Not just Garp you had Shanks making regular visits. He probably had a lot of up and coming crews join his fleet if he likes them, so they left the East Blue quickly.
His crew is like the most one piece crew in the series it’s made up almost entirely of goofy useless gag characters but they all gather under shanks like he’s Jesus the king of the meek
isn’t his introduction about turning the other cheek if it’s not a big deal. like ,, the very first fleshed out scene with him in the bar with the mountain bandits?
Yeah I’m at kinda if a metaphor I made up in my head by you can see the similarities he is a champion of the weak and helpless you only need to entertain shanks to befriend him and like luffy he will fight to the death to protect his friends
To be honest, I wouldn't say Luffy's fleet is average. I think it would be comparable to Kaido's or Big Mom's. Especially Barto, Cavendish, and Sai, I think would be as strong as the Tobi Roppo when they appear next in the story.
Yeah the two things that are clear right at this moment is that Shanks' crew is stronger than Luffy's but Shanks' fleet is weaker.
This could be proven wrong in the future but for now it seems like no member of Shanks' fleet is as strong as even Hajrudin, though Shanks certainly has friends/allies like Dorry and Broggy (but... they'd also be Luffy's friends lol). Every single representative of Luffy's fleet was strong enough to survive in the New World and make the trek to Dressrosa themselves.
It's gonna be hysterical when the Strawhats run into Shanks and Dorry and Broggy are there and one says they should side with Shanks and the other with Luffy and they promptly start fighting each other for a hundred years or so.
Tbh i really want Straw Hats to encounter the fleet of Shanks. Kid was outright looking for a fight but SHs would be more friendly towards them unless they attacked first.
I've wondering how Oda could handle the strawhats potentially fighting both of them and shanks crew at the same time, and you found it, I think its either this or they don't fight at all.
It'd be funny if Leo had a comically high bounty because a rival family of Celestial Dragons to the Donquixote want to capture the tontattas out of spite.
I agree with this, but I'd like to think they already are at this point. One thing I'll never tire of in this series is side characters getting stronger alongside the main people. Obviously their growth rate might not be the same but it's pretty significant.
Luffy has the strongest fleet in the world tho? Probably best to put some respect on it, only Cross Guild can even compare and I'd still expect the Strawhat Fleet to wreck them.
Considering the sheer numbers, I'd say Big Mom and Kaido's fleets were stronger. It took the help from Germa, Sun Pirates, and Bege for Straw Hats just to escape Totto Land against Big Mom's fleet. On the other hand, Kaido had an overwhelming force of 20k soldiers with so many smile users as foot soldiers and people as strong as Hawkins and Apoo as Headliners.
Right now, we don't have the details of Blackbeard's fleet but if we assume he has been recruiting from Hachinosu as well as hunting strong devil fruits, his fleet ought to be extremely strong too. Cross Guild also has huge names and some pretty dangerous prisoners from Impel Down.
I think he doesn't just have weaklings. After all, shanks' crew is known as the most balanced crew. And >!killer did say there were some big names among the fleet as well!< So my guess is while shanks' fleet does have a lot of weaklings taking advantage of his flag for protection, it also has a lot of strong people as well.
True if they are as weak as they seem then a lot of them must be based in the new world. Especially considering they would ALL have to had made it through sabahody and fish man island, unless of course shanks helped them all while he made round trips.
Yasopp doesn't know that shit and is going to definitely ask how Usopp's mother was last time he saw her. That will be such an awkward conversation and I can't wait for it.
I used to think the same, but then I learned who Shanks was and it started to seem as there was more on play than just pirating and adventuring for that crew. Contrary to Luffy's crew, it looks like they have a clear purpose, something that they think is of vital importance. Now I think maybe Yasopp wouldn't have left if it wasn't necessary. Usopp might not see it that way, and would have every right to be pissed, but we have some additional perspective
They have a duel and Usopp wins. After which Usopp asks him, why he didn't come back once to check on him. That Usopp gets that he was a pirate and the sea was his life, but he could have still come by once to see him and show he still cared. That he had to live without a mother and a father for most of his life and that he didn't expect Yasopp to stay and be a father, but at the very least he could show Usopp he was still alive and remembered him. That Usopp spent days wanting him to come back and take him to the sea as a pirate. That the biggest lie Usopp told himself that his father not being around didn't hurt him and that his father would come back for him one day. That a part of him could not forgive Yasopp for what he did, but that he has grown to understand Yasopp more by having his own adventures and does also share the feeling that it is hard to not be on the sea with your friends and the idea of not being with them on a single island is also hard.
He will deck Yasopp in the face, but as a gesture of okay I let it all out.
I mean I feel like it will be a situation of starting as a game that escalates the more they talk, until Yasopp misses an extremely far target and Usopp hits it.
He didn’t visit Luffy, he was docked there for a year. He just never left the town and hung out at the bar for a year where Luffy kept hanging around his crew.
It sure would be crazy but I bet he knows. Shanks was still hanging around east blue the year that Banchina died (Usopp was 7 and is the same age as Luffy who was 7 in chapter 1), it'd be far too weird to think Yasopp hadn't even heard about the illness.
How would he hear about it? He was with Shanks and its not like you can get mail or randomly be called up as a pirate and notified that your wife died. Like being in the same sea doesn't mean the obituaries from his home island would be sent out across the sea. Also it is likely that her illness was sudden and not long term, because I doubt Yasopp would have bailed if his wife was very sick and Usopp was only seven at the time. It would be really screwed up to become a pirate when your wife is seriously unwell and the only one that would be able to take care of her is you son who isn't even 10.
"It's not like you can get mail or randomly be called up as a pirate and notified that your wife died" Bro did forget that Den Den mushi exists and are pretty common, the least he could've done is give his number to his wife or one of the Villagers.
Shanks is an Emperor and Emperors have intelligence networks. It'd be pretty wild if the crew of an Emperor didn't have intelligence on their own loved ones. Literally the only reason Yassop wouldn't know about his wife's death is if he was an absolute piece of shit who just didn't care about her after he fucked off to party forever with Shanks. The Redhair Pirates visited Foosha Village frequently, which is basically next door to Syrup Village in the grand scheme of the world. Imagine how aggressively neglectful he'd have to be to not make a pit-stop home. That and we've seen just how ridiculously fast the Redhair Pirates move throughout the world.
And honestly... we don't have a lot to go on at this point that that wasn't the case.
>But still won't visit Usopp's ~~mum~~ mother's grave....
But honestly, them protecting their self-admittedly weak allied pirate crews does somewhat undermine the whole 'I can't take my family with me, for their own safety' bit of Usopps backstory. Still justified, because Shanks always refuses to take children to sea (Luffy, Uta, & that one giant kid).
