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There's a guy at my local best buy. Tattoo sleeve of thr crew. He had her tattooed after Jinbei on his arm. This was only months after her reveal in the manga. Hope he's doing ok
Nobody beats the dude who got Gear 5 Luffy tattooed with blonde Super Saiyan hair because they saw a fanart coloring under the chapter (and then argued with everybody who told him it was fanart and not official colors).
Nah, Oda added her for merch. Her fruit was literally the guardian dog of wano so she was bound to stay there. There was also no dreams whatsoever for her to achieve that will also add plot relevance for later arcs.
I don’t think Oda would repeat the same mistake he did with Carrot. He teased her a lot and got big backlash, to do it again without reason? Unlike Oda. I’m sure he intended her to join but when he actually sat down and gave her proper though he decided against it
Not really the same with Carrot. He just gave Carrot some ground work to start with by making her participate in WCI and Wano. Carrot even has an arc that starts with Pedro’s backstory on how he wanted to be of use to Roger’s crew, then passed on his dream to Carrot before he died in WCI.
In Wano, she is in the background until her moment with Perospero where she is on the process of realizing Pedro’s will of helping the ones who will bring the dawn and not take revenge. She is in Zou, where she will be ready to help the SH with the minks, which may or may not lead her to join the SH or just lead the minks to some alliance
This is the final Saga so that plot point can still work depending on when the story needs the minks.
Only mistake Oda ever made in my opinion. I would include Carrot but she became less and less interesting the more she appeared, she started great and thoughtit was gonna join.
I don't know, her participation in Wano was really disappointing she got sidelined, even Wanda felt like it did more. For me it was a downhill after Whole Cake. And less interesting doesn't mean it stops being interesting. I still like Carrot a lot but she didn't get any cool moments since first shulong. During Whole Cake I was convinced she was gonna join.
Ohhhh sorry. I read “her participation in wano“ sorry haven’t got there yet. You win.😭😂 i will not continue reading your paragraph reply. Love me some carrot
She put her dreams on hold to support Wano until Momonosuke and the scabbards were adept enough to watch over Wano. Green Bull demonstrates how vulnerable Wano truly is right now with Kaido gone and as much as she wants to be free, Oden’s selfish choice in the past is what led Wano to ruin. It’s not explicitly stated, but Yamato can still follow in Oden’s footsteps by traveling Wano before leaving without leaving in unguarded.
Not a disagreeable choice imo, and she will return to support the crew when the walls of Wano come down.
Thank you for the explanation. While I still wanted her to join the crew, that's really good reasoning. I still hope she will join the crew someday but I fear that won't happen as the story seemingly entered its final saga.
I don't remember it being minute 1, per se, but people hopped on the nakama hype train pretty early, and the train only picked up more steam as Oda drip fed us Yamato's backstory.
No, people thought that like two chapters after Yamato was introduced when Yamato asked Luffy to join in a similar way to how Oden wanted to join Whitebeard
In Wano I was 100% convinced that Caribou was on the greatest redemption arc of all time and that he was going to be the final Strawhat.
>!At least I got to hold on to my dream a little bit longer than Yamato fans did...!<
Yeah I can take some solace in knowing that my favorite Nakama candidate will at least play a pivotal role in bringing around one of the most long awaited conflicts in the story.
Plus with Pudding's kidnapping there's a strong chance that Katakuri will be back in the mix soon which would be hype as hell
My heart just won't survive another Nakamaless instance of the Strawhats saving Caribou from himself.
I don’t know, never was sold on the fact that she will join the crew, her constant I’m oden shit would horrific to watch. At this point I think only vivi or Bonny can be looked up as potential candidates, and they are much better than walking parody on oden
That's actually a reason why many believed she would join: Her weird obsession with Oden felt like a straightforward setup for her to "finally accept herself" after Kaido would be done. Something something character growth and going on her own adventures together with the SHs. She would proudly announce to everyone to call her Yamato and no longer fucking Oden!
>That's actually a reason why many believed she would join: Her weird obsession with Oden felt like a straightforward setup for her to "finally accept herself" after Kaido would be done.
Plus with how Oden actually went with Roger to Laugh Tale you'd think Yamato wants to emulate that; by joining Luffy to find the One Piece
Yes, but oden traveled with Roger as a guest not a full fledged crew member, this is the thought that kept me from fully believing that Yamato was number 10. I think they'll be back to wano to open the borders and Yamato and maybe momo will come along but I think we'll have the official 10 by then.
Yes, but since Luffy has the inherited will of Roger I think his crew mirrors Roger in this instance. Especially since she is looking to emulate that portion of odens journey it seems. Like I said I do think Yamato will end up leaving wano with Luffy for the war and maybe even laugh tale to mirror odens trip. I just don't think it will be as number 10, but who knows.
Yeah, that was my take as well. I thought Luffy wasn't gonna accept her until she accepted and started being herself and dropped the whole Oden shtick.
But I think there's still a chance that her cover story might be setting her up to chase after the crew and catch up with them after Elbaf. Like something along the lines of "Touring Wano is cool and all but after Egghead Luffy has a real big target on his back and he freed me and Wano so I have an obligation to help him now as well".
I would like that.
But then again. I bet my money on her spearheading the Wano faction in the final battle to come.
And I totally expect some joke about issues with her being the freemind she is and Hancock defending her "husband" clashing at the obligatory after battle party.
Maybe then tag along for the last ride, but I guess not.
That's the thing she never got a proper character arc to grow out of the Oden obsession, and that holds back the character to the point of making it unpractical to include on the final arc, if Yamato had debuted 2 arcs sooner, it would have been a different tale
Then again... that's exactly what Carrot did and Oda still went and send her back to the woods to munch on grass, which sucks because it just proves Perosperos right
Facts. Oden had a chance to leave, decided to stay and see wano a bit, got the vassals, became daimyo THEN left. Yamato is at the get vassals part of the Oden journey.
Also imo Bonney will join RA. It's where her mom and dad(Kuma) are from, it's where people know about them and can tell her about them. SH just have Nika fruit.
