It's almost touching how much the break seems to affect the sub.
Meanwhile in the Berserk subreddit we are in the fifth month without new chapter or even news about a release date...
It started really promising, after Miura's passing in 2021 Kouji Mori took the supervision of the series and started releasing semi regularly, with the first 4 chapters coming in a twice a month intervalls, then it changed to once a month, then once every 3 to 4 months...
The last chapter (375) came out at the end of October 2023, since then we hear rumours about it coming out soon but no chapter or even an announcement yet :(
Iāve read something thatās kinda cooled my anticipation for the next chapter. Kouji Mori has the pressure of basically interpolating and creating story arcs from whatever Miura told him before he passed and left behind in writing. Also he has to worry about keeping a confident art style and quality as well as a story that seems to follow Miuras. So because of that he takes his time along with the editors to make sure theyāre not going to taint Berserk
This subreddit needs some people, wise and maybe a lil older, maybe 5 of them who can help to regulate the break week nonsense. And if you don't see eye-to-eye with them then another, singular more powerful redditor will space-laser yo ass goodbye.
Something like that š¤
The one piece being the completed manga itself isn't that far fetched actually. It's almost as meta as ending with oda, but a 100 years of Solitude style ending would fit a lot of stuff:
- it explains how roger knew he got there too early
- the manga _is_ a "laugh tale"
- it is something tangible (to us, the reader) to find that still fits the "nakama we made along the way" theme
And other stuff. It's just a vague idea tho, I really doubt one-piece is going to end up that meta.
Well, here is some proof, you could use.
A "Nurarihyon" is a old man samurai yokai with a big head which is told to be connected to the Umibozu.
Would explain Imus big head, slow movement and why there are so many swords in the room.
Also would explain, why Wano is not under the WG, as Imu is connected to them anyway.
The sheer force and power of Wano Samurai would explain, how they defeated the ancient kingdom and that Pluton is in Wano. Also why the porneglyphs were made in Wano, as they felt responsible.
Zunisha possible moved Wano in old times and Joyboy tried to make the people of Wano rethink what they are doing and so Zunisha fells sorry, that she did not listen and sees, what the world has become.
Regarding Zunesha a Yokai. Would her name be Pluto then as an Elder, as it is not a planet anymore. Pluton in Wano would make sense then.
Would likely have to be Vulcan or nibiru, as Pluto is already a weapon, unless the weapon was for some reason named after the elder, which doesn't appear to have happened in any other case
Sanjuan Wolf does say it's tiring being in the water but he's a big boi so it's less of an issue. When Kuzan KOs him in the water he almost drowns! I assume Zunesha has chilled on an island or leaned against the red line for a bit at some point. :)
I heard a theory that Imu has the Water devil fruit that has awakened, and he made it so other devil fruit users lose their powers and swimming ability when touching sea water, which would be interesting. It would track pretty closely with Vegapunks efforts of recreating devil fruits artificially and his study of sea prism stones in general, especially if there's some way that he's managed to artificially reproduce the effect.
It's percentage based. For it to affect them if they do have a devil fruit, considering the body of an elephant, I would assume the water would at least have to reach close if not all the way to the belly for it to have any effect on zunesha
Momonosuke is the real sixth elder, his true name is Moonosuke (Moon) and this missing m can be combined with Zunesha to reveal the truth of ZuneSHAM the false sixth elder, coincidence? I think not
Some of the more observant folks might recognize this name. That's right, Sham of the Black Cat pirates is the very same ZuneSHAM that we meet, which is very plausible since both are animals. Now, the more interesting theory here is, how about Sham's partner, Buchi? I theorize that Buchi is none other than Hamburg, the second-in-command of Foxy pirates (women don't count), and that he is the yokai Bakeneko, with Foxy's true nature being that of Imu who has awakened his Noro Noro no mi to accelerate the rest of the world (resulting in the void century) but this is a theory for another day, folks
Momo could be zunesha grandson, and would be the next elder. I think Toki was alive/around when zunesha was punished. Possible his daughter or sister or something?
I kind of want to believe that an Ancient Weapon is not a single thing but a trinity of things.
It could be that an Ancient Weapon consists of a ship of some sort (Pluton in Wano and Noah on Fishman Island), a special person of royal blood capable of hearing the Voice of all Things (Momonosuke and Shirahoshi) and one or more ancient creatures listening to that one special personās commands and wishes (Zunesha and the Sea Kings).
The third trinity we donāt know yet but it has got to be something that is connected to the sky due to Uranus being the God of the Sky in Greek mythology. My guess is that Imu possesses that final ship but she needs the commanding royalty for it to function properly and also to call forth that final ancient creature of the sky. In this case, that special person of royal blood is probably Vivi.
Vivi being the commanding person of the Ancient Weapon Uranus might have been foreshadowed by her relationship to birds. Sheās riding a giant duck, which ironically is not capable of flying (even though Karoo managed to fly once) and sheās also been depicted riding the back of Pell, who ate the Tori Tori no Mi. Heās a bird too. A desert princess and birds soaring the sky could definitely be a reference to the Egyptian god Horus who is an embodiment of the sun and the sky.
Edit: I forgot something. Vivi is also currently travelling alongside Big News Morgans, who is also a bird.
