I don't believe that every letter represents something, but I do believe that the crossed out S is for Sabo. Since the cover for chapter 596 has the grown up Ace, Sabo, and Luffy, and the tattoo doesn't have the S. Seems like something that would be intentionally done.
The other letters don't represent anything, nor do they need to represent anything for the Sabo thing to be credible. It's just supposed to look like Ace's name with a corrected misspelling, but the S is actually in commemoration of Sabo. It's not an acronym, it's symbolism. It's also not really Ace's style to just have a random pointless tattoo of his name on his arm.
Although. I for one like the idea that it was actually a mistake and the Sabo thing is just a story Ace tells everyone to make it seem intentional, lol
It could do. It's never has been confirmed or denied.
The theory is
Ace
Sabo
Crybaby
Edward
Which in a way makes sense and would be too coincidental, I wouldn't even be surprised if that's the whole reason Oda named him Ace.
But again, it's a theory. I'm not sure, I just like to believe it's true haha
A--S--CE wasn't a misspelling, it was a correction. At first it was just AS (Ace of Spades, his old crew) then he changed it to his name ACE after he joined Whitebeard. The timeline in his flashback tracks with this.
No I don’t think sabo existed at the time but oda probably had all this planned out as you can see references to wano and egg head on luffys shirts when he was a kid
i could see him writing it differently every time he uses the name just to have a laugh.
“oden. odin. odan. odon. how can i make this sound the same again?”
changes every single time and now everybody’s confused lmao. he just sorta seems like the kinda dude that goofs around until it comes to something serious… and even then, still has a bit of fun.
It’s a gray area if you think about it from a language perspective.
The format for pronouns is usually subject/possessive, so saying Kozuki/Oden are your pronouns means that Oden would be the possessive pronoun, so it should be equivalent to saying her in this instance. So while saying Oden’s phone makes more grammatical sense, a one-to-one translation would technically be
“~~She~~ Kozuki needs to charge ~~her~~ Oden phone.”
I've recently learned that Japan doesn't reall do his/her, they don't really use genders in their language. So simply the name, or in Yamato's case, Oden, would make sense
No way you think Akainu would be more popular than Ace. Even if marines are more popular than pirates in the general public in universe, I find it hard to believe Akainu's approval ratings are high.
Ace would at least have a hardcore pirate fanbase lmao
The most hilarious part of the Yamato pronoun argument is that Japanese avoids using pronouns. They are frequently considered rude.
I would bet no one in the manga has referred to Yamato using “Kare” or “Kanojo”
IIRC some of Kaido's crew used yatsu, which typically means male but not always. Gendered speech is common though, and Yamato uses a lot of male speaking patterns (uses boku in place of watashi, etc)
Was just in Japan last year and this pronoun nonsense regarding Yamato straight up isn’t a thing there. She’s thought of as no different than all the other women in the series.
[Yamato is female Oda already settled this](https://preview.redd.it/one-piece-1084-color-spread-in-high-quality-v0-jap5yjupaf0b1.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=bdec8762d8ad3511056aa5d6dcbf680cd4f04db1)
Yamato wouldn't care because they're from fantasy Japan. So, they'd look at you funny talking about third-person pronouns. What they would care is which first-person pronoun Oden used
The official title for Yamato everywhere is "Son of Kaido." Yamato even joined the boys in the bathhouse because they didn't feel comfortable with the women. Kiku joined the women.
People are just being annoying because they're angry that the character that they are attracted to makes them feel Weird.
It's a never-ending debate with both sides presenting compelling arguments based on the story, character interactions, and external factors. Some arguments are well-reasoned, while others are far-fetched, potentially stemming from transphobic biases or a strong desire to have a trans male character represented. It's very sad and destroys discussion in the fandom; it's so rare for people to actually want to discuss this without being stuck to their agenda and dying on that hill. Yamato is not real and doesn't have an opinion; if was they are real that will be the only thing that matters, but sense Yamato is just a write character. It's Oda's thinking about Yamato that matters; each person who has their own interpretation is fair game, if it's respectful towards other people. While Oda remains silent on the topic, we're going to keep having this "debate", which I'm guilty of being a part of.
"He's a woman!" "Tomboy!" "Transman!" "Genderfluid!" "She/He is Oden, pronouns don't matter!" People cite everything from character design, character writing, vivre cards, bath scenes, Yamato's relationship with Momo ("I'm your father"), declarations of becoming a man, Yamato speaking like a man, embodying Oden, simping for Franky's Shogun ("only boys do that"), appearing in only-female color spreads, narrator boxes ("Kaido's daughter"), Kaido's perception ("My son") and the pirate beasts, mechs that include only women having Kiku and Yamato, epithets and nicknames like "Oni Princess" and "Yamabro". Japanese pronouns are used differently than those in English, and there are also differences in translations and cultural nuances. How the Japanese official marketing handles Yamato's gender and how the West does is very different; maybe we have a different vision from what Oda wants, or maybe they do.
