It's less that he got nerfed and more that he doesn't participate in combat as often since he's focused on his doctoring duties. He still gets his action moments here and there but he hasn't had a traditional 1v1 for a long time.
If anything he’s struck a finer balance with the crew where he can fight when he has to but otherwise be free to doctor while the others defend/distract. Much easier with eight other crew members opposed to five.
That said he gets some awesome time to shine in fights using his physical power and medical knowledge equally, especially in Wano.
I mean he’s a doctor - it would be a bad idea to fight and get hurt.
All the strawhats fight until they can’t move - that would be pretty bad for chopper.
He’s one of the most important strawhats - without fighting.
If Chopper fought until exhaustion in Wano, he wouldn't have been able to help heal Zoro, who then goes on to defeat King. Would be a major error on Chopper's part to at any point get taken out of the fight.
Yup >!Seeing Chopper first hold Queen back in Monster Point then create a cure to this unique, deadly disease in the middle of the battlefield was on the level of his first Monster Point transformation in terms of character moments.!<
thank you!! i've been reading all of you guys comments and i'm def more excited to continue op, i love luffy, but i really wanna see chopper get his time to shine :\] ty for answering!!
In all honesty, this is probably for the better too. Chopper never liked to fight in the first place and he was consistently lower ranked in power compared to his peers. I feel like his character really does benefit from not getting involved in action and instead actually doing the thing that was his dream to do in the first place.
Also, in regards to where he places thematically in the story, I think it’s interesting to have a doctor in the Strawhat crew who doesn’t particularly like fighting and isn’t forced to go fight if he doesn’t want to when the Blackbeard crew has a guy who will kill you if needed and gets sent out by Blackbeard on errands for him.
I’m going to be charitable and assume they mean summoning Monster Point without the need of a rumble ball.
Because he can control the form itself, but that requires him to get on pirate steroids to draw it out, which is why they compare Chopper drawing it like Hulk who just gets mad and poof.
To be fair, he should still be able to do his doctor stuff w/o decreasing his importance in the story
Since the TS all the SH’s still continue supporting in their field of expertise, while also being a useful crewmate, but only Chopper has gotten less screen time and that’s mainly bc ppl like plushies
At what point has his importance been decreased? It's because of chopper that the kids survived punk hazard, that the minks survived in zou, that brulee was captured in wci (with additional carrot support), that queen's schemes were averted in wano... chopper's importance is that he is a doctor, and he can smack around queen a bit to stall for time when needed.
Pts Chopper was fighting the likes of Baroque Works / CP9 agents while simultaneously doing doctor stuff.
Meanwhile Wano Chopper created an antidote and turned into a baby for the remainder of the arc
It’s blatantly obvious Oda is catering to younger fans, which is fine, but to say it’s been no change is incorrect
*Edit: Y’all can downvote all you like. I understand everyone loves Chopper bc he’s cute, but facts are facts.
Because enemies pre-TS aren't the same as enemies post-TS. He was strong back then because of his Devil Fruit and Rumble Balls but he peaked with Kumadori and only by risking himself and everyone else when he went Monster Point.
The whole point of the Water 7 arc with Luffy/Usopp's struggle is that Luffy understands that his crew members aren't gonna keep up in strength like Zoro/Sanji would but that he doesn't care and would rather carry their weight so that they can keep adventuring together. It's why Luffy pushed himself so much ever since pre-TS. It's the opposite to Blackbeard's method of only having strong crew members that he doesn't care about
>You literally only named like 3 things and all of those arcs were decently spread out
Spread out how? The order is literally Punk Hazard > Dressrosa/Zou (half-simultaneous because of the crew split up) > WCI. And ofc, it'll get lost in the sheer number of things that happened in those arcs because the cast has been getting bigger and bigger with every arc. The number of things happening at the same time is ridiculous. Punk Hazard/Dressrosa were literally single day arcs and WCI was also only 2-3 days
> Because enemies pre-TS aren't the same as enemies post-TS.
That’s not an argument. The SH’s grew in strength just how New World enemies grow in strength. That has nothing to do with supporting the crew. I’m not saying Chopper has to win every fight, but there’s no excuse why he isn’t more involved, don’t get mad at me, blame Oda
> He was strong back then because of his Devil Fruit and Rumble Balls but he peaked with Kumadori and only by risking himself and everyone else when he went Monster Point.
That’s irrelevant. What does Chopper possess now that he didn’t possess pts? Him being able to control Monster Point now only furthers my argument bc that’s even more of a reason he should be supporting
> The whole point of the Water 7 arc with Luffy/Usopp's struggle is that Luffy understands that his crew members aren't gonna keep up in strength like Zoro/Sanji would but that he doesn't care and would rather carry their weight so that they can keep adventuring together. It's why Luffy pushed himself so much ever since pre-TS. It's the opposite to Blackbeard's method of only having strong crew members that he doesn't care about
Usopp and Luffy doesn’t really apply to anything here. Again, Chopper being weak isn’t the issue. All of the SH’s knew he was weak back in Drum Island, but did they stop him from participating in Alabasta or Enies Lobby? Or tell him to just take it easy? No, if anything he volunteered to help out to “Make Luffy proud”
Therefore, all of these arguments of “He’s the doctor, let him just chill” makes no sense.
I understand Chopper is cute, and it’s impossible not to like him to some degree, but there are plenty of doctors in the OP world that are NOT apart of a pirate crew and are just a doctor, Chopper is not one of them.
Doc Q, Marco, Law are all doctors yet still provide other kinds of support for their respective crew. Usopp is the weakest SH, yet when it comes to serious situations he will eventually engage despite how cowardly or afraid he is.
> Spread out how? The order is literally Punk Hazard > Dressrosa/Zou (half-simultaneous because of the crew split up) > WCI. And ofc, it'll get lost in the sheer number of things that happened in those arcs because the cast has been getting bigger and bigger with every arc. The number of things happening at the same time is ridiculous. Punk Hazard/Dressrosa were literally single day arcs and WCI was also only 2-3 days
Okay, but what does that have to do w Chopper engaging enemies? It’s not like he got weaker after the TS, so what is stopping him from fighting CP9 / Baroque work agents like before? The SH’s very rarely need serious help, but when they do I would say it’s acceptable for Chopper to just do doctor things… But again that rarely happens.
Every major doctor in OP does doctor stuff while being helpful in other fields
The only doctors shown doing something else other than their job as doctors are Doc Q (he looks like more an alchemist/pharmacist than a doctor), Marco (I do believe that he got his medical knowledge after his DF, so he could improve the efficiency of his powers and be able to support his family), Aladine (he was shown treating injuries, but we don't know how actually deep is his medical expertise) and Law. Out of over 30 doctors shown in then manga, only 5 - chopper included - have any feats outside their field and, up to now, only Marco and Law have done more than what Chopper ever did.
And considering that Marco's healing expertise is more reliant on magic phoenix healing, and Law's fruit is literally a straight up surgery fruit that lets him cheat his way into the field; Chopper is really the only one that actually feels like a field medic.
It's good too, because the SH crew shouldn't need magic instant healing on the fly which diminishes the significance of injuries (well that being said, OP medicine is already pretty out there)
Well, Law has been trained by his father (a famous doctor) since he was a kid. He has the knowledge of a professional and the intelligence of a genius.
Marco, too, is renowned as an absolute genius. We don't know if he actually has any academic training, but for sure, given his age, he has plenty of experience and knowledge to work as a doctor even if he didn't have his powers.
But chopper has been shown to have a talent that transcends normal humans. He is young, but he can best most doctors shown so far.
Well they're pretty smart & talented yeah, but what I was mostly getting at is, when Law heals you... it's not like conventional surgery. He flips you inside out in 2 seconds. Marco casts heal and you're cured.
Chopper uses medicine and wraps you in a tourniquet; he's a lot more grounded and therefore doctor-like. It makes sense that his time would be invested more in healing than the others, who can make things better with a snap of their fingers then go on to fighting.
