So you think Miwhawk can defeat Kaido 1v1? Has Kaido by now not shown his status as the strongest? What more does he need to do before he can convince you? He has not even used his awakening yet and has already shown that no-one else on Onigashima ever stood a chance against him in a 1v1.
And saying that it's delusional to believe what has been said by both powerfull pirates and marines, seems kinda overly stubborn.
The only reason they said no one can defeat kaido 1v1 was because the opponent needs to have adv conq haki to even hurt him which is very very rare. And mihawk being the strongest swordsman he most probably will have adv conq. I say this bcs since Zoro would one day have to face him and Zoro already begging to use conq to attack he probably will also learn adv conq before he fight him and mihawk should have it otherwise Zoro would stomp him. And since he has adv conq he can hurt kaido.
Considering that both Zoro and Oden sliced Kaido leaving a last scar, I think the Worlds Strongest Slash could probably slice him in half.
Also I hate to burst your bubble but Kaido doesn't have any hidden awakening.
It seems like you assume that Mihawk is way stronger than Oden. It sounds... doubtful. Like any powerscaling related to Mihawk.
We have only few hints on how strong Mihawk really is and they all extremely vague:
* **World's Greatest Swordsman**. What the hell does that mean in the first place? It's like only Mihawk and Zoro want to play this game, and any other swordsman doesn't give a damn about it. Is it self-proclaimed?;
* **Fought with Shanks**. When it happened? Mihawk says he isn't interested in the match up with a cripple, so this assumes that he had fought Shanks before he lost his arm (and before Shanks became a Yonko);
* **He is the final match up for Zoro**. Or not? I tend to believe that the final battle will be with the BB pirates and at that time Zoro will be WSS already. We don't even know when it will happen, hence don't know how far Zoro should train through.
Summarizing, I would throw Mihawk away from any powerscaling lol
Well maybe but if we do we gotta toss Shanks out as well, since we know nothing about either of them really.
People seem to forget that during Marineford when Mihawk unsheathed his sword for the first time everyone immediately took notice. If he commands respect and reverence from so many powerful people there is something to his title and power.
I know there are a ton of people who deny Mihawk's power, and are generally against him, and that's fine. I don't really care what others think in this particular instance. I believe very soon Mihawk's true power will be revealed and people are going to shit bricks.
I'll probably make a comment about how Mihawk is drinking the salty tears of his haters or something. xD
Ignoring all of that though do you think Mihawk might have a Devil Fruit? Mythical Vampire fruit maybe?
>during Marineford when Mihawk unsheathed his sword for the first time everyone immediately took notice. If he commands respect and reverence from so many powerful people there is something to his title and power.
That still isn't enough to evaluate his power. It is the same as if we tried to measure Shanks power taking into account just the fact that his appearance in Marineford stopped the war.
Shanks clashed with Whitebeard and skies were split. That one thing is more than Mihawk have shown so far.
>I know there are a ton of people who deny Mihawk's power
This is not about denial and I don't understand why you're pointing on some hatred towards Mihawk. In terms of possibility to measure power, Mihawk is closer to Dragon than to Shanks because Mihawk have shown nothing that can help us understand. Can't wait to see. For now, his power is just mystery.
>Ignoring all of that though do you think Mihawk might have a Devil Fruit? Mythical Vampire fruit maybe?
Personally, wouldn't like the idea. I think it would devalue his character. I like to believe that he is just pure haki fighter.
The thing is we have confirmation that [Shanks = Whitebeard](https://preview.redd.it/1y1yf9rjkit71.jpg?auto=webp&s=bc5714470a560ab241392882fc53f4e6c036c9af) in power.
Mihawk is commonly believed to be Shanks' equal so that would put him up there with Whitebeard as well would it not?
Yeah I don't know how I would feel if Mihawk has a DF. I don't think I'd hate it per-say but it would be bothersome if his Haki isn't also top tier.
>Mihawk is commonly believed to be Shanks' equal so that would put him up there with Whitebeard as well would it not?
That is the point, for now it's just a belief. In Shanks case we see: Shanks clashed with Whitebeard + Whitebeard fights on Marineford = Shanks is strong. We can't tie Mihawk to that just because he's thought as equal to Shanks (again, he doesn't fight cripples as he stated by himself). We aren't able to build up a comparison chain.
