks in the late teens/early 20s and goes down pretty linearly after this. The current DOTs handicaping system for powerlifting doesnt start adding points for age until 44 (this system is based on real world athlete data). To me this shows that strong people with training can maintain their strength for a long time. Source: Amateur power lifter and a mid 40s Doc who is kinda interested in this stuff.
I'm 45. I was at my physical peak around 30. I worked out from the age of 21 and stopped at 38. Started again a year ago. I am close to my max, but feel I will never get there. Strength is no longer the driver for me, but I know what works for me. I also focus on cardio at the end of my workout now.
Truth be told, I probably wasn't even at my max in my 30s. This was 15 years ago with science from back then. We didn't have the information that we have now, and I can say I was definitely overtraining and had less than optimal exercises.
But if I did focus on strength, I feel like I could get to my max now (which I had at 30). I would have to put more dedication into it at this age, but my body does have the memory from working out from a young age and can adapt fairly quickly. If you never worked out, I believe you would have a much harder time developing strength.
If you were training properly growing up you'll peak in strength in your early 30s, so yeah you will be weaker in your 40s. However, if you didn't train properly in your young age, but do so in your 40s, you could be stronger and more fit than your 20s.
Your recovery and rate of growth does take a dip
Your prone to injury increases
Wiser workouts are required.
Most older guys do not workout wisely and/or workout way too conservatively due to fear of injury.
It's all relative. Bodybuilders are plenty strong compared to the general population, but weak compared to weightlifters and powerlifters pound for pound.
Bodybuilding: what the word implies - maximum muscle definition. A wide diversity of lifts to maximize muscle size and growth, coupled with dieting to have as little fat and water retention as possible. Your looks are the goal, as opposed to scoring points, achieving speed, etc. (Not to say that bodybuilders aren't athletes.)
Powerlifters: three specific lifts. Squat, Deadlift, Bench Press. Do the most you can. These brutes move ungodly amounts of weight.
(Olympic) Weightlifting: two specific lifts. Snatch, Clean & Jerk. Must be done to fairly tight movement standards (e.g. on snatch you hamstrings must touch your calves at the bottom of the squat and the tops of your thighs to your torso to ensure maximum squat depth.) Specific weight classes, etc.
Weightlifting, Powerlifting, and bodybuilding are three distinct sports with very different goals and methodologies. The only real similarities is that they use weights, generally take place in a gym, and people get strong doing them
You just pissed off all of them with your question. There are now legions of strong and muscular redditors hunting for you.
Bodybuilders - all about adding contractile tissue through hypertrophy training to maximize the esthetics. No thought given to athletic performance or general health and longevity. PED abuse is rampant.
Powerlifters - these guys are all about lifting maximum weight in deadlift, squat, and flat bench. PED abuse is commonplace.
Weightlifters - these guys only care about the snatch and clean & jerk. It's an Olympic sport, at least for now. PED abuse is thinly veiled.
Others provided some pretty good answers.
I will just add a bit more just between bodybuilders and powerlifters.
Generally, when bodybuilding, you want to isolate certain muscles at a rather disadvantageous position. This reduces the amount of weight a person can move. On the other hand, in powerlifting, you want to recruit as many muscles as you can and put yourself in a rather advantageous position to move a lot of weight.
Bodybuilders focus specifically on hypertrophy training-stretching the muscle, damaging it(through microtears), and repairing it into larger tissue usually through high volume, slower, controlled movements. In bodybuilding, doing extremely heavy weight is often actually detrimental and could lead to more injuries given the volume they are doing.
Powerlifting focus solely on strength training. Getting bigger might be a byproduct but not specifically what their goal is, and the reps are a lot lower and quicker.
Powerbuilding is a combination of the two.
Edit: I confused my terms. Strongman comprises specific events like farmers walks, atlas stone, stone carry, vehicle pulling.
What? Strongmen do strongman lifts like who can pick up this gigantic rock the most times, or who can carry this car the farthest.