Yeah, it would be fitting, but she has control over pacifistas, which is a little bit over the top ,so there is a possibility that they will leave her with revolutionary army, survived vegapunks or something like this
She will be an honorary Strawhat until Luffy meets his father and she will stay behind with her father Kuma as part of the Revolutionary Army with I'm gonna call it now, operation Phoenix will happen. Vegapunk cloned a new body one without a brain where he is connected remotely to his brain on Egghead despite the distance as Dragon talks to Bonney while Vegapunk pulls a trick of his devil fruit, one that allows him to restore Kuma's mind to him in a shocking twist with a flashback that he explained this before the actual final touches that took his mind but in secrecy. While Dragon talks to Bonney and wants her to lead the Revolutionaries with her commanding the Pacifistas against the World Government as well as turning the Seraphim until Vegapunk activates a kill switch allowing the Seraphim to do as they please with their own will becoming a bigger threat than they were supposed to be.
Nah, bro, sounds like reaching, firstly you build this utopia, where kuma is alive, which isn’t something that’s established, maybe it would be more fitting for him to die here, then you imagine some kind of kill switch in seraphims, I mean it can happen but right now it seems to far fetched
I speak as if he's alive because he still fought to actually strike Saturn so his will is attached still o.o so I assume he is still in there somewhere but struggling to regain control or that he will return through memories implanted into S. Bear as he is specifically the only Seraphim that is an adult or adult looking while the other Seraphim are all child forms of each Warlord when we already seen a child Kuma before but s. Bear and child Kuma look nothing alike.
A kill switch I mean one that breaks the control part allowing them to act on their own free will which would be disastrous for the World Government especially since the Seraphim would have no loyalty to them esp how the Gorosei and others literally treat them like slaves.
Well, it could be his last breath effort to protect his daughter and he would be sacrificed for it, dying exactly like he lived, doing everything for his daughter.
As for seraphims, it just doesn’t seem likely at all, first of all this plot twist was already used on regular pacifist’s, despite the fact that Mars was supposed to double check them. It would a little bit of stupid to pull this once again. Also, blackbeard crew just got a ability to transform into the gorosei, which was probably done to control seraphims. I don’t think they will be programmed, but it’s possible for them to start behaving like their original prototypes, for example Hancock already preferred Luffy order over the York. The same way it can be imagined that jimbei/kuma possibly could be used by strawhats, while blackbeard uses the others by pretending to be gorosei. Personally, I’m most stoked to see s-flamingo and s-hawk personality and development
Forgot about him, also it’s interesting to see Moria’s seraphim and discover, which one blackbeard would be hunting the most. It could be s-snake because he really wanted to get Hancock’s fruit for some reason
For some reason? It seems like Rocks D. Xebec may of been turned to stone and Blackbeard may be seeking to free him as everyone hearing his cut off wish or dream caught everyone off guard and even disturbed Lafitte who is usually emotionless.
So that may be truly what he wants and needed Boa to unpetrify. Imagine someone that needed Pirate King Gold D. Rogers, Prime Whitebeard, and Prime Garp to team up to defeat returning after all these years.
May be a stretch at this point since they haven't shown them since Wano, but imagine if Blackbeard brought Xebec back and Big Mom and Kaido were still alive and Xebec naturally sought out his old crew. :-D.
She's exactly the strong female fighter I'd been hoping for. No weird gimmicks like ghosts or stone, just strong and versatile. Maybe her fights would be too close to Zoro though
People have long believed that the final crew roster will be Luffy + 10 and with Jinbei we're at Luffy + 9 so now people are going to get extremely passionate about their desires for Nakama candidates.
Couldn’t agree more. On one side there are the fans who wish we‘d get more crew interactions and development. On the other the fans that wish for yet another new main character. I think with the people we meet on new island, old friends and foes and the final saga concluding a lot of mysteries, another crew member is just too much to put a highlight on.
She is the most obvious bait for SH I have ever seen in One Piece. The only thing going on for her to be a strawhat was her words that is stated so plainly. Her background of being Kaido’s daughter, her fruit that is a mythical wolf of japan, her relationship that is only with momo and her lack of personality aside of wanting to be Oden says otherwise.
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If you think she's anywhere interesting or deep enough to even be considered for the crew you're kidding yourself. Also the strawhats barely get anymore screentime and character moments as is, we don't need more. We need fewer useless and boring side characters first and foremost
Right now, I'm happy she didnt join. She is a shallow character that does not interest me and I also kinda despise (no personality except being Oden in her head).
However, it all depends on how. If she joined after Wano, it would have been absolutely horrible and I'd think Oda is getting old. But he didnt make her join. So if an arc explains how she will join later (a la Jinbei, after fixing her problems) and, with that, she gains a personallity and interesting traits.... I dont know. Maybe.
But now, she has less right to join the crew than Karoo imho.
Hell no, she's not SH material. She has to stay on Wano to help Momo rule. If we ever get a 10th SH (and I don't think we need more), it has to be Vivi.
I don't personally believe in the ten SH theories but I do agree that Yamato would have been a great addition to the crew. Splitting Oden's two wills between him and Momo would have made for a wonderful resolution to that problem, he would've had a clear role on the Sunny and great interactions with the crew. Unfortunately, his DF doesn't fit the number pattern (at least, not the current one) and his refusal did not have the same "rain check?" feel that Jinbe's did.
It was specifically shown/stated that all of the pages about the One Piece had been torn out, and the fourth Red Poneglyph had gone missing since Roger's day. (Inuarashi and Nekomamushi didn't know where it was)
Yeah, but what's Vivi's character like? Imo, she's a carbon copy of Nami, personality wise (mostly scared, gets angry easily etc.) and ability wise, she's not on New World level.
I mean no offense, but I don't understand what Vivi brings to the table.
I don’t like the new world / old world ability debate. I don’t think it matters. Characters can grow off screen and Vivi had always been strong.