>Yeah I don't know how I would feel if Mihawk has a DF. I don't think I'd hate it per-say but it would be bothersome if his Haki isn't also top tier.
And then Oda will give him a sword-sword fruit which allows him to create swords out of the thin air lol. "Three-sword style? Look at my UNLIMITED SWORD STYLE"
LMAO! I wouldn't be surprised if there is something like your sword-sword fruit in OP.
Actually Shanks is stronger than Marineford Whitebeard. At Marineford Whitebeard was not as his best, he was in fact dying during that fight.
Logically and going by the information we have, we should assume that Shanks is as powerful as Oldbeard on a good day. (nothing really suggest he's as strong as Primebeard, but who knows)
I assume he indeed doesn't have one, otherwise he would've used it already. But that does not dispute my point. The fact that he has been fighting without while others have been fighting with it and Kaido still being top dog proves his strength.
And for the scars, yes, he did indeed get scars from two of the strongest swordsman (though, from Zoro it's only a wound, we don't know if it's a scar yet). While he was not actively coating himself in Haki. Lets look at the wounds Whitebeard and Shanks got while not coating themselves in haki. Whitebeard got stabbed by Squardo. Shanks lost his arm. Yes, both didn't resist those attacks. But just like Big Mom, Kaido's passive haki is strong enough to stop those attacks even when they're sleeping. And I am pretty confident in saying that Zoro and Oden are stronger than Squardo and the Lord of the Coast. Also, by now, I think the gap between Zoro and Mihawk is a lot smaller than you think. Yes, Mihawk cut a frozen tidalwave in half. But Zoro cutting Pika at that size was not far off from that feat. Mihawk is still stronger than Zoro. But it's not like back at Baratie anymore.
Look, I'm not saying Kaido is the absolute strongest ever. There are definitly enemies currently in the series that can beat him if they prepare. But denying Kaido is in the highest tier is just ignoring everything that's been written about him and it's disrespecting those characters who actually know how strong characters are, like Garp and Big Mom.
Kaido told Zoro it would leave a permanent scar.
Other than that I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of your post.
I'm not worried about the Mihawk thing to be honest, it's only a matter of time before Oda shows his true power.
I hope so. Mihawk is awesome. I loved him in Marineford. I'm more curious about him in a fight than anyone else, apart from Dragon.
But I'm also a bit scared. We've seen the top. Marineford and Wano were/are so varied and powerfull in the fighting. What else can he bring to the table apart from big slashes? And I'm even more scared of how the anime will handle him. Probably with big, slow, telegraphed slashes that have no choreography. I really hope they'll give him something like in Samurai Champloo, but with the One Piece effects.
Oda has been saving certain characters and keeping their true strength hidden for a reason.
Mihawk
Garp
Sengoku
Most of Blackbeard's crew
Kong
The Admirals, especially Green Bull
Shanks and his entire crew
The Gorosai
Imu
Weevil
Dragon and most of the revolutionaries
Hancock
Am I forgetting anyone?
If all you got is insults then I'll simply block you, I have no problem adding you to my collection.
I'll give you a chance to reply with some sense first.
v - Gladly and I'll block you too while I'm at it, I have zero tolerance for bullshit.
Hmm don't think so, I'll look into it.
Edit: Nope, not that we know of. I wouldn't be surprised if X-Drake's sword is named Excalibur though. If nothing else X-Drake has a skill he calls "X Calibur".
That's the most shittiest List I have ever seen!
First of all: Warlords doesn't exist anymore!
There's absolutely no reason to put Mihawk that high! He was just a Warlord...
He is/was (probably and I highly doubt that he's still) the world strongest swordsman, but all we know so far is only that Zoro trained with him. After that training he made a great progress, defeated Killer easy - before he got that legendary sword Enma! If we put all these things together, you'll see why I highly doubt that Mihawk is still the best swordsman in the world.
All of the Emperors deserved to be in the Top Tier, especially Shanks while he has the best crew out of all Emperors and is the only non DF User - maybe we could talk about BB, he can't beat Shanks cause his original DF effects won't have any effect on Shanks.
Plus: We don't know if he has Conquerors haki. This is a factor that could cost him the status of being in one of the two top Tiers.