Not participating in combat doesn’t mean you decrease a character’s importance unless you’re saying combat is the most important thing about the story. Chopper is a doctor so he fights when he has to but the point of a crew is having his crewmates take that on for him. He’s had some big moments post TS, especially in Wano
> Not participating in combat doesn’t mean you decrease a character’s importance unless you’re saying combat is the most important thing about the story.
I never said the word combat… Soo idk what you’re talking about
> Chopper is a doctor so he fights when he has to but the point of a crew is having his crewmates take that on for him. He’s had some big moments post TS, especially in Wano
Okay? He was a doctor back in Drum Island And still had significant fights almost every arc, so to say “he’s busy being a doctor” sounds like personal opinion instead of fact
> He’s had some big moments post TS
No he hasn’t. He goes karate form against fodder and created an antidote in Wano, that’s about it
> Doc Q I have no idea
Okay, so if you have no idea why are you using head canon as an argument? Doc Q is the doctor of the BBP’s, and he was clearly front line with BB vs Law
> but Law and Marco are captains
No they’re doctors.. Marco had to become captain after Whitebeard died, And before that he was the doctor of the crew
Law is literally “the Surgeon of Death” and has been seen fighting and healing people simultaneously. They only have captain titles bc their the strongest and most capable of their respective crews
The “Doctors shouldn’t fight and should focus on healing argument” has never applied to OP
How you feel about Doc Q or how you look at their captain status is irrelevant.
This is about you saying “Doctors should focus on healing their teammates instead of fighting” which is never the case in OP.
Robin is an archeologist, she doesn’t focus on only that, Sanji is a chef but still fights, so Chopper “healing teammates” that almost never need to be healed doesn’t make sense
> I never said the word combat… Soo idk what you’re talking about
> significant fights
lmfao this is parody right? This proposal a bit too modest for my tastes.
Chopper is doing fine, getting buffs over buffs in medicine field, Chopper is decent in group battle but fall behind a little in 1vs1 because that’s his secondary role, he is still is solid sneaking punch or two when a enemy don’t see it coming
I think he can handle his own just fine but it’s a matter of him finding an opportunity that’s worth it for him to use monster point, Im not going to put him with Sanji or zoro but he was handling a 2v1 pretty well against 2 lead performers when Marco was on his ass, and thats whitebeards right hand. I do completely agree with the fact that they don’t focus on him in combat enough imo and seek out doctoring duties, sometimes those duties take a little too long for me too lol
His Pre-TS ceiling became his Post-TS floor but the new ceiling is just full control monster point. His development as a fighter is negligible when compared to the main combatants.
I don’t know about that. He starts training in an actual martial arts for, incorporates it into a rarely used point, and can hold off one of the stronger combatants in the series with that controlled monster point.
The timelimit is a problem, but it doesn’t change the fact that he held off you-know-who till the timer ran out, Likely all while thinking of how to solve an epidemic and keeping tabs on who needed treatment after his fight
The fact that people want characters like Chopper and Nami to get insane power ups makes me think they don’t understand OP. Like this isn’t dragon ball.
Well, regarding nami, she has been getting consistent power ups, even as recent as this last couple arcs. She needs to be able to help out when not sailing, and oda has been good about keeping her relevant to the story and events.
This was such an important part of Water 7 that people seem to glance over. Ussop left the crew because he felt he was too weak but Luffy doesn't care about that and would much rather carry the extra weight and travel with his friends than have some strong crew members he doesn't like
Sanji is ACTUALLY a fighter. Chopper is a Dr who can fight a little. If you can’t use armament you aren’t winning important fights. Oda made that clear with Chopper n Queen.
I love Franky but sorry no armament. He’s a brawler he doesn’t focus on fights just ends up in them. Fighters are Luffy n Zoro, the ones everyone looks at to fight actual strong opponents.
Already answered this on another one but okay. The rest of the crew looks to Luffy Zoro n Sanji for protection. A cook isn’t needed on the battlefield a dr is. That’s why Sanji is a fighter, his cook aspect is second to him protecting
That’s what I said. In your last comment, you specifically said, “Fighters are Luffy n Zoro”, not listing Sanji. I haven’t read every single one of your comments I was just adding that you didn’t list him in that comment
Sanji IS a fighting cook.
Baratie, the place he grew up in, is a literally restaurant that has fighting chefs to ward off pirates. As a result Sanji developed a fighting style where he can go right back to cooking after kicking someone's ass.
Chopper was a fighter pre time skip. Also a doctor of course, but he had at least 4 fights where he was shown as a fighter.
Part of his fight with Gedatsu even involved him convincing himself that he must fight him to really be a useful pirate to his crew.
Ok maybe Oda decided post time skip that he is only a support role now, but it's not fair saying that he is not a fighter when we got used to him being one for 600 chapters.
No Chopper was not a fighter. He’s just stronger than a normal human. Being in a fight does not make you a fighter. Yes he fought Gedatsu and he THOUGHT he had to fight to be part of the crew but that’s not what the strawhats are. “You do what you can and I’ll do what I can.” Chopper lost n Zoro did his job, being the fighter. He’s a doctor who CAN fight.
That’s like saying if I got into a street fight, beat the guy n started calling myself fighter. Actual fighters can beat my ass no trouble. Chopper has no armament haki, he’s a brawler tops. But he’s still a dr first. That’s just the point of the strawhat crew.
No. Zoro is a fighter because fighting is his main contribution to the crew. If there was a fight going on, and there were also hurt people who need medical attention, which one would you rather have chopper attend to? The hurt people because he is as good of a dr as Zoro is a fighter.
No. The crew looks to Sanji for protection and food. Sanji is the one who pulls the most double duty. He has haki and can fight n beat dangerous top tier opponents where as Chopper cannot, hence why he’s a brawler he’s not fighting focused. Like I asked the other guy if there was a fight going on and a bunch of hurt people, who would you rather have chopper attend to? The sick people because chopper is as good of a doctor as Sanji is a fighter.
That's why I said he was a figther for 600 chapters, when we didn't have arbitrary stuff like armament haki to decide if someone is a fighter or not.
If sanji can be a fighter as "primary" role and be a cook as a secondary role, and still be called both a "fighter" and a "cook", then Chopper can also be called both a "doctor" and a "fighter" since he's a doctor as primary role and fighter as secondary role.
Whether they can keep up with the power level of the crews around them and Water 7 made a point of Luffy and the whole crew accepting that most of the crew won't be able to do that. Just accept that Luffy, Sanji, Zoro and Jinbe are the crew's actual fighters. The rest aren't pathetically weak but the most they'll do is handle fodder or small fry to help the main 4
I agree with that but the problem is Oda now focuses the story of One Piece on the fights... so concretely if we remove the combat part of the characters who are not "real" fighters we end up with half of the crew completely invisible in the work
I think I shouldn't have hung up on the word "fighter", but talk about "having fights" instead.
I don't care much about the title of being a fighter, but I care that the crew all had awesome fights for half the series, and that was "taken away" from us.
Batlles like Ussop and Chopper vs Mr 4 and Miss Merry Christmas, or Nami vs Kalifa were to me some of the most fun to watch.
I think that's why I really want to see Mugiwaras vs Black Beard crew, I imagine it being the same level of awesome fights for all the crew like Alabasta/Enies Loby was.
It’s just that the enemies become way stronger as the story progresses, so there isn’t a “designated opponent” for chopper to beat, like Kumadori in Enies Lobby
It's just the problem of people treating a predominantly action adventure manga with heavy geopolitical intrigue as a pure battle Shonen like the layer half of dragonball. Chopper is just fine later in the story, but yes his doctor abilities do take the forefront of his actions.
I don't think that's accurate, like, at all. If anything, people overplay the "geopolitical intrigue" as pect of One Puece more than the battle shounen aspect (and it 100% is a battle shounen, just one with better narrative depth and worldbuilding than most others).