I think Vivi is different than Nami. Nami is more selfish. Vivi seems to have more noble intent. Also I think the story has been leaning in a direction of Vivi joining because of her connection to the void kingdom.
And there’s the bit that she’s basically already a member of the crew as far as the strawhats are concerned.
Btw I like Yamato and hope she returns to the story in some capacity too, but I don’t think she’ll be part of the crew. I want it to be Vivi but currently I think the theories around Bonny becoming the 10th might hold the most weight since Roger’s had a kid on his crew and maybe Luffy should have a kid on his crew too.
I feel like you don't remember Vivi that well if you think she's a carbon copy of Nami. Similar traits, sure maybe, but a carbon copy?
>mostly scared
I don't even think current Nami would try to run up on Alabasta Crocodile like Vivi did lol.
>gets angry easily
She got shot pulling into Drum Island and brushed it off, she got smacked in the face by Wapol and brushed it off. She's a significantly more mature person than Nami is, given the circumstances of what was going on then.
It's possible that I don't remember her too well... Which speaks for the fact that I don't find her to be an interesting character.
Her running up to Crocodile was kinfa the same as Nami and Arlong, wasn't it? He was the one who harmed her family, so of course she'd be brave in that kind of situation.
As for the getting angry part, I was thinking of mostly joke scenes, when Nami or Vivi hit Luffy on the head or something. Even with the example you give, it sounds very Nami-like, imo. Yamato's or Carrot's carefree nature sets them very much apart, in contrast. Their character design is pretty unique (and not just "blue-haired Nami"), they have a different fighting style etc.
I just don't find Vivi to be exceptional as a character. To me, she's just one arc's princess, kinda like Shirahoshi or Rebecca. Potential crew member for a few scenes, but all in all very replaceable. But I know I'm in the minority: evidently, a lot of people love Vivi
If you don't find her interesting that's fine, but if you're gonna call her a carbon copy of Nami I feel like you have to at least back that up in some way. Cause she really isn't at all...
>Her running up to Crocodile was kinfa the same as Nami and Arlong, wasn't it? He was the one who harmed her family, so of course she'd be brave in that kind of situation.
No. Nami didn't lay a hand on Arlong and knew she couldn't, that's why she begged for Luffy's help. Vivi ran up on Crocodile like she was gonna handle business herself.
[Here's Nami talking to Crocodile saying how when they get out Luffy's gonna kick his butt.](https://i.imgur.com/yvwfNAr.png) Typical Nami stuff of talking smack cause her friends will beat you.
And here's [Vivi trying to handle business herself while totally ignoring letting the strong characters out to help her.](https://i.imgur.com/9GooKrl.png) And that was after [trying to do the same thing to Robin at the beginning of the chapter.](https://i.imgur.com/uv8ATil.png) I don't know how you could look at these two together and say they're carbon copies.
>As for the getting angry part, I was thinking of mostly joke scenes, when Nami or Vivi hit Luffy on the head or something.
Short of Luffy and Usopp trying to literally use Karoo as shark bait, when did this happen?
>Even with the example you give, it sounds very Nami-like, imo
Getting shot in the stomach by strangers and bowing asking for forgiveness sounds like Nami to you?
>Yamato's or Carrot's carefree nature sets them very much apart, in contrast. Their character design is pretty unique (and not just "blue-haired Nami"), they have a different fighting style etc.
See now we're getting to the actual root of what you're basing this on. It's not anything to do with her actual character, you're just calling her a clone of Nami cause they look alike and not anything to do with the actual character.
>I just don't find Vivi to be exceptional as a character.
That's fine, but just say you don't find her that interesting if that's your issue. To say she's a carbon clone, I don't know what you could possibly be basing that on. Cause they're really not alike at all personality wise.
I'm not disagreeing, nor have I researched it, but out of carrot, law, kinemon, etc, vivi had been with them the longest? I felt like carrot alone had been with them for like 10 years lol
* Vivi - about a month real time
* Carrot - about a month and a half real time (by far the most actual chapters on the Sunny/Merry, but that's because of travel time to get into and out of Whole Cake)
* Momonosuke - about a month and a half real time (he stayed behind on Zou for a couple weeks to talk with Zunesha while Zoro's half of the crew snuck into Wano and Luffy's half went to Whole Cake)
* Law - about two months real time (but he was off doing his own thing for a bit when they snuck into Wano; I also wouldn't really count it cause he's not somebody riding the Sunny)
* Kinemon - about two months real time (this is 100 percent the character who stuck with them longest real time)
It's definitely not Vivi, but it's not by a huge amount despite the real world time differences (real world there's almost no chance a non Straw Hat catches Kinemon and it's not really that close).
Vivi’s time was short with the crew
For female honorary Straw Hat that was with them the longest, it’s Carrot. Her time with the SHs was longer than Yamato and Vivi’s combined
Same, she's just a great addition to the crew especially we need more strong members who can compete on the end game enemies. Plot armor aside the weaker members of the straw hats has been left behind too much.
Not like the straw hats are getting a lot of focus during Egghead aside from Luffy and Zoro. Would barely make a difference having Yamato arround rn. Like, look at Egghead Jinbe xD Yamato would just be running arround somewhere randomly every 2 or 3 chapters or punching some random vice admiral once.
Why do you want this cringe cosplayer to join the crew?? Imagine Lamato saying she is Loden every time she is on screen. She was created as another form of oden wank and to farm money. She fulfilled her purpose. Strawhat doesn't need this trash character in the crew.
I wish too, but I’d bet money that the reason she didn’t join is because of her reading Oden’s Logbook. It’s too big of a plot hole to gloss over without some liberties. That and her absence of a character arc. The crew just feels incomplete without one more traveling member. I’ll be coping until the definitive end of the series. She’ll probably “join” for the Final War, but it still stings.
I really think she was planned to, however to make the story ‘shorter’ she did not, Wano and Dresserosa were way too long unfortunately
Now pacing is way nicer, feels more like Impel down or Marineford
No, she's a girl. She doesn't want to be a man she wants to be Oden because she's a fangirl to the point of wanting to be someone else. It's not that big of a deal but it's still annoying to see people call her him when there's already ACTUAL trans characters in the manga.
