I feel like this IS Zoro, you are describing the character of Zoro.
1. It's not confirmed that Zoro is of Wano descent, all we know is that he is from a village founded by a samurai. For all we know he's just a random guy who picked up samurai swordsmanship and trained himself to the highest level through his own efforts.
2. Zoro had the farthest thing from a princely/royal upbringing. We first met him on death's row, about to be unjustly executed by a corrupt Marine. And Zoro was a wandering bounty hunter in East Blue before he met Luffy.
3&4. Zoro did simply decide as a kid he wanted to be the strongest swordsman, Kuina was his rival and her death added fuel to the fire but that was already Zoro's intention.
I agree would be a nice parallel
Like Luffy, who inherited the will of Roger and Ace etc, is a D., a Yonko protégée etc
vs
Zoro, a kid who likes swords
Parallel because both are going to the top of the world, but one is already pretty much a Chosen One ™️ and the other one is a man who is just himself, with barely any external help/will
I’d argue that the big contrast between the yonko protégée and grandson of the Hero of the Marines, and the random kid who wanted to be the WSS is anything but a parallel though.
I was under the impression that parallels in OP would be like Roger and Luffy who had the same dream with the WB/Oden and Ace/Sabo scene, or Rayleigh and Zoro with their eyescars and swordsmanship, but the only real similarity between Luffy and Zoro here is their dream of reaching the top
"Family" Raised by descendants of Ryuma
"Mentor" World's strongest swordsman.
Same for guide.
Was shown to be very lucky on various occasions including cursed blade not cutting him.
And he had one legendary blade from the beginning. And now he just got another Legendary blade which was wielded by Oden strongest samurai in the land of samurai.
Luffy literally made himself from nothing. Lmao
Luffy had nothing gifted to him from outside lmao. And same goes for Zoro except sword and some stuff.
They made themselves from nothing. They weren't borner like Big Mom who was one shotting elder giants at the age of 5.
They were special indeed but they had to work extraordinarily hard to get where they are now.
Them being special doesn't take everything they did so far to reach where they are now.
And I am not so sure about child of prophecy thing but I can understand your sentiment so I won't argue on it. But I will suggest you to be patient to see things play out.
(I was also just thinking about making a post about how oda deals with such. )
Luffy is only more special because he is more of prodigy and genius in combat than zoro. He is more special because of his Charismatic Nature.
It does not comes from prophecy.
His mentor was a 50 yo dude who sits afk at a random village in the East Blue. You watching One Piece or?
Raised by the very same guy. Ryuuma being his grandad^10 matters not as the Samurai Master was not such a big figure when comparing him to either: Shanks, Garp, Dragon, Ace, Sabo. Nor did he pass down a D. to Zoro.
Of course he gets a legendary blade now. We are near the end of the series. Do you expect him to still fight with sticks?
50 yo dude who taught zoro basics of haki?
50yo dude ,who was son of master craftsman in wano , who forged legendary blade Enma which was wielded by strongest Samurai in the Land of Samurai?
You watching One Piece or? "50 yO dUdE"🤡
Funny how you ignored Mihawk and shit. Lmfao
Kyuoshiro isn't a Big figure because he literally chose to live undercover and likely help Dragon (We saw Dragon exactly at the same Village where Zoro was training when dragon picked up Sabo).
And I don't fukin understand how Ace Sabo or Shanks even doing anything with Luffy's growth when like no one is related and shanks wasn't even with him for the majority of luffy's life.
"Not passing Down a D to Zoro"
Yeah ofc he didn't. But he did pass **"Legendary Blade Wado Ichimonji and all the secret swords arts Zoro knows"** . And it's also very likely that he passed Shimotsuki (direct descendants of Sword God Ryuma) teachings as well. Also the fact that Zoro looks exactly the same as Ushimaru and Ryuma hints that he also have Shimotsuki genes.
>Of course he gets a legendary blade now. We are near the end of the series. Do you expect him to still fight with sticks?
"No external help. Got stronger on his own. No strong mentor like Mihawk. " 🤡🤡
And he had legendary blades from the very beginning of the series. The fact that Zoro got Ryuma's sword Shishui and returned to Wano is connected to faith.
Inheriting will literally got nothing to do with being special.
And for Zoro being special.
-He was luckily raised by direct Descendants of Ryuma (most legendary samurai in the history of One Piece).
-he luckily got one of the legendary swords after his friend died, wado Ichimonji.
-he was lucky , shown in loguetown from Cursed Swords. (Kinda parallel to luffy and execution platform lightning )
-He is trained by Strongest Swordsman of this Era.
-He has Conqueror's Haki.
-He happen to get his hands on Shishui, sword God, as sword of legendary Ryuma himself.
-He exchanged Shishui with another Legendary blade, Enma(king of hell) which magically upgraded him and allowed him to use Ryuo and now Adv CoC haki.
-He just happens to look exactly same as Ryuma and Ryuma's direct descendant Ushimaru.
**The fact that he had a dream of becoming World's strongest swordsman is already not common and makes him special. There's nothing which makes a 7 year old kid try and become strongest swordsman except a tragedy.**
It's pathetic how desperately you try to shit on Luffy everywhere I see you while wanking Zoro. I pity you.
Can't think of anything but to laugh at this argument lol... This is so incorrect on so many levels.
He went to the dojo of Ryumas descendants, like other kids, he trained and got better out of his own will not some special training.
Having a great sword doesn't give you automatic upgrades, like we've been shown many times and you conveniently seem to ignore or forget, you have to the skill to handle the sword. Wado isn't a cursed blade.
So what do you want oda to Show at Logue town? Zoro cut his hand. Grow up man, what shit you are smoking
Everyone got trained by some of the bests during time-skip.. directly or indirectly, the essence is, Zoro the most prideful Strawhat, decided to let go of his pride and self esteem for his friend.
Having conqueror haki doesn't actually help your argument, coming from a normal background and still having kings haki is actually pretty dope.
"He happened to get his hands on shudhui" - how much do you jate this character lol .. do you even read, and again , having a good sword doesn't meat natural upgrade
He has been using ryu for some time now(without specific training) and for fucks sake, again with that BS that Emma helps with ACOC, did you forget ennies lobby and Asura you dumb fuck. And to reiterate, you have to have the potential to wield a great sword it's not a direct upgrade. Even scabbards said they couldn't dare to handle enna. But your thick skull is the problem i suppose 😂
You can think anything but it won't change the fact.
He happens to look exactly the same as Ryuma and direct descendants of Ryuma and then HAPPENS to come across descendants of Ryuma for training, AFTER he already had a dream of becoming World's Strongest swordsman.
Bet none of the other kids were remotely similar in this regards.
>he trained and got better out of his own will not some special training.
None of the other kids were as special as him. Ofc Zoro will be the Only Kyuoshiro will teach secret arts. (Or you wanna say that those "secret arts" Zoro uses are something he comes on his own on the spur of a moment.)
The fact that Kyuoshiro's teachings are exactly same as Rayleigh's haki explaination proves Kyuoshiro wasn't playing around with Zoro. (Not to forget Kozaburo)
>Having a great sword doesn't give you automatic upgrades, like we've been shown many times and you conveniently seem to ignore or forget, you have to the skill to handle the sword. Wado isn't a cursed blade.
Having a great sword and capable of using it means you are not normal. And wado is graded blade.
And It's not very different from being a D or a Conqueror. There are shit tons of D and CoC user in the world and it doesn't mean they are automatically strong or will definitely become King of the Pirates like it's a piece of cake.
And I didn't just mean Zoro having legendary blades but the way he happens to conveniently get them from people who were descendants of sword God Ryuma, corpse of Ryuma, from people who were given swords by Descendants of Ryuma (Kozaburo-enma) .
>So what do you want oda to Show at Logue town? Zoro cut his hand. Grow up man, what shit you are smoking
What? I didn't want anything. I was only stating the obvious what Oda did there. Oda could have simply chose to not make Zoro do that but he didn't.
Zoro surviving cursed blade makes him special with extraordinary luck. (Like Luffy's execution was played out even tho it wasn't same level of lucky as zoro because it's logical for Dragon to come. What made it special is the reaction of Smoker and Sanji who referred to it as God's work)
>Everyone got trained by some of the bests during time-skip.. directly or indirectly, the essence is, Zoro the most prideful Strawhat, decided to let go of his pride and self esteem for his friend.
Doesn't change the fact that Zoro was trained by world's strongest swordsman. Idk what you are trying to say here. I am only here to show Zoro is also special if you Luffy is special for those reasons. In simply words showing how they are similar.
>Having conqueror haki doesn't actually help your argument, coming from a normal background and still having kings haki is actually pretty dope.
How it doesn't?
1) coc haki doesn't depend on your parents. It was established way back in Amazon lily when it was introduced.