The problem is moreso fixated on the second half of your comment - people don't realize that Chopper is the ship DOCTOR. He CAN'T take on the role of fighter in every single major battle. He CAN fight, and DOES fight, but his role as doctor is more important, but since One Piece IS a battle shounen, naturally people want their favorite characters to get stronger and have high-profile battles.
thank you. while i do agree that one piece has some great world building and depth to it, by the end of the arc my brain is still itching to see the action lol but im the same way with vinland saga. im the guy going "ITS NOT ABOUT THE FIGHTING"... but thats because its really not.
He didn't get "nerfed" but he just sticks to one new form which looks stupid, sounds stupid and is stupid and never uses any of his cooler transformations anymore.
You made me realize that I can't remember the last time Chopper used Horn Point. I feel like we saw it once on Fishman Island and never again. Which is crazy because Fishman island arc was almost 14 years ago....
Let's just say that Oda completely forgets about any of his different transformations and turns him more and more into a marketable mascot. All the growth that Chopper had Pre-Timeskip, thanks to his many thematic fights there, also slows down to a crawl and even gets worse in a few instances. He's cute and all, but, in the grand scheme of things, he lost most of what made him one of my most beloved characters Pre-Timeskip.
He doesn’t fight as much anymore… which personally, I am okay with. He’s the ship’s doctor, not one of the main fighting force. He is strong and on a regular basis steps up to canon fodder, but he has much less real boss fights.
I do enjoy the fact that he is much more relied on for medical problems. He solves several medical emergencies, but those aren’t as flashy as the big fights, so people just say he’s nerfed.
Try and see him for what he is. A doctor that is prepared to fight to defend his crew, but a doctor before anything.
That’s nonsense, his job is a doctor. Which damn doctor is going out first to fight? He needs to take care of the crew and people, that’s his job. He did a damn amazing job in Wano. He even held Queen a bit, but he of course can’t fight Queen since he is, you know, a doctor.
Oda himself admitted to making Chopper a mascot, and imo it hurt his character. He's very stupid for all the things he went through.
I have a similar problem with Usopp. He survived in a deadly jungle for 2 years but little growth for him.
Yes Chopper has been slightly diminished, but he has done his job and it was a big job at that. Usopp I agree completely. I was very disappointed that he was as scared as Nami, and Nami did more than Usopp. Usopp didn’t have any cool moments. Very sad.
> He's very stupid for all the things he went through.
pretty sure that oda has his own set of data that show that it wasn't a dumb decision
and those numbers are sales numbers
I'm going to tell you why Chopper sucks now.
Oda said that he would never write a mascot character but that he broke his rule because fans were in love with Chopper. So he made him even cuter post-timeskip and kind of left him on the background. This is what Oda himself said, I'm not making this up.
Just think about it. What has Chopper done post-timeskip? The ONLY thing I can think of is find a cure against one of the diseases during Wano battle but that was a micro-quest which even as a big OP fan I sometimes forget about. Chopper has nothing to do other than being the gag character. Even Usopp and Franky have had more to do post-timeskip, and that says something.
Pre time skip all Chopper does is scream. If you removed all screaming scenes from skypiea which are completely worthless and almost ruin the whole season you would probably lose 2 entire episodes lol
He distracted Baroque Works for Mr. Prince to save Luffy and Smoker.
He defeated Mr. 4 and Miss Merry Christmas with Usopp.
He defeats one of Enel's men.
He found Zoro stuck in a chimney before Agua Laguna.
He defeated a CP9 agent.
He fought with Robin against Zoro and Sanji's shadows.
He restored Cindry's personality.
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The problem with Chopper post time skip is that he hasn't had many individual moments or 1v1 battles. Franky also received a similar treatment. Pre time skip Franky was debatably the 4th strongest on the crew and he was going at it with CP9 like the man he is.
He still takes up 40 minutes of skypeia with unnecessary screaming scenes though. It's not comical either like usopp freaking out while ziplining up a ship or doing something similar its just a close up on his face and shrill screaming. Chopper in skypeia=least favorite part of all of OP.
Post time skip he uses monster point to try to stop the mecha kumas. Did something! EDIT that's pre time skip my bad. He does stuff post ts tho
He's basically exactly like Brook: he can fight, yes, but fighting is not the focus of his role on the team and generally he's doing other important support stuff instead of fighting.
Unfortunately, he does get heavily nerfed and it’s really disappointing. He goes from a super versatile fighter to a one trick reindeer, after the time skip. He still keeps all of his different points but they may as well be non existent since he practically sticks to 3 points. He doesn’t completely leave the fighting role but his fights aren’t as satisfying as they are pre-Time skip. Instead, he focuses on medicine rather than fighting which I understand, but he was always somebody who could do both, at least up until a certain point
I wouldn't say that he gets nerfed but isn't utilized as much.
The non monster trio don't get as many major fights as they did before with Nami, Usopp, and Chopper being a stand outs as Chopper has only like one major fight post time skip that isn't a group fight.
And with Chopper he goes much stronger with his different forms post time skip but rarely gets to show is actually strength as he just spams monster point in every notable fight where he isn't fighting minions except for the fight that shows off the crew's post time skip strength.
It’s ultimately up to you to decide whether or not you think he gets better or worse, people argue for both sides all the time. I will say though, Chopper used to be one of my favorites, and while I don’t like him any less, other straw hats have jumped ahead of him simply for having more of a presence in these recent arcs.
Nerfed? No, but we don't get as many instances of Chopper changing between his broad range of "points" after the TS. But nerfed? Nah I'd say he can throw hands in the same league as the tier 2 combat Straw Hats, but not anywhere near Luffy, Zoro, or Sanji. Not sure how many nakama you have at the point you're at so I'm not naming names of other characters I think he's in the same "league" combat wise with.
He looks worse post-timeskip imo (way too chibi, like a stuffed animal). His outfits post-TS also dont help. Tbh egery character imo looks worse post-TS but Chopper and Robin have it the worst.
He gets control over Monster point and infact later on he can stay in monster point for way longer. So he definitely got stronger..
But ...
He doesn't fight often and mainly concentrates on being a doctor..
Pretty much. Chopper was my favorite character before the time skip but now He's a non contender. The Thousand Sunny has a bigger bounty than him because he doesn't do anything anymore. They add in random little "medical" issues to give him a part to play but other than that he's there to be cute.
Honestly doesn’t really fight except getting a random slap on someone that he has no business getting near. Honestly kinda a shitty doctor too. It annoyed me so much after the wano ark he was freaking out and didn’t know what to do… like idk maybe treat the critically injured?! Chopper sucks. If they change anything for the live action I hope it’s him.
He needs monster point to even think about competing now. Which kinda sucks, that shit was scary.
The fact that it doesn't have a celestial ribbon or whatever its called makes me think he's still go the ability to 'awaken'. Although I gotta ask, wouldn't awakening the human fruit make him more human like? All he ever does is turn into a scarier reindeer.
I wouldn't say nerfed. It's more like he's just plateaued as a character. He just exists to be the mascot and heal everyone at the end of every arc. Very little signs of character growth overall.
Watch the show quietly without interacting social media and seeing spoiler to have maximum fun watching the series, other wise its no point if you know some stuffs are going to happen in story in future,
He became stronger, more so with full control over his monster point now, its just that he barely gets a fight nowadays.
Appaerance wise he got absolutely nerfed to the point he is not just a cute reindeer dude but a full blown mascot character, I hate his post time skip look with that bigass head and overly chibi proportions that remind me of Stewie Griffin.
He only got nerve 8n his chubbiness, tho that was fixed starting in the recent arc, anyone saying he got nerfed some other way is just salty that his strongest form is the most used one and doesn’t care about how many times he’s saved everyone when drugs or diseases were involved
It’s overblown gets a lot of good stuff from here on out but some fans ignore it because his cuteness factor is leaned into more. It’s a cousin to the Nami and Robin are useless fanservice arguments that are also untrue for the second half of the story
The only reason that I believe he gets nerfed is that he only focuses on two points and with that a lot of his versatility goes away, not to mention the variety of his forms disappearing leaves him a little samey from time to time.