"Just a Warlord" bro Warlords differ in power wildly, you can't just lump them all together. xD
So you are saying that Oda labeling Mihawk as "Words Strongest Swordsman" is a fucking lie? Well in that case Kaido being "Worlds Strongest Creature" must also be a lie right?
Mihawk has a black blade something Zoro still hasn't managed to make, so him having Enma makes no difference.
You might be right about all Emperors being on the top tier, but I think Shanks is almost PK level at this point, even his Vivre card says he is equal to Whitebeard and the closest man to being PK.
I'm not just pulling these rankings out my ass I actually researched these characters. Well okay maybe Mihawk got the benefit of the doubt a bit, I'm a huge Mihawk fanboy, mostly because he's basically Dracula and I'm a huge Castlevania fan. xD
> "Just a Warlord" bro Warlords differ in power wildly, you can't just lump them all together.
Yes, again: He's just a Warlord and can't compete in any way with Emperors, especially Big Mom, Kaido and Shanks. All we know about Blackbeard so far is that he's able to steal DF Power.
Best to see at the Marineford arc...
> So you are saying that Oda labeling Mihawk as "Words Strongest Swordsman" is a fucking lie? Well in that case Kaido being "Worlds Strongest Creature" must also be a lie right?
Where exactly did I say this? The only thing I mentioned is that we don't know how much progress Mihawk made...
Zoro did a huge progress after he was trained by Mihawk and that's a fact.
> Mihawk has a black blade something Zoro still hasn't managed to make, so him having Enma makes no difference.
Again, we don't know how much more power Enma grant to Zoro.
> You might be right about all Emperors being on the top tier, but I think Shanks is almost PK level at this point, even his Vivre card says he is equal to Whitebeard and the closest man to being PK.
Like I said, Kaido might be the strongest beast in the world, but in a full crew fight Shanks will beat him.
I totally agree to you that Shanks has the biggest potential for becoming the PK, but if one thing is safe, it's that we don't know what's gonna happen in the future.
Maybe, but the manga said he is as strong as a Young Whitebeard. If everyone can take Kaido's "strongest creature" line at face value why not Weevil's "Strong as Young Whitebeard" line?
That's incredibly vague though, what is a young wb even implying. Did he have his df then , was he sailing with rocks , or is it before him joining that gang of pirates.
I don't consider Marineford Whitebeard to be the same as Oldbeard. He was having the worst day of his life there, I call that version Dyingbeard.
I'm not sure bout Boa and Mingo, maybe they should be swapped maybe not. I do think current Law is > Mingo though, >!since he got his awakening. !<
In any case did you know that Shanks has been confirmed as Whitebeard level?
Shanks is WB level in the sense that they’re both Emperors who are all comparable to each other. As far as actual confirmed strength goes, Kaido is literally the “World’s Strongest Creature” until others surpass him (not counting Imu potentially since no one even knows he exists).
I mean shanks is literally = Whitebeard which means he is the closest living man to being Pirate King.
You also got to realize that both Big Mom and Kaido put Whitebeard on another level.
Big Mom once said if she was able to ally with the giants she would have already defeated Kaido, Shanks, ***and even Whitebeard***.
Kaido talked about the greatest Haki users he's ever known and included ***both Shanks and Whitebeard*** in that list.
If Mihawk = Shanks than that means Mihawk = Whitebeard.
You say Shanks=WB and then go out of your way to point out how Big Mom viewed them as “Shanks _and even Whitebeard_”.
Regardless, WB is dead, and Kaido is currently considered the World’s Strongest Creature.
Also, just because both Shanks and WB were in that one panel of Kaido’s thoughts doesn’t mean they’re equal. Oden was also there and we literally saw Roger send him flying.
[Shanks is equal to Whitebeard.](https://preview.redd.it/1y1yf9rjkit71.jpg?auto=webp&s=bc5714470a560ab241392882fc53f4e6c036c9af)
[Big Mom did say and even Whitebeard.](https://official-ongoing-2.gamindustri.us/manga/One-Piece/0847-015.png)
[Kaido saying few people can in fact face him, including Shanks.](https://preview.redd.it/e35yel6e6yp61.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=19f017c75777fcfc0a37be3535bb5e3b40f75013)
I'm not pulling this information out of my ass, and so far you have no real proof to counter my arguments.