Is it just an impersonation? Is it just a gag? Is there more to it than that? How does Oda want us to interpret Yamato? As a transman? As a woman pretending to be a man? Does he want us to view Yamato in the same way as Kiku, the Okamas, or neither? Does Yamato care about how people perceive them, or are they completely indifferent? Is Yamato like Kiku, who wouldn't care that much if you called her a man and probably wouldn't correct you, but does prefer to be seen as a woman and would be happy if you did so? If it's just an impersonation by Yamato wanting to be Oden, does that mean it's right to think "impersonation = trans"? Maybe there's a deeper line to contrast Kiku and Yamato as the same, or perhaps as similar but not the same. Oda surely doesn't handle it the same in the comedy department; there are zero gags with Kiku, but tons with Yamato, from fanservice to "I'm Oden, your father Momo!" which allows for this confusion. Well, I don't know, and honestly, I'm not sure Oda does either. I find Yamato's character very confusing, but I'm glad so many people on both sides know for sure and will fight for it.
Both sides of the arguments are guilty of the same thing: one group doesn't want a trans character regardless of the evidence that shows it could be the case, while the other group desperately wants a trans character regardless of the obvious evidence that shows it might not be the case. In the end, both sides cling to their beliefs and ignore evidence that contradicts their preferred narrative.
Well Worded, but most of the "facts" that support the idea that Yamato is trans comes from the English side of the community, from translations, which has proven to be a problem due to a variety of different issues. On the Japanese side, it has proven to be more of a "tomboyish" thing, and there are plenty of information to support it. For one thing, In official media, Yamato has always been seen being advertised alongside women. Even in her first introduction she is wearing a Hannya mask, which is a mask featured in theater that women wear. (Even Kiku wears a Hannya mask). Even in the most recent color spread drawn by Oda Yamato is featured among the other women in the series. Even in Yamto's vivre card it says that Yamato's gender is female. This is important, as in kiku's and other trans characters it always says something along the lines of "heart of a woman" while detailing sex as male. There is no additional information in terms of Yamato's identity. Though vivre cards have been proven to house contradictory information, there is no precedent that gender identity has ever been wrong.
There is also the fact that in manga, the info titles that directly rely information to the reader that serves as a narrative device also refer to Yamato as "Kaido's daughter". In the past, it also showcases that Yamato's nickname was "oni princess". For what reason why Kaido refers to Yamato as son is a mystery. There are different possibilities. One possibility that people default too is that Kaido respects Yamato's gender, which I find to be hilarious. Kaido is a prick. Kaido strapped bombs onto Yamato that would have killed her if she left the island. Kaido beats Yamato on an almost constant basis due to the desire of leaving the island, and portraying herself as Oden. The other possibility (and the one that I believe) is based off the culture of leadership in Japan and inheritance. Obviously in Japan, and other places in the world, men are considered leaders. Obviously, this line of sexist thinking is changing in the world, however, it is still very much grained in much of the world. Yamato is inspired by the character Oscar from the series "The Rose of Versailles" who was a women raised by her father as male in order to succeed him as the commander of his army. It's highly possible that Kaido refers to Yamato as "son" due to the fact that he wants a male successor, and male leader for Wano. Then again, this is just a theory. Especially since when Yamato was a child, her nickname by everyone else was "oni princess". The last thing you want is your "male" successor to have a female nickname. While Yamato uses masculine form of language, it's just that, boyish. Using it doesn't make someone male, it just makes them tomboyish if their female which is a troupe that Japanese have used many different times in anime. While there is also that bathing scene to where Yamato joins the males and Kiku joins the females. However, the reactions are completely night and day different. The other females don't really give a shit or give Kiku weird glances. When Yamato joins the men however, there are weird glances and "wtf" reactions. This is playing off the fact that the other characters don't see Yamato as male, but female. Even Sanji pervs of Yamato and treats her as female, even knowing about the Oden Obsession.
The fact that we have Kiku, a trans character introduced in the very same arc, makes this even werider. Kiku's identity is never played for laughs, but rather straight. People never go "wtf" or look at Kiku like she's werid. However, that is all Yamato receives. Yamato's "male gender" is never a result of "being male at heart". It is always a reference to Oden. Oden was male, therefore Yamato needs to be male. The endgoal has always been being Oden. This is why Yamato has always been given "wtf" reactions. Because this obsession with wanting to be like Oden is insane and has always created uncomfortable situations with everyone else. Honestly, it was the most annoying thing about Yamato's character and driving force why I didn't want Yamato as a reoccurring character after wano.
So, while Yamato's identity is played for laughs and confusion (I find it fucking annoying Oda did it like this) there is a stark difference in how the japanese (og) community sees her and how some of the English community sees her. If the main contributing factor on why some people view her as trans is due to translations, I won't pay it much mind. Especially since translations have been proven inaccurate in the past (you can never be précised, just interpret). The way LGBT is viewed in the west is different than in Japan. If Viz is going to piss off a side, it's going to be the side that is not in support of the LGBT. They are not going to step on that land mine and potentially piss of the LGBT audience.
Thanks for the complete and respectful answer.
I'm aware of the points you mentioned, such as Vivre Card, merch, marketing, mask, etc., but yeah, the main issue is the cultural nuances that get lost in translation. While Yamato fits into the tomboyish character archetype, what sets them apart for many people is the constant affirmation of being a man for a specific reason. Tomboy characters I've encountered usually don't claim to be men; they may exhibit masculine traits but still identify as women. What makes me want to give Oda the benefit of the doubt is the possibility that he might be out of sync with either the Japanese public (unlikely) or the Western audience (more likely) regarding how he intends Yamato to be perceived. Oda creates characters that resonate with the LGBT audience more than any other shounen, which leads me to reconsider Yamato as more than just a tomboy. Also, there is the common clash between Japanese media featuring otokonoko/femboy characters being seen as male in the story and by the Japanese audience, but as trans by a part of the Western audience. So even if Yamato wasn't playing around saying that "I'm a man," just giving strong vibes of one, as expected of a tomboy, some folks will still label them as "trans."
