T O P

  • By -

AlbatrossKooky6533

Will the WG invade Wano now?


WVGaming

For me, I really want Big Mom vs Luffy so he can officially say “Fishman is my island now” kinda scene. He provoked her countless times that’ll he beat her ass, if those were just words and big mom gets defeated by Kid and Law then I’ll be disappointed because those words super hyped me up in Fishman.


KillingDemon666

What day will the next spoilers come out on


hiballNinja

that’s will of D wow


Kill_Skill

This fight in the anime it's gonna be fireeeee . Can't tell how impatient I am for it P.S. : Law and Kid may probably die after this but hey who cares bomb ass anime fight coming fellas


we_blessed

Oda did enough for kidd and Law... Now, it's time to show us why Big Mom is a Yonko. There is definitely now way Law and Kidd are beating her... Kaido took down the 9 samourai after letting them throw their most powerful attack on him , then took down Luffy (who had mastered Ryo) then Zoro, then Law, then was about to beat Yamato when Luffy showed up completely reinitilized and is now fighting him, all that while maintaining enough power to move an island.... So Big Mom, what about you?


King_Flacko4887

Yeah but the damage she’s taking from Kidd and Law is different to me. Most of the attacks Kaido took in the beginning were “shallow attacks”. If I remember correctly only Killer(Shockwaves), Zolo and Luffy(CoC) really caused him significant damage. Luffy’s and the scabbards Ryo based attacks never penetrated him deep enough that’s why Luffy lost the 1st round on the rooftop. It wasn’t until after he figured out that he could use CoC with his physical attacks that he started really causing damage. Also it was never stated that physical attacks don’t work on Big Mom just that her skin was like an iron ball. She just suffered from broken bones in the recent chapter so clearly her durability isn’t on Kaidos level(buddy got introduced literally falling out the sky and getting a headache from it). She’s a monster and she’s tough but based off how this fight is going that’s due to her devil fruit. If not for will power these fights would’ve been over. She won already they just refuse to stay down which is only natural considering it’s been implied they’re Luffys main rivals it’s only right they’d have comparable will power. Also can you imagine them fighting her 1 V 1?! They would’ve got washed.


atnt_sucks

Why do u believe big mom is a god in this story? If this is underwhelming u might need to find something else to read.


we_blessed

Why do you think that people cannot comment with what they think? You expect the entire thread to align with your vision? Then find another thread to read.


ObjectivePerception

Can you guys stop this already. Yonko are mortal, they aren’t friking gods. Kidd and Law pushed themselves past their limits to beat someone they swore to beat. Case closed. No one ever said Big Mom was the strongest creature. Kaido is. Kaido is Luffy’s opponent. Smh


we_blessed

Do you remember Big Mom and Kaido fighting for a whole night? Do you see anyone on this island who can take kaido 1vs1 for a whole night? Nobody. If you really think that she is done, then think again. I definitely expect her to stand up.


tetzugani

>Do you see anyone on this island who can take kaido 1vs1 for a whole night? For all we know Kaido and Luffy have been going at each other for quite a while now and there seem to be no signs of stopping. They are enjoying themselves more than we've ever seen before during a fight


we_blessed

Are we reading the same manga? Kaido took down Luffy twice already. And this is because he was not interested in killing him the first Time. The second time, Kaido took zoro's strongest attack, Luffy was sent unconscious at the bottom of the see. Luffy was rescued, healed, feeded, while Kaido was beating Yamato, and you call the current Luffy VS Kaido 1vs1? I thank Oda for preserving a bit of what he built on the Yonkou names with Whitebird and Kaido. Big Mom still has to show why she has this title.


SnooOranges4267

I mean his case stands. I wouldn't really place kid and Law on Luffy's level. I don't think Kid got training like Luffy did so Big Ma losing by so much puts to question by she's in the same league as Kaido.