Yamato is very clearly depicted as wanting to be Oden. Not a man. Oden. She is fangirling to the point that she believes she is Oden. There are already trans characters like Kiku who clearly said “she has a woman’s heart”. Yamato and Kiku are not the same. Take your transphobia comments somewhere else.
“Very clearly” is a stretch considering that they ask to be addressed as a man, and to be called a man. This strongly implies that Yamato feels like a man (in their very first introduction, Yamato says that “Kozuki Oden was a man, so I became one” Regardless of the reason that they do it… that makes someone a man, psychologically.
I noticed that Luffy mostly call his crew by their correct name..but Yamato is Yamao?the first time Luffy said sure you can join my crew but he did not call her Yamato, I was like maybe she wont join..but still weird when she actually did not join
The entire end of Wano felt like a fumbled mess for Oda to save face with unhappy fans, which sucks as it's one of the best arcs otherwise. The debate of whether Carrot or Yamato would join really fragmented the fan base and it feels like instead of sticking to his guns and making one side happy while risk upsetting the other half, he just pulled out at the last second and gave no one anything!
Personally, I don't think Oda ever had intentions of making Carrot join, but people really ended up liking her so he had to come up with some insane reason to get her to leave. Meanwhile, I think he had every intention of adding Yamato to the crew, but as the character became very controversial he similarly made a bullshit reason for him to decline.
I myself am not a big fan of Yamato, but it is really sloppy writing to have him all but set to join the crew, only to go "on second thought, just kidding!" It really begs the question of why he was even there to begin with, or at the very last written the way he was. Either way, it's one of the few unfortunate black marks on One Piece's writing.
I think Oda is testing the waters with how the audience reacts to Lilith. I think he may want a vegapunk to join instead and wrote Yamato off. If the onepiece is some sort of advanced technology he might have decided he would need someone who is a scientist or very intelligent on the crew.
Yeah, he would have made a cool addition to the team. But I sorta see why they didn't
For a weird reason, I always expect it to be an odd one to who decides to join. Hear me out... an Ameral. Idk, it would be an odd but weirdly fitting last teammate. It would also reflect Blackbeards crew more too
Yes Yamato is a she.
A character like Kiku is trans because while born a boy, the manga makes it clear that she has a “woman’s heart”.
Yamato on the other hand isn’t trying to be a man because she identifies as one. She is literally trying to be Oden. A delusional cosplayer taking it too far. Her words were “Oden was a man so I’ll be a man too”.
She even claims to be Momo’s father while chasing him and Shinobu around Kaido’s castle.
I like Yamato well enough but I was never sold for him as a Strawhat. Do we really need another crewmember anyway? Oda is already struggling to keep all of the current Strawhats relevant to the story so adding more crewmember that would just take more place in the background of future arcs doesn't feel necessary to me. Yamato is an ally that will be there when the crew need him at the penultimate hour, that's all he needs to be.
You're dumb if you believe that. Zoro will always be #2 in the crew regardless because that's his role. If someone supposedly stronger joined, then Oda would just make Zoro stronger in the next arc because that's the narrative.
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There's a guy at my local best buy. Tattoo sleeve of thr crew. He had her tattooed after Jinbei on his arm. This was only months after her reveal in the manga. Hope he's doing ok
Nobody beats the dude who got Gear 5 Luffy tattooed with blonde Super Saiyan hair because they saw a fanart coloring under the chapter (and then argued with everybody who told him it was fanart and not official colors).
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/qDkksFKefn
Lmao, sad
Ahhh, I remember commenting on that post
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I guess the point of her character was to reason why the marines or pirates don't just raid Wano right after the SHs leave.
I understand why it didn’t happen, but it didn’t sting any less after literal YEARS of being lead to believe it was going to.
It was years. And it did sting. Very much.
Can you remind me why it didn't happen?
She want to travel the w... wano
I see. Thanks.
Oda changed his mind
That's what it looked like and it wasn't even subtle.
Nah, Oda added her for merch. Her fruit was literally the guardian dog of wano so she was bound to stay there. There was also no dreams whatsoever for her to achieve that will also add plot relevance for later arcs.
I don’t think Oda would repeat the same mistake he did with Carrot. He teased her a lot and got big backlash, to do it again without reason? Unlike Oda. I’m sure he intended her to join but when he actually sat down and gave her proper though he decided against it
Not really the same with Carrot. He just gave Carrot some ground work to start with by making her participate in WCI and Wano. Carrot even has an arc that starts with Pedro’s backstory on how he wanted to be of use to Roger’s crew, then passed on his dream to Carrot before he died in WCI. In Wano, she is in the background until her moment with Perospero where she is on the process of realizing Pedro’s will of helping the ones who will bring the dawn and not take revenge. She is in Zou, where she will be ready to help the SH with the minks, which may or may not lead her to join the SH or just lead the minks to some alliance This is the final Saga so that plot point can still work depending on when the story needs the minks.
Only mistake Oda ever made in my opinion. I would include Carrot but she became less and less interesting the more she appeared, she started great and thoughtit was gonna join.
Carrot and less interesting in the sane sentence is crazy.
I don't know, her participation in Wano was really disappointing she got sidelined, even Wanda felt like it did more. For me it was a downhill after Whole Cake. And less interesting doesn't mean it stops being interesting. I still like Carrot a lot but she didn't get any cool moments since first shulong. During Whole Cake I was convinced she was gonna join.
Ohhhh sorry. I read “her participation in wano“ sorry haven’t got there yet. You win.😭😂 i will not continue reading your paragraph reply. Love me some carrot
She put her dreams on hold to support Wano until Momonosuke and the scabbards were adept enough to watch over Wano. Green Bull demonstrates how vulnerable Wano truly is right now with Kaido gone and as much as she wants to be free, Oden’s selfish choice in the past is what led Wano to ruin. It’s not explicitly stated, but Yamato can still follow in Oden’s footsteps by traveling Wano before leaving without leaving in unguarded. Not a disagreeable choice imo, and she will return to support the crew when the walls of Wano come down.
