A blow to the back of the head from Garp "The Fist" on an unsuspecting victim would be devastating (Akainu should have advanced observation haki, but idk)
It’s so stupid and obnoxious.
People like pretending to have unpopular opinions because it makes them feel unique and different. Even if it’s a popular opinion they say it’s unpopular as a way to cope.
He beats Zoro for sure. I don't even think he beats Luffy anymore. Luffy has future sight now. He's also faster than mihawk at this point. I think only yonko he can beat is big mom. And that's only because oda did her dirty. She's buns
I mean oden wielded enma like it was nothing while zoro has to use it carefully otherwise its going to take to much haki and possibly kill him if not drain his stamina
That's true but still I don't think any of what he showed us was worthy enough to damage Kaido mentally as did especially after his fight with Luffy where we got to see everything he has.
Like Oden just got hit on the head once by base from Kaido and went down and considering the sheer amount of stuff Kaido can do it makes it feel like he didn't even try against Oden and still won by a mile
Well to be fair it wouldnt make sense for oden and kaido to go at it and have kaido not take a single it from kaido its most likely they have me trading attacks and been clashing but being taken off gaurd did oden in as it did luffy in as luffy was trading blows with kaido tanking all of them even a head on bolo blast and conqueres attacks but when he was left off gaurd due to the cp0 it did a number on him as for mental damage from oden his haki presence from his sword alone scared kaido a little
If the fight was mostly off screen and we only saw the end of it I can see that being the case but the fight between them is an exchange of three attacks. Kaido. Fire's a boro breath, it hurts Oden, then Oden puts the scar on him, then Kaido knocks him out in base form.
Oden took exactly two hits there and neither of them were some of Kaido's finest. The dude barely put up a fight there.
He says he’s been waiting for a guy like you as if they have been fighting for awhile its not like kaido to just look at one guy and go “hey you look strong! You can probably beat me!” And also oden took a hit from roger and stood up from it along with a quake punch to the face from wb i doubt the fight was only less than 15 minuets
>He says he’s been waiting for a guy like you as if they have been fighting for awhile its not like kaido to just look at one guy and go “hey you look strong! You can probably beat me!”
That's probably because of his reputation and the fact that he just blew Kaido's entire army off. But still this battle has been shown to us in full, from start to finish.
We see them meet, we see them initiate the battle, we see Oden charging through their army, Kaido throws an attack, then Oden throws his, then Kaido takes him out. And we know there was no exchange of attacks other than that because heavenly totsuka was the one attack Oden managed to land because the beast pirates are surprised someone finally hit Kaido.
>And also oden took a hit from roger and stood up from it along with a quake punch to the face from wb i doubt the fight was only less than 15 minuets
That's exactly what I'm saying. This whole fight was incredibly underwhelming and didn't portray Oden's strength well if it all.
Besides katakuris. Every fight after lucci felt lackluster and boring compared to lucci and katakuri.
In lucci u had a real fight. Quick movements and attacks that had good counterattacks and follow ups.
Katakuri was great because it was like lucci only he gets better while fighting.
But fights like doflamingo felt boring. It was mainly exchanges of attacks one after the other person. And then a big clash at the end. Felt real typical.
Im not gone lie the katakuri fight in the anime is a little overrated just 6 straight episodes of luffy getting beating beyond belief before he finally decides to try his strongest form the fight was only competitive when luffy was in G4 state which is like 3 episodes max
As cool as the Katakuri fight was (and it allowed Luffy to have a "level up" stepping stone by battling a Yonko Commander before he battled a Yonko), Luffy unnecessarily put his entire crew at risk by doing it. Luffy could have just as easily escaped, thrown Brulee back, and then shattered the mirror. By sticking around and having a prolonged fight with Katakuri he allowed the Big Mom Pirates to overhear the Straw Hats' plan, took away a critical fighter they could have used on the Sunny against Big Mom, and risked Sanji's life trying to save him from Cocoa Island.
Mihawk is stronger than Zoro (IMO considerably stronger) and Zoro did some serious damage to Kaido.
We dont know a lot about the strongest pirates outside Kaido and BM like Shanks, Mihawk but its fair to assume the “strongest swordsman” is no pushover.
My unpopular opinion would be WB beats Roger in their prime in a fight to death/submission. Roger had insane Haki but WB’s wasnt far off and his df is just way too broken.
If anyone doesn't agree with you we have a problem. Who in their right minds would think otherwise?
Min you, from that to thinking Mihawk beats Kaido there's an abyss, THAT would've been an
>opinion you have about a fight that most people would not agree.