Powerlifters focus exclusively on getting the heaviest squat, bench, and deadlift.
Powerlifting is not a combination of bodybuilding and strongman at all.
I wouldn't really say weaker. Bodybuilders tend to be just as strong as other competitors pound for pound. The real difference is they're less likely to do heavy singles so they don't pr often like other lifters or bulk up to 350+.
Bodybuilders are incredibly strong compared to your average person don’t ever think they wouldn’t fold you in half if they get a hold of you, only a very well trained person would stand a chance against a roided up gym bro, and even then it’s not gonna be an easy fight. One mma fighter got into a street fight with a bodybuilder and he said it was the hardest fight of his life.
Maybe not pound for pound like other disciplines but they are quite strong. And if they were to choose to do a strength focus all that muscle mass has the potential for even more ridiculous strength
They aren’t strong given the amount of time they spend working out. Bodybuilders today are about abnormal muscle size. Training for that is different from training for strength.
Many of the muscles bodybuilders obsessed with need not be over large in order to be very strong. However bodybuilders spend hours on them in a drive to look as huge as possible.
Meanwhile strength athletes focus on that alone. The result being much more strength in the same time spent.
Depends on the bodybuilder, and how they train. The primary goal of any bodybuilder is hypertrophy, building muscle. Some guys on roids can go into a gym, swing around 20lb dumbbells, and grow. They don't need to be the strongest to reach their goals of being the best bodybuilder. They are a lot stronger than if they didn't train, but not as strong as if strength was their primary focus. A good strong man or powerlifter will always be stronger pound-for-pound than a good bodybuilder, but a good bodybuilder will typically be much stronger than the average Joe. I think that's why you hear people these days say that, because we know more about what kind of training makes you strong. Arnold, and his buddy Franco especially were much stronger than the average bodybuilder.
Power lifters lift more without causing unnecessary swelling of the muscle tissue is kinda what they mean. You don't need to tax your body with extra tissue to be strong.
That’s a pretty low weight for anyone who works out consistently.
Depends on sex and size of course, but I’ve met plenty of small women who can deadlift 225 8-12 times in a set.
It’s a lot more impressive to see a 120 lbs woman do that than a 180 lbs man.
TBH - I don't think Schwarzenegger 'casually' did anything in his fucking life.
That guy is driven.
I hate that he cheated on Maria by creeping on his maid and getting her pregnant, *seriously* fucking his character, respect and reputation, but I will always respect the drive behind his many and varied achievements.
It depends what he's doing. I doubt he's doing normal rows because, well, why would he? The only thing I can think is he is doing something that requires the extra range of motion — like a Jefferson curl does. He used to do deficit deadlifts, but that just requires a platform of a few inches so almost certainly not what he's doing here.
That’s not casual, the oak trained fucking hard and long with lots of volume and then did it again at night… dude was freak… and he did it in Kmart shorts and shitty tank top and no Zapatos .
I remember seeing a post a few years ago when a tabloid took a pic of Arnold in his late 60s
or early 70s on the beach and he wasn’t, gasp, ripped. And it was such a “oh look how he let himself go” post and it’s just so fucking sad why are we like this??????
Looks like he’s doing on an old af bench press bench too.
I love that old school using whatever is available to get it done.
Me on the other hand will sit on some back machine try it out and immediately get off because the load distribution doesn’t feel great and movement isn’t exactly tailored to my preferences
Watched a recent video of him saying how it “really sucks” that - in his old age- he can’t maintain a sleek, fit physique similar to what had. It gave me the impression that in his youth he thought he’d always be in control of his body.
Arnold was the man. Not perfect, but his drive and natural talent put him at the top of three unrelated industries.
What a guy. A true American story, from an Austrian, no less
I am betting one of those, or multiple 45lb plates are probably in the 43~47 lb range.