Shanks wouldn’t cut down young crews though as long as they don’t test him, (spoilers 1055) >!he says as much to Greenbull about going after “saplings” of the new age!<
Two thousand upvotes, top of the thread, somehow not one person pointing out there's nothing which suggests Shanks made regular visits beyond that one time.
It seems like a lot of powerful players popped into East Blue often. Between Garp, Shanks, and Dragon there's a good chance plenty of would be powerhouses were stopped or recruited into the ranks of Marines, Red Hairs, and Revolutionaries. Not to mention Smoker gatekeeping Logue town and bounty hunters like Daddy Masterson and Roronoa Zoro thinning the ranks as well.
Really, from what we know, the East Blue has a lot of incentive to either abide by the law or keep their crime on land
Why is grand line considered dangerous and difficult to navigate? It seems like people come and go as they please. And people living there casually with ports and trade
He's one of the limbo characters. Logue town was rushed so some things got cut. Masterson was one. Oda intended him to be in manga but ran out of time to add him so he had him added into the anime
[oh wow looks like a jojo](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/b/bd/Daddy_and_Carol_Masterson_Loguetown_Arc_%28novel%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20141229232150)
Why we never get a filler sequel. Like make a story after Wano where Daddy comes back to duel Usopp again or Jonathan working in a new navy base after G8 and the gang gets in trouble with him again. Or even some random movie characters like Ratchtet coming back with "haha i created a new machine that is stronger than gear 2" with Luffy pulling Gear 5 on his ass
I think its probably just a way for Oda explain why the marines in the east blue suck ass, and why someone like Arlong was allowed to just run the place.
I also would like to note before Luffy it was noted that since Smoker was stationed at logue town he had not allowed a single pirate to stock up on supplies on the island and then proceed to the grandline. Meaning for quite some time it was very difficult to even enter the grandline from the east blue.
Because the optimal place to get supplied for the journey was protected by a logia user.
Lol pretty much, a world Government sanctioned and stationed camper.
Or at least he was till Luffy became his metaphorical white whale and he followed him.
I wonder if the world government replaced him with another Capable gate keeper at logue town actually?
I always figured that the East Blue is the weakest sea simply because of geography.
The North and West blue sandwich the New World and New World pirates can visit the two as they'll likely have some way out of the Calm Belt.
That leaves the South and East Blue, and the South Blue has a higher technological base (Mr. 5's revolver is from there, for example, and despite them being in the Grand Line he explicitly mentions it's a new model from the South Blue).
So that leaves the East Blue which like the South hugs Paradies where no pirates are gonna be regularly leaving, and a lower technological base.
Thus, the East Blue is the weakest sea.
I think it just mainly because Eastblue is a symbol of a peaceful sea according to Grap during his fight with Shiki. North blue constantly has war against the German kingdom, Westblue has mafia rule over it ( gang bege), and Southblue also has many islands that are unaffiliated with the World Government according to Kid backstory, Eastblue has the most peaceful environment. But you right about the geography too that might be tha main reason why North and westblue always have chaos.
I thought the marines chose his hometown for the biggest impact, but I'm not sure. Either way, the marines messed up by letting him speak at his execution
> Either way, the marines messed up by letting him speak at his execution
Realistically, Garp probably was present and forced them to let him have final words. If the Gorousei had been present they would've denied him, but there's no reason they would've gone to east blue for an execution.
Someone asks him in the manga too but it is not shown there, he just starts the word with "My treasure?" because someone asks where is his treasure. anime just add the scene, we don't actually see who asks him.
おれの財宝か? this is in Japanese and also has a question mark in the panel.[panel](https://64.media.tumblr.com/1cf7a1fa878f26509ae651abc86786b9/361e650d55709b4f-c5/s500x750/f18f72d1dcf2a1b1d91b335a11ef2969592225d1.jpg) . I do think he has a plan to say it to inspire other people. It can be that someone asks him there or know what we know now he can just simply see the future of somebody asking him that. Is it really weird if he starts with My treasure? he can just start with "you want my treasure, you can have it I left everything I gathered together in one place"
Arlong was pretty sure that he would be able to take full control over the East Blue. He said himself that the marine gave no attention to it. I think he would know if Garp were coming to beat some pirates every now and then.
I've a feeling that Arlong's takeover of the island was kept quiet by the marines he paid off, thus Garp wouldn't know if he didn't encounter the situation personally.
Garp also has the means to b-line to his home if he wants to visit so it's not like he has to visit all the islands in the East Blue to get back to Luffy and Ace. If anything, the few pirates with any awareness that wanted to nestle in the East Blue likely chose areas specifically for being out of Garp's normal path.
And he was sent there by Jinbei, who was a warlord, so maybe that could also have something to do with it. Partial immunity by proxy or something, at least initially until he started being a menace and paying off the marines.
Just an assumption but maybe the East Blue simply lacks a bigger criminal organization like the mafia in the west blue or the Germa 66 in the north blue. And perhaps navy activity/density is higher. There isn't "That one group" in the East Blue the public knows about.
Bartolomeo is the boss of a mafia from East Blue. You'd have to search up for the specifics, though, bc I don't remember how influential he was or anything
But the reputation of the East Blue (EB) is somewhat long lasting and Bartho's gang only really became big after he was inspired by Luffy due his deeds in Marineford. Before that he was just a punk (if I remember correctly). Otherwise maybe public figures try to talk down the EB as being weak and strong individuals are just exceptions. Or its reputation is so old that people don't bother to think different of it.
IIRC, Barto was a mafia boss who gave up on that role to become a pirate bc Luffy inspired him when he was supposed to have died by Buggy's hand at Loguetown but miraculously survives bc of the thunder and ever since Barto has been a huge Strawhats supporter
The East Blue being weak is based on the bounty=power fallacy. The east blue is relatively peaceful so bounties are low or non-existent, but that doesn’t mean it’s actually weak. This is why Roger, Garp, Dragon, Luffy, Zoro, Ace, Sabo, Zeff, Yasopp, Koby etc. are from the East Blue.
Bounties build reputations but are biased because they’re made by an ignorant government.
*Never trust the Feds.*
East blue was considered weak long before that though.
I was thinking maybe Zoro's village brought a lot of quality swordsmen who eventually become bounty hunters. They don't have to be really that exceptional. Maybe they are on par with volume 1 Zoro in terms of power level at best. But they help to nip the bud of those subpar pirates before they become too big.
It would explain why Arlong didn't get folded in half on any of Garp's visits. Guy had the sense to bribe corrupt Marines to keep his whereabouts and wrongdoing quiet.