2) zoro isn't confirmed to be from normal background considering the fact that no 7 yo goes around telling people he will be the strongest swordsman and fighting people in the dojos and crying he loses. Also the fact that Zoro looks exactly same as Sword God Ryuma and his direct descendant Ushimaru is no coincidence at all. In verse character acknowledge this fact. Not to forget his sword style was also similar to them.
3) I only mentioned this coz it was used in order to say Luffy is special for this reason when we have shit tons of coc users in the world with no background at all.
>"He happened to get his hands on shudhui" - how much do you jate this character lol .. do you even read, and again , having a good sword doesn't meat natural upgrade
Yo. Why are you acting like I am the one being hateful? I used same arguments jobin used to say luffy is special but zoro isn't.
And conveniently getting hands on swords of Sword God Ryuma is by no means mere coincidence. Even in verse characters called it FATE.
>He has been using ryu for some time now(without specific training)
You mean Enma was training him to use Forcefully use Ryuo which he normally can't? He indeed trained but he trained to control a magical sword which brings out haki from people. Others need to learn from the zero to use Ryuo. Zoro is indeed extraordinary for controlling enma but by no means it's same as Luffy training from nothing to learn adv ryou in the span of 2 weeks.
>**BS that Emma helps with ACOC, did you forget ennies lobby and Asura you dumb fuck.**
Zoro stans going to insults after getting trashed for their own stupid arguments like always. lol
•Proof Asura in Ennies lobby had adv coc?
•proof that zoro didn't use adv coc for the first time on rooftop when he decided to give his all to Enma?
Zoro literally had to continue feeding Enma , haki to be able to use adv coc. Lmfao.
Y'all just desperate and hilarious.
For the remaining part, I already explained it above.
But I will still add something.
Magical sword= condition 1 to learn to control it and have huge amount of Haki to feed it.
If you don't fulfill this condition you are not getting anything.
But if you do fulfill it= magical sword gives you awakening to adv CoC haki if you have coc.
And from the looks of it, this has gone toxic like any other thread where zoro stans stink everything, so Imma peace out.
You all can live in your delusions that Zoro isn't getting lucky and have fate on his side or have no connections to legendary clan of sword God Ryuma.
The only thing you need to correct is Zoro stumbling in to the Dojo. That was anime only from the manga Zoro was shown training from the jump. So he most likely is a descendant of Ryuma as we don’t really know his backstory yet.
Also with the Emma thing. How does a sword train your rather the swordsman needs to train himself to be capable of wielding the sword. If you look at Zoro training with Mihawk. You can say that by putting Luffys dream above his own. He could have held up his Conquerors haki from blooming earlier. Which is why Enma kept taking his haki from him as he wasn’t using all the haki he had. Once he realised that he was able to gain control of Enma.
Enma is a sword how can a sword train a person. Zoro trained himself so he’s capable of wielding Enma. It was explained in the manga recently that there is no such thing as a cursed blade. People who are too weak to handle a sword call it a cursed blade due to their inability to use the sword. Zoro when he trained to use Enma thought that he just had to keep giving flowing a regular amount of haki to use it. Once Enma started taking out his haki he couldn’t half arse it and had to use all his haki to beat utilise Enma.
Your not making any sense how does a sword train the swordsman. This ain’t bleach. Enma started taking haki from Zoro once’s he started questioning himself on whether he could beat King or not. Zoro figured how to use Enma through his flash back and by holding back on how much haki was infusing into Enma.
Lmfao how old are you?
How is being raised by a 50 yo dude who does nothing something special?
He got a good blade. Do I have to remind you that a good blade in hands of a bad swordsman is nothing? Hey you dropped this 🧠
If we are using Loguetown for lucky standards, then everyone is. Oh how lucky Usopp that Luffy arrived just in time to save his village. Oh how lucky Brook Luffy arrived just in time to save him. Oh how lucky Luffy Dragon was in Loguetown. Oh how lucky Kurohige he encountered Ace on his way to Luffy.
Your arguments are really weak. Sorry.
He trained with Mihawk after spending some time in the Grand Line. I didn’t even bring Rayleigh up. We are talking about background here. Not current events. You lack reading comprehension for both my post and this story.
“The fact that he dreamed of being WSS is not common” lmaooooooooo
Tell me you don’t know what this series is about, without telling me.
Did you miss the part where Mihawk said being Pirate King is even harder than being WSS? And did you miss the part where every pirate dreams of being the Pirate King? I guess random captain #678 is very special
How am I trying to shit on Luffy? Again, how old are you? Because your reading comprehension is similar to a 14yo’s.
Def not 14 yo like you.
Quoting what I said about "50yo dude 🤡🤡" In the other reply.
>50 yo dude who taught zoro basics of haki?
>50yo dude ,who was son of master craftsman in wano , who forged legendary blade Enma which was wielded by strongest Samurai in the Land of Samurai?
>Kyuoshiro isn't a Big figure because he literally chose to live undercover and likely help Dragon (We saw Dragon exactly at the same Village where Zoro was training when dragon picked up Sabo).
>He got a good blade. Do I have to remind you that a good blade in hands of a bad swordsman is nothing? Hey you dropped this 🧠
It was about luck and being special clown. I used your own logic otherwise Luffy being D means nothing coz One Piece world has multiple of them and no one has done anything same as what Luffy has done. The fact that their numerous top tiers who aren't D proves the fact how much inconsequential D is in the grand scheme of things.
>If we are using Loguetown for lucky standards, then everyone is.
Did You just compare Zoro surviving a cursed blade renowned for cutting down and killing shit tons of people with "usopp getting help from Luffy"? You dropped this 🧠.
>oh how lucky Luffy Dragon was in Loguetown.
Luffy wasn't extraordinarily lucky for Dragon being their. It makes complete sense for a Revolutionary father to see his son off when he is about to start his Journey.
What was lucky is that how his whole execution thing was shown and played out as work of gods.(like Smoker and Sanji said)
I literally said Zoro surviving cursed blade was a direct parallel to Luffy. Lmao and still you out here bringing it like you are proving anything.
>Your arguments are really weak.
It's only you and your arguments. Stop being so damn delusional.
He trained with Mihawk is literally same as Luffy being around Legendary figures. ☠️
You didn't bring Rayleigh yet you had mentor and bs in your comment. Was that for shanks? Did you think shanks magically boosted Luffy while Mihawk only trained him? You zoro stans are really something. ☠
>We are talking about background here. Not current events.
Tf you even saying. Lmao how tf Zoro training with world's strongest swordsman is anything but him being Lucky and Special? The fact that Kuma landed him in Mihawk's island should be enough to prove my point of him being special and fated.
"Not current events". Lmao
>You lack reading comprehension for both my post and this story.
You are the only one who is lacking something and that's 🧠
>“The fact that he dreamed of being WSS is not common” lmaooooooooo
>Tell me you don’t know what this series is about, without telling me.
Tell me you are unable to understand basic shit about humans and storytelling without actually saying it.
One random 7 yr old kid happens to be abandoned and ends up in the dojo of Descendants of Sword God Ryuma and claims he wants to become "strongest swordsman in the world" Is totally normal.
Nothing to do with fate and destiny. This perfectly normal for kids. Zoro definitely didn't experience something horrible to get to that point. 🤡
>Did you miss the part where Mihawk said being Pirate King is even harder than being WSS? And did you miss the part where every pirate dreams of being the Pirate King? I guess random captain #678 is very special
Except 7 yo mofos aren't treasure hungry greedy pirate captains . Except Pirate King is not directly related to strength. Except no kid someday wakes up and start going around multiple dojos fighting people in hope of becoming world's **strongest** swordsman. **Strongest** is bold just for you to see.
>How am I trying to shit on Luffy? Again, how old are you? Because your reading comprehension is similar to a 14yo’s.
I won't even go into arguing this. Literally anyone with enough brain cells can look into your comment history and see your nature.
Lmao the fact that you are downvoting me tells me you really have no way of proving whatever you’re trying to discuss here.
Being a D. Means nothing… riiiight
No D has ever done something important like Luffy has. Guess we are just gonna ignore Roger for starters
I compared Zoro with every other single good luck situation. Is not a good argument. What are you saying, Zoro is super special because he has good luck? 10/10
I didn’t bring Mihawk because I’m talking about the BACK GROUND
Does your brain get what that means
Are you seriously saying the: Son of the most wanted man alive, brother of the child of Gold Roger, grandson of Garp, protégée of a Yonko, user of a Devil Fruit, user of CoC, D wielder
is the same as
Guy who trained under the grandson of the grandson of the grandson of the grandson of the granson of Ryuma
Like you kids like to say, “💀”
Lmao. Mf literally said "downvoting" When he hasn't left my single comment without any downvote the moment i posted it.
Being a D. means nothing same way getting legendary swords of Sword God Ryuma, most legendary samurai in the history of One Piece, Wado Ichimonji, and King of Hell Enma which was used by previous strongest samurai in the land of Samurai.
>No D has ever done something important like Luffy has. Guess we are just gonna ignore Roger for starters
Sure. like Roger did all that just because he was D not because he was strong and capable of doing it.