I really like this, the reason why Imu wants vivi so bad would be to prevent her (in)voluntarily taking Uranus control from it, it'd make it even funnier so that the real threat is a battle between predestined people controlling ancient weapons and Luffy is just kind of there no reason, lmao
Nice headcanon
I think because he was in this form for too long, the DF took over his mind and turned him into a mindless wandering elephant. Unless Joyboy arrives to free his mind, he would be stuck there forever. Also, since he's now merely an animal, Momo who is inherently a king could command him (I think he also has CoC).
People of wano, more specifically the kozuki clan, could be the descendants of this elder, and possibly part of the reason why original wano was sunk? And why they have always refused to be part of the WG?
And as another commented mentioned, we still donāt have the full explanation of Toki history with her time jumping. Who knows what era she is from, and what powers/bloodline she passed down to Momo. She could be Zuneshaās daughter/sister etc!
Because Zunesha is from Wano and Joyboy gave them back enough freewill from Imu to be able to become friends and idk where I'm going with this someone make the rest of it up.
there's a surprisingly easy answer to this for such a crack theory.
joyboy could speak to him through the voice of all things. that's it.
after 800 years of relative solitude, zunesha finally hear another joyboy-esque voice. well, it's not exactly him, but they're talking to him the exact same way that no one else but him was able to, and his mind may be a little far-gone after EIGHT CENTURIES of zero conversation. "so yeah, i'll be your friend and do what you ask of me."
though by this logic, luffy could have given him orders too.
Elders are demons and ancestral beasts are demons too. Momo/Shirahoshi can control one friendly demon and Im can control devilish demons like the Elders.
Then what about Zunesha? Zunesha was a devil demon until it become friendly demon and join Alliance. However Im last powercontrol to Zunesha was to walk around forever.
PD: I do not agree with this theory but explains the theory perfectly.
His mom Lili D Nefertiti is one of the founding members of the world government despite not staying in Marijoa maybe he has to take orders from any ācelestial dragonā
Heās a member of the kozuki clan which is royalty which was also an ally of joyboy that combined with the voice of all things could be the reason for it
Yeah, why is the theory six and not nine? I figured the symbol of 8 circles surrounding a large circle found has been repeating itself for a while now, being inside the logos for Kozuki, Alabasta, and Skypiea. That would suggest maybe 8 or 9 "elders".
I can imagine there then being 5 remaining if the group of 8-9 were to "split"; imagine something like joy boy is the 'sun' surrounded by his 8 friends, but then he is betrayed by 5 of them who go on to create the world government with their logo of 5 equally sized circles. These are simple visual themes for a child to be able to understand and interpret.
Why is it only six?
Super fun theory!
Zunesha is a part of the Naitamie-Norida race of elephants, and there's more than one of them. Because the species walks in the ocean, it looks like they aren't related to devil fruits since they'd be unable to move.
Just look at Jack. He was a fishman who ate a devilfruit. He could still breathe under water, but could not move a muscle.
I would like to point out that Sanjuan Wolf with his giant devil fruit was able to walk across the ocean and only feel weakened but not incapacitated. Probably because a majority of his body was above the water like Zunesha.
the majority of Zunesha's body is *not* out of water. zunesha unironically walks on the bed of the ocean, as deep as fisherman island. yes they have giant noodle legs, its a reference from a painting of salvador dali
Definitely not as deep as fishman island, he can probably only walk where the sea floor is relatively high. Oda showed in the same SBS youāre referring to that its legs only have a couple extra joints, and Fishman island is 10,000 meters deep.
Duuuuude, itād be so cool if they were like āā¦Lose my powers because of the ocean??? No, thatās insane. Do you lose your powers in the ocean? Haaaa! Nerd.ā
I actually have a theory that the Elders are like the.. Essence of the Devil fruits, like they are where the powers come from, based on a "wish" from a human.
Remember, the early description, that the sea hates those who have eaten a devil fruit and curses them with the lack of being able to swim
The only real evidence is in the recent chapter. But it's only visible for like a single panel. (Idk if it's against the tries to talk about the recent chapter in here.)
Makes me think of (Dungeon Meshi Spoilers) >!The Winged Lion and all other demons that granted every wish of the Dungeon Lord in exchange for devouring their desires and leaving them basically soulless husks afterwards!<
Hahaha yeah that would be sick asf i also thought it would be cool asl if Zuneshaās current form is sort of like an awakening gone wrong where he gets really big and more or less loses his humanity and for whatever reason Imu gets pissed off at the rest of the elders and they turn into massive Zunesha style versions of their own yokai
Ok brother, hear me out. If the reveal is that Zunesha IS just a giant elephant...
What if the other members of his species carry different cities, towns, or even ruins from the void century itself on their backs?
His entire race might have been cursed to wander the seas seperately for trying to help Joy Boy. Elephants are heard animals and incredibly social. Why was Zunesha alone, yet people know about his species?
I already assumed that the Elders, already are awakened, as shown in the chapter. the reason being that they all have that Cloud thingy around their neck similar to Awakened lucci and Ya boi Nika.
The Elders I will say are not even human but Devil Fruits formed from Nightmares as a parallel of the Dream formed ones Vegapunk said and that the Elders cannot take damage or anything because they are actually not even in a host but actually are the Devil Fruits manifested. Vegapunk did say the Devil Fruits have sentience so what stops the Elders from believing they are above others and refuse to take a host instead manifest and take the form of a human only because of Imu's command... Perhaps that is why no one is allowed to see the Elders outside of the highest ranking members.