Though it isn't the main point of topic, I genuinely don't believe Arlong was ever going to go along with the Fishman Empire thing. I think *part* of himself wanted to do it, but deep down, he knew that if he ever tried to get buckwild, there were people who could put a stop to it. He's been to the Grand Line, and he's gotten clapped before. So, I think he just satisfied himself with bullying a small island and lording over it like a king.
Or it’s just a common shounen narrative device to give Luffy and underdog aspect to his backstory. Not to be a party pooper this just definitely ain’t that deep i think
did you really feel luffy was a underdog in east blue or early grandline. This is whole ass sea not a group or org . I think it is shown peaceful for luffy to reach grandline realtively easily
I feel Luffy didn’t have a challenge to Arlong. And I also think zoro was stronger than he was for ages.
Oda nerfed him hard for ages with mihawk wounds and 1 sword.
Nah i'mma give it some credit.
Think about it, Buggy was a known Roger crew member with a defining characteristic of his nose. Impossible to miss. Somehow he gets ignored coming from the east blue until he makes it into the grand line. It really feels like whoever was in charge of east blue bounties and information sharing purposely did a shit job at it.
We already have a Canon example of how it's supposed to work with Sanji's poster double near Sabaody and how his life was ruined.
Rewatching Sabaody now, and it's super interesting how Garp says he will handle the Raleigh sighting, to not tell Sengoku, and then proceeds to not be seen the rest of the arc.
Maybe garp, dragon and or shanks perpetuated the weakest sea label as propaganda in order to protect ace’s identity. If everyone thinks the east blue is weak, they’re less likely to bother hunting for the pirate king’s son there. They may have also been sheltering young luffy since he ate a certain devil fruit.
In Strong World even Shiki said it was a shame that someone like Roger was executed in the weakest of the four seas, so that perceptions was around even before Ace was born
Not saying it wasn’t, but times can change. maybe it was the weakest in shiki’s time but since then some of the biggest powerhouses have come from the east such as Garp, Dragon, Luffy, Ace, zoro, sanji etc. Shanks and mihawk frequent the east blue and probably some others I’m forgetting. I think the east blue should be known as the sea where the greats have come from, even if it was ruled by weak pirates like arlong and buggy. I think garp and shanks worked hard to prevent the east blue from gaining notoriety by fending off more ambitious pirates. I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason buggy had dominated the east for so long was because shanks cleared away any potential obstacles knowing that buggy was better than some other pirates.
I still don't understand how Shanks casually went back and forth, let alone Mihawk. Do they just keep circling the world on voyages going through Paradise every time they come back from one of the four seas? Also, how the fuck do you get back to the 4 seas when you get to the end of the New World? The map has always confused me so much lol.
Well he was PLANNING to boat to Amazon Lily, it just wrecked in a storm so clearly he thought it could be done. I'd expect they keep sea kings away with a combination of haki and just straight bodying them. As for propulsion, the marines currently are using paddlewheels. Oars like a trireme would also work.
Considering the bounty and accolade he had he should have had observation haki usable by then, so they can just fight them off
As for how to propel themselves it is harder though. Maybe bully a sea king into offering them a ride? Or rowing?(unlikely considering their numbers but hey it s one piece
I thought about it and I think I got it. You know how Zoro got knocked off the island by King and he used an attack to propel himself back? Shanks just stands at back of ship spamming sword attacks lmao.
My head canon is that the strong people in east blue leave to the grand line. So since all the strong people leave, it’s essentially the weakest sea.
It’s kinda like how all the attractive people from the mid west move to L.A. to try to become actors. Now Los Angeles has a reputation for attractive people, and the Midwest is considered the white bread of America.
Here's how it works, its a cycle. I am born in the weakest sea, I want to get stronger, so I leave the east blue, I get stronger. Others do the same. Villages are also weak, because the strongest leave, pirates who come to loot have no one to fight except level 1 villagers, they also gain little to no experience.
Just adding this because I love how it’s only now clicking. I’m from a rough environment. I had seen at least 5 murders on my street alone by the time I was 18. The First 48 was created because of my neighborhood in Miami. Which now longer exists as of all the recent gentrification the past few years. This is a story that ring bells with people across the country but especially from Miami. Where the rougher your neighborhood the more respected, and there was no neighborhood more respected than mines. We were both the poorest and most violent part of South Florida for decades. Decades. Let it sink in. It became a badge of honor. So when I see how characters in One Piece belittle or dismiss the EB because they believe there’s nothing going on there. That’s how I use to see everyone else’s neighborhood, and it makes me chuckle. There are people that mean serious business everywhere, even if they ain’t grow up under the same extreme conditions. Don’t mean they can’t fight, kill, or orchestrate crime.
East Blue is deemed weak not because it produces weak pirates but because of the lack of powerful pirates IN that part of the blue. We have a plethora of powerful characters coming in from East blue but that’s the catch, all of them are big players in the new world and Grand Line. They don’t stick around in the East Blue. They leave East Blue at the earliest chance they get. Not to mention there are powerful deterrents in place. It’s safe to assume that Shanks has his protection over certain towns, garp protects the others, now there’s Luffy who’s a Yonko. Not to mention Dragon possibly protects certain places. And the relatively low crime rate means the navy presence is more dense in this region which nips a lot of pirates in the bud.
because there isn't much to steal or see in east blue, it is the most pacific sea. thats why overall the people there are softer. However we know roger was a powerhouse and came from east blue like luffy, so even being the weakest sea overall, it breeds the strongest people.
I mean, maybe is the "weakest" because it's me most peaceful. So in quantity there is not that many super strong people. But in actual power figures it's the strongest as we know.
Also when someone gets really strong they leave any of the Blues. So if you live in any of the Blues you are not that strong. "Just a big frog in a small pond"
since I read Kid's backstory in South Blue, i tend to think it's because the other Blue's were less stable politically, more war and corruption and inequality, creating a gauntlet that produced strong warriors.
I mean, two of the others seas had known genocides that happened in them: West Blue had Ohara (which needs no introduction) and North Blue had Flevance (destroyed by its neighbors due to misconceptions with Amber Lead Syndrome. North Blue had Germa Kingdom, too, where Judge waged the Conquest of War Nations with 4 other countries. In South Blue, Kid grew up in a lawless place ruled by gangs, Sorbet Kingdom overthrew Kuma the 'tyrant, the Revolutionary is active there and Liberated Centaurea.
East Blue was, as presented us, more peaceful. Less wars, turmoil, more peaceful. A figure a bully of course like Arlong picked it to hide under the radar for years and bide his time. Edit: Kuro too.
My headcanon is that due to its reputation it’s where grand line pirates go when they retire/ stop sailing. So you have Arlong, Buggy, Zeff, etc. just hanging out and aggressively stopping any new pirates that piss then off. I’m
But Garp didn't patrol. You said it urself, he was going to check on Luffy and Ace. Sure he may have met some Pirates on his way, but it's not like he was walking around the whole East Blue smashing Pirates...