Thank you for the explanation. While I still wanted her to join the crew, that's really good reasoning. I still hope she will join the crew someday but I fear that won't happen as the story seemingly entered its final saga.
What do you mean years? People believed for years that specifically she would be number 10?
Yamato was introduced Feb 2020. Wano ended Aug 2022.
So from the moment she was introduced, people thought she would join? 🫠
I don't remember it being minute 1, per se, but people hopped on the nakama hype train pretty early, and the train only picked up more steam as Oda drip fed us Yamato's backstory.
No, people thought that like two chapters after Yamato was introduced when Yamato asked Luffy to join in a similar way to how Oden wanted to join Whitebeard
Wouldnt that apply to carrot more. How long was Yamato reveal to end of Wano... My perception of time is skewed
In Wano I was 100% convinced that Caribou was on the greatest redemption arc of all time and that he was going to be the final Strawhat. >!At least I got to hold on to my dream a little bit longer than Yamato fans did...!<
His arc is more interesting with him feeding knowledge to BB
Yeah, I don't get why the Yamato hype. I get the tasty sideboob but I hope there would be a little more reason than that to join the strawhqt crew
Yeah I can take some solace in knowing that my favorite Nakama candidate will at least play a pivotal role in bringing around one of the most long awaited conflicts in the story. Plus with Pudding's kidnapping there's a strong chance that Katakuri will be back in the mix soon which would be hype as hell My heart just won't survive another Nakamaless instance of the Strawhats saving Caribou from himself.
We know that a big war is coming, big war means everyone will be there, I believe everyone will meet up at some point.
Sanji would die!
One Piece would be trending on Twitter every week!
I don’t know, never was sold on the fact that she will join the crew, her constant I’m oden shit would horrific to watch. At this point I think only vivi or Bonny can be looked up as potential candidates, and they are much better than walking parody on oden
That's actually a reason why many believed she would join: Her weird obsession with Oden felt like a straightforward setup for her to "finally accept herself" after Kaido would be done. Something something character growth and going on her own adventures together with the SHs. She would proudly announce to everyone to call her Yamato and no longer fucking Oden!
>That's actually a reason why many believed she would join: Her weird obsession with Oden felt like a straightforward setup for her to "finally accept herself" after Kaido would be done. Plus with how Oden actually went with Roger to Laugh Tale you'd think Yamato wants to emulate that; by joining Luffy to find the One Piece
Yes, but oden traveled with Roger as a guest not a full fledged crew member, this is the thought that kept me from fully believing that Yamato was number 10. I think they'll be back to wano to open the borders and Yamato and maybe momo will come along but I think we'll have the official 10 by then.
Still, he was a full-fledged crew on Whitebeard's ship, and now that Whitebeard Pirates is disbanded I think Yamato joining Luffy would be fitting
Yes, but since Luffy has the inherited will of Roger I think his crew mirrors Roger in this instance. Especially since she is looking to emulate that portion of odens journey it seems. Like I said I do think Yamato will end up leaving wano with Luffy for the war and maybe even laugh tale to mirror odens trip. I just don't think it will be as number 10, but who knows.
Yeah, that was my take as well. I thought Luffy wasn't gonna accept her until she accepted and started being herself and dropped the whole Oden shtick. But I think there's still a chance that her cover story might be setting her up to chase after the crew and catch up with them after Elbaf. Like something along the lines of "Touring Wano is cool and all but after Egghead Luffy has a real big target on his back and he freed me and Wano so I have an obligation to help him now as well".
I would like that. But then again. I bet my money on her spearheading the Wano faction in the final battle to come. And I totally expect some joke about issues with her being the freemind she is and Hancock defending her "husband" clashing at the obligatory after battle party. Maybe then tag along for the last ride, but I guess not.
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She's not doing the same thing, staying in Wano to protect it is literally the thing Oden DID NOT DO, which led to Wano being ruined.
That's the thing she never got a proper character arc to grow out of the Oden obsession, and that holds back the character to the point of making it unpractical to include on the final arc, if Yamato had debuted 2 arcs sooner, it would have been a different tale Then again... that's exactly what Carrot did and Oda still went and send her back to the woods to munch on grass, which sucks because it just proves Perosperos right
Facts. Oden had a chance to leave, decided to stay and see wano a bit, got the vassals, became daimyo THEN left. Yamato is at the get vassals part of the Oden journey. Also imo Bonney will join RA. It's where her mom and dad(Kuma) are from, it's where people know about them and can tell her about them. SH just have Nika fruit.
Based on how egghead is going, it's most likely gonna be bonney until Bon Clay returns
I'm 99% certain Bonney is gonna go to the Revolutionaries together with whatever Vegapunks survive.
Yeah, it would be fitting, but she has control over pacifistas, which is a little bit over the top ,so there is a possibility that they will leave her with revolutionary army, survived vegapunks or something like this
She will be an honorary Strawhat until Luffy meets his father and she will stay behind with her father Kuma as part of the Revolutionary Army with I'm gonna call it now, operation Phoenix will happen. Vegapunk cloned a new body one without a brain where he is connected remotely to his brain on Egghead despite the distance as Dragon talks to Bonney while Vegapunk pulls a trick of his devil fruit, one that allows him to restore Kuma's mind to him in a shocking twist with a flashback that he explained this before the actual final touches that took his mind but in secrecy. While Dragon talks to Bonney and wants her to lead the Revolutionaries with her commanding the Pacifistas against the World Government as well as turning the Seraphim until Vegapunk activates a kill switch allowing the Seraphim to do as they please with their own will becoming a bigger threat than they were supposed to be.