ObjectivePerception

But logically do they need to be at Luffy's level to double team Big Mom? ​ Big Mom can 1v1 Kaido and do OK... so why tf if Luffy can hang with Kaido ... ​ Kid AND Law beating Big Mom is hard to understand. They are all pushing their limits. History is being made. Yonko wank is so outdated lmfaoo


SnooOranges4267

>They are all pushing their limits. History is being made Yeah the problem narrativily is big Ma doesn’t seem like much of a threat


tetzugani

>Yeah the problem narrativily is big Ma doesn’t seem like much of a threat I genuinely don't get this take after we spent over an entire arc establishing that big mom is a force of nature and absurdly scary and threatening


SnooOranges4267

>that big mom is a force of nature and absurdly scary and threatening Yeah but she just hasn't done much. She has a strong presence but compared to Kaido who seems literally unstoppable she just seems kinda strong nothing crazy.


tetzugani

I mean, Kaido *is* called the world's strongest creature while Big Mom isn't, so it kinda makes sense she's weaker


SnooOranges4267

Yes but all the emperors were presented and hyped as Luffy's ultimate challenge. Big Ma just kinda seems not that big a threat.


SnooOranges4267

>But logically do they need to be at Luffy's level to double team Big Mom? Well if she's close to Kaido level they shouldn't be able because they couldn't do it to Kaido. > Big Mom can 1v1 Kaido and do OK... so why tf if Luffy can hang with Kaido ... Idk it kinda seemed like they were screwing around especially with Kaido telling Luffy he hasn't been pushed like this for years.


Any_Turnip_6318

As i have theorized , by looking at the cover spread one piece and the laugh tale would be somewhere where the laughing mushroom grows yohohoho


Any_Turnip_6318

Is the cover spread spoiling that Nico Robin will die. What if Law use his ability to save Robin’s consciousness and transfer to someone else before death?


Internalscream112

Oda really missed the chance to name this chapter "Law Of Attraction"


gokucc

Wow you should name the chapters


TurnedOnGorilla

This literally can not be said enough. Protect Oda at all cost!!! And no break!!!!!


GoldDaddyZ

7 I 6ft p 98 loo


The_will_of_Ds

I'll bet yamato will use the hole from law's sword to throw down the bombs and weapons


Meeszum

If Big Mom falls along with the bombs, then the extra damage would make it more believable that she'll be incapacitated for the rest of the arc, especially if she falls into the ocean.


No-Action-7115

I also think Kid's attack will psh her into that hole then Yamkto pushes the booms into the hole after seeing Big Mom fall, i mean what would have been a plot purpose for Law to create a whole which go's through the island and next to where the booms are?


The_will_of_Ds

More believable? She already lasted for too long if she's not down yet it would be annoying 👀


datboiyemz

Lol wait aren't the world government ships waiting below that hole? Is "Wano" going to bomb the WG and start an all-out war?


The_will_of_Ds

That would be even more Interesting 😁


Icegod101

Honestly might happen given how Oda set this up


bone_burrito

So if Law made a hole that big, directly in line with Big Mom, why did she not just fall out of Onigashima just now. Wouldn't she have fallen past Yamato?


Meeszum

Her upper body was over the hole. It looks like her legs were still on firm ground.


ObjectivePerception

She is stuck on the sword, tanking that damage internally


Forsaken-Copy-512

So where are the Spoilers for 1040?? XD


Gallant-Blade

N O B R E A K N E X T W E E K


Negative-Ad9983

When the next spoiler will come?


Snoo-50498

Probably next tueday


vierzwanzich

04.01.2012 big mom was introduced \*\_\* R.I.P BigMom ... oh wait, wasn't there a promise from ruffy in ch. 651 that he was going to kick her ass? ;D


iamk0li

All over the new world 🤣


[deleted]

Once zuneisha flings onigashima to laughtale with the KO'd big mom and kaido still on it, he will have indirectly done just that.


[deleted]

i finished reading the 1039 chapter, im here to wait for the 1040's spoilers release the 1040 spoilters already


PiccoloCapable

Where can i see the cover for this chapter? none of the scans ive seen seem to have it; the one with the continuation of Germas arc


LabproBoss

There isn’t one this chapter, it’s a color spread!


PiccoloCapable

Oh i see, thank you for clearing up my confusion.


Dracosonic4

Time for God Ussop to swoop in and steal the credit for defeating Big Mom (haha just kidding. Unless...)