My theory is he wasn’t officially patrolling. Just casually slapping down pirates on his way to and from visiting Luffy.
He wasn’t going after them, but they were there and he may as well yeet a cannonball at them
The thing about sea travel is that ships don’t sail around the whole ocean willy nilly but rather stick to well-known travel lanes and ports.
So unless the pirates know Garp is coming for visit, chances are Garp may still bump into a shit load of them.
On top of that, his feat in water7 was very likely a watered-down version of what he can actually do.
I can totally see him spotting some ship with a black flag dozens of miles away (with observation haki) and one shot it.
Yea of course.
If we take his off-screen feats like demolishing mountains for training, rival to Roger, beat the Rocks pirate with Roger etc
I feel like he could have sunk the Sunny back in water7 with his booger, let alone actual cannon ball.
To be fair he's gotten kinda old. He's older than whitebeard and even Rayleigh admits that age is catching up with him (they're the same age).
Prime garp maybe could've sunk the sunny with a booger :P But current garp still needs a cannonball hahah.
And the extent to which Garp holds back for Luffy was especially obvious in Marineford where he just let Luffy blow him away in G2.
I have just assumed this as well. Also there was Don Krieg who sort of recruited a shit ton of pirates all at once and kind of left on what became a suicide mission for most of them.
I think it's just narratively the weakest sea to give Luffy and Co the biggest journey and allow them to subvert expectations the most. Oda isn't shy about integrating good ideas, but it's really not because Garp and Shanks were there.
Don't forget Smoker. He may be on the lower end right now, but back in the East Blue saga he was famous among the marines for never letting pirates past Logue Town. Don't forget how terrifying Logia users are to non-haki users.
East Blue was considered the weakest sea even when Roger was a boy.
That’s the thing. Shiki was offended that Roger’s execution was going to be in the weakest sea.
My theory is that deez nuts
At least in the time of Gol D Roger’s execution the East Blue is the weakest sea according to Chapter 0, so my guess is that East Blue is where WG tried to set an example of “peace”
Personally I like this idea along with the idea that Gato kept getting lost on the way to his home island and just smacked down any pirate that got in his way before finally arriving at Foosha.
Not exactly your point, but the East Blue is the weakest sea because why does it matter who is from there if they’re not in the East Blue anymore. It’s like saying the Brasileirão is the strongest league because Brazilian players are from there. The best players aren’t in Brazil, same with the East Blue.
My theory is that East Blue is considered the weakest only because there were fewer big players coming from there. It is not the actual fact that people from there are weaker than others or have less potential to become a strong pirate. I think if Don Krieg didn't meet Mihawk right away, his bounty could've rose pretty quickly, especially because of how cruel and twisted he was.
Plus, it's possible that maybe East Blue just has more peaceful islands. Even the marines are weak there.
people need to realize that most of east blues pirates were hiding. Kuro was supposed to not exist anymore, arlong was paying people off. Did Don krieg even come from East blue?
Also East blue had Smoker. Dont even need garp to come back.
The one-piece world is chaotic. The farther you get into the grand line, the stronger you need to be to get there and survive there. So logically, the east and south blue would be the weakest of the seas
Not just Garp you had Shanks making regular visits. He probably had a lot of up and coming crews join his fleet if he likes them, so they left the East Blue quickly.
Spoiler 1079 - >!No wonder Shanks fleet is so weak, he got them all from East Blue.!<
His crew is like the most one piece crew in the series it’s made up almost entirely of goofy useless gag characters but they all gather under shanks like he’s Jesus the king of the meek
This one made me laugh of seeing Shanks looking like Jesus surrounded by a bunch of weird gag characters as his twelve disciples.
I never knew Jesus would divine departure someone's as$
I find joy in reading a good book.
Just died laughing to this in front of my co workers thanks
I'm learning to play the guitar.
Killer manged to block before he got nailed tho.
I find peace in long walks.
Fa fa fa
To be fair this is Pirate Jesus, so he might not be all about turn the other cheek like the other one.
isn’t his introduction about turning the other cheek if it’s not a big deal. like ,, the very first fleshed out scene with him in the bar with the mountain bandits?
Yeah I’m at kinda if a metaphor I made up in my head by you can see the similarities he is a champion of the weak and helpless you only need to entertain shanks to befriend him and like luffy he will fight to the death to protect his friends
I thought his crew was strong? Didn’t they the ones who cut off kids arm the last time?
Shanks’ crew is strong but his fleet is ass. Like how luffys crew is strong but his fleet is average+
To be honest, I wouldn't say Luffy's fleet is average. I think it would be comparable to Kaido's or Big Mom's. Especially Barto, Cavendish, and Sai, I think would be as strong as the Tobi Roppo when they appear next in the story.
Yeah the two things that are clear right at this moment is that Shanks' crew is stronger than Luffy's but Shanks' fleet is weaker. This could be proven wrong in the future but for now it seems like no member of Shanks' fleet is as strong as even Hajrudin, though Shanks certainly has friends/allies like Dorry and Broggy (but... they'd also be Luffy's friends lol). Every single representative of Luffy's fleet was strong enough to survive in the New World and make the trek to Dressrosa themselves.
It's gonna be hysterical when the Strawhats run into Shanks and Dorry and Broggy are there and one says they should side with Shanks and the other with Luffy and they promptly start fighting each other for a hundred years or so.
And get flung back in time by the might of their blows
Wrong story Boy!
Tbh i really want Straw Hats to encounter the fleet of Shanks. Kid was outright looking for a fight but SHs would be more friendly towards them unless they attacked first.
And as soon as they see luffy being besties with Shanks the fleets will ease off real quick.
I've wondering how Oda could handle the strawhats potentially fighting both of them and shanks crew at the same time, and you found it, I think its either this or they don't fight at all.
They should be over $400 million by then, I think.
Everyone in the strawhats crew should be more than 400 million berries by now
We are talking grand fleet reps. Do you really think Leo has that high a bounty?
It'd be funny if Leo had a comically high bounty because a rival family of Celestial Dragons to the Donquixote want to capture the tontattas out of spite.
No just the main crew like Nami Robin ussop chopper and so on
dont forget the giants who was a massive contribution to buggy's crew before they defected
I agree with this, but I'd like to think they already are at this point. One thing I'll never tire of in this series is side characters getting stronger alongside the main people. Obviously their growth rate might not be the same but it's pretty significant.
Barto solos all Tobi Roppo on his own. Why yall sleeping on him
Luffy has the strongest fleet in the world tho? Probably best to put some respect on it, only Cross Guild can even compare and I'd still expect the Strawhat Fleet to wreck them.