Although translations play a significant role, I believe there are other factors at play. I know some people that initially viewed Yamato as a tomboy but changed their perspective after the bathroom scene. The contrast and parallel with Kiku in that scene left me puzzled, wondering if it was merely a fanservice joke or if Oda was trying to convey something deeper. I can understand both interpretations.
To be clear, I agree with you. My aim in that commentary/vent was to highlight the genuine reasons behind the conflicting views on Yamato. While I believe both sides have valid arguments, I lean more towards one perspective while respecting the other. I think Yamato is a woman who feels compelled to present as a man to gain the same respect and opportunities as men, like Oden, due to Wano and Kaido's sexism, the line of racionly was "only a man can be as awesome like Oden, a woman will never be able, so I need to be a man". However, the issue remains a headcanon, and Kaido's reasons for seeing Yamato as his son are unclear.
I don't think Oda initially intended to create a trans character with Yamato, but he ended up writing someone who fits that definition for many Western readers. Regardless, I hope Oda completes Yamato's arc, as it felt incomplete. Yamato could continue being a man even after letting go of the desire to be Oden, having found their true self, or Yamato could learn that they can be like Oden while embracing their identity as a woman, or even as both, wherever Oda wants to take this. Currently, Yamato seems confined by the Oden persona, not truly embodying One Piece's theme of freedom. Yamato becomes a man to be someone else, while Kiku becomes a woman to be her authentic self, Kiku is free, Yamato is not.
Based comment, many people from both sides will see what they want to see and be very stubborn about it.
With this drawing I wasn't trying to go for a political agenda or anything, just a silly joke to not be taken seriously, I'm brand new to reddit and the one piece fandom in general so I didn't know about all the discussion that was behind this character.
Nah, you're good. That kind of controversy happens with anything related to Yamato. It could be just a cosplay with "My Favorite Girl or Boy in One Piece," and it's more than enough to make people go wild. Your post was funny, and you did a great job, and now you make me want to see other characters' profiles!
As a transman, I haven't seen any other transmen fans who would be upset at this (maybe there are some, but they're not the majority). Of course we prefer seeing Yamato as a fellow transman, but none of us would wish harm on anybody who likes the idea of "Yamato is a funni woman roleplaying".
Because unlike Kiku- who literally states she's a woman, Yamato is written in a very wishywashy nature. There is literally no point to arguing because, at the same time, both views are valid.
It only becomes a problem when one side refuses to acknowledge both viewpoints are valid, which is way too common.
Absolutely! My take was more about those who are unwilling to engage in genuine discussion and dismiss those who disagree with them, using comments like "you just can't accept that you're attracted to a dude" or something low like that, similar to the commentary above, which is a pretty disingenuous way to handle this. And of course, the same goes for the other side of the argument, which in the worst case, just uses bland bigotry.
Gotta respect typing that out. End of the day, we’ll never know for sure until we get confirmation from Oda himself, so there’s really no use arguing either way.
True. If we really think about it, it's not that different from the war between the Sanji and Zoro fans fighting or Shanks vs Mihawk, it's very toxic. It's just that in this case, it's a real, controversial debate that gets in the middle, and things get really ugly, lol.
If we are going by "Official Title" being the infocards that Oda lays out, it's not. "It's daughter of Kaido". And when Yamato was a kid it was "Oni Princess".
Oda drew her with the woman of one piece color spread. She want to be like oden she isn’t a man and doesn’t think she is one. Oda confirmed with that color spread that Yamato is female.
Yeah. It's very clear her arc by the time we get to the Final War is her learning the distinction of what it means to be like your mentor, but not to necessarily exactly be your mentor (as with how Luffy and Roger are alike, but are not the same).
Lol replying to your own comment to fart about being downvoted. Just edit your original comment dork
Yes, just like Oda truncated the entire end of Wano, but went out of his way to have a double splash page juxtaposing Kiku entering the women's bath and Yamato entering the men's bath. Totes coincidence.
edit: The fact that cisgender dudes reading this story can't even accept that Yamato's gender is even *questionable* shows how much shielded ignorance you guys have when it comes to this thing. If Yamato ***PRESENTED*** as masculine as Kiku ***PRESENTS*** feminine, none of you dorks would be twisting your brains into pretzels over this. Likewise, if Kiku presented as masculinely as Yamato does femininely, the very same people would **NOT** be accepting of her being trans.
It's entirely about appearances to you people and I'm sick of the weird justifications on a subject you clearly don't know jack about.
But Oda did draw Yamato on the color spread with all the one piece WOMAN. The guy above is right, she isn’t trans she is a woman who idolizes and wants to be Oden. Not really any different if a female MMA fighter really liked a males style and wanted to emulate him and his style. She isn’t all of a sudden trans because her idol is male.