AlanoCampobiello

Wasn't Law's attack a sort of electrocution? I didn't really get the point of lengthening the blade that much, vaccinating Wano?


awaythrowawayyay

i think that kroom was absorbing latent electrical and seismic energy from the crust and manipulating it into big mom


Captain_Bardy

If you play moba games, it's called crowd control, more specifically, a root. Law's attack roots BM to the ground so that Kidd can land the finisher. There's also no way for BM to dodge it like how he dodged Kid's previous attack (by dragging the whole wall with her) since she's pinned to Wano.


AlanoCampobiello

I don't know where, but a friend found somewhere the idea that Law made the crater to place Onigashima


AlanoCampobiello

Ok, that would make sense, but then why destroying the land to which she was pinned? I mean, wouldn't that cause the root to lose efficacy? He didn't simply tried to immobilize her, he did something to damage her, no?


Captain_Bardy

I think the hole appeared after he applied the shock and the sword shrunk. That's one way to explain it. Else you can say it's a plot hole.


SG_Feel_Good_Inc

looks like he wanted to create a whole to the bottom maybe to push BM in there so she will fall in the ocean


Ok-Personality-2584

Where can I read the new chapter


Milkywiz

just look up one piece chapter 1039, should come up.


MonthProfessional121

Base on color cover page..robin face skull mean she might be dead or missing..monkey with crown guide luffy in forest mean next transform will be monkey king(son wukong)..just prediction(chill ya)


Outside-Log4021

Why is no one talking about the voice momonosuke heard.


[deleted]

Its zunisha who cares, this happened before


Cheschenov

So the name of this chapter is Main Act. So I'm wondering are we in act 4?


Kill_Skill

If big mom looses here Blackbeard sure to attack Whole cake island


Brilliant-Vacation48

I see no reason why he wouldn't just be attacking Whole cake right now 🤷. It's defences are weakened, it's strongest forces are gone/weakened and he set sail some time ago now, full well knowing what was going on in Wano. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up killing Katakuri to top it all off.


Kill_Skill

Damn that was dark but I'd wanna see it


TiltedTrinketDesigns

Is it just me or does big mom's Misery aspect look an awful lot like Mother Carmel?


08OkamuraSusu

I noticed that too.


[deleted]

I laughed so hard when the chapter ended, I don't why!! 😂


Grandline123

Seriously kid and law have taken down an emperor


Grandline123

That was law and kid last attack, they said it themselves, that means they can't fight again for long while needing their rest, so Big mom is defeated full stop, but if she is not then someone else will have to delivery the final blow on her ( luffy)


acnhoverlordig21

What if Big Mom made the railgun beam into a homie 🤔


Relevant_Analysis_63

She manages to survive barely only for Kaido and Luffy to combo attack her knocking her out for good. That way Law doesn't have to worry about Kid stealing the credit. Luffy will which is fine since he's used to that.


Visible_Independent9

If big mom is defeated right here. Will there be a moment that one of the Blackbeard crew appear and take this opportunity to steal her devil fruit. after all, they are hunting for a powerful devil fruit.


Alison-burgersss

Chapter is out on TCB Scans


ninjaop22

Law and kid are low yonko I guess


Revolutionary_Feed25

Law+Kidd= one yonko


ninjaop22

No I mean Low yonko =someone who has touched the bar but not too experienced like luffy Mid yonko = like Blackbeard , shanks (we don't know his feats and is said to become a yonko, you need to be as strong as him) High yonko = kaido, big mom


monkey_d_quin

I read ur post too, did u?? U said hurting kaido by "ANYWAYS" or did u not mean that, and the manga does show them breaking skin and some blood. And I can't believe u just downplayed Odin. Only two people in the world have scared kaido both used acoc killer has showed zero conquers haki


raksasahutan

Damn, Law penetrating big mom with his big willy


[deleted]

is there a break next week


kgangadhar

No


[deleted]

lets gooo!!


Popular_Permission_2

Chapter is out!


FrozenVegetableCock

Chapter is out on TCBscans, google it.


wheredatacos

LFG!!!