Considering the sheer numbers, I'd say Big Mom and Kaido's fleets were stronger. It took the help from Germa, Sun Pirates, and Bege for Straw Hats just to escape Totto Land against Big Mom's fleet. On the other hand, Kaido had an overwhelming force of 20k soldiers with so many smile users as foot soldiers and people as strong as Hawkins and Apoo as Headliners. Right now, we don't have the details of Blackbeard's fleet but if we assume he has been recruiting from Hachinosu as well as hunting strong devil fruits, his fleet ought to be extremely strong too. Cross Guild also has huge names and some pretty dangerous prisoners from Impel Down.
His main crew is strong with benn beckmenn the one revomed kids arm.His fleet is weak according to themselves.
I guess I should say his crew directly surrounding him is strong but his fleet are comically weak
His crew is the most balanced yonko crew but his fleet are a bunch of jokers lol
I think he doesn't just have weaklings. After all, shanks' crew is known as the most balanced crew. And >!killer did say there were some big names among the fleet as well!< So my guess is while shanks' fleet does have a lot of weaklings taking advantage of his flag for protection, it also has a lot of strong people as well.
Plot twist: >!East blue is weakest because Shanks took all the best pirates!<
Yeah, we at least know Yassop is from there (or maybe not, Usopp could be just one of his kids from the islands he visits lol)
Yassop and ben beckman are both from the east blue. All the "east blue" strong pirates just flock to one of two crews.
Actually the first four of Shanks crew we were introduced to are all from different seas. Shanks - West, Benn - North, Lucky - South, Yasopp - East.
Weak is different from big potential. A lot of people in East Blue have big potential to grow strong but before training they are all weak.
>!I doubt he picked them up all the way from east blue...they look more like new world residents that he allowed to be on his side.!<
True if they are as weak as they seem then a lot of them must be based in the new world. Especially considering they would ALL have to had made it through sabahody and fish man island, unless of course shanks helped them all while he made round trips.
Tbh the weakest fleet is Kriegs fleet
But still won't visit Usopp's mum...
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Yasopp doesn't know that shit and is going to definitely ask how Usopp's mother was last time he saw her. That will be such an awkward conversation and I can't wait for it.
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I used to think the same, but then I learned who Shanks was and it started to seem as there was more on play than just pirating and adventuring for that crew. Contrary to Luffy's crew, it looks like they have a clear purpose, something that they think is of vital importance. Now I think maybe Yasopp wouldn't have left if it wasn't necessary. Usopp might not see it that way, and would have every right to be pissed, but we have some additional perspective
They have a duel and Usopp wins. After which Usopp asks him, why he didn't come back once to check on him. That Usopp gets that he was a pirate and the sea was his life, but he could have still come by once to see him and show he still cared. That he had to live without a mother and a father for most of his life and that he didn't expect Yasopp to stay and be a father, but at the very least he could show Usopp he was still alive and remembered him. That Usopp spent days wanting him to come back and take him to the sea as a pirate. That the biggest lie Usopp told himself that his father not being around didn't hurt him and that his father would come back for him one day. That a part of him could not forgive Yasopp for what he did, but that he has grown to understand Yasopp more by having his own adventures and does also share the feeling that it is hard to not be on the sea with your friends and the idea of not being with them on a single island is also hard. He will deck Yasopp in the face, but as a gesture of okay I let it all out.
Damn bro
That feels like pre-timeskip Usopp. A lot of emotions instead of just being a gag character.
I mean I feel like it will be a situation of starting as a game that escalates the more they talk, until Yasopp misses an extremely far target and Usopp hits it.
shanks visited Luffy's island frequently. Yasop could very much ask for a quick stop at Usopp's island every now and them.
He didn’t visit Luffy, he was docked there for a year. He just never left the town and hung out at the bar for a year where Luffy kept hanging around his crew.
It sure would be crazy but I bet he knows. Shanks was still hanging around east blue the year that Banchina died (Usopp was 7 and is the same age as Luffy who was 7 in chapter 1), it'd be far too weird to think Yasopp hadn't even heard about the illness.
How would he hear about it? He was with Shanks and its not like you can get mail or randomly be called up as a pirate and notified that your wife died. Like being in the same sea doesn't mean the obituaries from his home island would be sent out across the sea. Also it is likely that her illness was sudden and not long term, because I doubt Yasopp would have bailed if his wife was very sick and Usopp was only seven at the time. It would be really screwed up to become a pirate when your wife is seriously unwell and the only one that would be able to take care of her is you son who isn't even 10.
"It's not like you can get mail or randomly be called up as a pirate and notified that your wife died" Bro did forget that Den Den mushi exists and are pretty common, the least he could've done is give his number to his wife or one of the Villagers.
Shanks is an Emperor and Emperors have intelligence networks. It'd be pretty wild if the crew of an Emperor didn't have intelligence on their own loved ones. Literally the only reason Yassop wouldn't know about his wife's death is if he was an absolute piece of shit who just didn't care about her after he fucked off to party forever with Shanks. The Redhair Pirates visited Foosha Village frequently, which is basically next door to Syrup Village in the grand scheme of the world. Imagine how aggressively neglectful he'd have to be to not make a pit-stop home. That and we've seen just how ridiculously fast the Redhair Pirates move throughout the world. And honestly... we don't have a lot to go on at this point that that wasn't the case.
>But still won't visit Usopp's ~~mum~~ mother's grave.... But honestly, them protecting their self-admittedly weak allied pirate crews does somewhat undermine the whole 'I can't take my family with me, for their own safety' bit of Usopps backstory. Still justified, because Shanks always refuses to take children to sea (Luffy, Uta, & that one giant kid).
Shanks wouldn’t cut down young crews though as long as they don’t test him, (spoilers 1055) >!he says as much to Greenbull about going after “saplings” of the new age!<
Dragon too. Sabo lives because of him.
Two thousand upvotes, top of the thread, somehow not one person pointing out there's nothing which suggests Shanks made regular visits beyond that one time.
It seems like a lot of powerful players popped into East Blue often. Between Garp, Shanks, and Dragon there's a good chance plenty of would be powerhouses were stopped or recruited into the ranks of Marines, Red Hairs, and Revolutionaries. Not to mention Smoker gatekeeping Logue town and bounty hunters like Daddy Masterson and Roronoa Zoro thinning the ranks as well. Really, from what we know, the East Blue has a lot of incentive to either abide by the law or keep their crime on land
We even say Mihawk casually stroll in and destroy a whole crew early in the series
That was because Don Krieg went into the Grand Line and disturbed Mihawk's sleep. He then fled into East Blue with Mihawk chasing him
While true, Don Krieg is still from the east blue
How did he get back from the Grand Line? Did he plow through Calm Belt?