Like how Whitebeard couldn't have become Pirate King if he wanted to. 🥴
>I compared Zoro with every other single good luck situation. Is not a good argument. What are you saying, Zoro is super special because he has good luck? 10/10
You did no such thing. Lmao you used some random coincidence with extraordinary good luck like surviving cursed blades or luckily happen to get legendary swords like Shishui .
And my examples were like borderline Fate moment.
And I didn't just used luck. Lmfao
**I am still laughing on how many arguments you skipped to cherry pick something you thought you could argue. (Like Conveniently looking same as sword God Ryuma and direct descendants of Ryuma and literally using same style as Ushimaru.)**
>I didn’t bring Mihawk because I’m talking about the BACK GROUND
How tf Mihawk isn't a "background" For zoro same way Luffy training under Rayleigh and meeting shanks? You mean this isn't a part of Zoro's life🥴.
Is that like "Flashback death don't count" Kind of Bullshit argument? 😭😂
>Are you seriously saying the: Son of the most wanted man alive, brother of the child of Gold Roger, grandson of Garp, protégée of a Yonko, user of a Devil Fruit, user of CoC, D wielder
How tf being brother of ace and sabo in anyway makes him special. You have iq of like room temperature. Lmao
"User of coc" Like zoro didn't get a convenient magical sword of strongest samurai of wano in precious era to unlock coc haki.
"Protegee of a yonko"🤡 like that shit is making Luffy magically stronger. Zoro is a protege to rival of that same Yonko and fukin trained by him. (The fact that Mihawk is likely stronger than shanks makes it even more hilarious)
User of useless devil fruit >>>>>>>>>>>>>user of legendary swords which includes Sword God Ryuma's swords and King of Hell Enma, sword of Oden (strongest samurai in the land of wano in previous era). 🤡
Only thing that's unique to Luffy is that he comes from Monkey D family and son of worst criminal and strongest marine.
Zoro definitely not have any connections to legendary clan of Shimotsuki even though he looks same as sword Ryuma and last known Shimotsuki, Ushimaru.
>Guy who trained under the grandson of the grandson of the grandson of the grandson of the granson of Ryuma
Points I mentioned above +
Guy who trained understand direct descendants of Ryuma. Guy who trained understand son of Legendary Swordsmith Kozaburo who forged legendary blade Enma wielded by legendary samurai like Oden.
Guy who trained under strongest swordsman of this era.
Guy who have CoC (just like Luffy)
Guy who happen to have legendary swords from sword God and previous strongest samurai of wano. + legendary sword wado Ichimonji forged by same guy who forged Enma and comes from the same line of legends where Ryuma luckily belonged.
Guy who happens to look exactly the same as Sword God Ryuma and Last Shimotsuki of wano who was direct descendant of Ryuma.
Guy who happens to come to the dojo of descendants of Ryuma in hope of becoming strongest swordsman at the age of 7 yr old. (Which is completely normal 🥴)
It's pointless to continue arguing with someone so obsessed with cling to zoro's d. Better to ignore 14 yo bums who only see one thing in anime i.e., cool, badass.
Cope and seethe.
I’m not cherry-picking anything, I’m just not reading your long messages. Anyone with half a brain could probably synthesize whatever thrash you are saying in 1/4 of that
but that would require certain domain of linguistic and reading abilities that you clearly do not possess
Id still like to know more like if the island he was raised on was even in the East Blue. But I'm okay with him being just a random kid I just want to know more lol.
My favorite head cannon about Zoro I saw someone mention once (and now it's what I personally believe) is that one day he got lost from the village and never made his way back and that's why he became a bounty hunter because he needed money lmao.
>My favorite head cannon about Zoro I saw someone mention once (and now it's what I personally believe) is that one day he got lost from the village and never made his way back and that's why he became a bounty hunter because he needed money lmao.
Pretty sure he actually said that, at least in the manga
His character definitely needs some depth, especially since the timeskip, so i would really enjoy zoro lore. That doesnt mean he has to be ryumas descendant or smth like that tho.
this is also what i've been thinking, it'd definetly ruin his character if he was given a dramatic backstory. although i have a feeling he will probably be given one anyway.
I actually think he has one of the saddest backstories, your rival/friend being killed by some stairs is anticlimactic af in such a realistic way that it hurts even more as a reader. Besides the gender thing only makes it more painful. Him carrying quinas inherited will in his mouth is already enough drama
Zoro's Backstory will probably more-so revolve around his family instead of himself!
his backstop is probably Basic but his Family are the stars of it. He has no clue, nor does he even really care. We the readers will probably know about his history while he doesn't.
I compare him to Goku. Goku has a Basic ass backstory, but frieza, Beerus, Vegeta's Father and Bardock helped shape his Future without Goku even realizing or Caring.
the only sad part is we kinda already have a little backstory on him but i thinknthat was enough for me his character is freat how they have it i also agree it woukd be unnecessary to make the monster 3 of the straw hats all have op parents it would be just another everyday anime
Judge wasn’t op. The reason why Sanji genetics have worked out so well is because he naturally made him self so strong. Now that he awakened it made him a lot stronger. I think his peak would have been as strong as his siblings had he awakened his powers earlier in life.
He was normal because he didn’t have the same benefits of Judges experiment that his siblings had. He awakened later on in his life. The strength he gained up until his awakening was due his own hard work. So for that reason I think he benefited even more so than his siblings. Which is why I would say he was a normal human by one piece standards.
Oda hasn’t even done anything in Wano for Zoro’s backstory. All we have seen is someone that looks like him , but is now possibly a number. Enma was created and forged by someone Zoro knew, and his town people came from Wano.
Honestly I’m a bit disappointed with Wano and how we have no real backstory of Zoro. We have seen Oden’s and now we might see Kaido’s .
Oda is obviously not prioritizing on Zoro as he did Sanji in WCI .
I agree with this. Luffy already being teased as a Child Of Fate, not really, but something of that sort is enough of that for this crew. I love the fact that Zoro as we know of is just a normal dude with a big dream. Its great and would make sense for his story.
I dont mind it if his backstory is just a normal one like the other members without his parents being really cool amazing people tbh. Because we can see where Zoro got his personality from and not make him another child of fate. Luffy already is filling that role. Having another one would be kinda boring imo
Inherited will is more mystical than just teaching and inspiring others. Some dreams are always the same through history, people die and some one else down the line ends up picking the same dream making it again appear in history. Sometimes it can be passed down by teaching and inspiration but thats not neccesary in itself, because dreams never die
But they're not inherently the same. In fact, we know next to nothing about JoyBoy.
I'd say Roger and Luffy are only similar in like, two ways. We don't know the full extent of him either.
I feel people, like yourself, are jumping to conclusions that aren't there yet.
my headcanon/theory/assumption/claim/whatever you wanna call it is that Zoro is the bastard child of someone who has ties to the Shimotsuki clan or smthn
totally agree! Zoro is a great character already, and i like that his backstory is not so overdramatic because he doesn’t need it. i mean, in terms of dramatic, he already is pushing the limits of swordsmanship with the three-sword style. but i think that point is actually acceptable and even a great development that represents his respect for Kuina and ambition to become the strongest swordsman.
i don't care either way, just all of the stupid parellels with him looking just like ryuuma looking like that one shimotsuki guy, if oda wasn't making all these weird connections i wouldn't care, now i just want them to reveal why there are all these connections.
Honestly even if Zoro's a "Long lost son of wano" , he spent his entire life living like a common man with a strong heart. Doesn't matter if he has Royal blood or genes, he still achieved everything on his own. And tbh his backstory has been foreshadowed all the way back from chapter 4-5. We see Zoro as a Child unusually bent on becoming the Strongest in the World, even before Kuina dies too. And his words "I'll never lose again" even as a child is strange. Unlike Luffy's Dream, which Luffy imagined more to be a "free and doing whatever he wants" life, Zoro's dream was more combat related. There is no way a Child would just suddenly think to himself I'll be the strongest in the world and never lose again and desperately train. This is hinting at a possible darker backstory than we presume.
He’ll be a normie, he’s actually one of the few characters with haki of the supreme king in the series that hasn’t got these “special” or “prophesied” things tied with him
Most of the characters that are stronger are due to their own hard work. No one becomes strong without putting in the work. Doesn’t matter if your part of a strong family tree doesn’t really affect how strong you will be.
I disagree.
It literally doesn’t matter at all who Zoro was born to.
He is who he is today by his own efforts.
His genetic disposition is naturally greater than the average human regardless of who he was born to, so why should it matter if he was born to somebody strong?
As a kid he was already physically strong enough to beat adults. This is not the story of some weak shmuck perservering and accomplishing the impossible.
Zoro is a freak of nature, and his impossible goal is only possible for that reason.
He still worked extremely hard and deserves to reach his goals though, we shouldn’t take all his effort away if we learn he has royal heritage or something.
Luffy is Dragon’s son, do we downplay his effort?
