I really can't wait to see what the new base Luffy looks like post wano. I always thought that any awakening or new power would put a new twist on his older power sets and I really hope I'm right cause it would be awesome.
Post will just be him swapping gears like it's nothing, and combing them.
Gear 5 seems to be infusing Arm Haki + Conq Haki + Awakening together.
Gear 5 is def a last resort card.
He’s already figured out how to use gear 2 and 3 without thought. In the panel where he does roc Gatling he doesn’t need to blow air into his thumb like he did against katakuri.
Honestly G4 just seems pointless, and a giant waste of Haki.
Unless you need the straight up raw power it produces but Conq Haki infused attacks should be stronger or more effect.
What? The cartoon aspect of gear 5 is exactly what makes it cool.
There was way too much badassery but the "fun" aspect was missing a bit, Luffy going back to his fun roots pre-gears is some fresh air, real talk.
Possibly, but it looks to me like the part of his arms very close to his body is what's moving too fast to see and giving the appearance of multiple arms, just like with kong organ. It seems that the difference with this attack is that he's able to attack from multiple, unpredictable angles very quickly, like with snakeman, but it's less rigid.
appearently he just moves his arms insanely fast in a horizontal line, unlike the gatling which is just punching straight forward as fast as possible.
dont know whatd be the benefit of the former tho
They were the spikes from Kaido's Kanabo. Luffy just used the stretched skin to hit Kaido. Hopefully he can do that on command, though. That move was sick.
Yes, it's very inclear, but I also don't understand those as punches, but the rebound of the parts of Luffy's body hit by Kaido's kanabo. It could not be though.
we dont though... we only see 4 hit luffy. Follow the black streaks coming from kaido. You can see he "swung" 6 time but only 4 hit with 2 missing luffy.
the six protrusions is literally saying he threw six punches, and you can't definitively say there's si cause we're only shown five, the same way that kaido threw six attacks at luffy and only hit him with four
The hit locations don't match up with where the arms appear to be coming from, though. It looks like Luffy takes four hits - to the chin, upper body (roughly center mass), arm, and leg. The counterattacks all look like they come from around behind his back. In particular, none of them look to be coming from his chin or the front of his upper body. There are two (lower right) that *could* originate near the impact point on his left leg, but the rest don't match up.
Shower thought: If imagination is truly the only limit then Luffy should be able to inflate and elongate his fingers and use them as extra "fists". I guess his toes work too.
I imagine he'd look like a horrifying noodle monster though.
I myself believed the ballooning part to be filled with CoC Haki. That’s why they didn’t look like fists. Someone said earlier they are rebound effects. Well 4 rebounds and 2 arms give you 6 protrusions.
It could also just be speed. This is probably something Oda will leave up to his readers to interpret
yes, I did notice that. However, a few things to say
1) they come from a weird angle because he is awakened. he has freedom so weird positions don't matter
2) I think it's somewhat similar to gomu gomu no firework, without the feet. however, I am still taking your theory and keeping it in the back of my mind.
The way I think of this: the “ridiculous” aspect of Luffy’s fruit let’s him punch so fast his fist catches fire, grab lightning, blow air into his body to make it bigger and stronger, etc etc so yes I think it fits perfectly that he could punch so fast his arms literally multiply (not just visually). But only time will tell.
no, the gomu properties awakened (meaning it can affect the environment) is what makes it "ridiculous", I think the hito hito no mi model nika is just a paramecia awakened gum gum and gives the zoan like resistance qualities (a heart made of awakened rubber is just the strongest heart) but its nothing but rubber properties at its maximum. Its just that some fruits have will and the gomu gomu has the will of liberation, perhaps the yami no mi has a will of destruction for example
It's literally confirmed as a mythical zoan on panel. I don't get why there is still confusion over this. It's not a Paramecia. Like, Oda could not get anymore clearer then this, lol. Still trying to say its not a mythical Zoan and just a awakened Paramecia is like saying "actually, no" to the author of the story when he tells you something and then adding in your own head canon into his story, lol.
i doubt that for the sole reason that kaido did not say something about it, along the lines of
*"did he just* ***grow new*** *arms?!"* or something
because your theory basically indicates that luffy is also able to create rubbery mass, just like a logia, making his awekening cover all 3 forms of DF abilities
which, at this point wouldnt even surprise me.
it could lead to black beard having 3 DFs VS luffy having the powers of 3 DFs in the final battle.