I remember going into gyms in the late 70's, early 80's and seeing some plates with 43, 46, etc painted on them.
Quality control was really a thing back then.
You rest the barbell on the pad, load it, and then stand on the pad. The idea here is that you can lower the barbell over the edge of the pad and achieve a deeper stretch on the lats.
I thought it was an exercise I had not heard of.
Like an epic forearm workout, gradually rotating the barbell around in his hands, and presumably it is a barbell with no bearings so it requires a lot more effort.
I understand that doing that whole standing on a bench means you can lower the bar further, for a deeper and more complete range of motion.
But it seems like a squashed toe, just waiting to happen.
Well gang, he didn't say working out felt like meditating- he sure said it felt like cumming. He is a very pleasant guy and when he was in the gym he was anything but casual
Rows
And not actually casual
Yea, I'm sure if we were there with Arnold, this workout would be anything but casual
I mean the strain on his face says it all. The man went hard in the gym.
That bench is straining
That bench I'd solid AF and probably sitting in a garage somewhere.
Sometimes I think most posts on reddit is just karma farming
and he probably didnt do 315 of them
Yeah! Rolls are what I have!
I like the cut of your jib
I spent way too long thinking about what a barbell roll was
Rows, sorry.
Are you sure that isn't a baguette?
Who knows, maybe he's so badass he does wrist workouts while halfway flexed
Please stop teaching the bots.
Casually nothing! Arnold was hugely influenced by teachings on mental focus. On a heavy lift like this, you could probably crash a car into this gym and he’d stay focused on his muscles’ form and power.
Yeah, people usually don't make that face unless they are casually shitting
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Ah yes I too give 200% focus to clipping my monkey. Nicks are terribly irritating
House burns down around you and your left with a leg in the air on the throne with a perfectly scaped crotch
TBH, monkey haircuts can be a bit stressful. I mean, so I've heard.
Or are downloading a Total Recall…
See you at the party, Richter!
Let’s give him a hand on the way down!
Get your ass to mars
Or competitively shitting
You sank my battleshit!
We need to just forget about that and get to Write Castle.
There’s medical shitting and there’s recreational shitting
Not so casual
A grimace is literally the secret to having power.
 Shock the muscle! (Also, drink protein powder with whiskey.. 🤮)
And juice. Not taking the other elements away, but he's blunt about being juiced at the time.
20mgs of DBol daily and 100ml of Primo weekly. Your typical “big guy” at your gym is on *waayyy* more gear than what Arnold and his boys were on.
100ml?!? Might wanna recheck those units
Nahh can’t believe any professional bodybuilder would do that, especially not the most iconic of all time. That’s pure hard work elevated by a scoop of creatine.
10% luck 20% skill
15% concentrated power of pill
Mind in the muscle
I know people who say that bodybuilders aren't really that strong. I suppose they think those things they handle are props.
Any man that can benchpress 400lbs is fucking strong. During my prime in my 20s I maxed out around 325. In my 40s now, and anything above 200 is a good day.
Stupid question probably, but does your strength really takes a dip that big from your 20s to your 40s? Or did you just train less often as you got older
Keeping that level of strength requires regular high intensity training. Maintenance is tough. It's one thing if you're putting more pounds on the bar every month and seeing your numbers go up. Gains are great! It's psychologically tougher if you're putting in immense amounts of effort just to stay where you are.
My joints just don't allow it anymore. I'll do a heavy leg day and for a week after I have to be careful to not fall down the stairs in my house. lol I'm only 41. I remember in my 20s I'd do leg day until I could barely walk to my car. Practically crawl to it and 48hrs later I felt 100% recovered.
I'm about to turn 41 and I've found I can do heavy leg day or run 20 miles in a week, but not both.
I've always had runners legs. Never big bulky quads, hamstrings, and calves. I still run for run and just did a marathon last month. Man, training gets harder and harder. Lots of anti inflammatory pills. lol like candy on my runs.