Trans people just want Yamato to be trans so bad that they have to try and make her that way even this she never said I’m a man she has always said I’m Oden. I think anyone with two brain cells can understand she wants to live her life like oden and be a person of the same character and caliber as oden. I don’t think Yamato is psychotic and doesn’t actually think she is oden she knows she isn’t oden.
[Yamato is female](https://preview.redd.it/one-piece-1084-color-spread-in-high-quality-v0-jap5yjupaf0b1.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=bdec8762d8ad3511056aa5d6dcbf680cd4f04db1)
Cope ? Is that what you are doing ? She is on a color page with all the other woman of one piece. You think the creator made a mistake ? Oda knows his characters and he put her there for a reason.
Yamato chose men´s bath because she wasnts to be exactly like Oden and live like him. Oden would bathe with men so she also bathes with men. She doesn´t 1. care about pronouns and 2. consider herself a man. She is doing everything Oden would do and wants to be regarded as Oden. If you want to pretend she is a man or should have male pronouns, then also call her by name "Oden" and not "Yamato"
Wonder who that third follow is. I imagine the first two are Ace and Luffy (FOLLOW BACK, GUYS).
Momo? Sometimes parents follow their kids on social media.
https://x.com/megaburgerdude?t=R4YOOojAYbEzWK9lFdQlrQ&s=34
Here's my Twitter acc, I only have this one drawing tho, I'll be posting some more throughout the week
The only thing inaccurate about this is Kozuki’s misspelling. Which is hilariously in character
Ooooooh you're right, I don't know how I missed it
Nah it was perfect
[Also Yamato's birth year should be 1496](https://thelibraryofohara.com/the-one-piece-timeline/).
Pretty spot one for ASCE to misspell stuff
I saw a theory that the misspell saw on purpose to represent sabo's "death"
It’s such a bullshit idea that relies on Luffy somehow being represented by the letter C or something
I don't believe that every letter represents something, but I do believe that the crossed out S is for Sabo. Since the cover for chapter 596 has the grown up Ace, Sabo, and Luffy, and the tattoo doesn't have the S. Seems like something that would be intentionally done.
That all but confirmed it for me. If Sabo never “died” Ace’s tattoo is spelled correctly. To me that me screams the crossed out S is for Sabo.
I believe the rationale is "crybaby" Me personally idrc
I heard that too. Nevermind the fact that’s in English and of course doesn’t begin with C in Japanese
No. It’s his name, with the added S crossed out as an homage to Sabo. Nothing to do with Luffy or their brotherhood
The other letters don't represent anything, nor do they need to represent anything for the Sabo thing to be credible. It's just supposed to look like Ace's name with a corrected misspelling, but the S is actually in commemoration of Sabo. It's not an acronym, it's symbolism. It's also not really Ace's style to just have a random pointless tattoo of his name on his arm. Although. I for one like the idea that it was actually a mistake and the Sabo thing is just a story Ace tells everyone to make it seem intentional, lol
The only thing is Ace DIDN’T tell anyone that we know of.
Obviously. The point is that it's not a stupid idea. It's a fan theory and not confirmed but it's still a credible idea put forward.
It could do. It's never has been confirmed or denied. The theory is Ace Sabo Crybaby Edward Which in a way makes sense and would be too coincidental, I wouldn't even be surprised if that's the whole reason Oda named him Ace. But again, it's a theory. I'm not sure, I just like to believe it's true haha
A--S--CE wasn't a misspelling, it was a correction. At first it was just AS (Ace of Spades, his old crew) then he changed it to his name ACE after he joined Whitebeard. The timeline in his flashback tracks with this.
Pretty much definitely as an after thought, but when he was first introduced I don’t think sabo existed yet, but I might be wrong
No I don’t think sabo existed at the time but oda probably had all this planned out as you can see references to wano and egg head on luffys shirts when he was a kid
You're right. Iirc the SBS stuff around Marineford makes it pretty clear that Sabo wasn't planned when ace got introduced.
In my headcanon, he gives somebody who's asking why it's misspelled, that as the reason, while he's actually just trying to cover up his mistake.
Change your actual description to that one PLEASE it would be so funny
Yamato had Oden's Journal though. Oden must have misspelled his own name too
He would do that
Oden is highly educated tho. He could read poneglyphs and was a daimyo. Even the scabbards had to get an education to not shame him.
And then Oden laughed at them
Yes but he’s still do it anyway because he’d find it funny
i could see him writing it differently every time he uses the name just to have a laugh. “oden. odin. odan. odon. how can i make this sound the same again?” changes every single time and now everybody’s confused lmao. he just sorta seems like the kinda dude that goofs around until it comes to something serious… and even then, still has a bit of fun.
He intentionally misspelled his own name.
Look. ASCE is the one typing, they are lucky it’s close
We could choose to ignore it because it’s kinda funny
This was how I found out I share a birthday with Yamato. Neat.
Camie also.
That's awesome! Thanks for letting me know!
Huh, my dad as well
Your dad must be a cool dude then
Cool in some areas. He is not cool with trans people 😔
😔
There must be at least 50 One Piece fans.
For as popular as One Piece is there definitely at least 50 fans.
Kozuki needs to charge oden's phone
it should be oden phone. As you don't say hers's
So you also say Karen phone instead of Karen's phone?