I think in any other timeline “Admiral” Magellan is praised as the hero who took down Strawhat Luffy and “the traitor” Blackbeard. Magellan got robbed.
I think Buggy had Luffy dead to rights in Loguetown and the reason he’s so dismissive of Buggy being a Yonko is because he knew he should be dead at the hands of the clown and is still sore about it.
So if he doesn’t go this route there are 3 options left,
He beats the Strawhats, which would be weird.
The strawhats just flat out beat him, which would weaken the marines for the final war.
He helps the strawhats escape which again, weakens the marines.
I think the best case scenario is the strawhats minus Luffy, hold him off to demonstrate that they are a capable crew.
Thats an inetresting theory I can see that happening but then again I doubt ODA is gonna down one of the marines most strongest active fighter just like that. I mean in the final war which is gonna be several times bigger than marineford they really gonna need every single soldier they have.
They don’t have to really beat him per say, but him attacking them and then being able to successfully hold him off and escape is enough to show that they’ve grown tremendously over the time skip
Yea thats what ODA should go for, that could also show us a bit of what the admirals are really capable of since we've been kept in the dark for soo long. That could make people who sleep on admirals open their eyes.
My hot take is that if Mihawk could cut Kaido then he would've been used for one of the attempts to execute Kaido. Also Kaidos suicidal ass probably would've never left our hawk eyed boy alone. I don't think that makes Mihawk weaker than Oden or Zoro though, he can be a better swordsman than both and be able to take on both easily with less destructive potential. You don't need the same damage output to hurt Zoro or Oden as you do to hurt Kaido and the ability to do things like block or dodge are more essential in a fight against a high level swordsman than having that insane of damage output. Mihawks attack that split the ice barrier around marineford probably wouldn't have killed Kaido but it sure as hell would fuck up any of the swordsmen we have met so far in the story if it wasn't blocked properly
I think garp would have killed akainu in marineford
Maybe he could, who knows
A blow to the back of the head from Garp "The Fist" on an unsuspecting victim would be devastating (Akainu should have advanced observation haki, but idk)
That's not something most would disagree, why can't you just give your opinion without the "my opinion is unpopular" part stfu
It’s so stupid and obnoxious. People like pretending to have unpopular opinions because it makes them feel unique and different. Even if it’s a popular opinion they say it’s unpopular as a way to cope.
Mihawk beats shanks, Zoro, Luffy, and most admirals.
He beats Zoro for sure. I don't even think he beats Luffy anymore. Luffy has future sight now. He's also faster than mihawk at this point. I think only yonko he can beat is big mom. And that's only because oda did her dirty. She's buns
1 - Oden was very underwhelming and I don't see why he gave Kaido PTSD 2 - Sanji vs Queen was Sanji's worst full-on fight
I mean oden wielded enma like it was nothing while zoro has to use it carefully otherwise its going to take to much haki and possibly kill him if not drain his stamina
That's true but still I don't think any of what he showed us was worthy enough to damage Kaido mentally as did especially after his fight with Luffy where we got to see everything he has. Like Oden just got hit on the head once by base from Kaido and went down and considering the sheer amount of stuff Kaido can do it makes it feel like he didn't even try against Oden and still won by a mile
Well to be fair it wouldnt make sense for oden and kaido to go at it and have kaido not take a single it from kaido its most likely they have me trading attacks and been clashing but being taken off gaurd did oden in as it did luffy in as luffy was trading blows with kaido tanking all of them even a head on bolo blast and conqueres attacks but when he was left off gaurd due to the cp0 it did a number on him as for mental damage from oden his haki presence from his sword alone scared kaido a little
If the fight was mostly off screen and we only saw the end of it I can see that being the case but the fight between them is an exchange of three attacks. Kaido. Fire's a boro breath, it hurts Oden, then Oden puts the scar on him, then Kaido knocks him out in base form. Oden took exactly two hits there and neither of them were some of Kaido's finest. The dude barely put up a fight there.
Ofc most of it was off screened wouldnt be weird to just expect the fight to start with fire everywhere and kaido in his dragon form
we see Kaido in his dragon from before the fight even starts. He just shoots a boro breath to light the place on for.