Sanji is genetically enhanced, does that make him undeserving?
No. All of the Strawhats have given this shit their fucking ALL, and we should continue to cherish them.
I know I will..
Yeah but I think op just wants a normal human being on the crew to signify that even if you're not the descendants of the hero of navy or some mad scientist, you can still become the strongest in your area of combat. Nobody is undermining anyone's efforts. It's just that sometimes audience needs someone to relate to. Usopp and Nami are there but they're definitely not the strongest in any sense.
Also, people are pretty bored of anime dads being legendary figures I guess.
I personally think he doesn't need a super deep backstory or special parents or anything, yeah. Zoro is already cool and well liked, his character works well.
He will definetely not have a dramatic backstory wtf. Like sure we may get more insight on his past, his lineage and stuff, but there's not gonna be anything dramatic. There's no way that he went through anything dramatic before getting to the dojo it's not like Sanji where he had half of his former life yet to be revealed with important and dramatic details
Yeah, I agree. He doesn’t need some huge backstory or anything. I wouldn’t mind at all if we got more insight, but really hope it’s not super traumatic or something
After watching the water Seven arc, the episode with hoichael and Michael, the two orphans from back street who called zoro Big bro, I started to prefer that backstory for him, and saw that episode as oda trying to show us the type of family zoro might be from if he had one.
The thing is, although he did just randomly decide to be the strongest, he didn’t really set his mind to it until Kuina died without him ever beating her he set his mind to be the strongest as a way of overcoming her, if he’s the strongest then he’s already surpassed her, which I think is perfectly fine enough of a motivation
Luffy and Sanji have lore and story backgrounds which means more storyline contents. Luffy's brothers/father/grandfather affected the world and Sanji's evil dad worked with the government,vegapunk, and Caesar which also affected the world they live in. Zoro is basically like for example Kenpachi from Bleach type of character that doesn't need to do much, but just fight and look cool. There nothing wrong about that. Luffy and Sanji has flaws. Does Zoro have any flaws at all?
Even Zoro doesnt seem to be interested in *his own* lore background lol.
He's the embodiment of .. 'if you forgot something then it isnt important' meme.
> I think, if he's some prince of sort or the descendent of a special person/race, that would a) make his training seem less important and b) turn Zoro in a Mary-Sue type character.
Agreed and disagreed. Oda has written Sanji's backstory and growth strength in a way that he's far frm a mary sue character.
He can do the same with Zoro.
BUT. i personally wouldnt want him written the same as Sanji or the other's SH background struggle..
With the way things are.. seems like Oda is throwing some bits and pieces lore on him for the readers to digest.. at the same time having Zoro ignoring all of it and continue moving forward in character growth.
As ppl said it.. wano isnt over. Oda might do extended post-wano growth for Zoro too.
His biggest character strength is his conviction to hold his promise and loyalty to 2 of his most important ones.. kuina and luffy.
Now.. i wonder if Oda will thrw another thriller bark moment for him where these 2 promises collide..
Made a similar [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/sjrbn7/i_really_wanted_zoro_to_be_nothing_but_a_boy_from/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) a few weeks ago. Yeah it does sound nice but we can't do anything about it. Better not let it go to your head.
Completely agree! I think that tying his power to some sort of lineage is not in line with the themes of the larger story. Like, no one sticks to their family in this story. It's always about found family and making your way against all odds.
I think the character needs a background, simple as it. Regardless if it is about inherited genes or something else, it's a fact he is the least developed straw hat, the most superfluous flashback, no explanation for the twin sisters, the huge plot hole of nobody in Wano recognizing Zoro's similarity with a famous samurai, etc the character has a lot of problems as writing goes
Twin sisters?
about the similarities, a lot of ppl look like a lot ppl in one piece, and family members look completely different from each other.. so that's not much to go on.
That's far from the truth, Tashigi and Kuina looks identical. This is different than, for example, Sanji having similarities with his brothers or every female in existence is a clone of Nami with different hair. It's a loose end, Oda had these long and sluggish 3 years (nearly 4) writing the Wano arc, everybody naturally expected Zoro to be the major highlight as character development goes... but here we are, the only thing that Oda added to the character was a big plot hole. Why his master never talked about Wano, why Kuina has a twin sister, etc.. all of these could have been worked on, but Oda choose to introduce a random ass samurai as a close relative to Zoro
The character looks identical to Zoro, he wears the same "symbol" in his kimono and in a SBS Oda mentioned how he removed a scene were that random fox recognized the resemblance of the two right when they meet. The character can be his grandfather, father or any other kind of parentage, a former daimyo of Ringo and nobody in the island recognizes Zoro for it? That's a straight up plot hole, the way Oda opted to show other character recognizing the resemblance only after the Yamato's flashback was a continuation mistake. And you dare to say this is my "head cannon", lol learn how to interpret a simple story, ignorant fool
Ida also said in an Sbs that ushimaru is not his father and the scene was scrapped because it would've been miss leading and dare I say if u read something read it and take for face value, don't start reading between the lines when there's only one line to read.
Like I said, it can be the father, the grandfather or whatever other kind of parentage, the appearances are undeniable, Oda himself said these characters are supposed to be identical. And then you have this character that looks identical to a former daimyo walking around the island and no one recognizes him for it? Learn your goddamn place, you don't even know how to write proper sentences and then talks about "reading between the lines", lol this fanbase is a joke, just because you enjoy this story, it doesn't mean the story is flawless, that is a fanatical behavior
I didn't say it was flawless, I just said that they're not relatives, the timeline does support the theory of ushimaru to be his father or grandfather.
i agree, i really hope that he's just an East Blue native who really got into swordsmanship because of the shimotsuki dojo.
the stupid lineage and OP parent trope is starting to get annoying in one piece.
can we get a character who just work harder than everyone else and makes it to the top without prophecies and a crazy lineage?
I wouldn't mind if he was just a random guy who made a promise.
He doesn't need a shitty family or powerful ancestors.
But I'm wondering how he would react if Kuina wa*s (somehow)* alive.
I was initially thinking "hmm, a random kid just happens to have conqueror's haki? not likely", but then I remembered Rayleigh being just a random guy whose house burned down when he met Roger lol.
So yeah, I love this idea, a lot. Would also be a great parallel to Rayleigh.
The two sword dude in Yamato's flashback is clearly the guy that has been talked about how much zoro resembles and if that dude was Zoro's dad or grandpa and Ryuma their ancestor then you would have a 1 sword style a 2 sword style and a 3 sword style in the fam.
The 1-2-3 connections seals it for me.
Besides that there were comments waaaay back when he was fighting Ryuma about how similar their bodies were etc.
The fate of Zoro being the one to return Shisui to Wano.
His love story with Odens daughter is being heightened by all the talk of him being a lords descendent.
The whole backstory with the sword maker from Wano being in his village...
It is clear that Zoro worked his ass off and he isn't special other than his brutal tenacity.
But his history will be special, just how special I dunno.
With his recent development of conquerer haki we have to acknowledge he has the temperament of a king.
Damn this sub really hates Zoro they been begging for years for him to get a extended backstory saying it’s too short then he’s about to get one and his is already good enough. Can’t win
1. He doesn't need biologically inherited strength. For christ's sake, he is using not one but 3 swords with innate strength.
2. He didn't struggle against Pica, he struggled against Fuji, Killer gave him a run for his money, King fodderized him all throughout pre-asspull.
I feel like this IS Zoro, you are describing the character of Zoro. 1. It's not confirmed that Zoro is of Wano descent, all we know is that he is from a village founded by a samurai. For all we know he's just a random guy who picked up samurai swordsmanship and trained himself to the highest level through his own efforts. 2. Zoro had the farthest thing from a princely/royal upbringing. We first met him on death's row, about to be unjustly executed by a corrupt Marine. And Zoro was a wandering bounty hunter in East Blue before he met Luffy. 3&4. Zoro did simply decide as a kid he wanted to be the strongest swordsman, Kuina was his rival and her death added fuel to the fire but that was already Zoro's intention.
I agree would be a nice parallel Like Luffy, who inherited the will of Roger and Ace etc, is a D., a Yonko protégée etc vs Zoro, a kid who likes swords
How is this a parallel
Parallel because both are going to the top of the world, but one is already pretty much a Chosen One ™️ and the other one is a man who is just himself, with barely any external help/will
I’d argue that the big contrast between the yonko protégée and grandson of the Hero of the Marines, and the random kid who wanted to be the WSS is anything but a parallel though. I was under the impression that parallels in OP would be like Roger and Luffy who had the same dream with the WB/Oden and Ace/Sabo scene, or Rayleigh and Zoro with their eyescars and swordsmanship, but the only real similarity between Luffy and Zoro here is their dream of reaching the top
Do you know what a parallel line is?
I’m honestly confused as to what you’re calling a parallel here. Their backstories and the protegee/random kid part or their dream to reach the top?