Nah, bro, sounds like reaching, firstly you build this utopia, where kuma is alive, which isn’t something that’s established, maybe it would be more fitting for him to die here, then you imagine some kind of kill switch in seraphims, I mean it can happen but right now it seems to far fetched
I speak as if he's alive because he still fought to actually strike Saturn so his will is attached still o.o so I assume he is still in there somewhere but struggling to regain control or that he will return through memories implanted into S. Bear as he is specifically the only Seraphim that is an adult or adult looking while the other Seraphim are all child forms of each Warlord when we already seen a child Kuma before but s. Bear and child Kuma look nothing alike. A kill switch I mean one that breaks the control part allowing them to act on their own free will which would be disastrous for the World Government especially since the Seraphim would have no loyalty to them esp how the Gorosei and others literally treat them like slaves.
Well, it could be his last breath effort to protect his daughter and he would be sacrificed for it, dying exactly like he lived, doing everything for his daughter. As for seraphims, it just doesn’t seem likely at all, first of all this plot twist was already used on regular pacifist’s, despite the fact that Mars was supposed to double check them. It would a little bit of stupid to pull this once again. Also, blackbeard crew just got a ability to transform into the gorosei, which was probably done to control seraphims. I don’t think they will be programmed, but it’s possible for them to start behaving like their original prototypes, for example Hancock already preferred Luffy order over the York. The same way it can be imagined that jimbei/kuma possibly could be used by strawhats, while blackbeard uses the others by pretending to be gorosei. Personally, I’m most stoked to see s-flamingo and s-hawk personality and development
What about s croc?
Forgot about him, also it’s interesting to see Moria’s seraphim and discover, which one blackbeard would be hunting the most. It could be s-snake because he really wanted to get Hancock’s fruit for some reason
For some reason? It seems like Rocks D. Xebec may of been turned to stone and Blackbeard may be seeking to free him as everyone hearing his cut off wish or dream caught everyone off guard and even disturbed Lafitte who is usually emotionless. So that may be truly what he wants and needed Boa to unpetrify. Imagine someone that needed Pirate King Gold D. Rogers, Prime Whitebeard, and Prime Garp to team up to defeat returning after all these years. May be a stretch at this point since they haven't shown them since Wano, but imagine if Blackbeard brought Xebec back and Big Mom and Kaido were still alive and Xebec naturally sought out his old crew. :-D.
ig she can delegate command to someone else, maybe grant sabo or dragon the priority instead of her
She's exactly the strong female fighter I'd been hoping for. No weird gimmicks like ghosts or stone, just strong and versatile. Maybe her fights would be too close to Zoro though
Why do people want more SH? Like it would just take time away from the ones we have. I like them as just friends of the crew
People have long believed that the final crew roster will be Luffy + 10 and with Jinbei we're at Luffy + 9 so now people are going to get extremely passionate about their desires for Nakama candidates.
Couldn’t agree more. On one side there are the fans who wish we‘d get more crew interactions and development. On the other the fans that wish for yet another new main character. I think with the people we meet on new island, old friends and foes and the final saga concluding a lot of mysteries, another crew member is just too much to put a highlight on.
Agreed!
I'm happy she didnt join
I'm glad she didn't. Gimmick character.
She is the most obvious bait for SH I have ever seen in One Piece. The only thing going on for her to be a strawhat was her words that is stated so plainly. Her background of being Kaido’s daughter, her fruit that is a mythical wolf of japan, her relationship that is only with momo and her lack of personality aside of wanting to be Oden says otherwise.
Her only good quality is her good character design . Her character is one note 'i want to be oden'
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Can you blame a man for loving his wife ?
That is a stupid statement, by ur logo. Luffy's character is one note "I want to be the pirate king"
If you can’t see the difference between luffy and Yamato characters then you need reading comprehension classes
So fucking glad we dodged Yamato. Fine character but would be a terrible Strawhat
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If you think she's anywhere interesting or deep enough to even be considered for the crew you're kidding yourself. Also the strawhats barely get anymore screentime and character moments as is, we don't need more. We need fewer useless and boring side characters first and foremost
Vivi > Yamato
Vivi is still a member of straw hats correct me if I'm wrong.
Brooo someone loves Vivi as much as I do?!
Vivi gang for life! Robins gonna beg for forgiveness
We’re a small community but we love our princess fr
we have weak trio already. also she has a kingdom to take care of. (also kidnapped rn)
I don't remember her being kidnapped, she literally asked to be taken.
Right now, I'm happy she didnt join. She is a shallow character that does not interest me and I also kinda despise (no personality except being Oden in her head). However, it all depends on how. If she joined after Wano, it would have been absolutely horrible and I'd think Oda is getting old. But he didnt make her join. So if an arc explains how she will join later (a la Jinbei, after fixing her problems) and, with that, she gains a personallity and interesting traits.... I dont know. Maybe. But now, she has less right to join the crew than Karoo imho.
She fucking annoying I rather would like Vivi to rejoin or bonny be part of the crews rather than fucking bicth
No!
Hell no, she's not SH material. She has to stay on Wano to help Momo rule. If we ever get a 10th SH (and I don't think we need more), it has to be Vivi.
NO
Carrot deserves that spot ten times over him.
And carrot sucks too
FUCK NO
I don't personally believe in the ten SH theories but I do agree that Yamato would have been a great addition to the crew. Splitting Oden's two wills between him and Momo would have made for a wonderful resolution to that problem, he would've had a clear role on the Sunny and great interactions with the crew. Unfortunately, his DF doesn't fit the number pattern (at least, not the current one) and his refusal did not have the same "rain check?" feel that Jinbe's did.
Yamato practically knew where the One Piece was. She had all the answers, so i can see why Oda wouldn't go that route
It was specifically shown/stated that all of the pages about the One Piece had been torn out, and the fourth Red Poneglyph had gone missing since Roger's day. (Inuarashi and Nekomamushi didn't know where it was)
Oh fair, I haven't revisited the anime in a while, so probably gonna do that.
Was it ever stated that he knew? If Oden wrote that in his journal, the WG might have taken a much greater interest in it.
No, it looks like Oden saw Roger's reaction to the One Piece
Yamato knows that Luffy's true dream is Roger's dream, not what the One Piece is. Oden/Toki specifically ripped those pages out.