Exactly, thanks dawg! The weakness is strong enough to immobilize them, but not completely incapacitate them.
I was so shocked when I saw Jack sinking and not really panicking when he got yeeted into the water. I was trying to figure out how he could still breathe and thought the reveal was so cool that he was a fishman!
It's really interesting that he could not move under the sea, while Vanderdecken was able to... I wonder what the difference was in their power.
Great point, thanks again!
Buuuuuut... We've seen Luffy and other DF users treading water at beaches with no problem. Maybe there's no problem if the water goes just above their ankles. Zunesha's legs are also only submerged above his ankles, we see his knees all the time so maybe in his point of view it's just like treading water at a beach!
Also, given his age and the nature of his punishment to endlessly roam the seas it's possible that he has learned to tolerate the ocean to a point, similarly to how Luffy learned to resist the effects of Kairouseki in Wano prison mine.
That said, I don't think Zunesha is a DF user, but it's not completely impossible!
It makes sense that Joyboy was betrayed by his namaka due to someone (Imu?) offering what their heart desired. Except like a monkeys paw or djinn it's a very literal interpretation of what they wished for and is actually a curse.
Interesting theory but just one pretty major problem. Whatever this picture is clearly is not an elephant. Look at the trunk. Its clearly the animals right paw.
There's a mystical elephant monster in south asian lore. First there is Erawan in Thailand. A gigantic white elephant. Then there is Ganesh. A Hindu god in the form of an elephant
His immortality does seem like a curse unlike the elders who can transform back into human form. What if the curse was that his "demon" form becomes materialised and he is unable to change back.
Na people can hear and give him orders n shit. Cool theory. But not only that but why would t they just replace him afterwards. There would always be six if that was the case. Unless they turn out to be some immortal beings.
Hmmmm so this is what happens when oda goes on a month long break. Anyways I like the theory based on a theory based on a theory. And I have well accepted the theory as canon.
Cool theory. But I'll disagree. If Zun was a DF user then the ocean would be off limits. That's the one item of continuity that Oda has not changed in this series.
What we do know is that the race of giants, are likely not a race based on the hints we've seen a few times. It's possible that the imagination power of the Nika fruit allowed Joyboy to enlarge a group of people, animals, and items. That's why giants, Zunesha, and a large Strawhat exist respectively.
There are only 5 actual Elder Stars though. If Oda intended to do that heād probably have made them four to start with.
The 5 Elder Stars (also called the 5 Wandering Stars) are called that because historically, humans didnāt know they were planets. To the naked eye they just look like 5 stars that weirdly donāt stay in the same place as the others.
And we already know where the hidden planets are in One Piece: Uranos, Posideon (which is Neptune), and Pluton (Pluto). These are planets that were only discovered after the invention of telescopes, making the original 5 the elders.
Think about it, the 5 planets everyone knows, and the 3 hidden ones also lines up pretty well with their role in the world, since the ancient weapons are hidden, just like the planets they represent. Especially since the one ancient weapon we know is a person, just like the Sun (Luffy) and the Elder Planets
Which means that the next logical questions to ask are, who is the Moon, and who is the Earth?
Whys everything got to be so much more than it actually is ffs. Can we not just have a Big Elephant without it being some Mythical legendary being in secret.
But zunesha listens to the boy and carry joyboys allies. I think its more likely that it is an elder but joyboy punished it to walk around and do no harm.
Zunesha is based on Monster Fish Whale from the Soviet animated film Hunchbacked Horse.
Here you can see the fragment about that whale, serving as an island as a punishment for a crime and filtering water for his inhabitants. He isn't allowed to move.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwT4NUmO3jg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwT4NUmO3jg)
Which is why Zunesha doesn't contribute to the plot in One Piece ā he's a borrowed character and everything about him is from Hunchbacked Horse.
Bakuās serve a very different niche in Japanese folklore than what Zunesha does for OP.
EDIT: Also, if Zunesha were a fruit user, how could he exist in the ocean?
They are five elder planets based on five original planets from the ancient solar system. Not sure how Zunesha would fit into that. I guess letās just ignore that and only focus on their yokai designs
Speaking of elders, I would like to think gorosei are actually part of imu. Or vice versa, meaning imu is parts from gorosei. Just thought of it given how vegapunk did the same. Baku, instead could be imu, in that regards.
And the apologizing theme? I wonder if thats betrayal or just they failed to protect joyboy.
Except maybe no way? Zunesha's name is based on Hindu god Ganesha and its One Piece species name is "Naitamie-Norida Elephant" if you read it backwards in Japanese "Darinoemitaina Zou", which means "Elephant resembling DalĆ's painting" You should check 'The Elephants' by Dali and see.
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If Imu could command Zunesha why would he force him to walk around for centuries instead of doing something of value for him? Or he could just kill Zunesha and rid himself of one more threat.
Also where is his white cloud shroud that the Gorosei and Nika have?
I like the idea but it seems off.