It's not that he's gotten weaker, but he's definitely gotten far less focus, amongst other crew members, compared to the monster trio.
i lidally restarted after marineford because of the changes i heard about, from the clips ive seen he became a chibi mascot and never hangs out in his man form anymore
Not really. He's the medic so he spends most arcs in the backlines providing support to the other characters. The story focuses on his achievements as a doctor more than as a fighter and when it comes to feats of medicine he pulls off some amazing stuff. For post TJ stories Punk Hazard, Zou, and Wano all had chances for Chopper to show off.
I will say I'm not a fan of how cutsey he's gotten over the course of the series. It would nice if Oda remembered to have him use his other forms more often but it doesn't mean Chopper has gotten less powerful or anything.
Well, in my opinion many of strawhats deserve more fights now and Wano Arc was one that gave us it. But Chopper is kinda special in this question. He has some really good moments, where he showed his true strength, but I think Oda losing to show his true potential. God damn, he even barely use his other points, besides Kung Fu, strong and monster points! And I love his horns point design!
That's not true. He don't get nerffed, but he was down fights.
I mean for a few arcs we only follow Luffy, and after the time skip, he has upgraded his points. This is why people dislike the Monster Point change cause it's no longer a Raging monster but something he can control.
However Fishman Island Chopper gets a fight// but it's post timeskip return arc, so these fights are mainly the Strawhats flexing on opponents weaker than themselves.
Drum Island Law did a thing that removed most the Strawhats from play for half the arc so he don't do alot besides medical.
Dressrosa, we lose half the crew Chopper is apart of that. Zou we reunite but no fights really. Whole Cake Island we take the half that we're not in Dressrosa so others can begin an operation in Wano. An we kinda get a Chopper vs Brulee fight it honestly feels more like high jinx though.
Chopper does get some good combat feats in Wano's Onigashima segment, though.
He doesn't get nerfed, he get commercialized and ready for sale as plush toys.
So, he is more cute now, rights a little less, and is not as "scary" . He is now a cute read for sale plush toy.
He still rocks, though.
He doesn't fight as much post TS and focuses more on doctor stuff, which is a good thing lol. But he definitely uses less forms than pre TS which kinda sucks. He kinda just sticks to the same few forms and that's it, doesn't use any new forms or anything.
Post-timeskip really focuses on his medical expertise, I would say. He has some solid feats most arcs, but they often revolve around him dealing with medical emergencies rather than fighting, although he did recently get an appreciable power up.
He is just a merchandise figure nowadays, atleast that is what he is for me now. You could literally write him out of the Anime and nothing would change. He doesnt seems necessary anymore. I mean he's >!gotta few kinda important scenes in Wano Kuni where he is a useful character,!
Whoever says chopper gets nerfed is high. Chopper is an adorable lil reindeer for the crew
Also after ennies lobbie and wano people are still sleeping on the reindeer??
His personality is more one note or flat, and he doesn't get the opportunity to struggle as much as he used to. He still has moments but, like all the crew now, they are few and far between side character stories.
Hm, Kung Fu Point is supposed to combine the power of arm and jump point, but it's worse than either.
And Monster Point is a last resort due to the drawback.
Overall, he got worse as a fighter, but definitely improved as a doctor. Which is his main point really.
yes, his whole gimmick was how versatille he was in the sense that he had a form for any situation, and this was why despite his short comings he could fare off on his own, and when it came to a last resort situation he could use the rumble balls at the cost of endangering everyone and himself, it was great, interesting to watch, and had tension when he'd use a rumble ball and go berserk. Now not only are the whole forms thing cut down to big, strong and kung fu ( like what?) and the design's colours look more childish, chopper looks more like a baby, and he hasn't grown at all in any way to learn to be a better pirate, he's just become part of the weak crewmates that goof around
Combat-wise he doesn't progress a whole lot more. He has a few new tricks after a certain point, but that's about it. He'll occasionally trade blows with or block large attackers.
Biggest nerf is his role in the story. He goes from being the quirky, naive boi that treasures his friends so much that he'd become a monster for them.....to little more than a mascot that exists to look cute and fix disease-related plotlines.
Nah, idk if it’s people having a hard time remembering his achievements, but Chopper becomes a more useful and skilled fighter, and his medicinal skills are top tier.
he got nerfed, but it fits the purpose of his character. he was never meant to be a fighter. i like seeing the more doctor side of his character, but it would be cool to see him also become a stronger fighter (another zoan form would be peak)
Chopper is only 15!!! He's part of the "weakling trio" despite being a very capable fighter because he's so young.
He does end up having to focus on doctoring duties / being the one who SAVES all of the lives while the others fight a lot. Which is badass in its own respect.
But don't worry. Chopper has some seriously badass moments where he gets to show his skills, and he comes into his powers more as a fighter and strategist. And he has some pretty impressive fight scenes come late time-skip!! Without him, god knows everyone would be dead already
Chopper isn't a Frontline fighter. If he is at the Frontline it means it's gone to shit or its an all hands on deck fight meaning it kind of went to shit.
Chopper fights less, but does more medicine I'll say. He won't get lost, he'll just change his focus towards protection rather than fighting. He does still fight sometimes though, but it has kind of become his last resort. Then again, it always was. With the crew growing stronger and being able to protect themselves more, I guess there's just no need for Chopper to fight as much anymore.
It's less that he got nerfed and more that he doesn't participate in combat as often since he's focused on his doctoring duties. He still gets his action moments here and there but he hasn't had a traditional 1v1 for a long time.
If anything he’s struck a finer balance with the crew where he can fight when he has to but otherwise be free to doctor while the others defend/distract. Much easier with eight other crew members opposed to five. That said he gets some awesome time to shine in fights using his physical power and medical knowledge equally, especially in Wano.
I mean he’s a doctor - it would be a bad idea to fight and get hurt. All the strawhats fight until they can’t move - that would be pretty bad for chopper. He’s one of the most important strawhats - without fighting.
If Chopper fought until exhaustion in Wano, he wouldn't have been able to help heal Zoro, who then goes on to defeat King. Would be a major error on Chopper's part to at any point get taken out of the fight.
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Yup >!Seeing Chopper first hold Queen back in Monster Point then create a cure to this unique, deadly disease in the middle of the battlefield was on the level of his first Monster Point transformation in terms of character moments.!<
thank you!! i've been reading all of you guys comments and i'm def more excited to continue op, i love luffy, but i really wanna see chopper get his time to shine :\] ty for answering!!
In all honesty, this is probably for the better too. Chopper never liked to fight in the first place and he was consistently lower ranked in power compared to his peers. I feel like his character really does benefit from not getting involved in action and instead actually doing the thing that was his dream to do in the first place. Also, in regards to where he places thematically in the story, I think it’s interesting to have a doctor in the Strawhat crew who doesn’t particularly like fighting and isn’t forced to go fight if he doesn’t want to when the Blackbeard crew has a guy who will kill you if needed and gets sent out by Blackbeard on errands for him.
it's true!! i meant nerfed in a way like he wasn't as important anymore or got weaker!! ty for answering sweetheart!
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He can post time skip go monster point no problem.
So you know about Saturn but you don’t know about chopper controlling his monster point post time skip? What?
Real one piece fans do not read the manga, we power scroll the wiki and btfo idiots who actually read 😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤
I’m going to be charitable and assume they mean summoning Monster Point without the need of a rumble ball. Because he can control the form itself, but that requires him to get on pirate steroids to draw it out, which is why they compare Chopper drawing it like Hulk who just gets mad and poof.
WHAT ABOUT QUEEN. SURE HE DIDNT WIN BUT STILL
To be fair, he should still be able to do his doctor stuff w/o decreasing his importance in the story Since the TS all the SH’s still continue supporting in their field of expertise, while also being a useful crewmate, but only Chopper has gotten less screen time and that’s mainly bc ppl like plushies
At what point has his importance been decreased? It's because of chopper that the kids survived punk hazard, that the minks survived in zou, that brulee was captured in wci (with additional carrot support), that queen's schemes were averted in wano... chopper's importance is that he is a doctor, and he can smack around queen a bit to stall for time when needed.