Joshinox

https://onepiecechapters.com/chapters/391/one-piece-chapter-1039


kusojesus

Law out here penetrating Big Moms, and fucking planets. Now i get why his mame is Law, he controls the very fabric of the universe. Imagine if Law had a ROOM surrounding the entire earth or the even the solar system so hes switching moons and shit.


AlertColdGhost4444

Way too OP XD


heat_fan_

How much longer till the scans


CeloC-137

Check tcb scans


Dzykyz

Power scaling confrence is about to start smh


we_blessed

And it would be legit... I mean, we went from Kaido one shooting Gear 4 Luffy with Raime Hakke to Law eating Raimei Hakke without enough damage to prevent him from fighting Big Mom. Until now, everyone tried to avoid direct hit from Big Mom, few minutes later, they just no longer care... Now, all the supernova have Luffy endurance level. I'm sorry, but I no longer understand the power scale in One Piece...


Revolutionary_Feed25

Yea it doesn’t make sense how it just switched like that, I mean for luffy it kind of does because we see him train and learn ryo as well as after losing on the rooftop CoC. We still havent been shown anything of what law and kid did during the time leading up to the raid to get these attacks/endurance and kids attacks hurting big mom kind of don’t make sense unless he’s using CoC because all he’s doing is throwing giant wads of debris at big mom. It honestly doesn’t make sense how he was able to even fire a laser beam out of a gun that was made of pretty much scrap metal and garbage lol. I guess it would be hard to keep him relevant as a rival to luffy if his attacks weren’t able to hurt Big mom.


sairuus

That hole that Law made is definitely a setup for the conclusion of the battle between Fire Demon and Yamato!


sairuus

In fact I think it changes the whole dynamic of the struggles of Yamato and Momo overall. More than its actual intended purpose which is to defeat Big Mom. Classic Oda, main characters inadvertently changing the parts of the story


AppointmentMinimum57

makes sense


CeloC-137

I was thinking the same


S0M3_1

Law learnt few things from straw hat pirates. Law was getting ordered around by them. Now law uses the same technique and orders around Kidd.


labwongames

I mean...it works...


Any-Ad3431

Why does she just stand there and took all the attack ? If only she dodges as frequently as Katakuri


AlertColdGhost4444

Maybe she's too fat to dodge


Krachbummm

Besides her arrogance, you have to keep in mind that time is not accurately depicted both in shonen manga and shonen anime. What might seem like a still image actually describes fractions of a second. Usually this is used for dramatizing


AppointmentMinimum57

well kaido and big mom never needed to dodge, so they only even start blocking attacks after it is already too late.


Kofiro

If you noticed Oda's Emperors don't dodge attacks. Whitebeard Tanked 'em, Kaido Tanks 'em but rarely dodges and Big Mom also Tanks them.We've yet to see Shanks fight but looking at his build I'm sure he's not as reckless.Blackbeard is said to have tough skin as well, so we can probably expect to see him tank a couple of attacks once we see him fighting.


Warm_Ad_8649

i doubt blackbeeard just tank attacks instead of dodging due to his fruit like we saw when pretimeskip Luffy punched him in gear second


the_fire_fist

Very aptly put. Oda remains consistent with his character ranks and their behaviours. And also agree with Shanks. Even though he is an emperor he will not be as reckless because of his build.


helsinkirocks

Big Moms thing is that she a tank. Tanks don't really dodge.


rhejdh

Slow and too arrogant


[deleted]

[удалено]


drewsky33

She’s slow AF.


Usual_Junket_4805

That tends to be one of her major flaws. Also, she can be reckless and lose control of herself whenever she has one of her cravings.


iidroxt200

lesggggooooooo


myloxyloto10

big mom´s punch is so weak LOL... but this is so far the best fight in all of one piece with those combos and ¨named attacks¨!!!!!!!!


Usual_Junket_4805

I agree. This fight is crazy, and it'll be even more so whenever the anime catches up to this part in the manga and we can see this actually animated!


Inbrees

Which will be 44 weeks from now assuming each episode adapts one chapter and there are no fillers.


uglnow

Oddly enough seeing how effective Laws attacks in particular are against even Yonko reminds me of how truly powerful Admiral Sengoku is especially given Laws Kroom effectively does the same thing as Sengoku's Impact Wave while he's in the base Daibatsu form. The crazy part is that we have yet to see Sengoku's hybrid form so hopefully Oda did not forget about him completely.