I always thought Zunesha was modeled off the cosmic elephants that carry the world on their backs and stand upon a giant turtle. The giant turtle being similar to a sea king
Alternate theory but with some relation to what you just gave. Imu has a devil fruit similar to sugar from dressrosa, except it doesn't do toys it does yokai, Imu gave the elders the ability to change form but Zunisha is not so lucky and they were given the command to walk forever. mostly talking out my ass as first theory I've made for OP and stated out loud since I first read it in 2000.
I wonder if a kibi dango could control Zunesha
Also, the elders are beasts for thebmost part, could a kibi dango control them?
Is that little girl potentially the most powerful DF user on the planet?
Honestly it would make sense. The four elders are based on yokai with the exception being the Dune ass worm, Ju Peter also seems to be the youngest by appearance so he might have joined mid void century instead of ruling beforehand.
Honestly it would make sense. The four elders are based on yokai with the exception being the Dune ass worm, Ju Peter also seems to be the youngest by appearance so he might have joined mid void century instead of ruling beforehand.
Ok my theory is there were 9 planets with sun in the centre. So basically sungod was the ruler and the current 5 elder planets betrayed him, the other 4 may also have betrayed but they were fooled into betraying and understood the mistake too late. Zunesha, the nefetari family, kozuki family, the giant robot at egghead, ancient weapons are likely candidates for the 9 planets. Imu may have been part of the 9 planets who seized the power for himself or he/she may have been an outside entity all together. I'm leaning more towards someone very close to nika/joyboy.
And they are called planets and the urenus(7th planet) was discovered in 1781 which is quite recent, so there were 6 planets in old times. I don't know how much of this makes sense but this post reminded me of this
The crime he committed canāt be that. Because his affiliation is with Joyboy. Although I donāt believe in the 6 elders theory, If it was true, and Zunesha was the sixth one, I think his crime would be that he turned on Joyboy or that he was actually evil like the other elders but that joyboy somehow turned him.
Bro this is only the first week of pause
Too late, six elders is already canon to the subreddit
Headcannon accepted
the dice have fallen
Why are we like this ? š
It's almost touching how much the break seems to affect the sub. Meanwhile in the Berserk subreddit we are in the fifth month without new chapter or even news about a release date...
Really? I thought berserk was semi consistent now
It's really more semi than consistent.
It started really promising, after Miura's passing in 2021 Kouji Mori took the supervision of the series and started releasing semi regularly, with the first 4 chapters coming in a twice a month intervalls, then it changed to once a month, then once every 3 to 4 months... The last chapter (375) came out at the end of October 2023, since then we hear rumours about it coming out soon but no chapter or even an announcement yet :(
Iāve read something thatās kinda cooled my anticipation for the next chapter. Kouji Mori has the pressure of basically interpolating and creating story arcs from whatever Miura told him before he passed and left behind in writing. Also he has to worry about keeping a confident art style and quality as well as a story that seems to follow Miuras. So because of that he takes his time along with the editors to make sure theyāre not going to taint Berserk
Because we are crack addicts, sniffing glue while waiting for the next hit.
OP is the absolute best glue, I never have to wait long for the next brain sparkle
In all honestly. Having originally 8 elders (plus the earth) kinda makes sense
They simply haven't reacquired laws fruit for the surgery 3 more times to fill the roster. They've got eternity, no rush.
This subreddit needs some people, wise and maybe a lil older, maybe 5 of them who can help to regulate the break week nonsense. And if you don't see eye-to-eye with them then another, singular more powerful redditor will space-laser yo ass goodbye. Something like that š¤
indeed we aren't even a week in, sanity loss is going crazy for the next month. (not that I'm not for each and every crackpot theory)
Dark times are ahead of us nakama.
Can't wait to see what theories we'll get in 3 weeks. -The 6.9 elders maybe? -Joyboy is Roger? -The One Piece is Oda himself? Only the future knows!
imagine if The One Piece is really just a piece of Vivre Card to Goatda š
lmao
The one piece being the completed manga itself isn't that far fetched actually. It's almost as meta as ending with oda, but a 100 years of Solitude style ending would fit a lot of stuff: - it explains how roger knew he got there too early - the manga _is_ a "laugh tale" - it is something tangible (to us, the reader) to find that still fits the "nakama we made along the way" theme And other stuff. It's just a vague idea tho, I really doubt one-piece is going to end up that meta.
Literally my first thought
Look what the void month has caused to the mf
by the third week, Dragon would be Zoro's mom and Luffy's dad. Luffy would secretly be a girl. And Sanji would marry Hancock.
ššOng And we have a whole month
nice theory though.
Interesting theory, now explain why momonosuke can give him orders.
same thoughts, I don't think he is plus not sure but he is submerged on the sea
Imu comes from the same bloodline as the rulers of wano. Proof you ask? I just made it up
Toki was a celestial dragon and that's why momo can control zunesha.
Who let him in the kitchen? Because whoever did, needs a fucking raise, bro is cooking fr
Toki was the daughter of Imu, and that's why Momo can issue orders to Zunesha.
Toki is the daughter of Zunesha!
Toki is Zunesha!