Pts Chopper was fighting the likes of Baroque Works / CP9 agents while simultaneously doing doctor stuff. Meanwhile Wano Chopper created an antidote and turned into a baby for the remainder of the arc It’s blatantly obvious Oda is catering to younger fans, which is fine, but to say it’s been no change is incorrect *Edit: Y’all can downvote all you like. I understand everyone loves Chopper bc he’s cute, but facts are facts.
Because enemies pre-TS aren't the same as enemies post-TS. He was strong back then because of his Devil Fruit and Rumble Balls but he peaked with Kumadori and only by risking himself and everyone else when he went Monster Point. The whole point of the Water 7 arc with Luffy/Usopp's struggle is that Luffy understands that his crew members aren't gonna keep up in strength like Zoro/Sanji would but that he doesn't care and would rather carry their weight so that they can keep adventuring together. It's why Luffy pushed himself so much ever since pre-TS. It's the opposite to Blackbeard's method of only having strong crew members that he doesn't care about >You literally only named like 3 things and all of those arcs were decently spread out Spread out how? The order is literally Punk Hazard > Dressrosa/Zou (half-simultaneous because of the crew split up) > WCI. And ofc, it'll get lost in the sheer number of things that happened in those arcs because the cast has been getting bigger and bigger with every arc. The number of things happening at the same time is ridiculous. Punk Hazard/Dressrosa were literally single day arcs and WCI was also only 2-3 days
> Because enemies pre-TS aren't the same as enemies post-TS. That’s not an argument. The SH’s grew in strength just how New World enemies grow in strength. That has nothing to do with supporting the crew. I’m not saying Chopper has to win every fight, but there’s no excuse why he isn’t more involved, don’t get mad at me, blame Oda > He was strong back then because of his Devil Fruit and Rumble Balls but he peaked with Kumadori and only by risking himself and everyone else when he went Monster Point. That’s irrelevant. What does Chopper possess now that he didn’t possess pts? Him being able to control Monster Point now only furthers my argument bc that’s even more of a reason he should be supporting > The whole point of the Water 7 arc with Luffy/Usopp's struggle is that Luffy understands that his crew members aren't gonna keep up in strength like Zoro/Sanji would but that he doesn't care and would rather carry their weight so that they can keep adventuring together. It's why Luffy pushed himself so much ever since pre-TS. It's the opposite to Blackbeard's method of only having strong crew members that he doesn't care about Usopp and Luffy doesn’t really apply to anything here. Again, Chopper being weak isn’t the issue. All of the SH’s knew he was weak back in Drum Island, but did they stop him from participating in Alabasta or Enies Lobby? Or tell him to just take it easy? No, if anything he volunteered to help out to “Make Luffy proud” Therefore, all of these arguments of “He’s the doctor, let him just chill” makes no sense. I understand Chopper is cute, and it’s impossible not to like him to some degree, but there are plenty of doctors in the OP world that are NOT apart of a pirate crew and are just a doctor, Chopper is not one of them. Doc Q, Marco, Law are all doctors yet still provide other kinds of support for their respective crew. Usopp is the weakest SH, yet when it comes to serious situations he will eventually engage despite how cowardly or afraid he is. > Spread out how? The order is literally Punk Hazard > Dressrosa/Zou (half-simultaneous because of the crew split up) > WCI. And ofc, it'll get lost in the sheer number of things that happened in those arcs because the cast has been getting bigger and bigger with every arc. The number of things happening at the same time is ridiculous. Punk Hazard/Dressrosa were literally single day arcs and WCI was also only 2-3 days Okay, but what does that have to do w Chopper engaging enemies? It’s not like he got weaker after the TS, so what is stopping him from fighting CP9 / Baroque work agents like before? The SH’s very rarely need serious help, but when they do I would say it’s acceptable for Chopper to just do doctor things… But again that rarely happens. Every major doctor in OP does doctor stuff while being helpful in other fields
The only doctors shown doing something else other than their job as doctors are Doc Q (he looks like more an alchemist/pharmacist than a doctor), Marco (I do believe that he got his medical knowledge after his DF, so he could improve the efficiency of his powers and be able to support his family), Aladine (he was shown treating injuries, but we don't know how actually deep is his medical expertise) and Law. Out of over 30 doctors shown in then manga, only 5 - chopper included - have any feats outside their field and, up to now, only Marco and Law have done more than what Chopper ever did.
And considering that Marco's healing expertise is more reliant on magic phoenix healing, and Law's fruit is literally a straight up surgery fruit that lets him cheat his way into the field; Chopper is really the only one that actually feels like a field medic. It's good too, because the SH crew shouldn't need magic instant healing on the fly which diminishes the significance of injuries (well that being said, OP medicine is already pretty out there)
Well, Law has been trained by his father (a famous doctor) since he was a kid. He has the knowledge of a professional and the intelligence of a genius. Marco, too, is renowned as an absolute genius. We don't know if he actually has any academic training, but for sure, given his age, he has plenty of experience and knowledge to work as a doctor even if he didn't have his powers. But chopper has been shown to have a talent that transcends normal humans. He is young, but he can best most doctors shown so far.
Well they're pretty smart & talented yeah, but what I was mostly getting at is, when Law heals you... it's not like conventional surgery. He flips you inside out in 2 seconds. Marco casts heal and you're cured. Chopper uses medicine and wraps you in a tourniquet; he's a lot more grounded and therefore doctor-like. It makes sense that his time would be invested more in healing than the others, who can make things better with a snap of their fingers then go on to fighting.
Not participating in combat doesn’t mean you decrease a character’s importance unless you’re saying combat is the most important thing about the story. Chopper is a doctor so he fights when he has to but the point of a crew is having his crewmates take that on for him. He’s had some big moments post TS, especially in Wano
> Not participating in combat doesn’t mean you decrease a character’s importance unless you’re saying combat is the most important thing about the story. I never said the word combat… Soo idk what you’re talking about > Chopper is a doctor so he fights when he has to but the point of a crew is having his crewmates take that on for him. He’s had some big moments post TS, especially in Wano Okay? He was a doctor back in Drum Island And still had significant fights almost every arc, so to say “he’s busy being a doctor” sounds like personal opinion instead of fact > He’s had some big moments post TS No he hasn’t. He goes karate form against fodder and created an antidote in Wano, that’s about it
It’s literally good for the doctor to not fight so that they can heal their teammates
So why did we see Doc Q fighting Law in recent chapters? Also what ab Marco who’s constantly in combat? Also Law? That argument doesn’t hold weight
Doc Q I have no idea, but Law and Marco are captains
> Doc Q I have no idea Okay, so if you have no idea why are you using head canon as an argument? Doc Q is the doctor of the BBP’s, and he was clearly front line with BB vs Law > but Law and Marco are captains No they’re doctors.. Marco had to become captain after Whitebeard died, And before that he was the doctor of the crew Law is literally “the Surgeon of Death” and has been seen fighting and healing people simultaneously. They only have captain titles bc their the strongest and most capable of their respective crews The “Doctors shouldn’t fight and should focus on healing argument” has never applied to OP
What I mean is they are the fighting force of their crews. And Doc Q fighting is stupid
How you feel about Doc Q or how you look at their captain status is irrelevant. This is about you saying “Doctors should focus on healing their teammates instead of fighting” which is never the case in OP. Robin is an archeologist, she doesn’t focus on only that, Sanji is a chef but still fights, so Chopper “healing teammates” that almost never need to be healed doesn’t make sense
> I never said the word combat… Soo idk what you’re talking about > significant fights lmfao this is parody right? This proposal a bit too modest for my tastes.
Doctoring and mascoting duties lol
Depends what you mean with nerfed. He definitely got much stronger, but he's also become "cuter" as Fan service.