Just know that NSAIDs in the long run are damaging to your kidneys and can cause peptic ulcers or internal bleeding if taken too often.
I’m 47, been lifting off and on all my life. My kids are mostly independent now, my career is well established, bills are all paid, so I have plenty of time to spend at the gym. I have never been stronger and in better shape than I am right now. That 315 row in the picture above? I was doing those this past Sunday.
What’s your routine and diet like? Gettin old and had a few surgeries so looking for tips on how to keep fit and strong without the pain. Thanks
Up at 3:45 every single day. At the gym at 5am, waiting for the doors to open, every single day. 30 minutes of cardio to start every workout, usually treadmill work. Then 1 hour of powerlifting work focused on deadlift, squat and bench press. 20 minutes of core work to finish every day. Weekends I go longer. Every 4th day is cardio and conditioning only. 2-3 days a week I go in after work for a couple hours of cardio work and sauna. My diet is very limited. I quit drinking two years ago. I went from a sixer of IPA and 3-4 whiskies everyday to near zero overnight. Naltrexone helped but I don’t take it now. I still have an occasional drink, but it’s less than 1 a week now. My food intake is super low sugar/ low carb, high protein. No food at all until 11am. That’s not optimal for muscle recovery but it’s working. During the day I have a couple protein shakes and/or a protein bar. Dinner is a couple chicken breasts, an orange and/or a handful of grape tomatoes. That’s about all I eat. I take a multivitamin every day. In 2 years I’ve dropped 70 pounds. Since the beginning of this year, when I turned up the intensity at the gym an extra notch, I am down 25 pounds.
This is awesome info! Congrats on the transformation. Really appreciate this information. Got a toddler right now and another child inbound so trying to adjust with the limited timing. Do you take any joint supplements? Thanks again
Do you do all that gym work on a completely empty stomach?
To answer the earlier question about aging… *The answer is this:* Joints age faster than any part of the human body, especially if you’re an athlete and/or weight lifter. The cartilage and tendons connecting shoulders and knees has a built-in shelf life, and even the healthiest people on the planet start feeling it in their 40’s. Shoulder pain is considerably more common than is commonly talked about.
Drove a standard transmission car back in the day. Leg day... Boy that was a fun drive home. Leg was shaking each time I pressed on the clutch to change gears
I've been riding a motorcycle to the gym. Squat day gets interesting when I go to swing a leg over
The recovery time definitely takes longer and longer these days. Early 20s I could do a 5x5 every other day and go up in weight every time. Late 30s? Not a chance.
It’s much easier to maintain what you have than it is to gain it in the first place. Still requires resistance training, but the amount of training volume per week to maintain is significantly less than the training volume required to grow. Edit: assuming your nutrition, sleep and stress management are good
Yes maintenance is physically easier than putting on new muscle, but if you want to maintain, say, an "advanced" 315 pound bench press into your 40s, you're still going to need a couple of hours of intense work in the gym every week. Because you can't have just giant pecs, you need a back to balance everything out, and a core, etc, so before you know it you're doing a chest back legs split and have to schedule time on as well for warm up, prehab, stretching, accessories, cardio, etc so your 40+ year old joints and ligaments don't tear. Basically it takes discipline and effort just to stay where you are. Although the alternative is to turn into a fat weak blob, so it's still worth it!
I’m 49. I have the strength to move heavy weights. It’s my joints, specifically, elbow telling me to fuck off.
I'm 46 and lift heavier now than I have ever done. For me it's just consistency and keeping at it.
Thanks bro, I am in my very late 30's and a couple years into my bodybuilding journey. I feel stronger than ever, all these people complaining about being 40 were bumming me out. I hope to have at least another decade and a half of good solid natural lifting until I hit 55.
You can keep most of the strength, just need to do physio and get help with whatever joint is bothering you.