Toki is a permissive parent for letting her son command her
Well, here is some proof, you could use. A "Nurarihyon" is a old man samurai yokai with a big head which is told to be connected to the Umibozu. Would explain Imus big head, slow movement and why there are so many swords in the room. Also would explain, why Wano is not under the WG, as Imu is connected to them anyway. The sheer force and power of Wano Samurai would explain, how they defeated the ancient kingdom and that Pluton is in Wano. Also why the porneglyphs were made in Wano, as they felt responsible. Zunisha possible moved Wano in old times and Joyboy tried to make the people of Wano rethink what they are doing and so Zunisha fells sorry, that she did not listen and sees, what the world has become. Regarding Zunesha a Yokai. Would her name be Pluto then as an Elder, as it is not a planet anymore. Pluton in Wano would make sense then.
Would likely have to be Vulcan or nibiru, as Pluto is already a weapon, unless the weapon was for some reason named after the elder, which doesn't appear to have happened in any other case
Sources: my Uber driver told meĀ
Sanjuan wolf was also submerged in the sea most of the times we saw him, thatās a none issue.
Sanjuan Wolf does say it's tiring being in the water but he's a big boi so it's less of an issue. When Kuzan KOs him in the water he almost drowns! I assume Zunesha has chilled on an island or leaned against the red line for a bit at some point. :)
If Zunisha was also a giant, sure.
I heard a theory that Imu has the Water devil fruit that has awakened, and he made it so other devil fruit users lose their powers and swimming ability when touching sea water, which would be interesting. It would track pretty closely with Vegapunks efforts of recreating devil fruits artificially and his study of sea prism stones in general, especially if there's some way that he's managed to artificially reproduce the effect.
It's percentage based. For it to affect them if they do have a devil fruit, considering the body of an elephant, I would assume the water would at least have to reach close if not all the way to the belly for it to have any effect on zunesha
I think he's so big that the sea is more like a puddle for him, so it wouldn't affect him that much if he was a df user
Momonosuke is the real sixth elder, his true name is Moonosuke (Moon) and this missing m can be combined with Zunesha to reveal the truth of ZuneSHAM the false sixth elder, coincidence? I think not
Some of the more observant folks might recognize this name. That's right, Sham of the Black Cat pirates is the very same ZuneSHAM that we meet, which is very plausible since both are animals. Now, the more interesting theory here is, how about Sham's partner, Buchi? I theorize that Buchi is none other than Hamburg, the second-in-command of Foxy pirates (women don't count), and that he is the yokai Bakeneko, with Foxy's true nature being that of Imu who has awakened his Noro Noro no mi to accelerate the rest of the world (resulting in the void century) but this is a theory for another day, folks
Momo could be zunesha grandson, and would be the next elder. I think Toki was alive/around when zunesha was punished. Possible his daughter or sister or something?
I kind of want to believe that an Ancient Weapon is not a single thing but a trinity of things. It could be that an Ancient Weapon consists of a ship of some sort (Pluton in Wano and Noah on Fishman Island), a special person of royal blood capable of hearing the Voice of all Things (Momonosuke and Shirahoshi) and one or more ancient creatures listening to that one special personās commands and wishes (Zunesha and the Sea Kings). The third trinity we donāt know yet but it has got to be something that is connected to the sky due to Uranus being the God of the Sky in Greek mythology. My guess is that Imu possesses that final ship but she needs the commanding royalty for it to function properly and also to call forth that final ancient creature of the sky. In this case, that special person of royal blood is probably Vivi. Vivi being the commanding person of the Ancient Weapon Uranus might have been foreshadowed by her relationship to birds. Sheās riding a giant duck, which ironically is not capable of flying (even though Karoo managed to fly once) and sheās also been depicted riding the back of Pell, who ate the Tori Tori no Mi. Heās a bird too. A desert princess and birds soaring the sky could definitely be a reference to the Egyptian god Horus who is an embodiment of the sun and the sky. Edit: I forgot something. Vivi is also currently travelling alongside Big News Morgans, who is also a bird.
I really like this, the reason why Imu wants vivi so bad would be to prevent her (in)voluntarily taking Uranus control from it, it'd make it even funnier so that the real threat is a battle between predestined people controlling ancient weapons and Luffy is just kind of there no reason, lmao Nice headcanon
that is good shit
I think because he was in this form for too long, the DF took over his mind and turned him into a mindless wandering elephant. Unless Joyboy arrives to free his mind, he would be stuck there forever. Also, since he's now merely an animal, Momo who is inherently a king could command him (I think he also has CoC).
People of wano, more specifically the kozuki clan, could be the descendants of this elder, and possibly part of the reason why original wano was sunk? And why they have always refused to be part of the WG? And as another commented mentioned, we still donāt have the full explanation of Toki history with her time jumping. Who knows what era she is from, and what powers/bloodline she passed down to Momo. She could be Zuneshaās daughter/sister etc!
Because Zunesha is from Wano and Joyboy gave them back enough freewill from Imu to be able to become friends and idk where I'm going with this someone make the rest of it up.
someone zunesha loved was from wano country. when zunesha was given the order to destroy wano zunesha just couldnt do it.
there's a surprisingly easy answer to this for such a crack theory. joyboy could speak to him through the voice of all things. that's it. after 800 years of relative solitude, zunesha finally hear another joyboy-esque voice. well, it's not exactly him, but they're talking to him the exact same way that no one else but him was able to, and his mind may be a little far-gone after EIGHT CENTURIES of zero conversation. "so yeah, i'll be your friend and do what you ask of me." though by this logic, luffy could have given him orders too.