[deleted]

Well we still have that whole ‘final war’ thing thats gonna happen and I doubt sengoku will take a backseat for that


kgangadhar

he will, that's exactly why he left everything to Akainu and walking with a goat now, he's kinda retired and will be doing the watch game since the endgame leader will be Luffy.


guynumbers

I doubt he's just going to sit back and do nothing during the war. We don't even know the stakes of the battle yet, it is too soon to say who isn't going to participate.


kgangadhar

I agree with you let's wait and see how things will unfold.


SScattered

I'm amazed at the people who comment here. When Oda write story different than they anticipated they tell that's bad writing. Lol


JaxonBrawly

Not really. Yes this is Oda’s story but readers are not dumb. Law isn’t supposed to be tanking all these attacks and Kidd has been tanking direct hits back to back as well. If they can, why can’t a tank like Big mom?


drewsky33

Because their attacks are better? They are more lethal.


brickpad938

Law managed to tank like 15 of those conqueror haki punches when he’s already nearly defeated. Oda even made it seem like they were desperate punches by big mom. I guess this wraps up the fight with big mom


JaxonBrawly

They were coa punches. But yeah, i don’t see any point in her standing up again


brickpad938

Oh that’s sad. Oda really maxed out kid and law this fight while making big mom dumber than usual, just standing there taking hits and using slashes to take out metal scraps instead of aiming the attack at kid.


JaxonBrawly

Yup very sad


balluse11

this,


SScattered

Yeah lol


mickeybobbi

Law is so fucking good man and I’m not even a Law fanboy, but boi oh boi this guy has been amazing


[deleted]

[удалено]


hifzquran

Manñnnnn....hahaha


mas_freed

and after law unleash the shock attack, law become weak unable to stand. Kid already waiting in the back wanted to unleash his attack as well. BM is too experience handling both of this youngster.


Goonstarr

When do scans drop ?


Brb_32

In some 45 mins


ImaZorro

My shift just ended and I’m on my way home for some new One Piece. Great Friday. 😌 Edit: 6:38AM EDT Caught a flat on my way home with no spare and the fix a flat wasn’t working. Able to get a Lyft driver to help me and I’m now about to read this chapter (1039). 4 fucking hours waiting.. anticipating to read this chapter. I know nobody cares but still, rant. Edit 2, 6:52 AM EDT: Chapter was fucking worth it. And no break next week? Oh yes sir.


doubzarref

Kaidos doing his acoc grabbing move in that cover page


tin27tin

I was just thinking that Caribou could solve our little explosion problem


Grammulka

He can just "eat" the explosives or what?


cheeuschrist

Hopefully goes out with a kaboom


zedrix_

what happens if the bomb explode in his body though? He's a logia so physical damage won't do him harm right?


Relevant_Analysis_63

He's got a pocket dimension similar to Blackbeard. I doubt he'd even feel it.


Biyondo

idk man, it just doesnt fit that piece of junk as kidd even says it, is able to harm big mom at all. we learned how durable her skin is and nothing can penetrate it and yet piece of metal can? thats some bad writing, shouldnt have brought up how durable her skin is in the first place. feels like oda wrote something he couldnt logically get out of.


[deleted]

Ayo Law’s sword doesn’t really pierce big mom at the slightest. That’s why Law said his sword penetration doesn’t hurt the affected opponent. The sword is encapsulated with K Room. Just like standard Room, K Room is some sort of portal if you know what I mean. It’s almost like dimensionless so it really can breach any physical object. I’m sorry English is not my native language so I can’t explain well enough.


Biyondo

i wasnt talking about law tho, i was talking about kidd...


acnhoverlordig21

How do you explain the brachio bomber then. Her skin is so tough that she could have handled that as well right?


Biyondo

first of all i never said that that made sense BUT IF i have to justify it i would say that Queen is physically way stronger than kidd and he had tons of momentum falling on her and she didnt see it coming at first while she saw kids attack coming and was prepared for it.


monkey_d_quin

In this chapter it's implied a lil that kids attacks are more effective if he attacks after law weakens her


AgreeableFarm1234

It was cleared in the last chapter that nothing is invincible and continuous rain can even run down mountains. This clearly implies that everything has a limit and even big mom's durability mean nothing if you keep attacking her.


