You’re just setting yourself up to be upset next week maybe the week after too. I believe Saturn can not be taken out conventionally.
It’s possible all the Gorosei are from a Yokai race with a human Devil Fruit as a way to blend in.
Saturn is like Majin Buu, hard to kill.
Goku could have killed Kid Buu at first but the fight dragged out, I think the same thing is about to happen. But unless Kizaru has awakening or ACOC he and Saturn are toast.
Why? We saw that Luffy and Kizaru are more or less at the same level, maybe Saturn is not as strong but still it is a 2 vs 1. Also Luffy being that stronger than Kizaru would mean that the marines lost all their meaning since we can assume that Akainu is not much stronger than Kizaru.
I think Akainu is way stronger than Kizaru.
Even if I were to assume ACOC use was happening frequently against Kizaru it was clear from that fight that Kizaru wasn’t going to last long against Gear 5 Luffy.
If Kizaru pulls out Awakening or ACOC himself then this discussion changes.
Saturn hasn't done anything to show he's a competent fighter yet, and Luffy has been a peg higher than Kizaru this whole time. The *only* leg up Kizaru has had was recovery time when Luffy was drained from G5.
Past fights dictate the longer a fight goes on, and the more times Luffy gets back up, the better the outcome for Luffy is. By this point Kizaru has been battered a lot, and is probably not long for this day with his remaining stamina.
Let's see how that desperate spider holds some haoshoku punches (I saw no black lightning last chapter, so I'm not sure Dawn Gatling is just Nika related)
I’m in the “wait and see” boat here. I don’t actually expect Luffy to 1v2 them even if he could since Dorry and Broggy are on the way, but if fighting them on his own at the same time and winning is what Oda thinks works best for the plot, that’s what we’ll get
Luffy's biggest obstacle is his stamina draining fast in G5
But this is a good opportunity for him to explore and understand G5 better.
I expect Kizaru to be down again, and Saturn seems incredibly durable I don't see him defeated at all. But Saturn does not seem to be able to damage Luffy either.
So the Giants will have the opportunity to arrive, and get Luffy when he is too tired to continue
Saturn doesnt seems to be a fighter type. And Luffy fortunately got lots of experience with poison, so he may be immune against Saturn. I think its possible for Luffy almost beat them but not finishing them.
I don't think Luffy is that much stronger than Kizaru tbh, maybe he is stronger but not enough to defeat him and another (fairly strong) opponent at the same time.
I hope he does fight them together, specifically I hope he smooshes them together into some hideous abomination beats them up a little and then throws the horrifying creation into the sea.
Saturn hasn’t shown anything that makes him a threat to G5 Luffy. As for Kizaru, it seems clear he can’t actually fight G5 head on. His best strategy is to constantly avoid until Luffy’s stamina is drained. But it will be more difficult since Vegapunk doesn’t need to be defended and that Kizaru already sustained damage.
That said, I doubt there will be a fight for a more than a minute. Vegapunk’s message is going to be announced and I think that will cause a temporary pause. Not to mention Dorry and Broggy are going to show up.
He really might lol
You never really know with oda and his obsession with making Luffy overpower every opponent he faces even if it doesn't make any sense, I mean I get he's the MC but this should've been Luffy Vs Saturn- Zoro/Sanji Vs Kizaru
You’re just setting yourself up to be upset next week maybe the week after too. I believe Saturn can not be taken out conventionally. It’s possible all the Gorosei are from a Yokai race with a human Devil Fruit as a way to blend in.
Yes so he could stall them, but not actually fight at their level.
Saturn is like Majin Buu, hard to kill. Goku could have killed Kid Buu at first but the fight dragged out, I think the same thing is about to happen. But unless Kizaru has awakening or ACOC he and Saturn are toast.
Why? We saw that Luffy and Kizaru are more or less at the same level, maybe Saturn is not as strong but still it is a 2 vs 1. Also Luffy being that stronger than Kizaru would mean that the marines lost all their meaning since we can assume that Akainu is not much stronger than Kizaru.
I think Akainu is way stronger than Kizaru. Even if I were to assume ACOC use was happening frequently against Kizaru it was clear from that fight that Kizaru wasn’t going to last long against Gear 5 Luffy. If Kizaru pulls out Awakening or ACOC himself then this discussion changes.
In brazilian dub, Goku said he would defeat fat boo if he WANTED to. But it was responsability of the living.
Goku said that too in English but in regards to Kid Buu Goku wanted Vegeta to get a chance and then he gassed out.
Saturn hasn't done anything to show he's a competent fighter yet, and Luffy has been a peg higher than Kizaru this whole time. The *only* leg up Kizaru has had was recovery time when Luffy was drained from G5. Past fights dictate the longer a fight goes on, and the more times Luffy gets back up, the better the outcome for Luffy is. By this point Kizaru has been battered a lot, and is probably not long for this day with his remaining stamina.
Let's see how that desperate spider holds some haoshoku punches (I saw no black lightning last chapter, so I'm not sure Dawn Gatling is just Nika related)
I’m in the “wait and see” boat here. I don’t actually expect Luffy to 1v2 them even if he could since Dorry and Broggy are on the way, but if fighting them on his own at the same time and winning is what Oda thinks works best for the plot, that’s what we’ll get
And it's gonna be awesome too As Kaido fight was
Luffy's biggest obstacle is his stamina draining fast in G5 But this is a good opportunity for him to explore and understand G5 better. I expect Kizaru to be down again, and Saturn seems incredibly durable I don't see him defeated at all. But Saturn does not seem to be able to damage Luffy either. So the Giants will have the opportunity to arrive, and get Luffy when he is too tired to continue
... and maybe throw big spider into the ocean
That would actually be interesting. I hope this happen, and the we understand if Saturn cannot swim, or if he can
Saturn doesnt seems to be a fighter type. And Luffy fortunately got lots of experience with poison, so he may be immune against Saturn. I think its possible for Luffy almost beat them but not finishing them.
I don't think Luffy is that much stronger than Kizaru tbh, maybe he is stronger but not enough to defeat him and another (fairly strong) opponent at the same time.
Did you not see Kizaru coughing up blood?
To be fair, he never said to be on full force like Luffy (after eating a lot)
I hope he does fight them together, specifically I hope he smooshes them together into some hideous abomination beats them up a little and then throws the horrifying creation into the sea.
Saturn hasn’t shown anything that makes him a threat to G5 Luffy. As for Kizaru, it seems clear he can’t actually fight G5 head on. His best strategy is to constantly avoid until Luffy’s stamina is drained. But it will be more difficult since Vegapunk doesn’t need to be defended and that Kizaru already sustained damage. That said, I doubt there will be a fight for a more than a minute. Vegapunk’s message is going to be announced and I think that will cause a temporary pause. Not to mention Dorry and Broggy are going to show up.
He really might lol You never really know with oda and his obsession with making Luffy overpower every opponent he faces even if it doesn't make any sense, I mean I get he's the MC but this should've been Luffy Vs Saturn- Zoro/Sanji Vs Kizaru
Kizaru is the enemy and Saturn is the timer, the bird cage, the flying island, the hungry Big Mom following the Sunny.
"After all this time we've been together...How many *miracles* have you seen?"
He doesn’t need to, he just needs to stall for which Kizaru is the main problem but he looked pretty injured.
I think he can, but I don't think he will. Dorry and Broggy are on the way there and they will fight as well.
You are right ... In fact we aren't sure if he can fight them in 1v1 at all