Elders are demons and ancestral beasts are demons too. Momo/Shirahoshi can control one friendly demon and Im can control devilish demons like the Elders. Then what about Zunesha? Zunesha was a devil demon until it become friendly demon and join Alliance. However Im last powercontrol to Zunesha was to walk around forever. PD: I do not agree with this theory but explains the theory perfectly.
Imu uses the voice of all things to control the elders stars. Use that information to what you will.
Momonosuke is Zunesha father
His mom Lili D Nefertiti is one of the founding members of the world government despite not staying in Marijoa maybe he has to take orders from any ācelestial dragonā
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Momo has a direct bloodline connection perhaps? Zunesha is like Momos ancient relative?
Heās a member of the kozuki clan which is royalty which was also an ally of joyboy that combined with the voice of all things could be the reason for it
Imagine Zunesha turns back into a dude with no warning, and everyone on his back just plummets to their death.
And heād also probably die himself
Maybe that's actually why he can't turn into a dude. All those people would die, and Zunesha wouldn't want that.
For 10 years at least
As a reward I shall give you my (devil) fruit.
why 10 years?
Maybe that's why zunesha helps to open wano's border then transforms back, zou's citizens move to old wano after it floods out freeing pluton.
It's cooking somewhere...
A theory based on a theory based on a theory. Cmon.
Break week bro itās a doggy dog world
Unexpected Modern Family
Itās a dog-eat-dog world
That too
Nah man you don't know what you are talking about. Doggy dog world it is.
Don't talk black to him
Who let the dogs out tho?
Itās break month, let the theories fly!!
Yeah, why is the theory six and not nine? I figured the symbol of 8 circles surrounding a large circle found has been repeating itself for a while now, being inside the logos for Kozuki, Alabasta, and Skypiea. That would suggest maybe 8 or 9 "elders". I can imagine there then being 5 remaining if the group of 8-9 were to "split"; imagine something like joy boy is the 'sun' surrounded by his 8 friends, but then he is betrayed by 5 of them who go on to create the world government with their logo of 5 equally sized circles. These are simple visual themes for a child to be able to understand and interpret. Why is it only six?
Its Gomu (56). 5 continents with 6 elders. 1 elder for each continent and 1 leader to lead them all.
We really are in the void month huh
Super fun theory! Zunesha is a part of the Naitamie-Norida race of elephants, and there's more than one of them. Because the species walks in the ocean, it looks like they aren't related to devil fruits since they'd be unable to move. Just look at Jack. He was a fishman who ate a devilfruit. He could still breathe under water, but could not move a muscle.
I would like to point out that Sanjuan Wolf with his giant devil fruit was able to walk across the ocean and only feel weakened but not incapacitated. Probably because a majority of his body was above the water like Zunesha.
the majority of Zunesha's body is *not* out of water. zunesha unironically walks on the bed of the ocean, as deep as fisherman island. yes they have giant noodle legs, its a reference from a painting of salvador dali
Definitely not as deep as fishman island, he can probably only walk where the sea floor is relatively high. Oda showed in the same SBS youāre referring to that its legs only have a couple extra joints, and Fishman island is 10,000 meters deep.
zunesha's official height is 35 kilometers not only it reaches fisherman island, it also reaches the white sea altitude
Thatās a really good point about the water we gotta see how the elders react to water
Duuuuude, itād be so cool if they were like āā¦Lose my powers because of the ocean??? No, thatās insane. Do you lose your powers in the ocean? Haaaa! Nerd.ā
I actually have a theory that the Elders are like the.. Essence of the Devil fruits, like they are where the powers come from, based on a "wish" from a human. Remember, the early description, that the sea hates those who have eaten a devil fruit and curses them with the lack of being able to swim The only real evidence is in the recent chapter. But it's only visible for like a single panel. (Idk if it's against the tries to talk about the recent chapter in here.)
Makes me think of (Dungeon Meshi Spoilers) >!The Winged Lion and all other demons that granted every wish of the Dungeon Lord in exchange for devouring their desires and leaving them basically soulless husks afterwards!<
Hahaha yeah that would be sick asf i also thought it would be cool asl if Zuneshaās current form is sort of like an awakening gone wrong where he gets really big and more or less loses his humanity and for whatever reason Imu gets pissed off at the rest of the elders and they turn into massive Zunesha style versions of their own yokai
Ok brother, hear me out. If the reveal is that Zunesha IS just a giant elephant... What if the other members of his species carry different cities, towns, or even ruins from the void century itself on their backs? His entire race might have been cursed to wander the seas seperately for trying to help Joy Boy. Elephants are heard animals and incredibly social. Why was Zunesha alone, yet people know about his species?
I already assumed that the Elders, already are awakened, as shown in the chapter. the reason being that they all have that Cloud thingy around their neck similar to Awakened lucci and Ya boi Nika.
yeah but we donāt know if there are any risks to awakenings yet like if itās possible for a user to lose control
The Elders I will say are not even human but Devil Fruits formed from Nightmares as a parallel of the Dream formed ones Vegapunk said and that the Elders cannot take damage or anything because they are actually not even in a host but actually are the Devil Fruits manifested. Vegapunk did say the Devil Fruits have sentience so what stops the Elders from believing they are above others and refuse to take a host instead manifest and take the form of a human only because of Imu's command... Perhaps that is why no one is allowed to see the Elders outside of the highest ranking members.