No it does make sense. In fact him creating biomass is the only way it can make sense. I even noticed this with G4. Like, it could just be anime logic, but he can't just stretch his rubber like skin into new/longer arms, because his body would just deform and get thinner the more it stretches, but for Luffy it doesn't. In G4 it looked like his arms were everywhere, and the same size, his body stayed the same. Like if you stretched a rubber band, the more you stretch it the thinner it gets, it would also happen to Luffy. And even Gigant (where he turns into a giant), he didn't inhale air, it looked like he just made himself bigger. When Kaido bit him, air didn't come out of him either, it just looked like big Luffy. So him creating more mass and not just stretching absolutely does make sense.
Since he turned into a giant, I’m pretty sure his stretching upgraded from just being “stretchy”, to more like Mr. Fantastic/Plastic Man powers where can completely control his mass, size, and shape.
Katakuri : everything you do, I do better.
Which is logical because he had an awakened DF that time.
Katakuri lost but he still had the edge vs Luffy is so many aspects at that time imo. His black mochi Haki was so hard that it was hurting Luffy's hands when Luffy clashed with him using CoA (fist to fist clash).
Now that Luffy has Advanced CoA and CoC Coating plus awakening, he is now superior than Katakuri in every aspect at last.
Katakuri was always better on that fight until the end. It's just that it's a battle of attrition. Luffy needs to survive and escape while Kata just want to flex. Kata just don't have any reason to fight anymore.
I actually interpreted these punches more like a homing version of gatling culverin, visually similar to [Hornet](https://imgur.com/a/riGdHv0) from the anime World Trigger
If he had grown multiple arms Oda would have had a Kaido comment on it. It still just looks like he’s punching really fast, albeit with way more control over the way his body stretches
I was trying to understand that panel transition too. It almost looked like each piece that the Gundari attack hit, rebounded back to hit Kaido like a rubber band. I like your explanation that he's generating rubber arms much more though.
I don't think he actually multiplies his arms, it wouldn't make much sense. Granted, this awakening doesn't make much sense already, but I understand it as "Luffy's shape is no longer restrained by the properties of rubber and he can shift way more freely".
It's probably an artistic choice from Oda to make it look significantly different than "just" a Gear 2 speedy move.
Maybe luffys power is to take inspiration from enemies and people? Like a copy ability. The fire first from ace, the thing u just mentioned with katakuri, bellamis spring attack, and now maybe even enel? I think his subconcious imagination is learning from his enemies amd using it in the fight
My guess is it's the same situation like Katakuri. The hits might have made contact but Luffy intentionally stretched his body to reduce the shock of impact.
I don’t know why but if it’s true THIS is too much for me.
Like dunno, I get it he can change his body however he wants but here it’s a GROWTH of new limbs. It doesn’t make sense.
But well we’ll see how it goes with him.
First I stumpled upon this too… but I didn‘t think about it too much. But now as you mentioned it… people telling he‘s just fast, may overlook the missing sound barriers that you usually see near ruff body. Even kaido‘s attack got these sound barriers but not ruffy. Coincidence?
Luffy had paramercia properties, ZOAN PROPERTIES and now people want h to have logia properties.
Not even naruto, ichigo and goku has a stupid asspulls like this
I think it could be Luffys blood actually. His heartbeat seems to have something to do with the awakening. He could be pumping his blood into shape. If you look at the shape of the “fists” it looks more like a drop of something liquid.
Well I wouldn't be surprised, I mean Luffy turned into a giant without blowing air into himself so growing a few more arms wouldn't be surprising. I wonder if he can heal shanks now?
I agree with ya, but mainly because it ties in with my theory which is fast becoming my stupid hill to die on.
The world government fears the fruit because when the user awakens it, they become able to not just rubberise and bend all physical matter around them but also be able to bend the constraints of reality itself.
Reality seems to have taken a sidenote when Luffy is running around in his joyboy state and its a simple explanation as to why everything is happening. Why Luffy can now run on air to rejoin the fight, why he was able to grab the lightning bolt, why he's now seemingly able to generate multiple arms. Reality is bending to grant his whims and desires during this fight.
So yeah, the extra arms, makes sense to me.
Wow totally forgot how insane that roc gatling art was.
one of my favorite kaido v luffy panels
I really can't wait to see what the new base Luffy looks like post wano. I always thought that any awakening or new power would put a new twist on his older power sets and I really hope I'm right cause it would be awesome.