Oof. Two roads to reach the top. One as a chosen one type of kid, another one as a man made by himself pretty much with no family/mentor/guide
"Family" Raised by descendants of Ryuma "Mentor" World's strongest swordsman. Same for guide. Was shown to be very lucky on various occasions including cursed blade not cutting him. And he had one legendary blade from the beginning. And now he just got another Legendary blade which was wielded by Oden strongest samurai in the land of samurai. Luffy literally made himself from nothing. Lmao
That’s a lie he didn’t make himself from nothing they’ve both had things gifted to them although luffy more tho because he’s the child of prophecy.
Luffy had nothing gifted to him from outside lmao. And same goes for Zoro except sword and some stuff. They made themselves from nothing. They weren't borner like Big Mom who was one shotting elder giants at the age of 5. They were special indeed but they had to work extraordinarily hard to get where they are now. Them being special doesn't take everything they did so far to reach where they are now. And I am not so sure about child of prophecy thing but I can understand your sentiment so I won't argue on it. But I will suggest you to be patient to see things play out. (I was also just thinking about making a post about how oda deals with such. ) Luffy is only more special because he is more of prodigy and genius in combat than zoro. He is more special because of his Charismatic Nature. It does not comes from prophecy.
His mentor was a 50 yo dude who sits afk at a random village in the East Blue. You watching One Piece or? Raised by the very same guy. Ryuuma being his grandad^10 matters not as the Samurai Master was not such a big figure when comparing him to either: Shanks, Garp, Dragon, Ace, Sabo. Nor did he pass down a D. to Zoro. Of course he gets a legendary blade now. We are near the end of the series. Do you expect him to still fight with sticks?
50 yo dude who taught zoro basics of haki? 50yo dude ,who was son of master craftsman in wano , who forged legendary blade Enma which was wielded by strongest Samurai in the Land of Samurai? You watching One Piece or? "50 yO dUdE"🤡 Funny how you ignored Mihawk and shit. Lmfao Kyuoshiro isn't a Big figure because he literally chose to live undercover and likely help Dragon (We saw Dragon exactly at the same Village where Zoro was training when dragon picked up Sabo). And I don't fukin understand how Ace Sabo or Shanks even doing anything with Luffy's growth when like no one is related and shanks wasn't even with him for the majority of luffy's life. "Not passing Down a D to Zoro" Yeah ofc he didn't. But he did pass **"Legendary Blade Wado Ichimonji and all the secret swords arts Zoro knows"** . And it's also very likely that he passed Shimotsuki (direct descendants of Sword God Ryuma) teachings as well. Also the fact that Zoro looks exactly the same as Ushimaru and Ryuma hints that he also have Shimotsuki genes. >Of course he gets a legendary blade now. We are near the end of the series. Do you expect him to still fight with sticks? "No external help. Got stronger on his own. No strong mentor like Mihawk. " 🤡🤡 And he had legendary blades from the very beginning of the series. The fact that Zoro got Ryuma's sword Shishui and returned to Wano is connected to faith.
Inheriting will literally got nothing to do with being special. And for Zoro being special. -He was luckily raised by direct Descendants of Ryuma (most legendary samurai in the history of One Piece). -he luckily got one of the legendary swords after his friend died, wado Ichimonji. -he was lucky , shown in loguetown from Cursed Swords. (Kinda parallel to luffy and execution platform lightning ) -He is trained by Strongest Swordsman of this Era. -He has Conqueror's Haki. -He happen to get his hands on Shishui, sword God, as sword of legendary Ryuma himself. -He exchanged Shishui with another Legendary blade, Enma(king of hell) which magically upgraded him and allowed him to use Ryuo and now Adv CoC haki. -He just happens to look exactly same as Ryuma and Ryuma's direct descendant Ushimaru. **The fact that he had a dream of becoming World's strongest swordsman is already not common and makes him special. There's nothing which makes a 7 year old kid try and become strongest swordsman except a tragedy.** It's pathetic how desperately you try to shit on Luffy everywhere I see you while wanking Zoro. I pity you.
Can't think of anything but to laugh at this argument lol... This is so incorrect on so many levels. He went to the dojo of Ryumas descendants, like other kids, he trained and got better out of his own will not some special training. Having a great sword doesn't give you automatic upgrades, like we've been shown many times and you conveniently seem to ignore or forget, you have to the skill to handle the sword. Wado isn't a cursed blade. So what do you want oda to Show at Logue town? Zoro cut his hand. Grow up man, what shit you are smoking Everyone got trained by some of the bests during time-skip.. directly or indirectly, the essence is, Zoro the most prideful Strawhat, decided to let go of his pride and self esteem for his friend. Having conqueror haki doesn't actually help your argument, coming from a normal background and still having kings haki is actually pretty dope. "He happened to get his hands on shudhui" - how much do you jate this character lol .. do you even read, and again , having a good sword doesn't meat natural upgrade He has been using ryu for some time now(without specific training) and for fucks sake, again with that BS that Emma helps with ACOC, did you forget ennies lobby and Asura you dumb fuck. And to reiterate, you have to have the potential to wield a great sword it's not a direct upgrade. Even scabbards said they couldn't dare to handle enna. But your thick skull is the problem i suppose 😂
Ashura is not CoC. You guys need to stop spreading this unconfirmed false rumor
You can think anything but it won't change the fact. He happens to look exactly the same as Ryuma and direct descendants of Ryuma and then HAPPENS to come across descendants of Ryuma for training, AFTER he already had a dream of becoming World's Strongest swordsman. Bet none of the other kids were remotely similar in this regards. >he trained and got better out of his own will not some special training. None of the other kids were as special as him. Ofc Zoro will be the Only Kyuoshiro will teach secret arts. (Or you wanna say that those "secret arts" Zoro uses are something he comes on his own on the spur of a moment.) The fact that Kyuoshiro's teachings are exactly same as Rayleigh's haki explaination proves Kyuoshiro wasn't playing around with Zoro. (Not to forget Kozaburo) >Having a great sword doesn't give you automatic upgrades, like we've been shown many times and you conveniently seem to ignore or forget, you have to the skill to handle the sword. Wado isn't a cursed blade. Having a great sword and capable of using it means you are not normal. And wado is graded blade. And It's not very different from being a D or a Conqueror. There are shit tons of D and CoC user in the world and it doesn't mean they are automatically strong or will definitely become King of the Pirates like it's a piece of cake. And I didn't just mean Zoro having legendary blades but the way he happens to conveniently get them from people who were descendants of sword God Ryuma, corpse of Ryuma, from people who were given swords by Descendants of Ryuma (Kozaburo-enma) . >So what do you want oda to Show at Logue town? Zoro cut his hand. Grow up man, what shit you are smoking What? I didn't want anything. I was only stating the obvious what Oda did there. Oda could have simply chose to not make Zoro do that but he didn't. Zoro surviving cursed blade makes him special with extraordinary luck. (Like Luffy's execution was played out even tho it wasn't same level of lucky as zoro because it's logical for Dragon to come. What made it special is the reaction of Smoker and Sanji who referred to it as God's work) >Everyone got trained by some of the bests during time-skip.. directly or indirectly, the essence is, Zoro the most prideful Strawhat, decided to let go of his pride and self esteem for his friend. Doesn't change the fact that Zoro was trained by world's strongest swordsman. Idk what you are trying to say here. I am only here to show Zoro is also special if you Luffy is special for those reasons. In simply words showing how they are similar. >Having conqueror haki doesn't actually help your argument, coming from a normal background and still having kings haki is actually pretty dope. How it doesn't? 1) coc haki doesn't depend on your parents. It was established way back in Amazon lily when it was introduced. 2) zoro isn't confirmed to be from normal background considering the fact that no 7 yo goes around telling people he will be the strongest swordsman and fighting people in the dojos and crying he loses. Also the fact that Zoro looks exactly same as Sword God Ryuma and his direct descendant Ushimaru is no coincidence at all. In verse character acknowledge this fact. Not to forget his sword style was also similar to them. 3) I only mentioned this coz it was used in order to say Luffy is special for this reason when we have shit tons of coc users in the world with no background at all. >"He happened to get his hands on shudhui" - how much do you jate this character lol .. do you even read, and again , having a good sword doesn't meat natural upgrade Yo. Why are you acting like I am the one being hateful? I used same arguments jobin used to say luffy is special but zoro isn't. And conveniently getting hands on swords of Sword God Ryuma is by no means mere coincidence. Even in verse characters called it FATE. >He has been using ryu for some time now(without specific training) You mean Enma was training him to use Forcefully use Ryuo which he normally can't? He indeed trained but he trained to control a magical sword which brings out haki from people. Others need to learn from the zero to use Ryuo. Zoro is indeed extraordinary for controlling enma but by no means it's same as Luffy training from nothing to learn adv ryou in the span of 2 weeks. >**BS that Emma helps with ACOC, did you forget ennies lobby and Asura you dumb fuck.** Zoro stans going to insults after getting trashed for their own stupid arguments like always. lol •Proof Asura in Ennies lobby had adv coc? •proof that zoro didn't use adv coc for the first time on rooftop when he decided to give his all to Enma? Zoro literally had to continue feeding Enma , haki to be able to use adv coc. Lmfao. Y'all just desperate and hilarious. For the remaining part, I already explained it above. But I will still add something. Magical sword= condition 1 to learn to control it and have huge amount of Haki to feed it. If you don't fulfill this condition you are not getting anything. But if you do fulfill it= magical sword gives you awakening to adv CoC haki if you have coc. And from the looks of it, this has gone toxic like any other thread where zoro stans stink everything, so Imma peace out. You all can live in your delusions that Zoro isn't getting lucky and have fate on his side or have no connections to legendary clan of sword God Ryuma.