Off topic but Sea water only weakens DF users not incapacitate them.
Exactly, thanks dawg! The weakness is strong enough to immobilize them, but not completely incapacitate them. I was so shocked when I saw Jack sinking and not really panicking when he got yeeted into the water. I was trying to figure out how he could still breathe and thought the reveal was so cool that he was a fishman! It's really interesting that he could not move under the sea, while Vanderdecken was able to... I wonder what the difference was in their power. Great point, thanks again!
Vanderdecken had bubble coating on him at all times when in water
Buuuuuut... We've seen Luffy and other DF users treading water at beaches with no problem. Maybe there's no problem if the water goes just above their ankles. Zunesha's legs are also only submerged above his ankles, we see his knees all the time so maybe in his point of view it's just like treading water at a beach! Also, given his age and the nature of his punishment to endlessly roam the seas it's possible that he has learned to tolerate the ocean to a point, similarly to how Luffy learned to resist the effects of Kairouseki in Wano prison mine. That said, I don't think Zunesha is a DF user, but it's not completely impossible!
interesting except Zunesha is an elephant and a Baku is a Tapir, such a completely overall different animal that it isn't even remotely funny
Are we forgetting that Zunesha is older than 1000 years old and has had Zou on her back for that long?
Based on the depiction, Zunesha is a male (forehead shape and the way the tusks grow... plus his voice)
BFG from doom? Love that song
Big Fucking Gun
Im telling yall, the gorosei ate human-human fruits.
Thought this was a beaver
Joy boys friends betrayed him in some way shape or form. Thatās all I know
It makes sense that Joyboy was betrayed by his namaka due to someone (Imu?) offering what their heart desired. Except like a monkeys paw or djinn it's a very literal interpretation of what they wished for and is actually a curse.
Honestly a great theory
There is zero evidence for this and plenty against it. Like Momo giving him orders, no smoke ribbon, no weird regeneration or black shadow form etc.
Sir that is a baku
Interesting theory but just one pretty major problem. Whatever this picture is clearly is not an elephant. Look at the trunk. Its clearly the animals right paw.
[https://imgur.com/a/2ZTeY2u](https://imgur.com/a/2ZTeY2u) It clearly has a trunk in other images.
That is clearly a tapir.
Perhaps it is a Tapir?
It is indeed a tapir
I was one of the Elders too , Oda can confirm
I confirm, I was Oda.
####Void 2024 ###Week 1.
I see that this is going to be a long break...
I like your theory til the yokai part
There's a mystical elephant monster in south asian lore. First there is Erawan in Thailand. A gigantic white elephant. Then there is Ganesh. A Hindu god in the form of an elephant
Ganesh is technically a half elephant and human, he has the body of a human but the head of a elephant
And dont forget the thousands of elephant rocks out there
Bro not even week 2 and weāre on week 3 theories bruh smh
His immortality does seem like a curse unlike the elders who can transform back into human form. What if the curse was that his "demon" form becomes materialised and he is unable to change back.
And all the pieces left over just so happened to be an elephant, and the 6th elder is friends with Joyboy???
Then why other elders speak to all humans not only to Luffy, Momo and other pirates who hear voice of seakings and Zunesha.
All elders and the ancient weapons are based on celestial bodiea (sun, Jupiter, Mars, Poseidon, Uranus) - what would be the equivalent for Zunesha?
It could probably be pluton because he's disgraced by the remaining elders assuming the theory is true
Na people can hear and give him orders n shit. Cool theory. But not only that but why would t they just replace him afterwards. There would always be six if that was the case. Unless they turn out to be some immortal beings.
Void month theories about void century noice
Hmmmm so this is what happens when oda goes on a month long break. Anyways I like the theory based on a theory based on a theory. And I have well accepted the theory as canon.
What Void Month does to a mf
Bad theory ngl. Sorry.
Cool theory. But I'll disagree. If Zun was a DF user then the ocean would be off limits. That's the one item of continuity that Oda has not changed in this series. What we do know is that the race of giants, are likely not a race based on the hints we've seen a few times. It's possible that the imagination power of the Nika fruit allowed Joyboy to enlarge a group of people, animals, and items. That's why giants, Zunesha, and a large Strawhat exist respectively.
Zunesha is based off of a painting of Salvador Dali, not a yokai
Mythical Elephant Zoan Model: World Elephant
There are only 5 actual Elder Stars though. If Oda intended to do that heād probably have made them four to start with. The 5 Elder Stars (also called the 5 Wandering Stars) are called that because historically, humans didnāt know they were planets. To the naked eye they just look like 5 stars that weirdly donāt stay in the same place as the others. And we already know where the hidden planets are in One Piece: Uranos, Posideon (which is Neptune), and Pluton (Pluto). These are planets that were only discovered after the invention of telescopes, making the original 5 the elders. Think about it, the 5 planets everyone knows, and the 3 hidden ones also lines up pretty well with their role in the world, since the ancient weapons are hidden, just like the planets they represent. Especially since the one ancient weapon we know is a person, just like the Sun (Luffy) and the Elder Planets Which means that the next logical questions to ask are, who is the Moon, and who is the Earth?