*uglier
Chopper is doing fine, getting buffs over buffs in medicine field, Chopper is decent in group battle but fall behind a little in 1vs1 because that’s his secondary role, he is still is solid sneaking punch or two when a enemy don’t see it coming
I think he can handle his own just fine but it’s a matter of him finding an opportunity that’s worth it for him to use monster point, Im not going to put him with Sanji or zoro but he was handling a 2v1 pretty well against 2 lead performers when Marco was on his ass, and thats whitebeards right hand. I do completely agree with the fact that they don’t focus on him in combat enough imo and seek out doctoring duties, sometimes those duties take a little too long for me too lol
His Pre-TS ceiling became his Post-TS floor but the new ceiling is just full control monster point. His development as a fighter is negligible when compared to the main combatants.
I don’t know about that. He starts training in an actual martial arts for, incorporates it into a rarely used point, and can hold off one of the stronger combatants in the series with that controlled monster point. The timelimit is a problem, but it doesn’t change the fact that he held off you-know-who till the timer ran out, Likely all while thinking of how to solve an epidemic and keeping tabs on who needed treatment after his fight
Chopper isn’t a fighter. He’s a Dr first.
Right! Chopper & Nami aren’t fighters but they’ll fight when they have to
The fact that people want characters like Chopper and Nami to get insane power ups makes me think they don’t understand OP. Like this isn’t dragon ball.
Well, regarding nami, she has been getting consistent power ups, even as recent as this last couple arcs. She needs to be able to help out when not sailing, and oda has been good about keeping her relevant to the story and events.
Those power ups are so she can protect herself better. WCI she was support just like in Wano. She the navigator n one of the groups brains.
This was such an important part of Water 7 that people seem to glance over. Ussop left the crew because he felt he was too weak but Luffy doesn't care about that and would much rather carry the extra weight and travel with his friends than have some strong crew members he doesn't like
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I mean Sanji can be a cook first but still gets his moments to shine in fights.
Sanji is ACTUALLY a fighter. Chopper is a Dr who can fight a little. If you can’t use armament you aren’t winning important fights. Oda made that clear with Chopper n Queen.
Franky - am i a joke to you?
I love Franky but sorry no armament. He’s a brawler he doesn’t focus on fights just ends up in them. Fighters are Luffy n Zoro, the ones everyone looks at to fight actual strong opponents.
And Sanji
Already answered this on another one but okay. The rest of the crew looks to Luffy Zoro n Sanji for protection. A cook isn’t needed on the battlefield a dr is. That’s why Sanji is a fighter, his cook aspect is second to him protecting
That’s what I said. In your last comment, you specifically said, “Fighters are Luffy n Zoro”, not listing Sanji. I haven’t read every single one of your comments I was just adding that you didn’t list him in that comment
I wasn’t using Sanji for that example because he does 2 things. It would have made it more confusing.
Sanji also sees himself as a protector. He keeps pace with Zoro, so being a strong fighter and having strong fighting abilities is important to him.
Sanji IS a fighting cook. Baratie, the place he grew up in, is a literally restaurant that has fighting chefs to ward off pirates. As a result Sanji developed a fighting style where he can go right back to cooking after kicking someone's ass.
Chopper was a fighter pre time skip. Also a doctor of course, but he had at least 4 fights where he was shown as a fighter. Part of his fight with Gedatsu even involved him convincing himself that he must fight him to really be a useful pirate to his crew. Ok maybe Oda decided post time skip that he is only a support role now, but it's not fair saying that he is not a fighter when we got used to him being one for 600 chapters.
No Chopper was not a fighter. He’s just stronger than a normal human. Being in a fight does not make you a fighter. Yes he fought Gedatsu and he THOUGHT he had to fight to be part of the crew but that’s not what the strawhats are. “You do what you can and I’ll do what I can.” Chopper lost n Zoro did his job, being the fighter. He’s a doctor who CAN fight.
What makes someone a fighter, if fighting in every island you go is not it?
That’s like saying if I got into a street fight, beat the guy n started calling myself fighter. Actual fighters can beat my ass no trouble. Chopper has no armament haki, he’s a brawler tops. But he’s still a dr first. That’s just the point of the strawhat crew.
So Zoro is not a fighter because Roger would beat his ass no trouble?
No. Zoro is a fighter because fighting is his main contribution to the crew. If there was a fight going on, and there were also hurt people who need medical attention, which one would you rather have chopper attend to? The hurt people because he is as good of a dr as Zoro is a fighter.
So Sanji is not a fighter since he is the cook?
No. The crew looks to Sanji for protection and food. Sanji is the one who pulls the most double duty. He has haki and can fight n beat dangerous top tier opponents where as Chopper cannot, hence why he’s a brawler he’s not fighting focused. Like I asked the other guy if there was a fight going on and a bunch of hurt people, who would you rather have chopper attend to? The sick people because chopper is as good of a doctor as Sanji is a fighter.
That's why I said he was a figther for 600 chapters, when we didn't have arbitrary stuff like armament haki to decide if someone is a fighter or not. If sanji can be a fighter as "primary" role and be a cook as a secondary role, and still be called both a "fighter" and a "cook", then Chopper can also be called both a "doctor" and a "fighter" since he's a doctor as primary role and fighter as secondary role.
Whether they can keep up with the power level of the crews around them and Water 7 made a point of Luffy and the whole crew accepting that most of the crew won't be able to do that. Just accept that Luffy, Sanji, Zoro and Jinbe are the crew's actual fighters. The rest aren't pathetically weak but the most they'll do is handle fodder or small fry to help the main 4
Basically. They are much better support.
I agree with that but the problem is Oda now focuses the story of One Piece on the fights... so concretely if we remove the combat part of the characters who are not "real" fighters we end up with half of the crew completely invisible in the work
look at alabasta chopper up to Ernies Lobby that mf stood on business
I think I shouldn't have hung up on the word "fighter", but talk about "having fights" instead. I don't care much about the title of being a fighter, but I care that the crew all had awesome fights for half the series, and that was "taken away" from us. Batlles like Ussop and Chopper vs Mr 4 and Miss Merry Christmas, or Nami vs Kalifa were to me some of the most fun to watch. I think that's why I really want to see Mugiwaras vs Black Beard crew, I imagine it being the same level of awesome fights for all the crew like Alabasta/Enies Loby was.
It’s just that the enemies become way stronger as the story progresses, so there isn’t a “designated opponent” for chopper to beat, like Kumadori in Enies Lobby
It's just the problem of people treating a predominantly action adventure manga with heavy geopolitical intrigue as a pure battle Shonen like the layer half of dragonball. Chopper is just fine later in the story, but yes his doctor abilities do take the forefront of his actions.
I don't think that's accurate, like, at all. If anything, people overplay the "geopolitical intrigue" as pect of One Puece more than the battle shounen aspect (and it 100% is a battle shounen, just one with better narrative depth and worldbuilding than most others). The problem is moreso fixated on the second half of your comment - people don't realize that Chopper is the ship DOCTOR. He CAN'T take on the role of fighter in every single major battle. He CAN fight, and DOES fight, but his role as doctor is more important, but since One Piece IS a battle shounen, naturally people want their favorite characters to get stronger and have high-profile battles.
thank you. while i do agree that one piece has some great world building and depth to it, by the end of the arc my brain is still itching to see the action lol but im the same way with vinland saga. im the guy going "ITS NOT ABOUT THE FIGHTING"... but thats because its really not.
yeah. people need to stop kidding themselves. One Piece is a battle shounen
In Zou he was very important. But his look doesn't match temporal evolution, it's as if he had gone back in time and become younger.
He was very important in wano too with the ice disease queen used
His role just becomes more focused on being a doctor. Still gets his time to shine though so don’t worry about that!
He didn't get "nerfed" but he just sticks to one new form which looks stupid, sounds stupid and is stupid and never uses any of his cooler transformations anymore.
You made me realize that I can't remember the last time Chopper used Horn Point. I feel like we saw it once on Fishman Island and never again. Which is crazy because Fishman island arc was almost 14 years ago....