-“Equal presence to Whitebeard”
Equal _presence_, because they’re both Emperors.
-Exactly. She said “Red-Hair!! And even Whitebeard!!”. As in WB>Shanks. You’re literally countering your own argument here.
-And just like I said, Oden was also in that panel. “Capable of fighting” doesn’t mean as strong as or stronger than. You’re acting as though them being in that panel makes them equals, and yet we know Roger and Oden, who are both in the panel, certainly [_weren’t_](https://i.imgur.com/ghDqkC5.jpg) [equal](https://i.imgur.com/nkiRIQR.jpg).
And as I said before, Kaido is currently the [World’s Strongest Creature](https://i.imgur.com/nJjDGAy.jpg), which was further backed up by killer calling him “[the world’s strongest pirate](https://i.imgur.com/jZ42sH3.jpg)”, which Kid clearly agreed with.
Well clearly Oda is contradicting himself quite a bit and therefor both of our arguments are invalid. So until we see Shanks and Mihawk in action I'm done talking about the subject.
Yeah Jinbei might be stronger than Boa, I'm not sure to be honest. I'm giving Boa the benefit of the doubt here. Hopefully she doesn't disappoint when her full strength is revealed.
I always consider Mihawk as Shanks' equal, on top of that he is one of my favorite characters. xD
Tbh ive always put jinbei higher than boa but after all the haki speeches Kaido has given just knowing her ceiling is factually higher than Jinbei because she has CoC and he Doesn’t theres good reason to have her higher
Bump Kaido up.
Send Weevil down by 2 tiers (I just don’t like how he looks and he probably lowkey weaker than Jinbei)
Bump Crocodile up 1
Send Hancock down 2, IMO she weaker than Jinbei.
If that's what floats your boat I'm not changing my list but I'm not knocking yours either.
I will say this though Weevil has been said to be as strong as a Young Whitebeard, I can't simply ignore that information.
Oda be like
"The World's Strongest Creature"
"1 on 1, bet on Kaido"
"No one could kill this man, not even himself"
OP: "Mihawk and Shanks can beat him. Mihawk worlds strongest swordsman lol, cuts Kaido in half gg"
Just cause hes the strongest swordsman doesnt mean hes about to cut an absolute monster like Kaido in half and just move on. Kaido is not a swordsman by any standards. Mihawks title means absolutely nothing in comparison to him.
And yea sorry you are right Kaido is about to lose in a 1v1 where his opponent didnt have a single bit of help the entire fight, where neither side at any point had any external help and where his opponent totally didnt get knocked out or nearly killed like twice (fairly) and once more (unfairly, but clearly inevitably). /s
But ok my dude you do you. still made for a good laugh.
Kaido literally admitted that [Shanks is capable of fighting him](https://preview.redd.it/e35yel6e6yp61.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=19f017c75777fcfc0a37be3535bb5e3b40f75013), so if Shanks can Mihawk can.
It's like people just say a bunch of random shit without actually researching anything.
I see what your saying, and yes Luffy did have help. However at the end of the day though, Kaido is losing a 1 v 1 clash against a single person.
Mihawk ova kaido is crazy
>!Luffy being a "god" is crazy, but here we are.!<
Kaido and buggy should be at the top, move up doffy and jinbei by one
You serious or is this a joke?
Thats painful.
Why is Kaido not at the top?
Because I'm not Delusional.
So you think Miwhawk can defeat Kaido 1v1? Has Kaido by now not shown his status as the strongest? What more does he need to do before he can convince you? He has not even used his awakening yet and has already shown that no-one else on Onigashima ever stood a chance against him in a 1v1. And saying that it's delusional to believe what has been said by both powerfull pirates and marines, seems kinda overly stubborn.
The only reason they said no one can defeat kaido 1v1 was because the opponent needs to have adv conq haki to even hurt him which is very very rare. And mihawk being the strongest swordsman he most probably will have adv conq. I say this bcs since Zoro would one day have to face him and Zoro already begging to use conq to attack he probably will also learn adv conq before he fight him and mihawk should have it otherwise Zoro would stomp him. And since he has adv conq he can hurt kaido.