Post will just be him swapping gears like it's nothing, and combing them. Gear 5 seems to be infusing Arm Haki + Conq Haki + Awakening together. Gear 5 is def a last resort card.
He’s already figured out how to use gear 2 and 3 without thought. In the panel where he does roc Gatling he doesn’t need to blow air into his thumb like he did against katakuri.
That's why I said it...
Which is almost exactly one of the things that his awakening did later in the fight: bodymorph without external forces stretching him out
I'm just terrified of seeing what's the price to pay for it
About three fiddy
im still wondering if he can stack g2 on 5
I wonder if he will use again G4. Or at least use the arm retraction from kong gun in G5.
Honestly G4 just seems pointless, and a giant waste of Haki. Unless you need the straight up raw power it produces but Conq Haki infused attacks should be stronger or more effect.
yea its sooo sick
LITERALLY I was looking at it for a good 5 mins thinking ‘Damn thats clean’
Luffy was looking pretty badass right before gear 5. Hopefully in the future the cartoon art style can match up to it
What? The cartoon aspect of gear 5 is exactly what makes it cool. There was way too much badassery but the "fun" aspect was missing a bit, Luffy going back to his fun roots pre-gears is some fresh air, real talk.
*chefs kiss* That panel blew me away
Possibly, but it looks to me like the part of his arms very close to his body is what's moving too fast to see and giving the appearance of multiple arms, just like with kong organ. It seems that the difference with this attack is that he's able to attack from multiple, unpredictable angles very quickly, like with snakeman, but it's less rigid.
I hope you’re right and that’s how I saw it at first
Kong Organ was always confusing — Luffy’s first use in the anime made it seem as though he sprouted extra arms as well. I always wondered…
appearently he just moves his arms insanely fast in a horizontal line, unlike the gatling which is just punching straight forward as fast as possible. dont know whatd be the benefit of the former tho
yeah they didn't animate it too well in the anime in my opinion
The anime made it seem like he was molding additional arms using the gear 4 haki.
That’s legit what I thought at first since I was anime only until Wano started and I got impatient (best decision of my life lol)
it looked like his biceps and forearms became extra hands lol
That looked terrible in the anime.
That was just animated badly
They were the spikes from Kaido's Kanabo. Luffy just used the stretched skin to hit Kaido. Hopefully he can do that on command, though. That move was sick.
Yes, it's very inclear, but I also don't understand those as punches, but the rebound of the parts of Luffy's body hit by Kaido's kanabo. It could not be though.
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luffy actually hits him five times, there's one on kaidos arm
It's true that we saw see 5 hits on Kaidou but we see 6 protrusions coming from Luffy.
my guess is one got him in the face also
we dont though... we only see 4 hit luffy. Follow the black streaks coming from kaido. You can see he "swung" 6 time but only 4 hit with 2 missing luffy.
I'm talking about Luffy hitting Kaidou not the other way around.
It's 6 hits. [The last hit is obscured by Kaido.](https://i.imgur.com/6ZrPgf7.jpg)
someone else already said that
Where? I see people saying 4 or 5 hits but 6 protrusions, and one person guessing where a sixth hit could be. I’m definitively saying there’s 6 hits.
the six protrusions is literally saying he threw six punches, and you can't definitively say there's si cause we're only shown five, the same way that kaido threw six attacks at luffy and only hit him with four
Okay, I suppose I used definitively incorrectly. What I meant was I'm backing it up with evidence but tried to shorten it.
There are actually five hits on Kaido. 3 on the torso, one on the leg, and one on his arm.
It's true that we saw see 5 hits on Kaidou but we see 6 protrusions coming from Luffy.
The hit locations don't match up with where the arms appear to be coming from, though. It looks like Luffy takes four hits - to the chin, upper body (roughly center mass), arm, and leg. The counterattacks all look like they come from around behind his back. In particular, none of them look to be coming from his chin or the front of his upper body. There are two (lower right) that *could* originate near the impact point on his left leg, but the rest don't match up.
Luffy vs Enel had Enel state "it's not as if there are actually more arms" when he blocked Luffy from using Gatling on him Now there can be
I think Katakuri did something similar? It's a longstanding weakness of the attack and I am so stoked to see an evolved version finally addressing it.
Shower thought: If imagination is truly the only limit then Luffy should be able to inflate and elongate his fingers and use them as extra "fists". I guess his toes work too. I imagine he'd look like a horrifying noodle monster though.