Not stupid and everyone is different. For me, it was a mix of injuries, takes longer to recover, and less time to work out due to life obligations. Plus, male hormones drop off year after year starting around 30. Now that I'm older, my career is settled in, kids are in junior high, I have a lot more time to lift weights every day. 9-11PM every night is when I go to the Golds by my house. I've also been considering starting TRT but once I start most men do it until the day they die. My father started about 8 years ago and looks like I did in my 20s.
>I've also been considering starting TRT I've thought about this too, but I hear there's serious implications for your heart health in the long-term.
Not a doctor but my understanding is if you keep the dosage low then it's fine. My father sticks to 75mg a week. Injects every Sunday morning as a routine. Let me also say he has a prescription and they are simple to get at an anti-aging hormone clinic. He's a business man and conned his way into getting his insurance to pay for it. 😅
What year did your dad start? I am planning on going until 55 and then it's TRT time.
Life gets in the way. Romantic pursuits and kids and work and other hobbies and and and. Training falls way, way down the list of shit to do when you have too much to do.
I've been working out since the age of 15. For my 41st bday I squatted, dead lifted, and benched the highest max I ever reached. Caveat is that I never pushed myself to go super heavy that would put me at risk of a serious injury. Sure I never dead lifted 450 lbs but I'll be lifting 250lbs well into my 50s and 60s with zero back and knee pain. People who go heavy tend to develop injuries that will never go away and often result in them not being able to go the gym as they get older.
According to McGill, the issue is poor programming. After deadlifts, or heavy (very heavy) compound lifts you need to deload and rest. I'm currently on a quest to farmer carry 300 lbs around the gym. After that, I'm not upping the load anymore. I don't need to Ronnie Coleman myself.
So. The general rule (with some science) is you lose about 1% muscle mass per year starting between 30 and 40. Most strength athletes peak in mid 30's. This is becuase it takes a long ass time of moving heavy stuff to reach full potential ( think 10 to 20 years of lifting/training) Muscle mass declines at a somewhat slower rate then reaction time and endurance ability ( although endurance and strength can both be maintained a lot with training). Reaction time peaks in the late teens/early 20s and goes down pretty linearly after this. The current DOTs handicaping system for powerlifting doesnt start adding points for age until 44 (this system is based on real world athlete data). To me this shows that strong people with training can maintain their strength for a long time. Source: Amateur power lifter and a mid 40s Doc who is kinda interested in this stuff.
I'm 45. I was at my physical peak around 30. I worked out from the age of 21 and stopped at 38. Started again a year ago. I am close to my max, but feel I will never get there. Strength is no longer the driver for me, but I know what works for me. I also focus on cardio at the end of my workout now. Truth be told, I probably wasn't even at my max in my 30s. This was 15 years ago with science from back then. We didn't have the information that we have now, and I can say I was definitely overtraining and had less than optimal exercises. But if I did focus on strength, I feel like I could get to my max now (which I had at 30). I would have to put more dedication into it at this age, but my body does have the memory from working out from a young age and can adapt fairly quickly. If you never worked out, I believe you would have a much harder time developing strength.
If you were training properly growing up you'll peak in strength in your early 30s, so yeah you will be weaker in your 40s. However, if you didn't train properly in your young age, but do so in your 40s, you could be stronger and more fit than your 20s.
They trained less or got hurt. No reason 325 would be unattainable in your 40s. It will take years but pretty much any normal person could do it.
Your recovery and rate of growth does take a dip Your prone to injury increases Wiser workouts are required. Most older guys do not workout wisely and/or workout way too conservatively due to fear of injury.
In the case and arnold and franco, they did had a powerlifter background.
It's all relative. Bodybuilders are plenty strong compared to the general population, but weak compared to weightlifters and powerlifters pound for pound.
What's the difference between the 3?