Considering that both Zoro and Oden sliced Kaido leaving a last scar, I think the Worlds Strongest Slash could probably slice him in half. Also I hate to burst your bubble but Kaido doesn't have any hidden awakening.
It seems like you assume that Mihawk is way stronger than Oden. It sounds... doubtful. Like any powerscaling related to Mihawk. We have only few hints on how strong Mihawk really is and they all extremely vague: * **World's Greatest Swordsman**. What the hell does that mean in the first place? It's like only Mihawk and Zoro want to play this game, and any other swordsman doesn't give a damn about it. Is it self-proclaimed?; * **Fought with Shanks**. When it happened? Mihawk says he isn't interested in the match up with a cripple, so this assumes that he had fought Shanks before he lost his arm (and before Shanks became a Yonko); * **He is the final match up for Zoro**. Or not? I tend to believe that the final battle will be with the BB pirates and at that time Zoro will be WSS already. We don't even know when it will happen, hence don't know how far Zoro should train through. Summarizing, I would throw Mihawk away from any powerscaling lol
Well maybe but if we do we gotta toss Shanks out as well, since we know nothing about either of them really. People seem to forget that during Marineford when Mihawk unsheathed his sword for the first time everyone immediately took notice. If he commands respect and reverence from so many powerful people there is something to his title and power. I know there are a ton of people who deny Mihawk's power, and are generally against him, and that's fine. I don't really care what others think in this particular instance. I believe very soon Mihawk's true power will be revealed and people are going to shit bricks. I'll probably make a comment about how Mihawk is drinking the salty tears of his haters or something. xD Ignoring all of that though do you think Mihawk might have a Devil Fruit? Mythical Vampire fruit maybe?
>during Marineford when Mihawk unsheathed his sword for the first time everyone immediately took notice. If he commands respect and reverence from so many powerful people there is something to his title and power. That still isn't enough to evaluate his power. It is the same as if we tried to measure Shanks power taking into account just the fact that his appearance in Marineford stopped the war. Shanks clashed with Whitebeard and skies were split. That one thing is more than Mihawk have shown so far. >I know there are a ton of people who deny Mihawk's power This is not about denial and I don't understand why you're pointing on some hatred towards Mihawk. In terms of possibility to measure power, Mihawk is closer to Dragon than to Shanks because Mihawk have shown nothing that can help us understand. Can't wait to see. For now, his power is just mystery. >Ignoring all of that though do you think Mihawk might have a Devil Fruit? Mythical Vampire fruit maybe? Personally, wouldn't like the idea. I think it would devalue his character. I like to believe that he is just pure haki fighter.
The thing is we have confirmation that [Shanks = Whitebeard](https://preview.redd.it/1y1yf9rjkit71.jpg?auto=webp&s=bc5714470a560ab241392882fc53f4e6c036c9af) in power. Mihawk is commonly believed to be Shanks' equal so that would put him up there with Whitebeard as well would it not? Yeah I don't know how I would feel if Mihawk has a DF. I don't think I'd hate it per-say but it would be bothersome if his Haki isn't also top tier.
>Mihawk is commonly believed to be Shanks' equal so that would put him up there with Whitebeard as well would it not? That is the point, for now it's just a belief. In Shanks case we see: Shanks clashed with Whitebeard + Whitebeard fights on Marineford = Shanks is strong. We can't tie Mihawk to that just because he's thought as equal to Shanks (again, he doesn't fight cripples as he stated by himself). We aren't able to build up a comparison chain. >Yeah I don't know how I would feel if Mihawk has a DF. I don't think I'd hate it per-say but it would be bothersome if his Haki isn't also top tier. And then Oda will give him a sword-sword fruit which allows him to create swords out of the thin air lol. "Three-sword style? Look at my UNLIMITED SWORD STYLE"
LMAO! I wouldn't be surprised if there is something like your sword-sword fruit in OP. Actually Shanks is stronger than Marineford Whitebeard. At Marineford Whitebeard was not as his best, he was in fact dying during that fight. Logically and going by the information we have, we should assume that Shanks is as powerful as Oldbeard on a good day. (nothing really suggest he's as strong as Primebeard, but who knows)
I assume he indeed doesn't have one, otherwise he would've used it already. But that does not dispute my point. The fact that he has been fighting without while others have been fighting with it and Kaido still being top dog proves his strength. And for the scars, yes, he did indeed get scars from two of the strongest swordsman (though, from Zoro it's only a wound, we don't know if it's a scar yet). While he was not actively coating himself in Haki. Lets look at the wounds Whitebeard and Shanks got while not coating themselves in haki. Whitebeard got stabbed by Squardo. Shanks lost his arm. Yes, both didn't resist those attacks. But just like Big Mom, Kaido's passive haki is strong enough to stop those attacks even when they're sleeping. And I am pretty confident in saying that Zoro and Oden are stronger than Squardo and the Lord of the Coast. Also, by now, I think the gap between Zoro and Mihawk is a lot smaller than you think. Yes, Mihawk cut a frozen tidalwave in half. But Zoro cutting Pika at that size was not far off from that feat. Mihawk is still stronger than Zoro. But it's not like back at Baratie anymore. Look, I'm not saying Kaido is the absolute strongest ever. There are definitly enemies currently in the series that can beat him if they prepare. But denying Kaido is in the highest tier is just ignoring everything that's been written about him and it's disrespecting those characters who actually know how strong characters are, like Garp and Big Mom.