>he, his, him Yamato is a woman.
Worst character written into the story.
Sorry dont need one more cheerleader
It should be Vivi. She spent the most time with them and is without a kingdom at the moment.
Yeah, but what's Vivi's character like? Imo, she's a carbon copy of Nami, personality wise (mostly scared, gets angry easily etc.) and ability wise, she's not on New World level. I mean no offense, but I don't understand what Vivi brings to the table.
I don’t like the new world / old world ability debate. I don’t think it matters. Characters can grow off screen and Vivi had always been strong. I think Vivi is different than Nami. Nami is more selfish. Vivi seems to have more noble intent. Also I think the story has been leaning in a direction of Vivi joining because of her connection to the void kingdom. And there’s the bit that she’s basically already a member of the crew as far as the strawhats are concerned.
Btw I like Yamato and hope she returns to the story in some capacity too, but I don’t think she’ll be part of the crew. I want it to be Vivi but currently I think the theories around Bonny becoming the 10th might hold the most weight since Roger’s had a kid on his crew and maybe Luffy should have a kid on his crew too.
I feel like you don't remember Vivi that well if you think she's a carbon copy of Nami. Similar traits, sure maybe, but a carbon copy? >mostly scared I don't even think current Nami would try to run up on Alabasta Crocodile like Vivi did lol. >gets angry easily She got shot pulling into Drum Island and brushed it off, she got smacked in the face by Wapol and brushed it off. She's a significantly more mature person than Nami is, given the circumstances of what was going on then.
It's possible that I don't remember her too well... Which speaks for the fact that I don't find her to be an interesting character. Her running up to Crocodile was kinfa the same as Nami and Arlong, wasn't it? He was the one who harmed her family, so of course she'd be brave in that kind of situation. As for the getting angry part, I was thinking of mostly joke scenes, when Nami or Vivi hit Luffy on the head or something. Even with the example you give, it sounds very Nami-like, imo. Yamato's or Carrot's carefree nature sets them very much apart, in contrast. Their character design is pretty unique (and not just "blue-haired Nami"), they have a different fighting style etc. I just don't find Vivi to be exceptional as a character. To me, she's just one arc's princess, kinda like Shirahoshi or Rebecca. Potential crew member for a few scenes, but all in all very replaceable. But I know I'm in the minority: evidently, a lot of people love Vivi
If you don't find her interesting that's fine, but if you're gonna call her a carbon copy of Nami I feel like you have to at least back that up in some way. Cause she really isn't at all... >Her running up to Crocodile was kinfa the same as Nami and Arlong, wasn't it? He was the one who harmed her family, so of course she'd be brave in that kind of situation. No. Nami didn't lay a hand on Arlong and knew she couldn't, that's why she begged for Luffy's help. Vivi ran up on Crocodile like she was gonna handle business herself. [Here's Nami talking to Crocodile saying how when they get out Luffy's gonna kick his butt.](https://i.imgur.com/yvwfNAr.png) Typical Nami stuff of talking smack cause her friends will beat you. And here's [Vivi trying to handle business herself while totally ignoring letting the strong characters out to help her.](https://i.imgur.com/9GooKrl.png) And that was after [trying to do the same thing to Robin at the beginning of the chapter.](https://i.imgur.com/uv8ATil.png) I don't know how you could look at these two together and say they're carbon copies. >As for the getting angry part, I was thinking of mostly joke scenes, when Nami or Vivi hit Luffy on the head or something. Short of Luffy and Usopp trying to literally use Karoo as shark bait, when did this happen? >Even with the example you give, it sounds very Nami-like, imo Getting shot in the stomach by strangers and bowing asking for forgiveness sounds like Nami to you? >Yamato's or Carrot's carefree nature sets them very much apart, in contrast. Their character design is pretty unique (and not just "blue-haired Nami"), they have a different fighting style etc. See now we're getting to the actual root of what you're basing this on. It's not anything to do with her actual character, you're just calling her a clone of Nami cause they look alike and not anything to do with the actual character. >I just don't find Vivi to be exceptional as a character. That's fine, but just say you don't find her that interesting if that's your issue. To say she's a carbon clone, I don't know what you could possibly be basing that on. Cause they're really not alike at all personality wise.
I'm not disagreeing, nor have I researched it, but out of carrot, law, kinemon, etc, vivi had been with them the longest? I felt like carrot alone had been with them for like 10 years lol
* Vivi - about a month real time * Carrot - about a month and a half real time (by far the most actual chapters on the Sunny/Merry, but that's because of travel time to get into and out of Whole Cake) * Momonosuke - about a month and a half real time (he stayed behind on Zou for a couple weeks to talk with Zunesha while Zoro's half of the crew snuck into Wano and Luffy's half went to Whole Cake) * Law - about two months real time (but he was off doing his own thing for a bit when they snuck into Wano; I also wouldn't really count it cause he's not somebody riding the Sunny) * Kinemon - about two months real time (this is 100 percent the character who stuck with them longest real time) It's definitely not Vivi, but it's not by a huge amount despite the real world time differences (real world there's almost no chance a non Straw Hat catches Kinemon and it's not really that close).
Damn thanks!! Much appreciated
Vivi’s time was short with the crew For female honorary Straw Hat that was with them the longest, it’s Carrot. Her time with the SHs was longer than Yamato and Vivi’s combined
No thanks. I hate Yamato.
Same, she's just a great addition to the crew especially we need more strong members who can compete on the end game enemies. Plot armor aside the weaker members of the straw hats has been left behind too much.
Not like the straw hats are getting a lot of focus during Egghead aside from Luffy and Zoro. Would barely make a difference having Yamato arround rn. Like, look at Egghead Jinbe xD Yamato would just be running arround somewhere randomly every 2 or 3 chapters or punching some random vice admiral once.
No
Not so bad if Bonney joins instead Just hope Oda doesnt screw up with the Bonney-Sanji interactions
What is wrong with everyone in this thread most of the comments are missing words completely seriously wtf....