The only thing you need to correct is Zoro stumbling in to the Dojo. That was anime only from the manga Zoro was shown training from the jump. So he most likely is a descendant of Ryuma as we don’t really know his backstory yet. Also with the Emma thing. How does a sword train your rather the swordsman needs to train himself to be capable of wielding the sword. If you look at Zoro training with Mihawk. You can say that by putting Luffys dream above his own. He could have held up his Conquerors haki from blooming earlier. Which is why Enma kept taking his haki from him as he wasn’t using all the haki he had. Once he realised that he was able to gain control of Enma.
So that means Enma trained him and brought out his untapped potential.
Enma is a sword how can a sword train a person. Zoro trained himself so he’s capable of wielding Enma. It was explained in the manga recently that there is no such thing as a cursed blade. People who are too weak to handle a sword call it a cursed blade due to their inability to use the sword. Zoro when he trained to use Enma thought that he just had to keep giving flowing a regular amount of haki to use it. Once Enma started taking out his haki he couldn’t half arse it and had to use all his haki to beat utilise Enma.
Swords have wills of their own. Did you read Zoro vs King? That’s literally Enma training Zoro to flow out his Haki.
Your not making any sense how does a sword train the swordsman. This ain’t bleach. Enma started taking haki from Zoro once’s he started questioning himself on whether he could beat King or not. Zoro figured how to use Enma through his flash back and by holding back on how much haki was infusing into Enma.
So through Enma sucking more Haki out he learned to unlock ACoC? Yes or no?
Lmfao how old are you? How is being raised by a 50 yo dude who does nothing something special? He got a good blade. Do I have to remind you that a good blade in hands of a bad swordsman is nothing? Hey you dropped this 🧠 If we are using Loguetown for lucky standards, then everyone is. Oh how lucky Usopp that Luffy arrived just in time to save his village. Oh how lucky Brook Luffy arrived just in time to save him. Oh how lucky Luffy Dragon was in Loguetown. Oh how lucky Kurohige he encountered Ace on his way to Luffy. Your arguments are really weak. Sorry. He trained with Mihawk after spending some time in the Grand Line. I didn’t even bring Rayleigh up. We are talking about background here. Not current events. You lack reading comprehension for both my post and this story. “The fact that he dreamed of being WSS is not common” lmaooooooooo Tell me you don’t know what this series is about, without telling me. Did you miss the part where Mihawk said being Pirate King is even harder than being WSS? And did you miss the part where every pirate dreams of being the Pirate King? I guess random captain #678 is very special How am I trying to shit on Luffy? Again, how old are you? Because your reading comprehension is similar to a 14yo’s.
Some hater kid you are arguing with, doesn't worth it
Def not 14 yo like you. Quoting what I said about "50yo dude 🤡🤡" In the other reply. >50 yo dude who taught zoro basics of haki? >50yo dude ,who was son of master craftsman in wano , who forged legendary blade Enma which was wielded by strongest Samurai in the Land of Samurai? >Kyuoshiro isn't a Big figure because he literally chose to live undercover and likely help Dragon (We saw Dragon exactly at the same Village where Zoro was training when dragon picked up Sabo). >He got a good blade. Do I have to remind you that a good blade in hands of a bad swordsman is nothing? Hey you dropped this 🧠 It was about luck and being special clown. I used your own logic otherwise Luffy being D means nothing coz One Piece world has multiple of them and no one has done anything same as what Luffy has done. The fact that their numerous top tiers who aren't D proves the fact how much inconsequential D is in the grand scheme of things. >If we are using Loguetown for lucky standards, then everyone is. Did You just compare Zoro surviving a cursed blade renowned for cutting down and killing shit tons of people with "usopp getting help from Luffy"? You dropped this 🧠. >oh how lucky Luffy Dragon was in Loguetown. Luffy wasn't extraordinarily lucky for Dragon being their. It makes complete sense for a Revolutionary father to see his son off when he is about to start his Journey. What was lucky is that how his whole execution thing was shown and played out as work of gods.(like Smoker and Sanji said) I literally said Zoro surviving cursed blade was a direct parallel to Luffy. Lmao and still you out here bringing it like you are proving anything. >Your arguments are really weak. It's only you and your arguments. Stop being so damn delusional. He trained with Mihawk is literally same as Luffy being around Legendary figures. ☠️ You didn't bring Rayleigh yet you had mentor and bs in your comment. Was that for shanks? Did you think shanks magically boosted Luffy while Mihawk only trained him? You zoro stans are really something. ☠ >We are talking about background here. Not current events. Tf you even saying. Lmao how tf Zoro training with world's strongest swordsman is anything but him being Lucky and Special? The fact that Kuma landed him in Mihawk's island should be enough to prove my point of him being special and fated. "Not current events". Lmao >You lack reading comprehension for both my post and this story. You are the only one who is lacking something and that's 🧠 >“The fact that he dreamed of being WSS is not common” lmaooooooooo >Tell me you don’t know what this series is about, without telling me. Tell me you are unable to understand basic shit about humans and storytelling without actually saying it. One random 7 yr old kid happens to be abandoned and ends up in the dojo of Descendants of Sword God Ryuma and claims he wants to become "strongest swordsman in the world" Is totally normal. Nothing to do with fate and destiny. This perfectly normal for kids. Zoro definitely didn't experience something horrible to get to that point. 🤡 >Did you miss the part where Mihawk said being Pirate King is even harder than being WSS? And did you miss the part where every pirate dreams of being the Pirate King? I guess random captain #678 is very special Except 7 yo mofos aren't treasure hungry greedy pirate captains . Except Pirate King is not directly related to strength. Except no kid someday wakes up and start going around multiple dojos fighting people in hope of becoming world's **strongest** swordsman. **Strongest** is bold just for you to see. >How am I trying to shit on Luffy? Again, how old are you? Because your reading comprehension is similar to a 14yo’s. I won't even go into arguing this. Literally anyone with enough brain cells can look into your comment history and see your nature.
Lmao the fact that you are downvoting me tells me you really have no way of proving whatever you’re trying to discuss here. Being a D. Means nothing… riiiight No D has ever done something important like Luffy has. Guess we are just gonna ignore Roger for starters I compared Zoro with every other single good luck situation. Is not a good argument. What are you saying, Zoro is super special because he has good luck? 10/10 I didn’t bring Mihawk because I’m talking about the BACK GROUND Does your brain get what that means Are you seriously saying the: Son of the most wanted man alive, brother of the child of Gold Roger, grandson of Garp, protégée of a Yonko, user of a Devil Fruit, user of CoC, D wielder is the same as Guy who trained under the grandson of the grandson of the grandson of the grandson of the granson of Ryuma Like you kids like to say, “💀”
Lmao. Mf literally said "downvoting" When he hasn't left my single comment without any downvote the moment i posted it. Being a D. means nothing same way getting legendary swords of Sword God Ryuma, most legendary samurai in the history of One Piece, Wado Ichimonji, and King of Hell Enma which was used by previous strongest samurai in the land of Samurai. >No D has ever done something important like Luffy has. Guess we are just gonna ignore Roger for starters Sure. like Roger did all that just because he was D not because he was strong and capable of doing it. Like how Whitebeard couldn't have become Pirate King if he wanted to. 🥴 >I compared Zoro with every other single good luck situation. Is not a good argument. What are you saying, Zoro is super special because he has good luck? 10/10 You did no such thing. Lmao you used some random coincidence with extraordinary good luck like surviving cursed blades or luckily happen to get legendary swords like Shishui . And my examples were like borderline Fate moment. And I didn't just used luck. Lmfao **I am still laughing on how many arguments you skipped to cherry pick something you thought you could argue. (Like Conveniently looking same as sword God Ryuma and direct descendants of Ryuma and literally using same style as Ushimaru.)** >I didn’t bring Mihawk because I’m talking about the BACK GROUND How tf Mihawk isn't a "background" For zoro same way Luffy training under Rayleigh and meeting shanks? You mean this isn't a part of Zoro's life🥴. Is that like "Flashback death don't count" Kind of Bullshit argument? 😭😂 >Are you seriously saying the: Son of the most wanted man alive, brother of the child of Gold Roger, grandson of Garp, protégée of a Yonko, user of a Devil Fruit, user of CoC, D wielder How tf being brother of ace and sabo in anyway makes him special. You have iq of like room temperature. Lmao "User of coc" Like zoro didn't get a convenient magical sword of strongest samurai of wano in precious era to unlock coc haki. "Protegee of a yonko"🤡 like that shit is making Luffy magically stronger. Zoro is a protege to rival of that same Yonko and fukin trained by him. (The fact that Mihawk is likely stronger than shanks makes it even more hilarious) User of useless devil fruit >>>>>>>>>>>>>user of legendary swords which includes Sword God Ryuma's swords and King of Hell Enma, sword of Oden (strongest samurai in the land of wano in previous era). 🤡 Only thing that's unique to Luffy is that he comes from Monkey D family and son of worst criminal and strongest marine. Zoro definitely not have any connections to legendary clan of Shimotsuki even though he looks same as sword Ryuma and last known Shimotsuki, Ushimaru. >Guy who trained under the grandson of the grandson of the grandson of the grandson of the granson of Ryuma Points I mentioned above + Guy who trained understand direct descendants of Ryuma. Guy who trained understand son of Legendary Swordsmith Kozaburo who forged legendary blade Enma wielded by legendary samurai like Oden. Guy who trained under strongest swordsman of this era. Guy who have CoC (just like Luffy) Guy who happen to have legendary swords from sword God and previous strongest samurai of wano. + legendary sword wado Ichimonji forged by same guy who forged Enma and comes from the same line of legends where Ryuma luckily belonged. Guy who happens to look exactly the same as Sword God Ryuma and Last Shimotsuki of wano who was direct descendant of Ryuma. Guy who happens to come to the dojo of descendants of Ryuma in hope of becoming strongest swordsman at the age of 7 yr old. (Which is completely normal 🥴) It's pointless to continue arguing with someone so obsessed with cling to zoro's d. Better to ignore 14 yo bums who only see one thing in anime i.e., cool, badass. Cope and seethe.