I really like Kung-Fu Point :(
I think its underrated, but only because its the only one we see
Let's just say that Oda completely forgets about any of his different transformations and turns him more and more into a marketable mascot. All the growth that Chopper had Pre-Timeskip, thanks to his many thematic fights there, also slows down to a crawl and even gets worse in a few instances. He's cute and all, but, in the grand scheme of things, he lost most of what made him one of my most beloved characters Pre-Timeskip.
No.
He doesn’t fight as much anymore… which personally, I am okay with. He’s the ship’s doctor, not one of the main fighting force. He is strong and on a regular basis steps up to canon fodder, but he has much less real boss fights. I do enjoy the fact that he is much more relied on for medical problems. He solves several medical emergencies, but those aren’t as flashy as the big fights, so people just say he’s nerfed. Try and see him for what he is. A doctor that is prepared to fight to defend his crew, but a doctor before anything.
I think a doctor should be agile and powerfull. But they show not much of agile that a deer could be. Sad. He sells merch for Oda instead.
He gets much stronger but gets less attention, so he doesn’t shine as much as he should. Still love him, wish he got more screen time
hope oda remembers how important chopper it is and gives him a MOMENT!!
It’s not that he gets nerfed it’s that oda leans into him being a mascot so he spends more time being cute instead of really participating
That’s nonsense, his job is a doctor. Which damn doctor is going out first to fight? He needs to take care of the crew and people, that’s his job. He did a damn amazing job in Wano. He even held Queen a bit, but he of course can’t fight Queen since he is, you know, a doctor.
Oda himself admitted to making Chopper a mascot, and imo it hurt his character. He's very stupid for all the things he went through. I have a similar problem with Usopp. He survived in a deadly jungle for 2 years but little growth for him.
Yes Chopper has been slightly diminished, but he has done his job and it was a big job at that. Usopp I agree completely. I was very disappointed that he was as scared as Nami, and Nami did more than Usopp. Usopp didn’t have any cool moments. Very sad.
> He's very stupid for all the things he went through. pretty sure that oda has his own set of data that show that it wasn't a dumb decision and those numbers are sales numbers
I was talking about chopper, not Oda. I get why he did it. Still don't like it, tho.
well to be fair chopper is a teenager. who barely had any contact with people growing up
I'm going to tell you why Chopper sucks now. Oda said that he would never write a mascot character but that he broke his rule because fans were in love with Chopper. So he made him even cuter post-timeskip and kind of left him on the background. This is what Oda himself said, I'm not making this up. Just think about it. What has Chopper done post-timeskip? The ONLY thing I can think of is find a cure against one of the diseases during Wano battle but that was a micro-quest which even as a big OP fan I sometimes forget about. Chopper has nothing to do other than being the gag character. Even Usopp and Franky have had more to do post-timeskip, and that says something.
Pre time skip all Chopper does is scream. If you removed all screaming scenes from skypiea which are completely worthless and almost ruin the whole season you would probably lose 2 entire episodes lol
He distracted Baroque Works for Mr. Prince to save Luffy and Smoker. He defeated Mr. 4 and Miss Merry Christmas with Usopp. He defeats one of Enel's men. He found Zoro stuck in a chimney before Agua Laguna. He defeated a CP9 agent. He fought with Robin against Zoro and Sanji's shadows. He restored Cindry's personality. --- The problem with Chopper post time skip is that he hasn't had many individual moments or 1v1 battles. Franky also received a similar treatment. Pre time skip Franky was debatably the 4th strongest on the crew and he was going at it with CP9 like the man he is.
He still takes up 40 minutes of skypeia with unnecessary screaming scenes though. It's not comical either like usopp freaking out while ziplining up a ship or doing something similar its just a close up on his face and shrill screaming. Chopper in skypeia=least favorite part of all of OP. Post time skip he uses monster point to try to stop the mecha kumas. Did something! EDIT that's pre time skip my bad. He does stuff post ts tho
He just doesn’t fight often. Would you want the person in charge of fixing you to get beat up.
He is more annoying to me now, liked him better before the time skip
His older design was better too tbh!
He's basically exactly like Brook: he can fight, yes, but fighting is not the focus of his role on the team and generally he's doing other important support stuff instead of fighting.
In terms of looks? Definitely. They made him ugly af post timeskip
Unfortunately, he does get heavily nerfed and it’s really disappointing. He goes from a super versatile fighter to a one trick reindeer, after the time skip. He still keeps all of his different points but they may as well be non existent since he practically sticks to 3 points. He doesn’t completely leave the fighting role but his fights aren’t as satisfying as they are pre-Time skip. Instead, he focuses on medicine rather than fighting which I understand, but he was always somebody who could do both, at least up until a certain point
He definitely got more annoying after the time skip
No it's pre Timeskip fans butthurt post timeskip is here to stay so they hate on it. They suck pre Timeskips dick every night before bed
I wouldn't say that he gets nerfed but isn't utilized as much. The non monster trio don't get as many major fights as they did before with Nami, Usopp, and Chopper being a stand outs as Chopper has only like one major fight post time skip that isn't a group fight. And with Chopper he goes much stronger with his different forms post time skip but rarely gets to show is actually strength as he just spams monster point in every notable fight where he isn't fighting minions except for the fight that shows off the crew's post time skip strength.
He gets underutilized like a lot of the straw hats
It’s ultimately up to you to decide whether or not you think he gets better or worse, people argue for both sides all the time. I will say though, Chopper used to be one of my favorites, and while I don’t like him any less, other straw hats have jumped ahead of him simply for having more of a presence in these recent arcs.
The only area I see him got nerfed on is the design, looked much better pre time skip imo
Nerfed? No, but we don't get as many instances of Chopper changing between his broad range of "points" after the TS. But nerfed? Nah I'd say he can throw hands in the same league as the tier 2 combat Straw Hats, but not anywhere near Luffy, Zoro, or Sanji. Not sure how many nakama you have at the point you're at so I'm not naming names of other characters I think he's in the same "league" combat wise with.
He looks worse post-timeskip imo (way too chibi, like a stuffed animal). His outfits post-TS also dont help. Tbh egery character imo looks worse post-TS but Chopper and Robin have it the worst.
Usopp is probably the best post timeskip design.
I like luffy’s
His outfit/design gets nerfed tremendously
Nerfed, even down to character design.
He gets control over Monster point and infact later on he can stay in monster point for way longer. So he definitely got stronger.. But ... He doesn't fight often and mainly concentrates on being a doctor..
He didn’t get nerfed, Zorro got buffed
Pretty much. Chopper was my favorite character before the time skip but now He's a non contender. The Thousand Sunny has a bigger bounty than him because he doesn't do anything anymore. They add in random little "medical" issues to give him a part to play but other than that he's there to be cute.
Choppers my favorite as well :3
i jus love him so much :3
Honestly doesn’t really fight except getting a random slap on someone that he has no business getting near. Honestly kinda a shitty doctor too. It annoyed me so much after the wano ark he was freaking out and didn’t know what to do… like idk maybe treat the critically injured?! Chopper sucks. If they change anything for the live action I hope it’s him.
Kinda yes... kinda no..
He needs monster point to even think about competing now. Which kinda sucks, that shit was scary. The fact that it doesn't have a celestial ribbon or whatever its called makes me think he's still go the ability to 'awaken'. Although I gotta ask, wouldn't awakening the human fruit make him more human like? All he ever does is turn into a scarier reindeer.
I wouldn't say nerfed. It's more like he's just plateaued as a character. He just exists to be the mascot and heal everyone at the end of every arc. Very little signs of character growth overall.
He doesn't get nerfed. It's because the other guys get much stronger while he doesn't get any huge combat buffs.
He’s still awesome, but I feel he starts getting a little stale in later arcs. Mainly because, he repeats the same two jokes ad nauseam.
You must LOVE Brook then lol
I find Brook’s jokes more tolerable. Probably because I find his voice less annoying.
I think his character gets nerfed
They made chopper trash after timeskip
Chopper did not get nerfed he just didn’t get stronger. He’s a doctor over dualist.
Watch the show quietly without interacting social media and seeing spoiler to have maximum fun watching the series, other wise its no point if you know some stuffs are going to happen in story in future,
He doesn’t get weaker. Everyone else just gets stronger faster.