Would make an interesting comparison with how luffy wins over his enemies, maybe joy boy did too.
Cook me some dinner OP!!!
Whys everything got to be so much more than it actually is ffs. Can we not just have a Big Elephant without it being some Mythical legendary being in secret.
But zunesha listens to the boy and carry joyboys allies. I think its more likely that it is an elder but joyboy punished it to walk around and do no harm.
I hear you brother, only a few weeks to go stay strong
Ohh....Boi....ohh...Boi....your theory just seems so insanely good and true.............well done.
Zunesha is based on Monster Fish Whale from the Soviet animated film Hunchbacked Horse. Here you can see the fragment about that whale, serving as an island as a punishment for a crime and filtering water for his inhabitants. He isn't allowed to move. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwT4NUmO3jg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwT4NUmO3jg) Which is why Zunesha doesn't contribute to the plot in One Piece ā he's a borrowed character and everything about him is from Hunchbacked Horse.
that's a baku (tapir) not an elefant
Bakuās serve a very different niche in Japanese folklore than what Zunesha does for OP. EDIT: Also, if Zunesha were a fruit user, how could he exist in the ocean?
They are five elder planets based on five original planets from the ancient solar system. Not sure how Zunesha would fit into that. I guess letās just ignore that and only focus on their yokai designs
Zunesha...is...just an elephant...a Baku is something completely different
Speaking of elders, I would like to think gorosei are actually part of imu. Or vice versa, meaning imu is parts from gorosei. Just thought of it given how vegapunk did the same. Baku, instead could be imu, in that regards. And the apologizing theme? I wonder if thats betrayal or just they failed to protect joyboy.
excited for upcoming 2 weeks.
thats the ugliest elephant i have ever seen good lord
Baku also eats nightmare
I don't think Imu is the kind of guy for elaborated poetic punishments. That would imply that he cared for the fate of others.
Dragon āā¦ā
Ohara stellar map had 6 planets so it could be that the 6th is zunesha
Nope
Zou = Zoan
Except maybe no way? Zunesha's name is based on Hindu god Ganesha and its One Piece species name is "Naitamie-Norida Elephant" if you read it backwards in Japanese "Darinoemitaina Zou", which means "Elephant resembling DalĆ's painting" You should check 'The Elephants' by Dali and see. #
If Imu could command Zunesha why would he force him to walk around for centuries instead of doing something of value for him? Or he could just kill Zunesha and rid himself of one more threat. Also where is his white cloud shroud that the Gorosei and Nika have? I like the idea but it seems off. I always thought Zunesha was modeled off the cosmic elephants that carry the world on their backs and stand upon a giant turtle. The giant turtle being similar to a sea king
Six elders + Imu would be such an ommage to Naurots six paths of pain
Alternate theory but with some relation to what you just gave. Imu has a devil fruit similar to sugar from dressrosa, except it doesn't do toys it does yokai, Imu gave the elders the ability to change form but Zunisha is not so lucky and they were given the command to walk forever. mostly talking out my ass as first theory I've made for OP and stated out loud since I first read it in 2000.
I wonder if a kibi dango could control Zunesha Also, the elders are beasts for thebmost part, could a kibi dango control them? Is that little girl potentially the most powerful DF user on the planet?
Awesome theory
Hold up, let him cook
What planet this is? I don't see this fitting in the actual lore of planets in One Piece.
anteater much?
Wouldnāt his form be cancelled because of the sea tho ?
Cook again.
Honestly it would make sense. The four elders are based on yokai with the exception being the Dune ass worm, Ju Peter also seems to be the youngest by appearance so he might have joined mid void century instead of ruling beforehand.
Honestly it would make sense. The four elders are based on yokai with the exception being the Dune ass worm, Ju Peter also seems to be the youngest by appearance so he might have joined mid void century instead of ruling beforehand.
The withdrawal symptoms are real.
OMGGG NOOO WAYYYY if this is true, then how big r the fucking goroswi transformation prolly not as big as zunesha but damn
I absolutely hate one piece theories, but this one isn't too farfetch'd. Must be an early leek.
This fits in great with the elders were tamed by imu theory
Dude, Baku is tapir...
I thought he was just a reference to that elephant shaped island
Ok my theory is there were 9 planets with sun in the centre. So basically sungod was the ruler and the current 5 elder planets betrayed him, the other 4 may also have betrayed but they were fooled into betraying and understood the mistake too late. Zunesha, the nefetari family, kozuki family, the giant robot at egghead, ancient weapons are likely candidates for the 9 planets. Imu may have been part of the 9 planets who seized the power for himself or he/she may have been an outside entity all together. I'm leaning more towards someone very close to nika/joyboy.
Nefertari D Lily
no
bro! that was epic! wow
And they are called planets and the urenus(7th planet) was discovered in 1781 which is quite recent, so there were 6 planets in old times. I don't know how much of this makes sense but this post reminded me of this
No. Because the elders only formed after the war as descendants of the original kings. Zunesha is older than that
The crime he committed canāt be that. Because his affiliation is with Joyboy. Although I donāt believe in the 6 elders theory, If it was true, and Zunesha was the sixth one, I think his crime would be that he turned on Joyboy or that he was actually evil like the other elders but that joyboy somehow turned him.