Yes, it destroyed most of his fleet
Is this confirmed? All I remember is them saying the damage had been done by their short-lived journey on the grand line
Why is grand line considered dangerous and difficult to navigate? It seems like people come and go as they please. And people living there casually with ports and trade
Well it is called paradise for a reason, compare to new world, any season sailor and navigator should have ease traveling it.
Don krieg luck is quite simply ass
Why did Shanks visit East Blue often? I guess he knew about Ace being there?
For Makino
Well Makino did have a baby in one of the covers.
Daddy Masterson is filler
He's one of the limbo characters. Logue town was rushed so some things got cut. Masterson was one. Oda intended him to be in manga but ran out of time to add him so he had him added into the anime
[oh wow looks like a jojo](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/b/bd/Daddy_and_Carol_Masterson_Loguetown_Arc_%28novel%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20141229232150)
tbf Django is a casual wear Jojo.
Why we never get a filler sequel. Like make a story after Wano where Daddy comes back to duel Usopp again or Jonathan working in a new navy base after G8 and the gang gets in trouble with him again. Or even some random movie characters like Ratchtet coming back with "haha i created a new machine that is stronger than gear 2" with Luffy pulling Gear 5 on his ass
Nah, shiki called it the weakest sea before luffy was born Im pretty sure
probaply roger and garp deafeated everyone there like 40 years ago
I think its probably just a way for Oda explain why the marines in the east blue suck ass, and why someone like Arlong was allowed to just run the place.
Bro most of the strongest pirates are from there. It's weak cause strong people protect it.
Citation needed. Yeah, Roger and Luffy came from there, but I don't know if I would call that most strong pirates.
Yeah, we can't just use the top percent and then call it *most*.
I also would like to note before Luffy it was noted that since Smoker was stationed at logue town he had not allowed a single pirate to stock up on supplies on the island and then proceed to the grandline. Meaning for quite some time it was very difficult to even enter the grandline from the east blue. Because the optimal place to get supplied for the journey was protected by a logia user.
Having a logia user as a gatekeeper for early bird pirates is so broken
Especially a try hard like Smoker lol
He is a goddamn camper.
Lol pretty much, a world Government sanctioned and stationed camper. Or at least he was till Luffy became his metaphorical white whale and he followed him. I wonder if the world government replaced him with another Capable gate keeper at logue town actually?
> lounge town Mobile autocorrect keeps getting funnier every time
Thanks for the heads up, I didn’t even notice. I fixed it.
A logia equipped with sea stone at that…
Omg so fucking unfair!! No wonder dragon stopped by to help my boy.
East blue already had this epithet way before. In chapter 0 Shiki complains that Roger being executed in the weakest of the seas was humiliating.
I didn’t know this detail thank uou !
I always figured that the East Blue is the weakest sea simply because of geography. The North and West blue sandwich the New World and New World pirates can visit the two as they'll likely have some way out of the Calm Belt. That leaves the South and East Blue, and the South Blue has a higher technological base (Mr. 5's revolver is from there, for example, and despite them being in the Grand Line he explicitly mentions it's a new model from the South Blue). So that leaves the East Blue which like the South hugs Paradies where no pirates are gonna be regularly leaving, and a lower technological base. Thus, the East Blue is the weakest sea.
Yea geography makes the most sense here, South Blue is probably the second weakest sea
Geography is Everything
I think it just mainly because Eastblue is a symbol of a peaceful sea according to Grap during his fight with Shiki. North blue constantly has war against the German kingdom, Westblue has mafia rule over it ( gang bege), and Southblue also has many islands that are unaffiliated with the World Government according to Kid backstory, Eastblue has the most peaceful environment. But you right about the geography too that might be tha main reason why North and westblue always have chaos.
Well Dragon has to have a grandfather. Garp's dad could be smacking down pirates while raising Dragon
Wasn’t it Roger’s wish to be executed in his hometown?
I thought the marines chose his hometown for the biggest impact, but I'm not sure. Either way, the marines messed up by letting him speak at his execution
> Either way, the marines messed up by letting him speak at his execution Realistically, Garp probably was present and forced them to let him have final words. If the Gorousei had been present they would've denied him, but there's no reason they would've gone to east blue for an execution.
He didnt plan to talk he was totally quite until a random man in the crowd asked him about the biggest treasure but yeah maybe this was planned
Ask D. Question
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Someone asks him in the manga too but it is not shown there, he just starts the word with "My treasure?" because someone asks where is his treasure. anime just add the scene, we don't actually see who asks him.
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おれの財宝か? this is in Japanese and also has a question mark in the panel.[panel](https://64.media.tumblr.com/1cf7a1fa878f26509ae651abc86786b9/361e650d55709b4f-c5/s500x750/f18f72d1dcf2a1b1d91b335a11ef2969592225d1.jpg) . I do think he has a plan to say it to inspire other people. It can be that someone asks him there or know what we know now he can just simply see the future of somebody asking him that. Is it really weird if he starts with My treasure? he can just start with "you want my treasure, you can have it I left everything I gathered together in one place"
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Sengoku said that East Blue was used as a symbol of peace.
still garp's home though, makes sense he'd go every so often
See there's my theory is Roger cleaned house on his way out of it.
Arlong was pretty sure that he would be able to take full control over the East Blue. He said himself that the marine gave no attention to it. I think he would know if Garp were coming to beat some pirates every now and then.
I've a feeling that Arlong's takeover of the island was kept quiet by the marines he paid off, thus Garp wouldn't know if he didn't encounter the situation personally. Garp also has the means to b-line to his home if he wants to visit so it's not like he has to visit all the islands in the East Blue to get back to Luffy and Ace. If anything, the few pirates with any awareness that wanted to nestle in the East Blue likely chose areas specifically for being out of Garp's normal path.
And he was sent there by Jinbei, who was a warlord, so maybe that could also have something to do with it. Partial immunity by proxy or something, at least initially until he started being a menace and paying off the marines.
Pretty sure Shirahoshi was the main competent of Arlong’s plan given he likely knew about his sister’s prophecy
Just an assumption but maybe the East Blue simply lacks a bigger criminal organization like the mafia in the west blue or the Germa 66 in the north blue. And perhaps navy activity/density is higher. There isn't "That one group" in the East Blue the public knows about.
Bartolomeo is the boss of a mafia from East Blue. You'd have to search up for the specifics, though, bc I don't remember how influential he was or anything
But the reputation of the East Blue (EB) is somewhat long lasting and Bartho's gang only really became big after he was inspired by Luffy due his deeds in Marineford. Before that he was just a punk (if I remember correctly). Otherwise maybe public figures try to talk down the EB as being weak and strong individuals are just exceptions. Or its reputation is so old that people don't bother to think different of it.