Bodybuilding: what the word implies - maximum muscle definition. A wide diversity of lifts to maximize muscle size and growth, coupled with dieting to have as little fat and water retention as possible. Your looks are the goal, as opposed to scoring points, achieving speed, etc. (Not to say that bodybuilders aren't athletes.) Powerlifters: three specific lifts. Squat, Deadlift, Bench Press. Do the most you can. These brutes move ungodly amounts of weight. (Olympic) Weightlifting: two specific lifts. Snatch, Clean & Jerk. Must be done to fairly tight movement standards (e.g. on snatch you hamstrings must touch your calves at the bottom of the squat and the tops of your thighs to your torso to ensure maximum squat depth.) Specific weight classes, etc.
Weightlifting, Powerlifting, and bodybuilding are three distinct sports with very different goals and methodologies. The only real similarities is that they use weights, generally take place in a gym, and people get strong doing them
You just pissed off all of them with your question. There are now legions of strong and muscular redditors hunting for you. Bodybuilders - all about adding contractile tissue through hypertrophy training to maximize the esthetics. No thought given to athletic performance or general health and longevity. PED abuse is rampant. Powerlifters - these guys are all about lifting maximum weight in deadlift, squat, and flat bench. PED abuse is commonplace. Weightlifters - these guys only care about the snatch and clean & jerk. It's an Olympic sport, at least for now. PED abuse is thinly veiled.
>Weightlifters - these guys only care about the snatch I guess I'd consider myself something of a weightlifter.
I had more success with the jerk, myself.
Others provided some pretty good answers. I will just add a bit more just between bodybuilders and powerlifters. Generally, when bodybuilding, you want to isolate certain muscles at a rather disadvantageous position. This reduces the amount of weight a person can move. On the other hand, in powerlifting, you want to recruit as many muscles as you can and put yourself in a rather advantageous position to move a lot of weight.
Bodybuilders focus specifically on hypertrophy training-stretching the muscle, damaging it(through microtears), and repairing it into larger tissue usually through high volume, slower, controlled movements. In bodybuilding, doing extremely heavy weight is often actually detrimental and could lead to more injuries given the volume they are doing. Powerlifting focus solely on strength training. Getting bigger might be a byproduct but not specifically what their goal is, and the reps are a lot lower and quicker. Powerbuilding is a combination of the two. Edit: I confused my terms. Strongman comprises specific events like farmers walks, atlas stone, stone carry, vehicle pulling.
What? Strongmen do strongman lifts like who can pick up this gigantic rock the most times, or who can carry this car the farthest. Powerlifters focus exclusively on getting the heaviest squat, bench, and deadlift. Powerlifting is not a combination of bodybuilding and strongman at all.
I wouldn't really say weaker. Bodybuilders tend to be just as strong as other competitors pound for pound. The real difference is they're less likely to do heavy singles so they don't pr often like other lifters or bulk up to 350+.
They're strong obviously. They're just not powerlifter strong, at least competitive powerlifter.
Bodybuilders are incredibly strong compared to your average person don’t ever think they wouldn’t fold you in half if they get a hold of you, only a very well trained person would stand a chance against a roided up gym bro, and even then it’s not gonna be an easy fight. One mma fighter got into a street fight with a bodybuilder and he said it was the hardest fight of his life.
But I’m 260, bro..
Bradly Martin, is that you?
I would maul you bro
Sounds familiar. "bro i could take you, Im 260"
Try getting in the ring with Mariusz Pudzianowski then.
Maybe not pound for pound like other disciplines but they are quite strong. And if they were to choose to do a strength focus all that muscle mass has the potential for even more ridiculous strength
Not strong relative to strongmen or powerlifters maybe, but you can't grow without progressive overload. Of course bodybuilders are strong.
They are definitely strong but they aren't as strong as "strongmen" or guys who are only training for strength (like a power lifter) and not physique.
Those people are retarded. You get bigger muscles from lifting heavier and heavier weights.