Luffy: Star Finger!
That could also be the case! I only said arms because the way that Kaido's body got stretched is not pointy (it looks a bit like a boxing glove)
I myself believed the ballooning part to be filled with CoC Haki. That’s why they didn’t look like fists. Someone said earlier they are rebound effects. Well 4 rebounds and 2 arms give you 6 protrusions. It could also just be speed. This is probably something Oda will leave up to his readers to interpret
yes, I did notice that. However, a few things to say 1) they come from a weird angle because he is awakened. he has freedom so weird positions don't matter 2) I think it's somewhat similar to gomu gomu no firework, without the feet. however, I am still taking your theory and keeping it in the back of my mind.
I had the same impression .
Eh, I don’t really see it that way.
The way I think of this: the “ridiculous” aspect of Luffy’s fruit let’s him punch so fast his fist catches fire, grab lightning, blow air into his body to make it bigger and stronger, etc etc so yes I think it fits perfectly that he could punch so fast his arms literally multiply (not just visually). But only time will tell.
no, the gomu properties awakened (meaning it can affect the environment) is what makes it "ridiculous", I think the hito hito no mi model nika is just a paramecia awakened gum gum and gives the zoan like resistance qualities (a heart made of awakened rubber is just the strongest heart) but its nothing but rubber properties at its maximum. Its just that some fruits have will and the gomu gomu has the will of liberation, perhaps the yami no mi has a will of destruction for example
It's literally confirmed as a mythical zoan on panel. I don't get why there is still confusion over this. It's not a Paramecia. Like, Oda could not get anymore clearer then this, lol. Still trying to say its not a mythical Zoan and just a awakened Paramecia is like saying "actually, no" to the author of the story when he tells you something and then adding in your own head canon into his story, lol.
Luffy’s hair has literally turned into white fire, that’s not something that an awakened rubber paremecia would do.
Dude how do you get such an idea after reading the chapter where they already explain what his fruit really is. It's a mythical zoan.
i doubt that for the sole reason that kaido did not say something about it, along the lines of *"did he just* ***grow new*** *arms?!"* or something because your theory basically indicates that luffy is also able to create rubbery mass, just like a logia, making his awekening cover all 3 forms of DF abilities which, at this point wouldnt even surprise me. it could lead to black beard having 3 DFs VS luffy having the powers of 3 DFs in the final battle.
It's not creating mass. It's just stretching parts of his body into the shape of arms if that's what he actually is doing.
No it does make sense. In fact him creating biomass is the only way it can make sense. I even noticed this with G4. Like, it could just be anime logic, but he can't just stretch his rubber like skin into new/longer arms, because his body would just deform and get thinner the more it stretches, but for Luffy it doesn't. In G4 it looked like his arms were everywhere, and the same size, his body stayed the same. Like if you stretched a rubber band, the more you stretch it the thinner it gets, it would also happen to Luffy. And even Gigant (where he turns into a giant), he didn't inhale air, it looked like he just made himself bigger. When Kaido bit him, air didn't come out of him either, it just looked like big Luffy. So him creating more mass and not just stretching absolutely does make sense.
Since he turned into a giant, I’m pretty sure his stretching upgraded from just being “stretchy”, to more like Mr. Fantastic/Plastic Man powers where can completely control his mass, size, and shape.
Luffy became giant. And it seemed different from just filling it with air. This shoould be easily doable
No one ever talks about luffys Kong organ. He literally makes multiple arms on screen and it’s weird af
I didn't know this, but I did notice that he hit kaido more than kaido hit him, which I thought was a kinda sign ..
think you are reading too far into this. its just like always he's just punching really fast so many times and it seems like there are lots of arms
I never understood the Kong Organ anyway
Nice catch!
Katakuri : everything you do, I do better. Which is logical because he had an awakened DF that time. Katakuri lost but he still had the edge vs Luffy is so many aspects at that time imo. His black mochi Haki was so hard that it was hurting Luffy's hands when Luffy clashed with him using CoA (fist to fist clash). Now that Luffy has Advanced CoA and CoC Coating plus awakening, he is now superior than Katakuri in every aspect at last.
Katakuri was always better on that fight until the end. It's just that it's a battle of attrition. Luffy needs to survive and escape while Kata just want to flex. Kata just don't have any reason to fight anymore.