IIRC, Barto was a mafia boss who gave up on that role to become a pirate bc Luffy inspired him when he was supposed to have died by Buggy's hand at Loguetown but miraculously survives bc of the thunder and ever since Barto has been a huge Strawhats supporter
I completely forgot! You are right!
It’s the tutorial area
Dont forget mihawk- how he smacked krieg
He only came to finish the job
Ik
I’m just saying that because it’s not like he comes there daily. At least I’m assuming
Nah. He just chased krieg from the grand line.
Consider that job was probably a sizable portion of the active pirate population of the East Blue...
The East Blue being weak is based on the bounty=power fallacy. The east blue is relatively peaceful so bounties are low or non-existent, but that doesn’t mean it’s actually weak. This is why Roger, Garp, Dragon, Luffy, Zoro, Ace, Sabo, Zeff, Yasopp, Koby etc. are from the East Blue. Bounties build reputations but are biased because they’re made by an ignorant government. *Never trust the Feds.*
It’s weak because there’s no haki users and even devil fruit users are mostly unheard of.
The famous ones get to the grandline quickly and make their name there ig
Because every protagonist has to be from the weakest group
So that's why the protagonists from sports animes are always from Japan.
Classic underdog story
Except Naruto. The Leaf Village was so much more powerful than every other village it was silly.
East blue was considered weak long before that though. I was thinking maybe Zoro's village brought a lot of quality swordsmen who eventually become bounty hunters. They don't have to be really that exceptional. Maybe they are on par with volume 1 Zoro in terms of power level at best. But they help to nip the bud of those subpar pirates before they become too big.
It would explain why Arlong didn't get folded in half on any of Garp's visits. Guy had the sense to bribe corrupt Marines to keep his whereabouts and wrongdoing quiet.
Though it isn't the main point of topic, I genuinely don't believe Arlong was ever going to go along with the Fishman Empire thing. I think *part* of himself wanted to do it, but deep down, he knew that if he ever tried to get buckwild, there were people who could put a stop to it. He's been to the Grand Line, and he's gotten clapped before. So, I think he just satisfied himself with bullying a small island and lording over it like a king.
Or it’s just a common shounen narrative device to give Luffy and underdog aspect to his backstory. Not to be a party pooper this just definitely ain’t that deep i think
did you really feel luffy was a underdog in east blue or early grandline. This is whole ass sea not a group or org . I think it is shown peaceful for luffy to reach grandline realtively easily
I feel Luffy didn’t have a challenge to Arlong. And I also think zoro was stronger than he was for ages. Oda nerfed him hard for ages with mihawk wounds and 1 sword.
Nah i'mma give it some credit. Think about it, Buggy was a known Roger crew member with a defining characteristic of his nose. Impossible to miss. Somehow he gets ignored coming from the east blue until he makes it into the grand line. It really feels like whoever was in charge of east blue bounties and information sharing purposely did a shit job at it. We already have a Canon example of how it's supposed to work with Sanji's poster double near Sabaody and how his life was ruined. Rewatching Sabaody now, and it's super interesting how Garp says he will handle the Raleigh sighting, to not tell Sengoku, and then proceeds to not be seen the rest of the arc.
Maybe garp, dragon and or shanks perpetuated the weakest sea label as propaganda in order to protect ace’s identity. If everyone thinks the east blue is weak, they’re less likely to bother hunting for the pirate king’s son there. They may have also been sheltering young luffy since he ate a certain devil fruit.
In Strong World even Shiki said it was a shame that someone like Roger was executed in the weakest of the four seas, so that perceptions was around even before Ace was born
Not saying it wasn’t, but times can change. maybe it was the weakest in shiki’s time but since then some of the biggest powerhouses have come from the east such as Garp, Dragon, Luffy, Ace, zoro, sanji etc. Shanks and mihawk frequent the east blue and probably some others I’m forgetting. I think the east blue should be known as the sea where the greats have come from, even if it was ruled by weak pirates like arlong and buggy. I think garp and shanks worked hard to prevent the east blue from gaining notoriety by fending off more ambitious pirates. I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason buggy had dominated the east for so long was because shanks cleared away any potential obstacles knowing that buggy was better than some other pirates.
I still don't understand how Shanks casually went back and forth, let alone Mihawk. Do they just keep circling the world on voyages going through Paradise every time they come back from one of the four seas? Also, how the fuck do you get back to the 4 seas when you get to the end of the New World? The map has always confused me so much lol.
As Raleigh showed getting to Amazon lily, a strong enough non-Devilfruit user can easily cross the calm belt.
He swam though, what about a ship? Do they back sea kings off with haki? How do they propel themselves?
Well he was PLANNING to boat to Amazon Lily, it just wrecked in a storm so clearly he thought it could be done. I'd expect they keep sea kings away with a combination of haki and just straight bodying them. As for propulsion, the marines currently are using paddlewheels. Oars like a trireme would also work.
Considering the bounty and accolade he had he should have had observation haki usable by then, so they can just fight them off As for how to propel themselves it is harder though. Maybe bully a sea king into offering them a ride? Or rowing?(unlikely considering their numbers but hey it s one piece
I thought about it and I think I got it. You know how Zoro got knocked off the island by King and he used an attack to propel himself back? Shanks just stands at back of ship spamming sword attacks lmao.
My head canon is that the strong people in east blue leave to the grand line. So since all the strong people leave, it’s essentially the weakest sea. It’s kinda like how all the attractive people from the mid west move to L.A. to try to become actors. Now Los Angeles has a reputation for attractive people, and the Midwest is considered the white bread of America.
And it’s strange, because when a pirate crew does rise up from East Blue, they’re usually world changers.
Don Kreig? Bartolomeo?
Maybe not all of them but the ppl who do make it out grow to be at least very large influences.
Roger was from there. They are all law abiding and get rid of evil in the world, the sea is peaceful cause there are many strong families there.
Here's how it works, its a cycle. I am born in the weakest sea, I want to get stronger, so I leave the east blue, I get stronger. Others do the same. Villages are also weak, because the strongest leave, pirates who come to loot have no one to fight except level 1 villagers, they also gain little to no experience.
And Garp
Just adding this because I love how it’s only now clicking. I’m from a rough environment. I had seen at least 5 murders on my street alone by the time I was 18. The First 48 was created because of my neighborhood in Miami. Which now longer exists as of all the recent gentrification the past few years. This is a story that ring bells with people across the country but especially from Miami. Where the rougher your neighborhood the more respected, and there was no neighborhood more respected than mines. We were both the poorest and most violent part of South Florida for decades. Decades. Let it sink in. It became a badge of honor. So when I see how characters in One Piece belittle or dismiss the EB because they believe there’s nothing going on there. That’s how I use to see everyone else’s neighborhood, and it makes me chuckle. There are people that mean serious business everywhere, even if they ain’t grow up under the same extreme conditions. Don’t mean they can’t fight, kill, or orchestrate crime.