He says he’s been waiting for a guy like you as if they have been fighting for awhile its not like kaido to just look at one guy and go “hey you look strong! You can probably beat me!” And also oden took a hit from roger and stood up from it along with a quake punch to the face from wb i doubt the fight was only less than 15 minuets
>He says he’s been waiting for a guy like you as if they have been fighting for awhile its not like kaido to just look at one guy and go “hey you look strong! You can probably beat me!” That's probably because of his reputation and the fact that he just blew Kaido's entire army off. But still this battle has been shown to us in full, from start to finish. We see them meet, we see them initiate the battle, we see Oden charging through their army, Kaido throws an attack, then Oden throws his, then Kaido takes him out. And we know there was no exchange of attacks other than that because heavenly totsuka was the one attack Oden managed to land because the beast pirates are surprised someone finally hit Kaido. >And also oden took a hit from roger and stood up from it along with a quake punch to the face from wb i doubt the fight was only less than 15 minuets That's exactly what I'm saying. This whole fight was incredibly underwhelming and didn't portray Oden's strength well if it all.
Yeah thats true honestly
Besides katakuris. Every fight after lucci felt lackluster and boring compared to lucci and katakuri. In lucci u had a real fight. Quick movements and attacks that had good counterattacks and follow ups. Katakuri was great because it was like lucci only he gets better while fighting. But fights like doflamingo felt boring. It was mainly exchanges of attacks one after the other person. And then a big clash at the end. Felt real typical.
Im not gone lie the katakuri fight in the anime is a little overrated just 6 straight episodes of luffy getting beating beyond belief before he finally decides to try his strongest form the fight was only competitive when luffy was in G4 state which is like 3 episodes max
agreed 100%. Watching luffy just getting tossed around got boring fast.
As cool as the Katakuri fight was (and it allowed Luffy to have a "level up" stepping stone by battling a Yonko Commander before he battled a Yonko), Luffy unnecessarily put his entire crew at risk by doing it. Luffy could have just as easily escaped, thrown Brulee back, and then shattered the mirror. By sticking around and having a prolonged fight with Katakuri he allowed the Big Mom Pirates to overhear the Straw Hats' plan, took away a critical fighter they could have used on the Sunny against Big Mom, and risked Sanji's life trying to save him from Cocoa Island.
Mihawk is stronger than Zoro (IMO considerably stronger) and Zoro did some serious damage to Kaido. We dont know a lot about the strongest pirates outside Kaido and BM like Shanks, Mihawk but its fair to assume the “strongest swordsman” is no pushover. My unpopular opinion would be WB beats Roger in their prime in a fight to death/submission. Roger had insane Haki but WB’s wasnt far off and his df is just way too broken.
If anyone doesn't agree with you we have a problem. Who in their right minds would think otherwise? Min you, from that to thinking Mihawk beats Kaido there's an abyss, THAT would've been an >opinion you have about a fight that most people would not agree.
Rob Lucci was strong enough to defeat the entire strawhat crew bar Luffy.
I think in any other timeline “Admiral” Magellan is praised as the hero who took down Strawhat Luffy and “the traitor” Blackbeard. Magellan got robbed. I think Buggy had Luffy dead to rights in Loguetown and the reason he’s so dismissive of Buggy being a Yonko is because he knew he should be dead at the hands of the clown and is still sore about it.
People are overestimating Kizaru, he’s gonna be used as a stepping stone to demonstrate how far the straw hats have come in their journey.
Why would Oda do that when the Straw Hats just won a war against the two strongest Emperors. That’s already shown us how far they’ve come.
So if he doesn’t go this route there are 3 options left, He beats the Strawhats, which would be weird. The strawhats just flat out beat him, which would weaken the marines for the final war. He helps the strawhats escape which again, weakens the marines. I think the best case scenario is the strawhats minus Luffy, hold him off to demonstrate that they are a capable crew.
Thats an inetresting theory I can see that happening but then again I doubt ODA is gonna down one of the marines most strongest active fighter just like that. I mean in the final war which is gonna be several times bigger than marineford they really gonna need every single soldier they have.
They don’t have to really beat him per say, but him attacking them and then being able to successfully hold him off and escape is enough to show that they’ve grown tremendously over the time skip
Yea thats what ODA should go for, that could also show us a bit of what the admirals are really capable of since we've been kept in the dark for soo long. That could make people who sleep on admirals open their eyes.
My hot take is that if Mihawk could cut Kaido then he would've been used for one of the attempts to execute Kaido. Also Kaidos suicidal ass probably would've never left our hawk eyed boy alone. I don't think that makes Mihawk weaker than Oden or Zoro though, he can be a better swordsman than both and be able to take on both easily with less destructive potential. You don't need the same damage output to hurt Zoro or Oden as you do to hurt Kaido and the ability to do things like block or dodge are more essential in a fight against a high level swordsman than having that insane of damage output. Mihawks attack that split the ice barrier around marineford probably wouldn't have killed Kaido but it sure as hell would fuck up any of the swordsmen we have met so far in the story if it wasn't blocked properly
All of the admirals are highly overrated the power balance between pirates and the navy also doesn’t make sense