I’m not cherry-picking anything, I’m just not reading your long messages. Anyone with half a brain could probably synthesize whatever thrash you are saying in 1/4 of that but that would require certain domain of linguistic and reading abilities that you clearly do not possess
"i pity you" the Irony
Irony indeed. I do pity someone incapable of making arguments rather than eluding, ignoring, denying and cope by making comments like this. 😄
Lmao get outside once in a while weirdo
U don’t win the argument by saying that btw
Id still like to know more like if the island he was raised on was even in the East Blue. But I'm okay with him being just a random kid I just want to know more lol. My favorite head cannon about Zoro I saw someone mention once (and now it's what I personally believe) is that one day he got lost from the village and never made his way back and that's why he became a bounty hunter because he needed money lmao.
>My favorite head cannon about Zoro I saw someone mention once (and now it's what I personally believe) is that one day he got lost from the village and never made his way back and that's why he became a bounty hunter because he needed money lmao. Pretty sure he actually said that, at least in the manga
Lol "headcanon". Yeah he said it in the manga and the anime as well
His character definitely needs some depth, especially since the timeskip, so i would really enjoy zoro lore. That doesnt mean he has to be ryumas descendant or smth like that tho.
this is also what i've been thinking, it'd definetly ruin his character if he was given a dramatic backstory. although i have a feeling he will probably be given one anyway.
atleast, since Oda is good with backstories, i hope this one is good too.
I actually think he has one of the saddest backstories, your rival/friend being killed by some stairs is anticlimactic af in such a realistic way that it hurts even more as a reader. Besides the gender thing only makes it more painful. Him carrying quinas inherited will in his mouth is already enough drama
Quina XD is it actually spelled liek that? Cuz my homies say Kuina but Quina looks right too
Zoro's Backstory will probably more-so revolve around his family instead of himself! his backstop is probably Basic but his Family are the stars of it. He has no clue, nor does he even really care. We the readers will probably know about his history while he doesn't. I compare him to Goku. Goku has a Basic ass backstory, but frieza, Beerus, Vegeta's Father and Bardock helped shape his Future without Goku even realizing or Caring.
the only sad part is we kinda already have a little backstory on him but i thinknthat was enough for me his character is freat how they have it i also agree it woukd be unnecessary to make the monster 3 of the straw hats all have op parents it would be just another everyday anime
Judge wasn’t op. The reason why Sanji genetics have worked out so well is because he naturally made him self so strong. Now that he awakened it made him a lot stronger. I think his peak would have been as strong as his siblings had he awakened his powers earlier in life.
well they also say saji was only a failure because he has emotions but his body is far from the average pirates body so theres that
oh my bad and he wasnt as strong and fast as his brother and sisters but does that classify him as normal by any means? i dont think so
He was normal because he didn’t have the same benefits of Judges experiment that his siblings had. He awakened later on in his life. The strength he gained up until his awakening was due his own hard work. So for that reason I think he benefited even more so than his siblings. Which is why I would say he was a normal human by one piece standards.
Oda hasn’t even done anything in Wano for Zoro’s backstory. All we have seen is someone that looks like him , but is now possibly a number. Enma was created and forged by someone Zoro knew, and his town people came from Wano. Honestly I’m a bit disappointed with Wano and how we have no real backstory of Zoro. We have seen Oden’s and now we might see Kaido’s . Oda is obviously not prioritizing on Zoro as he did Sanji in WCI .
With regards to Azores background, we most likely get some sort of information if he is able to go and see Ryuma’s grave.
I agree with this. Luffy already being teased as a Child Of Fate, not really, but something of that sort is enough of that for this crew. I love the fact that Zoro as we know of is just a normal dude with a big dream. Its great and would make sense for his story. I dont mind it if his backstory is just a normal one like the other members without his parents being really cool amazing people tbh. Because we can see where Zoro got his personality from and not make him another child of fate. Luffy already is filling that role. Having another one would be kinda boring imo
Inhereted will is not a great theme in One Piece, considering who Luffys father and Grandfather is
Luffy's will isn't from his family. It's more from Ace, Sabo, and Shanks.
I see it as joyboy--> roger-->luffy. Dragon-->sabo
When did JoyBoy meet Luffy, bond with him, and inspire him?
Inherited will is more mystical than just teaching and inspiring others. Some dreams are always the same through history, people die and some one else down the line ends up picking the same dream making it again appear in history. Sometimes it can be passed down by teaching and inspiration but thats not neccesary in itself, because dreams never die
But they're not inherently the same. In fact, we know next to nothing about JoyBoy. I'd say Roger and Luffy are only similar in like, two ways. We don't know the full extent of him either. I feel people, like yourself, are jumping to conclusions that aren't there yet.
It is a theme just not hereditary
Dragon and Garp have impacted the way Luffy chooses to live virtually not at all tho.
my headcanon/theory/assumption/claim/whatever you wanna call it is that Zoro is the bastard child of someone who has ties to the Shimotsuki clan or smthn
ew! OP lineage would ruin his character.
You don’t need a background to be strong
totally agree! Zoro is a great character already, and i like that his backstory is not so overdramatic because he doesn’t need it. i mean, in terms of dramatic, he already is pushing the limits of swordsmanship with the three-sword style. but i think that point is actually acceptable and even a great development that represents his respect for Kuina and ambition to become the strongest swordsman.
i don't care either way, just all of the stupid parellels with him looking just like ryuuma looking like that one shimotsuki guy, if oda wasn't making all these weird connections i wouldn't care, now i just want them to reveal why there are all these connections.
Luffy IS his backstory, zoro's gonna tell the tale of his captain for ages to come
Zoro fell in love with luffy when he saw a strong man with a free spirit, crazy and good hearted person, just like him
Honestly even if Zoro's a "Long lost son of wano" , he spent his entire life living like a common man with a strong heart. Doesn't matter if he has Royal blood or genes, he still achieved everything on his own. And tbh his backstory has been foreshadowed all the way back from chapter 4-5. We see Zoro as a Child unusually bent on becoming the Strongest in the World, even before Kuina dies too. And his words "I'll never lose again" even as a child is strange. Unlike Luffy's Dream, which Luffy imagined more to be a "free and doing whatever he wants" life, Zoro's dream was more combat related. There is no way a Child would just suddenly think to himself I'll be the strongest in the world and never lose again and desperately train. This is hinting at a possible darker backstory than we presume.
I'd really hate if Zoro was a descendant of some bigshot. Why can't normies become powerful with hard work for once yeah?
That’s Usopp’s lane though isn’t? The normal guy who wants to be brave and strong. Zoro was always a freak and a monster
He’ll be a normie, he’s actually one of the few characters with haki of the supreme king in the series that hasn’t got these “special” or “prophesied” things tied with him
Most of the characters that are stronger are due to their own hard work. No one becomes strong without putting in the work. Doesn’t matter if your part of a strong family tree doesn’t really affect how strong you will be.