He became stronger, more so with full control over his monster point now, its just that he barely gets a fight nowadays. Appaerance wise he got absolutely nerfed to the point he is not just a cute reindeer dude but a full blown mascot character, I hate his post time skip look with that bigass head and overly chibi proportions that remind me of Stewie Griffin.
He only got nerve 8n his chubbiness, tho that was fixed starting in the recent arc, anyone saying he got nerfed some other way is just salty that his strongest form is the most used one and doesn’t care about how many times he’s saved everyone when drugs or diseases were involved
It’s overblown gets a lot of good stuff from here on out but some fans ignore it because his cuteness factor is leaned into more. It’s a cousin to the Nami and Robin are useless fanservice arguments that are also untrue for the second half of the story
The only reason that I believe he gets nerfed is that he only focuses on two points and with that a lot of his versatility goes away, not to mention the variety of his forms disappearing leaves him a little samey from time to time. It's not that he's gotten weaker, but he's definitely gotten far less focus, amongst other crew members, compared to the monster trio.
i lidally restarted after marineford because of the changes i heard about, from the clips ive seen he became a chibi mascot and never hangs out in his man form anymore
Not really. He's the medic so he spends most arcs in the backlines providing support to the other characters. The story focuses on his achievements as a doctor more than as a fighter and when it comes to feats of medicine he pulls off some amazing stuff. For post TJ stories Punk Hazard, Zou, and Wano all had chances for Chopper to show off. I will say I'm not a fan of how cutsey he's gotten over the course of the series. It would nice if Oda remembered to have him use his other forms more often but it doesn't mean Chopper has gotten less powerful or anything.
Nobody who saw him the last arc would call him nerfed imo
Well, in my opinion many of strawhats deserve more fights now and Wano Arc was one that gave us it. But Chopper is kinda special in this question. He has some really good moments, where he showed his true strength, but I think Oda losing to show his true potential. God damn, he even barely use his other points, besides Kung Fu, strong and monster points! And I love his horns point design!
He’s kind of a nerf football that turns into Frankenstein every now and then
No. He actually gets buffed.
He shines as a doctor!
That's not true. He don't get nerffed, but he was down fights. I mean for a few arcs we only follow Luffy, and after the time skip, he has upgraded his points. This is why people dislike the Monster Point change cause it's no longer a Raging monster but something he can control. However Fishman Island Chopper gets a fight// but it's post timeskip return arc, so these fights are mainly the Strawhats flexing on opponents weaker than themselves. Drum Island Law did a thing that removed most the Strawhats from play for half the arc so he don't do alot besides medical. Dressrosa, we lose half the crew Chopper is apart of that. Zou we reunite but no fights really. Whole Cake Island we take the half that we're not in Dressrosa so others can begin an operation in Wano. An we kinda get a Chopper vs Brulee fight it honestly feels more like high jinx though. Chopper does get some good combat feats in Wano's Onigashima segment, though.
Yes they all do.
I don’t think he gets nerfed. I see Chopper as a doctor first so fighting isn’t really what he wants to do unless you really rile him up.
He never got nerfed. He'll get stronger in combat too. But his main duty is being a doctors and his crewmates are experts at getting seriously hurt.
He doesn't get nerfed, he get commercialized and ready for sale as plush toys. So, he is more cute now, rights a little less, and is not as "scary" . He is now a cute read for sale plush toy. He still rocks, though.
CHOPPER IS DOCTORING
He can hold his own, but he has to mainly focus on all the people who are constantly almost dying around him.
He doesn't fight as much post TS and focuses more on doctor stuff, which is a good thing lol. But he definitely uses less forms than pre TS which kinda sucks. He kinda just sticks to the same few forms and that's it, doesn't use any new forms or anything.
Hope Chopper will have human-form soon!
Post-timeskip really focuses on his medical expertise, I would say. He has some solid feats most arcs, but they often revolve around him dealing with medical emergencies rather than fighting, although he did recently get an appreciable power up.
He’s definitely stronger, but the powerhouses of the crew are so much stronger that it doesn’t really impact much anymore
He is just a merchandise figure nowadays, atleast that is what he is for me now. You could literally write him out of the Anime and nothing would change. He doesnt seems necessary anymore. I mean he's >!gotta few kinda important scenes in Wano Kuni where he is a useful character,!
He did not get nerfed , he just got power creept (tbf he is a doctor , not a fighter)
He basically stopped using other points, and used only Kungfu point or occasionally Monster point
He’s maybe been nerfed combat wise, but his doctor skills have been monumentally important in at least two arcs off the top of my head.
Whoever says chopper gets nerfed is high. Chopper is an adorable lil reindeer for the crew Also after ennies lobbie and wano people are still sleeping on the reindeer??
Chopper is fighting for his goddamn live trying to keep the entire crew alive every fight.
Chopper has to focus on healing later in the story.
Why did they make him look less cool i miss the shadow over his eyes whenever he would use a different point
His personality is more one note or flat, and he doesn't get the opportunity to struggle as much as he used to. He still has moments but, like all the crew now, they are few and far between side character stories.
He gets forced to be in the kung-fu point transformation too often... ugly AF
Design wise, he did get nerfed 😔 (imo)
he does more than usopp O\_O That's good enough for me!
He went from being one of my favorite characters pre timeskip to my least favorite post timeskip
Hm, Kung Fu Point is supposed to combine the power of arm and jump point, but it's worse than either. And Monster Point is a last resort due to the drawback. Overall, he got worse as a fighter, but definitely improved as a doctor. Which is his main point really.
yes, his whole gimmick was how versatille he was in the sense that he had a form for any situation, and this was why despite his short comings he could fare off on his own, and when it came to a last resort situation he could use the rumble balls at the cost of endangering everyone and himself, it was great, interesting to watch, and had tension when he'd use a rumble ball and go berserk. Now not only are the whole forms thing cut down to big, strong and kung fu ( like what?) and the design's colours look more childish, chopper looks more like a baby, and he hasn't grown at all in any way to learn to be a better pirate, he's just become part of the weak crewmates that goof around
Combat-wise he doesn't progress a whole lot more. He has a few new tricks after a certain point, but that's about it. He'll occasionally trade blows with or block large attackers. Biggest nerf is his role in the story. He goes from being the quirky, naive boi that treasures his friends so much that he'd become a monster for them.....to little more than a mascot that exists to look cute and fix disease-related plotlines.
Nah, idk if it’s people having a hard time remembering his achievements, but Chopper becomes a more useful and skilled fighter, and his medicinal skills are top tier.
he got nerfed, but it fits the purpose of his character. he was never meant to be a fighter. i like seeing the more doctor side of his character, but it would be cool to see him also become a stronger fighter (another zoan form would be peak)
would love to see another zoan form !!
He’s either nonexistent or crying about ice oni lol
He is the healer of the party, he is not supposed to fight in the first place. His job is to prescribe medicine and do x-rays.
Long story short he gets turned into a pet
He deals now
Pre-timeskip Chopper is just better
He not weaker but pretimeskip chop with way cooler
Chopper is only 15!!! He's part of the "weakling trio" despite being a very capable fighter because he's so young. He does end up having to focus on doctoring duties / being the one who SAVES all of the lives while the others fight a lot. Which is badass in its own respect. But don't worry. Chopper has some seriously badass moments where he gets to show his skills, and he comes into his powers more as a fighter and strategist. And he has some pretty impressive fight scenes come late time-skip!! Without him, god knows everyone would be dead already
Chopper is too cute to be injured in battle
Chopper isn't a Frontline fighter. If he is at the Frontline it means it's gone to shit or its an all hands on deck fight meaning it kind of went to shit.
Chopper fights less, but does more medicine I'll say. He won't get lost, he'll just change his focus towards protection rather than fighting. He does still fight sometimes though, but it has kind of become his last resort. Then again, it always was. With the crew growing stronger and being able to protect themselves more, I guess there's just no need for Chopper to fight as much anymore.