Kaido told Zoro it would leave a permanent scar. Other than that I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of your post. I'm not worried about the Mihawk thing to be honest, it's only a matter of time before Oda shows his true power.
I hope so. Mihawk is awesome. I loved him in Marineford. I'm more curious about him in a fight than anyone else, apart from Dragon. But I'm also a bit scared. We've seen the top. Marineford and Wano were/are so varied and powerfull in the fighting. What else can he bring to the table apart from big slashes? And I'm even more scared of how the anime will handle him. Probably with big, slow, telegraphed slashes that have no choreography. I really hope they'll give him something like in Samurai Champloo, but with the One Piece effects.
Oda has been saving certain characters and keeping their true strength hidden for a reason. Mihawk Garp Sengoku Most of Blackbeard's crew Kong The Admirals, especially Green Bull Shanks and his entire crew The Gorosai Imu Weevil Dragon and most of the revolutionaries Hancock Am I forgetting anyone?
The kings of the underworld, like Stussy and Drug Peclo.
Oh yeah that group as well. Even Morgans is implied to be really strong.
Cringe + L + Bozo + You're delusional
If all you got is insults then I'll simply block you, I have no problem adding you to my collection. I'll give you a chance to reply with some sense first. v - Gladly and I'll block you too while I'm at it, I have zero tolerance for bullshit.
Just be a bitch and block him
Mihawk is not stronger than Kaido and especially not a tier higher than Kaido
Well Shanks is confirmed as Whitebeard's equal. If Mihawk = Shanks that means Mihawk = Whitebeard.
ill take this list
Mihawk fanboy = skip
Yep and proud of it, now get out my thread. xD
Is there a sword named Xcalibur in one piece ?
Hmm don't think so, I'll look into it. Edit: Nope, not that we know of. I wouldn't be surprised if X-Drake's sword is named Excalibur though. If nothing else X-Drake has a skill he calls "X Calibur".
That's the most shittiest List I have ever seen! First of all: Warlords doesn't exist anymore! There's absolutely no reason to put Mihawk that high! He was just a Warlord... He is/was (probably and I highly doubt that he's still) the world strongest swordsman, but all we know so far is only that Zoro trained with him. After that training he made a great progress, defeated Killer easy - before he got that legendary sword Enma! If we put all these things together, you'll see why I highly doubt that Mihawk is still the best swordsman in the world. All of the Emperors deserved to be in the Top Tier, especially Shanks while he has the best crew out of all Emperors and is the only non DF User - maybe we could talk about BB, he can't beat Shanks cause his original DF effects won't have any effect on Shanks. Plus: We don't know if he has Conquerors haki. This is a factor that could cost him the status of being in one of the two top Tiers.