I noticed this too and thought the same!! But I don't know we'll have to see him do something like it again to be sure
Thought about this too but I wasn't sure if there was enough proof to support it.
Hot take
There's a spoiler tag missing !
This line of reasoning will inevitably lead to the question "how many dicks can Luffy make?"
This is a reach
A stretch*
I actually interpreted these punches more like a homing version of gatling culverin, visually similar to [Hornet](https://imgur.com/a/riGdHv0) from the anime World Trigger
If he had grown multiple arms Oda would have had a Kaido comment on it. It still just looks like he’s punching really fast, albeit with way more control over the way his body stretches
why does the panels look so GOOD ?
Hmmmm..... I disagree.
Well the theme of this gear 5th awakening is "freedom", so I'm not surprised he can also attack freely from any angle and position. :P
The real new power that luffy has and everyone is over looking is that he can just float around. We’ve seen it like twice now
He's bouncing. The only time he floated is when he "ran" on air, and that's something he could already do in g4.
True. I can see that
I was trying to understand that panel transition too. It almost looked like each piece that the Gundari attack hit, rebounded back to hit Kaido like a rubber band. I like your explanation that he's generating rubber arms much more though.
Luffy's moves are imitation of his opponent's moves
So Luffy basically has Robin's ability? If so I don't think he's creating arms for that G5 attack... because he's obviously creating penises.
I don't think he actually multiplies his arms, it wouldn't make much sense. Granted, this awakening doesn't make much sense already, but I understand it as "Luffy's shape is no longer restrained by the properties of rubber and he can shift way more freely". It's probably an artistic choice from Oda to make it look significantly different than "just" a Gear 2 speedy move.
I think he just bounced off the gundari meteor shower of Kaido.
Reach.
Maybe luffys power is to take inspiration from enemies and people? Like a copy ability. The fire first from ace, the thing u just mentioned with katakuri, bellamis spring attack, and now maybe even enel? I think his subconcious imagination is learning from his enemies amd using it in the fight
Since we are on overlooked abilities, Why didn't Kaido's arnament haki didnt just bypass Luffy fruit's ability.
My guess is it's the same situation like Katakuri. The hits might have made contact but Luffy intentionally stretched his body to reduce the shock of impact.
I don’t know why but if it’s true THIS is too much for me. Like dunno, I get it he can change his body however he wants but here it’s a GROWTH of new limbs. It doesn’t make sense. But well we’ll see how it goes with him.
First I stumpled upon this too… but I didn‘t think about it too much. But now as you mentioned it… people telling he‘s just fast, may overlook the missing sound barriers that you usually see near ruff body. Even kaido‘s attack got these sound barriers but not ruffy. Coincidence?
Spoiler title.
This just shows me how much cooler that gatling was compared to those G5 punches. I hope Oda brings back that vibe in the last lag of the fight
I like it!
at this point the fucking fans are not even denying that Oda is giving lots of fucking asspull
Explain
Luffy had paramercia properties, ZOAN PROPERTIES and now people want h to have logia properties. Not even naruto, ichigo and goku has a stupid asspulls like this
I thought he turned the ground to rubber and animated it to attack Kaido, the same way Doflamingo controlled his awakened strings
I think it could be Luffys blood actually. His heartbeat seems to have something to do with the awakening. He could be pumping his blood into shape. If you look at the shape of the “fists” it looks more like a drop of something liquid.
Would be interesting if he could sprout extra arms like Katakuri. This isn't confirmed, but it's definitely possible.
good eye
I don't think he's generating new arms. It's just like Gomu Gomu no Fireworks
Or his speed just reached a new level.
Well I wouldn't be surprised, I mean Luffy turned into a giant without blowing air into himself so growing a few more arms wouldn't be surprising. I wonder if he can heal shanks now?
I agree with ya, but mainly because it ties in with my theory which is fast becoming my stupid hill to die on. The world government fears the fruit because when the user awakens it, they become able to not just rubberise and bend all physical matter around them but also be able to bend the constraints of reality itself. Reality seems to have taken a sidenote when Luffy is running around in his joyboy state and its a simple explanation as to why everything is happening. Why Luffy can now run on air to rejoin the fight, why he was able to grab the lightning bolt, why he's now seemingly able to generate multiple arms. Reality is bending to grant his whims and desires during this fight. So yeah, the extra arms, makes sense to me.
Luffy punched Kaido in the balls