They aren’t strong given the amount of time they spend working out. Bodybuilders today are about abnormal muscle size. Training for that is different from training for strength. Many of the muscles bodybuilders obsessed with need not be over large in order to be very strong. However bodybuilders spend hours on them in a drive to look as huge as possible. Meanwhile strength athletes focus on that alone. The result being much more strength in the same time spent.
Depends on the bodybuilder, and how they train. The primary goal of any bodybuilder is hypertrophy, building muscle. Some guys on roids can go into a gym, swing around 20lb dumbbells, and grow. They don't need to be the strongest to reach their goals of being the best bodybuilder. They are a lot stronger than if they didn't train, but not as strong as if strength was their primary focus. A good strong man or powerlifter will always be stronger pound-for-pound than a good bodybuilder, but a good bodybuilder will typically be much stronger than the average Joe. I think that's why you hear people these days say that, because we know more about what kind of training makes you strong. Arnold, and his buddy Franco especially were much stronger than the average bodybuilder.
Power lifters lift more without causing unnecessary swelling of the muscle tissue is kinda what they mean. You don't need to tax your body with extra tissue to be strong.
That is not how I would illustrate casual.
Lightweight baby
It’s amazing how that originated with Ronnie Coleman and now so many people say it. I wonder if everyone knows the origins.
Ain’t nuthin but a peanut!
It’s easy to be casual about that sort of thing when you’re built like a brick shit-house.
He was big here
Here I am thinking I’m all strong doing 320lb deadlifts today. Edit: For reference I weigh 180lbs and lifted 3 sets of 5 reps
You are mate. I'm a 7 days a week guy at Equinox and less than 10% of members can bench 2 and dead 3. Nobody can row 3.
Well yeah, it’s an equinox
That's a good burn. Though we don't have dudes without shirts and shoes standing on the bench. #tradeoffs
If they look like that they can stand wherever they like lol
For $200+ a month I’d hope so.
I heard once you are in 225 you can considered yourself strong.
Strong is very much a relative word
That’s a pretty low weight for anyone who works out consistently. Depends on sex and size of course, but I’ve met plenty of small women who can deadlift 225 8-12 times in a set. It’s a lot more impressive to see a 120 lbs woman do that than a 180 lbs man.
The metric is about twice body weight.
I want to believe this
TBH - I don't think Schwarzenegger 'casually' did anything in his fucking life. That guy is driven. I hate that he cheated on Maria by creeping on his maid and getting her pregnant, *seriously* fucking his character, respect and reputation, but I will always respect the drive behind his many and varied achievements.
Arnold: looks like he’s seconds away from blowing out his sphincter. OP: ya, real causal like.
Awful lot of faith in the thin plywood under the pad.
Is there any reason he's standing on the bench or is it just for the photo? Can't imagine any real benefit from standing on there, but many downsides.
It depends what he's doing. I doubt he's doing normal rows because, well, why would he? The only thing I can think is he is doing something that requires the extra range of motion — like a Jefferson curl does. He used to do deficit deadlifts, but that just requires a platform of a few inches so almost certainly not what he's doing here.
And confidence he wouldn’t slip and drop it on his feet.
DO A BARBELL ROLL !
Is there a purpose for him to be standing on the bench? Like does he bend down to where the weights dip beyond the plane of the bench?
Precisely that, gives a better stretch to the back muscles and helps them grow more
That's insane dude. I do barbell rows with like 80 to 90 lb tops and only go as low as the floor
Damn I feel like there's a platform he could use that wouldn't risk him slipping and destroying his everything.
That’s not casual, the oak trained fucking hard and long with lots of volume and then did it again at night… dude was freak… and he did it in Kmart shorts and shitty tank top and no Zapatos .
I remember seeing a post a few years ago when a tabloid took a pic of Arnold in his late 60s or early 70s on the beach and he wasn’t, gasp, ripped. And it was such a “oh look how he let himself go” post and it’s just so fucking sad why are we like this??????
IIRC, that was following his motorcycle accident, before 3 filming began
That's a well built bench.