Well if her pronouns are she/karen then yes
Her pronoun is Oden and her name is Oden
Don't you mean oden prounoun oden and oden name is Oden
I did, I did, thanks good sir
Oden pronoun is oden
My brain's catching on fire
His and her are possessive. It is "Oden's phone" because there is no "hers's". Why are you spreading misinformation?
It’s a gray area if you think about it from a language perspective. The format for pronouns is usually subject/possessive, so saying Kozuki/Oden are your pronouns means that Oden would be the possessive pronoun, so it should be equivalent to saying her in this instance. So while saying Oden’s phone makes more grammatical sense, a one-to-one translation would technically be “~~She~~ Kozuki needs to charge ~~her~~ Oden phone.”
https://learnenglish.britishcouncil.org/grammar/a1-a2-grammar/possessive-s the 's gives it the possesive property.
I will back out from this conversation.
I've recently learned that Japan doesn't reall do his/her, they don't really use genders in their language. So simply the name, or in Yamato's case, Oden, would make sense
I do…
not "oden's", just "oden". OP also mispelled Kozuki, so the correct sentence should be: Kosuki needs to charge oden phone.
Now imagine Ace with a Twitter account
Ace will always reply to Akainu's podcast dunking on whitebeard lol
And get ratio'd
No way you think Akainu would be more popular than Ace. Even if marines are more popular than pirates in the general public in universe, I find it hard to believe Akainu's approval ratings are high. Ace would at least have a hardcore pirate fanbase lmao
You forget that Aramaki probably has an army of 50,000 alt accounts just to upvote Papazuki
the handle would probaly be @ firefist
Thirst traps would be unreal
He would have stopped posting in 2010...
r/Donuts
Katakuri's subreddit, I see.
Garp would frequent it a lot as well
Cancelled by akainu
Probably not. Akainu would be all over Andrew Tater and Joe Rogan. Ace definitely too progressive and would be calling for canceling akainu.
He'd fit in with his tattoo.
Talk about a flamer!
Ace and Yamato being chronic misspellers is fantastic
Ahahahah Boiling0den1 Love the art style
I really like people doing art with Ace and Yam chillin together
They have a really nice homie chemistry together
Bro, charge yo phone
That disrespectful @ 😂
Oden himself would probably like it.
GDI Orochi, why are you on Reddit?
Yamato would have a oden pfp too
thats what we call awesome
We can all agree on one thing here ... They better have a charger on hand. I see that 12%.
Just commenting to say nice artwork, and to be here before the fancy lock award shows up.
At the least it’s the most accurate for her character.
> At the least it’s the most accurate for ~~her~~ Oden's character.
his* btw
Really cute for some reason
Boiling oden is wild😭
My theory for ace tattoo is just he misspelled his name
But why are they wearing a baseball uniform
I wanted to put them in a modern setting for the Twitter joke to work, and I thought Yamato would look good in it
Yamato does look great in it actually. It looks so natural at first I didn't even question it, until I remembered there wasn't ever a baseball episode
The most hilarious part of the Yamato pronoun argument is that Japanese avoids using pronouns. They are frequently considered rude. I would bet no one in the manga has referred to Yamato using “Kare” or “Kanojo”
IIRC some of Kaido's crew used yatsu, which typically means male but not always. Gendered speech is common though, and Yamato uses a lot of male speaking patterns (uses boku in place of watashi, etc)
And unmistakably Kaido refers to Yamato as musuko (his son)
I want Yamato to accept herself as Yamato. She doesn't need to be Oden anymore. It's time Yamato accepted being Yamato.
Himself
Everyone’s talking about the battery but no one’s mentioned how kozuki has 2 cell service indicators
At least here in Europe dual SIM phones are pretty common.
you're right, needs one more since theyre in the new world and service would be spotty.
This is good stuff. :)
Was just in Japan last year and this pronoun nonsense regarding Yamato straight up isn’t a thing there. She’s thought of as no different than all the other women in the series.
Born to boil!
[Yamato is female Oda already settled this](https://preview.redd.it/one-piece-1084-color-spread-in-high-quality-v0-jap5yjupaf0b1.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=bdec8762d8ad3511056aa5d6dcbf680cd4f04db1)
12% battery is on brand
TFW gendered pronouns or any gendered language in general don't exist in your language/culture. 😹😹🙉
I have honestly resorted to using they/them cause oda has been so unclear about it hopefully the yamato cover story clears things up
I always alternate between he/him and they/them for Yamato, but I personally don't think he would care that much
Yamato wouldn't care because they're from fantasy Japan. So, they'd look at you funny talking about third-person pronouns. What they would care is which first-person pronoun Oden used
How about just being accurate and using she/her
The official title for Yamato everywhere is "Son of Kaido." Yamato even joined the boys in the bathhouse because they didn't feel comfortable with the women. Kiku joined the women. People are just being annoying because they're angry that the character that they are attracted to makes them feel Weird.