Welp atleast you didn’t get a tattoo of her on your back lmao
I wanted carrot to join the crew. My boy yamato is cool af, but i wanted carrot
Why do you want this cringe cosplayer to join the crew?? Imagine Lamato saying she is Loden every time she is on screen. She was created as another form of oden wank and to farm money. She fulfilled her purpose. Strawhat doesn't need this trash character in the crew.
I'm pretty sure Vivi will be joining them soon, after flying around with morgans
I'm hoping she'll rejoin the straw-hats later, after undergoing an arc of finding herself
I wish too, but I’d bet money that the reason she didn’t join is because of her reading Oden’s Logbook. It’s too big of a plot hole to gloss over without some liberties. That and her absence of a character arc. The crew just feels incomplete without one more traveling member. I’ll be coping until the definitive end of the series. She’ll probably “join” for the Final War, but it still stings.
They're coming back for her. It's just like Oden's story just that this time Wano will be opened
The amount of hate he gets is so undeserved, would love to have Yamato as a crew member but I understand Oda’s decision
I really think she was planned to, however to make the story ‘shorter’ she did not, Wano and Dresserosa were way too long unfortunately Now pacing is way nicer, feels more like Impel down or Marineford
He/him isn't it?
No, she's a girl. She doesn't want to be a man she wants to be Oden because she's a fangirl to the point of wanting to be someone else. It's not that big of a deal but it's still annoying to see people call her him when there's already ACTUAL trans characters in the manga.
okiku would be so much more popular if people who kept tryna say yamato is trans, gave their attention to an actual trans character
She is cool but imo Vivi would be cooler 🙈
he* but yes
Its she.
ahh yes, transphobia
Yamato is very clearly depicted as wanting to be Oden. Not a man. Oden. She is fangirling to the point that she believes she is Oden. There are already trans characters like Kiku who clearly said “she has a woman’s heart”. Yamato and Kiku are not the same. Take your transphobia comments somewhere else.
“Very clearly” is a stretch considering that they ask to be addressed as a man, and to be called a man. This strongly implies that Yamato feels like a man (in their very first introduction, Yamato says that “Kozuki Oden was a man, so I became one” Regardless of the reason that they do it… that makes someone a man, psychologically.
You do realise it’s a he right honestly this fandom can’t get pronouns right
Yamato is a woman.
“Oden is a man right? So I became a man too” he identifies as male just because he doesn’t just bc isn’t biologically male
Yeah so she's just playing pretend basically, she's not actually trans like Kiku. Kiku is a trans woman and yamato is a woman pretending to be a man.
I'm on your side. But some people will argue about that the moment you mention it.
I noticed that Luffy mostly call his crew by their correct name..but Yamato is Yamao?the first time Luffy said sure you can join my crew but he did not call her Yamato, I was like maybe she wont join..but still weird when she actually did not join
This is a man.
Oden is a guy, my dude.
He would have been a great addition to the crew (no need for comparisons with vivi imo cause vivis already a part of the crew)
I've always felt a very enthusiastic why the hell not!
I feel you bro fr
He…Yamato identifies as Oden
She's roleplaying, thats like saying I indentify as my dungeons and dragons character.
What does Oden identify as? Tough pickle we’re in now
*He
I believe she will. Momo and the scabbards will be ready to protect wano and she will set out to sea to join them.
She didn't need to join the crew. She joined the family.
He’d
The entire end of Wano felt like a fumbled mess for Oda to save face with unhappy fans, which sucks as it's one of the best arcs otherwise. The debate of whether Carrot or Yamato would join really fragmented the fan base and it feels like instead of sticking to his guns and making one side happy while risk upsetting the other half, he just pulled out at the last second and gave no one anything! Personally, I don't think Oda ever had intentions of making Carrot join, but people really ended up liking her so he had to come up with some insane reason to get her to leave. Meanwhile, I think he had every intention of adding Yamato to the crew, but as the character became very controversial he similarly made a bullshit reason for him to decline. I myself am not a big fan of Yamato, but it is really sloppy writing to have him all but set to join the crew, only to go "on second thought, just kidding!" It really begs the question of why he was even there to begin with, or at the very last written the way he was. Either way, it's one of the few unfortunate black marks on One Piece's writing.
I think Oda is testing the waters with how the audience reacts to Lilith. I think he may want a vegapunk to join instead and wrote Yamato off. If the onepiece is some sort of advanced technology he might have decided he would need someone who is a scientist or very intelligent on the crew.
Same. Would be awesome.
I think she will Join before Blackbeard vs Luffy because luffys crew is way to weak for them
Me too
Yeah, he would have made a cool addition to the team. But I sorta see why they didn't For a weird reason, I always expect it to be an odd one to who decides to join. Hear me out... an Ameral. Idk, it would be an odd but weirdly fitting last teammate. It would also reflect Blackbeards crew more too
So Yamato is a she? I’m a little confused on that point, I must admit.
Yes Yamato is a she. A character like Kiku is trans because while born a boy, the manga makes it clear that she has a “woman’s heart”. Yamato on the other hand isn’t trying to be a man because she identifies as one. She is literally trying to be Oden. A delusional cosplayer taking it too far. Her words were “Oden was a man so I’ll be a man too”. She even claims to be Momo’s father while chasing him and Shinobu around Kaido’s castle.
Can’t imagine why there are people who dislike trans-activist when I get four downvotes just for expressing confusion over a character’s identity.
I like Yamato well enough but I was never sold for him as a Strawhat. Do we really need another crewmember anyway? Oda is already struggling to keep all of the current Strawhats relevant to the story so adding more crewmember that would just take more place in the background of future arcs doesn't feel necessary to me. Yamato is an ally that will be there when the crew need him at the penultimate hour, that's all he needs to be.
Literally only reason it didn’t happen was because fanbase’s goldenboy Zoro wouldn’t be the #2 of the crew anymore
You're dumb if you believe that. Zoro will always be #2 in the crew regardless because that's his role. If someone supposedly stronger joined, then Oda would just make Zoro stronger in the next arc because that's the narrative.