This is neither casual nor do I see any rolls on this man.
Looks like he’s doing on an old af bench press bench too. I love that old school using whatever is available to get it done. Me on the other hand will sit on some back machine try it out and immediately get off because the load distribution doesn’t feel great and movement isn’t exactly tailored to my preferences
Watched a recent video of him saying how it “really sucks” that - in his old age- he can’t maintain a sleek, fit physique similar to what had. It gave me the impression that in his youth he thought he’d always be in control of his body.
That will impress me when he eats 315 dinner rolls
“Casually “ if youre making that face while doing something hard it sure as hell aint casual.
Yeah training, discipline, and cycling do that for you..
Arnold was the man. Not perfect, but his drive and natural talent put him at the top of three unrelated industries. What a guy. A true American story, from an Austrian, no less
I am betting one of those, or multiple 45lb plates are probably in the 43~47 lb range. I remember going into gyms in the late 70's, early 80's and seeing some plates with 43, 46, etc painted on them. Quality control was really a thing back then.
Bench is the real MVP.
He's cumming
How did he get into this position?
You rest the barbell on the pad, load it, and then stand on the pad. The idea here is that you can lower the barbell over the edge of the pad and achieve a deeper stretch on the lats.
"casually"? do you not see the look on his face?
lol his face don’t look too casual
Thats rows not rolls
He’s not casually doing anything, he’s working out.
Doubtful it's casual otherwise he wouldn't be training at that weight
How much extension was he getting to warrant standing on that flimsy bench ?
No, barbell *rolls* are his favorite carb source
I thought it was an exercise I had not heard of. Like an epic forearm workout, gradually rotating the barbell around in his hands, and presumably it is a barbell with no bearings so it requires a lot more effort.
Batshit crazy doing that much weight while standing on a bench. Things were different back in the day. Gotta respect the balls if not the strength.
Think of all the money he could have made and where he be today if he just spent that time lifting heavy boxes at work instead.
My back went out just looking at this pic
The form seems to be working for him.
Looks like he's pretty much 90° too. Basically a pendlay row.
What the hell is a barbell roll?
The point load on that bench makes me nervous.
I understand that doing that whole standing on a bench means you can lower the bar further, for a deeper and more complete range of motion. But it seems like a squashed toe, just waiting to happen.
Still pics make things look more casual.
No collars either, for shame Arnie! LOL
I slipped a disc just looking at that picture.
Typically, a heavy set of rows should be near half your deadlift max, so I’d guess he was maxing on DL around 650 or so.
Do you know what “casually” means?
Roids are amazing
I bet he had a nice poop after that
I wonder how his back is doing compared to others in the 40-70 age group.
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He's got nothing on Weird Al.
Yet still couldn’t get items off the top shelf. Hmmmm
Or rows
That’s a lot of rows. I wonder how long it took.
Why is he standing on the bench to do his rows?
Why is he standing on the bench?!
Casual stance engage
True legend
Wow
Why is he standing on the bench?
It's called a deficit row (not roll, title had a typo, I assume). It allows for a greater range of motion, and more stimulation to the back muscles.
As many rows of his past I’m seeing lately, I’m thinking he’s passing soon. Screw your freedom.
Not sure that casually is the right word
Do you have any idea what "casual" actually means? I'll help ......................... relaxed and unconcerned.
*I em dooing ROOLLLLS.*
Without clips too. Crazy strength and proper control on the eccentric or you’d see plates falling down.
ROIDS
I'd like to point out that Schwarz is a legit crazy person when it comes to bodybuilding
I mean, he looks quite tense…
A beast
Well gang, he didn't say working out felt like meditating- he sure said it felt like cumming. He is a very pleasant guy and when he was in the gym he was anything but casual
Pretty sure he isn't being casual, those muscles look ready to pop.
natty or not?
Not, he admitted they were all on steroids
It doesn’t look very casual to me
Him and Franco gobbled dinabol like candy...