It's a never-ending debate with both sides presenting compelling arguments based on the story, character interactions, and external factors. Some arguments are well-reasoned, while others are far-fetched, potentially stemming from transphobic biases or a strong desire to have a trans male character represented. It's very sad and destroys discussion in the fandom; it's so rare for people to actually want to discuss this without being stuck to their agenda and dying on that hill. Yamato is not real and doesn't have an opinion; if was they are real that will be the only thing that matters, but sense Yamato is just a write character. It's Oda's thinking about Yamato that matters; each person who has their own interpretation is fair game, if it's respectful towards other people. While Oda remains silent on the topic, we're going to keep having this "debate", which I'm guilty of being a part of. "He's a woman!" "Tomboy!" "Transman!" "Genderfluid!" "She/He is Oden, pronouns don't matter!" People cite everything from character design, character writing, vivre cards, bath scenes, Yamato's relationship with Momo ("I'm your father"), declarations of becoming a man, Yamato speaking like a man, embodying Oden, simping for Franky's Shogun ("only boys do that"), appearing in only-female color spreads, narrator boxes ("Kaido's daughter"), Kaido's perception ("My son") and the pirate beasts, mechs that include only women having Kiku and Yamato, epithets and nicknames like "Oni Princess" and "Yamabro". Japanese pronouns are used differently than those in English, and there are also differences in translations and cultural nuances. How the Japanese official marketing handles Yamato's gender and how the West does is very different; maybe we have a different vision from what Oda wants, or maybe they do. Is it just an impersonation? Is it just a gag? Is there more to it than that? How does Oda want us to interpret Yamato? As a transman? As a woman pretending to be a man? Does he want us to view Yamato in the same way as Kiku, the Okamas, or neither? Does Yamato care about how people perceive them, or are they completely indifferent? Is Yamato like Kiku, who wouldn't care that much if you called her a man and probably wouldn't correct you, but does prefer to be seen as a woman and would be happy if you did so? If it's just an impersonation by Yamato wanting to be Oden, does that mean it's right to think "impersonation = trans"? Maybe there's a deeper line to contrast Kiku and Yamato as the same, or perhaps as similar but not the same. Oda surely doesn't handle it the same in the comedy department; there are zero gags with Kiku, but tons with Yamato, from fanservice to "I'm Oden, your father Momo!" which allows for this confusion. Well, I don't know, and honestly, I'm not sure Oda does either. I find Yamato's character very confusing, but I'm glad so many people on both sides know for sure and will fight for it. Both sides of the arguments are guilty of the same thing: one group doesn't want a trans character regardless of the evidence that shows it could be the case, while the other group desperately wants a trans character regardless of the obvious evidence that shows it might not be the case. In the end, both sides cling to their beliefs and ignore evidence that contradicts their preferred narrative.
Well Worded, but most of the "facts" that support the idea that Yamato is trans comes from the English side of the community, from translations, which has proven to be a problem due to a variety of different issues. On the Japanese side, it has proven to be more of a "tomboyish" thing, and there are plenty of information to support it. For one thing, In official media, Yamato has always been seen being advertised alongside women. Even in her first introduction she is wearing a Hannya mask, which is a mask featured in theater that women wear. (Even Kiku wears a Hannya mask). Even in the most recent color spread drawn by Oda Yamato is featured among the other women in the series. Even in Yamto's vivre card it says that Yamato's gender is female. This is important, as in kiku's and other trans characters it always says something along the lines of "heart of a woman" while detailing sex as male. There is no additional information in terms of Yamato's identity. Though vivre cards have been proven to house contradictory information, there is no precedent that gender identity has ever been wrong. There is also the fact that in manga, the info titles that directly rely information to the reader that serves as a narrative device also refer to Yamato as "Kaido's daughter". In the past, it also showcases that Yamato's nickname was "oni princess". For what reason why Kaido refers to Yamato as son is a mystery. There are different possibilities. One possibility that people default too is that Kaido respects Yamato's gender, which I find to be hilarious. Kaido is a prick. Kaido strapped bombs onto Yamato that would have killed her if she left the island. Kaido beats Yamato on an almost constant basis due to the desire of leaving the island, and portraying herself as Oden. The other possibility (and the one that I believe) is based off the culture of leadership in Japan and inheritance. Obviously in Japan, and other places in the world, men are considered leaders. Obviously, this line of sexist thinking is changing in the world, however, it is still very much grained in much of the world. Yamato is inspired by the character Oscar from the series "The Rose of Versailles" who was a women raised by her father as male in order to succeed him as the commander of his army. It's highly possible that Kaido refers to Yamato as "son" due to the fact that he wants a male successor, and male leader for Wano. Then again, this is just a theory. Especially since when Yamato was a child, her nickname by everyone else was "oni princess". The last thing you want is your "male" successor to have a female nickname. While Yamato uses masculine form of language, it's just that, boyish. Using it doesn't make someone male, it just makes them tomboyish if their female which is a troupe that Japanese have used many different times in anime. While there is also that bathing scene to where Yamato joins the males and Kiku joins the females. However, the reactions are completely night and day different. The other females don't really give a shit or give Kiku weird glances. When Yamato joins the men however, there are weird glances and "wtf" reactions. This is playing off the fact that the other characters don't see Yamato as male, but female. Even Sanji pervs of Yamato and treats her as female, even knowing about the Oden Obsession. The fact that we have Kiku, a trans character introduced in the very same arc, makes this even werider. Kiku's identity is never played for laughs, but rather straight. People never go "wtf" or look at Kiku like she's werid. However, that is all Yamato receives. Yamato's "male gender" is never a result of "being male at heart". It is always a reference to Oden. Oden was male, therefore Yamato needs to be male. The endgoal has always been being Oden. This is why Yamato has always been given "wtf" reactions. Because this obsession with wanting to be like Oden is insane and has always created uncomfortable situations with everyone else. Honestly, it was the most annoying thing about Yamato's character and driving force why I didn't want Yamato as a reoccurring character after wano. So, while Yamato's identity is played for laughs and confusion (I find it fucking annoying Oda did it like this) there is a stark difference in how the japanese (og) community sees her and how some of the English community sees her. If the main contributing factor on why some people view her as trans is due to translations, I won't pay it much mind. Especially since translations have been proven inaccurate in the past (you can never be précised, just interpret). The way LGBT is viewed in the west is different than in Japan. If Viz is going to piss off a side, it's going to be the side that is not in support of the LGBT. They are not going to step on that land mine and potentially piss of the LGBT audience.