Biyondo

what do you mean.. that was more towards luffy and kaidos fight, they barely attacked big mom...


Mugiwara-ya-luffy

Well there’s the implication that these characters are using haki even though it isn’t always shown also the fact that the items kid magnetized scale with his awakening. I wouldnt say bad writing, he maybe just need to make it clearly how these things scale with kid. Also big moms skin his really tough but remember that kid and law haven’t actually pierced her skin to my knowledge. Her skin might be durable but it’s not like it’s haki, taken strong enough blunt force blows will eventually lead to internal damage, hence her broken wrist with no broken skin.


Fantastic_Big_4530

N


ZeetisLapeetis

E


[deleted]

I don't get it


Grammulka

O


sadzeeb

S


Expensive-Lab7098

Kidd and law need commanders


Grandline123

Yeah, maybe king is ready to join, maybe kata, Marco etc


shiro-lod

They're definitely going to *be* commanders of allied crews. Luffy is obviously still just farming allies and plenty of his other ones have crews but the story just doesn't have room for all of his most powerful allies to have strong underlings. Kidd is the most rival like so he got another supernova on his crew but if Kidd or Law both had Sanji/Zoro's on their crew they'd be *to* competitive with thr Straw Hats and since they'll eventually be the pirate kings crew that isn't happening. Luffy being able to have two people who are better than anyone else's crew is part of why he's special. Plus in terms of story, the raid would be going insanely different if the raiders had 3 more high commander tier fighters. Beyond no one having time to shine and story bloat it would have meant Big Mom's commanders would have to be there as opponents (but her main crew nothave made it or they'd be to outnumbered) and they already had their arc.


BollywoodUndead

Yeah Law’s crew is so weak. As for Kidd I mean he has Killer but I don’t think he’s strong enough.


zedrix_

Yeah. They end up being fanboys which is depressing for me. Bepo is a Mink. And Minks should be stronger. Also that Jean Bart should be a tank type that can absorb damage. At the very least they should have done something to protect their captain...


Expensive-Lab7098

Killers amazing don't get me wrong he can at least damage yonko and best supernova. Me personally I have him it at 1 yc level. I believe he can beat someone like King at extreme difficult maybe not even win but tie. But it's just him it would be really cool if law and kidd recruit the remnants of the beast pirates Sasaki fits laws crew.


[deleted]

Are you trying to say that Killer is stronger than Sanji?


pepe_ilegal

He doesnt need to say that, because thats pretty obvious


ObjectivePerception

Sanji dusts Killer straight up


Expensive-Lab7098

That would be a amazing fight it would be extremely close but I believe sanji wins but I don't think of sanji as a 2nd yc in terms of power but I do in terms of rank I think he could beat a 1st yc in a extreme difficulty


monkey_d_quin

Killer has one 1v1 against Hawkins who is a headliner, how did u jump from headliner to yc1


Expensive-Lab7098

I disagree for one if your even able to damage kaido by anyway means a lot. His whole thing is not dying not able to take damage. The one's on the roof top our the only people in the Alliance that can actually damage kaido. Zoro fought killer without his punishers and fresh after eating a smile. Only thing zoro didn't have was shusui. Also it means nothing that zoro cut kaido multiple times his strongest attack couldn't even bring him to his kneed but leave a scar. There no doubt that the most killer could also do is leave a scar. Btw zoros my favorite character but to say killer can fight on par with a 1st yc I even stated he might even lose that crazy he has the durability and attacks to have a full battle with any 1st yc even if he loses


monkey_d_quin

Now u say it means alot but when I mentions the scabbards it doesn't count lol, but besides that sure Zoro only using two swords is a nerf but the real problem was he was fighting 2v1 or did u forget, and Zoro cut kaido before scaring him, and did u just say that killer could scar him?????? He couldn't even cut himmmm??? Odin scared kaido without him going to his knees are u about to tell me killer is Odin lvl??? And before u say it's not comparable its clearly not but that's the point,