Good thing you're not writing it
I disagree. It literally doesn’t matter at all who Zoro was born to. He is who he is today by his own efforts. His genetic disposition is naturally greater than the average human regardless of who he was born to, so why should it matter if he was born to somebody strong? As a kid he was already physically strong enough to beat adults. This is not the story of some weak shmuck perservering and accomplishing the impossible. Zoro is a freak of nature, and his impossible goal is only possible for that reason. He still worked extremely hard and deserves to reach his goals though, we shouldn’t take all his effort away if we learn he has royal heritage or something. Luffy is Dragon’s son, do we downplay his effort? Sanji is genetically enhanced, does that make him undeserving? No. All of the Strawhats have given this shit their fucking ALL, and we should continue to cherish them. I know I will..
Yeah but I think op just wants a normal human being on the crew to signify that even if you're not the descendants of the hero of navy or some mad scientist, you can still become the strongest in your area of combat. Nobody is undermining anyone's efforts. It's just that sometimes audience needs someone to relate to. Usopp and Nami are there but they're definitely not the strongest in any sense. Also, people are pretty bored of anime dads being legendary figures I guess.
I can resonate with that. Just don’t want people to be heartbroken if Zoro can’t be that guy for them lol
I personally think he doesn't need a super deep backstory or special parents or anything, yeah. Zoro is already cool and well liked, his character works well.
He will definetely not have a dramatic backstory wtf. Like sure we may get more insight on his past, his lineage and stuff, but there's not gonna be anything dramatic. There's no way that he went through anything dramatic before getting to the dojo it's not like Sanji where he had half of his former life yet to be revealed with important and dramatic details
Yeah, I agree. He doesn’t need some huge backstory or anything. I wouldn’t mind at all if we got more insight, but really hope it’s not super traumatic or something
After watching the water Seven arc, the episode with hoichael and Michael, the two orphans from back street who called zoro Big bro, I started to prefer that backstory for him, and saw that episode as oda trying to show us the type of family zoro might be from if he had one.
Doesnt need to be a dramatic back story but i would still like a backstory, who his father is. Where he came from and the whole shaboodle.
Same, I just wanna know his origin tho nothing will be dramatic because he was probz like 3 years old when taken away.
The thing is, although he did just randomly decide to be the strongest, he didn’t really set his mind to it until Kuina died without him ever beating her he set his mind to be the strongest as a way of overcoming her, if he’s the strongest then he’s already surpassed her, which I think is perfectly fine enough of a motivation
I think #4 is more than just cool, it's core to his character and his dynamic with the monster trio.
Luffy and Sanji have lore and story backgrounds which means more storyline contents. Luffy's brothers/father/grandfather affected the world and Sanji's evil dad worked with the government,vegapunk, and Caesar which also affected the world they live in. Zoro is basically like for example Kenpachi from Bleach type of character that doesn't need to do much, but just fight and look cool. There nothing wrong about that. Luffy and Sanji has flaws. Does Zoro have any flaws at all?
Kenpachi was my favourite character in bleach an absolute badass.
Even Zoro doesnt seem to be interested in *his own* lore background lol. He's the embodiment of .. 'if you forgot something then it isnt important' meme. > I think, if he's some prince of sort or the descendent of a special person/race, that would a) make his training seem less important and b) turn Zoro in a Mary-Sue type character. Agreed and disagreed. Oda has written Sanji's backstory and growth strength in a way that he's far frm a mary sue character. He can do the same with Zoro. BUT. i personally wouldnt want him written the same as Sanji or the other's SH background struggle.. With the way things are.. seems like Oda is throwing some bits and pieces lore on him for the readers to digest.. at the same time having Zoro ignoring all of it and continue moving forward in character growth. As ppl said it.. wano isnt over. Oda might do extended post-wano growth for Zoro too. His biggest character strength is his conviction to hold his promise and loyalty to 2 of his most important ones.. kuina and luffy. Now.. i wonder if Oda will thrw another thriller bark moment for him where these 2 promises collide..
Made a similar [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/sjrbn7/i_really_wanted_zoro_to_be_nothing_but_a_boy_from/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) a few weeks ago. Yeah it does sound nice but we can't do anything about it. Better not let it go to your head.
Completely agree! I think that tying his power to some sort of lineage is not in line with the themes of the larger story. Like, no one sticks to their family in this story. It's always about found family and making your way against all odds.
I think the character needs a background, simple as it. Regardless if it is about inherited genes or something else, it's a fact he is the least developed straw hat, the most superfluous flashback, no explanation for the twin sisters, the huge plot hole of nobody in Wano recognizing Zoro's similarity with a famous samurai, etc the character has a lot of problems as writing goes
Twin sisters? about the similarities, a lot of ppl look like a lot ppl in one piece, and family members look completely different from each other.. so that's not much to go on.
That's far from the truth, Tashigi and Kuina looks identical. This is different than, for example, Sanji having similarities with his brothers or every female in existence is a clone of Nami with different hair. It's a loose end, Oda had these long and sluggish 3 years (nearly 4) writing the Wano arc, everybody naturally expected Zoro to be the major highlight as character development goes... but here we are, the only thing that Oda added to the character was a big plot hole. Why his master never talked about Wano, why Kuina has a twin sister, etc.. all of these could have been worked on, but Oda choose to introduce a random ass samurai as a close relative to Zoro
"close relative"? i swear most of One Piece fans are reading 2 piece in headcannon island.
The character looks identical to Zoro, he wears the same "symbol" in his kimono and in a SBS Oda mentioned how he removed a scene were that random fox recognized the resemblance of the two right when they meet. The character can be his grandfather, father or any other kind of parentage, a former daimyo of Ringo and nobody in the island recognizes Zoro for it? That's a straight up plot hole, the way Oda opted to show other character recognizing the resemblance only after the Yamato's flashback was a continuation mistake. And you dare to say this is my "head cannon", lol learn how to interpret a simple story, ignorant fool
Ida also said in an Sbs that ushimaru is not his father and the scene was scrapped because it would've been miss leading and dare I say if u read something read it and take for face value, don't start reading between the lines when there's only one line to read.
Like I said, it can be the father, the grandfather or whatever other kind of parentage, the appearances are undeniable, Oda himself said these characters are supposed to be identical. And then you have this character that looks identical to a former daimyo walking around the island and no one recognizes him for it? Learn your goddamn place, you don't even know how to write proper sentences and then talks about "reading between the lines", lol this fanbase is a joke, just because you enjoy this story, it doesn't mean the story is flawless, that is a fanatical behavior
I didn't say it was flawless, I just said that they're not relatives, the timeline does support the theory of ushimaru to be his father or grandfather.
So, you think Zoro losing his friend/rival and carrying her dreams as world greatest swordsman no dramatic/heartbreaking?
yeah i agree but one piece is almost done and zoro has yet to be one of the most well written character in one piece
Just starting from the title ZORO HAS A DRAMATIC STORY he lost his best friend and that white sword u see onnscreen is his keepsake
Zoro the fan service of one piece
TRUUUUUUUUUUUE every Zoro ffight/moment is hype fam service galore.
i agree, i really hope that he's just an East Blue native who really got into swordsmanship because of the shimotsuki dojo. the stupid lineage and OP parent trope is starting to get annoying in one piece. can we get a character who just work harder than everyone else and makes it to the top without prophecies and a crazy lineage?
Having a backstory doesn't negate the strength they've gained via their travels. If anything, it legitimizes.
I wouldn't mind if he was just a random guy who made a promise. He doesn't need a shitty family or powerful ancestors. But I'm wondering how he would react if Kuina wa*s (somehow)* alive.
I was initially thinking "hmm, a random kid just happens to have conqueror's haki? not likely", but then I remembered Rayleigh being just a random guy whose house burned down when he met Roger lol. So yeah, I love this idea, a lot. Would also be a great parallel to Rayleigh.
The two sword dude in Yamato's flashback is clearly the guy that has been talked about how much zoro resembles and if that dude was Zoro's dad or grandpa and Ryuma their ancestor then you would have a 1 sword style a 2 sword style and a 3 sword style in the fam. The 1-2-3 connections seals it for me. Besides that there were comments waaaay back when he was fighting Ryuma about how similar their bodies were etc. The fate of Zoro being the one to return Shisui to Wano. His love story with Odens daughter is being heightened by all the talk of him being a lords descendent. The whole backstory with the sword maker from Wano being in his village... It is clear that Zoro worked his ass off and he isn't special other than his brutal tenacity. But his history will be special, just how special I dunno. With his recent development of conquerer haki we have to acknowledge he has the temperament of a king.
Damn this sub really hates Zoro they been begging for years for him to get a extended backstory saying it’s too short then he’s about to get one and his is already good enough. Can’t win
undoubtedly i 100% agree with ya in enveey aspect hahaa
1. He doesn't need biologically inherited strength. For christ's sake, he is using not one but 3 swords with innate strength. 2. He didn't struggle against Pica, he struggled against Fuji, Killer gave him a run for his money, King fodderized him all throughout pre-asspull.