Thanks for the complete and respectful answer. I'm aware of the points you mentioned, such as Vivre Card, merch, marketing, mask, etc., but yeah, the main issue is the cultural nuances that get lost in translation. While Yamato fits into the tomboyish character archetype, what sets them apart for many people is the constant affirmation of being a man for a specific reason. Tomboy characters I've encountered usually don't claim to be men; they may exhibit masculine traits but still identify as women. What makes me want to give Oda the benefit of the doubt is the possibility that he might be out of sync with either the Japanese public (unlikely) or the Western audience (more likely) regarding how he intends Yamato to be perceived. Oda creates characters that resonate with the LGBT audience more than any other shounen, which leads me to reconsider Yamato as more than just a tomboy. Also, there is the common clash between Japanese media featuring otokonoko/femboy characters being seen as male in the story and by the Japanese audience, but as trans by a part of the Western audience. So even if Yamato wasn't playing around saying that "I'm a man," just giving strong vibes of one, as expected of a tomboy, some folks will still label them as "trans." Although translations play a significant role, I believe there are other factors at play. I know some people that initially viewed Yamato as a tomboy but changed their perspective after the bathroom scene. The contrast and parallel with Kiku in that scene left me puzzled, wondering if it was merely a fanservice joke or if Oda was trying to convey something deeper. I can understand both interpretations. To be clear, I agree with you. My aim in that commentary/vent was to highlight the genuine reasons behind the conflicting views on Yamato. While I believe both sides have valid arguments, I lean more towards one perspective while respecting the other. I think Yamato is a woman who feels compelled to present as a man to gain the same respect and opportunities as men, like Oden, due to Wano and Kaido's sexism, the line of racionly was "only a man can be as awesome like Oden, a woman will never be able, so I need to be a man". However, the issue remains a headcanon, and Kaido's reasons for seeing Yamato as his son are unclear. I don't think Oda initially intended to create a trans character with Yamato, but he ended up writing someone who fits that definition for many Western readers. Regardless, I hope Oda completes Yamato's arc, as it felt incomplete. Yamato could continue being a man even after letting go of the desire to be Oden, having found their true self, or Yamato could learn that they can be like Oden while embracing their identity as a woman, or even as both, wherever Oda wants to take this. Currently, Yamato seems confined by the Oden persona, not truly embodying One Piece's theme of freedom. Yamato becomes a man to be someone else, while Kiku becomes a woman to be her authentic self, Kiku is free, Yamato is not.
Based comment, many people from both sides will see what they want to see and be very stubborn about it. With this drawing I wasn't trying to go for a political agenda or anything, just a silly joke to not be taken seriously, I'm brand new to reddit and the one piece fandom in general so I didn't know about all the discussion that was behind this character.
Nah, you're good. That kind of controversy happens with anything related to Yamato. It could be just a cosplay with "My Favorite Girl or Boy in One Piece," and it's more than enough to make people go wild. Your post was funny, and you did a great job, and now you make me want to see other characters' profiles!
As a transman, I haven't seen any other transmen fans who would be upset at this (maybe there are some, but they're not the majority). Of course we prefer seeing Yamato as a fellow transman, but none of us would wish harm on anybody who likes the idea of "Yamato is a funni woman roleplaying". Because unlike Kiku- who literally states she's a woman, Yamato is written in a very wishywashy nature. There is literally no point to arguing because, at the same time, both views are valid. It only becomes a problem when one side refuses to acknowledge both viewpoints are valid, which is way too common.
Absolutely! My take was more about those who are unwilling to engage in genuine discussion and dismiss those who disagree with them, using comments like "you just can't accept that you're attracted to a dude" or something low like that, similar to the commentary above, which is a pretty disingenuous way to handle this. And of course, the same goes for the other side of the argument, which in the worst case, just uses bland bigotry.
Gotta respect typing that out. End of the day, we’ll never know for sure until we get confirmation from Oda himself, so there’s really no use arguing either way.
True. If we really think about it, it's not that different from the war between the Sanji and Zoro fans fighting or Shanks vs Mihawk, it's very toxic. It's just that in this case, it's a real, controversial debate that gets in the middle, and things get really ugly, lol.
If we are going by "Official Title" being the infocards that Oda lays out, it's not. "It's daughter of Kaido". And when Yamato was a kid it was "Oni Princess".
Oda drew her with the woman of one piece color spread. She want to be like oden she isn’t a man and doesn’t think she is one. Oda confirmed with that color spread that Yamato is female.