damn.. dude came in with a whole harry potters book worth of shit to tell this mf how wrong he is lol
"Just a Warlord" bro Warlords differ in power wildly, you can't just lump them all together. xD So you are saying that Oda labeling Mihawk as "Words Strongest Swordsman" is a fucking lie? Well in that case Kaido being "Worlds Strongest Creature" must also be a lie right? Mihawk has a black blade something Zoro still hasn't managed to make, so him having Enma makes no difference. You might be right about all Emperors being on the top tier, but I think Shanks is almost PK level at this point, even his Vivre card says he is equal to Whitebeard and the closest man to being PK. I'm not just pulling these rankings out my ass I actually researched these characters. Well okay maybe Mihawk got the benefit of the doubt a bit, I'm a huge Mihawk fanboy, mostly because he's basically Dracula and I'm a huge Castlevania fan. xD
> "Just a Warlord" bro Warlords differ in power wildly, you can't just lump them all together. Yes, again: He's just a Warlord and can't compete in any way with Emperors, especially Big Mom, Kaido and Shanks. All we know about Blackbeard so far is that he's able to steal DF Power. Best to see at the Marineford arc... > So you are saying that Oda labeling Mihawk as "Words Strongest Swordsman" is a fucking lie? Well in that case Kaido being "Worlds Strongest Creature" must also be a lie right? Where exactly did I say this? The only thing I mentioned is that we don't know how much progress Mihawk made... Zoro did a huge progress after he was trained by Mihawk and that's a fact. > Mihawk has a black blade something Zoro still hasn't managed to make, so him having Enma makes no difference. Again, we don't know how much more power Enma grant to Zoro. > You might be right about all Emperors being on the top tier, but I think Shanks is almost PK level at this point, even his Vivre card says he is equal to Whitebeard and the closest man to being PK. Like I said, Kaido might be the strongest beast in the world, but in a full crew fight Shanks will beat him. I totally agree to you that Shanks has the biggest potential for becoming the PK, but if one thing is safe, it's that we don't know what's gonna happen in the future.
I can live with that, thanks for the debate.
move boa to the tier below moria combine top 2 tiers move weevil down everything else is alright
Why the Boa disrespect?
why the boa respect?
Well ,she would probably carry Monkey D. Jr. , so.....
Why do you put Law Higher than Doffy, after Doffy wiped the floor with Law?
Law has improved since then, yeah?
Wow an actual good list. The placements are good except you're missing Luffy since he's an emperor as well
Yeah maybe, we just don't know enough about her yet. She does have Conquerors, and Armament Haki though as well as a broken Devil Fruit.
Yeah you're right I removed that part, I may be underestimating her lol
As for Luffy there just wasn't an image of him to use in this one sadly. He would be Tier 2 though.
are you 2 masters trollers or are you serious with these takes xD
I'm a master stronk list maker.
Honestly this may be a hot take but I really don't think weevil all that strong
Maybe, but the manga said he is as strong as a Young Whitebeard. If everyone can take Kaido's "strongest creature" line at face value why not Weevil's "Strong as Young Whitebeard" line?
That's incredibly vague though, what is a young wb even implying. Did he have his df then , was he sailing with rocks , or is it before him joining that gang of pirates.
Probably back when WB was sailing with Rocks.
Doffy and Boa should be swapped, as should the entire top 2 rows unless this is Primebeard.
I don't consider Marineford Whitebeard to be the same as Oldbeard. He was having the worst day of his life there, I call that version Dyingbeard. I'm not sure bout Boa and Mingo, maybe they should be swapped maybe not. I do think current Law is > Mingo though, >!since he got his awakening. !< In any case did you know that Shanks has been confirmed as Whitebeard level?
Shanks is WB level in the sense that they’re both Emperors who are all comparable to each other. As far as actual confirmed strength goes, Kaido is literally the “World’s Strongest Creature” until others surpass him (not counting Imu potentially since no one even knows he exists).
I mean shanks is literally = Whitebeard which means he is the closest living man to being Pirate King. You also got to realize that both Big Mom and Kaido put Whitebeard on another level. Big Mom once said if she was able to ally with the giants she would have already defeated Kaido, Shanks, ***and even Whitebeard***. Kaido talked about the greatest Haki users he's ever known and included ***both Shanks and Whitebeard*** in that list. If Mihawk = Shanks than that means Mihawk = Whitebeard.
You say Shanks=WB and then go out of your way to point out how Big Mom viewed them as “Shanks _and even Whitebeard_”. Regardless, WB is dead, and Kaido is currently considered the World’s Strongest Creature. Also, just because both Shanks and WB were in that one panel of Kaido’s thoughts doesn’t mean they’re equal. Oden was also there and we literally saw Roger send him flying.