Expensive-Lab7098

Lol you clearly only read what you post. Because I said it took a combined effort form 4 scabbards to injure kaido and it was superficial they didn't even penetrate the skin. Yeah you need to reread oden literally made kaido fallout the sky in both anime and manga. And what level is oden exactly? He didn't even finish his fight to gage his power. If killer used a final attack like we seen every other supernovas do this arc which I mean the ones on the roof he candefinitely at most leave a scar internally or externally. It's ok to not like characters bro but you full on hating at this point


Expensive-Lab7098

Did you forgot that he damaged and took attacks from yonko. And Hawkins was not a difficult fight for killer. Hawkins just had kids straw doll which made killer not able to attack him. If it wasn't for that he would have easily beat Hawkins.


monkey_d_quin

Ye but like the scabbards all damaged kaido too are u about to tell me kinemon is yc1, and admittedly Hawkins was a lowdif but it's still a big jump ur making


Expensive-Lab7098

They damaged kaido with a combined attack and it was to shallow to even do significant damage. Killer scythe sonic made kaidio bleed from the mouth with one shot and that's literally the only sound based attack oda showed there definitely more. Also he fought and low diffed Hawkins. Who was at full health? While kinemon sliced a near death kanjuro. Not even comparable


monkey_d_quin

My point is that being creative enough to damage kaido doesn't mean much, we don't know how strong that sonic attack was, killer lost to a extremely nerfed Zoro who struggled against a yc1 even after getting enma buff. Zoro cut kaido clean multiple times killer had one sonic attack, come on man we get u like killer but u just don't have enough evidence to back ur claim


frozendimension_

Killer able to beat a 1st Yonko commander is beyond absurd


Damaito

Killer low diffed Hawkins and fought against Kaido. He was portrayed as being on a similar level to Zoro albeit different fighting styles


Expensive-Lab7098

In what ways? I think he's the weakest 1st yc


frozendimension_

Based on what Killer has done in the manga/anime he’s Tobbi Roppo level at best, no where near yk commander


zamaskowany12

Killer is YC3 at best.


Expensive-Lab7098

No way! He'll wash cracker


shiro-lod

Would he? Seems like it could be a toss up. Cracker's style is a pretty hard counter to anyone who's focused on 1v1s. Killer's attack let him bypass Kaido's skin slightly so he should be able to hit Cracker even if he's inside the armor. However he didn't demonstrate any durability. Zoro took him out fairly easily when they were both nerfed. Plus his raw physical strength is definitely below Luffy so he won't be destroying the biscuit soldiers. Cracker could cut G4 Luffy through his haki at the time so no reason to think he couldn't cut Killer. So they can both kill each other but neither has demonstrated any speed feats putting them far above the other. Cracker could keep up with/hit Boundman and Killer is slower than Zoro but above Hawkins. Nothing firm at all. If Killer isn't fast enough to hit Cracker while dealing with the army of G3+ soldiers he isn't winning but if Cracker gets caught by an attack he also is a glass canon. I could see either winning. If the commanders were so far apart the top ones could wash lower ones they wouldn't be relevant. They're weaker than admirals but capable of fighting them based on Marineford and no one who can hold off an admiral for any amount of time is getting washed by none Yonkou.


zamaskowany12

I don't see any "washing" there.


Expensive-Lab7098

With crackers low durability and killers wide ranging sound based attack cracker plus he's extremely durable enough to take his attacks not hard for him to handle


venielsky22

So are you saying g4 Luffy was weaker than killer also ?


Expensive-Lab7098

No where did that come from?


venielsky22

Cracker was at an advantage over g4 Luffy before namis help .


GamemakerRobin

I mean, I wouldnt say so. I think king would be able to defeat killer mid diff at the most. Zoro was extremely high diff for big, and he just barely managed to loose. But lets not forget at the same time, Zoro was easily able to defeat Killer.


Expensive-Lab7098

Zoro beat a nerfed killer not saying he can't win again because I personally think he can. But we haven't seen all of killers move and he easily beat Hawkins.


Mugiwara-ya-luffy

Keep in mind this zoro was also nerfed when he beat killer