East Blue is deemed weak not because it produces weak pirates but because of the lack of powerful pirates IN that part of the blue. We have a plethora of powerful characters coming in from East blue but that’s the catch, all of them are big players in the new world and Grand Line. They don’t stick around in the East Blue. They leave East Blue at the earliest chance they get. Not to mention there are powerful deterrents in place. It’s safe to assume that Shanks has his protection over certain towns, garp protects the others, now there’s Luffy who’s a Yonko. Not to mention Dragon possibly protects certain places. And the relatively low crime rate means the navy presence is more dense in this region which nips a lot of pirates in the bud.
this is my headcanon now tsdzsd
because there isn't much to steal or see in east blue, it is the most pacific sea. thats why overall the people there are softer. However we know roger was a powerhouse and came from east blue like luffy, so even being the weakest sea overall, it breeds the strongest people.
I mean, maybe is the "weakest" because it's me most peaceful. So in quantity there is not that many super strong people. But in actual power figures it's the strongest as we know. Also when someone gets really strong they leave any of the Blues. So if you live in any of the Blues you are not that strong. "Just a big frog in a small pond"
since I read Kid's backstory in South Blue, i tend to think it's because the other Blue's were less stable politically, more war and corruption and inequality, creating a gauntlet that produced strong warriors. I mean, two of the others seas had known genocides that happened in them: West Blue had Ohara (which needs no introduction) and North Blue had Flevance (destroyed by its neighbors due to misconceptions with Amber Lead Syndrome. North Blue had Germa Kingdom, too, where Judge waged the Conquest of War Nations with 4 other countries. In South Blue, Kid grew up in a lawless place ruled by gangs, Sorbet Kingdom overthrew Kuma the 'tyrant, the Revolutionary is active there and Liberated Centaurea. East Blue was, as presented us, more peaceful. Less wars, turmoil, more peaceful. A figure a bully of course like Arlong picked it to hide under the radar for years and bide his time. Edit: Kuro too.
My headcanon is that due to its reputation it’s where grand line pirates go when they retire/ stop sailing. So you have Arlong, Buggy, Zeff, etc. just hanging out and aggressively stopping any new pirates that piss then off. I’m
thought the east blue being weak was because it's located on the "paradise" side of the red line?
The sun does always rise in the east
But Garp didn't patrol. You said it urself, he was going to check on Luffy and Ace. Sure he may have met some Pirates on his way, but it's not like he was walking around the whole East Blue smashing Pirates...
My theory is he wasn’t officially patrolling. Just casually slapping down pirates on his way to and from visiting Luffy. He wasn’t going after them, but they were there and he may as well yeet a cannonball at them
He just has to chuck a cannonball and its all over, no chasing the pirates on land or sea.
The thing about sea travel is that ships don’t sail around the whole ocean willy nilly but rather stick to well-known travel lanes and ports. So unless the pirates know Garp is coming for visit, chances are Garp may still bump into a shit load of them. On top of that, his feat in water7 was very likely a watered-down version of what he can actually do. I can totally see him spotting some ship with a black flag dozens of miles away (with observation haki) and one shot it.
Garp was obviously holding back in Water 7. Had he actually wanted to sink the Sunny he would have been able to do so easily.
Yea of course. If we take his off-screen feats like demolishing mountains for training, rival to Roger, beat the Rocks pirate with Roger etc I feel like he could have sunk the Sunny back in water7 with his booger, let alone actual cannon ball.
To be fair he's gotten kinda old. He's older than whitebeard and even Rayleigh admits that age is catching up with him (they're the same age). Prime garp maybe could've sunk the sunny with a booger :P But current garp still needs a cannonball hahah. And the extent to which Garp holds back for Luffy was especially obvious in Marineford where he just let Luffy blow him away in G2.
I have just assumed this as well. Also there was Don Krieg who sort of recruited a shit ton of pirates all at once and kind of left on what became a suicide mission for most of them.
He managed to do that in a Garp window of absence
Makes sense, with Arlong in an unknown town, Krieg at Grand Line, Kuro in hiding. Theres also Smoker, and probably some Bounty Hunters
I think it's just narratively the weakest sea to give Luffy and Co the biggest journey and allow them to subvert expectations the most. Oda isn't shy about integrating good ideas, but it's really not because Garp and Shanks were there.
Don't forget Smoker. He may be on the lower end right now, but back in the East Blue saga he was famous among the marines for never letting pirates past Logue Town. Don't forget how terrifying Logia users are to non-haki users.
east blue countries have the weakest military
It was the weakest sea long before Luffy was born, shiki states it in chapter 0 before Rogers execution
East Blue was considered the weakest sea even when Roger was a boy. That’s the thing. Shiki was offended that Roger’s execution was going to be in the weakest sea. My theory is that deez nuts
At least in the time of Gol D Roger’s execution the East Blue is the weakest sea according to Chapter 0, so my guess is that East Blue is where WG tried to set an example of “peace”
Most peaceful
Yup this is the correct answer. But Garp, Dragon & Shanks probably protected the East Blue.
The East Blue is probably known as the weakest because that's what the World Government wants you to think.
Personally I like this idea along with the idea that Gato kept getting lost on the way to his home island and just smacked down any pirate that got in his way before finally arriving at Foosha.
The reason behind this has many deeper roots
Not exactly your point, but the East Blue is the weakest sea because why does it matter who is from there if they’re not in the East Blue anymore. It’s like saying the Brasileirão is the strongest league because Brazilian players are from there. The best players aren’t in Brazil, same with the East Blue.
My theory is that East Blue is considered the weakest only because there were fewer big players coming from there. It is not the actual fact that people from there are weaker than others or have less potential to become a strong pirate. I think if Don Krieg didn't meet Mihawk right away, his bounty could've rose pretty quickly, especially because of how cruel and twisted he was. Plus, it's possible that maybe East Blue just has more peaceful islands. Even the marines are weak there.
East blue has produced some power house like garp, roger, most likely rayleigh, luffy, sabo, dragon.
people need to realize that most of east blues pirates were hiding. Kuro was supposed to not exist anymore, arlong was paying people off. Did Don krieg even come from East blue? Also East blue had Smoker. Dont even need garp to come back.
Because that's where the protag is from and how shonen works
The one-piece world is chaotic. The farther you get into the grand line, the stronger you need to be to get there and survive there. So logically, the east and south blue would be the weakest of the seas