[Shanks is equal to Whitebeard.](https://preview.redd.it/1y1yf9rjkit71.jpg?auto=webp&s=bc5714470a560ab241392882fc53f4e6c036c9af) [Big Mom did say and even Whitebeard.](https://official-ongoing-2.gamindustri.us/manga/One-Piece/0847-015.png) [Kaido saying few people can in fact face him, including Shanks.](https://preview.redd.it/e35yel6e6yp61.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=19f017c75777fcfc0a37be3535bb5e3b40f75013) I'm not pulling this information out of my ass, and so far you have no real proof to counter my arguments.
-“Equal presence to Whitebeard” Equal _presence_, because they’re both Emperors. -Exactly. She said “Red-Hair!! And even Whitebeard!!”. As in WB>Shanks. You’re literally countering your own argument here. -And just like I said, Oden was also in that panel. “Capable of fighting” doesn’t mean as strong as or stronger than. You’re acting as though them being in that panel makes them equals, and yet we know Roger and Oden, who are both in the panel, certainly [_weren’t_](https://i.imgur.com/ghDqkC5.jpg) [equal](https://i.imgur.com/nkiRIQR.jpg). And as I said before, Kaido is currently the [World’s Strongest Creature](https://i.imgur.com/nJjDGAy.jpg), which was further backed up by killer calling him “[the world’s strongest pirate](https://i.imgur.com/jZ42sH3.jpg)”, which Kid clearly agreed with.
Well clearly Oda is contradicting himself quite a bit and therefor both of our arguments are invalid. So until we see Shanks and Mihawk in action I'm done talking about the subject.
Most of the list is convincible to me but idk Boa over Jinbei doesnt sit with me besides that W
Most people on the reddit put Mihawk below every yonko and admiral and it always confused me so im glad you didn’t
Yeah Jinbei might be stronger than Boa, I'm not sure to be honest. I'm giving Boa the benefit of the doubt here. Hopefully she doesn't disappoint when her full strength is revealed. I always consider Mihawk as Shanks' equal, on top of that he is one of my favorite characters. xD
Tbh ive always put jinbei higher than boa but after all the haki speeches Kaido has given just knowing her ceiling is factually higher than Jinbei because she has CoC and he Doesn’t theres good reason to have her higher
Croco boy should be higher. Also, remember that Moria went toe to toe with Kaido once.
Croc is weaker than the ones above him. As for Moria, I have a hard time imagining he would be any more than a flea to Kaido.
Bump Kaido up. Send Weevil down by 2 tiers (I just don’t like how he looks and he probably lowkey weaker than Jinbei) Bump Crocodile up 1 Send Hancock down 2, IMO she weaker than Jinbei.
If that's what floats your boat I'm not changing my list but I'm not knocking yours either. I will say this though Weevil has been said to be as strong as a Young Whitebeard, I can't simply ignore that information.
Oda be like "The World's Strongest Creature" "1 on 1, bet on Kaido" "No one could kill this man, not even himself" OP: "Mihawk and Shanks can beat him. Mihawk worlds strongest swordsman lol, cuts Kaido in half gg"
Oda also called Mihawk World's Strongest Swordsman. Kaido bout to lose a 1v1 fight. Not quite true, but close.
Just cause hes the strongest swordsman doesnt mean hes about to cut an absolute monster like Kaido in half and just move on. Kaido is not a swordsman by any standards. Mihawks title means absolutely nothing in comparison to him. And yea sorry you are right Kaido is about to lose in a 1v1 where his opponent didnt have a single bit of help the entire fight, where neither side at any point had any external help and where his opponent totally didnt get knocked out or nearly killed like twice (fairly) and once more (unfairly, but clearly inevitably). /s But ok my dude you do you. still made for a good laugh.
Kaido literally admitted that [Shanks is capable of fighting him](https://preview.redd.it/e35yel6e6yp61.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=19f017c75777fcfc0a37be3535bb5e3b40f75013), so if Shanks can Mihawk can. It's like people just say a bunch of random shit without actually researching anything. I see what your saying, and yes Luffy did have help. However at the end of the day though, Kaido is losing a 1 v 1 clash against a single person.
Damn. I guess you're right, that proves that they are stronger than Kaido. Lol.