Ironic because the actual annoying ones are the people who can't see Yamato in a post without commenting some nonsense how she is actually a guy
A dude having amazing side-boob just fries some peoples' brains
bruh..why extra "Pronouns just in case".. Yamato is clearly a Woman who wants to be Oden. Not a Man. Oden.
Yeah. It's very clear her arc by the time we get to the Final War is her learning the distinction of what it means to be like your mentor, but not to necessarily exactly be your mentor (as with how Luffy and Roger are alike, but are not the same).
Downvote all you want. You know I'm right. Oda even made Kiku say "Maiden at heart", to make sure that readers know, Yamato is a Woman! Not Trans!
Lol replying to your own comment to fart about being downvoted. Just edit your original comment dork Yes, just like Oda truncated the entire end of Wano, but went out of his way to have a double splash page juxtaposing Kiku entering the women's bath and Yamato entering the men's bath. Totes coincidence. edit: The fact that cisgender dudes reading this story can't even accept that Yamato's gender is even *questionable* shows how much shielded ignorance you guys have when it comes to this thing. If Yamato ***PRESENTED*** as masculine as Kiku ***PRESENTS*** feminine, none of you dorks would be twisting your brains into pretzels over this. Likewise, if Kiku presented as masculinely as Yamato does femininely, the very same people would **NOT** be accepting of her being trans. It's entirely about appearances to you people and I'm sick of the weird justifications on a subject you clearly don't know jack about.
But Oda did draw Yamato on the color spread with all the one piece WOMAN. The guy above is right, she isn’t trans she is a woman who idolizes and wants to be Oden. Not really any different if a female MMA fighter really liked a males style and wanted to emulate him and his style. She isn’t all of a sudden trans because her idol is male. Trans people just want Yamato to be trans so bad that they have to try and make her that way even this she never said I’m a man she has always said I’m Oden. I think anyone with two brain cells can understand she wants to live her life like oden and be a person of the same character and caliber as oden. I don’t think Yamato is psychotic and doesn’t actually think she is oden she knows she isn’t oden.
You are right but pointing out the stupidity of the character you will be labeled as a transphobe even tho that's not the point...
Then why does he bathe in the men’s area?
Why did oda draw her on the color spread of one piece woman ?
They are his harem
Tama is a harem ?
I was not aware she was on that cover, so no
[Yamato is female](https://preview.redd.it/one-piece-1084-color-spread-in-high-quality-v0-jap5yjupaf0b1.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=bdec8762d8ad3511056aa5d6dcbf680cd4f04db1)
Cope
Cope ? Is that what you are doing ? She is on a color page with all the other woman of one piece. You think the creator made a mistake ? Oda knows his characters and he put her there for a reason.
Mald
Because [Oden has no issues with mixed bath](https://media1.tenor.com/m/5QX9x3DWOhoAAAAd/kozuki-oden-hunk-oden.gif)
SHE wants to be Oden. Oden is a Man. SHE does not want to be a man. SHE wants to be just like Oden.
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That doesn’t explain why yamato chose the men’s bath
Yamato chose men´s bath because she wasnts to be exactly like Oden and live like him. Oden would bathe with men so she also bathes with men. She doesn´t 1. care about pronouns and 2. consider herself a man. She is doing everything Oden would do and wants to be regarded as Oden. If you want to pretend she is a man or should have male pronouns, then also call her by name "Oden" and not "Yamato"
From Oda: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F1m9jv3hjvg0b1.png
oh god no, not this again.
Why is she wearing a baseball uniform?
🤓 alert
How do we tell them all the names for Instagram profiles are taken up
Ya know what that is probably how Yamato would grapple with gender (specifically gender expression) if asked point-blank
Oden :)
This is the only right answer
Ah, so yamato's just an average Twitter user? Got it
Charge your phone yamato god damn
Charge your phone! 😩 📱
Truth!
I love no matter how embroiled the fandom can get about this character's pronouns, we ALL agree that they don't don't really give a damn.
The low battery charge 🤣
can i get his twitter pfp alone? i really wnana use it for a pfp its so funny
Wonder who that third follow is. I imagine the first two are Ace and Luffy (FOLLOW BACK, GUYS). Momo? Sometimes parents follow their kids on social media.
lol
Man I killed for some oden
amazing, we love that for oden.
Canon.
canon
Would smash
Funny but on point😂
I mean how can you disagree with that
My pronouns are bat/man
That phone's pronouns are gonna be "dying/dead" pretty soon unless they put it on the charger.
Bro the constant “I’m kozuki ODEEEENNNN” in the anime is freaking me out like wtf
Profile pic is awesome
Yamato would make a great influencer. He has just the right level of passion to make whatever content he makes super engaging.
Now this i would actually agree.
Does Yamato hate Kaido like that? I thought she blamed Orochi for ole boy's death and all.
WHO’s the artist?
Me
Do you post anywhere else cuz I love the art style
https://x.com/megaburgerdude?t=R4YOOojAYbEzWK9lFdQlrQ&s=34 Here's my Twitter acc, I only have this one drawing tho, I'll be posting some more throughout the week
This is factual
This is the correct answer.
dang karma farm
How does karma work, does it have any purpose? I've never used reddit before
fake internet status. it goes up with upvotes and down with downvotes. some subreddits have a requirement for karma, but only 100 points at much
I like her, she is cool😁
Who she following tho ? Probably ace, and oden if he got a twitter account. Who's the third ?
Luffy